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Title: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Welcome to Volume 3 of the Superior & Seattle Railroad Build Thread. Volume 2 was getting close to the 200 page limit so I decided to start volume 3.


Link to volume 2:


 http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=2650.0 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=2650.0)


Link to volume 1:


http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.0 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.0)


Index

Volume 3

Vol. 3  Page 1 -  Control Panel Construction for the Phase IV expansion.
Vol. 3  Page 2 -  Superior Yard Benchwork, track work and control panel construction.
Vol. 3  Page 15 - FSM Fox Run Milling build start continues until page 60
Vol. 3  Page 16 - FSM Swakhammer's Welding build start Continues until page 50
Vol. 3  Page 31 - Avram's Bakery build arrives on the S&S RR from Bob Butts
Vol. 3  Page 48 - Eagles's Nest Yard Control Panel build
Vol. 3  Page 50 - 2020 Build Challenge FSM 145 Coal Tower make it to the layout
Vol. 3  Page 52 - Brick Roundhouse build start (15 stalls in two buildings)
Vol. 3  Page 59 - Fox Run Milling makes it to the layout
Vol. 3  Page 61 - FSM G. Wiliker's build start
Vol. 3  Page 68 - Wayne Olson's boat builds
Vol. 3  Page 82 - Dan Raymond's vehicle builds arrive on the S&S RR
Vol. 3  Page 85 - Scale Rail Miniatures Whispering Falls Build Start
Vol. 3  Page 87 - Brick Roundhouse Final Workbench Pictures and the move to the layout
Vol. 3  Page 89 - Brick Roundhouse Installation on layout start
Vol. 3  Page 90 - Whispering Falls site plan start
Vol. 3  Page 94 - Layout plan drawing update
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 09:27:52 AM
As we start Volume 3 of this build thread I'm working on the electronics for the Phase IV expansion of the layout. There will be a total of four control panels for this large yard. I'm using the Barrett Hill Touch control switches to control the turnouts.


I'm also working on an update to my track plan and will be posting it along with an update to my layout at a glance page with all the new information about the layout.  This will be a project for the time I spend at the S&S RR Northern Headquarters. I just don't seem to take the time to do it when I can be working on the layout.


I'm also getting the workshop in order and will soon be starting a new build.  The beautiful yellow box for FSM's Fox Run Milling is on the workbench. I have six FSM kits, for The Eagles Nest Yard, and the SWRM Brick Roundhouse for the Superior Yard, next up on my build list.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on July 28, 2019, 02:14:23 PM
John,

You have been very busy as well my friend. I love the yard and control panel. Fantastic job sir. Looking forward to more.

Well done.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
John,

You have been very busy as well my friend. I love the yard and control panel. Fantastic job sir. Looking forward to more.

Well done.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the kind words and the inspiration.  Your build thread has been a constant source of inspiration over the years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 04:14:36 PM
The first control panel in Phase IV is powered. The track that it controls is the West Superior Yard which is visible above the panel in the picture. The moldings are all put in with screws, just in-case there are changes.  ;)   And also to remove them for staining and finishing.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719161138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
If you study the schematic you can see how the power districts are setup. There is a switch on the lefts side of the panel to turn each power district on and off.  The third column of switches is for controlling the power for the upper level in this area.  The future Phase V expansion.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 28, 2019, 05:18:43 PM
John, how long on average is a power district?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on July 28, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
Love it John....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on July 28, 2019, 06:07:12 PM
Nice looking panel John.  You will love the Barrett-Hill switches.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
John, how long on average is a power district?


dave


Dave


I broke up the layout into power districts based more on function than a particular length of track.  But to answer your question I picked an average power district in the yard and it was 40 feet of track.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 06:36:20 PM
Love it John....Dennis


Thank you Dennis.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
Nice looking panel John.  You will love the Barrett-Hill switches.


Thank you Steve.  So far I really like the way the Barrett-Hill switches are working and the ease of installation.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:33:54 PM
Here is a picture of the work area around the control panel.  All of the connection boards are mounted in the top of the cabinet, so I found another use for the cushions from my gazebo chairs. A laying down job - doesn't get any better than that.  I'll post a couple pictures of the connection boards while you can still see them. The wires and label tags will hide them before all the wiring is done.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719192022.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:42:27 PM
This is the junctions for the touch switches.  The wires you see are attached to the touch switches under the control panel surface.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191657.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
As you can see I label the incoming and out going wires and the connection point. All the labels come in handy when trouble shooting is required.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:47:45 PM
This is the connection board for the track power.  Only one power district is connected right now, number 105 which is the mainline for the helix. The last time you saw this it was on my workbench.  This is also mounted in the top of the cabinets so all I have to do is reach up to make the connections.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191604.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
Here is a zoomed out picture showing both connection boards.  Each of the control panels will have their own junction board for the touch switches.  All of the 12 volt power supplies will be plugged into this power strip.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191532.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 07:53:21 PM
Finally, for tonight, I cut the holes and started construction for two more control panels. I took a picture of the one in the hall way- it will control the turnouts in the South Yard - the second one is right beside the control panel that is finished and will control the North Yard turnouts (picture next time).




(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719191755.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 28, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
John, thanks for the 'average' - that gives me a good sense of how I might split my layout into Power Districts of a comparable size/complexity.  (probably 4, in my case :-) :-) )

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
John, thanks for the 'average' - that gives me a good sense of how I might split my layout into Power Districts of a comparable size/complexity.  (probably 4, in my case :-) :-) )

dave


Dave


I would say that the most important rule is any hidden areas need to be on their own power district.
Like inside Mountains and tunnels.  That is where the shorts will occur, manly because you can't see that pair of rail cutters you laid on the track when you were working in there,  and being able to isolate these areas can save hours trying to find a short. The other area is locomotive storage areas. I like to be able to shut off the sound to all the locomotives in a roundhouse with one switch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 29, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
... The other area is locomotive storage areas. I like to be able to shut off the sound to all the locomotives in a roundhouse with one switch.

That's a good point!  The big yard would be on its own block, but I'll add a separate block for the roundhouse.  (I'm years away from tackling the big yard/engine terminal...)

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Lynnb on July 30, 2019, 03:38:12 PM
Nice work on the wiring, I'm wondering if you have a separate schematic with all those numbered terminals. Personally I haven't touched my layout since building a couple large tressels, been trying to dedicate time to building structures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 30, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
Hey John:

Looks great. glad you know what you are doing. I'd be totally lost if I had to do that.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 30, 2019, 04:27:33 PM
Nice work on the wiring, I'm wondering if you have a separate schematic with all those numbered terminals. Personally I haven't touched my layout since building a couple large tressels, been trying to dedicate time to building structures.


Lynn



Thank you for the kind words.  Yes- I do have multiple layers of schematics.  It is just layers in the CAD drawings. I print what I want on the hardcopy to work with.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 30, 2019, 04:29:36 PM
Hey John:

Looks great. glad you know what you are doing. I'd be totally lost if I had to do that.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - we need to get you started with wiring by lighting up those beautiful structures of yours.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
Update:  I took an unscheduled trip up to the Northern Headquarters of the S&S RR to check for storm damage. After two days of moving trees everything is cleaned up.  I did spend a couple hours on my design work last night and found a turnout on the track pictures that wasn't on my schematic for the next control panel.  Perfect time to find it. :-[  I will be printing a new copy of the schematic before assembling the next control panel.  Tomorrow, I will be cleaning up the tree that feel in my yard while I was gone, before I can get to work on the railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 01, 2019, 03:47:21 PM
It's a great day for working in the gazebo! I'm putting the control panel touch screens together for two more control panels. Really enjoying the beautiful weather. Sunny 70's and low humidity - it just doesn't get any better. It sounds like we are going to have this same weather the next few days so layout work will be limited to the projects that I can do outside. I have plenty of them - keep this weather going.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010819154326.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 02, 2019, 08:19:57 AM
Wow John,  You did a Beautiful Job. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on August 02, 2019, 09:12:14 AM
Looks great, John.  How are you going to attach it so it can be removable in case of repair?

Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2019, 09:29:32 AM
Wow John,  You did a Beautiful Job. Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Looks great, John.  How are you going to attach it so it can be removable in case of repair?

Jeff


Jeff


Thank you for the kind words.  The foam boards are held in the control panel with moldings which are attached with screws. The wiring is all accessible from the back of the panel.  I could actually replace most of the touch control switches from the back.  Some of them are behind bracing which would require removal of the panel from the front. See picture below.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280719161138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2019, 10:35:38 PM
Tonight, we have power to the second of four control panels for the Superior Yard. Tomorrow, I will trim this control panel out and start on number three.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020819223320.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dave K. on August 03, 2019, 07:25:52 AM
Woo-hoo! Like a Christmas tree!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 03, 2019, 09:47:15 AM
Hey John:

Great looking control panels.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
Woo-hoo! Like a Christmas tree!


Dave


I hope it's done in time for Christmas. ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 03, 2019, 01:11:02 PM
Really nice job John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 03, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
Very nice, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 04:41:10 PM
Hey John:

Great looking control panels.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - I'm excited to run some trains and use them. I have a lot of wires to connect to make that happen.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
Really nice job John.


Curt



Thank you for following along, and the kind words. I'm making a little progress every day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on August 03, 2019, 06:59:38 PM
Been following along.  Beautiful work on the control panels!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 07:29:18 PM
Been following along.  Beautiful work on the control panels!


Mark


Thank you for following along and the kind words. Wiring is not a fast process, at least not for me. I have a ways to go yet on this but I'm happy with the results so far.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
Update: It looks like I'm going to add a fifth control panel to the Superior Yard.  I original was going to have the controls for the reversing loop, the helix and the roundhouse mounted right on the wall next to the roundhouse. After thinking about operations it would be nice to be able to control these turnouts from three locations: the main control panel at the Eagles Nest Yard, the control panel for the Superior Yard, and right near the roundhouse.  So I'm going to try a Barrett Hill device that allows three different touch switches to control a single turnout.  If you throw the turnout with any one of the three touch switches the lights sync to indicate the direction that the turnout is thrown.  Stay tuned I will let you know how it works.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 04, 2019, 08:49:05 AM
John I would have been lost on the second wire.  Your work is so neat and clean amazing job.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2019, 04:26:16 PM
John I would have been lost on the second wire.  Your work is so neat and clean amazing job.

Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words. The CEO keeps asking when I'm going to be ready to clean the basement and get rid of all the saw dust. ;) 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2019, 09:25:15 PM
Update: Today, I spent the day installing tortoise machines and wiring them to the control panel.  Not a lot to take pictures of, but one of those jobs that has to be done to get the railroad working.  I think installing tortoise machines and drop wires for the track power is going to consume most of my train time this week.  I'm at the point with this new expansion that I want to push to get everything running.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2019, 07:47:08 AM
I cut the oak plywood facia boards for the Superior Yard, yesterday.  The plywood and molds are ready for staining.  Also, 15 of the 52 Tortoise Machines are install and tested.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070819074400.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 07, 2019, 11:30:16 AM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2019, 09:28:51 PM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I'm moving along at my pace - it's what us retired guys do.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 08, 2019, 12:07:53 AM
No cup holders?  I thought all you Detroit auto designers included cup holders!   :) ;) :D ;D


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2019, 07:07:09 AM
No cup holders?  I thought all you Detroit auto designers included cup holders!   :) ;) :D ;D


dave


Dave


The bar is just on the other side of the room. Away from all that expensive electronics.  ;) ;D  Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Update:  Today, I decided to stain all of the moldings and plywood facia  pieces.  It was a beautiful day here so I spent most of the day in the garage rather than in the basement.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 10, 2019, 06:31:33 AM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I'm moving along at my pace - it's what us retired guys do.


Every day is Saturday except on Sunday.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2019, 09:23:25 AM
John,

Hey, those control panels look fantastic. Great job on them my friend. You are moving along faster than me.

Looks great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I'm moving along at my pace - it's what us retired guys do.


Every day is Saturday except on Sunday.  8)






Amen
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2019, 08:10:53 PM
Update:  Today, I finished the plywood facias and moldings - two coats of Satin Polyurethane. They will be spending the night in the garage drying. I brought one board in to do a color check and I think we did a good job of matching the cabinets. I also, installed another group of tortoise machines number 20 of 53 required for the Superior Yard. I have one more to complete everything in the North Yard. I will try to remember to take a picture of the wiring and under the benchwork before I start adding the facia boards.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:01:15 PM
Here are a few pictures of the under the benchwork stuff - before I close up the benchwork with the facia boards. After the facia boards go on the natural light will be gone so it will be all flashlight work.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175441.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
The Barrett Hill Direct Base boards. all wired up for the North Yard Control Panel.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175556.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:05:00 PM
The tree empty spots are for the three way controls for the turntable area. That control panel is on my workbench waiting for the frame to dry.







Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:05:52 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175628.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175658.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
Finally, here is a picture of the North Yard Control Panel.  I'm about to take the molding off so I can stain and finish them. I have one change - I'm going to replace the .093 thickness Lexon with .06 thickness.  The toggles work but I'm having to work at it under certain light conditions.  Workbench tests have shown that this will fix the issue.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110819175529.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 11, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
John, Very impressive. Touch the light toggle and boom it turns the switch to that track. Love it..Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 08:28:47 PM
John, Very impressive. Touch the light toggle and boom it turns the switch to that track. Love it..Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along.  Yes - some technology really is cool.  I think I'm going to like this control system.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 11, 2019, 08:39:25 PM
Very nice job John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 11, 2019, 08:43:26 PM
John, Are they the double light toggle switches? Red & green or Green & green????

Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 08:45:33 PM
Very nice job John.


Curt


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2019, 08:47:07 PM
John, Are they the double light toggle switches? Red & green or Green & green? ???

Dennis




Dennis


They are all double light toggle switches Red and Green - LED indicates turnout setting on the control panel. It makes it very easy to select your route.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 11, 2019, 08:50:21 PM
John, Thank you sir...  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 12, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
Hey John:

everything is looking just great. Love the cabinetry.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
Hey John:

everything is looking just great. Love the cabinetry.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for stopping by. I'm staining the parts for the control panels today. Also, started adding the facia boards and the moldings. I had to order more wire :o .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2019, 08:59:42 PM
Here is a progress picture of the facia and molding installation.  I keep moving back and forth between cabinets and wiring.   ;) 


The facia will have a number things mounted to it: outlets for the throttles, throttle holsters, car card racks, and maybe even a cup holder to keep Dave happy.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120819204145.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2019, 09:06:24 PM
If you look in the hallway you can see the drawers have been removed and the cupboard doors  are open so I can install the tortoise machines for the South Superior Yard. I received my wire order late this afternoon so I can wire them as soon as I install them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on August 13, 2019, 05:18:20 AM
John, This is an amazing project...like watching construction in a museum. Very impressive.


John

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 13, 2019, 08:23:17 AM
True story:  I worked for the US research lab of the huge German conglomerate Siemens (think 'GE, only richer').  We had this poster taped to one of our computers.  Some Germans came over to visit our lab, one looked at this and asked his escort to explain it.  "But that is not right!  We do not say that!" 

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:01:02 PM
John, This is an amazing project...like watching construction in a museum. Very impressive.


John


Thank you for stopping by an the kind words I have been playing electrician all day. More lights and powered turnouts to show for my efforts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:05:10 PM
True story:  I worked for the US research lab of the huge German conglomerate Siemens (think 'GE, only richer').  We had this poster taped to one of our computers.  Some Germans came over to visit our lab, one looked at this and asked his escort to explain it.  "But that is not right!  We do not say that!" 

dave


Great sign. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Test post from my iPad with a picture.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
I spoke to soon - just tried a post and got the error?

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 05:22:36 PM
Now it works again - computers???
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:39:37 PM
Today, I finished the third control panel for the Superior Yard. I also tested the multi-input devices by Barrett Hill. The multi-input devices allow three different touch toggle switches to control one turnout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:43:41 PM
In this picture you can see the new control panel for the reversing loop and Superior by pass, along with the future roundhouse and turntable. For ease of operations I want to be able to control these turnouts from three locations. The first is here at the control center for the Superior Yard.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:46:07 PM
The second location will be a control panel on the facia below the turntable and roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
The third will be on the facia near the control panel for the Eagles Nest Yard.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:50:37 PM
Controlling the turnouts from three different locations is made possible by the little device shown in the top right hand corner of this picture.
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 07:57:58 PM
Each of the three devices in the picture will control one of the turnouts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 08:00:31 PM

Here is a picture when I toggled the middle touch switch - all three switches indicate that the turnout is in the red location.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 08:03:40 PM
There will be 20 feet separating the first to control panels and 60 feet between this Superior Yard control panel and the Eagles Nest Yard control panel.  I will update this topic once I have the other two control panels installed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2019, 08:43:24 PM
Finally for tonight, I have the parts on the workbench for the fourth control panel for the South Superior Yard. Twelve more tortoise machines to connect for your model railroading pleasure. ;) 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on August 13, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
John,

Love how you stained the panels to match the oak cabinets!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 14, 2019, 07:51:38 AM
John,

Love how you stained the panels to match the oak cabinets!


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 14, 2019, 10:37:13 AM
John, Very impressive , Since my accident, You and many modelers, here is Just a little sample (Tom, Karl, Steve,Jim,Reading Bob, George and Curt, And many more)are the reason so many people are staying with the hobby and joining each and every day!!!!!!!! Me for one and I'm sure theirs lots more? I almost gave it up because of life changing status in the last year........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2019, 07:37:57 AM
Dennis


Thanks for stopping by the thread and following along with my modeling journey.  I hope you decide to stick with your modeling and that it helps you recover from that horrible accident that you and your wife are recovering from.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 16, 2019, 07:51:48 AM
THANK YOU JOHN, FOR ALL THE KIND WORDS AND THINGS YOU DO...............Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 17, 2019, 05:44:43 PM
Update: Today, I installed tortoise machine number 30 of 58 for the layout expansion.  I also reassembled the three control panels that I have finished, after staining, and got a long ways towards finishing the fourth and fifty control panels.  I will try to post some pictures, tomorrow. I mentioned that I ordered some .06 Lexon plexiglass for the control panels to replace the .093 material about a week ago.  This was the way to go. The touch controls work much better and it is much easier to work with.  I cut it with tin snips with no problems. Don't try this with the cheaper Lexon "like" plexiglass materials. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 17, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
John:

All looks great. Especially love the photo with all the ore cars.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 18, 2019, 12:54:26 PM
John:

All looks great. Especially love the photo with all the ore cars.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the kind words and stopping by this build thread. As soon as I get this expansion operational (this winter), I plan on getting all the rolling stock out that I've acquired over the years, running things up, and taking inventory. It's going to be fun to fill up a few of the tracks in Superior Yard with rolling stock.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 18, 2019, 08:22:15 PM
Update: Today, I pulled the wires for the DCC system - two 40 foot J-12 wires got me into the new area. I'm trying to get away with one more booster for the radio control system. There will be a plug in location every twelve feet along the facia. Also made the pieces for the fifth control panel and cut and installed more moldings. Tomorrow, I will get back at the tortoise machine installations and start the drops for the track power. Sorry, no pictures today, I was on a roll and didn't take time to get the camera out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 19, 2019, 07:30:38 PM
Tonight, we have a real progress photograph, I didn't even clean up the tools. Today,  I installed the 12 tortoise machines under the South Superior Yard, and started wiring them to the control panel.  To the right you can see the three completed control panels.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on August 19, 2019, 07:45:51 PM
Not only is your modeling great , your benchwork looks like a professional furniture maker made it , museum quality.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 19, 2019, 08:54:59 PM
Beautiful John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on August 19, 2019, 10:02:04 PM
Awesome John.  Keep up the good work.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 19, 2019, 11:02:22 PM
Holy sh*t Batman can we ever get through this maze??

John you lost me after the first wire.  Your wiring expertise is amazing!!

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 20, 2019, 07:23:31 AM
Great job John.......Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:46:46 AM
Not only is your modeling great , your benchwork looks like a professional furniture maker made it , museum quality.


Jan


Thank you for the kind words - I'm trying to make the railroad blend into the living space in this room.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:47:07 AM
Beautiful John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:47:37 AM
Awesome John.  Keep up the good work.

Jim


Thank you Jim.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:51:12 AM
Holy sh*t Batman can we ever get through this maze??

John you lost me after the first wire.  Your wiring expertise is amazing!!

Jerry


Jerry


I hope the control panels make it simple to operate.  I do have some hours into them. :o  I plan on having a group over this fall/winter for a test run.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 07:52:14 AM
Great job John.......Dennis


Thank you Dennis.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 09:47:47 PM
Update: Well, today I finished the fourth control panel.  I decided to take another picture from the same angle as the one from yesterday.  The facia is on the front and the moldings are about 70 percent. I have all of the tortoise machines installed and running in the South Superior Yard,  the North Superior Yard, and the East Superior Yard.  I'm at 44 of the 54 turnouts for the complete Superior Yard. Ten more to go in the West Superior Yard. ;D  I will then start the drop wires and getting power to the tracks. It's getting closer. ::)  So I've had a yellow box sitting on my workbench for 3 weeks now.  Maybe another week and we can open it up and get started.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 09:51:06 PM
I think I will add a molding around the hole in the wall until I can build the structure that is planned for there.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Blazeman on August 21, 2019, 07:58:05 AM
I don't know what words to use to convey how impressed I am.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 21, 2019, 08:21:19 AM
I think I will add a molding around the hole in the wall until I can build the structure that is planned for there.


Or design and (color) print a building flat over the opening... 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 21, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
hey John:

what can I say but just beautiful.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2019, 08:34:01 PM
I don't know what words to use to convey how impressed I am.


Thank you for following along and your kind comments.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2019, 08:37:58 PM
I think I will add a molding around the hole in the wall until I can build the structure that is planned for there.


Or design and (color) print a building flat over the opening... 


dave


Dave


I will come up with something  - I have some ideas floating around.  On the hallway side of the wall there will be only one level. On the other side there will be a second level.  I'm thinking about an over the tracks tower but haven't come up with a background yet. For now I need to hide the ugly hole.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2019, 08:38:53 PM
hey John:

what can I say but just beautiful.

Karl


Thank you, buddy.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on August 22, 2019, 06:16:12 AM
Really really BIG work! Looks like a museum. Great work...sorry i won't be joining you at the NNGC. Have a great time.


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 22, 2019, 08:07:16 AM
Really really BIG work! Looks like a museum. Great work...sorry i won't be joining you at the NNGC. Have a great time.


John


Thank you for the kind words. The upper level in this area will be dual gauge.  The mines that I will be modeling were serviced by both standard and Narrow gauge lines. We are a few years away from that expansion. ;)

Sorry we will not be able to go look at some great layouts together, this year.  CA is long trip - I have my oldest daughter out there so we are making it a dual purpose trip. As always, I will take some pictures.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 23, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
Operations on the S&S RR have been halted while we move my daughter and her family.  We had a big surprise when we unloaded the first trailer load at the new house. There was a brand new Thomas the Tank layout table in my trailer for my Grandson's new bedroom. I asked him to help me unload the last few things out of the trailer so he could find it. Great fun!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on August 24, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
John,

It is so cool to see a little one's eyes light up with joy.  He'll always cherish these train memories with grandpa.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 27, 2019, 10:13:03 PM
John,

It is so cool to see a little one's eyes light up with joy.  He'll always cherish these train memories with grandpa.


Jerry


I couldn't agree more.  Absolutely, the best part of the hobby.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2019, 09:10:56 PM
Update:  I got some more wiring done and started adding the NCE throttle control lines.  I will have both wireless and hard wire capability in the new section - same as the rest of the layout. I will be adding drop lines from each section of track and adding the main bus lines over the next few weeks as time permits.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:36:49 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:38:56 AM
I updated the layout diagram for the Superior & Seattle Railroad to the latest track plan. 
The picture above gives an overall view of the layout. Each of the numbers in the blue boxes is a track power block. 
The different colors represent DCC power districts.
The turnouts are also numbered - the small red numbers.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
I will post some blowups of different sections of the layout diagram in the coming days,  for reference. I'm also working on a layout at a glance page.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on September 04, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
John, That is incredible workmanship. Very impressed by your work..........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 04, 2019, 10:43:18 PM
John, That is incredible workmanship. Very impressed by your work..........Dennis


Dennis


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2019, 07:38:48 PM
The next three pictures are the blow-up pictures of the layout diagram.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2019, 07:44:02 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 10, 2019, 01:07:28 AM
I am back from the Narrow Gauge Convention - the team in Sacramento did a nice job. I had a good time, met some new model railroading friends, saw some great layouts, and attended a number of new clinics.  I came back ready to go back to work on the S&S RR. After I recover from spending a whole day in airports and airplanes I will be getting right at it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 12, 2019, 01:22:02 PM
Update: I'm back at the wiring for the new phase of the layout. I have about 8 tortoise machines to install then it will be on to the drops and track wiring. I'm excited about getting  back into the structure building, I hope to get the lid off that yellow box that has been sitting on my workbench for the past month, this weekend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 13, 2019, 07:50:25 PM
Today, I finished the fifth control panel for the Phase IV expansion of the S&S RR.  This is a duplicate panel that is directly below the turntable and roundhouse.  The three turnouts that control access to the turnout, routing to the reversing loop or entrance into the Superior yard will be controlled from three places. The main control panel for Superior Yard, this local control panel, and a yet to be installed panel next to the main control panel for the Eagles Nest Yard.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 13, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Here is a picture of the sister control panel next to the main control panel for the Superior Yard.



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 13, 2019, 07:54:26 PM
Notice the air hose for the air nailer on top of the benchwork.  As I complete the drops for the track power in an area, the facia and moldings are going on. ;D ;D  Getting close to building structures again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 15, 2019, 10:00:45 AM
Update:  I spent most of the day, yesterday, running wires and checking voltages.  Getting ready to hook the drop wires to the main bus wires.  I'm in the final push to get this section of the layout running. ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 15, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
Very professional looking control panels.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 15, 2019, 09:53:08 PM
Very professional looking control panels.


Curt


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 16, 2019, 08:41:26 AM
John,

Kudos for your awesome controls and beautiful oak cabinets and trim.  Wiring is my least favorite part of the hobby, better you than me planning and wiring these panels.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2019, 03:18:38 PM
John,

Kudos for your awesome controls and beautiful oak cabinets and trim.  Wiring is my least favorite part of the hobby, better you than me planning and wiring these panels.


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words.  Wiring is not my favorite part of the hobby, either.  Especially when I spend hours finding a short.  Yesterday, I had a short that I thought was in the new section that I'm wiring - but it turned out to be a passenger car on the old part of the layout. :-[
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on September 16, 2019, 03:34:53 PM
John,

It all looks just fantastic. The control yard panels are wonderful. Great stuff my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2019, 07:17:59 PM
John,

It all looks just fantastic. The control yard panels are wonderful. Great stuff my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2019, 07:23:23 PM
Today, was a very special day on the Superior & Seattle Railroad.  Wayne Olson returned to help me work on the layout after almost 5 months.  He is recovering from a broken hip and femur from a fall from a ladder.  I left everything in place where he was working on painting some rock work last may.  I think he got a kick out of it all being there waiting for him.  Anyway, good to have you back Wayne.  I solved a shorting problem that I was having yesterday and made some more progress on the wiring.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on September 17, 2019, 07:47:06 AM
Hey John:

Everything you do to the layout is just fantastic. I love the pictures. Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he is feeling better.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2019, 08:55:34 AM
Hey John:

Everything you do to the layout is just fantastic. I love the pictures. Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope he is feeling better.

Karl


Karl


Thank you my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 19, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
I found a great place to mount the frog juicer control panels under the layout.  The cabinets under the main control panels are sink base cabinets with "pop off" panels on the front.  So I'm mounting the juicer panels so they can be seen for maintenance or trouble shooting by "popping off"  the cabinet panels.  I have two mounted so far.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 19, 2019, 01:25:33 PM
The area up under the control panels is sure getting full of wires.  I will take a picture when everything is in and hooked up.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 20, 2019, 06:31:27 AM
John,

Not only is the oak cabinetry beautiful, the pop off panels is a great idea that anyone can use on their layout.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on September 20, 2019, 12:42:14 PM
Very Very cool. The pop-off panels are just another level of clever. Seriously museum-grade top to bottom!


I will be in St. Louis-no matter what! ;)


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2019, 03:51:48 PM
John,

Not only is the oak cabinetry beautiful, the pop off panels is a great idea that anyone can use on their layout.  Thanks for sharing.


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2019, 08:33:42 PM
Very Very cool. The pop-off panels are just another level of clever. Seriously museum-grade top to bottom!


I will be in St. Louis-no matter what! ;)


John


John



Thank you for the kind words. I hope to see you in St. Louis.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 24, 2019, 07:50:36 PM
I managed to get some testing done today.  I took my worst running locomotive and tested it through the turnouts using the frog juicer circuits.  I bought two - six frog boards to start with - to do a test before making the financial commitment to buy enough boards for the entire expansion.  Well the testing went great - I ran the locomotive as slow as it would go and it went through the turnouts without hesitation. I should mention again that the turnouts on this section of the layout are all Peco electro frog.  Based on what I saw today Tammy Valley got an order for six more hex boards which will give me enough for this expansion.  I got a feeling that I will be replacing some turnouts on my layout with the same setup.  I have a few places where I'm not happy with the running performance through turnouts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2019, 09:24:58 AM
Update:  The frog juicer boards arrived along with all the other supplies I needed to finish the wiring of the layout expansion. So, that's what I will be doing during my layout build time the next few weeks. I decided to wait to start some structure builds until I get this expansion complete - I want to get all the rolling stock and locomotives out of storage this winter.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on September 28, 2019, 01:19:15 PM
Hey John:

very nicely done. WOW you can even take a nap.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2019, 07:17:02 PM
Hey John:

very nicely done. WOW you can even take a nap.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the compliments. I finished up the connections to the main control panel today, so my nap spot will need to be moved.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2019, 08:31:39 PM
Today, I installed and powered up the 6 new Frog Juicier boards bringing the total up to 8.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2019, 08:34:45 PM
I also finished pulling and powering all the wires for the power blocks. Here is a couple pictures of the wiring connections under the main control panel.  Now - I need to complete all of the drops from the tracks and make the connections with suitcase connectors. Starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel on this project.   ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280919202426.jpeg)


It's hard to take an overall picture under the control panel with my iPhone so I took two and I think you can see where they go together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2019, 08:37:49 PM
The extra power blocks are for the upper level - Phase V.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on September 29, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
Wow!  All of the boards looks like you can operate a Space Shuttle!  Amazing work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on September 30, 2019, 07:47:52 AM
John,

Even with all the numbered terminal strips I have no idea how you keep from going crazy trying to keep everything straight.  What an undertaking.  All I can say is, better you than me, brother. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 30, 2019, 08:17:47 AM
Wow!  All of the boards looks like you can operate a Space Shuttle!  Amazing work.


Mark


Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words.  Like the Space Shuttle it's one circuit at a time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 30, 2019, 08:21:41 AM
John,

Even with all the numbered terminal strips I have no idea how you keep from going crazy trying to keep everything straight.  What an undertaking.  All I can say is, better you than me, brother.


Jerry


Thank you for following along - I'm fine with the wiring until one circuit starts talking to the other or I get a short, then it drives me crazy figuring out what went wrong. I'm at the point with this project that I want to get it done and move on to structure building. I have spent a lot of time pulling and connecting wires this summer.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on September 30, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
John,
I think that you have done a fine job of wiring.  I know it looks complicated, but you have labeled everything to make it easier to follow..

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 30, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
John,
I think that you have done a fine job of wiring.  I know it looks complicated, but you have labeled everything to make it easier to follow..

Jim


Jim


Thank you for the complement, it looks complicated because there are so many circuits but each circuit is pretty simple. You have to label everything or one day you're going to reach into the cabinet to adjust a tortoise machine and have a half dozen loose wires to trace to get everything working again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on October 01, 2019, 06:10:53 AM
When "civilians" peek in and see my layout, they say "oh, how neat" or "that's cute". When someone unexpectedly sees John's, they back out slowly as if they stumbled into a bomb factory or a secret CIA/NASA satellite tracking station ;D


Amazing stuff!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2019, 04:34:57 PM
When "civilians" peek in and see my layout, they say "oh, how neat" or "that's cute". When someone unexpectedly sees John's, they back out slowly as if they stumbled into a bomb factory or a secret CIA/NASA satellite tracking station ;D


Amazing stuff!


John


Thanks John. Today, I'm playing Houston we have a problem :o . Some how my frog juicer is juicing more than the frog - I spent the last hour with a continuity detector trying to figure out how that is happening. Stay tuned for further updates.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 02, 2019, 04:09:25 PM
Update: Well I think I have solved my frog juicer problem.  I was powering the frog juicers off the main leads for my power districts.  I switched to powering them off the leads for each power block. The problem was the power was feeding back and jumping my block power switches.  If you go back a few pages you can find a diagram that shows the power districts - for phase IV I have two - districts G and I.  The power blocks are labeled 105 - 125 for Phase IV and have a I or G as the last character. I will know for sure that I have solved the problem when I have all of the frog juicers wired up and operational. I need to get into the frog juicer circuits deeper before I start with frog juicers for the first three phases of the layout.  The joys of wiring.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 04, 2019, 01:09:03 PM
Update:  I'm adding the power drops and then hooking up each of the power blocks with suitcase connectors.  The first three went great. Then on the forth I have a short before I started adding drops - so I'm tracing wires and inspecting track. This is where wiring takes a lot of time. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on October 04, 2019, 07:37:39 PM
Hey John:

Looks beautiful as always.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 04, 2019, 07:50:38 PM
Hey John:

Looks beautiful as always.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - about 2 PM this afternoon I was ready to tear the whole thing out looking for a short.  It turns out that the short was not in the new section of the layout but in a passenger car sitting in the Eagles Nest Yard.  I found it by working backwards to the main control panel and then shutting off switches until I isolated the power block, in this case a single siding. This is the second passenger car with the old (25 years plus) lighting systems that I have had short out the layout. At some point I will tear it apart and figure out what went wrong.  For now, they have all been removed from the layout.  I wired up two more power blocks this afternoon after wasting about 4 hours trying to figure out what was happening with the short. If I didn't have the layout broken up in to switchable power blocks It would have been days before I found this problem.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 06, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Update: Today, I reached the half way point on wiring all of the track power blocks. I have gone through over a hundred suitcase connectors and just had to order some more drop wire. I'm going to take a little break  and go do some fishing.  I hope to come back all ready to finish up the wiring project and get this section of the layout working.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2019, 09:23:22 PM
Update: I just returned from a fishing trip and will be back working on the layout in the morning.  I spent a few hours in the evenings editing photographs from Frank Bakers videos from our 2016 photo shoot of George Sellios' F&SM railroad.  I will be posting these new photographs in the F&SM section of the forum. I'm really enjoying reliving our photo shoot and being inspired once again by the F&SM.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on October 10, 2019, 07:48:04 AM
Hey John:

Glad you found the problem.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 10, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
Hey John:

Glad you found the problem.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for stopping by - a few more grey hairs but another wiring problem solved.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 12, 2019, 01:34:27 PM
Update: The wiring of the North Yard is now complete. ;D  I'm working on the drops for the South Yard - once the South Yard is complete it will be time for testing. I'm looking forward to completing all this wiring and getting back to structure building and scenery.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 13, 2019, 09:27:02 PM
Update: Today, was a big day on the S&S RR.  The wiring of the expansion is done!  I now start the testing phase - which will probably result in a drop or two having to be added but we can run trains in the new section. I ran a locomotive through the reversing wye before calling it quits for the day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on October 13, 2019, 09:57:13 PM
Well done Sir!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 16, 2019, 10:49:51 AM
Well done Sir!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 18, 2019, 06:06:49 PM
The Phase IV expansion - Superior Yard - got a good workout from one of our younger Engineers, yesterday.  Seeing my Grandson work the trains through the different track routings made taking the summer to build it, worth the time it took. We have a couple places that need a little work to get power to the locomotives, but we didn't have any derailments. Great test. A three year old routed the trains through the yards with the touch screen control panels.  And we learned how to read the words horn, and bell, so we knew which buttons to push.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181019174821.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: madharry on October 18, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
Love it waiting for my grandson Jack to grow up to be able to control DCC..............lovely John. He is only two next month.............
Mike ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: FandSM Engineer on October 18, 2019, 06:11:09 PM
The Phase IV expansion - Superior Yard - got a good workout from one of our younger Engineers, yesterday.  Seeing my Grandson work the trains through the different track routings made taking the summer to build it, worth the time it took. We have a couple places that need a little work to get power to the locomotives, but we didn't have any derailments. Great test. A three year old routed the trains through the yards with the touch screen control panels.  And we learned how to read the words horn, and bell, so we knew which buttons to push.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181019174821.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 18, 2019, 06:25:00 PM
That's great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: FandSM Engineer on October 18, 2019, 08:21:02 PM
Love it waiting for my grandson Jack to grow up to be able to control DCC..............lovely John. He is only two next month.............
Mike ;)

Mike

The Grandkids enjoying the layout is a lot of fun for me.  His sister is 1 and already likes to watch the trains. If your grandson is 2 he will be able to use "the remote" in about another year. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: pbltrains on October 19, 2019, 01:44:47 AM
John,

Great to see you getting your grandson interested in the layout.  Hopefully he will continue to enjoy running grandpa's trains.

Seth P.
Minnesota
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2019, 09:48:11 AM
John,

Great to see you getting your grandson interested in the layout.  Hopefully he will continue to enjoy running grandpa's trains.

Seth P.
Minnesota


Seth


Thank you for stopping by the thread. The kids sure enjoy the trains now - I too hope it lasts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on October 19, 2019, 09:58:43 AM
John that's a fine looking engineer you have there!


Hope he keeps wanting to play with trains.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2019, 12:50:36 PM
John that's a fine looking engineer you have there!


Hope he keeps wanting to play with trains.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on October 19, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
John,

Great picture with a "Little John" at the throttle.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2019, 09:12:45 PM
John,

Great picture with a "Little John" at the throttle.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you,  I sure enjoy running trains with him.  He sure has the interest, now. We will see when he gets older.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 20, 2019, 09:12:28 AM
Update: I'm working on cleaning my work area, so I can start building structures again. I have some track work and wiring issues to clean up and the layout expansion will be complete. ;D I'm sure there will be a few turnouts to add and a few track moves as the new area gets a good testing. I  will spend a few months running trains and testing the new area before I paint and weather the track and add some scenery.  I have about 8 structures planned for this area.  The first will be a large brick roundhouse. Then, water towers, signal towers, a maintenance area, and a few locomotive storage sheds.

So the goal for this week is to get the lid off one of those wonderful yellow boxes. Fox Run is the next build on my list. It will share the same base board with the Foundry build I did for the winter challenge last year. First, I must find my workshop.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on October 20, 2019, 12:36:12 PM
We cant wait John. I'm trying to get everything I need to build the roundhouse and Engine repair shop. I'm buying all the little things I need so I'm not struggling at the last minute......Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on October 20, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
John,

Really looking forward to the upcoming Fox Run build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2019, 07:54:08 AM
We cant wait John. I'm trying to get everything I need to build the roundhouse and Engine repair shop. I'm buying all the little things I need so I'm not struggling at the last minute......Dennis


Dennis


I'm looking forward to your builds, too. I spent some time yesterday, getting my workshop organized. My plan is to have three builds going at the same time so I can keep moving as the glue or paint is drying. It's just the way I like to build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2019, 07:58:22 AM
John,

Really looking forward to the upcoming Fox Run build.


Jerry


Thank you for stopping by the thread.  I'm going to get started as soon as the workshop is organized. I have some track work projects to fill in the time I'm waiting for the glue and paint to dry for the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:08:08 PM
Today, the covers came off  two yellow boxes the next two builds on the S&S RR. Fox Run will be the first followed by Swakhammer's Welding.  My SOP is to have three builds going at the same time but for now I will have these two plus the cleanup work on the Phase IV expansion. I also have some track changes that I want to make in the Eagles Nest Yard and in the Town of Sellios. So track work will serve as my third build for the next few weeks. I will be posting update pictures as these builds progress.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-251019210022.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
I found a welding simulator circuit board in the Swanhammer's box that I bought years ago and stored away so I would find it when I started this build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:22:15 PM
I took some pictures of the site for these builds that will hang over my workbench as I proceed and thought I would post them here for reference.  The Fox Run build shares a baseboard and coal facility with the Foundry.  Swakhammer's will go to the right of the Fox Run Mill.  There will be a number industrial buildings along this siding in the back of Eagles Nest Yard.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-251019210331.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
I have a couple building sites to the left of the foundry and I'm looking for just the right structures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-251019210254.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:24:42 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-251019210154.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 25, 2019, 09:25:56 PM
Okay, so I got my finger in the way on this last one. It's a build thread. :-[ :o  Just pretend it's smoke from one of those big steam locomotives making the run from the Superior Yard.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-251019210104.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on October 25, 2019, 09:35:39 PM
Very nicely done John. love the location...Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 26, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
I love the backdrop and trees.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on October 26, 2019, 12:15:42 PM
Great location for some more of those "Yellow Box's"

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on October 26, 2019, 02:13:54 PM
Looking forward to these, John.

