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Title: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 30, 2016, 10:28:44 PM
I am starting a new HO gage layout in my garage.  SP RR in this case is short for the Suphrin Pathetik.  When I was in high school my father and I were in the process of building an HO layout in our basement.  My father worked for the Southern Pacific in San Francisco.  We belonged to the local model railroad club and made several excursions to see John Allen's layout in Monterey.  Of course everyone knows the name of his layout was the Gorre and Daphedid.  I then  suggested to my father that we name our RR the Suphrin and Pathetik and he liked it.

So after some 50 years and retirement and other hobby diversions, I am starting on a new layout in the garage.  But first I had to clean out some space in it which included and experimental airplane kit which I never finished.  I finally sold it last year. 

I changed the lighting in the garage.  I removed the old fluorescent fixtures which didn't produce enough light and had installed new LED fixtures.  Home Depot had a new 48" LED shop light in their store last week.  It has 3100 lumens and the color is 4000 kelvin.  I bought 11 of these fixtures. The layout will cover 230 sf.  The new fixtures will provide about 148 lumens per sf.  I read an article which said that you should have about 100 lumens per sf of work area and it also said to allow for a loss of lumens on the work surface.  So I have allowed about a 33 percent loss.  The new lighting is fantastic.  The fixtures are hung by chains from the ceiling.  The garage ceiling slopes from 11 ft. 

 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 30, 2016, 10:44:12 PM
So I bet that you never thought you would see an airplane on the forum.

So this has been in the planning for several years now and I have been working on a track plan during this time.  I wanted a railroad with some logging operations and a mainline railroad to service it.  After looking at a lot of track plans in the Model Railroader I put together the attached plan. I used the 3rd plan it CAD system to draw the layout.  I tried one of the other software products on the market and it was very cumbersome to use.  It allows for many different trial versions of a layout until you finally get what you want. Another thing I did was asked for comments from fellow model railroaders as to what their thoughts were and also what they thought from an operations standpoint.  I also used the software to design the bench work.  Now it is time to visit Home Depot or Lowes for the lumber. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on January 30, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
Nice area to work with. I will be watching!



 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jbvb on January 31, 2016, 08:04:49 AM
It looks like your access to the helix in the lower left corner will be from below?
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on January 31, 2016, 08:43:09 AM
Steve,

Appears you have all the details worked out. I'll be following along with the others.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: EricQuebec on January 31, 2016, 09:29:01 AM
I will follow too.
Eric Québec city
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: GPdemayo on January 31, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
Looks like you're going to have a bit of fun Steve.....I'll be watching your progress.


It's a shame you didn't get the plane finished so you could fly it.....if that's the model I think it is, it is a fast and fun plane to fly. Many of those kit planes are great performers and economical, but I can't imagine, with my pathetic mechanical skills, I'd want to risk my life in something I built.


Don't forget to post plenty of pictures.....we all love pictures!  ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on January 31, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
I'd never build my own plane.  I'd have parts left over and wonder what they were for.   :)  Two years ago at EAA Oshkosh, they built a plane in a week, but had 'pros' do it.  Looking forward to your progress on the layout.

Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on January 31, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Steve


A brand new space to fill with a layout - this is going to be fun to watch. I like your plan.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 31, 2016, 04:58:51 PM
Thanks everyone for your interest.  I will try to include lots of progress pictures.

James, about 3/4 of the helix will have access from below.  It will go into a tunnel before the spur will cross over the top of it.

Greg, the airplane kit is a Glasair I with a retractable landing gear, and will cruise at about 190 miles per hour with a 180 horsepower engine and it is very fuel efficient.  I just lost interest in the project and I am returning to model railroading in my retirement.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: mark dalrymple on January 31, 2016, 07:40:54 PM
Looks very interesting, Steve.

I'll be checking in on your progress.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on February 01, 2016, 01:39:21 AM
Steve,
 I will watch your layout build.  ;)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 01, 2016, 12:45:58 PM
Thanks Mark and Tom for your interest.  I am having a Fujistu mini split heat pump unit installed in the garage on Thursday this week.  Got to keep the place cool in the desert in the summer.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on February 01, 2016, 04:05:26 PM
Great , another layout thread , I will be following, looking forward to all the photo's  ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on February 01, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
Steven,

Glad to see your post on the SP railroad. This means you are really getting serious. The lighting looks great.  Keep posting your progress.

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 12, 2016, 07:29:43 PM
Monday I went to Home Depot to purchase the lumber for the bench work and helped out a friend with his project.  Yesterday I started the construction of the bench work.  I drew the bench work plans with 3rd Planit and the details for the frames that will support the L-Girders.  I am prefabricating them.  Today, after installing a ceiling fan for the wife in her home office, I cut the legs to length, drilled holes for the T-nuts.  I will be able to make adjustment to the height to compensate for the uneven concrete floor.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on February 13, 2016, 07:44:10 AM
Steve,

As I mentioned, it looks like you have all the details down! Great idea on being able to level the bench work.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: lynn boyd on February 14, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
That is one  amazing layout  your  about to dive into. I restarted mine 2 years ago and  again  added the leg  adjusters,  works good for the most  part , especially setting up  in the basement  where  the floors  are  smooth but also  flow toward the middle. I found  attaching to  the wall studs  did the most support where as  the legs did help . Just joining  the site so it will be nice to follow along with your  adventure.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 15, 2016, 01:01:46 PM
Thanks  for stopping by Lynn.  I wanted all the vertical support on the legs, just in case the layout needs moving someday.  I am attaching it to the walls for horizontal support though.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on February 15, 2016, 07:33:18 PM
Steve


Your off to a great start - I will be following your progress.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 17, 2016, 12:42:11 PM
I have been prefabricating more components for the bench work the last couple of days.  I have completed 10 leg pairs with a keeper joist and diagonal bracing, and have completed the L-Girders.

I sort of set up a template to fabricate the leg pairs.  They are different in widths.  I used drywall screws and glued the joints.

On the l-Girders, I applied glue to the joint between the 1x2 and the 1x4 and placed drywall screws 1' centers.

So in the next several days I will assemble all the components into the bench work.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on February 17, 2016, 02:20:03 PM
The Man Has A Plan!!!


Go get 'em Steve!!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on February 17, 2016, 08:06:21 PM
Ix like seeing big stacks of lumber.



 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 18, 2016, 08:22:20 PM
Andy, I am hoping to see lots of track soon.  Donato, I trying hard with the plan.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 20, 2016, 07:35:42 PM
Just wanted to let everyone that I haven't slacked off.  I started to assemble the bench work in the sawmill area and the canyon.  There will be three separate tracks crossing the canyon on various bridges types.  The canyon will be in the lower area in the  center shown in the photo.  I sure am glad I installed the adjustable glides in the bottom of the legs.  The garage floor is not level. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jerryrbeach on February 21, 2016, 11:06:57 AM
Steve,
I like your use of prefab leg assemblies and the levelers.  Your bench work looks very neat and solid.  Looking forward to your progress.
Jerry
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 23, 2016, 09:15:10 PM
The first 2 pictures are what is completed today on my benchwork.  The next two pictures show how much adjustment was need in the leg levelers.  I had to order new levelers with a 2-1/2" thread because the original ones I purchased were only 1-1/2".  They were not long enough to provide the proper support.  The 5th picture, I labeled the different major areas of the layout. I still need to finish the area in the front where the rail yard etc. is located
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on February 23, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
Steve,

You are making great progress. Glad to see it in three dimensions. Keep up the great work. What's next?

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: EricQuebec on February 24, 2016, 05:53:13 AM
Nice work on the benchwork...
can't wait to see your next progress

Eric Québec city
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Cuse on February 24, 2016, 06:24:37 AM
Nice work Steve...It's interesting to me to see how people with a plan and discipline build their layouts  ;D


John
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on February 24, 2016, 07:16:32 AM
Nice work Steve...It's interesting to me to see how people with a plan and discipline build their layouts  ;D


John


Steve,

You sure are fast!  I never had a plan and probably don't have much discipline. I do have a whole bunch of redo in me.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 24, 2016, 12:22:51 PM
Frank, I need to finish the bench work up, get it leveled and start the track bed.  I am going to try to use spline roadbed made out of 1/4" Masonite.  If it doesn't work out well then it is Plan B

John and Tom, When you have a plan, you make mistakes along the way and screw things up and then you still have to redo them though.  Maybe not as much though.

Eric thanks for you nice comment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Twist67 on February 25, 2016, 06:47:17 AM
Hi,
you´re doing fantastic benchwork. It´s looking straight and clean. Great work.

