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Title: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 25, 2017, 10:03:31 PM
I locked my original build thread tonight because of the file corruption problems we have been experiencing. Please see the locked thread entitled Superior & Seattle Railroad Build for the previous 2 - 3 years of build history. I will be continuing the story of this build in the coming days.


Link to Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 1)


http://modelersforum.com/layout-tours/superior-seattle-railroad-build/msg65180/?topicseen#new
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on February 26, 2017, 08:24:43 AM
John,

I know that by locking a thread keeps it from being active so no additional posts can be made; however, do we even know if this "lock down" protects it from any future "back-up file corruption"?

Tom
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:30:19 AM
John,

I know that by locking a thread keeps it from being active so no additional posts can be made; however, do we even know if this "lock down" protects it from any future "back-up file corruption"?

Tom




Hi Tom


Sorry about this file corruption issue and the devastating affect it has had on your thread.  All locking does, as far as I know, is keep people from posting on the thread.  This would have only helped in your case if the problem with your thread was caused by you hitting some maximum number like; posts, pages, characters, or something else that caused a software bug to corrupt your thread. Since you had more pages that I did when this happened I thought it was time for me to start volume 2.  I will be backing up my threads to my own computer now so I don't loose them.  This would not help the forum because I don't know how to restore them back to the server. I will call you this afternoon and walk you through doing the personal backup.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
I had a long talk with Tom ACL1504 about this forum and the value of continuing to post on a build thread, this afternoon.  As you probably know, Tom has one of the best build threads on this forum (probably any forum) and due to a computer and backup malfunction lost most of the pages of his thread, yesterday.  This event had a number of us wondering if continuing to spend all the time required to keep up our threads on the forum was a good use of our time.


I thought I would share a few of the reasons I post on a build thread  before moving on to Volume 2 of my build thread. 


1) Through this forum and communicating about our common hobby I have met some great friends.


2) The forum allows me to share my hobby with people that have the same interest in fine scale modeling.


3) The tips I get from other modelers threads are extremely valuable in becoming a better modeler. Many times these tips come as a result of one of my posts in the forum of a personal email or message.  You may want to try this! 


4) I try to post the things I wish I had read about on a build thread when I was starting my first layout.  Maybe, someone will find something that will help them with their build.

5) This build thread serves as a historic record of the building of my layout.  I can go back and look at which techniques I used for a particular area or structure.  If you haven't got to that point - you will. I find this very useful and is why an event like what happened to Tom is particularly devastating. 


On this issue there is a solution for your personal use.  Periodically go in to your thread and copy the pages.  I have files that are backed up on my home server and on the iCloud of every page of every thread I have on this and other forums. Yes I have my threads from the "old forum".  All you have to do with an MACBook  is bring the page up in Safari and go to file and then - save as - web archive. I save the files in a directory with forum backups for each thread.   When you call up this file it looks just like it does on the forum - even if you are not connected to the internet.  If you are on the internet it will take you to the page on the forum which is active.


So I have been working on the layout the last few days and it's time to show what I have been doing.  Welcome to the S&S Railroad (Volume 2). 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:12:29 PM



Index to Volume 1 of the  Superior & Seattle Railroad Build Thread

Index to the thread Updated 3/21/17. 



                          INDEX


Page 1   Changing forums - the benchwork
Page 2   Overview and Status in March of 2014
Page 3   A look back at the Benchwork and Paster work on the mountains,
             Painting the Plaster work
             The Photo Back Drops
             Making Aspen Trees
Page 4    Making Pine Trees
              Preparing the Talus Materials
Page 5    Prototype Photographs
Page 6    Prototype Photographs
              Control Panel
Page 7    Layout Diagram "original plan"
              Roundhouse Photographs
              The Stone Roundhouse Build - start
Page 8    Stone Roundhouse Build - the walls
Page 9    Stone Roundhouse Build - the Roof
Page 10  Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting
Page 11  Laying more track
             Planning the town of Sellios
Page 12  Testing track
Page 13  First Runs - lower track
Page 14  Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Page 15  Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Page 16  Track work in Sellios
Page 17  Planning Structure Placement - Sellios
Page 18  Logo for the Superior & Seattle Railroad
Page 19  Cedar Shingle Pine Tree armatures
              Modeling in the Summer
Page 20  Roofing on the Stone Roundhouse
Page 21  Doors on the Stone Roundhouse
Page 22  More plaster work
Page 23  Installing the DCC System
Page 24  DCC System Discussion
Page 25  DCC System Installation
Page 26  DCC System Installation
Page 27  More track installation
Page 28  Track Testing
Page 29  Door production for the Stone Roundhouse
Page 30  Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 31  Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 32  Changes - moving mountains
Page 33  Adding some talus materials
Page 34  Stone Roundhouse Build - Tar Paper Roof
Page 35  Stone Roundhouse Build - Doors, Windows, Trim
Page 36  Planting Aspen Trees,
             prototype pictures Aspen Trees
Page 37  Stone Roundhouse Build Trim, Front Stone Work
             Pictures of Mountains with Fall Color
Page 38  The view through "Wayne's hole"
Page 39  Some overall room photographs of the layout
Page 40  Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the trim
Page 41  Stone Roundhouse Build - Installing the Windows
Page 42  The A&I tube
Page 43  Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the Roof
Page 44  Stone Roundhouse Build - Final pictures on the workbench
              Stone Roundhouse Build - Moving and installing on the layout
Page 45  Stone Roundhouse Build - Installation pictures
Page 46  Discussion of storage on the benchwork
Page 47  New - flex shaft rotary tool
Page 48  The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 49  Kit discussion
Page 50  Scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 51  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build - bents
Page 52  Testing coloring for the Trestle
Page 53  Start of scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 54  Progress pictures scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 55  Surveying for the Trestle
             Stripwood for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
             Casting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 56  Changes in the Mountains
Page 57  Coloring the trestle footings
Page 58  Mt. Aiden Scenery progress pictures
Page 59  Setting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 60  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build first Bents
Page 61  Staining Stripwood
Page 62  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Page 63  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Page 64  Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 65  Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 66  Painting Bolt Castings
Page 67  Installing Bolt Castings - Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 68  Cutting more strip wood
              Dealing with impatient forum members
Page 69  Adding retaining walls
Page 70  Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 71  Counting nut and bolt castings
Page 72  Mt. Aiden Trestle - the finishing process
Page 73  Adding Scenery to Mt. Aiden
Page 74  Building retaining wall for Mt. Aiden
              Pine Tree Production
Page 75  Dead Pine Trees
Page 75  The Brambell's Build Start - What's in the box
Page 76  Brambell's - Site preparation on the Layout
Page 77  Brambell's - Making Extra Castings
Page 78  Brambell's - Changing the site plan to fit my location on the layout.
Page 79  Brambell's - Making Molds
Page 80  Brambell's - Painting the castings
Page 81  Brambell's - Preparing the background scenery
Page 82  FSM Sawmill reconditioning for the S&S RR.
Page 83  Brambell's - Fitting castings to my site.
Page 84  Brambell's - Castings - lessons learned
Page 85  Brambell's - Painting the castings
Page 86  Brambell's - Testing the base with castings on the layout
Page 87  Brambell's - Detail castings - preparation for painting

             Brambell's - The warehouse walls
Page 88  New Tools
Page 89  Brambell's - Warehouse Assembly
Page 90  Brambell's - Painting the detail castings
             Brambell's - The wood retaining wall
Page 91  Brambell's - More Warehouse Assembly
Page 92  Brambell's - adding detail castings
Page 93  Brambell's - Warehouse Roof Construction
Page 94  Brambell's - Adding the Hoist House
              Brambell's - Adding the back deck
              Brambell's - A test fit on the layout
Page 95  Brambell's - Adding the ground cover
Page 96  Brambell's - Adding the Warehouse back shed
Page 97  Brambell's - More details
Page 98  Brambell's - Building the front deck
Page 99  Brambell's - Building the Trestle
Page 100 Brambell's - The cement wall
              Brambell's - The Trestle Deck
Page 101 Updating the index
Page 102 Brambell's - Rail Siding and Dock
              Adding more trees
Page 103 Brambell's Front Office
Page 104 Brambell's Scale and Scale House
Page 105 Brambell's Adding Dirt
              Brambell's Test Plant on Layout
Page 106 Changes, Dad's, and the old layout
Page 107 Working in the Mountain
Page 108 Brambell's The Details
Page 108 Brambell's Finish Pictures on the Workbench
Page 108 A clean workbench
Page 109 Chippy Hollow Build Start
Page 110 Another Trestle Build
Page 111 More Pine Tree Production
               Chippy Hollow Painting the wall castings
Page 112 Start of the Mt. Aiden Small Trestle
Page 112 Eagles Nest Hardware Build
Page 114 Track on the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 114 Chippy Hollow Build Progress
Page 115 Eagles Nest Warehouse Wall Castings
Page 116 Build Progress Eagles Nest Warehouse and Chippy Hollow
Page 117 Painting the Eagles Nest Warehouse Castings.
Page 118 Progress Report Small Trestle Build on Mt. Aiden.
Page 118 Layout Diagrams update
Page 119 Chippy Hollow Build update.
Page 120 Reusable Mold Material test.
Page 121 Trestle Build Progress.
Page 123 Final Pictures Mt. Aiden Trestle Build.
Page 124 Eagles Nest Warehouse Progress Report.
Page 126 Chippy Hollow Build Update
Page 128 Chippy Hollow Details
Page 128 Chippy Hollow become Walter P's
Page 129 The Staging Yard.