Fox has always been a favourite of mine.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 26, 2019, 03:14:58 PM
Very nicely done John. love the location...Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  I really like having the scenery and backdrop done before I locate the buildings and foreground scenery. Most of my layout will be done this way.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 26, 2019, 03:16:22 PM
I love the backdrop and trees.


Curt


Thank you, as I said in my post response to Dennis I really like having the scenery in place for the background before I build and place the structures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 26, 2019, 03:18:08 PM
Great location for some more of those "Yellow Box's"

Jim


Jim


Thank you, I have about 8 of them planned for this area. That's a lot of gluing. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 26, 2019, 03:27:12 PM
Looking forward to these, John.

Fox has always been a favourite of mine.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thanks for stopping by the thread - Fox Run and Swakhammer's are my two favorites and they will be side by side in this location. I'm in the process of looking at pictures and the site and deciding what, if anything, I want to do to change to the original structures for my site. This is the part that takes me the longest and probably the part I enjoy the most. I would like to do some elevation change but haven't come up with the right thing, yet. The site is bound by track on both sides so it doesn't lend itself to large elevation changes.


Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on October 27, 2019, 01:27:14 PM
John good to see you back in the buildings again.


Beautiful back drop and your planning of what's to go there sounds like a winner.
Looking forward to this area of development!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 27, 2019, 06:30:38 PM
John good to see you back in the buildings again.


Beautiful back drop and your planning of what's to go there sounds like a winner.
Looking forward to this area of development!


Jerry


Jerry


Thanks for stopping by and the kind words - I'm looking forward to building structures again.  All this wiring has made me crosseyed.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2019, 09:30:07 AM
Update: This weekend, the track work in the expansion got a good workout from Wayne Olson and I. We found three areas that I wanted to change before moving on to ballasting and detailing the track. Yesterday, I made those changes. I'm also working on two turnouts that are not getting proper power distribution. I will be doing some testing today to see if I can find out what is causing the problem.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281019092413.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2019, 09:41:12 AM
You will notice in the picture above that my logbook is open. I keep notes on how everything is wired, attached, etc. so I can remember what I did for future changes and or problem solving. This book has saved me so many times.  Oh, I should mention that I also take pictures and have a log book on my iPad with copies of the pages from the paper logbook. I have tried many times to go completely electronic but I always come back to the paper and pen logbooks for the complicated areas. The hookups for the upper level (Phase V) of this area are already in place and labeled on the control panels and in the books. It will be a number of years before they get used and I will not remember what I did without the books.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on October 28, 2019, 05:10:11 PM
John,

You've been busy. One of my least favorite things to do is trouble shoot a wounded area. However, one the other end, a great satisfaction occurs when the problem is fixed/solved.

Nice job my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on October 28, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
John,

A log book, why didn't I think of that?  Of course, then I'd have to remember where I put the book...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2019, 06:54:56 PM
John,

You've been busy. One of my least favorite things to do is trouble shoot a wounded area. However, one the other end, a great satisfaction occurs when the problem is fixed/solved.

Nice job my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thanks for stopping by and the words of encouragement - I hate trouble shooting electronics but it just got to the done. I have one turnout out of over 50 in this section that is giving me more gray hair. I have perfect voltage before and after the turnout and the frog juicer is working just fine but the locomotives are stalling because the voltage is dropping down to a little over 6 volts in the turnout. There has to be a problem with one of the jumpers on the underside of the turnout so I have to either use jumpers or pull the turnout. It is the most difficult one to change out right in the wall between the North and South yards. ::)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2019, 07:02:15 PM
John,

A log book, why didn't I think of that?  Of course, then I'd have to remember where I put the book...


Jerry


I take pictures of each page of the logbook for my iPad, so everything is backed up in the cloud. Not that I have ever lost the log book. ;) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[  Actually, the log book that I'm using now is volume 15.  I carried a log book with me to work on design work in hotel rooms and during boring corporate meetings back when I was working. The log books are the same as the ones we used for applying for patents so I never got any questions about taking notes in the log books.  Many of the sections of the layout started as design sketches in my log books.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
If you look at the picture above you will see a roll of orange duck tape. We used the tape to mark any trouble areas. As you can see, in the picture, all of the tape has been removed except for that one stubborn turnout (it's the turnout on the left just as the track goes through the wall).  It's time for another round of testing, as soon as I get it fixed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:07:41 PM
Update:  We have workbench activity on the S&S RR. My new workbench is all setup for the Swakhammer's build.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119140459.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:12:19 PM
First Step: Test fit the big castings. I will have some time invested in fitting the castings together and adding all the window castings.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119140838.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:12:43 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:13:01 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119140930.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:13:17 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119140959.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:13:34 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119141023.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:15:04 PM
And on my rolling workbench I have the Fox Run build started.  Step one the main walls.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119140533.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 02:17:32 PM
You will notice from the background of the pictures that I have spent some time getting my workspaces organized.  I have things setup so I will have have three main build areas and two smaller workbenches for subassemblies and small projects that come up. I'm sure I will be making a few changes as we go but so far I really like the new workspace.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 01, 2019, 07:26:03 PM
I really like the look of the stone work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
I really like the look of the stone work.


Curt


I agree, George did a great job with these stone walls. I will be coloring them with a variation of brown similar to what I did for the Foundry build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 07:35:07 PM
I did a test sample with the coloring technique I plan to use for the wood siding on Swakhammer's.  This is stained with Hunterline Yellow Cream and then a wash of A&I to make the grain and nail heads pop. I used one coat of stain on the top third of the sample, two coats in the middle, and three coats on the bottom. This building is going to be located in a yard with lots of steam locomotives running around it. The plan is to use different numbers of coats of the stain in different areas of the walls to help give it that weathered look.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119192950.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 01, 2019, 07:44:14 PM
I also started gluing the bracing for the clapboard walls on the Fox Run Milling build. The rest of the day was spent preparing the detail castings for both builds.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011119194159.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on November 02, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
John really like the coloring and the way the weathering is showing up.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 02, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
John really like the coloring and the way the weathering is showing up.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you - I will probably add a little chalk for texture on the model but this is the way I plan to go on this one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on November 02, 2019, 01:59:48 PM
Looking good, John.

That cream colour is nice.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: engine909 on November 02, 2019, 02:15:17 PM
Yellow cream is very nice. I just used it on the John Allen Engine House O scale kit from Mt. Albert.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 02, 2019, 04:37:36 PM
Looking good, John.

That cream colour is nice.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I have a dark brown picked out for the windows and doors that I think will look good with this yellow/cream.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 02, 2019, 04:40:45 PM
Yellow cream is very nice. I just used it on the John Allen Engine House O scale kit from Mt. Albert.


I bet that really looks good. I'm really liking the way the Hunter Stains work so far.  Up until my big purchase of their products at the Narrow Gauge Convention I had only tried the driftwood and cement colors.  As with everything I do the stain is the base color the A&I brings out the details and then I usually hit it with some chalks as a finishing touch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 02, 2019, 09:40:47 PM
Update: The wall bracing and corner moldings were added to the Fox Run wall sections today. I also prepared the detail castings for Swakhammer's - I have a few more to do in the morning and they will be ready for the paint booth.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-021119213748.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 03, 2019, 09:35:38 PM
The castings for Swakhammer's are ready for the paint booth. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 04, 2019, 09:15:25 AM
That's a lot of castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on November 04, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
The FSM NBW castings always looked too large to me.  On my Jacobs Coal, I used Tichy castings instead. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 04, 2019, 11:33:52 AM
That's a lot of castings.


It sure is.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 04, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
The FSM NBW castings always looked too large to me.  On my Jacobs Coal, I used Tichy castings instead. 


dave




Dave


This kit comes with both the Tichy plastic windows and the metal casting for the stone part of the building. If you look at the metal widows I have done a little file work which takes care of any issues.  The big problem George had with the metal windows is keeping them in shape during the shipping process. Some of these kits have a lot of shipping miles on them before they get built. I spend some time doing the straightening before I paint them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 04, 2019, 04:23:01 PM
Castings are in the paint booth - round one.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031119213236.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: engine909 on November 05, 2019, 03:24:14 PM
John, Always a pleasure following along. I also complimented the yellow with dark brown on the Engine house. Looks very nice together. The brown I used was FolkArt Painted Barnwood Effect, thinned a bit, than wiped on and off.
ed
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: FandSM Engineer on November 05, 2019, 04:28:28 PM
John, Always a pleasure following along. I also complimented the yellow with dark brown on the Engine house. Looks very nice together. The brown I used was FolkArt Painted Barnwood Effect, thinned a bit, than wiped on and off.
ed

Ed

I'm using a ultra flat camo-brown shaker can for the window and door castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 05, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
John, Always a pleasure following along. I also complimented the yellow with dark brown on the Engine house. Looks very nice together. The brown I used was FolkArt Painted Barnwood Effect, thinned a bit, than wiped on and off.
ed

Ed

I'm using a ultra flat camo-brown shaker can for the window and door castings.


Sorry for any confusion on the login.  I created another login for the F&SM posts and sometimes I forget which one I'm using when I post on my build thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 07, 2019, 12:50:36 PM
Update: Lots of activity in the paint booth today. I may just get the castings for the next couple of builds prepped and do all the detail casting at once. So far, I got as far as cleaning off my detail bench. ;)  Next up, for the paint booth, is the wall castings for Shakhammer's.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 08, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I spent most of the day today painting the detail castings for Swakhammer's.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 08, 2019, 09:42:33 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081119213553.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 08, 2019, 09:46:38 PM
I also made considerable progress on the Fox Run build.  The main walls have been completed and are ready for assembly.  I used driftwood stain from Hunterline for the walls. I wanted this structure to have the weathered after the war time frame coloring, but I did not pop the siding off to make it look completely run down.  This is the working part of the layout is the revenue producing area so I'm interested in a series of builds that are not as run down as the prototypes for these kits.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 08, 2019, 09:47:52 PM
In this picture the walls have the window and door castings added and are ready for assembly.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 08, 2019, 09:51:36 PM
I also got the castings out for the coaling tower and G. Wilikers which will be the next two kits that I plan to build. I like painting the castings in big batches so I can clear off the detailing bench for doing the final detailing on each build. I store the castings in the plastic trays that you seen in the picture above.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on November 09, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
John,

I really like the look of your Fox Run walls.  They look neglected, but also show a building that is still generating sufficient income to survive if not prosper.  Nice job getting the door and window castings to reflect the state of the clapboards.  I'll be following along on this group of builds. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 09, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
John,

I really like the look of your Fox Run walls.  They look neglected, but also show a building that is still generating sufficient income to survive if not prosper.  Nice job getting the door and window castings to reflect the state of the clapboards.  I'll be following along on this group of builds.


Jerry


Thank you for following along and your comments.  As I said above, the look you describe is what I'm after and comments coming from a man that knows when it's time to paint the barn are greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on November 09, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
John I love your weathering a used building just in deed of a paint job.


Not falling down with boards missing and the roof leaking I'm sorry guys but business just were not kept that way if they were in business.


Question is that a paper towel under ythe parts that you stained??


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 09, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
John I love your weathering a used building just in deed of a paint job.


Not falling down with boards missing and the roof leaking I'm sorry guys but business just were not kept that way if they were in business.


Question is that a paper towel under ythe parts that you stained??


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  Yes - that is a paper towel under the wood that I'm staining. If I'm getting too much stain from the brush I will put some on the paper towel - I like the streaked look. Each board weathers just a little differently and different areas of the building get more sun than others.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 09, 2019, 09:35:53 PM
Update:  I updated the links to volume 1 and 2 of this build thread to tie everything together. The links to the older volumes will always be on page 1 of each volume along with the index.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 08:40:18 AM
Blacking out the back of the wall sections of Fox Run - last step before the assembly process.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 08:41:34 AM
I started the next section of the building while I was waiting for the paint to dry on the main building.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on November 10, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Great progress, John!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 08:53:22 PM
Great progress, John!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark



Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 08:58:26 PM
Update:  We have activity on three workbenches, tonight.  On the Fox Run build I'm assembling the walls for the rest of the building sections. on one workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 08:59:17 PM
Gluing the wall sections together for the main building on the second workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 08:59:39 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-101119205530.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
And on my detailing workbench I'm painting the castings for Swakhammer's.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-101119205555.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 10, 2019, 09:01:14 PM
I also added the galley glass to the window castings for Swakhammer's.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on November 11, 2019, 01:20:18 PM
Hey John:

Looks great so far. Wow look at all that window glass. My favorite job.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 11, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
Hey John:

Looks great so far. Wow look at all that window glass. My favorite job.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - the glass is always one of those okay let's get it done, jobs.  I try the acetate sheet and then on the next build I go back to the gallery glass.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on November 11, 2019, 04:24:32 PM
John,

You've been busy, busy my friend. The least favorite part of any build for me is the Canopy glue in the windows and doors.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 11, 2019, 06:01:22 PM
John,

You've been busy, busy my friend. The least favorite part of any build for me is the Canopy glue in the windows and doors.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for stopping by the thread - yes I have been on a roll the last few days.  I actually bought some Canopy glue that I'm going to try for my next set of windows. I have always used the gallery glass glue - I assume it's about the same.  I like the way the windows look when lit with LED's much better with the glue, than with the plastic sheet that comes with most kits.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 11, 2019, 06:03:29 PM
Today, the walls went together for the building A assembly of Fox Run.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 11, 2019, 06:05:38 PM
I will be assembling each of the buildings as subassemblies and then putting everything together on the baseboard.  This build shares the baseboard with the foundry so I will be moving it from the layout back to the workbench for this process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 12, 2019, 09:22:54 AM
If you look closely at the picture above you will see a glue bottle tipped up to get the last little bit of glue out.  How does a modeler run out of glue in the middle of a snow storm? :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[  I just ordered a gallon from Amazon - they say it will be here tomorrow.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 13, 2019, 08:11:10 AM
The walls for the additions to Fox Run are braced and stained.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131119080654.jpeg)


The contrast between the light and dark areas of walls is enhanced by the fact that the walls are still wet when I took the picture.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 13, 2019, 08:13:44 AM
The walls for the A building, and tower, from George's instructions are assembled and ready for a roof.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on November 13, 2019, 08:44:58 AM
John,

Looking good, and that's an understatement.  I'm enjoying watching you build this.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on November 13, 2019, 12:31:01 PM
A fine looking build so far John.  As always I'll be following along great adventure that it is!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 13, 2019, 01:27:51 PM
John,

Looking good, and that's an understatement.  I'm enjoying watching you build this.


Jerry
I'm glad to have you along on this journey and thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 13, 2019, 01:28:22 PM
A fine looking build so far John.  As always I'll be following along great adventure that it is!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 16, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
Update: I'm back working on the railroad this afternoon after a hunting and fishing trip up to the Northern Hqrts. of the S&S RR.  I came back with lots of "what ifs" to try on my current and future builds.  No shooter bucks this year but I had a great time with family and friends that I only get to see once or twice a year. So it's back to working on the railroad and it's another Saturday, as our good friend Tom says.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on November 17, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
Nice progress on the build John!  Nothing like a little fishing & hunting break to get those juices flowing for some more railroading!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 17, 2019, 02:58:30 PM
Nice progress on the build John!  Nothing like a little fishing & hunting break to get those juices flowing for some more railroading!


Mark


Thank you, and yes the fishing and hunting breaks do generate a lot of ideas. And I always come back eager to get back at the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 17, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
I got some bench time in this afternoon.  Started adding the window and door castings, black interior paint, and signs to the smaller structures for Fox Run. Here is a picture with the Flour Sign added to the wall.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 18, 2019, 08:59:14 AM
Neat sign.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on November 18, 2019, 03:30:29 PM
John,

Very nice weathering on the main A building.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: EricQuebec on November 18, 2019, 05:06:51 PM
Ditto
Eric
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on November 18, 2019, 07:38:38 PM
Ditto
Eric

Ditto, Ditto.   or is it Ditto Also.  Either way that is a great weathering job John.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:25:24 PM
Neat sign.


Thank you Curt - it is the sign that comes with the kit with appropriate weathering.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:27:11 PM
Tom, Eric, and Jim


Thank you for the kind words. Now, to start putting this thing together and see what we get.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:40:13 PM
I completed the walls sections for the Fox Run build today and started putting the subassemblies together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:41:05 PM
Yes, I make sure it is clamped absolutely square until the glue dries.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:41:57 PM
The first two walls of the shed going together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:44:57 PM
I also got started on the Swankhammer stone walls.  First, step, after the primer, is to fill the mortar joints with the mortar gray pigment.  I use alcohol to get the pigment where I want it and don't worry about getting some on the faces of the stones.  After it dries I get it off the faces with an eraser - and any that remains is covered by the next steps of the process.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2019, 10:46:49 PM
I started adding the coloring to the stone faces on this small casting near the end of the day. It all comes together with the big fluffy brush at the end of the process.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 19, 2019, 09:17:24 AM
Very nice looking stone work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 19, 2019, 09:38:49 AM
Very nice looking stone work.


Thank you Curt. I'm trying to document each step of the process for future reference.




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on November 19, 2019, 10:18:31 AM
Hey John:

the walls look just great.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 19, 2019, 08:15:16 PM
Hey John:

the walls look just great.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 19, 2019, 08:58:24 PM

Lots of subassemblies for the Fox Run build on the workbench, today. Next step will be glueing them all together on the baseboard. I will be doing all of the detail work on the workbench on the baseboard.



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on November 19, 2019, 09:14:04 PM
the color on the stone walls came out very nice John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on November 20, 2019, 05:41:52 AM
Hey John:

Can't wait to see this all come together.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 20, 2019, 07:47:56 AM
the color on the stone walls came out very nice John.


Steve


Thank you for the kind words. Now, we will see how it looks with the yellow I have picked for the clapboard.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: CVSNE on November 20, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
John,


Wasn't sure about the coloration of the stonework at first,  but consider me sold!


Looks great.


Marty

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 20, 2019, 11:23:13 AM
John,


Wasn't sure about the coloration of the stonework at first,  but consider me sold!


Looks great.


Marty


Marty


Thank you for following along. This stonework coloring technique starts out looking pretty patchwork then you blend everything together at the end.  I will take pictures just before I glue them together and then again when I do the finish work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on November 21, 2019, 08:37:07 AM
Nice work on the stones John.  Great coloring choices.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2019, 09:50:31 AM
Nice work on the stones John.  Great coloring choices.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
It's time to move the base board for the Fox Run build from the layout to the workbench.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211119134548.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2019, 01:51:00 PM
First step, make sure it is level on the workbench. Chimneys are supposed to start out straight up and down.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211119134650.jpeg)


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2019, 01:52:05 PM
I also moved the baseboard for the Swakhammer's build to a workbench.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211119134619.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on November 21, 2019, 02:07:45 PM
John,

Level is a good thing. Looks like you are on the level with this one.  8) 8)

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2019, 03:37:49 PM
John,

Level is a good thing. Looks like you are on the level with this one.  8) 8)

Tom  ;D


Yep, you have to start with a good foundation. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on November 21, 2019, 10:10:28 PM
I particularly like the tribute to Christchurch 4 shots back!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on November 22, 2019, 12:22:43 PM
Hey John:

Looks just beautiful so far. Built Sewels for my friends layout. Cant wait till we can get started putting scenery and buildings on it.

karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 01:27:11 PM
I particularly like the tribute to Christchurch 4 shots back!

Cheers, Mark.


 ;) ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
Hey John:

Looks just beautiful so far. Built Sewels for my friends layout. Cant wait till we can get started putting scenery and buildings on it.

karl


Karl


Thank you for the kind words.  Your friends layout is going to be great - I will be watching your progress.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 06:17:55 PM
This morning, I added the roof cards to the Fox Run buildings.  This means I got out my Jan Bags from under the workbench.  This is probably the best tip I have found reading build threads on the forum.  Jan (aka Janbouli) a few years ago, here on the forum, showed how he used sandbags or bean bags to hold down roof cards while the glue dries.  It works great - it's one of those why didn't I think of that kind of ideas.  Anyway, I glue the roof card down and then use a mirror to make sure it is seated all the way around, and to make sure there is no glue getting out onto the surface of the wall. You can shift the weight of the sand around in the bag until the card fits just right. Thanks again Jan - I know I have posted about this before but I always think of Jan at this point of a build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 06:19:13 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 06:20:33 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 06:21:56 PM
On the Swakhammer's build I started adding the nail heads and bracing to the clapboard wall sections.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2019, 06:26:58 PM
I also added the window and door castings to the stone walls for Swakhammer's. I thought I would show the backside of the last wall that I did to show how much glue I add around the metal castings. I first set the door with just a little glue. Then once it is set I go back and add a generous bead all the way around the castings to make sure they don't go anywhere after there on the layout.


The plan is to glue these wall sections together in the morning.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on November 23, 2019, 03:21:31 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/55/31/a355319e658b2ded63974b6503b0caf2.jpg)You're very welcome John, you and many others here have given me so many great ideas , inspiring photo's , and much more .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 23, 2019, 01:33:27 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/55/31/a355319e658b2ded63974b6503b0caf2.jpg)You're very welcome John, you and many others here have given me so many great ideas , inspiring photo's , and much more .


Jan


Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 23, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
The dormers are going on the Fox Run main building.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 23, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
LED's mounted under the main Fox Run building.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 23, 2019, 06:49:10 PM
First, test fit.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 23, 2019, 06:52:17 PM
Stone walls for Swakhammer's starting to go together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 23, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 24, 2019, 08:17:38 AM
It all looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2019, 09:34:53 AM
It all looks great John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on November 24, 2019, 12:58:24 PM
Looking good, John.

I really like the yellow for the doors.  It works very well with your stone colour.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
Looking good, John.

I really like the yellow for the doors.  It works very well with your stone colour.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the kind words and for following along, I went with a very dirty yellow. After all, this is a welding shop located in the middle of a railroad yard.  By the way, the name is going to be Grandpa John's Welding, after my dad, who was a welder by trade.  His father, also named John worked in the rail yards in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He got a job fixing cars when his job as a furniture maker was slow. At one time Grand Rapids, MI was world famous for their fine furniture. It could be that working with wood is in my blood.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2019, 05:06:07 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2019, 08:28:56 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2019, 08:31:34 PM
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The stone wall sections are ready to be placed on the baseboard. For now they are just sitting there waiting for the rest of the reinforcements and then the roof cards.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2019, 08:36:27 PM
The stone wall detail is setting on a piece of strip wood so the wet glue from the reinforcements will not glue it in a position that I don't want it. That is why you see some air under the right side of the structure.  I'm using up some big basswood strip wood for the reinforcements.


Correction: The little end casting is on upside down. Fixed it when I added the roof card. I must have been tired when I put this together. :-[
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on November 26, 2019, 06:00:49 AM
Coming along really nicely John!  Thanks for all of the progress pics.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 26, 2019, 08:32:37 AM
Coming along really nicely John!  Thanks for all of the progress pics.


Mark


Thank you for following along - starting to make some progress, it's modeling season.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on November 26, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
Hey John:

The walls are truly looking beautiful.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on November 27, 2019, 11:57:11 AM
Always a pleasure to see a new post John.


Beautiful coloring on the stonework.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 27, 2019, 09:35:36 PM
Hey John:

The walls are truly looking beautiful.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for your very kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 27, 2019, 09:36:42 PM
Always a pleasure to see a new post John.


Beautiful coloring on the stonework.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  New work leading to new posts coming soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
I made some more progress on the structure builds, today.  On the Fox Run build the roofing materials started going on.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:09:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:09:32 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:12:01 PM
On the Swakhammer build the main clapboard buildings got a coat of flat black paint on the interior and started to go together.  I'm gluing them together, before doing the outside staining.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:13:47 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:14:15 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
The roof card was also glued down on the stone section of the Swakhammer build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on November 29, 2019, 08:25:30 AM
John,

Coming along nicely.  Still following along...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jim Donovan on November 29, 2019, 10:20:52 AM
Thanks for sharing John, looks great and learning as usual.

Jim D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 29, 2019, 09:23:09 PM
John,

Coming along nicely.  Still following along...


Jerry


Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2019, 01:16:17 PM
Thanks for sharing John, looks great and learning as usual.

Jim D


Jim


Great to have you along for the ride.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on November 30, 2019, 01:36:36 PM
I just ordered one of those T-Track table tops and T-Track pieces.  (I didn't get the Rockler stand, I'm sure I can find one a lot cheaper :-) )

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2019, 01:44:14 PM
I just ordered one of those T-Track table tops and T-Track pieces.  (I didn't get the Rockler stand, I'm sure I can find one a lot cheaper :-) )

dave


Dave


You will enjoy it - mine is in use all the time.  I put mine on top of the workbench and never bought the stand.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
Progress Update: More roofing materials and roof cards on the Fox Run build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2019, 01:58:16 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2019, 02:04:07 PM
Added the roof card to the stone portion of the Swakhammer build.  Also, more assembly of the wood portions of the main building.


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For Jaime, if you go back a few pictures you will notice that the little end casting was in upside down.  A little work with a razor blade and the glue bottle and all was well. I didn't see it until I was putting on the roof card.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2019, 02:06:45 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 03, 2019, 09:05:52 PM
Today, more roofing materials on the Fox Run build. And lots of interior bracing on the dormers and smaller structures for the Swakhammer build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 04, 2019, 09:24:20 AM
Nice looking roofing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on December 04, 2019, 10:03:08 AM
John,

I agree with Curt, great looking shingles.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on December 04, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!!! Structure is coming along beautifully.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on December 04, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
Great coloring on the shingles John.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2019, 10:46:18 PM
Nice looking roofing.


Curt


Thank you, I will be using the weather chalks once the structures are in place - but I agree that these new shingles from Wild West Models really look good right out to the package.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2019, 10:47:08 PM
Hey John:

WOW!!!! Structure is coming along beautifully.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - I hope to string a few days in a row on these builds this week.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2019, 10:48:39 PM
John,

I agree with Curt, great looking shingles.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, I just put in an order for the shingles for the next half a dozen builds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
Great coloring on the shingles John.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words and as always for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2019, 10:51:29 PM
Update: I spent most of the day adding shingles to the many structures that make up the Fox Run build and getting all of the clapboard structures glued together and ready for the staining process on the Swakhammer build. I will take some more progress pictures when I get these steps completed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:14:58 PM
Update: I colored the clapboard walls of the main build for Swakhammer's today.  I wanted that chalky paint look. My time frame is 1949 so I wanted the building to look like it was time for a new coat of paint - neglected during the war - look. I used a three step process. 1) stained the wall with Hunters Creamy Yellow stain. 2) A&I to get the coal dust look and pop the railheads. Finally, 3) added yellow chalk for more color - slightly more orange to the yellow to get to the color that matched my doors on the stone part of the building. Here are a few pictures from the end of the day followed by some process pictures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:17:12 PM
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I need to get rid of some of the chalk that built up next to the moldings.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:20:02 PM
Step one: Hunterline Creamy Yellow stain.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:23:32 PM
Step 2: A&I wash.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:31:36 PM
Step 3: was the Rembrandts 202.5 yellow chalk.


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I painted this on as a wash by adding Alcohol.


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Here is a zoomed in picture of the clapboard wall.  The nail heads are visible but much more subtle. They are more visible to my eye and the paint color is more chalky.  The magic of an iPhone picture.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:36:22 PM
Here is a picture of the Fox Run build at the end of the day, today.  Followed by a couple of progress pictures as the main building subassemblies came together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:36:45 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:37:02 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on December 05, 2019, 09:47:38 PM
Big day for the LBP construction crew of the S&S RR today!

Looking good, John.

I'll hold my tongue on the yellow until all is done.  I know I did one myself in gloss yellow with a hit of Dullcote when done.  At the time it looked so bright (much more so than yours) but when finished it quickly became one of my favourite colour schemes.  (please excuse my Queen's English spelling - two in a row there!)

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2019, 09:55:59 PM
Big day for the LBP construction crew of the S&S RR today!

Looking good, John.

I'll hold my tongue on the yellow until all is done.  I know I did one myself in gloss yellow with a hit of Dullcote when done.  At the time it looked so bright (much more so than yours) but when finished it quickly became one of my favourite colour schemes.  (please excuse my Queen's English spelling - two in a row there!)

Cheers, Mark.


Hi Mark


Thank you for following along, yes I spent a few hours in the workshop today.


The yellow looks much brighter in the photograph with the iPhone than in real life to the eye. I don't like how the new iPhones brighten all the colors. I will take some good pictures with my SLR when this build is done. The nice thing about this process is I can always hit it with another coat of A&I if I still think it's to bright when I get the windows and trim on it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on December 05, 2019, 11:00:56 PM
Looking good John.  I like the yellow its different but in the end I think it will blend out very nicely.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 06, 2019, 03:40:46 PM
Looking good John.  I like the yellow its different but in the end I think it will blend out very nicely.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for your comments and for following along.  I took a look at the photographs and the walls this morning and decided to tone them down a little with a light wash of A&I. This wash is 25% of the strength of the wash I normally use.  It did take the edge off the yellow.  I will post pictures tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 06, 2019, 08:45:53 PM

Here are a couple of pictures after the A&I.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on December 06, 2019, 09:35:53 PM
I love you wiring  John

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 07, 2019, 07:41:43 AM
I love you wiring  John

Jim


Jim


Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on December 08, 2019, 12:12:36 PM
Perfect don't change a thing.  Your eye for coloring is amazing!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
Perfect don't change a thing.  Your eye for coloring is amazing!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the kind words. I really struggle with coloring - I keep buying color wheels and reading books and it still takes a few trials for me to get something I like the looks of. There are some very good eyes on this forum and I really like getting input.  Sometimes they post it and sometimes I get an email - especial if they think it looks like s**t. I'm learning and appreciate the input.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2019, 03:34:36 PM
I took a few pictures, yesterday, of the Eagles Nest area of the layout where my current build project will be planted.  I'm making a few track work changes in preparation for the builds and wanted to have some pictures on the iPad to use for sketching. Since they were here I thought I would post a few - it is a build thread.  This is the view from the Eagles Nest.  The hole you see in the foreground is for the pit on the Foundry and Fox Run Builds. The next two builds along this line will be Swakhammer's and G. Wilikers FSM kits. There will be 3 or 4 more builds in the area near the Roundhouse.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081219152758.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2019, 03:40:37 PM
I also, cleared and area for the Station and Freight depot in the front of this area. This will also require a few track routing changes.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081219152732.jpeg)


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I never know what I will find when I cut into this benchwork.  The writing you see on the plywood is from my previous layout. You can also see the junction between the old and new benchwork made during one of the expansions a few years ago.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on December 08, 2019, 04:03:04 PM
Hey John:

Wow!!! Everything looks just great. Who's roundhouse is that. It's very cool.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2019, 07:59:32 PM
Hey John:

Wow!!! Everything looks just great. Who's roundhouse is that. It's very cool.

Karl


Hi Karl


The Stone Roundhouse is from one of Bob VanGelder's Stone Roundhouse castings that George Sellios gave me. If you want to read all the details of the build I chronicled the build in Volume 1 of this build thread. It starts on page 7 and goes for a long time - that was a big build. The locomotive works started with the same seed castings.


http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.90 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.90)


I plan to start a similar build of Bob's Brick Roundhouse next year that will reside in Superior Yard - the new section of my layout. The new one will be bigger than what I did for the Stone Roundhouse.  I'm looking forward to that build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 10, 2019, 01:13:23 PM
Progress picture of the Swakhammer's build. Window and door castings are in the main building. Next up roof supports and roof cards.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-101219131037.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 10, 2019, 01:14:28 PM
Progress picture of the Fox Run build.  Roof is on the main building. Next up roof rafters. Lots of them.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 10, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 10, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
Looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on December 10, 2019, 02:52:18 PM
John,

Oh yea, Mikey likes it a lot! Gold Stars AAA++.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 10, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
Looks great John.


Curt


Thank you for the positive comments. Making progress.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 10, 2019, 03:40:19 PM
John,

Oh yea, Mikey likes it a lot! Gold Stars AAA++.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you to you and Mikey, too. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 10, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
A topic for discussion: Foundations - most kit manufactures don't provide for buildings setting on foundations. Clapboard just doesn't go all the way to the ground.  :-[  I just spent an hour looking at pictures and coming up with a plan that will hid the fact that these two builds do not have foundations under them.  George did cover 80% of the clapboard at the base with loading docks, etc. for the main buildings and I'm going to add a foundation to the out buildings. What do you do on your builds?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on December 10, 2019, 04:08:35 PM
If I'm scratchbuilding, I explicitly consider a foundation.  Usually, but not always, I'll add one and make sure if there's wood siding, the siding overhangs.  (I didn't do that on my most recent big wood structure, the 'mill valley' warehouse.)  I also have added foundations to kits (most notably in my latest 'Bisgeier Tool' build where I added a brick foundation under the board-and-batten ell.)

Whether or not I do a foundation, I'll weather the base of the building to add mud splashes, mildew, etc.  That helps tie the building into the ground.

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on December 10, 2019, 04:29:28 PM
John,

I add a foundation to my builds in a couple different ways.  Most of the time I cut a solid foundation from either 1/8" Masonite or 1/4" paneling scraps.  I have also used 1/8" or larger strip wood, mitering the corners if I am going to paint the foundation to look like concrete.  Most of the time I use either embossed plastic sheets of stone or bricks to cover the foundation.  Other times I will use printed paper stone or the Micromark self adhesive stone to cover the foundation. 

IMO buildings that lack a foundation are difficult to place realistically on a layout.  There is either a gap under the structure where it meets the ground, or the lower clapboards end up being buried in the dirt. 

I plan the what I will use for the foundation prior to starting the build and adjust the measurements for any loading docks, porches, steps, etc., accordingly.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on December 10, 2019, 10:50:42 PM
Hi John.

I've been considering your topic for discussion all day.  Firstly

Quote
Clapboard just doesn't go all the way to the ground.

This should be true but it really isn't.  I have seen multiple examples of timber going all the way to the ground - especially in old houses and especially on hills.  I was once at my friends old house (on the flat) and went out the back door from the wash house and had to step up to the concrete patio outside.  You opened the door inwards and there was 6" of concrete!  Surely it will rot you say - yes.

Often timber structures are built on piles - the same as a deck - and in such cases timber often goes all the way to the ground - almost - and inch (which would be almost invisible in Ho scale) is all that is required to let airflow (and vermin) under your building.  Below is a nice example taken from my inspirational walks around Lyttelton.  Yes - it is corrugated iron, but it is still fraught with the same problems and I'm sure similar examples in timber could be found.  Behind the iron there is no doubt untreaded timber framework, below the exterior ground level.  Inside that timber framework is no doubt dozy and the unpleasant smell of rot is in the air.

Baring this in mind I sometimes put foundations on my structures (always pre-planned and usually from Wills plasticard brick or block, sometimes my own plaster castings of concrete formers) and sometimes don't.  As mentioned, the timber frame of the structure typically sits flush with the floor/ foundation and the cladding sits proud of this by 2"ish.  Putting a foundation proud of the cladding will look wrong (although I'm sure there will be examples out there).

We do love to age our structures and pry off clapboards - here is a perfect candidate for some rot from the bottom up!

An interesting topic, John.  I'd suggest starting a thread on it but it would invariably turn into a nail hole debate.  I'm surprised it hasn't already!  Woops! I shouldn't have said that should I...

Cheers, Mark.
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Post by: mark dalrymple on December 11, 2019, 12:25:18 AM
Considering your yellow paint considerations this photo is rather apt in another way!  Just look at that yellow glow - in the prototype!  And the clash with that green!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 11, 2019, 08:57:46 AM
Dave, Jerry and Mark


Great discussion on the foundations issue. I always add them on my scratch builds, I know there are prototypes without them, but in this part of the country you will end up with water running in the building from snow melt, if you don't have them.  Most of them are 12 to 18 inches high. My rule of thumb for the S&S RR is going to be if you can hide the fact that their not there (with a loading dock, bush, or other natural looking view block) then I will not add them to the kits. If  you can see foundation area of the structure I'm going to add them, if at all possible. I need to do a little project and look ahead at my build schedule and see where that will be needed and what has to be done to add them.  I do like the looks of the paper material sold by Micro Mart for foundations.  I also bought some extra Monster Model Works stone and brick walls that I plan on using for foundations.  I sure wish that someone would take over making the laser cut walls from Monster Model Works.


Mark that is sure one colorful scene in the picture you posted.  ;)


     
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 12, 2019, 09:23:12 PM
I started assembling the building pieces for Swakhammers - it took a pretty goofy setup to get a tight glue joint between the two clapboard sections of the main building.




(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-121219211127.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 14, 2019, 08:54:06 PM
Update: Today, I added more subassemblies and roof cards to the Swakhammer build. Also, made considerable progress on my track rerouting in the Eagles Nest Yard to make room for a Brownsville Depot build in my future. I'll take some pictures of the site when I get a little further along.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141219205222.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 15, 2019, 09:51:16 AM
Very nice John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Oldguy on December 15, 2019, 11:59:25 AM
Just getting caught up. What % alcohol did you use for the chalk painting?  I've tried it, but all my alcohol evaporated before I could do anything.
Foundations.  I'm with you on them, but with a caveat.  As long as the ground slopes away, it should be good.  On my Monster Model Works build, I didn't catch the lack of a foundation to the office section, until it was too late.


 On the other hand, I found that if the main floor is raised, just by adding a block or stone overlay will give you a foundation.
Here are two examples of wood siding being placed directly on the ground.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on December 15, 2019, 01:40:35 PM
I'm not sure if those post foundations were widely used in cold climates.  Certainly that floor would be very cold in the winter!!  Kiss your pipes good-bye!  ;)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 15, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
Very nice John


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 15, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Just getting caught up. What % alcohol did you use for the chalk painting?  I've tried it, but all my alcohol evaporated before I could do anything.
Foundations.  I'm with you on them, but with a caveat.  As long as the ground slopes away, it should be good.  On my Monster Model Works build, I didn't catch the lack of a foundation to the office section, until it was too late.


 On the other hand, I found that if the main floor is raised, just by adding a block or stone overlay will give you a foundation.
Here are two examples of wood siding being placed directly on the ground.


Hi Bob


Thank you for following the build thread. I use 90% alcohol that I buy from my local drug store.  I just add a squirt or two to the chalk as it gets dried out and keep on painting.


I think the foundation issue is a local building code issue. Where I live a building would only last a few years with out a foundation because of the snow melt. As the snow melts the water would seep into the building. In the South you could probably get away with wood on the ground - except I would be worried about termites.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 15, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
I'm not sure if those post foundations were widely used in cold climates.  Certainly that floor would be very cold in the winter!!  Kiss your pipes good-bye!  ;)


dave


Dave



All good points.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jbvb on December 16, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
Many houses and commercial structures' foundations only extend 6-8" above the ground for at least part of the building - makes access much easier.  If it's that close, you can't see what the foundation is made of without getting down on your knees, unless the owner has just mowed the lawn.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 17, 2019, 07:27:34 AM
Many houses and commercial structures' foundations only extend 6-8" above the ground for at least part of the building - makes access much easier.  If it's that close, you can't see what the foundation is made of without getting down on your knees, unless the owner has just mowed the lawn.


James

Thank you for your comments on foundations.  I'm coming to the conclusion that foundation type and specifications really depends on the area you are modeling. The old rule of you can find a prototype for anything really seems to apply here.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 18, 2019, 01:58:30 PM
Here are a few pictures of the track work changes that I'm making.  I also brought the Fox Run and Swakhammer builds back to the layout for a test fit before I glue the main buildings down on the baseboards.


The outline for the Brownsville depot has been added with a sharpe.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181219135618.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 18, 2019, 02:01:32 PM
A few more pictures for reference.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181219135651.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181219135725.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on December 18, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Hey John:

All I can say is WOW!!!! great job on all the kits and putting them in place on the RR. Keep the great photos coming. Like the way you are setting up Sewel's and Dakota Maid Flour.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on December 18, 2019, 03:24:02 PM
John,

Wow, indeed. It all looks fantastic.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on December 18, 2019, 03:26:44 PM
Nice work John there going to add a lot to the area.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jimmillho on December 18, 2019, 07:23:48 PM
Looks great John.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 18, 2019, 09:06:38 PM
Hey John:

All I can say is WOW!!!! great job on all the kits and putting them in place on the RR. Keep the great photos coming. Like the way you are setting up Sewel's and Dakota Maid Flour.

Karl




Karl


Thank you for the kind words. This area is starting to take shape.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 18, 2019, 09:07:16 PM
John,

Wow, indeed. It all looks fantastic.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 18, 2019, 09:29:26 PM
Awesome John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 19, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
Awesome John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 22, 2019, 07:46:50 PM
The crew at the Superior & Seattle Railroad would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New year!