Regards,Chris
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 25, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
Thanks for the compliment Chris.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 26, 2016, 07:06:24 PM
OK The bench work is complete.  The furniture levelers came today in the mail and I installed them where the longer stem was needed.  I also leveled the top surface and squared up the bench work and I am now ready for the next phase.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on February 27, 2016, 04:08:36 PM
Impressive!!!  Fast AND Neat.....
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 27, 2016, 04:37:33 PM
Thanks Donato, Now everyone will see how the next phase will go, track work and wiring and I hope just as neat and fast.
 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on February 27, 2016, 04:40:57 PM
Steve,

Progress is looking great. I might just have to take a drive down and see it in person.

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on February 27, 2016, 06:17:52 PM
Nice benchwork!


Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 27, 2016, 07:14:14 PM
Come on down Frank.

Thanks for your nice comment.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2016, 08:37:56 PM
Steve


The benchwork and plan look great.  I will be following your progress.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 27, 2016, 09:10:44 PM
I guess the good stuff starts now John.  thanks for your nice comments
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on February 28, 2016, 09:00:41 AM
I guess the good stuff starts now John.  thanks for your nice comments


Steve,

Fantastic bench work. The fun definitely starts now.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 07, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
I started work on the sub roadbed.  I prefabbed the risers and cleats for the railroad yard as shown in the first picture.  They were then set in place with clamps, leveled and screwed in place with one screw.  The plywood is sitting on the risers and cleats in picture 3.  The next step is to screw the plywood in place check that is level and make final adjustments with the risers and add more screws to hold the riser.

There will be a helix built on the end closes to the camera to get to the lower level.   
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jimmillho on March 07, 2016, 08:24:51 PM
Now that is some good looking bench work.

Jim
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: bparrish on March 07, 2016, 09:06:15 PM
Wow ! ! ! !

Way too scientific for me !

thanx
Bob
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on March 07, 2016, 09:37:29 PM
Steve,

Your benchwork is looking great. Really like the progress you are making. No grass growing under your feet. Keep up the wonderful job. Are you coming to the NMRA meet on Saturday? Or will you be in the garage working on the benchwork?

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 08, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
Thanks Jim and Bob for stopping by.  I don't know what is scientific about it Bob.  You just need a plan.

There might be a slight chance that I will go to the meeting on Saturday.  I see what is said at lunch tomorrow Frank.  I think the sub roadbed in the yard and industrial area should be done next week.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on March 09, 2016, 04:03:45 AM
Steve,
 Great progress photos on your railroad empire. Hope that you inspire many others to get going with theirs !  8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: GPdemayo on March 09, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
Great progress Steve.....thanks for posting your progress.....I'll be looking in.  8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 09, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
Thanks for your nice comments Gregory and Tom.  Now back to the garage for more railroading fun.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 10, 2016, 04:03:19 PM
So I am getting ready to install the sub roadbed on the remainder of the layout.  I was thinking about using spline roadbed.  I like the idea of splines because of all the curves involved and by doing so you get the natural easement going into the curves.  But some say that the spline roadbed makes the installation of the tortious switch machines difficult.  My minimum radius is 24".  I was going to use 1/4" Masonite.

Otherwise, I could cut the roadbed out of 1/2" birch plywood.  I will not use the 1/2" sanded fir plywood from Home Depot anymore.  It is only 3 ply and is warped.  I was Ok in the yard and industrial area because it is screwed down with a lot of screws.

Are there any thoughts on this.

Thanks
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jbvb on March 10, 2016, 05:14:28 PM
I've never done spline roadbed, but all that I've seen in magazines and real life was more than an inch deep (top to bottom).  So I could imagine it's better for ground throws and pushrods from the front of the layout.  I know 1/8" masonite can be bent tighter than 24" radius.  Less sure about 1/4".  Used some for fascia once, but that layout had all straight edges, so I never tried bending it.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 10, 2016, 05:54:00 PM
More progress to report.  I finished laying the sub roadbed for the industrial area.  I used a Bosch self leveling laser to level both the upper area and the lower area.  It is an easy tool to use.  Probably to scientific for Bob Parrish though.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: bparrish on March 10, 2016, 06:38:58 PM
That's a fact ....

I'm stuck with old school stuff like a level.

Oh... And stuff like put down a strip of flex trak and roll a Central Valley truck across it and see if it leeks going.  I need to wind my watch into the twentieth century. 

See ya
Bob
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: deemery on March 10, 2016, 07:20:16 PM
A cheap laser level is actually a very handy tool for the layout room.  So's an app for your cellphone that can measure vertical angles.


dave
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on March 11, 2016, 12:33:23 AM
That's a fact ....

I'm stuck with old school stuff like a level.

Oh... And stuff like put down a strip of flex trak and roll a Central Valley truck across it and see if it leeks going.  I need to wind my watch into the twentieth century. 

See ya
Bob


Is this what you use Bob??


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Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: bparrish on March 11, 2016, 08:39:25 PM
Actually that is a pretty accurate method. 

In my earlier life when I was doing engine swaps, we would put a glass of water on the engine intake manifold and level the three engine mounts.  This was necessary because float chambers in carburetters were unforgiving about this stuff. 

See ya
Bob
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 24, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
I have been working on the helix recently.  I used a large piece of construction paper and drew a template on it so that when I cut out the sub roadbed pieces I could check for the proper radius when they are attached together.  I used a router to make lap joints to attach the sub roadbed pieces together with glue.

I attached the buss wires to the underside of the sub roadbed.

Then I calculated what the riser heights should be at eight points and screwed them to the plywood base you see.

I installed the sub roadbed on the risers for the first turn and will lay the track before I continue with the remainder of the helix.

 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on March 25, 2016, 08:57:40 AM
Steve,

You are moving right along. It all looks great. Thanks for all the photosl.

I've used the water level method several times. Mostly on setting footers when I built the train room. Of course a clear hose is necessary but really comes in handy when the ground ins't level. It is also very helpful when you want a level over 8 feet long.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on March 25, 2016, 02:34:00 PM
Steve,

You are moving right along. It all looks great. Thanks for all the photosl.

I've used the water level method several times. Mostly on setting footers when I built the train room. Of course a clear hose is necessary but really comes in handy when the ground ins't level. It is also very helpful when you want a level over 8 feet long.

Tom ;D

Tom,

I think you have a serious beverage challenger here. Look at all the Coke that Steve has in his room. Hmmm. Just saying,

Steve,

Great photos. Looks like you are making a lot of wonderful progress. Keep up the great work.

Frank / Erieman

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Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on March 25, 2016, 07:45:21 PM
Steve


You are really moving along - looks great!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on March 25, 2016, 08:18:48 PM
Tom, Frank and John thanks for stopping by.  When you live in the desert, you have to stay hydrated.  Tucson water tastes lousy, so you have to drink something.  If it was scotch or beer, I would not be making the progress I am.

I did some test fitting of the remainder of the helix today.  It came together like the plan said it would.  Now is time to lay some track on the first layer of the Helix.  I will have to lay it directly on the plywood or else there will be clearance problems.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on March 25, 2016, 09:26:42 PM
Really making some progress.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 04, 2016, 10:56:27 PM
Well I jumped to trying to build some spline roadbed while waiting for some turnouts and Sweep Sticks from Fast Track.

My minimum radius is 24" on the mainline.  I went to a wood store and bought a piece of 6' long 1x6 Poplar for this trial.  I cut it into 1/4" wide strips on a table saw. This afternoon I installed the risers for a 24" radius turn with easements.  I then drove a finish nail in the center of each riser.  Then I placed several strips of the Poplar against the nails and held them in place with spring clamps.  The clamps I bought at Harbor Freight for a $1.50.  It worked out great.  Did not have any problem with the Poplar breaking and I did not need to soak it in water first.

What was really nice is that the easements just naturally formed and I didn't have to figure out the mathematics for them.  My main line has a lot of sweeping turns, so this method will work out very nicely.

I will add the additional strips and glue them to each other.  For the mainline, I plan to make the roadbed 8 strips or 2" wide to allow for the use of cork road bed on top. 

I will now go to the wood workers store and purchase additional lumber and have them cut the 1/4" wide strips.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jerryrbeach on April 05, 2016, 11:10:53 AM
Steve,
I have read a bit about splined roadbed, I'll be interested to see how it works out for you.  Everything sure looks good so far!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on April 05, 2016, 10:22:42 PM
A few years ago I helped a friend put up a spline roadbed, seemed like a BIG waste of time to me. I could never see what was so great about it except it is a lot more work.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 10, 2016, 07:54:05 PM
First of all, thanks for stopping by Jerry and Andy.  Appreciate your comments.