Page 130 The Control Panel Switch Panel.
Page 133 Eagles Next Warehouse - new paint and weathering.
Page 134 Start of the Jacob's Coal Build.
Page 136 Prototype Pictures from Greenfield Village
Page 137 Making room for the inside the mountain helix.
Page 138 Building the Helix.
Page 142 Making molds for plaster castings.
Page 143 More Aspen Trees
Page 146 Start of the C. C. Crow Stone Church Build
Page 147 Making room for the HOn3 Trestle
Page 148 Plans for the mountain top.
Page 148 Hidden Yard Build
Page 150 C. C. Crow Church Pictures
Page 153 Starting the HOn3 Trestle Builds
Page 155 Jacob's Coal Build Update
Page 157 Getting out the saw - more changes
Page 159 Using a Clay Mockups for design.
Page 162 The Start of the town of Sellios
Page 163 Sawmill placement.
Page 164 More on the Clay Mockup.
Page 167 Future Build Plans.
Page 169 The HOn3 Trestle Final Build Pictures.
Page 171 More Aspen Trees
Page 172 Moving on to Volume 2 of the S&S RR Build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:10:34 PM
This weekend, over 500 aspen trees and about a 100 pine trees were planted on the S&S RR.  Wayne Olson spent the day with me on Saturday and we planted trees for most of the day and then spent a couple hours running trains.  It sure was nice to be running trains on the layout.


Here are a few photographs of the areas that received new trees.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217215142.jpeg)


The area behind the HOn3 trestle on Mount Kara.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220241.jpeg)


Zooming back out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 26, 2017, 10:12:30 PM
Great scenery work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:14:05 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220032.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220032.jpeg)


The Water Tank on the HOn3 line.  The track crew will be coming in tomorrow to continue the track work from here across the trestle and on to the second HOn3 trestle.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:16:37 PM
We also started planting the trees on the mount side over looking the future town of Sellios.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217215222.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:17:39 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220109.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220109.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:18:55 PM
Here is a picture from the other side.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 10:23:14 PM
Finally, for tonight, here is a picture looking from the other side of the room along the Mount Aiden Trestle.  The plateau in the picture is about 4 feet by 5 feet and will someday be the home of O'Neal's and the upcoming companion structures.  Bret the back drop is almost ready.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220210.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220210.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220138.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220138.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ak-milw on February 26, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
John, the colors make every thing pop. looks great
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 08:56:46 AM
Great scenery work.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words.  It's getting there a layer at a time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 09:00:05 AM
John, the colors make every thing pop. looks great


Andy


Thanks - I learned something about my lighting too.  I think all of the overhead florescent lights are going to go and will be replaced with spot LED's from the valance. I need to do some experimenting.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on February 27, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
John,
Be sure to keep us up to date on the light changes.

I have florescent lights with UV filters on each tube.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
John,
Be sure to keep us up to date on the light changes.

I have florescent lights with UV filters on each tube.

Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by - I will.  This project will be a few months but I have already bought the light fixtures to implement it. The LED's just produce much better light.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Today, I got to test a tip I read in Steve Custer's O'Neal's build thread.  Steve mentioned that he used a Mortar & Pestle to grind the sand finer for his pathways.  Light bulb went off in my head and I had to try it.  So off to Amazon and found a granite Mortar & Pestle on sale so I bought it. I have just about every color sand I could need between my place here in Clarkston and my Cabin in Northern Michigan.  The problem is the texture - the sand is to coarse. The sand pile I have in the woods from digging the basement under my gazebo is just the right color but fits into the too coarse category.  So here's pictures of the test. 


Here is a picture of the sand that has been run through 3 different sizes of screen to remove the big chunks.



(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217202701.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217202701.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
Here is a picture of the process and the end results.  I only worked on this about a minute.  It was amazing how fine I could grind sand. Thanks for the tip Steve.  I will have all the sand I need for modeling in just a few days work. I really like being able to collect scenery materials on my walks.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217201432.jpeg)




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217201400.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 27, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
That will work great for silt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: SteveCuster on February 27, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
I'm glad it worked out John. It definitely makes it easier to get the really fine dirt without sifting through screens and stockings etc..
I can't take credit for the idea, I got it from Brett Gallant but I'm glad I could pass it on.

-Steve
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on February 27, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
I still think we need a LIKE button on the forum.

I kike this idea.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
That will work great for silt.


Curt


Yes it will - Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 09:46:58 PM
I'm glad it worked out John. It definitely makes it easier to get the really fine dirt without sifting through screens and stockings etc..
I can't take credit for the idea, I got it from Brett Gallant but I'm glad I could pass it on.

-Steve


Steve


Thanks again for passing it along - great source.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 27, 2017, 09:47:57 PM
I still think we need a LIKE button on the forum.

I kike this idea.

Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by and I'm glad you liked my third hand tip of the day.  It does really work nice.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on February 27, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
John:

Just make sure there are no iron particles in the sand. Run a strong magnet over your pulverized sand. Iron particles ruin locomotive motors.

Stay cool and run steam...... 8) 8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: rpdylan on February 27, 2017, 11:03:44 PM
Great idea! I have been adding a bit of earth colored pastel chalks to my sand , got some nice coloring with them...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on February 28, 2017, 07:49:30 AM
Hi John:

Cool idea. Looks the the sand came out real fine. I might have to look for one of those.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 28, 2017, 08:28:48 AM
John:

Just make sure there are no iron particles in the sand. Run a strong magnet over your pulverized sand. Iron particles ruin locomotive motors.

Stay cool and run steam...... 8) 8)


Good point Bob.  I need to do that.  I do it with the materials I bring back with me from Michigan's Upper Peninsula - lots of iron up there. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 28, 2017, 08:30:36 AM
Great idea! I have been adding a bit of earth colored pastel chalks to my sand , got some nice coloring with them...


I have colored dirt with chalks after it is installed but haven't tried adding the chalk before I glued it down.  Another great tip to try.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on February 28, 2017, 08:32:25 AM
Hi John:

Cool idea. Looks the the sand came out real fine. I might have to look for one of those.

Karl


Karl


If you do - get the granite one. I think the weight makes the process easier.  It does work very nice.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 01, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
I have spent the last couple of days getting a fleet of locomotives / and rolling stock up and running. So far,/ all my testing has been with equipment I kept from my previous layout - some of it is very tired.  I need to test my track work with various types and styles of locomotives and rolling stock, so I'm identifying and putting together the test trains.  I have one comment for this process - RTR does not stand for ready to run. I just sent in an order for washers / shims / screws / bolts/ couplers and wheels,  so I could get my test trains Ready-to-Run, or test in this case.  I'm also going to make sure the rolling stock is at the NMRA recommend weight. The bottom line is that this is turning into a big project that has to be done before proper testing can begin.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on March 01, 2017, 09:55:13 AM
Hi John:

Sounds like a fun project.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 01, 2017, 10:03:59 AM
Hi John:

Sounds like a fun project.

Karl


Hi Karl


Yes - it is - I think it's one of the most import parts of getting a layout running well. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on March 01, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
John,

You won't be disappointed in getting all your rolling stock up to standards. It is the most tedious and the most rewarding function of owning a railroad model with all the rolling stock.

The Judge and I went through about 100 freight cars two years ago.  About three times that left to do. We checked coupler height, replaced all wheels with Intermountain wheel sets and the Kadee scale head couplers. When I finished a car I used a silver Sharpie marker and placed a dot on the bottom of the car. This let me know what cars have been upgraded.