 I will be getting the camera out for my annual - what's new pictures - in late January, after the main line changes that I'm making.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 30, 2019, 10:45:03 PM
I got back to the layout for a little while this afternoon. I'm developing a way to add the tortoise machines from the top of the layout benchwork rather than from the bottom like most traditional installations. I took some pictures this evening of the process that I'm using and will try to get them posted, tomorrow. It's good to be back working on the railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on December 31, 2019, 07:52:25 AM
Hey John:

Like I said I really love what you are doing with your RR. Looks just beautiful.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on December 31, 2019, 09:13:36 AM
Hey John:

Like I said I really love what you are doing with your RR. Looks just beautiful.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the kind words and for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:11:18 PM
Happy New Year! I started to post a few pictures of the new track work that is going in the town of Sellios before my holiday/take care of mom break.  I'm basically raising the mainline 3/4 of a inch to give me more options with elevation changes in this area.  To make tortoise switch machines easier to install I'm cutting a hole through all the layers of benchwork in this area and attaching the tortoise machine to the top 3/4 inch thick board.  The sections are put in with screws so I could remove the section and replace the switch machine if needed, later on. Here are a few pictures that show what I'm doing.


First the turnout location is established and a section of the benchwork is cut out.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301219223539.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:12:52 PM
I cut a clearance hole underneath the 3/4 inch mainline benchwork.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
I'm cutting through a lot of layers of history. The benchwork from my first layout extends through this area.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:15:42 PM
The tortoise machine is then attached. Wires added. and then screwed in place.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010120202206.jpeg)





(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301219223327.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:17:23 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301219223411.jpeg)


A cut is made through the cork roadbed at the joint line.  Once everything is in place I make sure everything is smooth using the belt grinder.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:25:12 PM
Here are a few overview progress photographs of the area I'm changing.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010120201848.jpeg)


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010120201915.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:26:16 PM
The ramp back down on the other side of town.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010120201955.jpeg)




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:27:37 PM
There is going to be a river flowing through this area and I pulled out the information from Brett on his new kit to make sure I had enough room if I decided to plant it here.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010120202055.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010120202117.jpeg)


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:31:02 PM
And finally, for tonights progress report.  The rafter ends are going on the structures for Swakhammer's and Fox Run. Hundreds of rafter ends. ::)


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
As we start out the new year on the S&S RR, I have three structure builds going and the mainline benchwork changes project. The Swakhammer build and the Fox Run build, and the third structure build is my challenge build for 2020 the FSM coal tower number 145.  Here is a link to the build thread.


http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4874.msg132180;topicseen#new (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4874.msg132180;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 01, 2020, 08:37:10 PM
The plan is to start the brick roundhouse for the Superior Yard when I have completed the Fox Run and Swakhammer builds. It's going to be a busy winter.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Bruce Oberleitner on January 02, 2020, 12:03:06 AM
Looking Good John. 

I sure wish I lived closer so I could come see your layout in person.  It looks awesome!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on January 02, 2020, 08:25:27 AM
Looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 02, 2020, 08:30:56 AM
Looking Good John. 

I sure wish I lived closer so I could come see your layout in person.  It looks awesome!

 ;D ;D ;D




Bruce


Thank you for following the thread and if you are ever in this part of the country I would love to have you visit the S&S RR.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 02, 2020, 08:31:15 AM
Looks great John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 08:36:45 AM
Update: Slow progress the last couple weeks, when I can get in the train room I have been adding rafter ends to the Swakhammer and Fox Run builds. I'm hoping to get more time for the layout later next week.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:23:31 PM
The shipping and receiving department on the S&S RR just informed me that we have a very special delivery from Mr. Bob Butts.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:32:54 PM
I took pictures as I unboxed the build, so we could see how the packaging did for protecting the precious cargo. Bob shipped the package through UPS. The great news is it arrived without damage! The following pictures show how Bob packaged it.  Let me know if you have any questions.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040120122540.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:34:48 PM
Bob made a 1/2 thick foam core board box that was basically a box inside a box with bubble wrap in-between.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
The inside box.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:36:01 PM



First look!



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:36:33 PM
Removing the sides from the inner box.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040120122812.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:36:53 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040120122846.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 12:37:52 PM
Bob


Thank you so much for contributing your talents to the S&S RR.  I will try to post some pictures of the build on the layout latter in the day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Bruce Oberleitner on January 04, 2020, 12:51:19 PM
OMG!
That is just beautiful!  What a cool looking model.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Rail and Tie on January 04, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
Jeez!. I thought you got a giant finger shipped to you LOL!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on January 04, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
You are such a lucky guy to receive this fantastic structure.  Now Bob Butts owns real estate on the Superior & Seattle Railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on January 04, 2020, 01:47:59 PM
Great day, John!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on January 04, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
Glad to see the structure made it undamaged!  Good job packing, Bob B!!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 04:21:54 PM
OMG!
That is just beautiful!  What a cool looking model.

 ::) ::) ::)





Bruce


It sure is! Thank you for following the S&S RR build thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
Jeez!. I thought you got a giant finger shipped to you LOL!


Darryl


Who ever posed for that hand shot was no modeler. It would take hours in photo shop to make my hands look like that.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
You are such a lucky guy to receive this fantastic structure.  Now Bob Butts owns real estate on the Superior & Seattle Railroad.


I sure am a lucky guy and yes - Bob now owns a city block of the town of Sellios on the S&S RR. I placed the build in the approximate location and took some pictures.  I will get them posted soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 04:25:54 PM
Great day, John!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Yes it is.  Thank you for stopping by.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 04:27:14 PM
Glad to see the structure made it undamaged!  Good job packing, Bob B!!


dave


Bob did do an excellent job of packing.  And an even better job of building the kit.  Thanks again Bob.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 04:36:12 PM
Here is a quick overview shot of the location where "Bob's" Avram's build will be located. There will be a number of structures behind it in the pink foam area.  The exact structures and elevation change is in the planning stage, but I know that a modified version of Baxter's Lumber Supply will be located between Avram's and Vogel's Machine shop up on the hill. This will be the East end of the town of Sellios a sister town to VanGelder on the South side of the river. If you slide over on the picture you can see the location I have picked for the C.C. Crow church that I built for the challenge a couple years ago. It will be right next to the river.


(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040120162838.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on January 04, 2020, 05:05:37 PM
Hey John:

Looks really great keep the photo coming.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on January 04, 2020, 05:51:26 PM
Beautiful modeling from Bob.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 05:51:46 PM
Hey John:

Looks really great keep the photo coming.

Karl


Karl


Thank you, I took some detail pictures that I will get posted as soon as possible. The glue is drying on the two small repairs that I needed to make - one lamp post down, and one brace on the sign let loose. The model traveled remarkably well. Bob sent along some details that I will add as soon as I get the final placement determined.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on January 04, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
Whew..... 

I'm very happy to see it survived the trip!   :D  :D  :D  I'm honored to now have a build on John's layout.  I'm lucky to have several friends who have wonderful layouts so the stuff I build can be enjoyed by someone rather than stashed away on a shelf in my garage.

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments!  I really appreciate them! 

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 05:52:46 PM
Beautiful modeling from Bob.


It sure is Curt. I'm very excited to add it to the RR.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 05:54:59 PM
Whew..... 

I'm very happy to see it survived the trip!   :D :D :D  I'm honored to now have a build on John's layout.  I'm lucky to have several friends who have wonderful layouts so the stuff I build can be enjoyed by someone rather than stashed away on a shelf in my garage.

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments!  I really appreciate them!


Thank you Bob!


One question - I found a pipe loose in the box - you can see it in the picture on the front corner - laying in the street.  Any idea where it came from? I will have some close up pictures later where you can see it better.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on January 04, 2020, 05:58:05 PM
Whew..... 

I'm very happy to see it survived the trip!   :D :D :D  I'm honored to now have a build on John's layout.  I'm lucky to have several friends who have wonderful layouts so the stuff I build can be enjoyed by someone rather than stashed away on a shelf in my garage.

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments!  I really appreciate them!


Thank you Bob!


One question - I found a pipe loose in the box - you can see it in the picture on the front corner - laying in the street.  Any idea where it came from? I will have some close up pictures later where you can see it better.

Yes.  That's one of the two pipes that come out of the building an drop down into the, no longer use, water tank in the rear of the building.  Per the instructions I only spot glued them onto the wall of the building.  In hindsight I should have drilled a hole in the wall for each and glued them in the hole. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on January 04, 2020, 06:00:07 PM
Here you go.  I found a picture of the pipes in place.
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/56-290919113146-405341009.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 04, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
Here you go.  I found a picture of the pipes in place.
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/56-290919113146-405341009.jpeg)


Bob



That's it.  I found one, so I have one MIA pipe.  I kept all the packaging so I will look for it. Easy to replace if I can't find it. Thank you.






Update: I went through the packaging and found the second pipe so all parts are accounted for.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 05, 2020, 02:43:19 PM
Here are a couple more photographs that I took of my test fit of the Avram's build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050120144025.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050120144110.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 06, 2020, 12:18:46 PM
The picture above is the corner of Butts and Main, in the town of Sellios, on the S&S RR. I fixed the three shipping damage issues just after I took the pictures.  Bob sure did an amazing job on this build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on January 06, 2020, 01:02:41 PM
Believe it or not there's an Eileen Butts Street in Ormond Beach, FL.  That's my wife's name.   ;D  We need to go over there someday and take a picture of her standing next to one of the street signs.

I'm certainly glad the damage was minimal.  It must have gotten tossed around a bit to shake some of those things loose.   :o
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on January 06, 2020, 01:40:07 PM
John,

It looks fantastic on the S&S RR.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 06, 2020, 01:49:20 PM
Believe it or not there's an Eileen Butts Street in Ormond Beach, FL.  That's my wife's name.   ;D  We need to go over there someday and take a picture of her standing next to one of the street signs.

I'm certainly glad the damage was minimal.  It must have gotten tossed around a bit to shake some of those things loose.   :o


Bob


I hope you and your wife make it up here so I can take your picture at the corner of Butts and Main.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 06, 2020, 01:50:22 PM
John,

It looks fantastic on the S&S RR.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, as you know Bob does great work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 08, 2020, 01:17:13 PM
I finished gluing on the rafter ends for the main building of the Swakhammer build. Final inspection, trimming, and touch up staining and I will be read to start adding the roofing.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080120131529.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 08, 2020, 01:17:33 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080120131054.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 08, 2020, 01:18:46 PM
Next up, rafter ends and cupolas on the Stone portion of the Swakhammer building.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on January 08, 2020, 02:24:00 PM
Hey John:

Both kits look just great. Love the colors. you glue your roofs down before adding the shingles. I do my shingles while the roofs are flat on the work bench. I find it much easier that way.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 08, 2020, 05:09:18 PM
Hey John:

Both kits look just great. Love the colors. you glue your roofs down before adding the shingles. I do my shingles while the roofs are flat on the work bench. I find it much easier that way.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the kind words. I just dry brushed the dark brown windows on the Swakhammer build with some titanium white and I think they look a lot better. I'll post some pictures.


As for shingles going on after the roof card is glued down or flat on the table - I have done it both ways.  I guess I like adding them better after the roof card is glued on because that's the way I have been doing it the last few years.  I can't think of any good reasons for one way or the other. I guess I like dealing with the seam lines on the roof like you would do it on the prototype.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 09, 2020, 08:12:37 PM
Today, I got the rafter ends on the Stone Building of Swakhammers.  Next up is the roofing materials.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090120200759.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on January 09, 2020, 08:15:22 PM
I love the way it came out John.........Dennis
P.S I hope mom's doing better?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 09, 2020, 08:28:03 PM
I love the way it came out John.........Dennis
P.S I hope mom's doing better?


Dennis


Thank you for the kind words.  Mom is doing better, thank you for asking.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on January 10, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
Looking good John.


Hope your Mom is feeling better.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Bruce Oberleitner on January 10, 2020, 11:45:28 AM
Hi John,
Nice looking build on the Swakhammers kit.  Like everyone else, I like the colors you chosen to use on the structure.

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 10, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
Looking good John.


Hope your Mom is feeling better.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words and thinking about my mom.  She is doing better - she is 87 in March so we need to keep a close eye on her.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 10, 2020, 02:35:11 PM
Hi John,
Nice looking build on the Swakhammers kit.  Like everyone else, I like the colors you chosen to use on the structure.

 8) 8) 8)


Bruce


Thank you for the kind words and for following along. I just took a break from adding roofing materials to check the forum. I was thinking about George Sellios and wondering if there was an update.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 10, 2020, 08:08:28 PM
The roofing has started on the Swakhammer's build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100120200649.jpeg)




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100120200712.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 10, 2020, 08:10:53 PM
You can see the difference the dry brushing with titanium white chalk made for the window and door castings.  The lighting is not good for the iPhone photographs - better pictures when I'm finished with the roofing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on January 11, 2020, 08:21:17 AM
Hey John:

The roof is looking just great. We all have our own methods.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 11, 2020, 11:15:46 AM
Hey John:

The roof is looking just great. We all have our own methods.

Karl
Karl


Thank you for the complements - yes we all trend towards what works for us. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 11, 2020, 07:59:19 PM
Today, I applied the metal roofing to the Stone portion of the Swakhammer's build. I'm letting it dry overnight and then I will start the coloring process.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110120195623.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 11, 2020, 08:02:23 PM
Another little project, today - I made strip wood test samples for each of the Hunterline Stains in my stash.  I wanted a quick way to make color choices. I will just add new sample sticks as I add colors to my collection.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110120195510.jpeg)


Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 11, 2020, 08:07:41 PM
The white roof on the pictures above really messed up my iPhone picture settings - the walls are no where near as dark as they appear in the pictures.  It will be interesting to see what the phone camera does once the roof is colored.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on January 12, 2020, 12:23:45 PM
John, stick a piece of white cardboard somewhere in the picture (next to the building, etc) next time.  Then you can use most photo correction software to set the "white balance" on that piece of card.

The problem is that cameras want by default to set the median color to 18% grey, if I remember my photo correction theory correctly.

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 12, 2020, 09:03:10 PM
John, stick a piece of white cardboard somewhere in the picture (next to the building, etc) next time.  Then you can use most photo correction software to set the "white balance" on that piece of card.

The problem is that cameras want by default to set the median color to 18% grey, if I remember my photo correction theory correctly.

dave


Dave


Thank you for the tip.  Every once in a while the iPhones really find a way to mess up the exposer and they always tend to make colors brighter than reality. I usually post process my pictures to tone them down when I'm taking pictures of models.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on January 13, 2020, 08:13:02 AM
Hey John:

It's coming along nicely. Can't wait to see the colors on this roof.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Hey John:

It's coming along nicely. Can't wait to see the colors on this roof.

Karl


Thank you Karl.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
Here is a little better picture of the stone part of the structure with the white metal roofing.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130120104222.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
I also got a good start on the shingles on the other part of the main structure.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130120104252.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130120104332.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130120104403.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 10:52:50 AM
I also got started on the LED lighting.  I'm installing an arc welding simulator in the stone building.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130120104437.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on January 13, 2020, 11:17:06 AM
Very nice John.  The last picture the stonework is beautiful.
And the shingles aren't to shabby either!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on January 13, 2020, 12:39:20 PM
I -really miss- the Paper Creek line.  I wish that had continued after the original owner/creator got sick.

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 05:15:36 PM
Very nice John.  The last picture the stonework is beautiful.
And the shingles aren't to shabby either!!


Jerry




Jerry


Thank you, I think it will all look better after the dry brushing and detailing, but I'm happy with it at this point.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 13, 2020, 05:19:41 PM
I -really miss- the Paper Creek line.  I wish that had continued after the original owner/creator got sick.

dave


Yes - another thing I wish I would have bought more of when I could.  I'm getting close to the end of my supply.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 14, 2020, 07:28:06 AM
Here is a photograph of the work that is going on in the future site of the town of Sellios.  I'm raising the mainline through town by 3/4 of inch. I'm also creating some negative elevation change by cutting through the benchwork from my original layout. The river bed has been lowered by 1 1/2 inches. A water tight base board will be attached underneath to form the riverbed.  I will be able to have elevation changes throughout the town of 6 1/2 inches.  I think it's going to make things a lot more interesting. Each of the 3/4 inch plywood building site bases that you see is removable, so it can go to the workbench for construction. The elevation can be adjusted by shims resting on the original layout benchwork you see along the bank of the riverbed. As the design progresses, I will post some of the pictures I have marked up on my iPad.  I think I enjoy the design aspect of this as much as the build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140120072228.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on January 14, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
John,

The town of Sellios will be interesting with the elevation changes. The raised roadbed is a great idea and change. Great stuff here my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 14, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
John,

The town of Sellios will be interesting with the elevation changes. The raised roadbed is a great idea and change. Great stuff here my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  I'm really enjoying the design process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on January 14, 2020, 04:29:42 PM
Really coming along nicely John!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 15, 2020, 07:32:58 AM
Really coming along nicely John!


Mark


Thank you for the kind words and for following along. I hope to make some more progress, today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 08:32:43 AM
It's good to see the pictures back in this thread! I will try to post some updates later today.  It looks like Jimmy still has the gallery turned off so I will try posting directly and see if I can get good results. Stay tuned. Jimmy good luck in finding out what has been causing our data base problems.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
Yesterday, I completed the roofing process on the main structures for Swakhammers.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 08:54:23 AM
The post above is using my MacBook Pro - you have to click on the picture to see any detail. This is the reason I have always used the gallery to post my pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on January 16, 2020, 03:40:27 PM
Nice roof John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 04:38:03 PM
Nice roof John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 07:55:53 PM
I have also been working on the mainline in the town of Sellios, getting ready to plant the wonderful Avram's build from Bob Butts.  Here are a few progress pictures.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 07:57:20 PM
The hole has been cut for the baseboard that Bob used.  Now I need to do some shimming to get the track at the correct level to match my new track level.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 07:58:41 PM
The plant location for Avram's.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 16, 2020, 08:00:03 PM
An overall view of the space that will become the town of Sellios.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on January 17, 2020, 09:14:17 AM
John the pictures are great.


Nice job on that roof.


And the town of Sellios is shaping up nicely.


Looking forward to new developments in the town.  As always beautiful work.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 17, 2020, 12:55:06 PM
John the pictures are great.


Nice job on that roof.


And the town of Sellios is shaping up nicely.


Looking forward to new developments in the town.  As always beautiful work.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words and for following along. My plan is to complete the structures and scenery for the Eagles Nest Yard, and then start working on more of the structures for Sellios. I do plan on a Brick Roundhouse build for the Superior Yard after I complete what is on my workbench.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 17, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
For the past couple of days I have been taking progress pictures but I'm hold off posting until I get the green light from Jimmy on the forum repairs.  How is it going Jimmy?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 19, 2020, 09:18:16 AM
Update: It looks like Jimmy turned the gallery back on but I'm still having issues.  I can add pictures to the gallery but when I try to display them I only get about 1/3 of the page.  The blowup of the picture and the BB code that I cut and paste into my threads for the pictures is not showing up. More help please, Jimmy!


My 2 cents on the database error is that it seemed to go away for me on my iPad and iPhone with the latest upgrade to the operating system. I have never had a problem with my MacBook Pro.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 20, 2020, 09:01:58 PM
The Gallery is back - Thank you Jimmy!



(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180120142632.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 20, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
The picture above is a progress picture on the Swankhammer's build that I had loaded in the Gallery.  I will update the thread and get caught up in the next few days. Thank you Jimmy for all the hard work you do keeping the forum going. I will sleep better knowing we have the gallery back. ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:11:24 PM
Update:  It's been a week or so since I have actually updated this thread. First, the track work changes for the town of Sellios and planting the Avram's Bakery build that Bob Butts built for the S&S RR.


It all got started like this - a true build thread progress picture.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120104325.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:15:13 PM
The changes accomplished four things, raised the mainline track level 3/4 of inch. widened the river and lowered the river level 1 and 1/2 inches, changed the path of the river, and planted the Bob Butts Avram's Bakery build.




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120104740.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:17:40 PM
Establishing the level for the Avram's build is easy. I just remove the baseboard in that area and shim it to the 2x4 frame to establish the correct level for the siding track.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120104855.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:18:29 PM
Add a few holes for the LED wires.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120105000.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:22:56 PM
Levels corrected, just need to screw everything down and add the cork roadbed and track.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120152138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
Each of the builds that will make up the town of Sellios will be added in the same way. I can now add negative elevation or go up from the mainline as required.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:32:25 PM
This change in the mainline also allows me to put the tortoise machines in from the top as I mentioned earlier in this thread.  Here is another installation - so much easier than climbing underneath the layout to install them from underneath. I just cover the hole with a piece of cardboard and add the sand and ballast.  A picture shows me where to find the screws if I need to replace the turnout or the tortoise machine in the future.  In most cases I could get at the tortoise machine from underneath, if necessary.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120110712.jpeg)




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:37:02 PM
I also made some progress with the Swakhammer's (now Grandpa John after my dad) Welding build.  Here is were I'm at today.  I need to go back and see if I need to add some progress pictures. The main structure has been added to the baseboard and I'm ready to start adding all those wonderful details.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120105104.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 03:43:06 PM
Here is a picture of the LED installation just before I added the structures to the baseboard.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120154202.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 04:53:57 PM
A couple different angles of the main structures. These are my markup photos before I start the detailing work.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120164050.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210120164012.jpeg)




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on January 21, 2020, 06:28:22 PM
I find that an 'oscillating saw' (this is the one I have:  https://www.amazon.com/Rockwell-RK5151K-Sonicrafter-Oscillating-Oscillation/dp/B01HD4EQTG ) is proving to be a great tool for working on the layout.  Today I used mine to cut a hole in the splines to drop in a coal pit.   They work well in close quarters and cut through just about everything (including screws/nails) pretty effortlessly. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 21, 2020, 07:34:38 PM
I find that an 'oscillating saw' (this is the one I have:  https://www.amazon.com/Rockwell-RK5151K-Sonicrafter-Oscillating-Oscillation/dp/B01HD4EQTG (https://www.amazon.com/Rockwell-RK5151K-Sonicrafter-Oscillating-Oscillation/dp/B01HD4EQTG) ) is proving to be a great tool for working on the layout.  Today I used mine to cut a hole in the splines to drop in a coal pit.   They work well in close quarters and cut through just about everything (including screws/nails) pretty effortlessly. 


dave


Dave


That is a good idea. It is actually one tool I don't own.  Especially for making modifications like I'm doing now.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on January 21, 2020, 09:01:05 PM
John, What is the size of your layout and the main line height? Thanks Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: FandSM Engineer on January 21, 2020, 09:29:55 PM
John, What is the size of your layout and the main line height? Thanks Dennis

Dennis

My layout started in a room that was 20 feet by 20 feet (Phase I), then came phase II  and III another 20 feet by 40 feet. Then this summer I added another 20 by 20 feet (Phase IV - the Superior Yard). So I guess that makes 1600 square feet but my workshop is part of that space. The basement is a little over 2600 square feet but I will not have another expansion until what I have started is complete.  As for the height, it's a mountain layout so there is a lot of elevation change - the lowest mainline is at 46 inches and the highest mainline is at 57 inches off the floor.  There is a Narrow Gauge Branchline at a maximum of 64 inches off the floor.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on January 21, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
WOW!!!!! Thank you sir........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 22, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
WOW!!!!! Thank you sir........Dennis


Dennis


I have a lot of structure builds and scenery work ahead of me to get this done.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on January 22, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
John, It's a great looking layout and I hope to do a build with you as soon as I can get this thing building. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 23, 2020, 07:12:39 AM
John, It's a great looking layout and I hope to do a build with you as soon as I can get this thing building. Dennis


Dennis


I'm looking forward to seeing your layout start to come together. Remember that it's a long journey and you need to enjoy all the steps.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 23, 2020, 11:19:38 AM
Here is a panorama view of the site for the town of Sellios and the sister town of VanGelder (south side of the river).
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 23, 2020, 11:22:34 AM
Test of large picture setting



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 23, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
The three pictures above are posted with my iPad using the small, medium, and large picture settings in photos. I will be using the large so you can see some detail when you click on the picture to blow it up. I think the gallery is a much better way to post pictures - if you want to take the small amount of time it takes to load the pictures in the gallery.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 23, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
Update on the Swakhammer build: Starting to add the detail castings to the main structure.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230120203804.jpeg)




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 23, 2020, 08:43:35 PM
Update on the Fox Run Build: The baseboard has been moved back to my workbench in preparation for the detailing process.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230120203834.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 24, 2020, 09:11:48 PM
A few more details where added to the Swakhammer build, today.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240120210025.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 24, 2020, 09:12:05 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on January 25, 2020, 04:47:37 AM
Hey John:

Your build is looking just beautiful. Keep the pic coming.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 25, 2020, 07:16:56 AM
Hey John:

Your build is looking just beautiful. Keep the pic coming.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along and the complements. It's all about the details, many more to come.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on January 25, 2020, 07:24:11 AM
That L shaped galvanized pipe looks perfect!  How did you do that?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 25, 2020, 02:53:58 PM
That L shaped galvanized pipe looks perfect!  How did you do that?


dave


David


The galvanized piping and roof vents are all castings that were supplied with the kit.  I primed them with grey primer and then added two different shades of grey chalk - first coat is put on with alcohol to get a good coating. Then dry chalk is added over the top - two slightly different shades. I will be adding some rust highlights so they don't look like the building was just built.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 25, 2020, 07:11:27 PM
I spent most of my time today working on the mainline track changes, but I did add a few more details to the Swakhammer build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250120190530.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 26, 2020, 07:12:21 PM
After working on my F&SM track side pictures thread I turned my Swakhammer's build around to add all the details to the back side. I originally was thinking about only adding the details to the front, visible to the viewer, side of the buildings. The only builds that can get away with that, now with cameras mounted in rolling stock, is the structures that are right up against the backdrop with no track work in-between. It is all about the details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on January 26, 2020, 08:43:41 PM
Beautiful build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 26, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
Beautiful build.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 27, 2020, 07:55:12 PM
Update:  The back side details are going on the Swakhammer's build.  It needs to look good when the camera goes by on the mainline behind it. ;)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270120195232-427151122.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 27, 2020, 07:56:03 PM
The track work is going in for the town of Sellios.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270120195233-42717416.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 27, 2020, 08:17:52 PM
While I'm working on track work improvements I also have a mainline shift and sidings going in for the Locomotive Works and Brownsville Depot (a build that's getting close to the top of my list), in the Eagles Nest Yard.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270120201512.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 27, 2020, 08:21:01 PM
I will be using servo motors to control the turnouts in this area.  The holes in the facia that you see are for the motors, a wire runs from the servo motor to the turnout.  I will take some pictures tomorrow. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 27, 2020, 08:23:36 PM
The track laying crew is limited by the number of weights I have available. I put down as much track as I have weights for and then go back to structure building. I really like going back and forth between projects. 


The phone call from George Sellios really put a spring in my step, this morning. See


http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4952.msg133769;topicseen#new


for the details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on January 27, 2020, 09:34:21 PM
My God I can't believe this layout. Thanks my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on January 28, 2020, 04:06:06 AM
Swakhammers looks awesome, John!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 28, 2020, 09:07:34 AM
My God I can't believe this layout. Thanks my friend.


Dennis


Thank you for following along and the kind words. I have a lot of work to do before it will start getting that finished look.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 28, 2020, 09:12:17 AM
Swakhammers looks awesome, John!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the complement. It's getting there with the detailing - a lot of detailing work to go.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on January 28, 2020, 05:56:33 PM
Hey John:

the model and the RR look just great. Like how you did the roof details on the kit.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on January 28, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
Dang, John,

I gotta find a way to do a road trip over to your neck of the woods. Love the work you're doing. Maybe a weekend getaway that includes a visit to the Henry Ford Museum or Greenfield Village or something. Thx for sharing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 28, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
Dang, John,

I gotta find a way to do a road trip over to your neck of the woods. Love the work you're doing. Maybe a weekend getaway that includes a visit to the Henry Ford Museum or Greenfield Village or something. Thx for sharing.


Vince


Thank you for the kind words and I would love to have you visit.  The Henry Ford and Greenfield Village have a lot of railroad history displays.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on January 31, 2020, 05:00:00 PM
Update: I decided to concentrate on my track work changes for the next few days to try and get everything running again. I may have some visitors in February and want to have the layout in a unable state. It just means that the structure builds will be on the back burner for a while. I will still add a piece here and there to have a sit down job. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 01, 2020, 05:58:41 PM
Update: I made a lot of progress on the track work, today. I expanded the work to change the way the sidings will work in the waterfront area of the layout.  There's always a better idea. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:22:07 PM
Today, I got the last section of track glued down for the Town of Sellios track work changes.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020220182639-428291194.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:26:46 PM
Here is a picture from a little farther out - I get to use all the tools on this job. ;)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020220182641-428302304.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:31:47 PM
In addition to the track work I'm adding all the electronics in this area.  The computer boards are going in little drawers in the facia. The turnout controls will also be located in the facia.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020220182642-428311177.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
The electronics drawers - will be held in with four screws.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020220182637-428261249.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:33:54 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020220182638-428281158.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:36:03 PM
You will also notice that I added a top rail that will help protect the layout and also serve as a guardrail if anything ends up off the track.  This rail will be painted the dark green color that I used for the facia.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 02, 2020, 08:39:11 PM
A process picture of the track changes around the Locomotive Works.


 (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020220182854-428341601.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 03, 2020, 08:08:09 PM
Update:  Today, I added about 6 sections of track and then started adding the tortoise machines that will control all of the turnouts in the new track and in the Eagles Nest Yard area.  This is going to be a big job - there are a lot of turnouts. :o
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on February 04, 2020, 12:22:35 AM
Great update John.


Just a lot to take in your coming along just fine.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Judge on February 04, 2020, 06:14:50 AM
John - I cannot help but comment.  Yellow is probably my favorite color.  You have made it blend into your scenes remarkably well.  We don't get fall colors down here in the swamp so my appreciation of what you have done is doubled.  Keep it going!  Did the GN ever have a yellow caboose? 

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 04, 2020, 08:52:37 AM
Great update John.


Just a lot to take in your coming along just fine.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the nice comments.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 04, 2020, 05:21:22 PM
John - I cannot help but comment.  Yellow is probably my favorite color.  You have made it blend into your scenes remarkably well.  We don't get fall colors down here in the swamp so my appreciation of what you have done is doubled.  Keep it going!  Did the GN ever have a yellow caboose?


Judge


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  I just love the fall time and especially the aspens in the mountains. In Michigan we have both the aspens and the maples and oaks to give us lots of different colors. 


As for a yellow caboose we have one on the Superior and Seattle RR. We have equipment from all the railroads that serviced the Pacific Northwest all the way to the Lake Superior country of Michigan. It turns out that the Canadian Pacific RR had a yellow caboose.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 07, 2020, 07:56:19 PM
Update:  I have spent most of the past couple of days working on the track work changes.  I walk by my workbenches and add a detail once in a while so I thought I would post and update picture of the Swakhammer build (aka Grandpa John's Welding).


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070220195410-429552066.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 08, 2020, 08:51:34 AM
Very nice John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on February 08, 2020, 12:07:27 PM
Update:  I have spent most of the past couple of days working on the track work changes.  I walk by my workbenches and add a detail once in a while so I thought I would post and update picture of the Swakhammer build (aka Grandpa John's Welding).


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070220195410-429552066.jpeg)

Oh yea, that's what I'm talkin' about! Vintage FSM. Great job, John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 08, 2020, 12:50:40 PM
Very nice John.


Curt


Thank you, this is a great kit.  I have little detail assemblies under construction all over my work bench, today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 08, 2020, 12:54:00 PM
Update:  I have spent most of the past couple of days working on the track work changes.  I walk by my workbenches and add a detail once in a while so I thought I would post and update picture of the Swakhammer build (aka Grandpa John's Welding).


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070220195410-429552066.jpeg)

Oh yea, that's what I'm talkin' about! Vintage FSM. Great job, John.


Vince


It sure is Vintage FSM - thank you for the kind words.  I haven't even put a dent in the detail castings yet. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 09, 2020, 02:42:20 PM
Update: I have spent most of the last couple of days working on track work modifications. I will post pictures when I get it completed.  I'm still working on the structures but a few minutes at a time. I will sit at my workbench long enough to glue a few pieces together and then head back to the track work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on February 10, 2020, 07:00:12 AM
Great progress John! 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 10, 2020, 09:00:42 PM
Great progress John!


Mark


Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on February 13, 2020, 04:54:36 PM
Great work John

Doug
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 13, 2020, 07:24:49 PM
Great work John

Doug


Doug


Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I have't updated in a few days - I have been making a bunch of main line track changes that I need to do for the new and improved - evolved - design. I want to get all the track back in operation before the Grandkids next visit. I plan to take some picture and mark them up with some design notes when I'm finished. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on February 13, 2020, 11:05:28 PM
Multitasking as usual, John!

Nice progress all round.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 14, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Multitasking as usual, John!

Nice progress all round.

Cheers, Mark.


Hi Mark


Yes, Multitasking - it's just how I work. Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 15, 2020, 12:08:55 PM
I took some pictures of the track work changes. I hope to get them posted tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 15, 2020, 09:19:38 PM
Here is a picture of the future site of the town of Sellios after the track changes. The cornerstone of the town - Bob Butts Avrams build is in position. The town will grow around it.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150220205343-430651511.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: pbltrains on February 16, 2020, 01:57:02 AM
Nice work as always John.  I enjoy reading your updates.

Seth P.
Minnesota
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on February 16, 2020, 06:12:33 AM
Can't wait to see the town taking form.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on February 16, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!! that gonna be a beautiful scene when its done. Can't wait to see what you do with it.

karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on February 16, 2020, 10:38:27 AM
What a great looking start to the town.  Can't wait to see what you do with this area.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 16, 2020, 08:21:40 PM
Nice work as always John.  I enjoy reading your updates.

Seth P.
Minnesota


Seth


Thank you for the kind words and for following along. I sure enjoyed visiting your wonderful layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 16, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
Can't wait to see the town taking form.


Jan


Thank you for stopping by the thread.  This will be the next big area that I will be working on after the Eagles Nest Yard is complete.  I'm doing a lot of design work on my iPad to get ready. It will take a lot of structure builds to complete this town. The area on the South side of the river will be called VanGelder and on the North Side is Sellios.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 16, 2020, 09:57:21 PM
Hey John:

WOW!!! that gonna be a beautiful scene when its done. Can't wait to see what you do with it.

karl


Karl


This is a big area - there will be a lot of structure builds in my future to complete it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 16, 2020, 09:58:39 PM
What a great looking start to the town.  Can't wait to see what you do with this area.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and stay tuned - as always I will post progress pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 17, 2020, 09:55:52 AM
I took some pictures for a future project and thought I would share them.  This is the Isaac's Mountain area of the layout.  The background mountains are in and I just rerouted the mainline through the area.  I'm working on some design sketches for the area when I'm traveling and a clay mockup of the area is planned to confirm the design. This will be a waterfront scene with the town "think Franklin" on the mountain side.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170220094711-430882004.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 17, 2020, 09:56:57 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170220094709-43086332.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 17, 2020, 10:05:35 AM
Imagine a light house on the point, a shipyard, and structures with a switchback road up the mountainside. The highest level plateau has a narrow gauge line running through it. You can see a trestle that is installed on the far right of the first picture. It will be a couple years before we see construction in this area.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on February 17, 2020, 06:11:12 PM
Wow, John, cheez. Shades of John Allen. Looks great. Phenomenal.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Bruce Oberleitner on February 17, 2020, 06:59:30 PM
Wow, John, cheez. Shades of John Allen. Looks great. Phenomenal.

Can't agree more.  Amazing stuff John.  I can't wait to see what you come up with as I am sure it will be spectacular.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on February 17, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
this will be an amazing scene when you get the buildings placed.  Nice going
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 18, 2020, 08:23:26 AM
Wow, John, cheez. Shades of John Allen. Looks great. Phenomenal.


Vince


Wow - thank you for the kind words. It was reading the book on John Allen's life that got me into the hobby so many years ago - so there has to be an influence.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 18, 2020, 08:27:36 AM
Wow, John, cheez. Shades of John Allen. Looks great. Phenomenal.

Can't agree more.  Amazing stuff John.  I can't wait to see what you come up with as I am sure it will be spectacular.


Bruce


Thank you, I never know how it is going to come out but I have a plan. There is a lot of work/ "fun" before we will see how it turns out. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 18, 2020, 08:36:21 AM
this will be an amazing scene when you get the buildings placed.  Nice going


Steve


Thank you, stay tuned and we will see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 21, 2020, 06:52:14 PM
Update: Today, I spent some quality time running trains with the Grandkids. It was fun to watch my 18 month old Granddaughter get so excited about watching the trains.  Each of my Grandkids have a mountain named after them and always expect to see something new on their mountain when they visit.  Another fun way to share the hobby.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 23, 2020, 08:40:30 PM
A little more progress on the Swakhammer build, today.  Added the crane and started building the platforms.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230220202926-43227465.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on February 23, 2020, 10:39:41 PM

John,


Great looking structure, and the final detailing such as the crane is really making it special.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 24, 2020, 06:24:48 PM

John,


Great looking structure, and the final detailing such as the crane is really making it special.


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.  This build is getting done a few minutes at a time right now but progress is being made.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Oldguy on February 25, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
Holy cow!  And I'm frettin' over making a ditch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on February 25, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
John,

The Swakhammer build is looking fantastic. Very well done, really great.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2020, 07:36:45 AM
Holy cow!  And I'm frettin' over making a ditch.


Bob


Thank you for following along. It's all about the details and ditches are important.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2020, 07:40:38 AM
John,

The Swakhammer build is looking fantastic. Very well done, really great.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the complements and for following along. As you well know, the layout becomes more alive with every one of these builds. I really enjoy the process of tying them all together to make a railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on February 26, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
John,
 The S&S RR is really looking fantastic !
All your structures you built, the tracks you installed, the scenery to the ceiling , etc. is making this a thread not to miss to check on it's progress.
 Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2020, 10:40:23 PM
John,
 The S&S RR is really looking fantastic !
All your structures you built, the tracks you installed, the scenery to the ceiling , etc. is making this a thread not to miss to check on it's progress.
 Tommy


Tommy


Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along. One of the great things about doing these threads is I can look back and see where I was at with the RR a year ago or even 5 our more years ago.  I know I'm making progress but sometimes you need to take a step back to recognize it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 28, 2020, 10:08:17 PM
Today, I moved the Swakhammer and Fox Run builds back to their locations on the layout for final track placement. The track has been glued to the baseboards, and once the glue dries the baseboards will be moved back to my workbench for final detailing.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280220210548-43282836.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 28, 2020, 10:09:36 PM
I also setup the track work location for the next two builds in the Eagles Nest Yard Industrial complex.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on February 28, 2020, 11:14:12 PM
Wow, I cant believe the progress you have made John...........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on February 29, 2020, 06:21:30 AM
Great progress John!  Excellent work on the builds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 29, 2020, 09:26:24 AM
Wow, I cant believe the progress you have made John...........Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for stopping by the thread. I'm making progress but life is really getting in the way of modeling so far this year. Full steam ahead.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on February 29, 2020, 09:28:01 AM
Great progress John!  Excellent work on the builds.


Mark


Thank you for the kind words and following the thread. Progress is a little bit as often as we can.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 01, 2020, 08:41:17 PM
Today, the Swakhammer's build was moved back to my workbench with the track glued down to the baseboard.  Now, all of the details can be placed in their final position.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on March 02, 2020, 11:33:15 AM
Very cool John - I like all the elevation changes - this is gonna be nice...
Doug
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 02, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
Very cool John - I like all the elevation changes - this is gonna be nice...
Doug


Doug


Thank you for following along and the complements.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 07, 2020, 05:16:29 PM
Today, I'm working on the final track work changes to the Eagles Nest yard. Also, started adding all the tortoise machines and removing the temporary caboose ground throws.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2020, 04:20:58 PM
Update: For the next few days I will be spending a lot of time under the layout installing and wiring the tortoise machines for the Eagles Nest Yard. I have a few more track sections to install, as well. I keep moving between the yard and the builds on my workbenches.  My back can only stand so long under the layout. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on March 10, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
hey john:

Looks like you are really working hard. It looks just great.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on March 11, 2020, 05:36:48 AM
Wow!  Lots of work John, but it's really looking great!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 11, 2020, 08:52:13 AM
hey john:

Looks like you are really working hard. It looks just great.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for stopping by the thread and the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 12, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
Today, Grandpa John's Welding Company got a sign.  This structure is named after my dad who was called Grandpa John by my kids and everyone that knew him. He was a welder by trade and this is his shop on the S&S RR.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 12, 2020, 09:27:35 PM
I need to sleep on the yellow background of the sign. It looks a lot brighter in the pictures than it does to my eye on the workbench.  It may need some welding smoke.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on March 13, 2020, 08:54:38 AM
Hey John:

Looks beautiful so far.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on March 13, 2020, 07:23:41 PM
I need to sleep on the yellow background of the sign. It looks a lot brighter in the pictures than it does to my eye on the workbench.  It may need some welding smoke.



John,


Interesting how the camera renders what it captures differently than what we see.  Even so, toning down that yellow with a little chalk wouldn't be a bad idea.  Probably more people will be acquainted with your layout via photos than visiting in person.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 13, 2020, 07:30:55 PM
Hey John:

Looks beautiful so far.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - a little progress each day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 13, 2020, 07:33:00 PM
I need to sleep on the yellow background of the sign. It looks a lot brighter in the pictures than it does to my eye on the workbench.  It may need some welding smoke.