Attached are photo's of the results of my first try at installing spline roadbed.  I was quite happy with the way it turned out.  I did not have any problem with bending the Poplar 1/4" wide strips on a 24" radius.  I did not need to soak them with water nor did any of them break.  For me I think that the key is to have a very good scaled drawing of your track work.  My plan had the location of the curve radius points and the start and finish points of the curve, straight sections and the easements.  I installed risers at all these points and others as needed  My mainline has a lot of curves and easements.  Like I said before, the easements are formed naturally with this method.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Twopoint2 on April 10, 2016, 08:13:04 PM
Bench work looks great, spline roadbed will make nice easements and add to your solid bench work Steve. Thought I read some where the spline roadbed will reduce train noise. I will be following along.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 10, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
This past week I laid my first track on the helix.  I used DAP clear Kitchen and Bath Adhesive Sealant to glue the track down.  To apply it, I used a small trowel with grooves for placing grout for tile that I had for spreading the sealant.  I got a nice even amount on the sub roadbed. I used Fastracks Fast Sticks to maintain the proper radius white the sealant set. 

Where the helix is in two layers, the proper vertical clearance is very tight so I laid the track directly on the sub roadbed.  Where the track daylights, I started the use of cork roadbed and had to create a transition buy sanding the cork roadbed.  You will notice there are two layers of cork.  The first layer will be only used for yards and sidings and the logging railroad.  The second layer is added to the mainline only.     
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 10, 2016, 08:21:01 PM
Jim,

Thanks for stopping by.  The easements turned out very nice on this section.  I do plan to place cork roadbed on top of the spline sub roadbed.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Twist67 on April 11, 2016, 01:41:02 PM
Hi,
gresat work on the benchwork and the spline roadbed looks fantastic.

Regards,Chris
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on April 11, 2016, 01:55:00 PM
Steve,

Bench work looks fantastic. Howard Zane swears by the spline roadbed. I've never tried it so I can't comment. That said, I've heard it both ways. Yours and what I saw of Howard's was really fantastic on the natural easements.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 11, 2016, 03:44:02 PM
Tom,

Thanks for your comments.  Also thanks for the info on posting pictures and text.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 25, 2016, 07:00:44 PM
I finished laying track on the helix yesterday, and I completed the wiring for it today. You can see in the picture that I used suitcase connectors to fasten the feeder wires to the bus wires.  I was able to run a train today to test out the helix and everything went very well.

Next, I will work some more on the spline roadbed for the mainline track.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on April 25, 2016, 07:03:10 PM
Yea! Trains are running on the SP RR. Congrats on the test run.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on April 25, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
It's always great when the trains run.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 26, 2016, 01:08:33 PM
thanks Andy and Tom.  It is great when a train can run the first time.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: deemery on April 26, 2016, 02:47:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPmVhyHBRAM


dave
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 26, 2016, 08:28:27 PM
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This is what I got done today.  I laid out where the key risers should be located.  Such as the beginning of an easement, the beginning and end of the 24" radius, and the top of the 24" curve. Some of the risers are only temporary and will be removed.

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I think that I mentioned before that the clamps came from Harbor Freight at $1.50 ea

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I place 4 splines at a time or half of them.  Once the glue is set overnight, I will place the other 4 splines.

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I had the wood workers store cut the splines for me.  They only charged me $15.00.  They were cut from 2    12' pieces  1" x 6" Poplar.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 26, 2016, 08:32:54 PM
Yes Dave, the SP RR has come alive.

Thanks
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 09, 2016, 08:51:00 PM
I have been completing the mainline spline sub road bed for the mainline RR.

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First install the risers to their correct height.

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Place a nail in the center of the riser and clamp the splines to it.

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If there is a straight section of track between curves, it is necessary to clamp the splines to a straight piece of wood.  Also, it might be necessary to clamp the splines down to the risers if there is a change in grade.

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All the clamps in place holding half of the total splines waiting for the glue to dry.

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All the clamps removed and the first half the splines are screwed to the risers.

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The next step is to install the next four splines, glue and clamp them to the first four that were placed





Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on May 09, 2016, 11:06:49 PM
Steve,

Looking good, but do I denote a straight section of track on the horizon ( last photo)? Howard Zane is a firm believer of "No straight track" and I am in total compliance. Not that I did it, but after implementing this concept on Russ's layout, I am a firm believer. Get out the track saw and make it a nice gentle curve. You will be glad you did. Just don't call me and bust my chops.

And oh yes, it is looking good.

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 09, 2016, 11:40:13 PM
Gee Frank, your busting my chops in front of the whole world. You are correct that you see some straight track. The upper track in the picture to the right that you see is only 4 ft long when it comes out of a curve into another curve.  The lower one is 5 ft long but is hidden for the most part.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on May 09, 2016, 11:45:21 PM
I don't know guy's, no straight track goes against reality.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 10, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
I am with you Andy.  They are short sections only, or they are hidden.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 16, 2016, 04:58:31 PM
I have completed the sub road bed for the mainline track.  I still have to do the sub road bed for the logging area, mining area and the sawmill. The next step for me is to lay the track for the mainline since some of it is hidden by the mining area, and the sawmill area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516150943.jpeg)
This is where the main line leaves the upper level and returns at the lower level, or vice versa.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516150623.jpeg)
The upper mainline is on the right going to the sawmill area. I have done the sub road bed for a siding.  The straight roadbed on the left will be hidden under the mine area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516150705.jpeg)
At the top of the picture is going to be a turnout to go to the sawmill area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516150759.jpeg)
Track returning to the lower level. Just to the right of the center, there is going to be the canyon and river and there will be 3 bridges that are going to cross it.  The sawmill, village will be to the left of the canyon.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516151055.jpeg)
The upper level is where the main yard and service facilities will be located.  The lower level is where the passenger station will be located and an industrial area

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516170112.jpeg)
A different view of the helix connecting the upper level with the lower level.  In the center of the helix will be a small village.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-160516151159.jpeg)
The island in the lower part of the picture is where the logging will take place to furnish raw material to the sawmill.  The mine will be located to the right over the returning mainline track.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on May 16, 2016, 09:23:52 PM
Lots and lots of  lumber, looking good!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 17, 2016, 12:04:59 PM
Thanks Andy, now its time for some cork roadbed.  I received notice that my first order for turnouts is finally going to be shipped tomorrow or Thursday.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on May 17, 2016, 06:47:30 PM
Steve,

Your progress is looking very good, my friend. Look forward to seeing track down and switches in. Keep up the good work.

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 26, 2016, 07:54:44 PM
Here are some more progress photo's of the SP RR.  I have completed placing the cork roadbed on the mainline.  On the mainline I used two layers of cork, 1/16" sheet cork and 3/16 Midwestern cork roadbed.  The reason being that in the logging and mining portion of the RR, sidings and yards I will only use the 1/16" sheet cork.  I will provide grade transitions where required to the single layer of cork by sanding the 3/16" cork.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2016, 10:30:18 PM
Steve


 The benchwork looks great.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on May 27, 2016, 11:13:20 AM
Steve,

I've been meaning to ask.  The lumber you used on your bench work looks really good.  Where did you buy it and what grade of lumber did you get?  Any information would be very helpful.  BTW I really like the way you have laid out your bench work.  Very organized.  Thanks in advance.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 27, 2016, 02:43:22 PM
John,

Thanks for taking a look.   You can now see what the main line will look like. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 27, 2016, 02:48:53 PM
Hi Phil,

I bought the lumber from Home Depot.  I had to sort out the good from the bad at the store.  It is their common grade lumber.  It has work fine for me.  I used 3rd Plan it CAD software to draw my track plan and one that was done I drew the plan for the bench work. When it cam time for the construction, it really went fast.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on May 30, 2016, 08:32:54 PM
I am taking a break from the layout construction and I am going to rehab the passenger station shown  below.  It was built from an article and plans from the 1956 December issue of Model Railroader.  I built it while I was in High School or Junior College.  Needless to say it has suffered over time.

It will be the station for Suphrin and the Railroad main office on the second floor for the SP RR.

I am still waiting for my turnouts that I am having built.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on May 31, 2016, 11:37:45 AM
Thanks for your reply Steve.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 01, 2016, 08:19:40 PM
I have taken apart the structure into its main components, removed the roof supports which have warped over time, removed the roof, removed the windows and walkways. 

I have rebuilt the roof supports for the shed and baggage room as shown. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 04, 2016, 09:24:47 PM
I received 31 of the 49 switches I will need for the layout today.  I had them custom built.  The price was very reasonable when compared to Shinohara switches from Walters.  The problem has been getting them delivered.  The first batch is about 3 months late.

What was nice though was if there was only a couple of inches between turnouts, the builder added this to the turnout.  He also soldered the wire to the frog
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: bparrish on June 05, 2016, 03:20:06 AM
OK ... Steve...