We used to say the RTR cars were Ready To Repair. ;D

Tom
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 01, 2017, 10:08:39 PM
John,

You won't be disappointed in getting all your rolling stock up to standards. It is the most tedious and the most rewarding function of owning a railroad model with all the rolling stock.

The Judge and I went through about 100 freight cars two years ago.  About three times that left to do. We checked coupler height, replaced all wheels with Intermountain wheel sets and the Kadee scale head couplers. When I finished a car I used a silver Sharpie marker and placed a dot on the bottom of the car. This let me know what cars have been upgraded.

We used to say the RTR cars were Ready To Repair. ;D 




Tom


I like that Ready to Repair.  I'm sure finding that they need lots of work.  I have a couple 100 Kadde box cars that all need the intermountain wheel sets. I made a little test stand and will be adding a few cars and locomotives a day until my test fleet is complete. Anything of the rest of my rolling stock that doesn't have the Kadee couplers is get them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: rpdylan on March 02, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
Yeah, John,  I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 02, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
Yeah, John,  I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"

Bob



I have also started adding chalks to my rock work.  It really makes the colors look natural in the rocks that are close to the viewer. I think the texture adds as much as the color.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on March 02, 2017, 04:08:51 PM
Yeah, John,  I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"

Bob

I have also started adding chalks to my rock work.  It really makes the colors look natural in the rocks that are close to the viewer. I think the texture adds as much as the color.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Yeah, dabbing chalks as a 'finish coat' adds depth to the colors on the rock, and keeps the colors from looking too linear.  That's also true when doing slate shingles!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 03, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
Yeah, John,  I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"

Bob

I have also started adding chalks to my rock work.  It really makes the colors look natural in the rocks that are close to the viewer. I think the texture adds as much as the color.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Yeah, dabbing chalks as a 'finish coat' adds depth to the colors on the rock, and keeps the colors from looking too linear.  That's also true when doing slate shingles!


dave


Dave


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I think adding depth is the right way to describe the process. I will photograph the process the next time I do it.  But first more track to put down.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 04, 2017, 07:09:29 PM
I spent the day working on the track work. I have a little more mountain surgery to do but I'm making progress. I should be starting the final helix this week. ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on March 05, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
Mountain surgery, sounds like plaster is being cut.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 05, 2017, 09:38:27 AM
Mountain surgery, sounds like plaster is being cut.

Tom ;D


Yes - but in this case it's on the inside to reroute a tunnel by a few inches. A few minutes with a saw and all will be well.  Thanks for stopping by the thread Tom.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 06, 2017, 09:42:48 PM
Well, I got brave today and put one of the big steam locomotives on the track, a 2-6-6-2. The good news is it did real well on the layout - except - here comes the bad news - it didn't like the radius on the smaller trestle on Mount Aiden.  :o :(  It looks like tomorrows project will be to re-deck the trestle and change the track.  I used a 24 inch radius but it needed a slight S as it came of this trestle and lined up for the big seven foot long trestle. I knew the S was going to be a problem with the big steam equipment. So it looks like a do over.  Once again, we get to learn that you never cheat your standards. Once I get this problem solved I will be getting one of the S4 Broadways out for a test run.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 08, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
Yesterday, I added about 20 feet of track and made it to the new area where I will be installing the new helix (see the clay mockup in my volume one thread). I will start taking the time to take some pictures of this last section. I will be able to show the intermountain helix as it goes together.  This area will have very little plaster work for the scenery so I can do the track work first. A welcomed change.  I will post some pictures tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 08, 2017, 08:56:52 PM
Pictures are going to wait until tomorrow or ???.  We are having power outages because of high winds today and I'm posting this using my phone as a hotspot - not a very fast way of downloading pictures. I made a lot of progress today cleaning out the old benchwork and have the spot ready to go - tomorrow I will begin construction of the helix.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: rpdylan on March 09, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
looking back on the photos again, I really like the photo of the green water tank against the yellow trees. In fact, the yellow makes everything look so nice. I bought some yellow leaf material from Scenic Express in order to add some here and there amongst all the green trees.....
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 09, 2017, 08:29:41 AM
looking back on the photos again, I really like the photo of the green water tank against the yellow trees. In fact, the yellow makes everything look so nice. I bought some yellow leaf material from Scenic Express in order to add some here and there amongst all the green trees.....


Bob


Yes, the fall colors make all the colors pop.  I have spent a lot of time taking pictures and testing different flocking materials to get the color the way I wanted it.  I currently mix three colors of flock for yellow trees with some occasional orange which is very common in the mountain aspens. The green trees are also a mixture of three different shades of green. The key is don't put on to much flock.  You need to be able to see through the trees. Most of the trees you see in the catalogs have way to much flock on them to look realistic.  Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on March 09, 2017, 02:05:34 PM
John,

Some how I missed the first couple of pages of Volume 2. Thank you for the great compliment on my layout thread.

The pictures on the first two pages are absolutely wonderful. The depth of the mountains and backdrop is wonderful, in fact just unbelievable my friend.

You've done an excellent job of capturing the mountain region of the Great Northern.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 09, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
John,

Some how I missed the first couple of pages of Volume 2. Thank you for the great compliment on my layout thread.

The pictures on the first two pages are absolutely wonderful. The depth of the mountains and backdrop is wonderful, in fact just unbelievable my friend.

You've done an excellent job of capturing the mountain region of the Great Northern.

Tom ;D


Tom


Thank you for the kind words.  I'm making the final big push to get the benchwork and track work complete so I can start working on the stuff that shows again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:18:28 AM
I have the internet back today so I can post a few pictures of the area I'm working on. First, here is the clay mockup I made of this area.  I'm making a few changes to the area up front.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221754.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:20:35 AM
The land on my clay mockup is ready for the little bulldozers to come in and start preparing for the foundations of all the buildings.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:23:43 AM
Here is a picture of this area (the working name is Mountain View) just after all the stuff was cleared off the benchwork.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221901.jpeg)





Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on March 10, 2017, 08:24:31 AM
Hi John:

I shall be watching.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:24:58 AM
The first step was to get the remaining track from by previous layout out of the way.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221828.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221828.jpeg)


Let the sawing begin.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:25:48 AM
Hi John:

I shall be watching.

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for following along.  There will be sawdust!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:34:53 AM
Here is what we have after a couple days of measuring twice and cutting once. I'm cutting the old benchwork into sections for the helix.  You can see the first section of helix for the HOn3 line making it's way under the layout.  I have the track already in to a point just around the corner (about 15 feet away).  Most of the helix will be covered by the landforms as you can see on the clay mockup.  The helix will have two tracks - HOn3 on the inside and HO on the outside. There will be a Station that serves both lines. The small yard will service the Narrow Gauge line.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100317082801.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:36:59 AM
To give this area some perspective what you see in the picture is 6 foot deep and approx. 8 feet wide.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 08:44:56 AM
Today, I'm going to start putting the helix in starting with lowest level and working my way up - I will be putting the track in on each level before moving on to the next loop. It sure is nice working out in the open air where I can see what I'm doing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: rpdylan on March 10, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
Awesome! Following along so I can get pointers- I want to drop my track under the layout and come back up in another section....
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 09:32:46 AM
Awesome! Following along so I can get pointers- I want to drop my track under the layout and come back up in another section....


Bob


Thanks for following along.  The HOn3 line on my layout is the upper most level and runs between the four major groups of mountains.  At each end after making approximately a 80 foot run it travels down a helix with the return under the layout.  I have been working on and off for three months putting in all the track under the layout. I anticipate a long shake out period with the track work because it was hard to see under the layout.  We will see in a few weeks. The idea is to be able to run this continuously during open houses etc. The line can also be run point to point during operations.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on March 10, 2017, 02:38:06 PM
I look forward to seeing your progress.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 10, 2017, 09:20:10 PM
I look forward to seeing your progress.


Curt


Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 11, 2017, 01:03:45 PM
Here are a couple pictures of something you shouldn't do.  When I laid the track in this area I put in a 28 inch radius S curve.  It really looks nice as a diesel locomotive pulls a train through the area.  Problem is the steam locomotives can't deal with the S curve - derail every time.  So one of my projects this week is to remove the S.  I can do it without modifying the location of the trestle - I just need to add a couple deck planks.  I used my radius gauges to figure out the new route.


As soon as I get the track work changed and tested I will be finishing the scenery in this area.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110317125944.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110317130039.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110317130112.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ak-milw on March 11, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
John, how do you plan on bending the trestle, or do you have to redo it?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on March 11, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Great photo's John. :) 8) Well done.

Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 11, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
John, how do you plan on bending the trestle, or do you have to redo it?