John,


Interesting how the camera renders what it captures differently than what we see.  Even so, toning down that yellow with a little chalk wouldn't be a bad idea.  Probably more people will be acquainted with your layout via photos than visiting in person.


Jerry


Thank you for following along and yes it does need to be toned down for photographs.  I have some test signs made to try a few things before I go for it on the sign already attached to the building.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 14, 2020, 09:28:49 PM
Update: The traveling crane is going in on the Grandpa John's Welding company build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 14, 2020, 09:31:44 PM
Also - made a first attempt on a spare sign to tone down the yellow background color.  In this case I used a A&I wash followed by the yellow chalk that I used to tone down the clapboard siding on the main structure. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 14, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
You will notice that the sign mounted on the building doesn't appear as bright yellow at this angle as it did in the previous picture.  My test sign does look better to me and I may take it a little further on my next test.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: madharry on March 15, 2020, 07:12:42 AM
Lovely modelling John, I particularly like the rockwork - stunning.

Mike
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 15, 2020, 04:52:09 PM
Lovely modelling John, I particularly like the rockwork - stunning.

Mike


Mike


Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 16, 2020, 09:51:48 PM
I made some more progress on the Grandpa John's Welding build today. I completed the traveling crane with appropriate quality control inspections. This picture is for Tom.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 16, 2020, 09:53:49 PM
I took these progress pictures just prior to starting to add the detail castings.  I also have to turn the baseboard on my workbench and build the stairway on the left side of the building.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 16, 2020, 09:54:25 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on March 17, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
The sign looks a lot better with some weathering.  You might want to consider some more fading, if it still looks a bit too stark to you.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on March 17, 2020, 10:53:33 AM

John,


I really like how this is coming together.  The crane really adds eye candy to an already beautiful model.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on March 17, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
Looks fantastic, John.

The timber work of the crane and the deck really brings the scene together.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 17, 2020, 08:57:22 PM
The sign looks a lot better with some weathering.  You might want to consider some more fading, if it still looks a bit too stark to you.


dave


Dave


Yes - the A&I toned it down a lot but I still plan on using some chalks to fade it a little more. A welding shop in the middle of a yard occupied by steam locomotives is not going to have a bright yellow sign.  At least not very long.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 17, 2020, 09:01:42 PM

John,


I really like how this is coming together.  The crane really adds eye candy to an already beautiful model.


Jerry


This kit, like all of George's kits, looks better and better as you add the details. I have a number of detail castings that didn't come with the kit that I will be adding.  A layer at a time until I decide it's time to quit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 17, 2020, 09:03:15 PM
Looks fantastic, John.

The timber work of the crane and the deck really brings the scene together.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the kind words. Now for the detail castings and a few more details. I have some stairs and railings that I need to add.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 20, 2020, 09:21:58 PM
Update:  I have been spending most of my time the last few days installing and wiring the turnout controls in the Eagles Nest Yard area of the layout.  All of the control boards are going into small drawers in the facia so they are easily accessible by removing a couple screws.  Here is a picture of just one of the may control panel drawers. This one happens to have a dual frog juicer board. Some have just one board and the largest one has more than a dozen. I primed all the cover panels with black primer.  The complete facia will get a fresh coat of the dark green paint when this project is completed.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 23, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
Official announcement S&S RR:  The spur track was completed today, to Avram's Bakery in the town of Sellios, allowing for rail traffic to commence.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on March 23, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
John, Wow!!!!! That's a Beautiful job..... Your work just  top quality to me and other's.......Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on March 24, 2020, 10:20:39 AM
Splendid John, your layout will surely be one of the "you have to see it" , in the model railroad community.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on March 24, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Splendid John, your layout will surely be one of the "you have to see it" , in the model railroad community.

Yep - you said it. So much to see with all the craftsman kits, the towering, mountainous terrain, the overall fit and finish of benchwork and fascia. Truly spectacular. I will definitely figure out how to schedule a field trip from Chicago to Detroit sometime in the next year or two (John willing, of course).
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on March 24, 2020, 11:11:49 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!!!! beautiful job on Avrams. I built it not to long ago. It's A great kit.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 24, 2020, 04:36:23 PM
John, Wow!!!!! That's a Beautiful job..... Your work just  top quality to me and other's.......Dennis


This is the Avram's build that Bob Butt's sent to me a few weeks back. Now that the track is in it is officially part of the railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 24, 2020, 04:37:40 PM
Splendid John, your layout will surely be one of the "you have to see it" , in the model railroad community.


Thank you Jan.  I hope you get a chance to visit some day. After we get rid of the virus.  ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 24, 2020, 04:42:05 PM
Splendid John, your layout will surely be one of the "you have to see it" , in the model railroad community.

Yep - you said it. So much to see with all the craftsman kits, the towering, mountainous terrain, the overall fit and finish of benchwork and fascia. Truly spectacular. I will definitely figure out how to schedule a field trip from Chicago to Detroit sometime in the next year or two (John willing, of course).


Vince


Thank you for the kind words.  I hope you do find the time to come for a visit. As soon as I get the structures complete for the Eagles nest yard, I think I have four or five builds left, I will be starting on the rest of the builds for the town of Sellios. I hope to get all the mainline back up and running in the next few days.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 24, 2020, 04:43:31 PM
Hey John:

WOW!!!!! beautiful job on Avrams. I built it not to long ago. It's A great kit.

Karl


Karl


As I mentioned above, all of the credit for the Avram's build goes to Bob Butts. He did a wonderful job on the build and it's now linked to the mainline for service.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on March 24, 2020, 05:27:30 PM
It's great to see Avram's safe and sound in it's new home.  That was a fun build and I'm quite happy it's located somewhere where it can be enjoyed.   ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on March 24, 2020, 05:54:04 PM
It's great to see Avram's safe and sound in it's new home.  That was a fun build and I'm quite happy it's located somewhere where it can be enjoyed.   ;D


Avram's looks dang great there John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 24, 2020, 06:59:19 PM
It's great to see Avram's safe and sound in it's new home.  That was a fun build and I'm quite happy it's located somewhere where it can be enjoyed.   ;D


Bob


Thank you again for building it - I thought you would like to see it in it's new home.  The town of Sellios will grow up around it over the coming years. I spent most of today under the layout connecting wires.  I have a few more days of work to do and then all the changes will be operational. I'm also switching from manual ground throws to tortoise switch machines for the turnouts so there is a lot of work going on under the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 25, 2020, 08:52:48 PM
It's great to see Avram's safe and sound in it's new home.  That was a fun build and I'm quite happy it's located somewhere where it can be enjoyed.   ;D


Avram's looks dang great there John.


Tom


Thank you Tom.  I'm sure you would have found a great place for it, too.  ;)  It sure is an honor to have one of Bob's great builds on my layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 25, 2020, 09:06:47 PM
A tool tip:  As I'm finishing up a couple builds - my Grandpa John's Welding Company (aka FSM 's Swakhammer's) and my FSM Coaling tower - I though I would share a tool that I have really enjoyed using on my last few builds. I bought these glue applicators as part of a promotional deal from Rockler. They are made of silicone rubber and basically replace the box of toothpicks that I would usually go through on big build.  Because of the rubber they really work well for both application and cleanup of glue joints. As soon as the glue sets it just pops off the tool so it is self cleaning.  I like them so well that I bought a couple more packs so I can try to keep one set on each workbench. Notice I said try - I just redistributed them - I had them all on the workbench where I'm building the Welding Company. :-[


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 25, 2020, 09:17:38 PM
Here is a picture of the glue bottles I'm using from the same company.  I'm sure you can find them made by other companies.  I think I paid about $5 - 7 for a set of three. I have also bought the silicone gluing pads for my workbenches. 




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on March 25, 2020, 09:49:16 PM
Bob,You did a Beautiful job.....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 09:11:33 AM
Bob,You did a Beautiful job.....Dennis


Dennis




Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 07:39:40 PM
Today, I added the first layer of dirt to the baseboard on my Grandpa John's Welding Company build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 07:40:23 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 07:40:44 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 07:41:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
As soon as the glue dries it will be time to add all those wonderful detail castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on March 26, 2020, 07:58:24 PM
Coming together like a dream, John!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2020, 08:08:44 PM
Coming together like a dream, John!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you, yes - this is the part of the build where every move makes a difference. It's all about the details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on March 27, 2020, 07:54:16 AM
Hey John:

beautiful job so far.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on March 27, 2020, 11:51:13 PM
John, Beautiful job. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 28, 2020, 08:44:54 AM
Hey John:

beautiful job so far.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along and the kind words. I have been spending a lot of time the last couple weeks on the part of the layout you don't see - the wiring.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 28, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
John, Beautiful job. Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along and the complements.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on March 28, 2020, 10:28:03 AM
John another beautiful build.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 28, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
John another beautiful build.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: EricQuebec on March 28, 2020, 04:43:44 PM
Can't wait to see it on the layout..
Very noce build.
Eric
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:15:49 AM
Can't wait to see it on the layout..
Very noce build.
Eric


Eric


Thank you for the kind words.  I should have a picture with a test fit on the layout by this evening.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:30:51 AM
Grandpa John's Welding has spent a couple days on my detailing workbench getting fitted with those wonderful castings.  I got it to the point where I wanted a set of pictures to look for things that need changing - shinny spots etc. Here is a few progress pictures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:31:35 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:31:54 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:33:16 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:33:48 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:34:12 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:34:34 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:35:58 AM
Now for a trip to the layout and a few pictures under the layout lighting with with the background scenery. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:36:21 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:36:47 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:37:05 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:37:39 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
The bare plywood to the right of baseboard really messed up the iPhone camera - I need to take a day and get the SLR camera out and do my yearly layout progress photographs.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on March 30, 2020, 09:45:53 AM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on March 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Looks really nice, John. Great execution on what is probably my top two or three FSM kits (G. Wilikers also on that list)

Looks like you're using a relatively thin piece of foamcore for the base. Is that true? Has it been stable for you?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 08:05:50 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Dennis


Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
Looks really nice, John. Great execution on what is probably my top two or three FSM kits (G. Wilikers also on that list)

Looks like you're using a relatively thin piece of foamcore for the base. Is that true? Has it been stable for you?


Vince


Thank you for the kind words.  You will be happy to know that two of your top three FSM kits will be side by side on the S&S RR.  G. Wilikers will be to the right of Grandpa John's Welding Company.  I plan on finishing up the Fox Run Milling build that is on my workbench and then I will be building a large stone roundhouse for the new section of the layout.  Once that is off the workbenches I will be starting G. Wilikers.


The thin foam board is gator board and it's 3/16 inch thick.  It works fine on the workbench but I mount it to a 3/4 inch exterior grade plywood baseboard when it goes on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2020, 08:12:08 PM
I was asked to explain in some detail my process for creating the touch toggle control panels in the new section of the layout. Since one of my current projects is to replace the manual ground throws in the older section of the layout with tortoise machines and touch controls I will be taking progress pictures to help to explain my process.  This is just the way I do it - it is not the only way. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2020, 08:50:13 PM
To start with here is an overview picture of control panel number 7 installation. The little cart you see in the picture is what I use to get around under the layout. Crawling on my knees on floor is no longer an option - my knee let me know real quickly what a bad idea that is. So I have shown this cart before in this build thread series but that cart plays a big role in my control panel design.  My control panels - at least one in each section of the layout also serves as a grab bar so I can pull my self up from a few inches off the floor to a standing position without rolling off the little cart on to my knees.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2020, 09:06:10 PM
I wonder how many miles a have on the little cart? As you can see, in addition to sitting up, I can also lean the back down and use it like a creeper. The control panel is built in four layers. The first layer is a piece of 1/2 plywood held in place with glued and screwed 2x4 braces.  I can do chin ups on this thing. The second layer is 3/16 inch foam core board that is the thickness of the touch toggle buttons. The third layer is a paper printout of the track plan scaled to fit the control panel. And the fourth layer is a Plexiglas panel for the surface of the control panel.  I'm using 1/16 inch thick Plexiglass.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2020, 09:08:37 PM
Here is a view from the top.  The bracing will all be boxed in and painted the dark green facia color when it is finished.


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I use oak moldings to construct the frame that holds the four layers together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2020, 09:43:34 PM
Once I get the three layers in place I cutout square pockets in the foam board for the touch toggle switches. This holds them in place. The markup layout diagram that I use for this has squares printed on it the size of the touch toggle switches - so a few minutes with a #11 and you have a control panel board.  I drill holes big enough for the connectors in the plywood for the wires to pass through. Holes are then drilled through the benchwork to route the wiring to the little drawer that holds all the control boards. I changed the sizing between the markup sheet that I used for the holes and the one I used for the touch toggles so I have a few holes that are not aligned properly but the wires don't care.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
Here is a picture of the control panel drawer with the boards and labels - just before I put it in place.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2020, 09:49:16 PM
Here is the control drawer in place and the wires starting to get pulled.  ;)  I have a few connections to make and more tortoise machines to install. 


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Tomorrow maybe some power up pictures. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 01, 2020, 10:10:57 PM
Very nice job Sir John. I'm watching...Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on April 02, 2020, 07:11:27 AM
Really like those Touch Toggle switches , so neat and tidy , as is your wiring.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 02, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
Very nice job Sir John. I'm watching...Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for the complement and for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 02, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
Really like those Touch Toggle switches , so neat and tidy , as is your wiring.


Thank you Jan.  The worst part is mounting the tortoise machines under the layout - but I think it's going to be worth it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 02, 2020, 10:03:26 PM
I powered up panel number 7, today.  We have 19 working switches. I have 11 of the 19 tortoise machines installed, so tomorrow will be tortoise machine installation day.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 02, 2020, 10:20:07 PM
John, That's very impressive. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 03, 2020, 04:05:35 PM
Hey John:

Looks great have fun with the switch machines.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 03, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
Dennis and Karl


Thank you for stopping by the thread and the words of encouragement.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 03, 2020, 07:34:26 PM
Today, I completed the control panel - except for painting - and continued hooking up tortoise machines. I have 8 more machines to install and wire and then it will be on to the control panel and servo motors that will control the North End of the yard.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 04, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
I'm going to try Bob Parishes tip of holding the tortoise machines in place with hot glue until you get the screws etc in place (see todays baggage car).   I sure can use another had putting in the tortoise machines.  I will report back this evening on how it goes.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 05, 2020, 12:39:34 PM
I'm going to try Bob Parishes tip of holding the tortoise machines in place with hot glue until you get the screws etc in place (see todays baggage car).   I sure can use another had putting in the tortoise machines.  I will report back this evening on how it goes.


So after 30 + years in the hobby, today I used a technique that is one of those why didn't I think of that moments.
Bob Parish a couple days ago posted a "how he does it" for tortoise machine installation under the layout.  I read through it and mentally check off each step until I got to the - I stick them in position with hot glue until I can get the screws in them, step.  Now I have tried a lot of ways to hold them in place over the years but never hot glue. So I tried it - it works great. I just installed a couple tortoise machines that were way back underneath - Bob I tried it on the two that I was dreading and had them in in just a couple minutes. I love the forum - THANK YOU BOB     I will repost Bob technique here so it is easy for everyone to find.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 05, 2020, 12:42:12 PM
Here is a cut and past of Bob's Technique:


For John............  you said several days ago that you had to put in a bunch of Tortoise machines...............   You came out of the auto world so you know this term...flat rate....Here are some of the things I learned on this forum and other experiences to sorten the time under your bench work looking like a beached whale.Tie all of your turnouts to the center with blue tape.  If they are Peco either remove the spring (you won't need them for tortoise anyway.Once the spring wires are assembled to the machine, manually push the Tortoise machines to center.Then fire  up your hot glue gun..........Take everything your going to need under the first time.   Put a dab of hot glue in hte center of the mounting pad and glue each to the underside of the bench work.  Everything will now be centered.   Without fumbling around........... you can now shoot all of the mounting screws into the mounting pads and be done with all of the balancing and dropping of stuff.This is the quickest way I know to get a bunch done.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 05, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
Sorry about the reformatting of Bob's post.  Cut and paste didn't work as well as I was hoping.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 05, 2020, 01:39:00 PM
Hey John:

Very nice control panel.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 05, 2020, 03:33:29 PM
Hey John:

Very nice control panel.

Karl


Karl


Thank you

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on April 05, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
I've copied your panel technique and pictures for later use, as I use the Barret Hill toggles as well.  So much easier than soldering all those DPDT switches.  As to the Tortoise instillation, I've found my Velcro tape holding them in place has slowly loosened in some of them, and I'm just hot gluing them to a piece of 1/4 inch plywood, then screwing that to the roadbed with a couple of larger screws.  To center the turnout, instead of the blue tape, I use a piece of stripwood on each rail to hold them centered. 


Jeff




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 05, 2020, 08:49:37 PM
I've copied your panel technique and pictures for later use, as I use the Barret Hill toggles as well.  So much easier than soldering all those DPDT switches.  As to the Tortoise instillation, I've found my Velcro tape holding them in place has slowly loosened in some of them, and I'm just hot gluing them to a piece of 1/4 inch plywood, then screwing that to the roadbed with a couple of larger screws.  To center the turnout, instead of the blue tape, I use a piece of stripwood on each rail to hold them centered. 


Jeff


Jeff


Thanks for stopping by the thread and adding your experience to our discussion.  I also tried the velcro tape but found that they found a way to move and get out of adjustment. All of mine will have screws and the hot glue sure works well for holding them in place. I like your idea of holding the turnouts in the center position with wood strips.  I have been using a weight with a piece of double side tape, one of those what ever works best for you, things.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 06, 2020, 09:26:37 AM





This years challenge build has made it's way to the layout. The FSM kit 145 coal tower was my build for this year. Here is the link to the build thread if you missed it.


http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4874.0


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on April 06, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
John


What a beautiful model!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: EricQuebec on April 06, 2020, 04:31:40 PM
Very nicely done.
Eric
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 06, 2020, 07:50:02 PM
John


What a beautiful model!!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the very kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 06, 2020, 07:50:17 PM
Very nicely done.
Eric


Eric


Thank you
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 08, 2020, 04:58:56 PM
Update:  I have spent the last two days chasing an electrical problem with the layout.  I have a turnout that when I throw it - I get a short.  The issue is it only shuts down half of one of my power districts. I can repeat the issue but can't figure out what is happening.  More testing. ::) :-[ :-[ :-[   Once I figure out what's wrong with my power district I will figure out what I need to do to fix the turnout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 08, 2020, 05:04:29 PM
Wow!!!!! Good luck sir.Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: bparrish on April 09, 2020, 01:09:56 PM
John...


Pretty amazing, sir....

Thanx
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2020, 02:37:31 PM
Dennis and Bob


Thank you for stopping by the thread.  I made some progress on my wiring issue - I have found the reason I loose half of a power district - loose jumper wire in the control panel.  The turnout is going to be replaced - definitely shorts out when I throw it and I have to pull it to figure out what's going on. I think it's a manufactures defect but time will tell.  A new turnout is ordered and I'm going to move on to something else while I wait for it to come.  Enough chasing electrical issues for awhile. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2020, 09:49:48 PM
The Fox Run build has made it's way to my detailing detailing workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 09, 2020, 10:23:45 PM
Very nice job John. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 10, 2020, 08:46:52 AM
Very nice job John. Dennis


Dennis


Thank you, now for the details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 11, 2020, 07:57:07 AM
Update: I have been switch back and forth between working on the Fox Run Milling build and continuing with the track changes and wiring on the layout. I will take a few progress pictures today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 12, 2020, 12:38:42 PM
I have made some progress on the detailing of the Fox Run diorama.  I haven't glued the building to the base board yet, I'm playing with different configurations for the structures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: engine909 on April 12, 2020, 03:35:18 PM
Well done John.
ed
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 12, 2020, 08:22:43 PM
Well done John.
ed


Ed


Thank you for following along and for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 14, 2020, 10:07:47 AM
Progress picture of the Fox Run Build:  I added a foundation and glued the buildings in place. The foundation requires a few changes to the build as you will see in the coming days. Yes - in the end, most of the foundation will be covered.  ;)


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 14, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
The castings for the Brick Roundhouse build have been retrieved from storage and are on my little cart.  I started reading the instructions last night.  I have a lot of layout work to do. Another build has begun.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 14, 2020, 10:12:28 AM
Beautiful Job Sir...... I love the paint factory in the background..Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 14, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
Beautiful Job Sir...... I love the paint factory in the background..Dennis


Thank you Dennis. It's interesting that all of those paints get used to establish a base color, but I always end up adding chalks over them. I have a drawer full of chalks with most of the same colors.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 14, 2020, 10:57:12 AM
I'm totally impressed with how the paints are all cataloged with color patches and numbers.  My paints are tossed into drawers :-)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 14, 2020, 11:06:33 AM
Dave, Mine are still in boxes, Along with 100 kit's lol I'm trying though a junk room of 40 years sucks to find a new home for everything. I found things I forgot and have doubles and triples. I have enough stuff to open Dennis's hobby shop for a short period, I'm up to 27 totes of train stuff. Will be building this spring though. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 14, 2020, 11:21:57 AM
Dennis, I hear you!  When we moved, I packed a pick-up bed load of boxes with paints, solvents and stuff the movers wouldn't take, and moved that myself.  Then I rented a U-Haul trailer and moved a pick-up truck and trailer full of the rest of the train stuff.  :-)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 14, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
Gotta love it. Dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 14, 2020, 12:21:31 PM
Dave and Dennis


That paint rack with the color chart really speeds up a build.  I created it over time by just painting a color each time I used it until the complete rack was color coded.  I highly recommend it!  If you look at the rack you will see a couple colors missing - that's how I reorder the paints.  If it's missing order another bottle.


As for other organizational issues,  I have been working on wiring under the layout and finding stuff I bought and forgot about.  So far I found a case of super trees, a case of sage brush for trees, and 6 craftsman kits that I shipped from a Narrow Gauge Convention about 15-20 years ago.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 14, 2020, 12:41:36 PM
John, its weird how we find things that we forgot about. I too found kits I didn't even knew I had.  Your paint rack is a really good idea. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 15, 2020, 08:08:03 AM
John, its weird how we find things that we forgot about. I too found kits I didn't even knew I had.  Your paint rack is a really good idea. Dennis


Dennis


The one organizational issue I just can't seem to fix is keeping my tools where I need them.  As you know, I usually have three projects going at once and work on three different work benches. In just a few hours  I realize that I need to sort the tools back on to the three workbenches, again,  because I have managed to carry them with me from job to job and now have everything on one workbench.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 15, 2020, 08:24:21 AM
John, Me personally I lose tools that's in front of me. But You inspired me to pick them up again and start building Thanks.Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on April 15, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
Yes - only yesterday I spent ages looking for my clutch pencil I finally found it right at the front of the modelling table under my ruler!

A few years back I visited my local hobby shop right when the owner had decided to make more room by getting rid of his Floquil paint stand.  We lifted the stand up, carried it to my car (with all the paints still in it) and put it in my boot.  Problem solved, all for $60 (and a bit of arm twisting).  When I got home I counted up the bottles - 330!  As a result I have the same paint swabs, but, of course, can't reorder.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 15, 2020, 04:20:44 PM
Wow Mark, What a score of a life time...Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 15, 2020, 07:15:39 PM
Yes - only yesterday I spent ages looking for my clutch pencil I finally found it right at the front of the modelling table under my ruler!

A few years back I visited my local hobby shop right when the owner had decided to make more room by getting rid of his Floquil paint stand.  We lifted the stand up, carried it to my car (with all the paints still in it) and put it in my boot.  Problem solved, all for $60 (and a bit of arm twisting).  When I got home I counted up the bottles - 330!  As a result I have the same paint swabs, but, of course, can't reorder.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


What a great find and buy. That is a lot of paint.  I have one recommendation for you.  Store the bottles upside down - it will help seal the bottles.  I want to watch you use every one of those bottles of paint.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 15, 2020, 07:21:47 PM
Today, was a special day on the S&S RR. I started another big project - the Brick Roundhouse for the Superior Yard. I needed to figure out how big it was going to be and laid the castings out once again to make the final decision. I decided on the split design where the locomotives will enter the turn table by passing between two roundhouse sections. The larger building will have 11 stalls and the smaller will have 4 stalls.  There will also be a number outside storage tracks connected to the turntable.  Here are a couple pictures of the base casting laid out in the final configuration.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 15, 2020, 07:22:31 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on April 15, 2020, 07:23:43 PM
Wow - this is huge. Will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 15, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
The next step in the design process is to establish what I want to do for the baseboard.  I need to get all of the heights worked out for the track and structure castings.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 15, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
Wow - this is huge. Will be fun to watch.


Vince




Thank you for following along and yes it's going to be a big one.  I made the castings a few months back but then stored them away until I completed the three projects I had on the workbench. Since I'm in the final detailing stage on the Fox Run build I decided to get this one started. I was originally planning on a 3 and 9 stall facility so I need to take inventory and make sure I have enough castings. If not - I will be making some more castings before I can get started with the cleaning, painting and assembly process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 15, 2020, 08:34:06 PM
This will be a very interesting build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on April 15, 2020, 09:43:26 PM
Holy smoke!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 15, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
John, I will be following this build real close. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 16, 2020, 07:42:01 AM
Hey John:

I've always loved turntables and round houses. They are one of my favorite on A layout. Can't wait to see what you do with this project.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:43:24 AM
This will be a very interesting build.


Thank you for following along Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:44:30 AM
Holy smoke!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for following along, this is going to be a big project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:46:29 AM
John, I will be following this build real close. Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along, I hope you are starting your build, too.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:50:55 AM
Hey John:

I've always loved turntables and round houses. They are one of my favorite on A layout. Can't wait to see what you do with this project.

Karl


Karl


I like round houses, too. Before my layout is complete, I hope to have a roundhouse home for each of my steam locomotives. I have plans for a few more smaller roundhouses on the layout, including an HOn3 roundhouse in a section that I haven't even started, yet.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:39:04 PM
I made significant progress on the Brick Roundhouse Project, today.  I completed the layout process and cut the holes for the building foundations. The baseboards for the two sections of the roundhouse will fit in these holes and be adjusted for height for proper track alignment.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:40:03 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
I also made some progress on the Fox Run build.  Here are a few progress pictures.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:42:09 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2020, 08:42:30 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: bparrish on April 16, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
Just amazing ...sir


Thanx
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 16, 2020, 09:22:15 PM
I agree, Amazing work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on April 16, 2020, 09:37:25 PM
Coming on nicely, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on April 17, 2020, 05:04:37 AM
Can't repeat it enough , amazing job .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on April 17, 2020, 08:20:07 AM
Fox Run looks fantastic, John. Glad you finally have the beams out there under the upper extension, now. It has been cantilevered out there for many months, now. I have been worried that one of the workers would call the building inspector and create trouble....
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2020, 08:30:11 AM
Just amazing ...sir


Thanx
Bob


Bob


Thank you for the kind words and for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2020, 08:30:47 AM
I agree, Amazing work.


Dennis


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2020, 08:31:27 AM
Coming on nicely, John.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you, trying to make a little progress each day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2020, 08:47:36 AM
Can't repeat it enough , amazing job .


Jan


Thank you for the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2020, 08:48:16 AM
Fox Run looks fantastic, John. Glad you finally have the beams out there under the upper extension, now. It has been cantilevered out there for many months, now. I have been worried that one of the workers would call the building inspector and create trouble....




Vince


Thank you, the building inspector is now happy - a few more days and we should get an occupancy permit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 17, 2020, 10:02:05 AM
Hey John:

Just amazing work. And you know what I saw that I use on my models. Cap shingles on your roofs. So much better than folded paper. Where do you get those Model Color paints from?

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2020, 01:33:02 PM
Hey John:

Just amazing work. And you know what I saw that I use on my models. Cap shingles on your roofs. So much better than folded paper. Where do you get those Model Color paints from?

Karl


Hi Karl


Yup - the cap shingles are much better looking and prototypical.


I bought the original set of paints from Micro Mart a few years back. I have been buying the replacements off Amazon because I can buy single colors at a time (not sets).  One word on these paints - as Brett Gallant pointed out - they dry a little to shinny for some applications - so I usually dust them down with Rembrandt Soft Pastels. If you go back to my last dozen or so builds that is the process I have used.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
Update: I received the track pieces and turnouts that I need to complete the track changes in the Eagles Nest Yard, yesterday.  So I think I'm going to wrap that project up today. I also have lots of fences under construction on my workbench for the Fox Run build.  I think it will be time for some more progress pictures this evening.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 18, 2020, 11:23:15 AM
Fences are "High ROI".  They're easy to do, and they can make a significant difference in how a scene looks. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on April 18, 2020, 11:40:04 AM
I agree with Dave about the fences. Those Bar Mills Insta Fence kits, in particular, are so easy and effective. You can easily divide a scene, control viewing angles, inject a little color and/or add interest with signs or damage. Return on investment is a great way to put it.


Your layout is incredible John!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 12:39:03 PM
Fences are "High ROI".  They're easy to do, and they can make a significant difference in how a scene looks. 


dave


Dave


I agree, I remember when I added the fences to my Brambell's build.  I have a little experiment going on - I'm going to build the fences on the template cards for the Fox Run build and then use some of the pre-made plastic fences and try to weather them up and see what they look like beside the wood scratch built fences. I have seen George Sellios do amazing things to make plastic look like wood. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 12:41:51 PM
I agree with Dave about the fences. Those Bar Mills Insta Fence kits, in particular, are so easy and effective. You can easily divide a scene, control viewing angles, inject a little color and/or add interest with signs or damage. Return on investment is a great way to put it.


Your layout is incredible John!


John


I have a internet search project for tonight - Bar Mills insta fences? I don't remember seeing them.  Are they wood or plastic?  Laser cut wood?  ROI is good! I have a lot of fences to make for this layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 18, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
John I believe everything I'm reading there laser cut wood. Dennis

http://mountain-subdivision-hobbies.mybigcommerce.com/bar-mills-insta-fence-kit/


http://www.hobbylinc.com/bar-mills-insta-fence-kit-approx-160-scale-feet-ho-scale-model-railroad-building-accessory-42?source=froogle&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6Mm0_cHy6AIVjovICh2SKgh7EAQYAiABEgJEz_D_BwE
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
John I believe everything I'm reading there laser cut wood. Dennis

http://mountain-subdivision-hobbies.mybigcommerce.com/bar-mills-insta-fence-kit/ (http://mountain-subdivision-hobbies.mybigcommerce.com/bar-mills-insta-fence-kit/)


http://www.hobbylinc.com/bar-mills-insta-fence-kit-approx-160-scale-feet-ho-scale-model-railroad-building-accessory-42?source=froogle&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6Mm0_cHy6AIVjovICh2SKgh7EAQYAiABEgJEz_D_BwE (http://www.hobbylinc.com/bar-mills-insta-fence-kit-approx-160-scale-feet-ho-scale-model-railroad-building-accessory-42?source=froogle&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6Mm0_cHy6AIVjovICh2SKgh7EAQYAiABEgJEz_D_BwE)


Thank you for the websites - I'm looking through my details box and finding a few fences that I have bought over the years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 08:01:47 PM
The base boards for the Brick Roundhouse were cut and made their way to my workbenches. Before I fastened them to the workbenches I did some experimenting with painting techniques.  A few questions had to be asked: Do I want to paint each casting and then assemble them?  Or do I want to paint the assembly?  What will fit in the paint booth? Do I plan on painting them outside?


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180420195731-439431097.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
Here the baseboards on the workbenches waiting for the fun to begin.  I have a lot of castings to prepare!


The small roundhouse - four stalls.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180420195733-4394496.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 18, 2020, 08:04:40 PM
The big roundhouse (11 stalls).




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180420195734-43945582.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 18, 2020, 08:09:57 PM
That's one heck of a roundhouse. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 19, 2020, 04:53:31 PM
That's one heck of a roundhouse. Dennis


Yes - the size makes for some build issues that I need to get managed before I start gluing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 19, 2020, 09:44:05 PM
Well today, the baseboard was back on the layout - getting every one of the floor castings lined up with the center of the turntable is a difficult task. My first attempt on the workbench had the roundhouse growing by a 1/4 of an inch, by the time I got to the eleventh casting. Even though they came out of the same mold they are all a little different in size.  A little different times 11 equals a 1/4 inch in this case. This is why I didn't become a chemical engineer. Different batch of resin, different cooling rate, etc. etc.  We will get there with a little sanding here and there.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190420213233.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 19, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
I still like it, The right man is on the job.............Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 20, 2020, 03:38:27 AM
hey John:

I'm following along and I'm sure you will solve any problems that show up. Keep up the good work.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: bparrish on April 20, 2020, 03:41:25 AM
John.....

Looks like a grad thesis in trigonometry.

Really cool

thanx
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 20, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
I remember a similar set of calculations/layout with my old CM Roundhouse (on the previous forum.)  The plaster castings weren't precise, my fit wasn't quite perfect, and the resulting angles were slightly off.  I did similar layout things with yardsticks to determine the proper center for the turntable and then the length of the leads from the TT to the roundhouse tracks. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2020, 10:28:03 PM
I still like it, The right man is on the job.............Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for your confidence - we will see how this works out. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2020, 10:30:11 PM
hey John:

I'm following along and I'm sure you will solve any problems that show up. Keep up the good work.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along - this is the first big test of resin castings for me.  My Stone Roundhouse was with hydrocal castings - and I didn't have this issue. I will get it worked out but it will take some time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2020, 10:33:36 PM
John.....

Looks like a grad thesis in trigonometry.

Really cool

thanx
Bob


So far I have used trigonometry, geometry, chemistry, and some language skills I learned in the shop. :-[  Actually is a cool - challenging project.  Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on April 20, 2020, 10:35:12 PM
I had a similar situation recently when I installed my roundhouse.  I already had the turntable installed, then I built the roundhouse, and then had a hell of a time lining up the roundhouse with the turntable.  But I finally got it figures out.  My wife was telling me about my language skills when this was going on.  but it worked
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2020, 10:39:29 PM
I remember a similar set of calculations/layout with my old CM Roundhouse (on the previous forum.)  The plaster castings weren't precise, my fit wasn't quite perfect, and the resulting angles were slightly off.  I did similar layout things with yardsticks to determine the proper center for the turntable and then the length of the leads from the TT to the roundhouse tracks. 


dave


Dave


I remember that build thread.  You did a great job - I wonder if it is till available? I have decided to get all the tracks pointed at the center of the turntable and trim the castings as required. It is amazing how much difference there is in castings that came out of the same mold. If you were building a three stall roundhouse the difference wouldn't matter. The bigger the roundhouse gets the more the error buildup affects the build. I'm still wondering what I will run up against when I start putting the walls together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2020, 10:44:47 PM
I had a similar situation recently when I installed my roundhouse.  I already had the turntable installed, then I built the roundhouse, and then had a hell of a time lining up the roundhouse with the turntable.  But I finally got it figures out.  My wife was telling me about my language skills when this was going on.  but it worked


Steve


It seems to be a very common problem with roundhouses. My solution is to install the track on the resin bases and make sure that they all meet at the center of the turntable before I start gluing them to the baseboard. As for the language skills - I have to constantly work on mine - especially now that I have Grandchildren around.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 21, 2020, 09:02:38 AM
The old forum is on Archive.org:  https://web.archive.org/web/20101124082531/http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1007 


The idea to align the centerline of the roundhouse front to the turntable center, and then build the rest of the model around them, is the right one.  I kinda reverse engineered that, by projecting the center line of the tracks back towards the roundhouse, and then picking the "average center" where the lines aligned.  I gave a bit of extra weighting in my "calculation" to the lines from the outer stalls, figuring if I got those two correct, the rest of the roundhouse wouldn't be quite so obviously out of alignment, but if one of those was out, the roundhouse would probably look skewed.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2020, 09:16:38 AM
The old forum is on Archive.org:  https://web.archive.org/web/20101124082531/http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1007 (https://web.archive.org/web/20101124082531/http://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1007) 


The idea to align the centerline of the roundhouse front to the turntable center, and then build the rest of the model around them, is the right one.  I kinda reverse engineered that, by projecting the center line of the tracks back towards the roundhouse, and then picking the "average center" where the lines aligned.  I gave a bit of extra weighting in my "calculation" to the lines from the outer stalls, figuring if I got those two correct, the rest of the roundhouse wouldn't be quite so obviously out of alignment, but if one of those was out, the roundhouse would probably look skewed.


dave


Dave


I decided to make a cardboard template with the turntable center and attach it to my baseboard so I have that point in space called center on my workbench for constant reference.  It is very easy to get an error buildup as you build 11 stalls.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Lynnb on April 21, 2020, 01:06:40 PM
You're going to have a good laugh about this some day , but not today . ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2020, 05:50:20 PM
You're going to have a good laugh about this some day , but not today . ;D


Lynn


We all need a challenge once and awhile to keep things interesting.  I spent three hours this afternoon sanding and fitting and the 1/4 inch went away.  I will try to remember to take a picture of my layout setup this evening.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2020, 08:34:01 PM
Here is a picture of the cardboard template I made to line up the base castings for the roundhouse.  As I said above, after three houses of sanding and fitting the castings are all lined up and ready for the gluing process.  I plan to glue everything in place and then paint it as an assembly. It will fit in my paint booth if we don't get some nice weather, soon enough, to paint it outside.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210420202946-439821699.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2020, 08:37:03 PM
Here is a picture with a few more track sections laid on top, I'm into the turntable before the tracks converge - all is well on the roundhouse project tonight.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210420202949-439841847.jpeg)


Now for the wall castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2020, 08:38:56 PM
On another modeling front. Here is a progress picture of the Fox Run Build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 21, 2020, 08:43:07 PM
John, Your doing a fantastic job sir...Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on April 21, 2020, 08:46:53 PM
John - Nice combination of Fox Run next to Sewall's.  I loved building both of those.  Sewall's is in a box in my garage and in dire need of some restoration (it got damaged in the move to Florida).  Fox Run I built for Mr. Seckler and, if I'm not mistaken, is on his layout.  I'm slowing infesting layouts one at a time.   ;)

Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2020, 09:10:27 AM
John, Your doing a fantastic job sir...Dennis


Dennis


Thank you
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2020, 09:12:17 AM
John - Nice combination of Fox Run next to Sewall's.  I loved building both of those.  Sewall's is in a box in my garage and in dire need of some restoration (it got damaged in the move to Florida).  Fox Run I built for Mr. Seckler and, if I'm not mistaken, is on his layout.  I'm slowing infesting layouts one at a time.   ;)

Keep up the great work!


Bob


Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. They are two great kits. Combining them was a fun change to make them just a little different. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on April 22, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
Here is a picture with a few more track sections laid on top, I'm into the turntable before the tracks converge - all is well on the roundhouse project tonight.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210420202949-439841847.jpeg)


Now for the wall castings.

John,
 Congratulations on earning the Doctorate of Roundhouse Design Certificate !
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 22, 2020, 01:49:25 PM
One thought occurred to me:  If you got a 2' section of RibbonRail track gauge, the equivalent in FastTracks SweepSticks, or made your own 2' long strip that is exactly track gauge wide, you could drill a hole in one end and use that as a 'trammel' to lay out the tracks.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Lynnb on April 22, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
Your Fox Run looks fantastic, I had just tripped over Bob Butts Fox Run Milling build from 2014 , I think I was just googling the kit as I've been on the lookout for one for a while now.
I remember back when I was trying to get my tracks alligned for a simply two stall engine house with a newer Walthers TT and although not impossible but wasn't easy, can't imagine how you're figuring this one out. :o
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Here is a picture with a few more track sections laid on top, I'm into the turntable before the tracks converge - all is well on the roundhouse project tonight.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210420202949-439841847.jpeg)


Now for the wall castings.

John,
 Congratulations on earning the Doctorate of Roundhouse Design Certificate !
Tommy


Thank you Tommy.  I'm sure pilling it higher and deeper on the project. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2020, 09:26:10 PM
One thought occurred to me:  If you got a 2' section of RibbonRail track gauge, the equivalent in FastTracks SweepSticks, or made your own 2' long strip that is exactly track gauge wide, you could drill a hole in one end and use that as a 'trammel' to lay out the tracks.


dave


Dave


Great minds think alike.  I have one hanging on the wall from the stone roundhouse build a few years back.  Now that I have the castings right it will become very useful in gluing the track in place in the castings in the right orientation.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2020, 09:29:31 PM
Your Fox Run looks fantastic, I had just tripped over Bob Butts Fox Run Milling build from 2014 , I think I was just googling the kit as I've been on the lookout for one for a while now.
I remember back when I was trying to get my tracks alligned for a simply two stall engine house with a newer Walthers TT and although not impossible but wasn't easy, can't imagine how you're figuring this one out. :o


Lynn


Thank you for stopping by and the kind words.  This roundhouse project is all about measuring a dozen times and then gluing once.  I'm getting close to getting the glue bottle out for the base castings. ;)  I want to do a dry fit with the wall castings first. Pictures soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 24, 2020, 07:12:06 PM
Update: Today, I spent a good part of the day sanding and fitting castings for the Brick Roundhouse project.  I'm also sitting down at the detailing workbench to add more details to the Fox Run build.  I can't believe how many detail castings I've added and it will take many more before it is finished.  Tomorrow, I will take some progress pictures. Tonight, I decided to do a complete layout electric test to make sure everything is working properly before I start running trains again.  I already found one of the new turnouts that didn't get a proper gap for the frog.  When I though the turnout it shorted out the power block.  Two minutes with the Dremel and a cutting wheel and the problem was solved.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: BandOGuy on April 24, 2020, 09:52:57 PM

John,
I was too tired to read way back into the turntable thread tonight, but:
If that's the Walthers 110' turntable kit, I just watched a YouTube video this week on installing that unit. At the time of the film, the mounting hole to be drilled by the opening for the indexing mechanism on the roundhouse side of the pit did not correspond to the actual mounting nub under the turntable ring. It was on the wrong side of the index opening on the plan view. Don't know if Walthers has updated the diagram since the film was shot or if it affects your mounting. Just a word of caution.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 25, 2020, 08:15:12 AM

John,
I was too tired to read way back into the turntable thread tonight, but:
If that's the Walthers 110' turntable kit, I just watched a YouTube video this week on installing that unit. At the time of the film, the mounting hole to be drilled by the opening for the indexing mechanism on the roundhouse side of the pit did not correspond to the actual mounting nub under the turntable ring. It was on the wrong side of the index opening on the plan view. Don't know if Walthers has updated the diagram since the film was shot or if it affects your mounting. Just a word of caution.