Who made up the turnouts for you? ? ?

see ya
Bob
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 05, 2016, 12:49:21 PM
Hi Bob,

Cream City Turnouts in Wisconsin.  He uses the Fast Trak jigs and templates
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Steve,

I've been meaning to ask.  The lumber you used on your bench work looks really good.  Where did you buy it and what grade of lumber did you get?  Any information would be very helpful.  BTW I really like the way you have laid out your bench work.  Very organized.  Thanks in advance.  Phil


The benchwork looks so good you won't want to cover it up with scenery.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 05, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
thanks John, I just hope the scenery turns out just as good.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 12, 2016, 09:03:57 PM
This is an update on the progress being made on my station

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-120616204137.jpeg)

I painted the station the colors the Southern Pacific did.  The window frames I drew in 3rd Plan it and had them cut with a laser.  I used Wild West Models shake shingles for the roofing.

img]http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-120616204203.jpeg[/img]

This is the freight room for the depot.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-120616204300.jpeg)

Another view of the main station

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-120616204336.jpeg)

This is a temporary setup of what the station will look like.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on June 13, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Looking very good Steve, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on June 13, 2016, 09:10:18 PM
Nice looking station.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 14, 2016, 08:29:31 PM
Thanks Andy and jan for the nice comments.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: postalkarl on June 15, 2016, 07:39:07 AM
Hi Steve:

Nice job fixing up the station.

Karl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 15, 2016, 12:15:49 PM
Thanks Karl.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 21, 2016, 07:03:42 PM
Progress to date on the on the station structure.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-210616183739.jpeg)

When painting castings, some of the castings I drill a hole in the base and insert a toothpick into it.  You then can hold the toothpick in your hand which makes painting the casting very easy.  I also take some of the casting and using double sided tape applied to a tong depressor and stick the castings to it.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-210616183635.jpeg)

Finished castings.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-210616184219.jpeg)

I built this newsstand for the station.  I used 1/64 birch plywood for the structure.  For the magazines and newspapers, I searched the internet for old magazine covers and newspapers.  I copied them into word and reduced the size to an HO scale size magazine.  Then printed on an ink jet printer.  Then cut them out an glued to the news stand

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-210616184111.jpeg)

My messy work bench.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-210616183930.jpeg)

I don't know whether any of you noticed the similarity to FSM's Brownsville Station Kit.  I don't know where George got the inspiration for his kit, but like I said before, I got the plans from an article in a 1956 Model Railroader magazine and originally built it back then.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on June 21, 2016, 07:06:24 PM
Steve,

Great redo on your station. I did notice that both of George's stations have a similar look. And I have them both. I plan to redo the first one as I followed his instructions and the colors don't go with the A&S RR.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 21, 2016, 07:23:56 PM
Thanks Tom,  I was doing some research on the internet to see what George had done with his kit for some ideas.  I ran across a thread of yours on another forum on your build of his kit.  I noticed that you changed the color scheme. You did a nice job on it.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on June 21, 2016, 09:05:18 PM
Nice job on the station and newsstand.


Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 22, 2016, 12:33:43 PM
thanks for the complement Jeff.  I am waiting for some windows and doors to be cut on a laser to finish the project. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on June 23, 2016, 02:36:10 PM
Thanks Tom,  I was doing some research on the internet to see what George had done with his kit for some ideas.  I ran across a thread of yours on another forum on your build of his kit.  I noticed that you changed the color scheme. You did a nice job on it.


Steve,

Thank you but the newer Franklin Station was built for me by Readying Bob (Bob Butts). The official colors of the Atlantic and Southern RR are white with green trim.

Bob did a wonderful job and it has LED lighting as well.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Cuse on June 23, 2016, 06:01:47 PM
That newsstand is fantastic!   :)


John
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on June 23, 2016, 08:25:33 PM
I love the news stand. George gets many of his ideas from the model railroad literature so you may have been inspired by the same article. The last time I visited the F&SM he pulled out a couple files on some of the towers he modeled on the F&SM. He keeps files on different articles which he uses for inspirations for his layout and for his kits.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 24, 2016, 12:03:56 PM
Thanks John & John for your nice comments about my news stand.  At least the passengers will keep busy while waiting for the next train and their trip to their destination.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jbvb on June 27, 2016, 05:38:50 PM
The news stand does look good.  I don't know if you'd actually earn the price of some printer paper by offering it, but I could see your Scale Magazines document saving detail-oriented HO modelers a considerable amount of time.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 27, 2016, 08:28:30 PM
Attached are pictures of the finished station, except for the chimneys.  I am still waiting for them to arrive.  I can now go back to placing track on the mainline.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on June 28, 2016, 07:49:58 AM
Great , not sufrin at all looking at these  ;)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on June 28, 2016, 02:24:36 PM
Beautiful work Steve.  Thanks
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on June 29, 2016, 05:43:50 PM
I am glad you liked the pictures Jan.  And Donato, thanks for the compliment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: GPdemayo on July 04, 2016, 08:51:13 AM
Well done Steve..... 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 04, 2016, 04:10:27 PM
Thanks Greg for the compliment.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 06, 2016, 10:56:50 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-250316201303.jpeg)




Tom,

I think you have a serious beverage challenger here. Look at all the Coke that Steve has in his room. Hmmm. Just saying,

Steve,

Great photos. Looks like you are making a lot of wonderful progress. Keep up the great work.

Frank / Erieman

Well the coke has been put to good use.  I borrowed it from my wife.  I have been laying track now that the station is complete and I have received some of my switches.  It make good weights for holding the track down.

Last week, several of the local model railroaders were over to see my progress.  One made a suggestion that I add a staging yard to the layout.  After some thought, it could be done by adding it under the upper lever where the yard is taking shape.  I will post a sketch in couple of days after I see how well it will work
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 09, 2016, 06:49:23 PM
The track finally reached Suphrin today.  The railroad held a golden spike ceremony at the station.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Raymo on July 09, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
Nice rebuild on the station. Anything I modeled in high school or shortly there after ended up in a barrel. :D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 09, 2016, 10:48:13 PM
Thanks for stopping by Raymo.  This model was ready for the trash barrel, but I liked it so much that I decided to give it a makeover.  I have other models of buildings that deserve the trash can but I can't part with them.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 30, 2016, 09:23:36 PM
I haven't had many pictures to add for a while.  I recently received my NCE Command Control system.  So I have been trying to learn that.  I have it some what installed.  I have it working when tethered to the UTP panel but I am having trouble with the base radio getting to work properly.  I am going to give NCE a call on Monday. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 30, 2016, 09:39:15 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-300716211723.jpeg)
You are looking at a full size drawing of the sawmill area.  I am going to start laying track in this area.  Since I used 3rd Planit CAD system, I printed the drawing to a PDF printer.  I then took the file to a blue Print store to get the actual prints.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-300716211533.jpeg)
I placed my dioramas for the sawmill area that I have built over the last several years on the drawing to see how they would look and fit with the track work plan.  The dioramas will have to be modified slightly, but nothing major.  Also the track plan looks like it is going to work OK.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-300716211633.jpeg)

Another view of the building layout.

 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on July 30, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
Good to see you had your golden spike ceremony.  There's an NCE yahoo group that might be able to help you solve your problems as well.  Does it work intermittently, or not at all?


Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on July 31, 2016, 12:43:15 AM
Steve, that's a great looking bunch of buildings going in.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 31, 2016, 12:04:54 PM
Jeff,

Thanks for taking a look and see.  I attached the base station to the ceiling, which is 10' high with some metal brackets.  The light fixtures suspended from the ceiling are LED lights.  When I was testing the base station out and it was at table height, it worked fine.  But when I installed it ton the ceiling, I was not getting the right output on the ProCab throttle.  A lot of it was garbage. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 31, 2016, 12:13:44 PM
Thanks for the compliment Andy.  The sawmill can be seen on the following link.

http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=1577.0

The locomotive service building and main street are Sierra West kits and they can be found on the Sierra West site at the following links.

http://www.sierrawestscalemodels.com/gallery-2.html

http://www.sierrawestscalemodels.com/gallery.html
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on July 31, 2016, 02:07:09 PM
Those buildings look great, Steve.  I'd suggest trying mounting the antenna under the fixture height.  About 7 feet should be good.  Just stick it on a 2 x 4 in the center of the layout to see if it works.  Antenna mounting used to be a big issue with the "old" radio system.   With the newest one, it's not "supposed" to be an issue.   But we know how that works.   :D


Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 31, 2016, 05:17:26 PM
Jeff,

Thanks for your help on this.  Your help is very appreciated.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on July 31, 2016, 05:44:51 PM
Steve,

I'm just getting caught up on the thread. Fantastic job on the layout and the structures are beautiful.