Andy


All I have to do is add a couple planks to the trestle so no big deal.  The S was an after thought that did look cool but was not functional with the larger steam locomotives.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 11, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
Great photo's John. :) 8) Well done.

Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)


Thanks Bob.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on March 11, 2017, 06:24:22 PM
John,

To bad the S curve did not work out for the steam locomotives.  I added a lot of interest to this great scene.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Mkrailway on March 11, 2017, 07:28:21 PM
Can't you just flatten the curve near the embankment on the front left?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on March 11, 2017, 07:34:20 PM
Awesome modeling. Very life like.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 11, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
John,

To bad the S curve did not work out for the steam locomotives.  I added a lot of interest to this great scene.


Steve


Thanks for stopping by - yeah it did look good but I can't have the big steamers having problems.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 11, 2017, 09:15:31 PM
Can't you just flatten the curve near the embankment on the front left?


Marty


Tried that but it would require too tight of a radius coming off the big trestle.  It will work by straightening out the track between the two trestles. I had it that way in the first place and decided to get cute with the S curve. Thanks for following the thread. I'll post some pictures of the fix when I get it done.  I have some big pine trees already made up for the right side of the tracks.  The trains will be running through a forest of big pines when this area is complete.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on March 12, 2017, 10:08:10 AM
Good save John.....I'm sure that scene will be great when you get it finished and you'll be much happier when your steamers run thru it without problems.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 12, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
Good save John.....I'm sure that scene will be great when you get it finished and you'll be much happier when your steamers run thru it without problems.  8)


Thanks Greg.  All the track work has to be tested with all my locomotives before I call it done.  Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: KCS Trains on March 13, 2017, 11:45:49 AM
John,  I know what you are talking about.  That's why I'm laying track and testing it right away.  I have a UP Big Boy.  If that beast of an engine can get through, anything can!!  Phil
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 13, 2017, 01:57:28 PM
John,  I know what you are talking about.  That's why I'm laying track and testing it right away.  I have a UP Big Boy.  If that beast of an engine can get through, anything can!!  Phil

Phil



Now that's a good test locomotive.  I'm using a 2-6-6-2 which will be the biggest on my rooster.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 14, 2017, 05:20:59 PM
I made some progress on the helix today. The Narrow Gauge loop is complete to the level below the layout. All I need is a 12 foot straight section of track to complete it.  The first loop of the helix up is also in place and ready for track. The outer most loop is a reversing loop so I can turn a train without going up the helix.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140317171718.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140317171718.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 14, 2017, 05:26:36 PM
I also cut the front facia board to a maximum size using the clay mockup as a guide. I'm sure I will make some modification before it is installed permanently.  I will determine the final shape once the helix is all in place.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140317171755.jpeg)


Here is a picture of the clay mockup again for perspective.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221754.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on March 14, 2017, 07:23:59 PM
Looks like you are making good progress.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ak-milw on March 14, 2017, 08:05:16 PM
Moving right along John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 15, 2017, 09:37:57 AM
Looks like you are making good progress.


Thanks Curt - We are getting there.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 15, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
Moving right along John.


Andy


Thanks for stopping by - slow but sure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on March 15, 2017, 11:25:55 AM
Looking really good John.

I love to see the way things are built.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 16, 2017, 09:35:35 AM
Looking really good John.

I love to see the way things are built.

Jim


Hi Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I'm the same way, I guess that's why I'm doing a build thread. It sure is nice to be able to build this helix out in the open. Instead of going straight up, with each loop over the previous one, I'm going to stagger the loops after the first one so the radius can get bigger and I have more room to work on the track.  I have the space once I get above the first loop so why not use it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on March 16, 2017, 11:23:55 AM
John,

Using the track gauges is a very wise idea, especially on the helix. You won't be sorry. Many modelers don't and the result is not good.

Tom
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 16, 2017, 02:23:32 PM
John,

Using the track gauges is a very wise idea, especially on the helix. You won't be sorry. Many modelers don't and the result is not good.

Tom


Hi Tom


Thanks for stopping by.  I agree, the few minutes it takes to get it right now can save hours finding a spot where the radius got to tight.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 19, 2017, 12:25:54 PM
Construction activities on the S&S RR have been put on hold for a few days so Amy and I can spend some quality time with the family. I completed the first loop of the helix and finalized the design, now that I can see how everything will go together.  My saber saw will be getting a workout with this project.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on March 19, 2017, 01:38:18 PM
Have fun with your family.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ak-milw on March 19, 2017, 07:24:55 PM
We all need a little family time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 20, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Curt and Andy


Thanks for stopping by the thread. I am having a great time with my family.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 22, 2017, 12:47:15 AM



Index to Volume 1 of the  Superior & Seattle Railroad Build Thread

Index to the thread Updated 3/21/17. 



                          INDEX


Page 1   Changing forums - the benchwork
Page 2   Overview and Status in March of 2014
Page 3   A look back at the Benchwork and Paster work on the mountains,
             Painting the Plaster work
             The Photo Back Drops
             Making Aspen Trees
Page 4    Making Pine Trees
              Preparing the Talus Materials
Page 5    Prototype Photographs
Page 6    Prototype Photographs
              Control Panel
Page 7    Layout Diagram "original plan"
              Roundhouse Photographs
              The Stone Roundhouse Build - start
Page 8    Stone Roundhouse Build - the walls
Page 9    Stone Roundhouse Build - the Roof
Page 10  Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting
Page 11  Laying more track
             Planning the town of Sellios
Page 12  Testing track
Page 13  First Runs - lower track
Page 14  Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Page 15  Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Page 16  Track work in Sellios
Page 17  Planning Structure Placement - Sellios
Page 18  Logo for the Superior & Seattle Railroad
Page 19  Cedar Shingle Pine Tree armatures
              Modeling in the Summer
Page 20  Roofing on the Stone Roundhouse
Page 21  Doors on the Stone Roundhouse
Page 22  More plaster work
Page 23  Installing the DCC System
Page 24  DCC System Discussion
Page 25  DCC System Installation
Page 26  DCC System Installation
Page 27  More track installation
Page 28  Track Testing
Page 29  Door production for the Stone Roundhouse
Page 30  Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 31  Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 32  Changes - moving mountains
Page 33  Adding some talus materials
Page 34  Stone Roundhouse Build - Tar Paper Roof
Page 35  Stone Roundhouse Build - Doors, Windows, Trim
Page 36  Planting Aspen Trees,
             prototype pictures Aspen Trees
Page 37  Stone Roundhouse Build Trim, Front Stone Work
             Pictures of Mountains with Fall Color
Page 38  The view through "Wayne's hole"
Page 39  Some overall room photographs of the layout
Page 40  Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the trim
Page 41  Stone Roundhouse Build - Installing the Windows
Page 42  The A&I tube
Page 43  Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the Roof
Page 44  Stone Roundhouse Build - Final pictures on the workbench
              Stone Roundhouse Build - Moving and installing on the layout
Page 45  Stone Roundhouse Build - Installation pictures
Page 46  Discussion of storage on the benchwork
Page 47  New - flex shaft rotary tool
Page 48  The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 49  Kit discussion
Page 50  Scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 51  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build - bents
Page 52  Testing coloring for the Trestle
Page 53  Start of scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 54  Progress pictures scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 55  Surveying for the Trestle
             Stripwood for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
             Casting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 56  Changes in the Mountains
Page 57  Coloring the trestle footings
Page 58  Mt. Aiden Scenery progress pictures
Page 59  Setting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 60  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build first Bents
Page 61  Staining Stripwood
Page 62  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Page 63  Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Page 64  Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 65  Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 66  Painting Bolt Castings
Page 67  Installing Bolt Castings - Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 68  Cutting more strip wood
              Dealing with impatient forum members
Page 69  Adding retaining walls
Page 70  Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 71  Counting nut and bolt castings
Page 72  Mt. Aiden Trestle - the finishing process
Page 73  Adding Scenery to Mt. Aiden
Page 74  Building retaining wall for Mt. Aiden
              Pine Tree Production
Page 75  Dead Pine Trees
Page 75  The Brambell's Build Start - What's in the box
Page 76  Brambell's - Site preparation on the Layout
Page 77  Brambell's - Making Extra Castings
Page 78  Brambell's - Changing the site plan to fit my location on the layout.
Page 79  Brambell's - Making Molds
Page 80  Brambell's - Painting the castings
Page 81  Brambell's - Preparing the background scenery
Page 82  FSM Sawmill reconditioning for the S&S RR.
Page 83  Brambell's - Fitting castings to my site.
Page 84  Brambell's - Castings - lessons learned
Page 85  Brambell's - Painting the castings
Page 86  Brambell's - Testing the base with castings on the layout
Page 87  Brambell's - Detail castings - preparation for painting