Thank you for the heads up. I think mine is okay because I cut the hole to the diagram and the turntable fit in - but I will check on it the next time I do a test fit. As I remember from my last installation - that was a 90 foot table for the Stone Roundhouse - the big thing to watch is the dead track area. I need to check that out one more time before I start gluing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 25, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
Hey John:

It's really coming along. It looks like A lot of work and planing. Keep at it. Can't wait for more progress.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 26, 2020, 07:23:58 PM
Hey John:

It's really coming along. It looks like A lot of work and planing. Keep at it. Can't wait for more progress.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along.  The layout is keeping me out of trouble. I will have some more progress pictures soon.  I'm getting close on the Fox Run build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Today, I took some markup progress pictures of my Fox Run build.  These are the pictures that I will mark up on my iPad with changes etc.  I thought I would share them.  The dirt on the rear of the building was just glued down so it was time to leave it alone for a few hours.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270420190807-4402477.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:11:05 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:13:49 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:14:27 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:14:46 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 07:15:12 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 27, 2020, 08:14:31 PM
Hi John, you using foam board for the base?........Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 08:20:02 PM
Hi John, you using foam board for the base?........Dennis


Yes - but it will sit on 3/4 inch exterior grade plywood on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 27, 2020, 08:21:58 PM
Thanks John....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 27, 2020, 08:37:46 PM
That is very nice John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2020, 09:54:12 PM
That is very nice John.


Thank you Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on April 28, 2020, 03:25:36 AM
Great build John, awesome looking  , hope you don't mind if I say that I'm not really fond of the white signs on the fence , somehow they look too much like paper ( I suppose they are paper ) and I hardly think they would be paper in real.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 28, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
Great build John, awesome looking  , hope you don't mind if I say that I'm not really fond of the white signs on the fence , somehow they look too much like paper ( I suppose they are paper ) and I hardly think they would be paper in real.


Jan


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  Your comment is noted and I agree about the white signs.  First step will be to tone them down with some A&I and see how much that helps. They are currently just how they came off the printer.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Lynnb on April 28, 2020, 11:55:03 AM
Love the structure photos, and totally awsome paint setup. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on April 28, 2020, 02:51:42 PM
Beautiful structures, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 28, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
Love the structure photos, and totally awsome paint setup. ;)




Lynn


Thank you
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 28, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
Beautiful structures, John.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you, a few loose ends to clean up and they will be ready for the layout.  I will do all the scenery once they are on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 28, 2020, 09:13:02 PM
I changed the signs on the fence - Jan was right about them looking like pieces of paper.  I added some color and a border - What do you think?


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280420211021.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 28, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
Now that's what I'm talking about. Great Job John... Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 28, 2020, 09:39:55 PM
Looks great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 29, 2020, 03:41:00 AM
Hey John:

I think it looks just great. Beautiful job on the whole model.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on April 29, 2020, 06:26:22 AM
Much , much better John , now they look like signs someone would put there for longer then one rainy day  ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 07:55:55 AM
Now that's what I'm talking about. Great Job John... Dennis


Thank you Dennis - I have a few more things on my list and this one will be heading for the layout. I think I said earlier that I will be adding all the scenery materials, bushes, trees, grass, etc. once I move it to the layout and can make it blend in with everything that's already there.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 07:56:35 AM
Looks great.


Curt


Thank you for following along and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 07:59:21 AM
Hey John:

I think it looks just great. Beautiful job on the whole model.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the encouragement.  Another empty yellow box to add to my collection. ;)  I will be taking the cover off G. Wilikers in the next few days, as soon as I get the wall finished for the Brick Roundhouse.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 08:04:39 AM
Much , much better John , now they look like signs someone would put there for longer then one rainy day  ;)


Jan


Thank you for saying something about the signs.  I think the model is better now.  I think somewhere in the town of Sellios there will be a Jan's sign and golfing equipment store. ;) 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:44:35 PM
I took some pictures of the Fox Run build before I moved it from my workbench to the layout.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420213738-440421366.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:44:57 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420213742-44045457.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:45:54 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:46:20 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:50:52 PM
This afternoon the model was moved to the layout.  I took a few pictures of it in place.  The base board is not setting directly on the plywood yet because I need to cut holes for the LED wires.  I will then mount the foam boards to the plywood benchwork and begin the scenery around all the builds in this area.  I have some roof detailing work to complete on the Eagles Nest Warehouse that sits directly behind these new builds.




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420213921-440481152.jpeg)


Note: The dowels you see coming out of the benchwork are marking the holes for the control wires that will run from the servo motors underneath the layout to the turnouts in the yard. It is a great way of locating the servo locations.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:51:30 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:51:54 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:52:13 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:52:33 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420214106-44052157.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:52:58 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420214107-440531908.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:53:15 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420214108-440542330.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:53:39 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420214110-440552377.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:53:59 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420214154-440562221.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290420214155-44057129.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2020, 09:54:41 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on April 30, 2020, 02:17:03 AM
Hey John:

Oh My what can I say but just beautiful

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on April 30, 2020, 06:43:02 AM
What a magnificent scene.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PaulS on April 30, 2020, 07:52:36 AM
John, Fox Run and Sewell's look wonderful in their location on the layout.  Very Impressive !!


I am also most interested in how you will be using and mounting your servo motors for the turnouts.   I have been considering doing the same and would like to use the servos with a bell-crank type alignment (as opposed to 'direct' type wire as in the tortoise type alignment) as my turnouts are currently in place.    Looking forward to seeing what you do there.


Thanks and again great work in all you are doing on the S&S RR !!


--Paul
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on April 30, 2020, 07:54:21 AM
Beautiful looking scene, John.


Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on April 30, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
John,

The scene in the above photo is wonderful. Lots of nice structures with lots of track in the foreground. Well done my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 09:12:39 AM
Hey John:

Oh My what can I say but just beautiful

Karl


Karl


Thank you - I can't wait to get the track all detailed and the scenery in to frame the structures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 09:14:21 AM
What a magnificent scene.


Jan


Thank you for following along and the kind words. It will look a lot better when I get the track in foreground all detailed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 09:22:48 AM
John, Fox Run and Sewell's look wonderful in their location on the layout.  Very Impressive !!


I am also most interested in how you will be using and mounting your servo motors for the turnouts.   I have been considering doing the same and would like to use the servos with a bell-crank type alignment (as opposed to 'direct' type wire as in the tortoise type alignment) as my turnouts are currently in place.    Looking forward to seeing what you do there.


Thanks and again great work in all you are doing on the S&S RR !!


--Paul


Paul
Thank you for the kind words.


I will be using the servo system that Barrett Hill sells. The configuration will be a little different on each of turnouts in this area.  I have some that will be right beside the track with the servo motor covered by a small shed, some will have long wires that attach to the servo motor at an angle underneath the layout, and some will be controlled from the side with the servo motor mounted in the facia.  Stay tuned, I will take pictures as I install them and get them running.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 09:23:31 AM
Beautiful looking scene, John.


Jeff


Jeff


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
John,

The scene in the above photo is wonderful. Lots of nice structures with lots of track in the foreground. Well done my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the encouragement. I'm excited to see this scene with the track and scenery completed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 30, 2020, 09:32:56 AM
Excellent scene and the background really gives it depth.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 10:30:27 AM
Excellent scene and the background really gives it depth.


Curt


Thank you for the inspirational words - I think the scene will get even more depth as I add some foreground features like trees and track side sheds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on April 30, 2020, 03:28:57 PM
Looking very nice, John.

I'm curious as to where the roads will go - especially to service the two warehouses at the back.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on April 30, 2020, 04:43:37 PM
WOW John, this is really taking shape very nicely.  It is  going be a great looking scene.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PaulS on April 30, 2020, 05:37:27 PM

Paul
Thank you for the kind words.


I will be using the servo system that Barrett Hill sells. The configuration will be a little different on each of turnouts in this area.  I have some that will be right beside the track with the servo motor covered by a small shed, some will have long wires that attach to the servo motor at an angle underneath the layout, and some will be controlled from the side with the servo motor mounted in the facia.  Stay tuned, I will take pictures as I install them and get them running.


Thanks John and looking forward to the lesson !!
And keep up the great work,
--Paul
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
Looking very nice, John.

I'm curious as to where the roads will go - especially to service the two warehouses at the back.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thanks for following along. The side of the warehouse that is in view is the rail access with a rail also running into the left side of the structure.  Any truck traffic would be out the back of the building, which is out of view.  There will be a road running around the back on the left side along side the rail.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 07:36:34 PM
WOW John, this is really taking shape very nicely.  It is  going be a great looking scene.


Steve


Thank you for following along - I'm looking at how I want to complete the scenery to make this all blend together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 07:37:56 PM

Paul
Thank you for the kind words.


I will be using the servo system that Barrett Hill sells. The configuration will be a little different on each of turnouts in this area.  I have some that will be right beside the track with the servo motor covered by a small shed, some will have long wires that attach to the servo motor at an angle underneath the layout, and some will be controlled from the side with the servo motor mounted in the facia.  Stay tuned, I will take pictures as I install them and get them running.


Thanks John and looking forward to the lesson !!
And keep up the great work,
--Paul


I don't know about a lesson - this is my first attempt at using servos to control turnouts - so we can learn together.  So far it looks pretty straight forward.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on April 30, 2020, 07:41:57 PM
I've installed a couple of servos, the Tam Valley "Switchwright" integrated servo and control board.  The Mark 2 version has a 3D printed bracket (the first version had laser-cut wood.)  I slightly drill out the mounting holes for #6 screws.  I'm using the onboard relay to switch the frogs, since these are going into the HOn30 (non-DCC) part of the layout.  Duncan includes some pressure-sensitive mounting tape to position the machine/bracket before you install the screws.  That works well, as long as you don't have to do too much adjustment.  One thing to keep in mind (true on any switch machine) is the direction of travel has to be perpendicular to the track, so I had a bit of a challenge to extend that line to the edge of the layout and then underneath to make sure the switch machine was mounted on that axis. 

Mounting these is really tough for one person to do, in this time of 'shelter in place' :-)

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 07:51:13 PM
I've installed a couple of servos, the Tam Valley "Switchwright" integrated servo and control board.  The Mark 2 version has a 3D printed bracket (the first version had laser-cut wood.)  I slightly drill out the mounting holes for #6 screws.  I'm using the onboard relay to switch the frogs, since these are going into the HOn30 (non-DCC) part of the layout.  Duncan includes some pressure-sensitive mounting tape to position the machine/bracket before you install the screws.  That works well, as long as you don't have to do too much adjustment.  One thing to keep in mind (true on any switch machine) is the direction of travel has to be perpendicular to the track, so I had a bit of a challenge to extend that line to the edge of the layout and then underneath to make sure the switch machine was mounted on that axis. 

Mounting these is really tough for one person to do, in this time of 'shelter in place' :-)

dave


There have been a number of times in the last few weeks when it would have been nice to have an extra set of hands. ;)  There has been a lot of crawling out from under the layout to see if what I just did worked. ::)  I can't wait until the Grandkids and my train buddies can visit again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 07:56:48 PM
Update:  The first stall base for the Brick Roundhouse got glued down today. Lots of sanding and fitting in my future for this project. I decided to glue all the base castings to the plywood before starting to paint.  With all the fitting the touch up would be like painting them all over again. 


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300420194531-44066306.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 07:58:08 PM
I didn't take a setup picture but the centerline of the casting is lined up with the center of the turntable using my template.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 08:05:02 PM
On another front - I couldn't keep walking past an empty workbench so the cover came of the G. Wilikers build.  The traditional opening the box pictures.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300420194527-440591483.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 08:06:15 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300420194528-44064274.jpeg)


The wall castings got a coat of primer before I made molds of them for another project.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2020, 08:07:35 PM
A lot of detail castings to paint for this one.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300420194529-440651943.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on April 30, 2020, 08:25:15 PM
Oh boy......... :) Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on April 30, 2020, 08:43:12 PM
I think this one is my favourite FSM offering.

I'll be cheering you on, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 01, 2020, 07:57:05 AM
Dennis and Mark


Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 01, 2020, 08:58:20 AM
I'll be following John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 01, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
Yippee Ky Yay.  My fave as well. Let'r rip!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 02, 2020, 01:41:38 AM
Hey John:

That's A great kit. I'll be following along.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 02, 2020, 07:50:40 AM
Curt, Vince, and Karl


Thank you for following along. I spent a few hours, yesterday preparing the detail castings for priming. The fun has begun.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 02, 2020, 06:35:21 PM
Update:  A lot of detail castings made their way through the paint booth, today.  I also spent a few hours trimming, sand and fitting the resin castings for the Brick Roundhouse build. This afternoon was spent out on the tractor finishing the landscaping work I had to do and then installing the mower deck. It's May 2nd, is it safe to take the plow off the tractor?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on May 02, 2020, 07:17:02 PM
Let's hope so John? It snowed here less then a week ago. John you use spray paint or Air brush your castings? Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 02, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
Let's hope so John? It snowed here less then a week ago. John you use spray paint or Air brush your castings? Dennis


Dennis




I use spray cans - to prime them. Then acrylic paints and chalks.  Back in the floquil days I used my air brush but I haven't used it for a long time now.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on May 03, 2020, 10:58:06 AM
John looks like you picked another winner.  Following along!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 03, 2020, 03:45:02 PM
John looks like you picked another winner.  Following along!


Jerry


Jerry


Great to have you following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 03, 2020, 03:50:34 PM
I made a test casting for the coloring of the walls for my Brick Roundhouse today. 


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030520154315.jpeg)


Started with a red automotive primer color.  Spray Can


Next, painted all the concrete with concrete color acrylic paint. applied with a brush


Then, I went over the concrete with a neutral great pastel chalk. applied with a brush


Followed that step with a coating of light raw umber pastel chalk. applied with a brush


Used an eraser to remove  some of the raw umber pastel from the surface of the brick.


Dry brushed, locally with some black pastel chalk for some dark accents.


Note: This casting was picked for my test piece because of the air bubbles that you can see when you zoom in on the picture.


What do you think?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on May 03, 2020, 04:39:59 PM
I like it John.  looks very good.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on May 03, 2020, 04:52:52 PM
I agree with Steve, looks good.

Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on May 03, 2020, 05:02:50 PM
John,
 John Allen would be proud !
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 03, 2020, 05:33:35 PM
Try a light grey mortar rather than white, and see if you like that better. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 03, 2020, 06:49:40 PM
Hi John.

A little while ago I watched a video by Jason Jensen where he used a technique new to me on his Chippy Hollow kitbash.  I thought the results were outstanding, but also that the technique would lend itself to stonework perfectly.  Actually, I was a little bamboozled why he didn't use it on the stone work.  Brickwork painting starts at about minute 24.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hQLvCd5DM

Anyway - I think you need to get more variation in the stonework colouring.  When using chalk for mortar I use a fine brush and gentle blowing to remove the dusty look from the internal column seams and around sills and lintels.  I also use the oil off my fingers to remove the grout from the bricks and into the mortar lines.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 03, 2020, 07:45:12 PM
...
Anyway - I think you need to get more variation in the stonework colouring.  ...


As a rule of thumb, the older the brick, the more color variation.  By the mid 20th century, bricks were being made in pretty uniform colors.  But in the 19th century and before, there could be variation from black to brown to red to orange.  So brick coloring is a good way to imply when the structure was built.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 03, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
I like it John.  looks very good.


Steve


Thank you for the kind words and for following along - after painting this one casting I'm getting a feeling for how huge this project is.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 03, 2020, 09:42:10 PM
I agree with Steve, looks good.

Jeff




Jeff


Thank you  - now for all the real castings that I'm going to use.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 03, 2020, 09:59:59 PM
John,
 John Allen would be proud !
Tommy


Tommy


Thank you - like most of us  - John Allen got it all started for me. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 04, 2020, 03:05:19 PM
Hi John.

A little while ago I watched a video by Jason Jensen where he used a technique new to me on his Chippy Hollow kitbash.  I thought the results were outstanding, but also that the technique would lend itself to stonework perfectly.  Actually, I was a little bamboozled why he didn't use it on the stone work.  Brickwork painting starts at about minute 24.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hQLvCd5DM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hQLvCd5DM)

Anyway - I think you need to get more variation in the stonework colouring.  When using chalk for mortar I use a fine brush and gentle blowing to remove the dusty look from the internal column seams and around sills and lintels.  I also use the oil off my fingers to remove the grout from the bricks and into the mortar lines.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the suggestions.


I took a look at Jason's video - I have used the sponge and acrylic paint technique on a number of my builds. It does give excellent results.  My first test sample is basically my version of the coloring that Bob recommends. I'm going to try a test casting with the same brick but add some color variation to the Stone on the bottom.  I will probably try a couple more before making a final decision.  Thank you again, for following along and the suggestions.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 04, 2020, 03:08:59 PM
Try a light grey mortar rather than white, and see if you like that better. 


dave




The mortar on the top brick can be more grey if I add more color to the bottom stone work.  I will give it a try on my next test sample.  Thank you for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 04, 2020, 03:14:36 PM
...
Anyway - I think you need to get more variation in the stonework colouring.  ...


As a rule of thumb, the older the brick, the more color variation.  By the mid 20th century, bricks were being made in pretty uniform colors.  But in the 19th century and before, there could be variation from black to brown to red to orange.  So brick coloring is a good way to imply when the structure was built.


dave


Dave


I agree with your rule of thumb - my time frame is the late 1940's.  I like the look of the top brick but may try the sponge technique on one test sample just to see what it looks like. I definitely want to take a look at using a color variation with the bottom stone work. Stay tuned - I will post some pictures as I play with it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 04, 2020, 03:17:36 PM
John - just to be clear - what I am suggesting is that you try Jason's brick technique (which starts at minute 24 and uses a brush rather than a sponge) to paint your stonework.  I just thought it was a technique which would get variations within individual stones rather than from one stone to the next.  Its been my experience when looking at stonework closely in the prototype that each stone has several different colours within it.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 04, 2020, 03:59:24 PM
John - just to be clear - what I am suggesting is that you try Jason's brick technique (which starts at minute 24 and uses a brush rather than a sponge) to paint your stonework.  I just thought it was a technique which would get variations within individual stones rather than from one stone to the next.  Its been my experience when looking at stonework closely in the prototype that each stone has several different colours within it.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


I understand your recommendation, it makes for some beautiful brick and stone work. I have done it with a sponge and by dabbing with a brush.  I will make a test sample.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 07:05:07 PM
Update: I made progress on a number of fronts, today.  First, I installed 8 more tortoise machines and got them wired into the control panel and operational. I have 10 more tortoise machines  and 8 servo controlled turnouts to complete and the entire layout with 140 turnouts will be electrified and operational.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 07, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
John, what's your process for deciding between servo turnout and Tortoise turnout?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 07:31:21 PM
John, what's your process for deciding between servo turnout and Tortoise turnout?


dave


Dave


The majority of the turnouts are controlled by tortoise machines mounted in the traditional manor directly under the turnout.  I have a few locations where there is not easy access directly under the turnouts so I have fabricated wire linkages that run at an angel to a servo motor, sometimes as much as 12 inches away.  I had originally planned to use tortoise machines and custom mounting brackets for this purpose but discovered the servo motor option when I decided to use Barrett Hill Touch Control switches. The servo motors come with a variety of linkages to help with the control options.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 09:45:28 PM
To follow up on a couple of open issues on my brick roundhouse we need to have a discussion on bricks.  Bob used standard bricks for his roundhouse kit which are 7 5/8 inch long by 3 5/8 inch high. The bricks on the castings that Jason painted in his video are over 12 inches long and 6 inches high. George described them as O scale bricks that just look good.  Now, before the rivet counters go crazy, manarch bricks, utility bricks, norman bricks  and many other speciality bricks come in the larger size so they are not out of scale. Here is a picture of one of the FSM castings next to the test castings I'm working with from the Brick Roundhouse. If you look at any of the brick buildings on the F&SM George usually used larger bricks and the mortar lines are deeper and wider. And I agree they look great. So I decided to scale down the process Jason described in his video to smaller standard bricks, as a test. Oh and before I forget to mention it, this painting technique is exactly the same as the one I used on all of the rocks for the mountains of the S&S RR.  Yeah, remember the 3400 lbs. of plaster for those of you that have been following along since Vol 1 of this thread.  I used a very small brush to make my blots of paint for this test. About half the size I would normally use for the FSM casting Jason used.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
So here is a blowup of a section of the wall using this scaled down technique on the standard size bricks.


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At this magnification you can sure see the air bubblies.  These test castings are from a pour where I got called up for dinner and forgot to use my calibrated rubber hammer to shake the molds and purge the air bubbles. :-[
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 10:01:57 PM
So the test was successful - we achieved the color variation within the individual bricks. It looks like old brick.  The bottom line is that I have a 15 stall roundhouse to paint and a very large layout to finish. That's a lot of painting and I really like the look of the bricks on my original test sample. I made a few tests on adding some color variation to the larger stones on the lower part of the wall and really like how it looks.  I basically colored individual stones three different shades of grey and then dry brushed with a dark burnt umber to bring out the details in the stones.  Here is the test sample with one of the green window castings popped in to see the color combinations all together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 10:05:34 PM
Dave


I also tried a darker grey mortar - you can see it in this picture on the left top.


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I like the lighter mortar with this casting because you start to loose the individual brick look.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2020, 10:06:52 PM
So tomorrow, I'm going to finish cleaning and fitting all the castings and start building some walls.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on May 07, 2020, 10:13:32 PM
John, Your doing amazing work sir..............Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 08, 2020, 01:58:55 AM
Looks really good, John.

I agree that the lighter mortar works better.  Have you considered a darker grey mortar for the stonework?  You would have to do one part first, seal, and then do the other, I would think, but might be quite striking?  Enjoying your work, whatever you decide to do.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 08, 2020, 07:41:51 AM
Brick looks great, John. I especially love the keystones on the arched windows. Or, as we used to say in Philly....winduhz.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 08, 2020, 08:33:26 AM
John, Your doing amazing work sir..............Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 08, 2020, 08:56:49 AM
Looks really good, John.

I agree that the lighter mortar works better.  Have you considered a darker grey mortar for the stonework?  You would have to do one part first, seal, and then do the other, I would think, but might be quite striking?  Enjoying your work, whatever you decide to do.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for following along and the great suggestions.  I have a couple smaller Roundhouses planed for my new area of the layout and I may use the "old brick" look on them.  I really do like how that looks.  A darker grey mortar on the bottom larger stones would highlight the individual stones. I need to try a couple things to see if I can make that work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 08, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
Brick looks great, John. I especially love the keystones on the arched windows. Or, as we used to say in Philly....winduhz.


Vince


Thank you for the kind words - just a little dry brushing made the keystones look a lot better.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2020, 09:11:33 AM
I have three workbenches full of Brick Roundhouse castings getting them ready for painting.


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 I'm gluing one of the side walls together to see if I can paint it as a subassembly.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on May 10, 2020, 10:34:15 AM
I'm watching very closely my friend. Your doing a phenomenal job.....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 10, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
That photo of clamped and weighted roundhouse parts brings flashbacks from my CM Roundhouse build :-) :-)

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on May 10, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
John,

The gray mortar looks good but the addition of the darker gray gives it the old coal soot look. I like it.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2020, 03:51:57 PM
I'm watching very closely my friend. Your doing a phenomenal job.....Dennis


Thank you for following along, this is a monster project. I need to count how many window castings I have to paint and I'm afraid too.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
That photo of clamped and weighted roundhouse parts brings flashbacks from my CM Roundhouse build :-) :-)

dave


Dave


Yup, I will get to use every clamp and weight I own on this project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2020, 03:56:01 PM
John,

The gray mortar looks good but the addition of the darker gray gives it the old coal soot look. I like it.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the encouraging words, in the 1940's everything had that old coal soot look. I brought this project forward so I have a place to store my steam locomotives on the layout.  Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2020, 06:50:43 PM
Today, the paint booth was a very busy place on the S&S RR. I have castings stacked everywhere. :o


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
I think the paint booth is going to need a good cleaning after this project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on May 11, 2020, 11:18:19 AM
This is going to be nice looking roundhouse.  looking forward to the next steps.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 11, 2020, 11:45:27 AM
This is going to be nice looking roundhouse.  looking forward to the next steps.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along. I'm starting to paint the concrete parts of the wall, today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 11, 2020, 06:57:02 PM
Update: I spent most of the day painting the castings for both the G. Wiliker's build and the Brick Roundhouse build.  Mark I thought you might be interested in the direction I'm going with the stone castings for the G. Wiliker's build. They are not complete but you can see the direction I'm heading.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 12, 2020, 08:23:19 AM
Looks really good, John. Could you describe the process you used? It's especially timely right now as the first building to be built in the Queen City diorama is the yard office that has a stone first floor. Resin, tho, not metal.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 08:55:09 AM
Looks really good, John. Could you describe the process you used? It's especially timely right now as the first building to be built in the Queen City diorama is the yard office that has a stone first floor. Resin, tho, not metal.


Vince


Thank you for the kind words. The process is very simple.  I start with a primer base color (I use a rattle can). In this case I picked a brown because the overall color theme is brown for the rocks in the area of my Eagles Nest Yard where this building is located on my layout. Instead of using acrylic paint I'm using pastel chalks. I scrape the powder on to my glass plate and then add alcohol to make a paint.  Then I paint individual stones a base color to start with. Then start dabbing the entire casting with all the other colors I'm using.  I typically have 6 - 10 colors on the pallet. Once I have the colors randomly dispersed on the casting I use a big fluffy brush to blend them all together. This part is done dry.  If you look back in my build thread I have used this process on 6 - 10 builds, now.  I started using the acrylic paint method which works great but you need to keep the paint wet through the blending process for the best results. With the pastel chalk I can start and stop the process at any point and get good results. I also think the pastel chalks give a flatter more stone like texture to the final casting.

The material the casting is made of has no affect on the final look.  To test this on my Brambell's build the retaining wall is made of the original metal castings, resin castings and hydrocal castings that I made with a mold from the original castings. They are installed side by side in the long retaining wall for this build and colored using this process.
Let me know if you have any more questions.  Have fun with this process,  the wall does look bad just before the blending process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 12, 2020, 09:32:49 AM
Great looking wall John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 12, 2020, 12:42:23 PM
Hey John:

Great looking stone wall.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 03:13:12 PM
Great looking wall John.


Curt


Thanks you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
Hey John:

Great looking stone wall.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - every time I do one I add more steps - hopefully they are getting better.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
The castings for the G. Wiliker's build are nearing completion. I need to paint the window and door castings green. Along with the window openings of the stone wall castings.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 03:22:51 PM
And on the Brick Roundhouse project, the base assembly for the 11 stall portion of the Roundhouse made it's way into the paint booth.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 03:24:18 PM
I either don't paint or sand off the primer from the surfaces that will be glued.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 12, 2020, 04:14:59 PM
The stone wall castings look really great, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 12, 2020, 05:07:33 PM
Hey John:

All looks well so far. Painting all those castings is fun isn't it.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
The stone wall castings look really great, John.

Cheers, Mark.


I thought you might like those castings, Mark.  I have a set of castings glued up for the stone building from Threadwell's that I plan on using this technique on. A future project that is on the short list.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2020, 07:16:55 PM
Hey John:

All looks well so far. Painting all those castings is fun isn't it.

Karl


Thank you, Karl. I need to get the molds out and cast some more of the joiner castings that go in-between the rear castings. I didn't think the roundhouse was going to be this big when I made the castings. :-[  I then have a lot of window castings to paint. This is a big project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 13, 2020, 09:27:16 PM
Update: I painted a lot of grey primer on the roundhouse castings for the concrete parts. I will have many many hours in this part of the project.  Once the primer is dry I will add the pastel chalks. I also finished the moldings in the new section of the layout - a project that I have been going to get back too for months.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 14, 2020, 08:02:04 AM
Hey John:

It may be A big project but I'm sure you will do very well with it.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on May 14, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
John I can't wait to see this start to be put together. 


When you go big your not kidding but I know from the past it will be another beautiful build.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 14, 2020, 12:19:32 PM
Hey John:

It may be A big project but I'm sure you will do very well with it.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the encouraging words.  I have run out of bench space for the castings. :o
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 14, 2020, 12:23:58 PM
John I can't wait to see this start to be put together. 


When you go big your not kidding but I know from the past it will be another beautiful build.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words, I'm about to do a test fit with the base castings now that they are assembled. The walls will start going up as soon as I get one side wall and a few of the back castings painted. I need to make some more of the brick wall sections that join the back walls together, so my molds and molding supplies will be coming out as soon as I get a workbench cleared. Castings everywhere.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 15, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
I few weeks ago I ordered supplies for my layout, basically what do I think I will need in the next few months, trying to order ahead and help out some of our suppliers in this very difficult time for small businesses.  One of my purchases on the getting the shop better organized list was this rack for my Hunterline Stains. I had them all stored in a cabinet and was constantly sorting to find the one I wanted. So here is a shout out for Motrak Models and their storage rack.  I also have their racks for my paints.  Just a cool product that you may want to take a look at.




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Website:



https://motrakmodelsusa.com
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 15, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
Today, I finished all of the location preparation work for the Brick Roundhouse.  I cut the openings in the benchwork and cutaway the bracing, where I needed some clearance.  Now, that that work is completed the base has been moved back to my workbench and the brick floor was weathered to match the floors of the prototypical roundhouses that I have had the pleasure of visiting.  Very little brick shows through the grease and grime mixed with coal dust. I decided that I'm not going to spend a lot of time detailing the interior for this build - it is a working roundhouse and although the outside will be very visiable, the inside will not. I'm going to do a test with some interior LED lighting just to see how much of the locomotives will be visible through the windows on the back of the roundhouse, if I add lighting.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 15, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
I have a couple white spots on the joints that I need to take care of and then it will be time to start building the walls.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 15, 2020, 07:27:38 PM
As I mentioned earlier there are wall sections laying all over my shop right now.  Here is a picture of the walls that have reached my detailing workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on May 16, 2020, 09:16:19 AM
Wow!  Lots of great progress since I last stopped by!  Looking good John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2020, 10:23:03 PM
Wow!  Lots of great progress since I last stopped by!  Looking good John.


Mark


Thank you for stopping by and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 17, 2020, 03:11:32 AM
Hey John:

The roundhouse walls are looking great. Can't qait to see more.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 17, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
Hey John:

The roundhouse walls are looking great. Can't qait to see more.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for stopping by. I should have enough wall sections painted to get started with the assembly process next week.  I need to mold some more brick joiner sections and I'm waiting for some supples so there may be a project hold. It's not like I don't have something else to work on. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 19, 2020, 08:55:38 PM
Roundhouse castings have taken over my workshop.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 19, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
It all looks great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 19, 2020, 09:15:22 PM
Looking fantastic, John!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: engine909 on May 19, 2020, 11:57:40 PM
Beautiful modeling John. You are very kind to share.
TM
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 20, 2020, 12:10:20 AM
Roundhouse castings have taken over my workshop.



Dude, you are a modeling machine!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 20, 2020, 12:23:26 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!! looks like you got lots of work done. I'll have to agree with Vince.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on May 20, 2020, 12:58:42 AM
Looks great John.


Can't wait to see tis monster glued up!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:50:22 AM
It all looks great.




Curt


Thank you for the encouraging words. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:51:56 AM
Looking fantastic, John!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark



Thank you, a couple more days of casting painting and then it's windows. Lots of windows.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:53:28 AM
Beautiful modeling John. You are very kind to share.
TM


TM



Thank you, and you are welcome.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
Roundhouse castings have taken over my workshop.



Dude, you are a modeling machine!


Vince


Thank you for coming up with a nice way of saying I'm crazy. It's okay I have company here on the forum.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:56:31 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!! looks like you got lots of work done. I'll have to agree with Vince.

Karl


Karl



Thank you, I'm not working and Karl speed but it's coming along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
Looks great John.


Can't wait to see tis monster glued up!!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the complements and I'm looking forward to getting the glue bottles out, too. I need to finish the painting and weathering process on the walls and then get the window castings in the windows. I'm hoping to get some wall glued together this week.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on May 20, 2020, 11:43:42 AM
John,
 Your brick roundhouse project is looking fantastic. It will be one of the go to scenes to be looked at area on the S&S RR.
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:37:33 PM
John,
 Your brick roundhouse project is looking fantastic. It will be one of the go to scenes to be looked at area on the S&S RR.
Tommy


Tommy


Thank you for stopping by the thread and for the encouraging words.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
Update:  The first batch of widow castings for the Brick Roundhouse has made it's way through the paint booth.  Now for some window glass and installation.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on May 20, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
Keep at it John.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 21, 2020, 08:58:37 AM
Keep at it John.


Jerry


Yup - I will, it's the only way to get these big projects done.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2020, 09:04:17 AM
Update:  Wayne Olson has been working on a few projects for the layout while we have been in our stay at home mode.  He is bringing over a boat that he just finished and picking up some supplies for making trees and another boat kit.  I will take some pictures of his latest boat models and post them later today. It sure will be nice when this hobby can get back to being fun with friends.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2020, 12:02:53 PM
Here are a few pictures of the boats that Wayne Olson has built for the future water front scene on the S&S  Railroad.


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He will be dropping off one more today. And has kits for two more in his survival kit. The waterfront scene is a large area that will have many boats.  Wayne took the detailing as far as he could go until we have them in place on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 23, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
Those boats look excellent, John. Are those Seaport Model Works kits? Really gorgeous.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 23, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
Beautiful modeling on the boats by your friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 23, 2020, 04:20:01 PM
Very nice, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2020, 09:38:54 PM
Those boats look excellent, John. Are those Seaport Model Works kits? Really gorgeous.


Vince


Thank you, yes Wayne did a great job on them. I believe all three of them are Seaport.  Wayne brought over another one today and I will share a few pictures of it tomorrow. My long range plan for the layout has two areas where I will have waterfront scenes so I have room for a number of boats.  I have been picking up kits at shows for years.  Wayne really like to build boat models so he plans on building a few more.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
Beautiful modeling on the boats by your friend.


Thank you Curt.  Wayne will see your comments.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2020, 09:40:35 PM
Very nice, John.

Cheers, Mark.


Thank you, Wayne appreciates your comments as well.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 24, 2020, 03:56:50 AM
Hey John:

Looks great I'm following along.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2020, 09:00:28 AM
Hey John:

Looks great I'm following along.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words. I'm gluing the first walls together for the Brick Roundhouse, today. I'll take a few pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
Here is a picture of the boat model that Wayne just completed. These boats are going to look so nice in the harbor. I can't wait to get to that area.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on May 24, 2020, 12:09:28 PM
John,
 The boats that Wayne built, are they all from Sea Port Model Works or other companies ?
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
John,
 The boats that Wayne built, are they all from Sea Port Model Works or other companies ?
Tommy


Tommy


Most of the boats are from Sea Port Model Works,  I have also purchased a few from Model Tech and Blue Jacket that are on Wayne's build list. I believe all of them that are pictured in the last couple of pages are from Sea Port - but I could be wrong. If you see one that you question, let me know and I will dig into it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on May 24, 2020, 04:25:47 PM
Good Haul of boats...Nice job, Wayne!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:36:06 AM
Good Haul of boats...Nice job, Wayne!


John


John - Thank you
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on May 25, 2020, 12:49:06 PM

John,
All the boats look wonderful and will really make a great harbor scene.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:04:24 PM

John,
All the boats look wonderful and will really make a great harbor scene.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Update: The brick roundhouse is coming along, I have spent the last couple of weeks painting/coloring and weathering the castings for the walls. Here is a picture of one of my workbenches with finished and semifinished wall castings.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:16:14 PM
As you can see from my glass plate, I'm using three different shades of grey pastel chalk for the stone foundation of the walls. I add alcohol and use the pastels like a paint.  I'm painting individual random stones with the different shades. I started by painting the stones with a grey acrylic primer.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:19:14 PM
In the bottom right corner of the picture above I have a casting that has had the pan pastel added over the brick and stone area of the wall casting. I then use a gum eraser to remove the pan pastel from the surface of the brick leaving the material in the mortar joints.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:21:09 PM
You can achieve many different looks to the wall by how much you remove with the eraser. If I over do it in an area I just reapply and start the process over again. I will touch up the walls once the roundhouse is assembled, but you can get a basic idea of the look from the pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2020, 07:27:01 PM
I had one very time consuming issue that I had to deal with because I used resin for these castings rather than hydrocal.  The window openings were small for the window castings.  I spent many hours with my Dremel and a diamond tool opening them back up to fit the widow castings.  I broke a few window casings before I finally decided that I had to open up the window holes in the castings. The windows do fit the original hydrocal castings that I used to make my molds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on May 25, 2020, 08:47:16 PM
I'm really enjoying this John. Thanks for the tutorial....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 08:08:53 AM
I'm really enjoying this John. Thanks for the tutorial....Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along, and it's my pleasure. I need to remember to keep taking progress pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 26, 2020, 08:38:31 AM
That gum eraser thing is a really neat idea - very clever and the result looks great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 26, 2020, 08:48:06 AM
Everything looks great John. I look forward to seeing it go together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 06:12:42 PM
That gum eraser thing is a really neat idea - very clever and the result looks great.


Vince


It does work great - but they are hard to find. This one is like a piece of clay. I have tried to find them but haven't had any luck lately. The replacement attempts usually are too hard.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 06:15:24 PM
Everything looks great John. I look forward to seeing it go together.


Curt


Thank you for the encouraging words - I'm really looking forward to assembling this beast, too.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 07:57:30 PM
Tonight, a few more progress pictures of the brick roundhouse castings.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 07:58:58 PM
The brush I use to apply the pastel chalk into the mortar joints and blend the grey pastels on the stonework.  The more it wears the better it works.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 08:00:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2020, 08:05:57 PM
I counted the castings for this project today.  There are 137 wall and floor castings. The count for window castings is 229. The total Roundhouse is 15 stalls and is broken into two buildings. A four stall roundhouse and a 11 stall roundhouse.  The track that leads to the roundtable passes between the two Roundhouse buildings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on May 26, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
Now that's modeling.......;) Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on May 26, 2020, 08:34:38 PM
Wow...that's quite a project...will be a real focus point on your layout!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 27, 2020, 03:15:19 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!! look at all that work you got done so far. I can't wait to see this thing assembled and on the layout.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 08:59:54 AM
Now that's modeling....... ;) Dennis


Dennis



I'm sure going through the supplies with this one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
Wow...that's quite a project...will be a real focus point on your layout!


John




John


Thank you for following along. This will be the major center of activity for the new section of the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 09:03:38 AM
Hey John:

WOW!!! look at all that work you got done so far. I can't wait to see this thing assembled and on the layout.

Karl


Karl


There will be some serious glue used on this project. I hope to put up the first walls this afternoon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on May 27, 2020, 09:05:25 AM
Just amazing work John - very nice!
Doug
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on May 27, 2020, 09:07:23 AM
Beautiful!  Looking for the walls together.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 01:37:04 PM
Just amazing work John - very nice!
Doug


Doug


Thanks you for the encouraging words and for following along. It's time to go start the assembly process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 01:38:00 PM
Beautiful!  Looking for the walls together.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you, and me too.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on May 27, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
Looking good, John.

This is going to be one heavy diorama to lift into position when finished!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 07:55:36 PM
Looking good, John.

This is going to be one heavy diorama to lift into position when finished!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


I made the castings out of resin so it is not as bad as hydrocal. We will see - maybe a two person job. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2020, 08:03:04 PM
Tonight, the first walls are up and glued in place on the Brick Roundhouse.  This is the left wall and first stall back wall of the 11 stall portion of the Roundhouse.  Also, the base for the four stall section of the Roundhouse is in the paint booth. The track has also been glued in place for the first stall.  I wanted to get one wall up before I install the rest of the track so I can get started on the jig for the interior beams. I have a lot of strip wood to cut. ;)


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 28, 2020, 07:38:27 AM
Coming to life, now -- luking gude.