If you have to drink Coke, then let it be so! :'( :'( :'(


Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on July 31, 2016, 10:54:13 PM
Thanks for stopping by Tom.  It is my wife who drinks the diet coke. I may have just one per day at lunch.  She has the feelings about Pepsi that you have about Coke.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 04, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-300716211723.jpeg)

This is the full size drawing of the sawmill area I started out with the other day.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-040816195325.jpeg)

this is the bench work to support the sawmill area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-040816195843.jpeg)

This is the sheet of plywood that I cut out from the full size drawing where the dioramas go.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-040816195613.jpeg)

This is a picture of the dioramas in place.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-040816195531.jpeg)

Another picture of the dioramas in place.  The circular cut out in the lower part of the picture is where a turntable is going.





Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on August 04, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
Wow , that looks like a very solid base , great to see how you put it together.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 05, 2016, 04:15:40 PM
I am glad you liked it Jan.  Hope it helps you sometime in the future.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on August 06, 2016, 07:03:09 PM
Awesome Job on the layout Steve. Progress is looking wonderful. Looking forward to seeing it in November after the meet. Like the plywood cutouts with the module inserts. Great idea. Keep posting because we love pics.

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 06, 2016, 10:42:25 PM
Thanks Frank.  I have a problem with the sawmill.  I don't have enough clearance underneath for a train to pass.  the base of the diorama is made up of 1/2" gatorboard and 1" to 1-1/2" of pink foam.  As it is, I had to raise the area 1".  Cannot go any higher due to grades.  Oh well, something to fuss about.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on August 07, 2016, 12:49:44 PM
Steve,

Wonderful looking structures on the wonderful looking layout. It is coming together very well. Thanks for sure for sharing.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 07, 2016, 11:27:46 PM
Thanks Tom.  I hope it looks as well as yours when I get the scenery in place.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: postalkarl on August 08, 2016, 07:36:45 AM
HI Steve:

That should be a really cool section of the layout when its finsihed. Very nice dioramas. I really like the one on the bottom right. Who's kit is that? Anyway keep the great photos coming.

Thanks for sharing.

Karl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 08, 2016, 12:15:57 PM
Hi Karl,

Thanks for the compliment.  The 3 diorama's at the bottom of the page are Sierra West Scale models and the sawmill at the top of the page is scratch built.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on August 08, 2016, 12:48:39 PM
Thanks Tom.  I hope it looks as well as yours when I get the scenery in place.


Steve,

With the scenery I see on your dioramas, you have no worries.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ger deguelle on August 08, 2016, 12:49:53 PM
Very nice
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 09, 2016, 12:30:16 PM
ger deguelle

Thanks for the compliment coming from across the pond. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ReadingBob on August 09, 2016, 01:10:05 PM
Steve,

The layout is really taking shape and looks terrific so far.  Wonderful job!  Now pass me one of those Diet Coke's please.   :D

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 09, 2016, 06:21:20 PM
Hi Bob,

Just for saying nice things about my layout, I will ask my wife if I can pass along one of her diet cokes to you.

Thanks for the compliment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 18, 2016, 11:04:54 PM
This set of pictures replaces those lost in the server crash.

I am starting the track sub roadbed in the logging area and mining area.  I have laid out the beginning of the spline where the tracks come down from the logging operation past the mine as shown in the circled area on the sketch.  The difficult part of this are the tracks coming from two different areas, one on a down slope and the other on an up slope and meeting up at the three way wye at the top of the circle.  It worked out well from the plans with very little final adjustment.

Now I have to layout where the tracks come in from the mine to the 3 way wye.  I can then finish the spline roadbed in this area.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 27, 2016, 05:33:50 PM
Ok, I have finished the sub roadbed in the logging and mining area of the layout.  I did it with the spline roadbed.  The smallest radius is 18" and I did not have any of the splines beak when installing them.  I did not have to soak any in water either. As I mentioned before, I used Poplar for the splines, 1/4" x 3/4".  The area of the spline roadbed does not have any level areas.  It is either an up grade or downgrade having to meet at the turnouts. 

What helped me lay out where the risers should go, I did an as built of the joists in the 3rd Planit CAD program after I had built the initial bench work.  I printed a drawing with the track plan layer and the bench work layer and then I was able to scale from the drawing where the risers should be.  Also the software is capable of giving you the elevation of the track at the location of each riser.  There were some minor adjustments when actually building the roadbed. 

I have also attached another picture of the saw mill area to give you an idea of what the whole logging and sawmill area actually looks like.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on August 27, 2016, 06:30:46 PM
Your benchwork looks great , I think you work very opposite to what I do, I just build some benchwork then lay some track without actually keeping to my trackplan and then search if I have structures that will fit into the scenes. If I'm not mistaken you have the trackplan with all the structures exactly where they will go, am I right?

Wonder what most people here do , make a trackplan and stick to it or kinda wing it like I do.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 27, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
Hi Jan,

Your correct in that I have a plan where all the structures will go.  If you look at the beginning of this post you will see my plan.  But that is not to say that I am not making changes as I go along.  In this area, I have it pretty well fixed in my mind that this is the way I want it.  But there are other areas that I am going to change.  Guys that I have had over to see the layout have told me I should have a staging area.  And since it is a short line RR, I do not need the big yard that I had planned.  So I am going to delete some of it and add some more switching opportunities.

I am a Civil Engineer so I need a plan.  But that is not to say I can't make revisions as I go.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on August 27, 2016, 07:17:49 PM
Steve,

 I remember now you said you were going to use spline roadbed. It does look like spline and very well done at that. Fantastic job on the layout. All thumbs up from here.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ger deguelle on August 28, 2016, 04:00:27 AM
great work
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Twist67 on August 28, 2016, 05:39:59 AM
Hi there,

Great looking benchwork. NIce work.

Regards,Chris
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 28, 2016, 12:54:33 PM
Thanks Tom for your nice comments on the layout.  I liked the way the spline sub roadbed came out with the easements, horizontal curves and vertical curves.  I would do it again in a heart beat.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 28, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
Thanks Ger and Chris for you nice comments from across the pond.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Cuse on August 28, 2016, 07:18:17 PM
Very nice work Steve! I love beautiful benchwork  :)


John
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 28, 2016, 10:42:49 PM
Thanks for stopping by John.  I appreciate your nice comment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: postalkarl on August 29, 2016, 10:51:47 AM
Hi Steve:

Looks great so far. Keep the photos coming.

Karl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on August 29, 2016, 12:24:48 PM
Thanks Karl for stopping by.  Appreciate your comment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 09, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Not much happening on the construction of the new layout recently.  Waiting for turnouts for the logging, mining and sawmill area.  I am going to a new source.  I then am going to take a look at redesigning the upper area where the large yard was to go.  Some operations friends have talked  me  into providing more switching opportunities and a staging track.  So back to the drawing board.  In the mean time, I have been learning to use the NCE power pro and JMRI computer programs.  Getting to old for this new computer stuff.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on September 09, 2016, 07:19:54 PM
Steve, I always use my yard for staging, some folks don't like it this way but it works for me and you don't need a special staging area.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 09, 2016, 07:46:00 PM
thanks for your thoughts on this Andy.  That was my original thought, but if I reduce the size of my yard, I can add more industries for switching.  I am still thinking about this.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on September 26, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
Steve:

I just read your entire thread. Great bench work. Have fun with it. :)

Stay cool and run steam..... 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 26, 2016, 07:23:54 PM
Thanks for the visit Bob. There has not been much building action lately.  I had to change my supplier for turnouts.  T he first guy was a flake.  So I found a new source. I hope he turns out OK.  I also have redesigned the part of the layout where the large yard was.  I think now that there are more switching opportunities and more interesting track design.  I will post my new design shortly.  I am currently on vacationinSan Carlos, Sonora Mexico. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on September 27, 2016, 08:18:39 AM
Steve


Your layout is coming along great.  First class workmanship. I will be following along.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 28, 2016, 12:24:54 PM
Thanks John.  I wish it was coming along faster.  Hurry up and wait.  There is an division meet in November. So when I get home, I need to get ready for the associated contest.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on October 01, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
I have revised my track plan as mentioned before.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-011016181912.jpeg)
This is the original track plan for the main yard.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-011016182020.jpeg)
This is the revised plan for the same area.  It will allow more switching opportunities and provide a more interesting track plan.  This will be the interchange for the Suphrin Pathetik RR and the Southern Pacific.  Since this is a short line railroad, I do not need all the yard in the first drawing.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-011016182122.jpeg)
This is the revised plan with the staging area in the heavy lines.  The staging area is hidden under the upper area and will be easily accessible.  I am showing the staging tracks separately to cause less confusion with what I am trying to do in the old yard area.  The trains will interchange on the upper area and the Southern Pacific will go down the helix and held into the staging area until time to remerge. 

So even if you thought you had the best thought out plan and had drawings for it, Once you get started with construction you change your thoughts and make the appropriate changes and drawings.
 


Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 20, 2016, 06:23:49 PM
Ok, I finally received the remainder of the turnouts for my railroad.  This batch was custom made by Oak Hill Track and Supply.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116180912.jpeg)
Double Crossing

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116181037.jpeg)
3 Way Turnout

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116181202.jpeg)
No. 4 turnouts



Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 20, 2016, 06:36:59 PM
Now I can get back to track work.  I am prefabricating the staging area that I am adding to the layout.  This is because it will be under the upper yard and industrial area.  So I had a full size print of the staging track made to use as a template for the sub road bed.  I took the following steps.

1) Placing Template
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116180310.jpeg)

2) Carbon Paper
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116180404.jpeg)

3) Using pin wheel to transfer template to plywood sub roadbed
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116180519.jpeg)

4) Results of use of pin wheel
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-201116180759.jpeg)

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on November 20, 2016, 09:30:38 PM
Looking good Steve. Have fun with it. :) 8)

Stay cool and run steam...... 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 21, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
Thanks for stopping by and the encouragement Bob.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on November 21, 2016, 02:20:13 PM
Steve,

The layout is coming along really well. I love the turnouts you had built.

Carbon paper, who would have thunk (sic) it.

Great job.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on November 21, 2016, 04:47:17 PM
Glad to see you are on the move again Steve.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: tct855 on November 21, 2016, 04:53:28 PM
Steve,
            Fantastic work, really great and actually very entertaining and informative build. Keep working/inspiring.  I'm all eyes!  Thanx Thom...
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Mkrailway on November 21, 2016, 08:25:00 PM
I love watching others building a working layout. Keep it going.

Marty
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 22, 2016, 11:48:57 AM
Hi Tom,

Thanks for stopping by.  Yes you can still find carbon paper in the stationary stores.  Some of us still know there is such a thing.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 22, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
Hi Andy,

Glad to be able to continue laying track.  Glad you are following along.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 22, 2016, 11:52:53 AM
Hi Thom,

Glad I can be entertaining and informative.  I am happy to be laying track again.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 22, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
Glad you like following along Marty.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 22, 2016, 08:39:30 PM
I cut out the sub roadbed for the staging track and I have tried place it where it is to go under the upper deck.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on December 08, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
Nice progress Steve. :) 8)

Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 08, 2016, 10:15:08 PM
So this is the prefabbed staging yard.  I have installed the track, roadbed, switches that are going to be hidden and the feeder wires.

The tricky thing is going to tie the two ends to the existing main line.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 08, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
Hi Bob,

Thanks for taking a look at my progress. I have a lot of track work to do now.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Cuse on December 09, 2016, 06:19:11 AM
I don't comment much, but I'm enjoying this thread. It's a benchwork clinic. Nice work!


John
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 09, 2016, 12:46:11 PM
Hi John,

Glad you like the thread.  Hope it helps you and everybody else.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 13, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Attached are the pictures of the staging area in place except for the wiring which I will finish up tomorrow.  Thanks to John Siekirk for the idea to prefab this.  He posted on his site a while back about, prefabbing some roadbed and track inside one of his mountains.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Rail and Tie on December 13, 2016, 09:27:39 PM
Attached are the pictures of the staging area in place except for the wiring which I will finish up tomorrow.  Thanks to John Siekirk for the idea to prefab this.  He posted on his site a while back about,  prefabbing   some roadbed and track inside one of his nountains.

Pre-fab and then install?!! Why would you ever want to do something that smart and simple! I would rather struggle for days trying to reach and pull wire and track and not be able to see what I am doing... Just kidding of course!  That is an excellent idea and looks like it make for a much more simplified installation. I have to squirrel this away for the time when I need it.

Thanks for posting your progress, very helpful.

Darryl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 15, 2016, 11:17:06 AM
Hi Darryl,


It is one of those things you might not think about at the time. And then when you get done, you say to yourself, why didn't I prefab it.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: GPdemayo on December 21, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Steve,

The angle of the FSM 2 stall engine house appears to be about 15 deg. See the photo below.

If you have any questions, give me a call at 407-834-2183.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/27-211216153315-188511991.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/27-211216153315-188511991.jpeg)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 27, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
In my last posting, I had permanently installed the staging tracks.  But when it came to do the electrical wiring I ran into problems with shorts.  The fellow who made my turnouts did not do a thorough job in cutting the copper foil on the pc board ties.  As you can imagine, access was a problem in trying to find what was causing the short.  I finally have it all worked out tonight.

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on December 28, 2016, 02:58:27 PM
Attached are the pictures of the staging area in place except for the wiring which I will finish up tomorrow.  Thanks to John Siekirk for the idea to prefab this.  He posted on his site a while back about, prefabbing some roadbed and track inside one of his mountains.


Steve


I'm glad you tried it.  It sure has been saving my back with my inside the mountain track work.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 28, 2016, 05:14:39 PM
John,

There would not been any other way to do this in this situation. Thanks again.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 31, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
I have been laying track on the upper level.

There will be a turntable and roundhouse at the top of the picture. At the bottom of the picture will be the depot.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-311216185618.jpeg)

The double crossing.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-311216185718.jpeg)

A view from the Roundhouse End.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-311216185906.jpeg)

Nothing is fastened down yet.  I made templates of the switches and double crossing and taped them in place where they should go.  I had an error in my plan. so there was a lot of trial and error in trying to get everything to fit.  Nothing beats a good plan. 

So Frank/Erieman, if you see a few kinks, they will be taken out when the track in fastened in place.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 02, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
The track on the upper deck is now fastened in place.  I have been using latex caulk to glue it down.  The elevation of the track in the yard and industrial area is on a different elevation than the main line track.  I sanded the cork roadbed under the switches on each end of the yard.  At the end with the roundhouse, there are several more sidings to put in place, but I will wait until I get the turntable installed and see what industries I will place at that end.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jbvb on January 12, 2017, 10:54:16 PM
Errors that turn up early are almost always easy to fix.  Good luck with it!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 15, 2017, 01:50:53 PM
Here are the latest pictures on my track laying progress.  These photo's are in the mine area and the logging area.  The mine will be on the left side where the two short spurs are located.  The logging area will be to the far right where the logging spurs are at two different elevations.   
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on January 15, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
Love your work plan Steve, wish I could do it like you, benchwork first then lay all the track and then probably you will start scenery. I don't even know what my next 2 meters of track will look like , doing one scene at a time.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on January 15, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Sure going to be a lot of track Steve.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 15, 2017, 06:26:42 PM
Hi Jan,

I am a Civil Engineer by profession.  So I need a plan before I do anything.  There were changes as I went along as I had further input from friends after I started.  But everybody has their own way of doing things and different interest.  That is what makes this such a great hobby.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 15, 2017, 06:27:56 PM
Hi Andy,

I need lots of tracks to run trains. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on January 20, 2017, 11:04:24 AM
Impressive bench work and track work.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on January 20, 2017, 02:31:27 PM
Looking good Steve. :) 8)

Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 20, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
Thanks Bob and Phil for the nice compliments.  Very much appreciated.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Twopoint2 on January 21, 2017, 09:17:26 AM
Steve nice job on the track work so far.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 21, 2017, 12:35:07 PM
Thanks Jim
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 22, 2017, 09:54:20 PM
Here are some progress photo's on the track laying.  The first picture is the track from the main line to the sawmill area with 3ea 24"-18" radius No. 6 Turnouts.

The second picture is the sawmill area with the main street commercial area, the engine service facilities and the sawmill.  I am using No. 4 turnouts in this area. Just behind the engine service facilities will be a gallows turntable.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on January 23, 2017, 10:22:07 AM
Steve,  I really enjoy watching the progress of your layout.  Great use of Sierra West kits.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 23, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
Hi Phil,

Thanks for stopping by.  I am watching your progress on that other site.  I took the Sierra West Main Street diorama and cut it on my table saw down the middle to split it up.  The sawmill is a scratch built project.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on January 23, 2017, 04:24:44 PM
Steve, I wish my bench work was as good as yours.  However, it is serving me well.  I really like your scratch built sawmill.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 24, 2017, 08:18:21 PM
This is what the track work will look like in the sawmill area.  Only the switches are glued down yet. The turntable will be where the whole is located.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 24, 2017, 08:22:02 PM
Hi Phil,

You bench work looks very good for your plan.  You don't need anything else.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on January 25, 2017, 12:40:04 PM
Thanks Steve.  That means a lot coming from you.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on January 25, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
STeve:

The track work is coming along nicely. Reminds of the time I spent in HO scale (over 35 years before going into N scale) hand building and laying track.