             Brambell's - The warehouse walls
Page 88  New Tools
Page 89  Brambell's - Warehouse Assembly
Page 90  Brambell's - Painting the detail castings
             Brambell's - The wood retaining wall
Page 91  Brambell's - More Warehouse Assembly
Page 92  Brambell's - adding detail castings
Page 93  Brambell's - Warehouse Roof Construction
Page 94  Brambell's - Adding the Hoist House
              Brambell's - Adding the back deck
              Brambell's - A test fit on the layout
Page 95  Brambell's - Adding the ground cover
Page 96  Brambell's - Adding the Warehouse back shed
Page 97  Brambell's - More details
Page 98  Brambell's - Building the front deck
Page 99  Brambell's - Building the Trestle
Page 100 Brambell's - The cement wall
              Brambell's - The Trestle Deck
Page 101 Updating the index
Page 102 Brambell's - Rail Siding and Dock
              Adding more trees
Page 103 Brambell's Front Office
Page 104 Brambell's Scale and Scale House
Page 105 Brambell's Adding Dirt
              Brambell's Test Plant on Layout
Page 106 Changes, Dad's, and the old layout
Page 107 Working in the Mountain
Page 108 Brambell's The Details
Page 108 Brambell's Finish Pictures on the Workbench
Page 108 A clean workbench
Page 109 Chippy Hollow Build Start
Page 110 Another Trestle Build
Page 111 More Pine Tree Production
               Chippy Hollow Painting the wall castings
Page 112 Start of the Mt. Aiden Small Trestle
Page 112 Eagles Nest Hardware Build
Page 114 Track on the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 114 Chippy Hollow Build Progress
Page 115 Eagles Nest Warehouse Wall Castings
Page 116 Build Progress Eagles Nest Warehouse and Chippy Hollow
Page 117 Painting the Eagles Nest Warehouse Castings.
Page 118 Progress Report Small Trestle Build on Mt. Aiden.
Page 118 Layout Diagrams update
Page 119 Chippy Hollow Build update.
Page 120 Reusable Mold Material test.
Page 121 Trestle Build Progress.
Page 123 Final Pictures Mt. Aiden Trestle Build.
Page 124 Eagles Nest Warehouse Progress Report.
Page 126 Chippy Hollow Build Update
Page 128 Chippy Hollow Details
Page 128 Chippy Hollow become Walter P's
Page 129 The Staging Yard.

Page 130 The Control Panel Switch Panel.
Page 133 Eagles Next Warehouse - new paint and weathering.
Page 134 Start of the Jacob's Coal Build.
Page 136 Prototype Pictures from Greenfield Village
Page 137 Making room for the inside the mountain helix.
Page 138 Building the Helix.
Page 142 Making molds for plaster castings.
Page 143 More Aspen Trees
Page 146 Start of the C. C. Crow Stone Church Build
Page 147 Making room for the HOn3 Trestle
Page 148 Plans for the mountain top.
Page 148 Hidden Yard Build
Page 150 C. C. Crow Church Pictures
Page 153 Starting the HOn3 Trestle Builds
Page 155 Jacob's Coal Build Update
Page 157 Getting out the saw - more changes
Page 159 Using a Clay Mockups for design.
Page 162 The Start of the town of Sellios
Page 163 Sawmill placement.
Page 164 More on the Clay Mockup.
Page 167 Future Build Plans.
Page 169 The HOn3 Trestle Final Build Pictures.
Page 171 More Aspen Trees
Page 172 Moving on to Volume 2 of the S&S RR Build.



Index to Volume 2

Page 1  Indexes
Page 1  Adding more Aspen Trees
Page 2  The clay mockup and the final helix.
Page 3
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on March 22, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
John,
Thanks so much for taking the time to plan and post an index.  That makes it SO much easier to find a specific part of the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on March 22, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Hi John,

It looks like a beautiful Fall day with the leaves turning on the Aspen trees in the mountains.  Pretty soon the snow will be falling.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 23, 2017, 11:17:13 PM
John,
Thanks so much for taking the time to plan and post an index.  That makes it SO much easier to find a specific part of the thread.


Jerry


Thanks for following along and your welcome on the index.  I use it myself when I'm trying to remember how I did something.  Especially with paint colors.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 23, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
Hi John,

It looks like a beautiful Fall day with the leaves turning on the Aspen trees in the mountains.  Pretty soon the snow will be falling.

Hi Steve


Thanks for stopping by the thread.
I plan on sticking with a nice sunny fall day.  If I ever model snow it will be on a different area of the layout.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 26, 2017, 12:59:06 AM
This past week I have only been doing some design work on the layout - mostly structure placement. This week, I  should get back to work on the helix and track work. Between road trips and family obligations there hasn't been much time for modeling. Variety is the spice of life ;) .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 29, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Today, I returned from my road trip with the last stop being a visit to Erieman's - MORRISTOWN & ERIE RAILROAD - WESTERN DIVISION (http://modelersforum.com/layout-tours/morristown-erie-railroad-western-division/).  I met Frank through the forum a few years ago and we have become good friends.  This was my third visit to his layout and he has made tremendous progress in the two years since my last visit.  Frank is getting his layout ready for a photo shoot and it is truly a "Great Model Railroad". One of the things that caught my eye as I walked in the door was the pine trees.  Frank arranged a trip to see his supplier for the trees - Don Ledger.  Don really knows how to model trees. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussions we had about trees and forest modeling and I'm looking forward to receiving the samples he will be sending me based on our discussions.  I think his trees are going to really complement the caspia pine trees that I have been making for the S&S RR. Here is a photograph of one of one of the trees from Frank's layout.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290317174611.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290317174611.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Mkrailway on March 30, 2017, 12:01:24 AM
So John when are you going to make one, or two, or three ...?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: KCS Trains on March 30, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
That my friend, is a great tree!!!  Phil
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2017, 11:40:31 AM
So John when are you going to make one, or two, or three ...?


Marty


When it comes to trees on my layout we always think in terms of 100's. I think these will really complement the caspia trees. I will post pictures when the samples arrive.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
That my friend, is a great tree!!!  Phil


Phil


Thanks for stopping by the thread - yes I think Don is really doing a great job with these.  Amazing what you can do with a piece of rope.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on March 30, 2017, 02:27:37 PM
Excellent looking tree.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on March 30, 2017, 09:35:31 PM
Excellent looking tree.


Curt


Thank you for stopping by the thread and for your comments.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2017, 08:10:04 AM
I'm back working on the helix - loop one is complete - starting loop two. I'll take some pictures at the end of the day today. I bought a video camera that I can mount on a flat car, thanks to Erieman.  I was holding out until I had more of the layout complete, but I think the camera will be very helpful in inspecting my track work.  Especially in the hidden areas. Now I have another project - learning how to use it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
Here is a progress picture at the end of the day,  today.  I'm starting the third loop of the helix. The HO track is on the outside of the helix with a 26 inch radius.  The HOn3 is on the inside with a radius of 24 inches.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010417202126.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 01, 2017, 08:39:04 PM
It sure takes a lot of tools to build a helix.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 01, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
Can't wait to see the finished helix with trains running on it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 02, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
Can't wait to see the finished helix with trains running on it.


Curt


Thanks for stopping by - I'm really looking forward to having the trains running on this too.  This helix will complete the track on the layout - at least for awhile - until the next expansion. ;)   So far - all the track work in this area will be underneath the city that I will build on top.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 03, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
I'm making progress on the helix, one more loop to go with the HO track and 2 more loops with the HOn3.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030417211545.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on April 04, 2017, 07:42:58 AM
Hi John:

Looks good you're getting there.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 04, 2017, 08:34:20 AM
Hi John:

Looks good you're getting there.

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for stopping by - I'm ready to get back on building structures. I enjoy the track work but it's been a long stretch of doing the same thing.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on April 04, 2017, 09:25:35 AM
Places that have 4'x8' CNC cutters are increasingly common (check with your local custom cabinetry guy).  I think if I were doing a helix, I'd pay to have the plywood pieces cut by CNC. 