Nice collection of weights, too!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2020, 08:06:09 AM
Coming to life, now -- luking gude.

Nice collection of weights, too!


Vince


Thank you, It is nice to see it start coming together. I'm a firm believer in you can never have enough weights. Clamps are the same way.  I don't think a week goes by that I don't go to the shelf and they are all out on projects.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 28, 2020, 09:44:01 AM
This is a project where a construction jig to hold the walls up might be worth the time.  As I get older, I spent more time building jigs :-)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 30, 2020, 08:43:18 PM
This is a project where a construction jig to hold the walls up might be worth the time.  As I get older, I spent more time building jigs :-)


dave


Dave


I'm with you on building jigs.  I will be building a gluing jig for the interior beams.  The workbench that this model is sitting on is a big adjustable jig with T-slots.  I will be using it to hold the back walls.  I started by using all the weights and squares to make sure that the corner was right.  It sets up everything else.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on May 31, 2020, 01:38:36 AM
Hey John:

Cool assembly has started. Can't wait to see more.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 31, 2020, 08:38:22 AM
Hey John:

Cool assembly has started. Can't wait to see more.

Karl


Karl


Yup, the walls are going up! I should have some more glued in place by the end of the day. Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 31, 2020, 08:47:03 AM
Are you doing anything on the inside walls prior to assembly?  Can you post a photo of the back of that first assembled wall?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 31, 2020, 09:07:15 AM
Are you doing anything on the inside walls prior to assembly?  Can you post a photo of the back of that first assembled wall?


dave


Dave



The inside of the walls have the primer at this point. The inside of the structure will never be visible so I plan to just paint them. The beams will be stained driftwood because they will be visible from the front view with my train mounted camera, and from a distance of 3 feet in the 4 stall section of the roundhouse. I will do some experimenting with LED interior lighting to get the light through the windows,  before I glue the roof down. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on May 31, 2020, 09:30:06 AM
You're going to make the roof removable, just in case the 0-5-0 is needed to pick up a derailed loco?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 31, 2020, 01:30:21 PM
You're going to make the roof removable, just in case the 0-5-0 is needed to pick up a derailed loco?


dave


David


My plan right now is to have the back section of roof removable on about every third stall - just in case my 0-5-0 is required. I mounted a coupler on a stick that does the job in most cases - access through the doors - but we must be prepared for everything. I have only used it once on my Stone Roundhouse. ::)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: bparrish on May 31, 2020, 01:44:06 PM
John....


I heard a great new term for an 0-5-0.   




Digital derrick.




Just thinking out loud here.


See ya
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 31, 2020, 02:06:36 PM
John....


I heard a great new term for an 0-5-0.   




Digital derrick.




Just thinking out loud here.


See ya
Bob


Bob


I love it!   ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on May 31, 2020, 08:31:20 PM
The back walls are going up. There will be some touchup work to do where I whipped away some glue that squeezed out but that is a very simple task when everything is together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on May 31, 2020, 10:57:18 PM
John, that looks fantastic. The variation in stone looks very natural.

Where did you get the huge windows? Are those standard parts from Tichy or somebody?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on May 31, 2020, 10:59:06 PM
The walls are coming along very nicely.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 01, 2020, 07:45:01 AM
The coloring on the walls and stones is excellent.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 01, 2020, 08:54:16 AM
John, that looks fantastic. The variation in stone looks very natural.

Where did you get the huge windows? Are those standard parts from Tichy or somebody?


Vince


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  The windows are the roundhouse windows from Tichy.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 01, 2020, 08:54:48 AM
The walls are coming along very nicely.


Steve


Thank you for the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 01, 2020, 08:56:23 AM
The coloring on the walls and stones is excellent.


Curt


Thank you for the kind words. I really like how easy it is to make a touchup repair with this technique.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on June 01, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
Beautiful coloring.


Really like how the brick and stone contrast go together so well.


Excellent job John.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 01, 2020, 08:45:37 PM
Beautiful coloring.


Really like how the brick and stone contrast go together so well.


Excellent job John.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and you kind words. I added a couple more back walls today and started cutting all the pieces for the interior framework. I'm also installing windows in the walls for the 4 stall section of the roundhouse.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 02, 2020, 08:09:07 PM
The brick layers were busy on the S&S RR today.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 02, 2020, 08:10:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 02, 2020, 08:10:36 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 02, 2020, 08:11:42 PM
By the end of the day, the wall assembly had progressed to the point that I could get started with the beams that will support the roof.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 02, 2020, 08:14:25 PM
After studying the plans and beam design that Bob used, I plan to install the beams piece by piece rather than building a fixture and building subassemblies.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 02, 2020, 09:10:06 PM
It's starting to come together. I can't wait to see what you do on the inside.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on June 02, 2020, 10:49:37 PM
John, That is one massive undertaking. wow!!!  I hope mine looks anything close to your's. Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on June 03, 2020, 01:18:51 AM
Starting to look pretty impressive, John!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2020, 07:10:01 AM
It's starting to come together. I can't wait to see what you do on the inside.


Curt


The interior of the roundhouse will be dominated by the beams that hold up the roof. I'm not planning on a lot of interior detail because it will not be visible once the roundhouse is on the layout.  I'm thinking some interior LED lighting so the locomotives will be visible through the windows. The 4 stall section of the roundhouse will get more details because the viewer will be looking into the front doors. We will see how it looks once it's on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2020, 07:14:05 AM
John, That is one massive undertaking. wow!!!  I hope mine looks anything close to your's. Dennis


Dennis




This is big - I haven't cut this much strip wood for a project since my trestle. The beams are a big project in themselves. The table saw is getting a workout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2020, 07:16:19 AM
Starting to look pretty impressive, John!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words. It's starting to look like a roundhouse now.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on June 03, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
Hey John:

Looks like you are moving right along. I'll be following this with much interest.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2020, 07:08:28 PM
Hey John:

Looks like you are moving right along. I'll be following this with much interest.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on June 04, 2020, 08:50:09 AM
Hey John:

You are quite welcome.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on June 04, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
John,

Haven't check in on your progress for some time. Wow, what a huge roundhouse, I love it. Exterior walls are wonderfully nasty, great job.

Keep the progress going my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 04, 2020, 09:46:16 PM
John,

Haven't check in on your progress for some time. Wow, what a huge roundhouse, I love it. Exterior walls are wonderfully nasty, great job.

Keep the progress going my friend.

Tom  ;D




Tom 


Thanks for stopping by to see my wonderfully nasty walls. We keep plugging away at it, my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 06, 2020, 09:12:34 AM
Update: I took a few days off from the layout to get some work done around the house and take care of the Grandkids. I'm back at it this morning. I got my mold making supplies while I was away so I can get the castings made that I need to complete the Roundhouse project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 07, 2020, 03:00:39 PM
I'm moving again on the Brick Roundhouse.  One more back wall casting and the brick walls will be assembled for the 11 stall portion of the roundhouse. The glue is also drying on the tracks for the last two stalls. I'm working on the wood pieces for the roof beams while the glue dries. The base for 4 stall portion of the roundhouse is waiting on my workbench.  I have to put the glass in the windows of the last side wall casting and the wall castings will be ready to be assembled.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 07, 2020, 03:32:31 PM
WOW, that's going to be huge. I didn't realize it has 11 stalls.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 07, 2020, 09:31:49 PM
WOW, that's going to be huge. I didn't realize it has 11 stalls.


Curt


Yes, this is big.  There will be a 4 stall building right next to it so there will be 15 roundhouse stalls off the turntable.  And also a yet to be determined number of outside tracks. It will serve as the hub of locomotive activity on the S&S RR.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on June 09, 2020, 12:53:19 AM
Hey John:

More progress and it's looking just great. I just can't wait to see this finished.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 09, 2020, 07:49:43 AM
Hey John:

More progress and it's looking just great. I just can't wait to see this finished.

Karl


Karl


The project is moving along, I glued the last wall section on the 11 stall building last night. I'm going to be working on the interior beams and the walls for the second, 4 stall, building, today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on June 09, 2020, 09:06:21 AM
A monster in the making.


This will be a huge focal point of the RR.


Your usually outstanding work John.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 09, 2020, 03:24:56 PM
A monster in the making.


This will be a huge focal point of the RR.


Your usually outstanding work John.


Jerry


Jerry


Yes it's big. Thank you for following along and the kind words.  I'm cutting strip wood for the interior beams.  Amazing amount of strip wood required.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on June 09, 2020, 05:14:45 PM
Hey John:

sounds good I'm watching and following along.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2020, 09:20:57 PM

A few progress pictures. First, the track has been glued down on the base for the 4 stall portion of the Roundhouse.






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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2020, 09:24:55 PM
The interior beam work is starting to go into the larger 11 stall section of the Roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2020, 09:25:25 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2020, 09:26:07 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100620211615-44513274.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2020, 09:26:57 PM
I also started gluing the wall sections together for the Boiler House.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on June 11, 2020, 03:28:26 AM
Wow , this could be on the docu , "Massive Engineering Projects", so large and looking great so far.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2020, 07:27:59 AM
Wow , this could be on the docu , "Massive Engineering Projects", so large and looking great so far.


Jan


Thank you for following along and the kind words.  I have a lot of wood to cut and glue to complete the interior framework.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 11, 2020, 07:28:48 AM
Very cool.  Did you drill holes for the wood to sit in or are they glued flat to the base?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2020, 07:35:52 AM
Very cool.  Did you drill holes for the wood to sit in or are they glued flat to the base?


Curt


Most of the posts are sitting on top of the base.  The front posts sit in holes that are molded in the base. It took a lot of clamping and checking to get things started out square and level but it's much easier once you get the first couple stalls started.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on June 11, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
Nice progress, John.  Its really starting to take shape.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 12, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
Nice progress, John.  Its really starting to take shape.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for following along - I have a lot of wood beams to put in the way I chose to do this.  I think they will look good as the only interior view will be through the open doors.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 12, 2020, 01:26:17 PM
The walls are starting to go up on the 4 stall section of the Brick Roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 14, 2020, 07:58:56 AM
The framing crew continues to make progress on the 11 stall section of the Roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 14, 2020, 09:30:36 AM
Very cool and nicely done John. What size wood are you using?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 14, 2020, 07:50:14 PM
Very cool and nicely done John. What size wood are you using?


Curt


Thank you for the encouraging words. The posts are 1/8 inch square and the beams are 1/8 x 3/16 inches.  This is the sizes that Bob used in the kit. I will be staining them to look like beams that have been in a smoke filled steam locomotive roundhouse.  I did a color check and stain test in the back left corner.  There is a lot of detail to this interior structure that will not be seen once the roof goes on but I think it will look cool through the open roundhouse doors.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on June 15, 2020, 02:02:24 AM
Very impressive, John.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2020, 08:27:16 AM
Very impressive, John.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along.  I'm making progress - there is a lot of cutting involved with the interior beam structure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2020, 08:28:19 AM
The brick walls are up for the 4 stall section of the roundhouse - waiting on the carpenters to start the interior beams.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on June 15, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
Awesome structure to compliment your majestic rocks. Those giant beams will look amazing when distressed and stained!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on June 15, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
John

WOW!

Doug
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: sdrees on June 15, 2020, 12:25:15 PM
Great looking work John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2020, 07:35:10 PM
Awesome structure to compliment your majestic rocks. Those giant beams will look amazing when distressed and stained!


John


John


Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words, and yes they are giant beams.  If you look at the spans involved in a building this size I think they are appropriate - especially in snow country.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2020, 07:38:28 PM
John

WOW!

Doug


Doug


Yup - I think I may have got out of control with this project. The strip wood consumption is spiking on the S&S RR. Almost as bad as the summer I built the trestle. :-[  I filled my table saw full of sawdust, yesterday.  Then it was time to empty the shop vac.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2020, 07:40:43 PM
Great looking work John


Steve


Thank you for the encouraging words, I need to keep up the momentum on this project.  I need to do some quicker builds when I'm through. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on June 16, 2020, 08:28:38 AM
John looking good.  Everything is lined up perfectly.


An the work goes on.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 16, 2020, 08:47:45 AM
John looking good.  Everything is lined up perfectly.


An the work goes on.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along. Yes the fun continues, I'm taking a couple days to get some outside chores done while the weather is good, but I will be back at this project later in the week.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 18, 2020, 07:30:57 AM
Update: I have been spending my build time working on the interior beam structure for the Brick Roundhouse the last few days.  I need to take some more progress photographs.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 18, 2020, 10:14:05 AM
Here is a progress photograph - the front section of the Roundhouse has beam - except for a stick or two which need to wait until the rest of the glue dries. I'm starting across with the clapboard on the top - I can't wait to cut all those windows ;) . I will start going back and forth between the 11 stall section and 4 stall section of the building while I wait for the glue to try from here on out.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 18, 2020, 10:19:22 AM
I have gone through 1 bundle (20 -24 inch long pieces) of 1/8 inch square and 1 bundle of 3/16 x 1/8 inch strip wood.  I found 10 pieces of 1/8 inch by 4 inch by 24 inches long basswood in my stash, so I'm going to cut them to size for the rest of the strip wood. The table saw will be busy.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 18, 2020, 01:18:07 PM
Excellent modeling.  The wood beams look great especially when compared to plastic ones.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 18, 2020, 01:36:56 PM
Excellent modeling.  The wood beams look great especially when compared to plastic ones.


Curt

Thank you, originally I was going to make one beam assembly - make a mold - and then cast the rest out of resin. I'm glad I decided to go with the wood. It is taking awhile but I enjoy working with wood. I'm to the point that I only use resin for stone and brick walls when I can't use the laser cut walls from Monster.  If the rumor is true that Jimmy is coming back into production of his walls,  I may be done with resin.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on June 18, 2020, 02:39:43 PM
It's a good day when you get to make more sawdust  :D


dave  (who made some sawdust himself today, cutting hardboard and supports for my 'vertical access panel'.)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on June 18, 2020, 03:37:41 PM
Hey John:

Looking just beautiful. WOW!!!! lots of beams to assemble.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 18, 2020, 06:48:29 PM
It's a good day when you get to make more sawdust  :D


dave  (who made some sawdust himself today, cutting hardboard and supports for my 'vertical access panel'.)


Dave


Yes it is.  I have been having so much fun I filled my 10 gallon shop vac. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 18, 2020, 06:51:09 PM
Hey John:

Looking just beautiful. WOW!!!! lots of beams to assemble.

Karl


Karl


Thank you my friend, it's going faster now that I have two sections of the building going and I stop trying to add just a couple more sticks before I let the glue dry.  Usually, if you try to add another stick you knock the last one out of location and have to start over.  That's why I always like to have three builds going at the same time. I think the beams are going to look good once I get them stained and weathered.  Doing it after assembly is usually not recommended but I have had good luck with it so far.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on June 18, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
John here's Jimmy's new website.  Just got an email from him yesterday.


www.larkspurlaserart.com (http://www.larkspurlaserart.com)


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 19, 2020, 08:08:11 AM
John here's Jimmy's new website.  Just got an email from him yesterday.


www.larkspurlaserart.com (http://www.larkspurlaserart.com)


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the link.  I will be keeping an eye on his products and where he goes with this.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 19, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Thank you for the link.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 20, 2020, 06:16:15 PM
I ran into a little problem a couple days ago when I started to make the clapboard walls sections for the upper portion of the Roundhouse. With three windows so close together I couldn't get the sections to hold together. I tried cutting them with my 90 degree corner punch, with a #11 exacto blade, and a single edge razor blade.  I tried tape on the back and gluing cardboard to the back and I still couldn't get them to stay together. I then tried making them with two windows, and it worked great. no issues with splitting. So I made a couple up and took a picture.  After sleeping on it, I came back in the workshop this morning and decided I didn't like the way they looked. Here is a picture.

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Yes, the clapboard is upside down - it was late last night.  I didn't bother taking a picture when I turned them around. I just don't like the two windows.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 20, 2020, 06:23:56 PM
So I went to plan B. If you have built one of George Sellios' older kits you will remember that George cut the windows out with his table saw and strategically placed joint lines to make his clapboard walls. The days before lasers. I decided to give it a try and it worked great. I made one and glued it  together for a test. Here is a picture of it mounted on the roundhouse. It works great so I spent a couple hours making sawdust this morning and cut enough pieces for 15 front wall sections.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200620180938-445761495.jpeg)

I'm not worrying about the yellow stains on the strip wood from the glue - it will all be covered by the stain and chalk that I will use to stain the wood. The Titebond III glue that I'm using now makes a great bond but it does stain the wood. If the final coloring process does not cover the stain you need to clean up the glue joints with a Q-Tip and some alcohol before the glue dries.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 20, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
Here is a picture of my workbench after the morning at the table saw. I'm ready to go into production assembly mode.  One of the three window wall sections that I glued up after breaking it during the cutting is laying on the cutting pad.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on June 20, 2020, 07:58:08 PM
Your doing a beautiful job John.....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on June 21, 2020, 04:09:12 AM
You handled that great John , the 3 window version looks best , I do wonder if the 2 window version would have looked good had you divided them with a little more space in the middle.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2020, 06:59:51 AM
Your doing a beautiful job John.....Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words - I built up the front walls last night. Now for the back ones with 4 windows each. The paint booth is going to be busy soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2020, 07:14:17 AM
You handled that great John , the 3 window version looks best , I do wonder if the 2 window version would have looked good had you divided them with a little more space in the middle.


Jan


Thank you for the encouragement and I think you are right about the  window version - longer windows would also help but I like the three window version best and we have a fabrication solution. I think we forget how much easier modeling is when you cut things out with a laser. A few years from now I have plans to build a large section of the layout with all scratch built prototypical buildings. I may start looking at laser options. I wonder if I can get fast enough with the CAD work to make it pay off - time wise.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 21, 2020, 08:21:35 AM
The end result looks great and I also think the 3 window version looks best.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
The end result looks great and I also think the 3 window version looks best.


Curt


Thank you for following along and the kind words. I'm gluing sticks together, today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on June 21, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
Third time's a charm!!  In this case perfect choice!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on June 21, 2020, 01:36:20 PM
The 'reason' why the 3 window setup looks so much better is that the whole idea of that clerestory is to let in more light into the roundhouse.  So a clerestory with less than "maximum windows' just looks strange. 


This is coming along great, I'm really enjoying the detailed build.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on June 21, 2020, 03:17:14 PM
Looking good, John.

I'm just wondering why the ends of the clapboard wall sections don't line up with the timber beams between each track?

Re the cutting of clapboard (just wondering if it might help - for next time) - I would cut out the middle window first, then the far end of the two outside windows, then about 3/4 the way along the outside windows (leaving a quarter of clapboard remaining). then the last bit.  This should ease the pressure on the remaining piece a bit.  I would cut all the way through against the grain first (I often flip the walls over to finish this) on every cut, and would put tape on the back before I started.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Third time's a charm!!  In this case perfect choice!!


Jerry


Thank you Jerry. I can't wait to start putting the roof on this.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2020, 07:26:32 PM
The 'reason' why the 3 window setup looks so much better is that the whole idea of that clerestory is to let in more light into the roundhouse.  So a clerestory with less than "maximum windows' just looks strange. 


This is coming along great, I'm really enjoying the detailed build.


dave


Dave


Thank you for following along and the kind words. I agree with the comments on the clerestory - if I had this to do over again I would make a strip wood frame and add another window or larger windows.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2020, 09:01:01 PM
Looking good, John.

I'm just wondering why the ends of the clapboard wall sections don't line up with the timber beams between each track?

Re the cutting of clapboard (just wondering if it might help - for next time) - I would cut out the middle window first, then the far end of the two outside windows, then about 3/4 the way along the outside windows (leaving a quarter of clapboard remaining). then the last bit.  This should ease the pressure on the remaining piece a bit.  I would cut all the way through against the grain first (I often flip the walls over to finish this) on every cut, and would put tape on the back before I started.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Good eye.  I started adding the upper posts by placing a clapboard wall section in place and then adding the post at the end.  I got to the third or fourth post and said something is wrong here. I took the picture before figuring out what caused the error. I worked out a solution today and fixed the problem. It turns out that my original clapboard wall section was about an 1/8 of an inch too long (1/16 inch on a side from the centerline) so the error was getting bigger with each stall as I started adding the posts. I cut the original from a photocopy template so that's what probably caused the original increase in length. I added each post right on top of the beams and sanded the wall sections to fit and got a nice custom fit all the way around the 11 stalls.


On the clapboard issue I think part of my problem was that the clapboard sheet I used has been sitting on the shelf for many years and I think it was dried out and brittle.  I tried many different techniques to try and cut the window openings but I was doing way to much breaking.  The table saw cut technique worked great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 22, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
Update: I cut the pieces to build the upper back clapboard walls for the clerestory this morning - assembly will start this evening. The issue with the front clerestory posts is fixed and the walls and wall castings are drying in the paint booth. Now, I have to go mow the lawn and move a couple yards of dirt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 25, 2020, 07:20:44 AM
Update: The summer chores have slowed progress on the roundhouse and the layout in general for the past couple weeks.  I'm cutting and gluing the interior framework together and started the staining process. I'm in the couple hours here and a couple hours there mode right now.   I will take some pictures when I get a little further along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 28, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
Here is a progress picture of the Brick Roundhouse build.  I have three more stalls of the rear interior beam work to complete and it will be time finish staining the interior beams and add the the clerestory walls and roof.  I also started scratch building the doors for the roundhouse. I'm making them out of wood.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280620141314.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 28, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
Looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 28, 2020, 07:38:28 PM
Looks great John.


Thank you Curt.  This evening I'm working on a scratch built door for the roundhouse. I'm going to model all the doors in the open position because they are not reachable once the structure is in place on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 29, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
Here is door number one of the thirty that are required for the Brick Roundhouse build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 29, 2020, 06:27:17 PM
Nice job on the door John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 29, 2020, 07:20:40 PM
Nice job on the door John.


Thank you for the complement.  I made 25 of them today.  I ran out of painted strip wood so I'm waiting for the paint to dry before assembling the final 5.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 30, 2020, 03:53:36 PM
The interior beam work is complete on the 11 stall portion of the Brick Roundhouse. I got about half it stained last night before I ran out of gas. As you can see from the templates on the roof I'm getting ready to start cutting the roof cards.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300620151848-446722281.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 30, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
I went for strength on the back beams, rather than prototypical, because once the roof cards go on they will not be visible. I will be using project board from Dick Blick for my roof cards.  It is 1/16 inch thick and is more of a composite board rather than the cardboard that is standard for kit roof cards. Postalkarl recommended this in one of his threads a few years back so it's a forum tip being reused. Thank you Karl. I have started using it for a lot of applications on the S&S RR.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300620151849-44673583.jpeg)


Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 30, 2020, 04:02:44 PM
The roof cards are going to get a coat of black paint before installation.   If you look closely you will find a few water management features that were added to make up the difference in the castings that was discussed earlier in the thread.  I need to shim the bottom of the back castings on the left side to get the right height so the left side matched the right side. Only forum members will know once the roof cards go on.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 30, 2020, 04:17:49 PM
Looks great John.  Are you planning on putting any other roofing on the cards?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on June 30, 2020, 04:48:00 PM
Looks great John.  Are you planning on putting any other roofing on the cards?


Curt


Thank you, and yes I plan on the traditional rolled roofing.  I had a passing thought of doing shingles but a quick calculation of how many sheets I would need put an end to that idea.  This is a big roof and I will have four more stalls right next to it that need a matching roof.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 01, 2020, 10:46:30 AM
Here is door number one of the thirty that are required for the Brick Roundhouse build.


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John that is one nice looking door!!  Color wise its perfect.  Good luck with the next 29!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 01, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
Here is door number one of the thirty that are required for the Brick Roundhouse build.


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John that is one nice looking door!!  Color wise its perfect.  Good luck with the next 29!!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you, I'm not going to put a lot of detail into them because they will only be visible on the edge and two ends because they will be mounted in the open position.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 02, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
The template cards are back on the workbench for the G. Wilikers build.  As soon as I get the windows in the Brick Roundhouse clerestory wall sections my detailing workbench will be available to continue the build. I have managed to paint most of the detail castings in-between Brick Roundhouse build steps.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 03, 2020, 03:52:04 PM
I took a quick picture of the Roundhouse with the beams completed and stained - let the roofing begin.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 03, 2020, 04:25:05 PM
Just "wow"...


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on July 03, 2020, 06:54:24 PM
Just "wow"...


dave

Man, you said it. John, what a spectacular scene that will be. So nice....
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PaulS on July 03, 2020, 07:16:08 PM
Most impressive John !!
The roundhouse complex is going to make quite a statement on the S&S RR !!
Keep up the great work and looking forward to your updates and progress,
--Paul
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 03, 2020, 07:32:19 PM
Just "wow"...


dave


Dave


I know it's big and there will be another 4 stalls beside it. I can't wait to see it on the layout. I like the dark beams - it will look like steam locomotives live here once the roof goes on and the interior has some LED lighting.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 03, 2020, 07:33:41 PM
Just "wow"...


dave

Man, you said it. John, what a spectacular scene that will be. So nice....


Vince


Thank you for the encouraging comments. This has been a big project and I'm getting real excited to get it on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 03, 2020, 07:36:18 PM
Most impressive John !!
The roundhouse complex is going to make quite a statement on the S&S RR !!
Keep up the great work and looking forward to your updates and progress,
--Paul


Paul


Thank you for the kind words and for following along.  It's about to start looking like a roundhouse.  I have window castings laying all over my workbench with the window glass drying.  I will be installing windows in the clerestory walls tomorrow.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 03, 2020, 07:41:54 PM
Spectacular John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 03, 2020, 07:44:36 PM
Spectacular John.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on July 04, 2020, 07:20:35 AM
John,

I've been following along with your roundhouse exploits. Wow, what a great looking structure. With it full of steam locos and yard junk it will certainly be an  eye catcher. Great job my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 07:51:30 AM
John,

I've been following along with your roundhouse exploits. Wow, what a great looking structure. With it full of steam locos and yard junk it will certainly be an  eye catcher. Great job my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for your kind words and for following along. I'm anxious to start adding the steam locomotives.  It's all the detail work that we will see from here on out. Thanks again my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 04, 2020, 08:29:05 AM
Excellent workmanship!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 04:22:40 PM
Excellent workmanship!!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words. My strip wood supply has taken a hit on the project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 04:32:42 PM
My workbench has window castings drying everywhere you look.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 04:35:19 PM
And finally for today, roof card number one of many is glued in place.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on July 04, 2020, 08:06:14 PM
Good Lord that's quite an undertaking John!   :o  You have the patience of a Saint.   ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 08:24:30 PM
Good Lord that's quite an undertaking John!   :o  You have the patience of a Saint.   ;D


Well Bob, all I can say is that it keeps me out of trouble.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 08:25:23 PM
The interior beams are almost ready for the stain on the four stall section of the roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
It is amazing how everything looks like it's going at a strange angle in a picture of a roundhouse. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2020, 08:29:14 PM
I painted the white clapboard with white /grey paint.  When I started installing the first one on the roundhouse it looks way to white for a steam locomotive roundhouse.  So they went back to the workbench for some A&I washes. You can see them in the workbench picture a couple pictures back.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on July 06, 2020, 01:44:13 AM
Lots of work has been done while I've been away, and looking good!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 06, 2020, 04:07:23 PM
Hey John:

What can I say. I looks just beautiful. Can't wait for more.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 05:38:33 PM
Lots of work has been done while I've been away, and looking good!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Great to see you back! We are progressing at summer time speed on this one. Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
Hey John:

What can I say. I looks just beautiful. Can't wait for more.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - I took a couple progress pictures of the roof cards going on this morning that I will post after dinner.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on July 06, 2020, 08:25:38 PM
John, That's a gorgeous job. Can't believe the quality you do....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:28:28 PM
John, That's a gorgeous job. Can't believe the quality you do....Dennis


Dennis


Thank you for the kind words and for following along. I have a few progress pictures from this morning.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:41:32 PM
A few progress pictures from this morning. It's starting to look like a roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:42:06 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:48:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:48:59 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2020, 08:49:20 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 06, 2020, 09:14:13 PM
Beautiful looking. It will be a true centerpiece on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on July 06, 2020, 09:30:07 PM
John -- of course, looking tremendous. Looks like it won't be long before you have the final scene.

I am just now noticing that you have an unusually fantastic collection of tools. All sorts of clamps, for example. Where do you keep them all ?!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2020, 07:21:18 AM
Beautiful looking. It will be a true centerpiece on the layout.


Curt


Thank you for the encouraging words. I can't wait to get all my steam locomotives out of the boxes and load this roundhouse.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2020, 07:45:26 AM
John -- of course, looking tremendous. Looks like it won't be long before you have the final scene.

I am just now noticing that you have an unusually fantastic collection of tools. All sorts of clamps, for example. Where do you keep them all ?!


Vince


Yes, I have collected a lot of tools over the years. My favorite, and best tools, I inherited from my dad.  The materials and heat treating of the hand tools made 50 years ago are much better than what you can buy today.  The CFO of the S&S RR will be quick to inform you that I have also spent a lot of money on tools over the years.


The tools are stored on and in 5 work benches in my workshop. You will see builds going on on three of these workbenches most of the time. Two of the workbenches hold my saws, sanders, and various other power tools and provide working surfaces for subassemblies etc. I have a place for everything but keeping it in that place continues to be an issue.  At the end of every project I spend the time to put everything where it is supposed to go, which helps. Having the right tools definitely helps, especially as my hands don't work as well as they once did.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 07, 2020, 09:26:08 AM
John if I can ask a rather mundane question- Where are you planning on attaching the feeder wires for the RH tracks?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2020, 10:46:25 AM
John if I can ask a rather mundane question- Where are you planning on attaching the feeder wires for the RH tracks?


Curt


That's actually a very good question. Since this is not my first Roundhouse build  (see the Stone Roundhouse build thread) the wires are going to be soldiered to the bottom of the tracks right next to the buildings. They will be very easy to hide when the roundhouse is installed on the layout.  I will be putting them on as one of the last workbench steps of the build.  All those wires are always in the way until you get the assembled roundhouse on the layout. I will try to remember to take a picture of the process when we get there.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 08:01:17 PM
Today, I did a lighting test of the inside LED lights.  These pictures are of the 4 stall section of the roundhouse.  I'm still working on the 11 stall building.


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The roundhouse is going to be at eye level when it is in place on the layout so I wanted just enough light to be able to see the locomotives (and all those wood beams I spent all those hours on) through the windows.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 08:02:37 PM
The pictures are with my iPhone, and not very good, but you get the idea.  I will get some good pictures with the SLR once the roundhouse is in place on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 08, 2020, 08:16:25 PM
I like the brightness of the lights. It's a good fit since lights were generally not as bright as now.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 08:37:42 PM
I like the brightness of the lights. It's a good fit since lights were generally not as bright as now.


Curt


Thank you for the comment. The LED's are mounted on the floor in the back of the roundhouse - one at each post.  The roof cards are painted black on the top but I left them white on the inside so they can reflect  and disperse the light. I like white I see looking through the windows with my eyes - camera didn't capture it as well as I would like.  The window is out of focus.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 08:52:29 PM
The Superior and Seattle Railroad received a shipment yesterday after two weeks of anxious waiting for the post office to come through with a shipment. Dan Raymond sent me the first batch of vehicles he is building for the S&S RR. As you know, Dan's vehicle builds are works of art. I spent my life in the automobile business and Dan's detail work on these models is superb.


The plan for these vehicles is to have them move around the layout - like the trains - so they will be seen in different settings from time to time.


This evening they all visited Bob Butts' Avram's build, for a car show.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 08:54:53 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 08, 2020, 08:59:05 PM
Beautiful vehicles.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:07:24 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:08:23 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:09:44 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:10:46 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2020, 09:16:30 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on July 09, 2020, 02:34:47 AM
Nice to see some new starts of the show there, courtesy of Dan.  Some lovely additions to your empire.

I agree that the light in the roundhouse looks just right - not too bright.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 09, 2020, 07:39:40 AM
Hey John:

They all look just great. Enjoy em. Like the Avrams too.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on July 09, 2020, 08:46:29 AM
Wow.   :o  Dan's work is fantastic.  Those look really wonderful.  They're a great addition to the layout!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2020, 08:52:38 AM
Nice to see some new starts of the show there, courtesy of Dan.  Some lovely additions to your empire.

I agree that the light in the roundhouse looks just right - not too bright.

Cheers, Mark.


Hi Mark


Thank you for stopping by and the encouraging words. Dan sure does some amazing work. I'm very thankful to have his contribution to the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2020, 08:53:50 AM
Hey John:

They all look just great. Enjoy em. Like the Avrams too.

Karl


Karl


Thank you
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
Wow.   :o  Dan's work is fantastic.  Those look really wonderful.  They're a great addition to the layout!


Bob


Thank you for stopping by and your wonderful contributions to the layout. The Avram's build sure made a great spot for a car show.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Raymo on July 09, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
Glad they made it in one piece for the time they spent at the P.O. distribution center.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2020, 10:26:46 AM
Glad they made it in one piece for the time they spent at the P.O. distribution center.


Me too! I was very worried we had lost them.  Dan is referring to the fact that the priority shipping box that he shipped them in went MIA in the Detroit distribution center for two weeks.  Total time for 2 day shipping - three weeks. Dan had them packaged so well there was no damage. This is not his first rodeo.  ;) We need the EXPO's and Narrow Gauge Conventions back so we can meet in person and I can drive them back myself.  Thank you again Dan for the beautiful contributions to the S&S RR. Your detail work is amazing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Raymo on July 09, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
Glad they made it in one piece for the time they spent at the P.O. distribution center.


Me too! I was very worried we had lost them.  Dan is referring to the fact that the priority shipping box that he shipped them in went MIA in the Detroit distribution center for two weeks.  Total time for 2 day shipping - three weeks. Dan had them packaged so well there was no damage. This is not his first rodeo.  ;) We need the EXPO's and Narrow Gauge Conventions back so we can meet in person and I can drive them back myself.  Thank you again Dan for the beautiful contributions to the S&S RR. Your detail work is amazing.
I try..👍
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on July 09, 2020, 12:14:52 PM
John.
 The roundhouse projects looks great . Bob's FSM bakery is a beautiful structure. Dan's cars and trucks are a work of art.
Looks like the S&S RR is a proud dream coming true in your home. Thanks for sharing all your work in these photos as an inspiration for all of us.
 Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on July 09, 2020, 01:59:34 PM
Dan does have the gift with making vehicles.  They look fantastic.  Bob's structure ain't bad either!   ;D


Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2020, 07:16:23 PM
John.
 The roundhouse projects looks great . Bob's FSM bakery is a beautiful structure. Dan's cars and trucks are a work of art.
Looks like the S&S RR is a proud dream coming true in your home. Thanks for sharing all your work in these photos as an inspiration for all of us.
 Tommy


Tommy


Thank you for following along and the kind words - one of the best parts of this hobby is the friends you make along the way and having Bob's and Dan's work as part of the layout is fantastic.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2020, 07:20:05 PM
Dan does have the gift with making vehicles.  They look fantastic.  Bob's structure ain't bad either!   ;D


Jeff


Jeff


Thank you.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2020, 07:39:15 PM
Well - the monster is about ready for the roofing crew. At the end of the day today I staged a ream of black construction paper on my workbench, along with the paper cutter.  How many sheets do you think I will need? I need to add a few wall sections in the back of the clerestory and the roofing will began. After the roofing I need to go over the complete model and touch up the detailing, and then add the doors. At that point, I will be moving this model to the layout for planting.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2020, 07:43:01 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2020, 07:54:12 PM
Here is a couple progress pictures of the back of the roundhouse.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2020, 07:55:45 PM
Finally, for tonight, a progress picture of the 4 stall section of the roundhouse.  The roof cards are all cut and waiting in the paint booth.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Judge on July 10, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
John - WOW!  That is going to be one heck of a roundhouse.  I can't wait to see it finished.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: cuse on July 11, 2020, 07:22:43 AM
Magnificent seems like the right word for that roundhouse...that will be an epic scene on an epic layout.


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 11, 2020, 08:34:32 AM
Just beautiful work!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 11, 2020, 09:01:20 AM
Incredible looking roundhouse John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 11, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
Hey John:

Looks just beautiful. Can't wait to see it on the layout.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on July 11, 2020, 08:52:28 PM
John,


My hat's off to you!  That is simply beautiful! 


Do you have a forklift hidden in your basement to move models like this (and the larger roundhouse) to the layout?  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 11, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
John - WOW!  That is going to be one heck of a roundhouse.  I can't wait to see it finished.


Judge


Thank you - we are getting close now.  I will be doing a lot of detail work once it is installed on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 11, 2020, 09:33:29 PM
Magnificent seems like the right word for that roundhouse...that will be an epic scene on an epic layout.


John


John


Thank you - it's going to look even better once it is surrounded by some scenery. I have a plan. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 11, 2020, 09:33:54 PM
Just beautiful work!!


Jerry


Thank you Jerry.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 11, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
Incredible looking roundhouse John.


Thank you Curt. This has been a long project - I may see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 11, 2020, 09:36:11 PM
Hey John:

Looks just beautiful. Can't wait to see it on the layout.

Karl




Karl


Thank you - this will be the first structure on the new section so it will need some scenery around it to look it's best.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 11, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
John,


My hat's off to you!  That is simply beautiful! 


Do you have a forklift hidden in your basement to move models like this (and the larger roundhouse) to the layout?  ;D


Jerry


Thank you, I have a cart and and a couple arms that grew up throwing bales of hay. I may bring in reinforcements just in case. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on July 11, 2020, 09:50:25 PM
Looking great, John!

I'm curious as the whether you are going to add rafter tails to all that roofing?  You could set some sort of a record!  Up there with Georges I. M. Boren!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2020, 09:32:23 AM
Looking great, John!

I'm curious as the whether you are going to add rafter tails to all that roofing?  You could set some sort of a record!  Up there with Georges I. M. Boren!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the kind words  - I think I will let the rafter tail record stay were it is.   ;)  That sure would be a lot of rafter tails. I finished off the roof the same way Bob did it with his kit. This has been personal time spent on a single build record for me - a very big project. I think I'm going to be very happy with it on the layout. And it serves a necessary function for the railroad, too. I have my next three builds all ready to go on my workbenches as soon as the roofing and doors are finished.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 13, 2020, 09:36:58 PM
I had a package waiting for me when I got back from the Northern Hqtrs. this afternoon.  This will be one of my next three builds after the completion of the Brick Roundhouse.  Also, on the table is the first shipment of Castings from Bob VanGelder's molds, now owned by Rail Scale Miniatures.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 13, 2020, 09:38:03 PM
You will notice that the roof vents for the roundhouse are in this batch of castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on July 13, 2020, 09:47:14 PM
John,


I'm really looking forward to the construction of Whispering Falls.  (I cannot imagine why, can you?)  ;D ;D



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 13, 2020, 10:02:36 PM
John,


I'm really looking forward to the construction of Whispering Falls.  (I cannot imagine why, can you?)  ;D ;D


Jerry


I thought of you you as I was planning to buy this kit. I opened the boxes tonight and it really looks like a great kit. I have some extra details and outbuildings that will be part of my scene. I know I will have questions for you as I go - I want mine to be 1949 timeframe so I will have some equipment questions. I know I need rectangular hay bails in that time frame - when did farms start switching to round bales?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: EricQuebec on July 14, 2020, 07:51:13 PM
John,
I will foolow your effort on this kit for sure.
But may I suggest you to read the excellent thread concerning this kit from Ensign. He had discover a lot of small mistake in the kit and have very well documented them.
just for said.
Eric
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ReadingBob on July 14, 2020, 08:04:37 PM
Okay.  Whispering Falls slipped by my radar.  I hadn't heard of or seen this one.  Looks interesting.  I'll be following along for sure.   ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 14, 2020, 09:03:27 PM
John,
I will foolow your effort on this kit for sure.
But may I suggest you to read the excellent thread concerning this kit from Ensign. He had discover a lot of small mistake in the kit and have very well documented them.
just for said.
Eric


Eric


Thank you for following along and yes I'm reading through Greg's build thread to get his tips.  A sheet was included in the box that recommended Greg's build thread and offered a pdf file with the drawing changes and tips. I'm really excited about this kit the contents look excellent - Casting quality, detail, etc. also look great. I will let you know through this thread how it builds.  Tonight, I'm sitting in my gazebo studying the build and looking at options on how I can organize the buildings for my location on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 14, 2020, 09:08:37 PM
Okay.  Whispering Falls slipped by my radar.  I hadn't heard of or seen this one.  Looks interesting.  I'll be following along for sure.   ;)


Bob


I saw it when it came out and really loved it, but I couldn't come up with a place for it on my layout.  After trying to design the town I had planned for this area I decided I had way to many structures and will move the town to the new area close to the location of my Brick Roundhouse build. So I contacted Rail Scale Miniatures and was happy to learn that one was still available. As I said above, judging from the box contents, I think this is going to be a great build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 14, 2020, 09:37:50 PM
Update: Today, the roofers made a good start on the rolled roofing for the 11 stall Brick Roundhouse. They will be at this for a few days. The doors are all ready to install when the roofers are done.  The roof vents arrived and are being prepared for the paint booth.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on July 14, 2020, 09:48:38 PM
John,


According to their website, New Holland first built a round baler in 1974.  Their first square balers with pickup heads debuted around 1940.  Other manufacturers followed New Holland's lead and IH and John Deere balers with pickup heads came out in 1945.  If you check this link there is a black and white photo on page 3.  That pretty much is how my dad and grandfather put up baled hay for their dairy after WWII.  The Farmall H tractor they used had the more common (at least in our area) narrow front.  The baler is a Model 76.  I believe it was the second model offered by New Holland.  It was powered by a two cylinder Wisconsin engine and used belts to feed the hay into the chamber.  It dropped the bales on the ground and they had a bale loader like the one in the photo. Theirs hooked to the left side of the truck so it was easier for the driver to see the bales and line them up with the loader.  They had two trucks, a 1934 International and a 1946 Dodge.  https://www.stjoetractor.com/siteart/pdf/SmallSquareBalers.pdf (https://www.stjoetractor.com/siteart/pdf/SmallSquareBalers.pdf)

The GHQ "green" baler is the model of  a John Deere 14T square baler, built starting in 1955.  I know of no models of an earlier baler. 