Stay cool and run steam..... 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on January 25, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Phil


I stopped by to check on your progress.  You are moving right along - very nice work.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on January 26, 2017, 11:38:21 AM
Thanks John.  You and Steve have been my inspiration.  Like you, I'm right in the middle of feeder wires, suitcase connectors, and tortoise switch machines.  Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 27, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
Attached are recent photo's of the track work in the sawmill area.  I finally have the sawmill elevation where I like it.  If you remember, in an earlier post I mentioned that I had a clearance problem under the sawmill.  The sawmill diorama is built on 1/2" gator board and 2" to 3" pink foam.  So I added a 1/2' of cork to the base of the whole sawmill area.  I also used a router to cut the gator board to add another 1/2" of clearance for an overall change of 1".  I built the sawmill before I had the plan for the layout.  There is more short pieces of track to add to the area, but I have to wait until the buildings are in their final resting place.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on January 27, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
You're moving right along Steve. Nice going. 8) :)

Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 28, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
I recently purchased the new Walthers 90' turntable.  The supplier shipped me the 110' turntable by mistake so instead and I had to have them ship the 90' and then I returned the 110'.

Any way, it is all plastic as expected so I need to paint and weather it.  The bridge comes with code 83 rail.  I was able to unsolder the leads and am going to install code 70 rail to match that on my layout.  The bridge girders are a shiny very dark gray.   
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on January 28, 2017, 10:37:51 PM
Have fun putting that turntable together Steve.  :) I did one in N scale years ago.

Stay cool and run steam...... 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 15, 2017, 01:12:11 PM
Attached are my final photo's of the turntable.  I painted the pit using a airbrush, and hand painted the rail and ties.  The instructions said not to and also not to paint the gear around the perimeter of the pit, but I did anyway without any problems.

On the bridge, I painted the steel girders first with a coat of Polyscale Rust, then with Vallejo Chipping Medium, and a coat of dark grey.  I then scrubbed off some of the dark grey to expose the rust.  The deck I painted railroad tie brown.  I then used some pastels to add more weathering.

To the pit floor, I applied and Alcohol India ink solution.  I applied some pastels to the pit walls.  Still have some more to do.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on February 15, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
The turntable weathering looks great Steve. :) 8)

Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 15, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
Very nicely done.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on February 15, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Looking very good and realistic.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on February 15, 2017, 11:59:56 PM
Coming along nicely Steve.  keep up great build.

Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 16, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
Thanks for the nice remarks and encouragement Bob, curt, Jan and Frank.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on February 16, 2017, 06:29:44 PM
Steve,

Great job on the turntable and weathering.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 16, 2017, 09:27:33 PM
Thanks Tom.  Appreciate the comment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on February 17, 2017, 10:03:41 AM
Steve,


Great progress on the layout. How much is now running? Oops, I forgot, you probably are waitng for the switch machines, Keep posting.


Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: GPdemayo on February 17, 2017, 02:01:16 PM
Steve.....that "nasty" turntable & pit will look great in the scene when it is finished. 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 18, 2017, 06:39:03 PM
Hi Greg,

Glad you liked the grungy turntable.  Thanks for you nice comment.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on February 18, 2017, 09:05:05 PM
Turntables are SUPPOSED to be grungy...!!

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 19, 2017, 12:43:21 PM
I know, the more grunge the better
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 20, 2017, 10:24:05 PM
The track work is 98% complete on the SP Railroad.  There are a couple of spurs that still need to be installed when I know which structures are going in.  Attached are recent photo's of the nearly completed track.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on February 21, 2017, 03:13:33 AM
Great looking benchwork Steve, can't wait to see your scenery work once you've had your  Golden Spike ceremony.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 21, 2017, 10:23:31 AM
Very nicely done.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on February 21, 2017, 03:07:08 PM
Very nice track work Steve. :) 8)

Stay cool and run steam......... 8) 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 21, 2017, 07:03:48 PM
Thanks Jan, Curt and Bob for stopping by,  Enjoy your comments.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ak-milw on February 21, 2017, 07:07:16 PM
Nice clean job Steve.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on February 22, 2017, 12:08:25 PM
You do NICE work steve!!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on February 22, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
 Andy and Donato,

I appreciate your nice comments.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 18, 2017, 11:56:17 PM
I am making progress on my layout this week.  My sister and her husband is visiting us for the week and she is an artist.  So she is painting my backdrop this week.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on April 19, 2017, 07:51:21 AM
Wow!  She IS an artist!  That's going to look fantastic when you get the scenery in.

Jeff 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: deemery on April 19, 2017, 08:22:10 AM
Having an artist in the family can be very handy for a model railroader (I often drag my wife downstairs and ask her to mix up some paint to match a color I already have.)


dave
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 19, 2017, 10:02:55 AM
That looks fantastic.  You are lucky to have an artist in the family.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: KCS Trains on April 19, 2017, 11:19:13 AM
Wow Steve.  It must be nice to have a great artist in the family.  It really looks good.

Phil
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 19, 2017, 08:18:37 PM
It is great to have the artist in the family.  To bad she lives in Sacramento.  She will probably have to come back and finish it sometime in the future.  Her husband offered to send her back so he could have a vacation.  It is turning out very nicely.  I will post pictures later on this week of the progress made so far.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: postalkarl on April 20, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
Hi Steve:

She's doing a wonderful job. I really like it.

Karl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 20, 2017, 06:53:58 PM
My sister has completed this portion of the backdrop.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 20, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
thanks Karl, I pass you comments along to her.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 20, 2017, 07:29:25 PM
She is doing a great job.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: tct855 on April 20, 2017, 07:35:31 PM
Steve,
             wow!!! what an fantastic painted backdrop.  Nice nice talent to be able to paint like that.  Thanx Thom...
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: jerryrbeach on April 21, 2017, 08:42:37 AM
Steve,
I'm with everyone else on this, that backdrop painting is just beautiful.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 09:12:35 AM
Steve


The backdrop looks great!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on April 21, 2017, 12:28:50 PM
I will pass the ovations on to her.  Thanks Curt, Thom, Jerry and John. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on April 21, 2017, 01:31:21 PM
Steve,

Add my name to the passing on list. She is very talented and the backdrop looks very natural.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 23, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
After spending several months on constructing the Shelby's Marine Service diorama, it is time to get back to the layout construction and the installation of Tortoise Switch Machines.  I made the decision to use Tortoise machines on all my switches and no hand throw machines because I did not want to reach over anything on the layout to throw a switch and every switch would have a toggle switch on a control panel so everything is consistent about controlling switches and not have some this way and some that way etc.  It make things to confusing for operations.

So here we go on my method for installing the Tortoise machines.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917220647.jpeg)
Before the switch was installed on the layout, a 1/4" hole was drilled through the roadbed for the spring wire.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917220225.jpeg)
I then drilled 1/16" holes through the table top at the each end of the throw bar so I could line up a template underneath the table top.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917220304.jpeg)
I then connected the line between the two holes locating the throw bar above.  I then used this line to locate where a template should be pasted in place in relation to the throw bar and the hole for the spring wire. 

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917220345.jpeg)
I then slipped the machine in place and held it with a pair of pliers clinching the spring wire while I drilled holes underneath to hold the switch machine in place and secure it.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917220731.jpeg)
At my work bench, I assembled the wires to an edge connector.  The orange and brown wires on the outside of the connector are for the toggle switches.  The red and white wires goes to the tracks and the black wire to the frog.  I installed T-Taps on the ends of the wires here so I would not have to do any overhead soldering.  I installed Quick Slide Connectors on the installed wires under the table.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917220835.jpeg)
This is the completed installation of a Tortoise Switch machine on my layout.  Only 49 more to go.










Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: MAP on September 24, 2017, 06:37:40 AM
Your layout is really coming along nicely Steve.  The backdrop your sister drew is beautiful and really works with the layout.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on September 24, 2017, 07:56:37 AM
Steve,

I'm sure it feels good to get back to the layout. Everything we do on the layout goes to the big picture of getting it finished.

Nice easy way to install the Tortoise with no soldering.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on September 24, 2017, 09:23:19 AM
Clever way to install the tortii.  I'm stealing that for sure.   8)


Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 24, 2017, 10:37:29 AM
Great ingenuity with the the tortoises. I feel your pain having 49 more to do.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on September 24, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
Steve,


Nice job. Where did you get the drilling template? Did this come with the Tortoise? Did you make it? That is a sweet idea. Have not seen that before. Inquiring minds want to know.


Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 24, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
The template comes with each switch machine, or you can copy it and cut it out.  I believe it was two years ago there was a clinic on the installation of tortoise switch at the Arizona Division meeting in Tucson.  This was his method for installing them.  This really made it easy.  There is some soldering Tom, but it is done at the work bench when the leads are soldered to the edge connector.  But you do not have to do any soldering overhead under the layout if you use the connectors shown.  This is my least favorite part of building the railroad.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on September 25, 2017, 07:37:27 PM
The template comes with each switch machine, or you can copy it and cut it out.  I believe it was two years ago there was a clinic on the installation of tortoise switch at the Arizona Division meeting in Tucson.  This was his method for installing them.  This really made it easy.  There is some soldering Tom, but it is done at the work bench when the leads are soldered to the edge connector.  But you do not have to do any soldering overhead under the layout if you use the connectors shown.  This is my least favorite part of building the railroad.