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 04, 2017, 09:41:46 AM
Places that have 4'x8' CNC cutters are increasingly common (check with your local custom cabinetry guy).  I think if I were doing a helix, I'd pay to have the plywood pieces cut by CNC. 


dave


Dave


I would agree with you for a traditional helix - the problem with this helix, and the two others I've built for the S&S, is that every piece is custom. The clay mockup really helped with the visualization but now it's measure twice and cut once for each section.  I'm also using up all the scrap pieces of wood that I had stored under the layout from all of the previous benchwork projects. At least I will not have to worry about covering up pretty benchwork. I'm spending most of my time checking the grade and testing to make sure there are no bumps or dips. The process is much easier on this helix with everything out in the open. Modeling a mountain railroad has it's challenges - just like the prototype.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on April 04, 2017, 10:13:57 AM
Maybe 20% of my dumb mistakes are cutting errors, rather than measurement errors.  CNC would prevent those, at least, at the cost of doing a lot more design work. 

What's the grade through the helix?

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 04, 2017, 12:08:11 PM
Maybe 20% of my dumb mistakes are cutting errors, rather than measurement errors.  CNC would prevent those, at least, at the cost of doing a lot more design work. 

What's the grade through the helix?

dave


Hi Dave


The grade is between 2 and 3 percent depending on what I have to allow clearance for.  I plan on running 2 and 3 locomotive consists, just like the prototypes in the mountains. The iPad is sure a great tool for measuring the grade.  With the larger loops I can get 4 inches of rise per loop and maintain less than a 3 percent grade.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on April 04, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
You certainly don't want stalls inside the helix, so an even grade would be important, I think. 

For my layout, I've considered and discarded a 2 level design, mostly because I doubt I'd complete it  :P

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 04, 2017, 09:25:43 PM
More progress on the helix today.  The facia board is in place for a fitting.  The shape will change once I get the final loop in place.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040417212326.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on April 05, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
Hi John:

Looking good buddy.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on April 05, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
Hi John:

Looking good buddy.

Karl

I agree.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 05, 2017, 03:26:11 PM
Jim and Karl


Thanks for stopping by. So far things are turning out the way I designed them using the clay mockup model.  I really like the mockup process for understanding the elevation changes.  I see more clay mockups in my future.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Mkrailway on April 05, 2017, 11:30:22 PM
John, Do you ever get the feeling that you keep going around and around and around?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 06, 2017, 08:16:29 AM
John, Do you ever get the feeling that you keep going around and around and around?




Yes - "all my life's a circle" - to quote Mr. Harry Chapin.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on April 06, 2017, 10:16:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To)  (Johnny Cash)

dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 06, 2017, 11:16:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To)  (Johnny Cash)

dave


Another fine circle song. I know what I'm going to be hearing in my head while I'm finishing the helix.  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 08, 2017, 08:21:33 PM
Today, Wayne Olson worked with me on the layout.  We made 214 more aspen trees and added most of them to the layout. I forgot to take a picture before I turned the lights out so pictures will have to wait for tomorrow. I'm just amazed at how many trees this layout can swallow up. We have planted over 1500 aspen trees so far.  Yes - I have been counting them as we make them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on April 08, 2017, 09:05:23 PM
Today, Wayne Olson worked with me on the layout.  We made 214 more aspen trees and added most of them to the layout. I forgot to take a picture before I turned the lights out so pictures will have to wait for tomorrow. I'm just amazed at how many trees this layout can swallow up. We have planted over 1500 aspen trees so far.  Yes - I have been counting them as we make them.
You're crazy guy  :).... but are we don't too ?  ;)
Eric Quebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on April 09, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
John,
 Spring is a great time for planting new trees ... Sounds like you have been busy making scenery for the S&S !
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
Here is a picture of the area we where working on yesterday. The Plateau in the background is where we added the new trees.  In the foreground you can see the trees that are ready for planting. Somewhere in the new batch is Aspen tree number 1500.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417094013.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 09:54:30 AM
The process we use to make the trees is described in the volume one S&S RR thread if you are interested.  The process we are using to plant the trees is working very well for creating the depth I'm looking for.  You will notice that we are sorting the trees by size with the very smallest being used in the farthest location from the viewer on the the layout. You have to pay attention to both height and trunk diameter. It really helps to have a second set of eyes when your doing this.  In my case, my good friend Wayne Olson is my eyes in the isle way and I'm crawling around on the mountain doing the planting. I know it's hard to see in the picture but as we plant the trees it looks like we are moving the backdrop farther away from the isle way. In this scene the trains will be running through the aspen forest at two different elevations. The trees are trimmed so the train will be visible with only the trunks of the trees blocking the view of the train.  I will dig out my prototype pictures and post them in the coming weeks as we finish this scene. So thats the look we are trying to achieve - time will tell if we pull it off.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 09:58:44 AM
Here is a closeup of the trees on the plateau where you can see the track work behind the trees.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417095630.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 10:01:49 AM
Today, Wayne Olson worked with me on the layout.  We made 214 more aspen trees and added most of them to the layout. I forgot to take a picture before I turned the lights out so pictures will have to wait for tomorrow. I'm just amazed at how many trees this layout can swallow up. We have planted over 1500 aspen trees so far.  Yes - I have been counting them as we make them.
You're crazy guy  :) .... but are we don't too ?  ;)
Eric Quebec city


I have never met a modeler that didn't qualify for crazy. ;D ;)   Thanks for stopping by the thread Eric.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 10:03:04 AM
John,
 Spring is a great time for planting new trees ... Sounds like you have been busy making scenery for the S&S !
Tommy


Tommy


Thanks for stopping by the thread and yes spring is a great time for planting trees.  In this case we have the production of a long winter to get planted on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 09, 2017, 10:12:29 AM
Beautiful job. I especially like the rock slide under the trestle bridge. Are you going to add water to that scene?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Beautiful job. I especially like the rock slide under the trestle bridge. Are you going to add water to that scene?


Curt


The rock slide under the bridge will be dry - I have a prototype picture of this scene from a trip to British Columbia. A river will run along the base of the mountains here.  The North side of the river will be the town of VanGelder - I have a number of Bob's kits that will be planted there.  And the South Side of the River will be town of Sellios - the area is about 6 x 12 so there is room for a number of kits in this town. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 10:28:03 AM
Beautiful job. I especially like the rock slide under the trestle bridge. Are you going to add water to that scene?


Curt


The rock slide under the bridge will be dry - I have a prototype picture of this scene from a trip to British Columbia.The idea is that this is where the RR dumped the rock debris when the blasted the route through the mountain.  A river will run along the base of the mountains here.  The North side of the river will be the town of VanGelder - I have a number of Bob's kits that will be planted there.  And the South Side of the River will be town of Sellios - the area is about 6 x 12 so there is room for a number of kits in this town.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on April 09, 2017, 11:09:05 AM
John,

Your Aspen trees are beautiful. They really look fantastic up in the Rockies. Great job my friend.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on April 09, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
the final result is simply awesome

Eric QUebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ak-milw on April 09, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
Really like the color of the aspens with the dark rock behind them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 02:51:58 PM
John,

Your Aspen trees are beautiful. They really look fantastic up in the Rockies. Great job my friend.

Tom ;D


Thank you  Tom - Wayne Olson played a major roll in making and planting the Aspen forest. I think it is going to provide a wonderful backdrop to all those structures I have to build to complete the scene.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
the final result is simply awesome

Eric QUebec city


Thank you for the kind words Eric.  We are just getting good and started on the forestation of this area. I hope to post a photograph in a few weeks which will  show why we started in this area.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
Really like the color of the aspens with the dark rock behind them.


Andy


Thanks - it is amazing how the aspens make the rock work look better.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:18:30 PM

The next few posts will be documentation and followup to a thread the Tom "ACS1504" started about "super trees".  I decided to make the post below on Tom's thread and document the new Aspen tree process here on the S&S RR build thread. Here is the post I added on Tom's thread.
I just got off the phone with Wayne Olson and can now complete the story of the glycerin trees.  The bottom line is I have 1500 trees on the layout with the old - right out of the box trees. I will soon have about 300 with the glycerin trees.  The only way to tell them apart is to do a destructive test - for the engineers out there.  The glycerin trees are more durable on the layout. I have noticed for a long time that the trees where very brittle after they dried out. So - rather than post all the details in two places - I will post our new and improved process on my build thread so we will be able to find it easier in a month or two when us older modelers have forgotten where we put it.  Wayne made all the improvements while I was enjoy the sun out in AZ with Frank. Wayne gets a big thank you here - future purchases for the S&S RR will be the glycerin processed trees.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:36:18 PM
About 2 months ago I ordered a new case of super trees for Scenic Express. When Wayne Olson and I opened the box we noticed they were darker in color and very rubbery. After trying to get a few seed pods off we decided that Wayne would take them home and see if he could make them work.