The GHQ "red" tractors are IHC Farmall Super M tractors first offered in 1953.  McCormick Deering Farmall (IHC) offered H and M tractors starting in 1939, and with minor changes these were built into the mid-50's.  The Super M was slightly larger than an M and offered more horsepower.  I doubt many modelers could tell the difference.  LifeLike offered a plastic Farmall tractor.  I've never been able to tell if they were H's or M's.  I believe the Woodland Scenics John Deere tractors with rubber tires are Model A tractors, built from 1934 to 1952.  Obviously they would be suitable for your era.  The GHQ manure spreader is a ground drive model, also suitable for your era.  IIRC GHQ also offers a green combine that might be suitable.  I'd have to do some checking, we had 1938 McCormick Deering and later an Allis Chalmers combine, both pull types.

Today's small square balers make a 14" x 18" bale.  Bale length can be set by the operator and varies.  Today's bales are normally shorter than they were in the 40's and 50's to allow them to work better with bale throwers.  IIRC, the old 76 baler made 16" x 18" bales, still the difference in HO scale is negligible. 

Here's a link to some hay bales and stacks available on ebay.  I have some of these to use when I build my stationary baler kit.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-401-18-Piece-Hay-Stacks-and-Hay-Bales-Set-HO-Scale-unfinished/114288170231?hash=item1a9c1b14f7:g:R2gAAOSwp2deEmdC (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-401-18-Piece-Hay-Stacks-and-Hay-Bales-Set-HO-Scale-unfinished/114288170231?hash=item1a9c1b14f7:g:R2gAAOSwp2deEmdC)


FWIW, during WWII my dad designed and built a pickup head for their stationary wire tie baler.  That baler did not have a way to tie the bales automatically.  My mom rode one side and my dad the other.  When a bale was the right size my dad would drop a board at the "front" end of the bale so no more hay could be added.  My mom would push two wires through the bale chamber to my dad who would twist the wire ends thus tiring the bale.  Then my dad would insert the wires for the next bale and remove the board. Seems like a lot of work, but still was much faster than hauling loose hay to the stationary baler and feeding the hay into the baler by hand.  I never saw this baler and apparently no one in the family took any photos of it.  After he built the pickup my dad sprayed it red and the family joke was that he had red hair for at least a month afterward.   

I hope this answers a few of your questions. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on July 15, 2020, 07:09:22 AM
John,


My "kicker" bales run about 32" long, and weigh about 40#.  The bales from the old New Holland 76 were longer and weighed 50-60#. 


Bill Gill did what I feel was the best tutorial on making bales on the other forum.  He squeezed the bales with pliers.  That seemed to help the grass flocking align more realistically than other methods.


Here's a link:  http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44358&SearchTerms=hay,bale (http://railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44358&SearchTerms=hay,bale)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 15, 2020, 07:39:22 AM
John,


According to their website, New Holland first built a round baler in 1974.  Their first square balers with pickup heads debuted around 1940.  Other manufacturers followed New Holland's lead and IH and John Deere balers with pickup heads came out in 1945.  If you check this link there is a black and white photo on page 3.  That pretty much is how my dad and grandfather put up baled hay for their dairy after WWII.  The Farmall H tractor they used had the more common (at least in our area) narrow front.  The baler is a Model 76.  I believe it was the second model offered by New Holland.  It was powered by a two cylinder Wisconsin engine and used belts to feed the hay into the chamber.  It dropped the bales on the ground and they had a bale loader like the one in the photo. Theirs hooked to the left side of the truck so it was easier for the driver to see the bales and line them up with the loader.  They had two trucks, a 1934 International and a 1946 Dodge.  https://www.stjoetractor.com/siteart/pdf/SmallSquareBalers.pdf (https://www.stjoetractor.com/siteart/pdf/SmallSquareBalers.pdf)

The GHQ "green" baler is the model of  a John Deere 14T square baler, built starting in 1955.  I know of no models of an earlier baler. 

The GHQ "red" tractors are IHC Farmall Super M tractors first offered in 1953.  McCormick Deering Farmall (IHC) offered H and M tractors starting in 1939, and with minor changes these were built into the mid-50's.  The Super M was slightly larger than an M and offered more horsepower.  I doubt many modelers could tell the difference.  LifeLike offered a plastic Farmall tractor.  I've never been able to tell if they were H's or M's.  I believe the Woodland Scenics John Deere tractors with rubber tires are Model A tractors, built from 1934 to 1952.  Obviously they would be suitable for your era.  The GHQ manure spreader is a ground drive model, also suitable for your era.  IIRC GHQ also offers a green combine that might be suitable.  I'd have to do some checking, we had 1938 McCormick Deering and later an Allis Chalmers combine, both pull types.

Today's small square balers make a 14" x 18" bale.  Bale length can be set by the operator and varies.  Today's bales are normally shorter than they were in the 40's and 50's to allow them to work better with bale throwers.  IIRC, the old 76 baler made 16" x 18" bales, still the difference in HO scale is negligible. 

Here's a link to some hay bales and stacks available on ebay.  I have some of these to use when I build my stationary baler kit.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-401-18-Piece-Hay-Stacks-and-Hay-Bales-Set-HO-Scale-unfinished/114288170231?hash=item1a9c1b14f7:g:R2gAAOSwp2deEmdC (https://www.ebay.com/itm/SMC-401-18-Piece-Hay-Stacks-and-Hay-Bales-Set-HO-Scale-unfinished/114288170231?hash=item1a9c1b14f7:g:R2gAAOSwp2deEmdC)


FWIW, during WWII my dad designed and built a pickup head for their stationary wire tie baler.  That baler did not have a way to tie the bales automatically.  My mom rode one side and my dad the other.  When a bale was the right size my dad would drop a board at the "front" end of the bale so no more hay could be added.  My mom would push two wires through the bale chamber to my dad who would twist the wire ends thus tiring the bale.  Then my dad would insert the wires for the next bale and remove the board. Seems like a lot of work, but still was much faster than hauling loose hay to the stationary baler and feeding the hay into the baler by hand.  I never saw this baler and apparently no one in the family took any photos of it.  After he built the pickup my dad sprayed it red and the family joke was that he had red hair for at least a month afterward.   

I hope this answers a few of your questions. 


Jerry 


Thank you so much for all the great information. This is going to be a fun project. I have great memories of my Grandparents farm, a small dairy farm in Northern Michigan. My job, during hay season, when I was young was to drive the stake truck - an old Chev. with a flat head 8. When I got old enough to lift the bales making hay wasn't as much fun. The bales went on and off the truck and trailer by hand.  My Grandparents had the mower and rake but I remember the bailer being on loan, rented, or co owned by a number of the farmers up there. I remember two tractors a Ford 8N and a Allis Chalmers that had the two front wheels close together (crank start). Helping to keep all that equipment going probably started my interest in going into Engineering.  I worked for John Deere for two years at their Tech. Center in Moline while I was in Grad School.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: BandOGuy on July 15, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
John,
Sent you an email message on the boards here last night.
Did you receive it?
Chip Stevens
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 15, 2020, 08:49:51 PM
John,
Sent you an email message on the boards here last night.
Did you receive it?
Chip Stevens


Chip


I didn't get your email - I just sent you and email through the forum. Let me know if you got it and please resend the email you sent me.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 15, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
Update: The roofing crew got the roof on the clerestory and back roofs of the 11 stall Brick Roundhouse, today.  I hope to get the front done tomorrow.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on July 16, 2020, 07:16:59 AM
John,


I have a little more info on GHQ.  You may already be aware, I was not, they have a Ford 8N complete with farmer driver.  Also, the combine they offer is a John Deere 12A.  That was manufactured from 1940 until the mid-50's, so this is another suitable option for your farm.  That's all for now...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 16, 2020, 07:50:05 AM
John,


I have a little more info on GHQ.  You may already be aware, I was not, they have a Ford 8N complete with farmer driver.  Also, the combine they offer is a John Deere 12A.  That was manufactured from 1940 until the mid-50's, so this is another suitable option for your farm.  That's all for now...


Jerry


Thank you for the information - I two of the Ford 8N kits.  I need to take a look at the Combine.  I also have a vintage steam tractor that I need to decide on how to model.  Restored and working or rusting away in the barn yard. I think I will be adding additional details to this scene for years to come. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 16, 2020, 03:12:51 PM
Hey John:

That's a beautiful barn kit. Can't wait to see what you do with it.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 17, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
Hey John:

That's a beautiful barn kit. Can't wait to see what you do with it.

Karl


Karl


Thank you - I will be getting to it soon.  The roofing crew finished the roof on the 11 stall portion of the Brick Roundhouse, yesterday. Moving on to the four stall section next.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 18, 2020, 03:02:59 PM
Update: The roofers are hard at work on the 4 stall section of the Brick Roundhouse. Maybe some pictures this evening or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 10:31:10 AM
Update: The moving of the Brick Roundhouse has been delayed a day while I attach all the doors.  There is a lot of clamping and waiting for the glue to dry involved. Here is a picture of the first couple going on. The doors are all mounted in place in the open position.  This is going to be a working Roundhouse on the layout and reaching to open and close doors would be very problematic. The back section of the roofing has now been weathered, so the move will happen as soon as I get the doors attached and do a once over on the detailing.  I have a few places where I need to touch up the bricks - where I got to close with a Q-tip chasing run away glue.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
I will have a lot of details to add (yes there will be birds and bird poop) once the model is in place on the layout. I have a picture in my head of what I want to do with trees, scenery, etc. The boiler house is on my detailing work bench waiting for the roundhouse placement on the layout. I will be finishing it up along with a possible machine shop off the Roundhouse. I have the pieces made but want to see everything in place before finishing them.


One comment about the baseboard - I'm very happy that I decided to use plywood for this one. Foam or gator board would have way to much flex on something this size.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on July 20, 2020, 10:49:07 AM
John,

Very nice work on the SRMW roundhouse. When I did my brick one, since sold it for $2000, it weighed at least 60 pounds. It's good you went with the plywood base. Yet you still need to be very careful when moving it.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 20, 2020, 10:54:58 AM
That looks fracking awesome! Love the color of the roof.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on July 20, 2020, 02:40:56 PM
Nice work John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on July 20, 2020, 04:03:25 PM
Looks GREAT, John!

Good luck with the move.  I guess you will be hiring a crane?!!

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 20, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Hey John:

That's really coming together very nicely. Keep up the great work.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 08:17:22 PM
John,

Very nice work on the SRMW roundhouse. When I did my brick one, since sold it for $2000, it weighed at least 60 pounds. It's good you went with the plywood base. Yet you still need to be very careful when moving it.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you, yes this is going to take some careful moving. I plan to lift it off the bench on to a cart. Wheel it to the layout location and lift it on to the layout. Mine is resin so it's not as heavy. My Stone Roundhouse is hydrocal and the 9 stalls weighs more than the 11 stall section of this one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
That looks fracking awesome! Love the color of the roof.


Curt


Thank you for the kind words.  The roof is weathered with three different colors of soft pastels.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 08:19:10 PM
Nice work John.


Thank you.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
Looks GREAT, John!

Good luck with the move.  I guess you will be hiring a crane?!!

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the kind words - my crane still works good (my two arms) but the boom (my back) is troublesome.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2020, 08:24:56 PM
Hey John:

That's really coming together very nicely. Keep up the great work.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 21, 2020, 08:11:24 AM
Beautiful work John.


Looking forward to its placement on the layout.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 21, 2020, 11:38:43 AM
Hey John:

Your are quite welcome.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 05:47:01 PM
Beautiful work John.


Looking forward to its placement on the layout.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words.  The journey from the workbench to the layout has begun.  I will post some pictures this evening.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:29:55 PM

I finished up the work I wanted to do on the 11 stall section of the Brick Roundhouse on my workbench, today.  Here are a few final pictures on the workbench before I moved it to the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:31:04 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:32:32 PM
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And now for a few pictures of how I moved it.  In this picture you can see the cart in position.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:35:41 PM
Very carefully I lifted it from the workbench to the cart.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210720201848-4503051.jpeg)


The area where I'm going to plant this roundhouse is about 10 feet from my workbench on the other side of the wall.  But the roundhouse has a little ride to get there.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on July 21, 2020, 08:35:47 PM
Wow!!!!! That's Beautiful JOHN.....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:36:45 PM
In this picture you cans see a little more of my workshop.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210720201847-45029150.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:37:33 PM
Wow!!!!! That's Beautiful JOHN.....Dennis


Thank you Dennis.  It will look even better with scenery and details around it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:38:37 PM
And it's on the cart.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
From here on out I moved very slowly watching all side so I didn't run into anything.  The next few pictures show the journey and also provide some overview of the new section of my layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:42:03 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:45:04 PM
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Here is a shot from the crew quarters (aka the bar).


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:47:38 PM
Tommorrow morning, I will lift it up on to the layout. I have a couple things that I want to do before I slide it in place.  I need to wire the tracks, add the roof vents, and touch up the brickwork.  It will be right at eye level for these tasks.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:48:58 PM
You can see the four stall section in the picture above already in position. I used it to setup the shims I need to get the correct track height.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
Here is a picture from up above.  You can see the straps across the cutouts in the benchwork that will hold the baseboard at the correct level.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:52:31 PM
Here is a shot with the test car making sure we didn't build to wide a create a clearance problem.  All is well.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:54:41 PM
I have started doing some sketches on my iPad to figure out what I want to do with the backdrop and scenery in this area.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 21, 2020, 08:56:33 PM
The four stall section of the roundhouse needs to go back to the workbench for weathering of the roof and installation of the doors.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 21, 2020, 08:58:48 PM
I'm glad you made it to the layout without issue. Good luck tomorrow.  How much do you think it weighs?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 22, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
Looking forward to the transfer from the cart to the top of the layout.  So well done!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 23, 2020, 08:16:58 AM
I'm glad you made it to the layout without issue. Good luck tomorrow.  How much do you think it weighs?


Curt


Well, both sections of the roundhouse have made it to the layout.  I put them in place and everything fits. I then made a list of things that I want to change. A trim change here a window change there. Then the touchup work.  I will be doing this work over the next few days and then take some pictures of it in place on the layout. The large section weights between 20 - 30 pounds.  The big issue with moving it is the size - it is very bulky.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 23, 2020, 08:20:35 AM
Looking forward to the transfer from the cart to the top of the layout.  So well done!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the kind words, as I said above it made it to the top of the layout. I will be working on the turntable and electronics once the touchup work is done.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 09:57:08 PM
Today, I mounted the two sections of the Brick Roundhouse in place.  After shearing off 6 wires to the LED's that I need to repair getting them into place for a test fit - I decided that the trim and touchup work will be done with them in place on the layout. A little ladder time beats having to move them back to the workbench. Note to self - all new builds will have the wires securely boxed underneath the baseboard. No more exposed wires.


Tom and Bob - after reading about your recent experience with ladders I positioned the sofa next to the ladder just in -case.  ;)


Here are the pictures I took to mark-up for changes and scenery design work.  I have to hide the holes through the wall - probably with trees.  I thinking right now that I will mount the backdrop to a detachable board mounted to the top of the benchwork.  That will cover the blinds that are covering the window you see in the pictures. 


I should mention that phase V (A few years from now) of the S&S RR will be a second level heading outing both directions from the Roundhouse. The old entertainment center which currently holds my 40 year old stereo will be retired.


Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:07:51 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:08:18 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:08:38 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:09:04 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:09:35 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:17:42 PM
I realigned the 4 stall section of the Roundhouse. I didn't like the track line-up with the turnout when the baseboard was mounted in the hole with the building. You can see in the pictures how I made the hole a little bigger to accommodate the adjustment. I will cover the hole and sand it in during the scenery phase of the project.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2020, 10:20:02 PM
If you have a large Roundhouse project in your future and you don't own a set of the large steel rulers, you need to take a trip to the hardware store.  I use mine a lot but I don't know how you could get everything aligned in a project like this without them.  I have a 24, 36, and 48 inch ruler in my set. Highly recommended tool.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 25, 2020, 08:25:11 AM
Another useful thing for this is a 2' long Ribbonrail track gauge.  That's particularly good for making sure your turntable bridge and lead tracks are absolutely lined up.


That's quite an impressive scene from a distance, John!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on July 25, 2020, 08:43:02 AM
fantastic, John. Such a spectacular scene. Looking forward to seeing it loaded with the motive power.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2020, 02:27:07 PM
Another useful thing for this is a 2' long Ribbonrail track gauge.  That's particularly good for making sure your turntable bridge and lead tracks are absolutely lined up.


That's quite an impressive scene from a distance, John!


dave


Dave


Thanks you for the kind words and I agree with your tool addition.  My long track gauge is about 9 inches, which gives me enough alignment for the smaller locomotives that will be housed in this roundhouse. Now that I have had it in place for a couple days I'm realizing how much work there is to do to make it operational. I had forgot how long I worked on the Stone Roundhouse.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2020, 02:29:55 PM
fantastic, John. Such a spectacular scene. Looking forward to seeing it loaded with the motive power.


Vince


Thank you, it will be a while before it will be ready for the locomotives but we are getting closer every day.  I plan on starting a couple more builds and finishing this up an hour or two at a time. I will post occasional progress pictures.  Today, I'm adding the moldings along the roofline.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on July 25, 2020, 02:33:57 PM
John, any thoughts on powering the roundhouse tracks?  I figure to add the track feed to the track in front of the roundhouse, and power each track separately (i.e. on/off)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 25, 2020, 03:45:06 PM
Truly outstanding John. Like the others I can't wait to see it in operation. On my last layout I ran a extension off the main buss to power the leads that had a DPDT switch that completely isolated the RH area to reduce the noise level.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on July 25, 2020, 04:24:23 PM
That will be an incredible focal point on the layout when it's finished. 


Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PaulS on July 25, 2020, 08:22:37 PM
Looks fantastic John,
Sent you an email offline in connection with some thoughts regarding the backdrop.
All the best,
--Paul
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2020, 08:43:49 PM
John, any thoughts on powering the roundhouse tracks?  I figure to add the track feed to the track in front of the roundhouse, and power each track separately (i.e. on/off)


dave


Dave


I have an switch for each track on/off for my Stone Roundhouse and so far I'm either turning them all on or all off when the roundhouse is in operation. My plan for this Roundhouse is to wire all 15 tracks (actually there will also be outside tracks so probably 20+ tracks to one switch. So there will be lots of locomotive sound or non- coming from the roundhouse area.  I can easily put in a bank of switches and splice the wires to the switches if I decide later that this was a bad choice. Can anyone else offer advice on this?  I have not done a lot of operations at this point, on my railroad.  The operations experience I have - the layouts didn't have on off switch for the roundhouses.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2020, 08:50:48 PM
Truly outstanding John. Like the others I can't wait to see it in operation. On my last layout I ran a extension off the main buss to power the leads that had a DPDT switch that completely isolated the RH area to reduce the noise level.


Curt


Thank you for the kind words. As I said in my response to Dave, being able to turn off 20 + locomotives is definitely in the plan. I have seen layouts where you couldn't hear yourself think with all the locomotives running at the same time.  I may end up with a bank of switch and a switch for each track but I'm going to try it first with one switch.


I should also mention that being able to turn off all those locomotives is also import on layout startup.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2020, 08:52:22 PM
That will be an incredible focal point on the layout when it's finished. 


Jeff


Jeff


Thank you for the encouraging words, I'm looking forward to having this thing operational.  It will be awhile yet.  Lots of work to complete before power-up.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2020, 08:53:54 PM
Looks fantastic John,
Sent you an email offline in connection with some thoughts regarding the backdrop.
All the best,
--Paul


Paul


Thank you - and I got your email and will be responding.  Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 27, 2020, 12:34:54 AM
That is really an interesting scene or going to be.


Looks to be lots of action on that turntable.


Another wonderful addition to the RR John.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2020, 08:21:50 AM
That is really an interesting scene or going to be.


Looks to be lots of action on that turntable.


Another wonderful addition to the RR John.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.  This scene will be coming together over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2020, 08:31:56 PM
As I mentioned, yesterday, I will be starting, or restarted two more builds while I do the finish work on the Brick Roundhouse.  The FSM G. Wilikers which I started a few months back on got to the point where the castings have been painted and 80% completed and the painting process for the main building walls had been established. I have also prepared the base board for the G. Wilikers build.  This kit will end up in the industrial row in the Eagles Nest Yard of my layout.


The second build will be the Rail Scale Miniatures - Whispering Falls Farm.  I have been working on and off for the past couple of weeks on the site design for this kit build. Mark Dalrymple has been doing an excellent job of describing how he develops a scene in his build thread for his Shadowlands and Tellynott Layout and he inspired me to try and describe the thought process and techniques I'm using for the design of this part of my layout. If I can make this work I will continue doing this for the rest of the areas on my layout.


Link to Mark's thread.


 http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4484.0 (http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4484.0)


At the risk of being banded from "the forum" Mark also has a build thread on another forum which I also follow.


http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32581 (http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32581)


And as long as I'm completing my reference list. Greg did an excellent build thread on the Whispering Falls Kit that I will be referencing during this build.  Dario added a sheet that list Greg's build thread in the kit.


http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51364 (http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51364)


I may as well let you know that the third kit on my build list will be the FSM Brownsville Depot which will also be part of the Eagles Nest Yard.  I will be painting and processing the castings for this build along with the Whispering Falls castings.


And with that introduction let me show you the site for the Whispering Falls build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2020, 09:39:13 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2020, 09:43:58 PM
In addition to being a dairy farm this will also serve as a location for loading and unloading cattle off the train. I have a number of out buildings, including a C.C. Crow horse barn that will also be part of the scene. Over the next few evenings I will describe some of the iterations and the thought process for developing this scene. For me it all starts with what is the story I want to tell with this scene.
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 28, 2020, 09:11:38 AM
Using real rocks really make the hillside pop.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on July 28, 2020, 12:04:18 PM
Hey John:

It's looking just great so far.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on July 28, 2020, 03:36:03 PM
Coming on a treat, John.

I promise to get back to that thread of mine soon!  As always I'm enjoying keeping up with your progress.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 07:22:12 PM
Using real rocks really make the hillside pop.


Curt


Thank you, the rocks rode many miles in my Jeep to get to the S&S RR. I found a place on one of my trips that had rocks that were just the right size and colors. The stone wall in the foreground of the picture has the larger stones glued in place but will be getting multiple layers of smaller talus when complete.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 07:30:44 PM
Hey John:

It's looking just great so far.

Karl


Thanks Karl - at least I have the backdrop started. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 07:45:33 PM
Coming on a treat, John.

I promise to get back to that thread of mine soon!  As always I'm enjoying keeping up with your progress.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for following along. I'm reading through the build thread that Greg did on the kit and I see some of your comments there. So this is not your first rodeo with this kit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 08:09:12 PM
To get started with this process, I should explain some background thoughts that I have had for this area. Originally, this was going to be a farm but then when I laid the track through this area a thought it might work better for a small mountain town.  After a number of iterations on the town idea, that I just couldn't make fit, I decided to go back and take a look at Dario's kit which I really liked when it came out over a year ago.  So I ran through the pictures on his website and decide to pull the trigger and buy it. The kits that I have bought for the town scenario are all going to be used in my town of Superior, which will be located near the Brick Roundhouse.


This area is served by both the standard gauge and HOn3 Narrow Gauge Railroads. So in addition to the dairy herd there will also be a coral to house the cattle that are free range in the mountains, with loading ramps for the RR cattle cars. The narrow gauge railroad will also have facilities to offload cattle into the standard gauge loading pens.


I know at this point that I will be changing the configuration of the builds from the kit to fit my scene. I have a series of pictures that describe the process I'm going through that I will share over the next few days. In addition to the outbuildings that come in Dario's kit I will be adding a C.C. Crow course barn (the cowboys need horses to round up the free range cattle in the mountains). I have a corn crib, a couple more axillary barns, and various farm relayed sheds that may become part of the scene.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:00:46 PM
The first step in the scene design process, for me, was to establish the orientation of the main barn in Dario's kit. I played with the orientation to get the best views of the interior detail along with functionality for the rest of the scene. Here are a few process pictures along with views of the area from different angles. I would like to keep the trees where they are and still see the details of the farm from different viewing angles so I will probably raise the area. Another feature that I would like to achieve is to have the track lower than the buildings in the area. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:03:31 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:03:58 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:04:26 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:05:12 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:06:02 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:08:01 PM
On my workbench the materials that came with the kit are being sorted.  I also made cardboard plan view templates for each of the major buildings along with a silo mockup to help with visualizing the placement and elevation for the scene.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:08:48 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2020, 10:11:28 PM
I also pulled out a piece of 1/2 inch gator board to serve as my baseboard.  This will be mounded to a foam base which will give me the stack up required for the elevation change. Both the foam and the gator board will be mounded to the 3/4 inch plywood base that you see in the pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 29, 2020, 08:28:02 AM
After seeing Greg build his on RR line.


It will be great to see what you do with this kit.  I'm sure it will be another wonderful build with a different twist than Greg did.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 08:35:43 AM
After seeing Greg build his on RR line.


It will be great to see what you do with this kit.  I'm sure it will be another wonderful build with a different twist than Greg did.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for the encouraging words - there will be some twists for sure. Right now I know there will be a different placement of the structures and some added structures. We will see where it takes us.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 08:40:21 AM

One of the techniques that I use for a build project is to take pictures of the major templates and drawings, prototype pictures, layout placement drawings and add them to "notes" in my iPad. This way I can mark them up and think through how I want to do things when I'm traveling.  I have a printout of the notes for this project sitting on the workbench in this picture that I'm using to create the baseboard for this build.



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 09:47:01 AM
To establish the elevation for my baseboard on the layout I place the baseboard on "bench cookies" to establish the height off the plywood benchwork.  The "bench cookies" are 1 inch high - the height of the foam panels that I use to buildup the final scene.  Here is a picture of the cookies and my initial setup of the panel.  You need to start out with everything level.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
This kit looks great on all four sides so along with the best elevation to show it off I'm also trying to get the best orientation of the buildings, especially the barn with the interior detail - visible through the open doors. I spent a lot of time studying the pictures and the viewing angles possible from this layout location. The cardboard templates and baseboard placement really help me with this process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 29, 2020, 05:59:10 PM
John I forgot to mention that Greg found a few mistakes when building this an noted them in his build.


If that helps you any.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on July 29, 2020, 08:52:39 PM
I will be very interested to see how you do this, John.

To me, these structures combined with a rail siding suggest 1000's of acres of grazing land.  Do you have plans to change some of your background scenery?  To me, at present, it looks far to rocky and steep to suggest any grazing or even access for the cattle.  I guess even hacking some sort of path leading to pastures beyond, maybe with these painted on the backdrop could work?

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 09:15:01 PM
John I forgot to mention that Greg found a few mistakes when building this an noted them in his build.


If that helps you any.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for mentioning this.  I have to email Dario to get the *.pdf files with the changes.  Your post reminded me to do that.  I have been reading through Greg's thread and taking notes.  It's a great "modeling project" when I'm at my cabin.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 09:27:46 PM
Once the baseboard was level - I started playing with different structure placement ideas and elevation levels.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 09:31:30 PM
I really wanted to have a view of the lower level of the barn and the through the doors view of interior detail.


Here is the lower level view.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 10:04:48 PM
This will be the view looking South.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 10:14:39 PM
The track will be below grade as it comes off the trestle.  Appropriate, drainage will be provided to channel the water into the mountain valley. A siding will service the cattle pins on the left and will have chutes and gates to manage the cattle into the stock cars. On the right will be the horse barn and corals.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 10:22:39 PM
The view of the white barn extension will be visible only in those photographs taken from the cab of the locomotive as it approaches the trestle. The backdrop will be the mountains on the other side of the aisle.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 10:26:44 PM
Now for the placement of the farm house.  The first question is which direction should the front of the house be? Towards the barn like Dario did it, or facing the cliff with the front porch overlooking the town of Sellios?  I have the cardboard template positioned with the porch overlooking the town in this picture.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on July 29, 2020, 10:34:55 PM
Following along, John. Really anxious to see this come together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2020, 10:44:20 PM
Following along, John. Really anxious to see this come together.


Vince


Thank you for following along.  I'm real excited about this build. Am I doing okay describing the picture that is in my head with the words and photographs? In the past I would post a picture of the site and then the finished scene in the site, so this part of the thread is all new.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 30, 2020, 09:37:18 AM
John I forgot to mention that Greg found a few mistakes when building this an noted them in his build.


If that helps you any.


Jerry




Jerry


Thank you for mentioning this.  I have to email Dario to get the *.pdf files with the changes.  Your post reminded me to do that.  I have been reading through Greg's thread and taking notes.  It's a great "modeling project" when I'm at my cabin.




I got the revised drawings from Dario at light speed.  Wow he is fast at responding to emails. I'm really looking forward to building this kit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2020, 06:55:09 PM
At this point I need to cut the baseboards and foam for elevation changes.  I will then take another set of pictures with the main structure base cutouts in location. I will then use my iPad to make detail sketches which will locate all of the out buildings, the pond, the fences and the cattle loading chutes. I will use those sketches, once I'm through changing stuff, ;)  to layout and glue up the baseboard I will use for the build. I'm sure everyone has their own method for completing this part of the build, the "pre-build" but I thought it might be of some interest for me to show this in the build thread. I reserve the right to change stuff as I build. It always looks different once you get all the pieces in 3-D in front of you.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on July 31, 2020, 08:30:13 PM
Sounds like a plan John.  Looking forward to it.


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 01, 2020, 03:06:40 PM
Sounds like a plan John.  Looking forward to it.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along.  I'm going to get to work on the baseboard later this afternoon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 01, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
Hey John:

I'm sure it will be a beautiful barn. Can't wait to see what you do with this.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 01, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
Hey John:

I'm sure it will be a beautiful barn. Can't wait to see what you do with this.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 02, 2020, 07:32:12 PM
So after studying pictures while I was at my cabin this week, I came home with a list of issues that I wanted to solve before going forward with the farm site.  The main issue was the sight block that was developing between the two rooms of my layout. Since the wall is gone it's not really two rooms, any more, but an L shaped room. I want to maintain the depth of the layout by having viewing points that allow one to see the mountains and scenery on the other side of the layout while viewing the details in the foreground. The rocks and trees where beginning to get in the way of this line of sight.  If I raised the farm to make it visible over the tree tops and rock formations the view block got even worse. So - this morning I brought in the chain saw and the dynamite.  Problem solved. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 08:43:03 AM
Here are a few pictures of the area after the modifications along with the cardboard templates of the footprints for the major structures of the farm.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 08:45:01 AM
I used a box that was a little bigger to simulate the view block of the barn.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 08:45:37 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 08:46:02 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 08:47:01 AM
The scenery in this area will be redone with more rocks and small trees and bushes.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 03, 2020, 09:19:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A   ;D


(You'll probably need some fencing to keep the cows from wandering over the cliffs onto the tracks below....)



dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on August 03, 2020, 11:11:21 AM
John,
We have a good friend who has a cattle farm in Twin Falls Idaho and his pasture runs to the edge of the Snake River Canyon. I asked him about Bessie going over the edge and he said its rare that they lose one in the canyon. He said its usually a young calf that gets to "feeling his oats and forgets where he is". Looking forward to this build -good luck.....
Doug
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 06:54:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A)   ;D


(You'll probably need some fencing to keep the cows from wandering over the cliffs onto the tracks below....)



dave


I will have many happy hours of fence building on this project. I filled my workbench with details that will find their way into this scene.  I have been collecting farm stuff for years waiting for this project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2020, 07:01:35 PM
John,
We have a good friend who has a cattle farm in Twin Falls Idaho and his pasture runs to the edge of the Snake River Canyon. I asked him about Bessie going over the edge and he said its rare that they lose one in the canyon. He said its usually a young calf that gets to "feeling his oats and forgets where he is". Looking forward to this build -good luck.....
Doug


Doug


Thanks for following along. I'm really excited about this project. I will be adding lots of fencing to keep the critters from the cliffs. I have some barn and house modifications planned to help the structures fit my layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2020, 12:10:09 PM
Update: After the scenery modifications for the Whispering Falls "plus" build I completed the baseboard and I'm working on some sketches for structure placement, along with all the details I have planned. I have the castings for the build out and I'm working on getting them ready for priming.


In my usual tradition I have three builds going at the same time.  The Brick Roundhouse build is in the process of being installed. Wiring for the tracks, LED lighting, and turntable installation.  This will be followed by the scenery and detailing.  I'm waiting for a shipment of additional roof vents and have the trim and doors to complete on the 4 stall section of the roundhouse.


My third build is the FSM G. Wilikers - I have the detail castings painted and the pieces for the structures are on the workbench ready to start the build process.


Since I'm going to be doing some casting painting, and it's a great job to take with me to the cabin in the fall, I'm going to get the castings for my forth build on my list, the FSM Brownsville Depot prepared for priming.


I will be posting periodic progress pictures on all four projects.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 04, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
John,

I've enjoyed your journey. The brick roundhouse is certainly a favorite of mine. Great job on the empire.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2020, 03:22:52 PM
John,

I've enjoyed your journey. The brick roundhouse is certainly a favorite of mine. Great job on the empire.

Tom  ;D


Tom


Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 05, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
Hey John:

More great pictures. Layout looks just beautiful.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2020, 08:31:52 PM
Hey John:

More great pictures. Layout looks just beautiful.

Karl


Karl


Thank you, a little more each day. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2020, 08:39:59 PM
This morning I finished cutting all the pieces for the baseboard for the Whispering Falls build.  I took a series of pictures at different angles to use for sketching in my iPad before I moved all the pieces to my workbench for gluing. Let the building begin. ;)   My baseboard is a little different from the one recommended by Dario in the kit. The house for mine is set back to fit my site.  The out buildings will be behind the house and barn and on the other side of the railroad tracks.  There will be a lot of fences and gates to manage the critters. They have to be kept off the tracks, out of the garden, and away from the cliffs surrounding the farm.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 06, 2020, 08:23:58 PM
Update: Today, was casting prep. day. I'm getting the flashing off the castings and mounting them on toothpicks, for the next three builds. The paint booth will be a busy place the next couple days, as I get them all primed. I also started laying out the walls for G. Wilikers. I received the rest of the roof vent castings for the Brick Roundhouse, yesterday. I order enough castings so I can replace the plastic roof vents that I used on the Stone Roundhouse, so I will be painting them all in one big batch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2020, 09:01:46 PM
Update: The castings for Whispering Falls, the vents for the brick roundhouse, and Brownsvillehave all been prepped and are on their way through the paint booth for priming. I mount the smaller castings on toothpicks for the detail painting. Here is a picture of the tools I use to make that happen.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Here is a picture of the castings in various stages of the painting process. The hunter green castings are the window castings for G. Wilikers plus some of the castings I need to complete the boiler house for the Brick Roundhouse.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 08, 2020, 09:40:13 AM
Hey John:

Looks like you are having fun. I will be following along.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Hey John:

Looks like you are having fun. I will be following along.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along, and yes I am having fun. I will be starting to put walls together, today.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2020, 08:12:16 PM
I was talking to Frank Baker, yesterday, and he asked me if I had a resent layout diagram.  I can't remember when I last posted this but here we go.


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If you find block 42A that is the siding for the farm scene I'm working on. Block 102H is the turntable for the Brick Roundhouse.  G. Wiliker's will be installed between sidings 95G and 66E.  Each power block has a unique number and is controlled by a power switch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 08, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
Two (related) questions:
1.  Where will the engines be serviced (coal, water, clean-out, etc)
2.  How does an engine/train get from the roundhouse to that yard area (120G) directly above it? 


dave


p.s.  isn't it -great- to have a sink in the train room/workshop!?!?  Half the cost of my finished basement was adding the 3/4 bath, some of that was to get an up-flushing system to get waste water to the septic system.  The marginal cost for the rest of the bath, once I paid for the plumbing supply and wastewater, was pretty low.  I don't know if I'll ever use the shower, but I'm sure it'll be great for eventual resale.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2020, 09:36:41 PM
Two (related) questions:
1.  Where will the engines be serviced (coal, water, clean-out, etc)
2.  How does an engine/train get from the roundhouse to that yard area (120G) directly above it? 


dave


p.s.  isn't it -great- to have a sink in the train room/workshop!?!?  Half the cost of my finished basement was adding the 3/4 bath, some of that was to get an up-flushing system to get waste water to the septic system.  The marginal cost for the rest of the bath, once I paid for the plumbing supply and wastewater, was pretty low.  I don't know if I'll ever use the shower, but I'm sure it'll be great for eventual resale.


Dave


Yes the sink in the train room is extremely useful. It's basically a laundry tub.  Our laundry facilities are on the first floor.  I have a full bath with a shower in the basement which really came in handy when I was working on all those plaster mountains.  Just to the left of the bathroom is a full kitchen and bar.  We used it a lot for entertaining when the kids were growing up.  It is now repurposed as a crew lounge and party spot - when we can have parties again. ;)  The big germ has definitely cut down on that activity.


Your second question - The roundhouse is going to be a steam locomotive facility (the diesel facilities will be down in the yard). I have plans for a water tank, clean out pit and a coaling tower near the roundhouse.  The locomotives take a run down the helix to get to the yard. The helix gets the trains from the lower yard level to the upper level and also to the correct level for the by pass through my workshop and into the rest of the layout. I'm working on the best location for the roundhouse boiler house right now.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2020, 08:16:42 PM
I made progress on all three current builds, today. Here is a progress picture from the workbenches.


Bracing the walls on the G. Wiliker's build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
Putting the foundation together for the barn of the Whispering Falls build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Added the doors on the 4 stall section of the Roundhouse - some trim and a sign on the 11 stall section.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 09, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
The RH's look awesome.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2020, 09:03:04 PM
The RH's look awesome.


Thank you, Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 10, 2020, 08:55:45 AM
Looks like the track crew laid down some cork roadbed and then quit, with that tongue hanging into the turntable pit.   ;D


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2020, 10:50:55 AM
Looks like the track crew laid down some cork roadbed and then quit, with that tongue hanging into the turntable pit.   ;D


dave


Dave


It is really hard to get good help these days.  I have a few spur tracks that I have to splice and lengthen as a result of my moving the structures around a bit before settling on a final position.  No big deal - just a lot of pieces that have to go together and line up on something this big. I moved the roundhouses back about a 1/2 inch to give a little more room between the buildings. Everything fit and worked but it was just to tight visually when a locomotive went between the two sections of the roundhouse. One of those jobs that was a lot of work for a little change but I'm glad I did it now that it is done.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2020, 11:02:44 AM
I will be very interested to see how you do this, John.

To me, these structures combined with a rail siding suggest 1000's of acres of grazing land.  Do you have plans to change some of your background scenery?  To me, at present, it looks far to rocky and steep to suggest any grazing or even access for the cattle.  I guess even hacking some sort of path leading to pastures beyond, maybe with these painted on the backdrop could work?

Cheers, Mark.




Mark


Sorry I'm late getting a return post to you - your post came at the bottom of a page and somehow I missed it.  Anyway, in regards to the Whispering Falls build site, just out of sight to the rear of the scene there is a mountain pass that leads to thousands of acres of grazing land on the South side of the mountain.  The tunnel for the Narrow Gauge line also serves as a passage for the cattle on their way from the west side of the scene. The idea with this scene is that it serves as a dairy farm and home to hundreds of head of free range cattle.  On the right side of the tracks will be a horse barn where the cowboys house their horses for the roundups. Behind the barn and the out builds will be a series of cattle corals that mange the live stock on to the train stock cars.


Since the scene is in the fall I wouldn't be surprised if the scene will end up showing round up time. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 10, 2020, 04:03:44 PM
Hi John.

I'm pleased I hadn't 'ruffled your feathers' with my question.

So there is a very small milking herd at the homestead?  Are they hand milked?  I assume this is what you mean rather than a free range milking herd which (i believe) would need to come in for milking twice daily and would need a fairly substantial milking shed. 

Have you thought about putting a cattle underpass under the railway line leading to the mountain pass? 