The template must be something new. I have boxes of 10 and nothing like this is included. Could you make me a copy? Ill pick it up in November. Thanks. Got all your switch machines in yet?


Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Erieman on September 25, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Steve,


Thanks for the email of the mounting pattern. I still have several more tortoise machines to install and this is great. Thanks again.


Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on September 26, 2017, 08:16:40 AM
Steve, is the throwbar for the turnout plastic?  Are the rails simply glued to it?


Jeff
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: postalkarl on September 26, 2017, 10:50:09 AM
Hi Steve:

Looks like fun. Better you than me. Nice work.

Karl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 26, 2017, 12:59:37 PM
The throw bar is not plastic, it some kind of fiberglass board material.  The rails are not glued to it,
but the guy who made the switches cut the bottom flanges at the end of the points, bent them down and inserted them in the throw bar so there is some swivel in them.

Hey Karl, you can come to Arizona this winter when you are deep in snow and freezing your but off and help me with the switch machines.

Frank, your welcome,
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 26, 2017, 02:27:18 PM
Sounds like a great deal Karl! :o
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 28, 2017, 02:39:20 PM
There are a couple of things that I want to add to my installation of Tortoise Machines.

To help line up the template and draw the line where the tie bar is located, I inserted a drill at each end of the tie bar after the holes were drilled, I lined up a straight edge with the drills and drew my line.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917142807.jpeg)

For the spring wire, I went to a .037 wire as recommended by Fast Tracks.  I gives a little more tension to throw the points.

I had a couple of areas where a support was in the way  for a standard installation, so this is what I did.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917221039.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-230917221227.jpeg)



Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Janbouli on September 28, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
Great solution , thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on September 28, 2017, 03:04:04 PM
Now to my Control Panel,

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917142412.jpeg)

For a control panel I used a picture frame that I bought from Michaels.  I built a box and used small hinges to attach the frame to the box.  I drew the track diagram with 3rd Planit and mounted it to the glass with double sided scotch tape.

This diagram is a temporary one, and I plan to redo it to make it better looking.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917141851.jpeg)

I am using the Barrett Hill  Green over Green Touch Toggles.  I attached the touch toggles to the back of the track diagram with a 3M double-sided sheet of adhesive.  I cut the adhesive sheet into 3/4" squares to attach the toggles.  The product number is 3M 9474LE (300LSE). You can get it on Amazon.  I tried the double sided scotch tape and transfer tape and they do not work.  This seems to work very well.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917141954.jpeg)

The base units were mounted on the back of the box and the tough toggles plug into it on the bottom.  I then ran 20 gage wires to each switch machine.  They were fastened to the  edge connector, one on each end. 

This was a very simple installation and went fairly fast.

Here are a couple of more pictures.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917142056.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917142153.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-280917142322.jpeg)









 

 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on October 16, 2017, 11:09:14 PM
I have completed the installation 27 switch machines out of 50 needed for the layout.  I completed three machines today with the tortoise remote mount.  This solved my clearance problem where the main yard is directly above the staging yard.

The procedure is started by inserting a 1/16" brass tube through the roadbed and base.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223245.jpeg)

Next, the throw bar is measured and fitted.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223329.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223545.jpeg)

The throw bar is bent at 90 degrees on the underside of the layout and the actuator lever arm is fitted over it.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223638.jpeg)

And the mounting plate is installed

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223748.jpeg)

The switch machine is mounted to its base plate and the  drive mechanism installed.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223843.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017223925.jpeg)

This assembly is mounted where there is sufficient clearance and a wire is installed in a Teflon tube connected to the drive mechanism arm and the actuator lever arm.  It is the faint line running in the picture.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/245-161017224037.jpeg)





Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on October 18, 2017, 03:19:04 PM
Steve,

Just getting caught up on your thread. You've been very busy and it looks great. I love the close up of the turnouts and thanks for posting the process of the turnout controls.

Well done.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on October 19, 2017, 12:12:42 PM
Very informative and instructional....thank you!!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on October 19, 2017, 12:46:07 PM
Thanks, I am glad I could be helpful to you guys.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2017, 10:58:55 PM
Steve


Great update to your thread. I invested in the Barrett Hill switches  for my control panels and seeing your installation will really help when I start installing mine. Your layout is really coming along nicely.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: MAP on October 20, 2017, 05:47:56 AM
Lots of great information Steve.  Thanks for all of the in-process pics and how-to.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on October 23, 2017, 11:46:15 PM
Here are some more pictures of one of my control panels.  For a non electrician, this is the only way to go. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 24, 2017, 09:53:44 AM
Looks great and simpler than using DPDT switches and the associated million wires.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 07, 2017, 09:20:42 PM
Just an update on what is going on with the layout.  After I installed the first 25 switch machines
I had a problem with a short in one of my power district. I couldn't find it for about a week.  Well, today, I found it and what it was several pc board ties on a switch where the copper foil was not cut.  What was really baffling, was that I had been running trains over this switch before the I had installed any switch machine.  So a few more electrical items to take care of before an open house this Saturday.

Also my sister was here last week.  She did some more work on the backdrop.  So it is coming along nicely.  No pictures yet, as the area she is painting now is still a work in progress.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: LongHornCaddy on November 09, 2017, 02:07:54 AM
Nice work!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: postalkarl on November 09, 2017, 07:51:53 AM
Hi Steve:

Looks like you are having lots of fun. I'd be lost with all that electronic work.

Karl
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on November 09, 2017, 11:32:40 AM
Karl,

I am also lost with all that electronic work.  That's is why I am having a lot of frustration.  Just ask my wife, she can here my cussing in the house while I am in the garage working on the railroad.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 14, 2017, 09:02:16 PM
Sorry I don't have a bunch of pictures to post, unless you like switch machines and wiring.  I have completed the installation of about 40 tortoise switch machines and 3 control panels and an auto reverser for a double crossing and I don't know how many feet of wire.  I still have 10 switch machines to go and one control panel at the sawmill area.  Can't complain tonight and there are no shorts.  Everything works perfect. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 27, 2017, 08:35:03 PM
I have been finishing the track work in the sawmill area.  In order to achieve this, I had to permanently install several of my Sierra West Scale project dioramas which contain track.  The Main Street and the Loco Service Facility.  I have been installing the switch machines, bus wire and the feeder wires. 
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: GPdemayo on December 28, 2017, 08:19:23 AM
The dios look good on the layout Steve..... 8)
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 28, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
They look very nice with the laid track.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 28, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
Thanks Greg and Curt for you compliment.  I should finish up the major electrical portion of layout in several weeks.  That will be a relief.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: S&S RR on December 28, 2017, 01:33:44 PM
Steve


That is going to be a great looking scene. Your builds are going to look even better with scenery around them. Fantastic work!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: EricQuebec on December 28, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
Steve


That is going to be a great looking scene. Your builds are going to look even better with scenery around them. Fantastic work!

Yes indeed, but your pictures are too small to appreciate all your effort on this 2 dio...
Eric QUebec city
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on December 28, 2017, 10:05:34 PM
Eric, c lick on the picture and it will get larger.  Thanks for you comments everyone.


Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: EricQuebec on December 29, 2017, 08:03:42 AM
Eric, c lick on the picture and it will get larger.  Thanks for you comments everyone.
Yes I Know :) I was talking about this  picture size :)
Eric QUebec city

Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 12, 2018, 11:59:07 AM
Here are another couple of pictures of the sawmill area.  I just finished the electrical work in this area and the installation of the tortoise switch machines and also the control panel.  This is the end of the major electrical work for the layout.  Now it is time to build more structures and scenery and get the backdrop finished.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: PRR Modeler on January 12, 2018, 12:21:16 PM
Looks very interesting.
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: ACL1504 on January 12, 2018, 12:33:42 PM
Steve,

Don't know how I missed the last update but WOW. It looks fantastic my friend. The structures are blue ribbon and the placement just seems natural.

Very well done sir.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: Donato on January 12, 2018, 03:44:57 PM
Looking GOOD Steve...!!
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: sdrees on January 12, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
Thanks for the nice comments.  This afternoon I spent my time running a train to check out how the train went across the switches and what may cause derailments. So I had to do some tweeking of some of the switches and I have some more to check.   
Title: Re: SP RR
Post by: tct855 on January 12, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
Steve,
         Man! what an incredible build thread brother.  I'm invested in your pictorial progressing with lots of really cool tricks and techniques here.  Keep building and filming brother.  I'm getting another bowl of popcorn for the next series of posts.  Thanx Thom...
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