I got a couple phone calls the next week which basically ended with - you need to send these trees back.  In the mean time life got in the way and Wayne didn't get over to work on my layout for a few weeks and then I left on a trip out West.  While I was gone Wayne figured out a solution to our rubbery tree problem and getting the seed pods removed. Yesterday, we flocked  214 trees which where both the old and new SE process - I didn't notice a difference in the trees flocking them or planting them on the layout once the matte medium was dry.


Here is a picture of those trees along with another batch of 141 trees that I flocked today.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153551.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
While I was away,  Wayne found that by using a diagonal cutter rather than tweezers he could remove the seed pods without destroying the tree. "It works better for both with and without glycerine trees".


Second, because he got frustrated in between starting with the wet rubbery trees and finding a solution to removing the seed pods he let the trees sit in the open air for a couple weeks.  When he returned to the project, he found the trees were much stiffer.  I think Dave recommended this as a solution on the other thread.


Wayne was also concerned with the paint sticking to the rubbery trees but once they were dried for a couple weeks in his workshop he had no problem.


I told Wayne I thought the trees were much less brittle once they were on the layout and asked him if I should call SE and see if we could get the original process - right out of the box trees or the new glycerine process trees. Wayne said with his new process it didn't matter to him and that less brittle on the layout made a lot of sense. We have both reached for something and broken the original brittle trees.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:52:20 PM
I will be planting trees where I can test the over the coming months and will update this story - I want to know if the trees will get more brittle with time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
I took a few pictures of the flocking process today and will post them here so we have everything in one place.


Here is a few of the trees after Wayne has removed the seed pods, trimmed them, and painted both the off white trunk and black spots.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153258.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:57:07 PM
Yes - occasionally a seed pod gets through. I know that Wayne is going to accuse me of finding a tree with a seed pod for this picture.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
The truth is,  that after careful examination two or three time by both of us, there are a few seed pods on the layout. I tell myself that they look like branches after the flock is on the trees.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 04:05:27 PM
Here is a picture of my setup for flocking the trees. Step one is to clamp them with a soldiering clamp and soak them in a 6:1 solution of matte medium.
I use a wide mouth jug that is a reuse of the one Scenic express packages their hydrocal in.  The clamps set on top the rim pretty well. If you look closely you will see the magnet on a stick that I use to fish them out of the glue when I knock them into the jug.


The trees soak in the matte medium about a minute while I flock a tree and clamp it to the drying line.


You will notice that I'm using five different colors of flock on this batch of trees.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153423.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
Here is a picture of the drying line.  You can get an idea of how many trees I clamp with a soldiering clamp to help straight them.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153328.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
Some of the trees will never be straight no matter what you do.  I use them on the side of hill or break them off and use just the tops for filler.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
So - that's the process for the aspen trees - please let me know if you have any questions. As I said above, Wayne will be ready for another case of trees in a couple weeks.  So he told me to order them this week so they will have time to dry before he works on them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 04:13:17 PM
I want to thank Tom for posting his experience with the new SE tree process and running down what was different.  I would have just thought the trees were green when we received them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 07:23:59 PM
A major milestone was reached today on the S&S RR. The benchwork for the HO mainline is complete.  I glued and screwed in the last section of the helix just before I shut things down for the day. Tomorrow I will probably complete the HO track with the official golden spike taking place once I get things wired up and running.  I still have another loop of this helix to go to complete the HOn3 portion of the helix.  I also have about a 12 foot straight section to complete under the layout and the HOn3 mainline will be complete.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191547.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 07:27:52 PM
I also took a picture of one of my most useful tools during the building of the benchwork - my iPad.  It works great for measuring the grade. Measuring 6 or 9 inches of surface is so much better than the smaller 2 inch device that I quit using.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191800.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191800.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
I also made progress on one other front today.  I complete flocking all the trees that Wayne had painted up (he is working on another case) and delivered. So I cleaned up the workbench and got it ready for a fresh layer of brown paper and the start of my major scratch build for this summer.  A companion building to my stone roundhouse - the S&S RR Locomotive works. I will get started on this build as soon as the golden spike is behind us.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191830.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on April 10, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
That's an expensive level.   ;D  What's the app?

Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on April 10, 2017, 09:21:59 AM
John,
Great progress.  Your trees are beautiful, and I was glad to learn how to work with the "new" trees.  Thank you for sharing your experience with us. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 10, 2017, 09:22:51 AM
That's an expensive level.   ;D  What's the app?

Jeff


Hi Jeff


The app I'm using is called Clinometer. Yes - it is an expensive level, but if you look at all the devices it has replaced it's a pretty good deal.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 10, 2017, 09:25:41 AM
John,
Great progress.  Your trees are beautiful, and I was glad to learn how to work with the "new" trees.  Thank you for sharing your experience with us.


Jerry


Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.  The process change with the super trees caused a little heart burn but I think it will be a good thing if the trees are more durable.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 10, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
Great how to for excellent looking trees. It looks like you are moving right along with the helix.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 10, 2017, 08:04:59 PM
Great how to for excellent looking trees. It looks like you are moving right along with the helix.


Curt


Thank you - progress is slow but sure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 11, 2017, 05:07:58 PM
At the end of the day today, I have 1 more foot of track to put down on the HO mainline.  The HOn3 mainline has 25 more feet of mainline and two trestle installations. I will need a few more days of laying track and a day to wire it and the S&S RR will be operational.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 11, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Looking forward to seeing a video.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 12, 2017, 07:57:48 AM
Looking forward to seeing a video.


Curt


I just bought a camera that I can mount on a train car for track inspection and train perspective video - so there just might be a video in the S&S RR's future.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Jerry on April 13, 2017, 11:37:00 AM
Hey John looks awesome looking forward to the video.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on April 13, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
A video of the layout from the tracks going to the golden spike ceremony would be neat..... ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 13, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
Hey John looks awesome looking forward to the video.

Jerry


Hi Jerry


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I have some new skills to learn before I will have video - I need to figure out how I will be editing and posting, so it may be a few months.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 13, 2017, 05:36:20 PM
A video of the layout from the tracks going to the golden spike ceremony would be neat..... ;)


Hi Greg


That is a good idea - but as I said above some new skills will be required.   We will see how it goes.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2017, 11:54:42 AM
The youngest member of the S&S RR Crew is helping with the track inspections today.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160417114852.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160417114741.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on April 16, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.

Happy Easter.


Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on April 16, 2017, 03:45:43 PM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.

Happy Easter.


Tom ;D


Looks just like a very young "YOU"

Be proud of him.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on April 16, 2017, 04:52:34 PM
I'd pay a million dollars to have a grandson to play trains with, lucky you and lucky grandson  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2017, 06:20:18 PM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.

Happy Easter.


Tom ;D


Tom


Thanks - we will keep him.   It is amazing every time I see him smile I see my dad, his great grandpa. He learned which button he need to push to make the whistle blow - he is on his way to being a model railroader.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.

Happy Easter.


Tom ;D


Looks just like a very young "YOU"

Be proud of him.

Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread.


My girls got out the old family photos - he does look a lot like me and my dad. It sure was fun to see all the excitement in his eyes with the trains - I hope it lasts.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 16, 2017, 06:35:20 PM
I'd pay a million dollars to have a grandson to play trains with, lucky you and lucky grandson  :D :D :D


My dad told me when my daughters were born they were worth a million dollars.  With all the inflation since then I figure Grandkids are worth a Billion.  Thanks for stopping by the thread. 


I bought my grandson one of the Broadway Hybrid locomotives for his first birthday.  Well actually I'm in a little hot water with the boss because I couldn't just by him one so I got one for his brother too. They will be stored in the stone roundhouse and come out for special occasions.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 16, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
Very cool John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 17, 2017, 08:42:08 AM
Very cool John.