I don't know if you have room for this idea - but you could always have some of the (imaginary) closer pasture land fenced for a dairy herd.  Milking cows are pretty good at bringing themselves in for milking - on time.  A milking shed would make an interesting model and the tank would need to be emptied regularly and would give the possibility of a milk wagon needing to be spotted and loaded.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
Hi John.

I'm pleased I hadn't 'ruffled your feathers' with my question.

So there is a very small milking herd at the homestead?  Are they hand milked?  I assume this is what you mean rather than a free range milking herd which (i believe) would need to come in for milking twice daily and would need a fairly substantial milking shed. 

Have you thought about putting a cattle underpass under the railway line leading to the mountain pass? 

I don't know if you have room for this idea - but you could always have some of the (imaginary) closer pasture land fenced for a dairy herd.  Milking cows are pretty good at bringing themselves in for milking - on time.  A milking shed would make an interesting model and the tank would need to be emptied regularly and would give the possibility of a milk wagon needing to be spotted and loaded.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


No feathers ruffled here, I enjoy your questions and they help me think through how I want to develop the scene.


This scene is partially from my childhood memories of my Grand Parents farm that I spent most of my growing years visiting.  I spent most weekends there and weeks at a time during the summer when I was not in school.  It was actually 4 miles from my current cabin that I talk about in my posts, my S&S RR Northern HQTRS. My Grandparents farm had approx. 25 milking dairy cows. All hand milked. My time frame for the layout is 1949 - I'm not sure if milking machines where around yet, then.  Maybe Jerry can help us with that one. The cows on their farm were free range up until the late 1960's. After the 1960's they wandered around 160 acres of fenced in woods. Once they were confined to the farm property they had supplemental feed all year long. The milk and cream were separated in a separator building and put in milk cans that were delivered daily to the railroad depot 1 mile from the farm. Oh and the cows know to come back to the barn for milking. One of my jobs as a kid was to take the dogs and find the cattle and chase them back home if they didn't stay on schedule. Yes, two milkings - early AM and late PM. My Grandfather had a model A that he used to travel the trails to find the cows. We would stop at the top of each hill and listen for the cow bells that were hung around the necks of the cows. I can remember him letting me drive when I was old enough to see over the dashboard. He actually fitted the pedals with wood blocks so I could reach them. I can assure you that one of the vehicles that will be rusting in the pasture will be an old Ford model A.


For my scene on the RR the barn is designed with a lower level where the cows have stalls for milking and feeding.  The feed is stored in the upper level of the barn and in the Silo. The design of this barn is kind of universal - It is at home in Michigan or in British Columbia where Dario is from. I actually took some pictures of barn and Silo on my way back home from my cabin last week for reference. I have a number of small supplemental buildings planned. The limiting factor will be space not ideas. Anyway I hope this helps set the stage for the build to come. Please keep asking questions. Oh and I spent 38 years as an Engineer in Manufacturing - my feathers don't get ruffled very easily.  ;D


The idea of the free range cattle helps add to the western / mountain setting for the farm. There are hundreds if not thousands of farms/ranches in the Western US and Canada that rely on thousands of acres of grazing land to feed their cattle. It also gives me the opportunity to have a horse barn and a need for horses on the farm.


Don't be surprised if one of the supplemental buildings is a pig pen.  My Grandparents also raised pigs to supplement their income. I'm working on what I can fit into the space. 


A cattle underpass - I need to give that one some thought.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2020, 09:30:16 PM
I made some progress on the modeling front today.  Here is a picture of my test sample for the painting of the G. Wiliker's build.  I started with Hunterline Driftwood Stain and then used white soft pastel chalk to get the faded - past time for another coat of paint look. It's 1949 on my layout - the business have just been through a depression and a world war and painting hasn't reached the top of the priority list.


The top half is dry brushed and the bottom half is painted on (alcohol and pastel chalk) with lots of poking with the brush to get light and dark areas. The alcohol picked up the stain from underneath and made a very nice transition point.


The window is hunter green with some post processing after the paint booth. The satin hunter green paint that was nice and flat the last time I bought it  - well this can was very glossy.  I'm about done with rattle can paint. I will use it for primer and then use acrylic brush on or soft pastel chalks.  So what I did to tone down the glossy surface was dip the castings in Hunter Line Hunter Green stain and then dry brush hunter green soft pastel chalk over that. As you can see in the picture it did a pretty good job of toning it down. I will post some process pictures.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100820212147-454452248.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 10, 2020, 09:37:55 PM
Thanks so much for taking the time to flesh out your answer.  I feel I now have a much greater understanding of what you are trying to achieve.

I, too, spent a lot of my younger years staying on my cousins farm over the Christmas break.  My father worked on the railways, and so we got free travel on the trains and ferry.  Most years we would take the train - boat - train from Christchurch to Auckland where we would be met and taken up to the farm in Northland.  There we found a two storied weatherboard farmhouse and a stream (with swimming hole) gurgling down the 160 acre valley.  I recall there being a milking herd of less than 100, sheep and beef, a few pigs for home eating, chickens and a pet horse (and of course the farm dogs).  Milking, likewise, was early in the morning and early in the evening, and the milk truck came early to pick up the milk.  My job as a small boy was to clean out the milking shed with the high pressure hose.  It would just about  knock me off my feet when it started up!  We usually spent 3 weeks there over the Christmas break and for the majority of the time I would be my cousin Basil's little shadow! I loved both the farm and my cousins who owned it.  (just to clarify - my mum was the youngest of 10, and her eldest sisters eldest daughter, Irene, was only five years her junior.  Mum and Irene were more like sisters growing up and carried their friendship throughout the rest of their lives.  So when Irene married a farmer, we got to partake in farming life 3 weeks a year). 

Looking forward to your scene developing.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2020, 09:53:41 PM
Thanks so much for taking the time to flesh out your answer.  I feel I now have a much greater understanding of what you are trying to achieve.

I, too, spent a lot of my younger years staying on my cousins farm over the Christmas break.  My father worked on the railways, and so we got free travel on the trains and ferry.  Most years we would take the train - boat - train from Christchurch to Auckland where we would be met and taken up to the farm in Northland.  There we found a two storied weatherboard farmhouse and a stream (with swimming hole) gurgling down the 160 acre valley.  I recall there being a milking herd of less than 100, sheep and beef, a few pigs for home eating, chickens and a pet horse (and of course the farm dogs).  Milking, likewise, was early in the morning and early in the evening, and the milk truck came early to pick up the milk.  My job as a small boy was to clean out the milking shed with the high pressure hose.  It would just about  knock me off my feet when it started up!  We usually spent 3 weeks there over the Christmas break and for the majority of the time I would be my cousin Basil's little shadow! I loved both the farm and my cousins who owned it.  (just to clarify - my mum was the youngest of 10, and her eldest sisters eldest daughter, Irene, was only five years her junior.  Mum and Irene were more like sisters growing up and carried their friendship throughout the rest of their lives.  So when Irene married a farmer, we got to partake in farming life 3 weeks a year). 

Looking forward to your scene developing.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Farmers are the hardest working people I have ever met - all over the world.  A farm childhood work ethic can take you anywhere you want to go in this world. Those memories from your families farm are priceless. Thank you for sharing them and for following along.  Let's see where this farm scene takes us.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
As promised, here is a picture of the detail castings that I painted with the Hunter Green Satin paint (right side of the picture) and then dipped in the Hunterline Hunter Green stain left side of the picture.  The final step was then to dry brush the castings with a hunter green soft pastel chalk which dulled them down to an acceptable level.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100820230640.jpeg)


It's getting late, I will save the rest of my updates for tomorrows post.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: jerryrbeach on August 11, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
John,


I did a quick Google search to check when the Surge milking machine was invented and it was in the 1920's.  I know that by the very early 50's my grandfather was using Surge machines.  There were some other older style machines still sitting in the barn when I was growing up.  Since I was born in '49 I don't know when he switched to the Surge machines.  I also don't recall the manufacturer of the older machines.   My grandfather sold his dairy herd around 1957 or 58 and immediately stocked the farm with a beef cow calf operation while also taking a job off the farm.  IMO, the choice of hand milking or machine milking likely boiled down to the number of cows to be milked as well as the number of people available to milk.  There was an orange Surge Milker sign on the front of the barn for many years.  It was common at that time for a barn to display tin signs for the type of barn equipment, the seed supplier, and the feed supplier, among others.  Based on the size of the barn in Dario's kit, I would think some type of milking machine would be appropriate.


I want to take a minute to address "free range".  In the 1940's there were still many dirt roads in rural areas.  There were fewer cars and speeds were much lower than they are today.  Also, a larger percentage of the population was engaged in farming.  People not engaged directly in farming would not have been far removed from the farm, especially in rural areas.  Right after WW II my dad's cousin Joe spent his summers on the farm, taking the train to upstate NY from Indiana.  My dad and Joe would ride horses and move the cows along about a dirt road to an unfenced field about a half mile away.  They would nap under some trees wile the cows ate.  Then they would move the herd back to the barn for milking.  When dirt roads were paved, vehicle speeds increased and this was no longer an option. 


The philosophy at that time was to fence any and all land that was unsuitable for crops for use as pasture.  Even when I bought my farm in 1975, it had two large pastures.  One was 23 acres, the other 18 acres.  Both had a some woods, so finding my beef herd was a challenge.  Ditto finding dairy cows to bring them in for milking.  Most farmers fed some grain at milking so it was easier to get them to come into the barn twice a day, but that was no guarantee.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 11, 2020, 10:05:31 PM
Here is a picture of the castings as I start to add the dark green soft pastel. The green comes back and the shinny goes away.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110820220503.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2020, 09:15:45 PM
John,


I did a quick Google search to check when the Surge milking machine was invented and it was in the 1920's.  I know that by the very early 50's my grandfather was using Surge machines.  There were some other older style machines still sitting in the barn when I was growing up.  Since I was born in '49 I don't know when he switched to the Surge machines.  I also don't recall the manufacturer of the older machines.   My grandfather sold his dairy herd around 1957 or 58 and immediately stocked the farm with a beef cow calf operation while also taking a job off the farm.  IMO, the choice of hand milking or machine milking likely boiled down to the number of cows to be milked as well as the number of people available to milk.  There was an orange Surge Milker sign on the front of the barn for many years.  It was common at that time for a barn to display tin signs for the type of barn equipment, the seed supplier, and the feed supplier, among others.  Based on the size of the barn in Dario's kit, I would think some type of milking machine would be appropriate.


I want to take a minute to address "free range".  In the 1940's there were still many dirt roads in rural areas.  There were fewer cars and speeds were much lower than they are today.  Also, a larger percentage of the population was engaged in farming.  People not engaged directly in farming would not have been far removed from the farm, especially in rural areas.  Right after WW II my dad's cousin Joe spent his summers on the farm, taking the train to upstate NY from Indiana.  My dad and Joe would ride horses and move the cows along about a dirt road to an unfenced field about a half mile away.  They would nap under some trees wile the cows ate.  Then they would move the herd back to the barn for milking.  When dirt roads were paved, vehicle speeds increased and this was no longer an option. 


The philosophy at that time was to fence any and all land that was unsuitable for crops for use as pasture.  Even when I bought my farm in 1975, it had two large pastures.  One was 23 acres, the other 18 acres.  Both had a some woods, so finding my beef herd was a challenge.  Ditto finding dairy cows to bring them in for milking.  Most farmers fed some grain at milking so it was easier to get them to come into the barn twice a day, but that was no guarantee.


Jerry


Thank you for sharing all the great information. I asked my mother this evening what brought the free range cattle to an end on our family farm and she said 2 cows being hit by cars. She was not sure of the timing but it was in the 1960's. I was born in 1958 so my childhood memories are at the tale end of the free range era in Michigan. Thank you for following along - we will see where this journey takes us. I'm going to see if I can find a Surge Milk Machine sign to hang on the barn.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2020, 07:56:03 AM
Update: The foundation for the Whispering Falls barn is assembled - waiting for the glue to dry.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130820075215.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2020, 08:03:43 AM
I used 1/2 inch basswood for the bracing. I also made lap joints for the junctions between the different types of wall sections. I may add some basswood bracing to the back side of the castings lengthwise to make sure they stay straight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 13, 2020, 08:35:08 AM
I have been taking a lot of pictures of prototype barns - here are a couple pictures that I took this week in my travels.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130820083322-45464392.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130820083323-454681893.jpeg)


Dario sure nailed the design.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 14, 2020, 07:33:18 PM
Update: I spent the last couple of days with my 4 year old Grandson running trains and working on the layout fixing a couple areas of track that need attention.  I'm not sure who had more fun.  ;)   The layout ran great and NCE gets my endorsement for throttle ease of use.  My Grandson was running trains like a pro in no time. After a couple of hours I just let him go for it without issue. He was sure a lot of help working on the layout - it's amazing how easy it is for him to crawl under the layout. Tomorrow, I will be back building structures with renewed enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 15, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
Running trains on the S&S RR.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150820215207-45520196.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 15, 2020, 09:57:20 PM
Lessons learned: Siding Stops need to be a priority in the Superior Yard.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150820215207-455181742.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150820215207-45519937.jpeg)


No-  I'm not blaming that on my Grandson. My bad, forward vs. reverse with a GP-7.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 15, 2020, 09:58:31 PM
I have no idea why my pictures are so small?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 15, 2020, 09:59:37 PM
The foundation for the Whispering Falls build is in the paint booth.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150820215207-4552138.jpeg)




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150820215207-45522749.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:27:26 AM
Picture test: Medium setting from photos.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820072620.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:38:59 AM

Picture test 2 high resolution.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820073819.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Janbouli on August 16, 2020, 12:05:34 PM
I have no idea why my pictures are so small?

What did you say?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 16, 2020, 02:33:48 PM
The rock bases look great whitewashed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 16, 2020, 04:24:21 PM
John,

Gee, that hanging tanker will fit right in here with all our hanging chads.  8)


Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 16, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
In a couple of places, I've used FastTracks PC Board ties turned upside down, soldered to the rail.  I figure those aren't going anywhere if they get hit by a string of cars.  (I paint the tie to look like an old weathered tie, and I'll probably add a couple more ties or a pile of something on top of the PC Board tie.)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 05:27:49 PM
I have no idea why my pictures are so small?

What did you say?


The pictures are way to small to show any detail - just started happening - I think I have to relearn how to use the apple photo's program to make them the right size/resolution.  I will work on it when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 05:30:27 PM
John,

Gee, that hanging tanker will fit right in here with all our hanging chads.  8)


Tom  ;D


Yes, Tom you have point. Can we just have the election today.  I think everyone has already made up their minds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
In a couple of places, I've used FastTracks PC Board ties turned upside down, soldered to the rail.  I figure those aren't going anywhere if they get hit by a string of cars.  (I paint the tie to look like an old weathered tie, and I'll probably add a couple more ties or a pile of something on top of the PC Board tie.)


dave


Dave


I think I'm going to use piles of rail ties like I did in the Eagles Nest yard. It is basically the same idea only I can cut and glue them in big batches.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 05:34:51 PM
The rock bases look great whitewashed.




Curt


I have the foundation painted and I took pictures as I went.  Now, if I can just figure out how to post them with the right resolution. I still think the problem is on my end but I need to do some testing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 16, 2020, 06:20:59 PM
Still squinting at your progress from the land of the long white cloud, John.

I'd say 'looking good' because I'm sure it does, but...

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820190738.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:15:55 PM
So I got the picture problem solved.  Mark will not have to squint to see these pictures.  When you do an export in
Apple Photos there are two sizing boxes.  I produced this picture by setting the size to low but the picture to full size. I tried a few different combinations but this seems to give the clearest picture at a size where you can see the detail. We will give it a try for a few days and see if I want to make another change.




The concrete portion of the foundation is primed with light gray acrylic primer.  The stone portions of the foundation, started with a spray coat of sand camo paint. I will be applying soft pastel chalks to individual stones. As you can see from this picture I have colored random stones the first color.  I'm matching the stone colors to the colors of the stones in the area where the barn will located.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:18:06 PM
Still squinting at your progress from the land of the long white cloud, John.

I'd say 'looking good' because I'm sure it does, but...

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


I hope you can see the new photographs better.  Thank you for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
Here is what the walls looked like after 6 or so colors had been added.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820192718.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
Here is what the walls looked like when all the colors had been added, top casting, and after the blending process with a soft brush, bottom casting.




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820192412-455321984.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:32:14 PM
Finally, after some more blending.  I use raw umber tint on the soft brush to blend everything together.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820192409-455292121.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2020, 07:35:15 PM
On the casting painting front.  My John Deere tractors are get authentic paint colors.  I had a can of touch up paint from my 1:1 John Deere Tractor.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160820192407-45526821.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 17, 2020, 09:46:12 AM
Walls look great John!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 17, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
Walls look great John!


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 19, 2020, 09:22:44 AM
I brought a bunch of detail castings with me to the Northern Hqtrs. of the S&S RR (my cabin in Northern Michigan) for painting. Here is a picture of my workbench.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190820091421.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 19, 2020, 09:52:38 AM
John,

You are one dedicated modeler to take that to your vacation home. I find that I do sometimes need more down time that I did in my youth.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 19, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
John,

You are one dedicated modeler to take that to your vacation home. I find that I do sometimes need more down time that I did in my youth.

Tom  ;D


Tom


I have been retired now for almost 8 years and I thought my interest in modeling would fall off once in and awhile, but so far I just enjoy modeling. I get away from it a few weeks at a time when we travel and I'm ready to get back at it. This year we haven't been traveling and I still haven't got bored with spending so much time modeling.  I even did a model railroading related activity while I was fishing, yesterday.  I found a place along the river where this is some nice fine sand that I use for my roadways on the layout. I filled a 5 gal. bucket and brought it home with me.


I think because there are so many different aspects to our hobby I just change the project, and renew my interest, if something is starting to get old. I do look forward to getting back to traveling, especially when there is a train convention involved.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: ACL1504 on August 19, 2020, 11:05:47 AM
John,

I agree with all you've stated. I've been retired now for 22 years and find that after spending 60+ years in the hobby, I just need a break from all aspects of the hobby. It only last no longer than a week but it seems more frequent lately.  :'(

Hobby on my friend.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2020, 07:22:10 AM
John,

I agree with all you've stated. I've been retired now for 22 years and find that after spending 60+ years in the hobby, I just need a break from all aspects of the hobby. It only last no longer than a week but it seems more frequent lately.  :'(

Hobby on my friend.

Tom  ;D


Tom


I think it is safe to say that we have put in enough time that we can do what we feel like doing, now. Although, I have only been at the hobby for 32 years. I started when my first daughter was born and I need to have a hobby that I could do at home. Thank you for stopping by the thread and the encouragement. I sure have enjoyed watching your layout progress over the years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 20, 2020, 08:01:27 PM
John & Tom it is so good to know you two guys.


That you have that much dedication to the hobby!!


To bad there isn't a machine that could duplicate you guys the hobby needs it!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
John & Tom it is so good to know you two guys.


That you have that much dedication to the hobby!!


To bad there isn't a machine that could duplicate you guys the hobby needs it!!


Jerry


Jerry


Wow - two of us. You may want to rethink that.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2020, 07:54:52 PM
The window castings are all painted and the window glass is drying for the G. Wiliker's build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210820195127-455932299.jpeg)


You can see my pallet of chalks for the wall castings for a couple of out buildings for the Whispering Falls build in the foreground.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 21, 2020, 07:57:24 PM
Here are the wall castings all primed and ready for the pastel chalks.  These are the wall castings from two different C. C. Crow kits that will be companion structures in the Whispering Falls build.




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210820195126-455881097.jpeg)




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 22, 2020, 09:05:11 AM
Hey john:

Looking good. Can't wait to see more.

karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 22, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
Hey john:

Looking good. Can't wait to see more.

karl




Karl


Thank you for following along and the encouragement.  I'm working on models, today, so I should have some more done soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 23, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
John


What do you use for the window glazing?


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 23, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
John


What do you use for the window glazing?


Jerry


Jerry


I have been using canopy glue, lately.  I have also used window glaze.  I will take a picture of the bottles so you know exactly what I'm using. I definitely have less trouble with air bubbles using the canopy glue but that could be a shelf life issue. I like the way it photographs much better than using the clear plastic sheet that comes with most kits and window castings. The clear sheet tends to act like a mirror and produce unrealistic glare.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on August 23, 2020, 02:20:12 PM
John,
 Thanks for raising the bar for all of us to look up too...
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 23, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
John,
 Thanks for raising the bar for all of us to look up too...
Tommy


Tommy


Thank you for the kind words.  Speaking of bars, I'm sure looking forward to get together at the next EXPO or Narrow Gauge Convention. I think some of the best clinics take place when we get together for our favorite beverage after the convention is done for the day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 23, 2020, 07:26:17 PM
John


What do you use for the window glazing?


Jerry




Jerry


I have been using canopy glue, lately.  I have also used window glaze.  I will take a picture of the bottles so you know exactly what I'm using. I definitely have less trouble with air bubbles using the canopy glue but that could be a shelf life issue. I like the way it photographs much better than using the clear plastic sheet that comes with most kits and window castings. The clear sheet tends to act like a mirror and produce unrealistic glare.


Jerry


Here is the picture I promised.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230820191834.jpeg)


I remember seeing a thread recently that said the packaging may have changed on the Canopy glue. I have a bottle and a half and then I will need to check out the new or repackaged stuff.  Does anyone have an update?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2020, 07:43:26 PM
I made some more progress on the Whispering Falls build, today.  I glued the foundation to a 1/16 inch thick project board and then glued that temporarily to a 3/16 inch gator board for holding everything in place while it's on my workbench.  This will be a lot easier than gluing everything to the large base board right from the start. I painted the project board black so it will be covered with dirt and serve as the floor of the ground level of the barn. Here are a few pictures of the process.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240820193337-456251734.jpeg)


The white board is my 1/16 inch thick project board sitting on the gator board. I added a dab of glue in each corner to hold it in place on the gator board.  The main base board for this build is being glued together in place on the layout I will move it to my big workbench when I'm ready start putting all the subassemblies together and build the complete diorama.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2020, 07:47:11 PM
This whole process started when I decided that the foundation needed to be glued together and held in place while the glue dried to keep everything lined up and square.  Here is what it looked like when I glued it down to the project board.  I think I used every square I own - except for the one that was in use on my layout table for the G. Wilikers assembly process.  More on that later.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240820193338-45626461.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2020, 08:00:49 PM
I also started putting the walls together for one of C.C. Crow kits that I will be using as an out building for my Whispering Falls build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240820193340-45627269.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240820195806-456292460.jpeg)




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240820195809-45632642.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2020, 08:04:14 PM
I'm also continuing to put the walls together for the G. Wilikers build.  Here is a picture of the Driftwood Stain going on before I add the white pastel chalk for the paint.  I will have some pictures of these walls finished, tomorrow.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240820195808-456311439.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 24, 2020, 08:50:44 PM
Looking good, John.

I really like the coloring of the stonework.  I do notice a number of air bubbles in the first blown up photo that you may want to address.  I see you opted for timber sills and lintels for the windows.  They appear to have wood grain in them(?)  Is this mentioned in the instructions?

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2020, 09:07:19 PM
Looking good, John.

I really like the coloring of the stonework.  I do notice a number of air bubbles in the first blown up photo that you may want to address.  I see you opted for timber sills and lintels for the windows.  They appear to have wood grain in them(?)  Is this mentioned in the instructions?

Cheers, Mark.


Hi Mark


Thank you for stopping by and thank you for the kind words. The air bubbles only show up on a blown up  photograph. If you look at the assembly picture they are real hard to see. Rather than take the time to fill them I decided to go for it on this build. This will be three feet plus back on the layout so only the forum members will know they are there. I did work the wood over for the sills and lintels with a rasp which gives it that worn look.  This building is supposed to be part of the original ranch / farm on the property and will be back against the mountain side.  The instruction do call for the wood sills and lintels. I like the look for an old stone building.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 24, 2020, 09:08:43 PM
Terrific looking stone work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2020, 09:10:26 PM
Terrific looking stone work.


Thank you Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: NKP768 on August 25, 2020, 07:32:53 AM
Nice work on the stone effect - do you add the nail holes prior to the first application of the Hunterline stain?
Doug
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:48:37 AM
Nice work on the stone effect - do you add the nail holes prior to the first application of the Hunterline stain?
Doug


Doug


Thank you for the kind words and for following along. I didn't put nail heads on this model - sometimes you need to change things up.  I going for the chalky paint - I need a paint job - look for this build.  With this process I would put them on just before the Hunter Line stain.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:50:55 AM
Here is a picture of the completed walls for the G. Wiliker's build.  I'm now going to move them to my layout table for assembly.  The glass plate is now going to be used to make the flooring for the Whispering Falls barn.
You can see that I have been studying the drawings while I painted the wall sections for G. Wilikers.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:10:11 PM
Update:  For tonight's update I want to start with the Whispering Falls build.  Here is a couple pictures of the barn foundations now that all the clamps and weights are put away and the glue is dry.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:25:27 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:27:28 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:29:00 PM


The next step in the build is to build the main barn floor.  I started cutting the wood for the floor and kept going back to the foundation and then to the site where it will be on my layout. Then I flipped through the instructions.  I was about to build a highly detailed interior beam system that wasn't going to be seen once it was on the layout. So I decided to spend a couple hours this afternoon doing a mockup and some redesign work. First, I wanted to duplicate the part of my Grandparents barn that I remember from my childhood.  The stalls and feeding area where the cows were milked. One of my jobs as a kid was to lock the cows heads in the 
stalls so they would stay in one place while they were milked. I remember the wood stanchions that closed around the cows heads, the feed trough and the trough for the feed when the cows was done with it. So I made up a mockup with some of my recently purchase livestock and guess what - it will fit perfectly in the basement of the barn. 


Jerry - is the word stanchion correct for this?  That's what I remember my Grandparents calling it but it was a few years ago. Here is a few pictures that show the process I went through to visualize what this would look like.


First, line of site into the basement of the barn.  Here is a  couple pictures of the line of site when the foundation is in place on the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:33:29 PM
And from the other side if I model this with the doors open. I may have to scratch build the barn doors for this side.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 09:34:58 PM
This is how I started the process - 11 cows on each side of the barn.  I'm pretty sure my Grandparents had 11 cows that they milked.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 10:17:22 PM
And then the sketches.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 10:27:30 PM
At this point I laid the sketches on top of the foundation and declared this part of the project a go.


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I also decided that I wanted to be able to view the interior of the third, "loft", level of the barn so I will be opening up the cable ends and installing large open doors that where used to get the hay into the loft.
The visibility to the interior on the main level of the barn is designed into the kit with large open doors at both ends - see the pictures a few pages back in this thread.  All three interior levels visible and detailed. check
Now for the lighting so it truly is visible on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2020, 10:42:48 PM
Finally, for tonight.  The walls are going together for the G. Wiliker's build.  Here is the lower level for the main building.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 26, 2020, 01:55:39 AM
Hey John:

Looks just great so far. Keep the pics flowing.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 26, 2020, 02:08:52 AM
Looking fantastic, John.

Did you hand paint the cows?

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 26, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
Hey John:

Looks just great so far. Keep the pics flowing.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for the encouraging words - we keep working away at it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 26, 2020, 08:33:20 AM
Looking fantastic, John.

Did you hand paint the cows?

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for following along and the encouragement.  The cows are straight out of the box and will need some chalk and detailing to look more realistic. This is going to be one of those builds where the detailing will take longer than the structure build itself.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 26, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
Fantastic modeling John. I look forward to seeing the interior you scratchbuild.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 26, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
Fantastic modeling John. I look forward to seeing the interior you scratchbuild.


Curt


Thank you - I'm really having fun with this project. I will post progress pictures as it develops.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on August 28, 2020, 03:41:26 AM
Hey John:

Looking just great. Can't wait to see what you do with this.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: MAP on August 28, 2020, 06:29:58 AM
Great progress on this build John!  You really know how to juggle multiple builds at the same time.  As usual your stone work is fantastic.  You probably have mentioned it before, but what is that neat looking fixture you're using on the J. Wilikers walls in the picture below?  It looks like a real fancy fixture to hold pieces at a 90 degree angle. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 08:05:16 AM
Hey John:

Looking just great. Can't wait to see what you do with this.

Karl


Karl


Thank you
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 08:18:02 AM
Great progress on this build John!  You really know how to juggle multiple builds at the same time.  As usual your stone work is fantastic.  You probably have mentioned it before, but what is that neat looking fixture you're using on the J. Wilikers walls in the picture below?  It looks like a real fancy fixture to hold pieces at a 90 degree angle.


Mark


Thank you for following along and the kind words. I like having two or three builds going at once - it's just the way I like to do it.  The layout table is simply a series of T slots with a variety of clamping fixtures sold by Rockler. It works real nice for the assembly of structures. I have been using it now for a couple years so if you look back through this build thread you will see it in action.  I also posted pictures of the various clamps and fixtures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on August 28, 2020, 09:19:29 AM
John I see your off and running two at a time.


Your usual high standards on both.


Always great to follow along with your builds.


Jerry

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 10:58:44 AM
John I see your off and running two at a time.


Your usual high standards on both.


Always great to follow along with your builds.


Jerry


Jerry


Thank you for following along and the encouragement.  I typically have three going at once - I haven't posted an update, lately, but I'm also working on the installation of the Brick Roundhouse - wiring and details that I want to install in place on the layout instead of on the workbench.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: vinceg on August 28, 2020, 01:43:16 PM
I am so glad you're doing this, John. I am lovin it. G Wilikers was THE kit that pulled me into whole craftsman kit disease. Looking forward to building mine someday.

Look great so far!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
I am so glad you're doing this, John. I am lovin it. G Wilikers was THE kit that pulled me into whole craftsman kit disease. Looking forward to building mine someday.

Look great so far!


Vince


Thank you for following along and the encouragement - I have some more progress to report tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 07:52:10 PM
Update: Whispering Falls build.  Test fit of the beam structure for the main floor of the barn.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 07:53:16 PM
Gluing the main beam structure over the template.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 07:54:58 PM
The baseboard is glued together and moved from the layout to one of my workbenches. I will build the diorama here and then move it back to the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
The main building for G. Wilikers is going together on my layout table. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 07:58:46 PM
Mark's question prompted me to take a picture of the clamps and fixtures that I have to help with getting things square and held in place as the glue dries. As you can see from the pictures I use a lot of weights and angle plates, too.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 08:00:07 PM
It really helps me having everything within arms reach during this process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2020, 08:00:36 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 30, 2020, 10:11:23 AM
Update on G. Wilikers:  The walls of the main building going together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 30, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
Update on The Whispering Falls Build:  I added the wood floors to the lower level and the main level of the barn.  I used three different colors of Hunterline Stain to get the old board, replaced a few years ago, and replaced recently look. The lower level floor will be heavily weathered to make it look like a barn with cows in it.  Lots of hay, dirt and hay after the cows are done with it.  Next up, scratch building the interior for the lower level.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 30, 2020, 11:22:02 AM
The wood looks great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 30, 2020, 03:10:45 PM
More good progress, John.

Looking great.  Do you keep notes on the different techniques/ colouring/ weathering you are using on your builds?  I just wonder as I think I'd be inclined to muddle them up if I was doing three at a time.

Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 30, 2020, 04:13:29 PM
The wood looks great.


Curt


Thank you, this is a new technique for me - I think it is going to work very nicely inside the barn.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 30, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
More good progress, John.

Looking great.  Do you keep notes on the different techniques/ colouring/ weathering you are using on your builds?  I just wonder as I think I'd be inclined to muddle them up if I was doing three at a time.

Cheers, Mark


Mark


Thank you for the encouraging words - I keep some notes on the workbench as I'm building and then these build threads serve as a historical record for me.  It is very rare for me to use the same technique on multiple builds - I keep changing things up so it doesn't all look the same.  Except for the driftwood undercoat on G. Wilikers I'm using a completely different technique between these three builds. It keeps life interesting.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 08:31:40 AM
I'm at the point with both the G. Wilikers build and the Whispering Falls build where I need to figure out what I want to do with lighting. I need to get some serious lighting into the Whispering Falls Barn to show off the interior details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on August 31, 2020, 02:09:30 PM
I hope you'll provide some work-in-progress/thought process notes on planning structure lighting.  That's an area that I'm getting into.  One thing I haven't quite figured is how I'll hook up all those lit-up buildings.  I think I'm going to run a 12VDC bus, and just plan all the structure lighting around that as the standard. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 03:03:13 PM
I hope you'll provide some work-in-progress/thought process notes on planning structure lighting.  That's an area that I'm getting into.  One thing I haven't quite figured is how I'll hook up all those lit-up buildings.  I think I'm going to run a 12VDC bus, and just plan all the structure lighting around that as the standard. 


dave


Dave


I would be happy to do that. I think that lighting up the interiors of models, especially ones with interior detail like this Whispering Falls Barn, is extremely important.


Step one for me:  Figure out how I can work on the circuit if something goes wrong. I will take a picture tonight and explain why I shot down my first idea with this barn.


My layout has a 110 volt bus running all around the layout so I use 5, 10 and 18 volt power supplies plugged into this bus, as needed. I'm running the LED structure lighting and the touch control turnout controls this way. I think the wire to run a bus is probably a wash with the cost of the power supplies.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:23:15 PM
So a few posts on my thought process on the lighting of this barn.  The framework and interior detail will be visible on all three levels of the barn.  Here is a picture of a test I did with the floor sitting on the barn foundation and in position on the layout.  As you can see, I will need interior lighting to see the details in the lower level.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
I plan on using the same lights for the barn that I used for my Locomotive Works.  I bought them from Bill at MicroLumina.  If you want to learn about LED lighting and setting up the circuits read Bill's Light Bites on his webpage below. I should mention that Bill made these lights custom for me for the Locomotive Works and I ordered a bunch of them because I have a number of projects where I plan to us them.


https://microlumina.com (https://microlumina.com)


I will post some pictures below of the lights I will use and a couple pictures of the Locomotive Works interior to show what I'm after. 






The lights


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The lights installed in my Locomotive Works.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:34:16 PM
Wow - we had a belt break in the Locomotive Works - need to get a maintenance crew over there tomorrow.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on August 31, 2020, 09:37:21 PM
John, The Locomotive Works look's great with the finished work....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:40:33 PM

You will need to read Bill's Light Bites to understand this post.  This is what one of Bill's bookshelves looks like when you put it in a little drawer so you have access for maintenance.



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
John, The Locomotive Works look's great with the finished work....Dennis


Dennis


Thank you - I have a lot of hours in that build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:44:51 PM
Finally for tonight, here is the first installation of a light in the ceiling of the lower level of the barn. I have some progress pictures of the G. Wilikers build that I will post tomorrow.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on August 31, 2020, 09:47:58 PM
The conduit for the wires is a real prototypical look.  In a barn in 1949 all of the wiring would be outside the walls and new.  One more design point for tonight.  This farm/ranch is in the mountains in 1949.  Not exactly on the grid.  So, it looks like a steam boiler and generator will be needed. More details. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: mark dalrymple on August 31, 2020, 10:11:22 PM
Looks fabulous, John!

The roundhouse interior looks excellent all lit up.  Do I see PPE on those LBP?  I'm guessing making safety glasses for them might be pushing it?  As always, loving your work.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 08:18:52 AM
Looks fabulous, John!

The roundhouse interior looks excellent all lit up.  Do I see PPE on those LBP?  I'm guessing making safety glasses for them might be pushing it?  As always, loving your work.

Cheers, Mark.


Mark


Thank you for the kind words and suggestions. Yes - safety glasses is pushing it.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: postalkarl on September 01, 2020, 08:32:59 AM
Hey John:

That interior is just beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 01, 2020, 08:50:46 AM
Truly outstanding interior.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Jerry on September 01, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
John


Great detailing and lighting.


I'll follow the lightning closely as I need to figure out how to do the Mill.
I need all the help I can get when it comes to the light at the end of tunnel seeing I've done it before!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on September 01, 2020, 10:14:40 AM
Western Scale Models made a nice generator casting for their stamp mill.  That's one of the more easy parts to find on eBay, etc. 


Are you running 2 conductors through the "conduit", or just 1 wire and using the conduit itself for the other conductor?


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Hey John:

That interior is just beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

Karl


Karl


Thank you for following along, and the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 01:36:49 PM
Truly outstanding interior.




Curt

Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 01:39:02 PM
John


Great detailing and lighting.


I'll follow the lightning closely as I need to figure out how to do the Mill.
I need all the help I can get when it comes to the light at the end of tunnel seeing I've done it before!!


Jerry


Jerry


The LED lighting of structures can really be rewarding but it does have some challenges. The LED's are so little and the wires are like the hair I once had.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 01:42:37 PM
Western Scale Models made a nice generator casting for their stamp mill.  That's one of the more easy parts to find on eBay, etc. 


Are you running 2 conductors through the "conduit", or just 1 wire and using the conduit itself for the other conductor?


dave


Dave


Funny you should mention the Western Scale Models generator I'm looking for one - I still think I already have one but where is it?


I'm using 2  conductors.  I run the fine wires to a nonvisable connection and then heavier wire from there to the junction box.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 08:38:42 PM
Update: Whispering Falls build.  Today, I finished the posts and added the first two LED lights to the ceiling of the lower floor of the barn.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 08:43:35 PM
Also, added the wood walls to the complete lower level of the barn.  I used a A & I stain bath for the pieces of stripwood that I used for the walls. I used two slightly different widths of boards and two different thickness to give it a more 3-D rough cut barn wood look. Now for the details.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 08:46:51 PM
On another front the foundation has been glued to the baseboard for the horse barn.  We are going to have two barns going up at the same time. This is a C. C. Crow kit that will be part of the same scene as the Whispering Falls kit.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 08:54:28 PM
Update: G. Wilikers build. I have some catching up to do with this build.  I got behind in posting pictures. So, about three pages back I had just assembled the four main walls for the main building.  Next, the three walls for the upper level entry way. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 08:56:41 PM
Next - the ceiling goes on after a trip to the paint booth for the hunter green trim paint. I will add the hunter green soft pastel chalk to tone down the shinny look during the final detailing and touchup process.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 01, 2020, 09:00:48 PM

Next - is the roof card for the main building.  This is just a test fit - before I add all the internal bracing.





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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 01, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
Top notch modeling John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: Dennis Bourey on September 01, 2020, 09:57:23 PM
I agree with Curt, John....Dennis
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 02, 2020, 08:17:32 AM
Top notch modeling John.


Curt


Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 02, 2020, 08:30:46 AM
I agree with Curt, John....Dennis


Dennis


Thank you,
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 03, 2020, 08:51:48 PM
My Grandson and I visited my Grandparents old farm today and took some prototype pictures of the interior of the old cow barn that I remember so well from my childhood. It was strange explaining to my Grandson that they were his Great, Great Grandparents or 2 times Great.  I plan on matching the design of the interior for the Whispering Falls build. The picture in my mind was pretty accurate - it has been at least 35 years since I was in the barn.  I will post a couple pictures when I can get them downloaded and processed. I have very limited internet here in Michigan's North country.


 I was asked tonight if I know where his three times Great Grandparents lived, so we are going to take a field trip tomorrow for him to see their old farm - if it's still there.  It was a Jeep ride through the woods to get there last time I was there. I took pictures of it about 10 years ago, if it's not, that I can show him.  His three times Great Grandparents were some of the original people that settled in this area from Europe in the 1870's to 1900's. He sure took an amazing interest - he is only 4 years old. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: PaulS on September 04, 2020, 07:38:23 AM
My Grandson and I visited my Grandparents old farm today and took some prototype pictures of the interior of the old cow barn that I remember so well from my childhood. It was strange explaining to my Grandson that they were his Great, Great Grandparents or 2 times Great.  I plan on matching the design of the interior for the Whispering Falls build. The picture in my mind was pretty accurate - it has been at least 35 years since I was in the barn.  I will post a couple pictures when I can get them downloaded and processed. I have very limited internet here in Michigan's North country.


 I was asked tonight if I know where his three times Great Grandparents lived, so we are going to take a field trip tomorrow for him to see their old farm - if it's still there.  It was a Jeep ride through the woods to get there last time I was there. I took pictures of it about 10 years ago, if it's not, that I can show him.  His three times Great Grandparents were some of the original people that settled in this area from Europe in the 1870's to 1900's. He sure took an amazing interest - he is only 4 years old.


John, sounds like an absolutely wonderful trip to the north woods and down memory lane with your grandson !!   And what a gift to be able to pass along to him his family heritage not only in stories but in retracing some of their steps like the trip to the barn to bring those stories to life.
Have a wonderful day and hope you catch a couple of fish today.
--Paul
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: deemery on September 04, 2020, 08:45:31 AM
John, you should think about recording some voice memos during that trip.  I remember going on trips like that to see family history, but I've forgotten most of what I was told :-(


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 3) Started 7/27/19
Post by: S&S RR on September 05, 2020, 10:37:17 PM
My Grandson and I visited my Grandparents old farm today and took some prototype pictures of the interior of the old cow barn that I remember so well from my childhood. It was strange explaining to my Grandson that they were his Great, Great Grandparents or 2 times Great.  I plan on matching the design of the interior for the Whispering Falls build. The picture in my mind was pretty