Thanks Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
When I was out in Arizona Frank Baker introduced me to Don Ledger, the artist that made the pine trees on Frank's wonderful layout. I really liked the way the trees looked on Frank's layout and thought they would add another layer to the scenery on my layout. I ordered a test batch of trees from Don while I was there and they arrived this week.  I have been testing them in different locations on the layout and thought I would post a few pictures to see what you guys thought. If you look at pictures of the mountain scenes in the Pacific Northwest you will find a few different pine trees along with the aspen trees.  I was looking for trees that complement the caspia trees that I already have on the layout.  Take a look at the pictures and let me know what you think. I have to work on size an shape and numbers in each location.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417085024.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
Here are a couple more photographs.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417084911.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417084806.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on April 20, 2017, 09:11:29 AM
The trees look great John.....they really help make the area come alive.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:33:51 AM

Here is a different location where I test planted smaller trees on the mountain side. The size will be slightly taller than the aspen trees to help with giving the scene depth.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417091820.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
The trees look great John.....they really help make the area come alive.  8)


Greg


Thanks for stopping by the thread and for your kind words.  The scene is coming together one layer at a time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on April 20, 2017, 01:09:01 PM
You might be giving God a run for the money in planting trees!  ;-)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 20, 2017, 04:28:27 PM
Looks great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on April 20, 2017, 08:06:06 PM
Sure wish we had a "like" button.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on April 20, 2017, 08:35:36 PM
Magnificent. Those pines really add to the scene!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:00:38 PM
You might be giving God a run for the money in planting trees!  ;-)


dave


Dave


Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words.  I believe God did a perfect job creating mountain scenery - as a modeler I'm happy with a close approximation. My goal for this layout is to have some beautiful mountain scenery here in my basement in Michigan, so I can enjoy it every day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:01:06 PM
Looks great.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:02:34 PM
Sure wish we had a "like" button.

Jim


Jim


Thanks - I appreciate you stopping by to take a look.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 20, 2017, 09:03:57 PM
Magnificent. Those pines really add to the scene!


John


The locomotive I recently acquired is going to really complete the scene.  Thanks for stopping by John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on April 21, 2017, 05:20:30 AM
The two big pictures are totally awesome...
Eric Quebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on April 21, 2017, 08:04:59 AM
The trestle scene is wonderful.  The trees look great, as does everything else!


Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on April 21, 2017, 08:39:29 AM
John,
Wow!  That has to be the best modeling of a forest that I can remember seeing.  It might even be too good, with scenery like that who is going to be looking at the trains?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 08:46:21 AM
The two big pictures are totally awesome...
Eric Quebec city


Eric


Thanks for kind words. I'm looking forward to completing this scene and getting some proper lighting installed over the trestle.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 08:48:52 AM
The trestle scene is wonderful.  The trees look great, as does everything else!


Jeff


Jeff


Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words. I will soon have an area on the layout that I consider finished - if that's possible on a model railroad. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 08:51:31 AM
John,
Wow!  That has to be the best modeling of a forest that I can remember seeing.  It might even be too good, with scenery like that who is going to be looking at the trains?


Jerry


Thanks for visiting the thread and for your kind words. I'm real close to having the trains running so we will see.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on April 21, 2017, 12:39:59 PM
Like I said once before John,  looks like a nice Fall day in the mountains of "Michigan".  Nice work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on April 21, 2017, 01:23:52 PM
John,

Well, all I can say is well done, very well done.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 02:01:53 PM
Like I said once before John,  looks like a nice Fall day in the mountains of "Michigan".  Nice work.


Steve


Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 02:02:15 PM
John,

Well, all I can say is well done, very well done.

Tom ;D


Thanks Tom
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tct855 on April 21, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
John,
           I love it, really very nice work!  You were paying attention in modeling class.  Me, I'm a drop out. You definitely graduated!   Thanx Thom...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 21, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
John,
           I love it, really very nice work!  You were paying attention in modeling class.  Me, I'm a drop out. You definitely graduated!   Thanx Thom...


Thom


Thanks for stopping by. I just plan on keeping up the practicing until I get it right.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
Today, the layout swallowed up another 214 Aspen trees and 18 pine trees. It is amazing how many trees are required to make it look right.  I will try to post a couple pictures this evening.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on April 22, 2017, 02:48:07 PM
Today, the layout swallowed up another 214 Aspen trees and 18 pine trees. It is amazing how many trees are required to make it look right.  I will try to post a couple pictures this evening.


John,



More trees than anyone can imagine. I just finished making 150 Florida Slash Pines and I'm just getting started. I look forward to the photos.

Tom
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 07:04:53 PM
Today, the layout swallowed up another 214 Aspen trees and 18 pine trees. It is amazing how many trees are required to make it look right.  I will try to post a couple pictures this evening.


John,



More trees than anyone can imagine. I just finished making 150 Florida Slash Pines and I'm just getting started. I look forward to the photos.

Tom


Thanks for stopping by Tom. I'm actually keeping track of the number of trees I plant so I will have a count when I'm done.  So far, I'm over 1500 aspen trees and 250 pine trees.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
A few progress photographs of the area we were working on today.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185710.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 07:07:46 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185642.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 22, 2017, 07:36:15 PM
Outstanding. The trees really set off the scene.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Mkrailway on April 22, 2017, 08:46:45 PM
My jaw has dropped to the floor when I saw the photos. Great job!!!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on April 22, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
A few progress photographs of the area we were working on today.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg)
I look at this picture and I can imagine an impetuous torrent in the bottom of this scene.
Bravo...

Eric Quebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
Outstanding. The trees really set off the scene.


Curt


Thanks - This area is now ready for the next layers - ground cover and talus.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
My jaw has dropped to the floor when I saw the photos. Great job!!!


Marty


Thanks for the kind words - this area will be the backdrop for the towns of Sellios and VanGelder.  I will soon be in the structure building mode again. ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
A few progress photographs of the area we were working on today.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg)
I look at this picture and I can imagine an impetuous torrent in the bottom of this scene.
Bravo...

Eric Quebec city


Eric


Thanks for stopping by the thread - at the base of this scene will be the town of VanGelder with a river to power the mills.  The hole in the benchwork that you can see in some of the pictures will be the home of Bob's second kit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
It was a big day on the S&S RR, today. I ran a SW 1200 across the complete mainline and then followed with a GP7.  It took 27 minutes to complete the run at scale speed.  I have three areas that need some work before full train testing can begin.  ;) ;D  The golden spike will be set when the HOn3 mainline is complete, sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on April 23, 2017, 05:08:07 PM
It was a big day on the S&S RR, today. I ran a SW 1200 across the complete mainline and then followed with a GP7.  It took 27 minutes to complete the run at scale speed.  I have three areas that need some work before full train testing can begin.  ;) ;D  The golden spike will be set when the HOn3 mainline is complete, sometime in the next couple of weeks.

You are getting close John.  Will love to see the Golden Spike installed.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 07:43:31 PM
It was a big day on the S&S RR, today. I ran a SW 1200 across the complete mainline and then followed with a GP7.  It took 27 minutes to complete the run at scale speed.  I have three areas that need some work before full train testing can begin.  ;) ;D  The golden spike will be set when the HOn3 mainline is complete, sometime in the next couple of weeks.

You are getting close John.  Will love to see the Golden Spike installed.

Jim


Thanks Jim - I need to start thinking about how I want to add the Golden Spike.  I may need two, one for the HO and one for HOn3.  I'm thinking the best place is where the planned transfer facility will be.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on April 24, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
John,
What a terrific scene.  I love how each element in the scene compliments the other.  The talus, wonderful carving and coloring of the rock faces, and the plethora of aspen trees, the great backdrop.  All this, and the tracks winding along the cliffs. WOW!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 24, 2017, 01:40:07 PM
John,
What a terrific scene.  I love how each element in the scene compliments the other.  The talus, wonderful carving and coloring of the rock faces, and the plethora of aspen trees, the great backdrop.  All this, and the tracks winding along the cliffs. WOW!


Jerry


Thanks for stopping by and for the kind words. I'm finally getting to the point where I can start putting the finishing touches on parts of the layout.  I sure have a lot of structure builds in my future to complete this layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:02:29 PM
Yesterday, I ran the first real train over the layout and took a few railman pictures.  It has been a while since I have taken some progress shots of the overall layout so here we go.


It took 27 minutes for the train to make it's way from the staging yard in my workshop, which is at the top level of the layout, to the Eagles Nest Yard which is at the lowest level and then return.


The train was at the Mt. Allen Trestle before I thought to take some pictures.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155411.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:03:31 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:04:00 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155330.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155222.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155149.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:05:35 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155117.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155044.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155013.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on April 27, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
John, was this the area where you had some derailment problems earlier?   Looks great!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:07:15 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154933.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154933.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:08:06 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154850.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:08:32 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154809.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:08:58 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154735.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154700.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:10:02 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154631.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
John, was this the area where you had some derailment problems earlier?   Looks great!


dave


Dave


The fix on the smaller trestle is still on my to-do-list.  The GP7's don't have any issues but my 2-8-8-2 likes to jump the rails so I need to make the radius bigger.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:15:04 PM
Looking at these pictures makes me realize how many structures I have to build and scenery to finish but they do a reasonably good job of showing where the layout is at, today.  At least the trains are running!!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:16:21 PM
The eight reversing loops seem to be working just fine.  I definitely need to electrify the frogs.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
Next step, is to fix the items on my list and run longer trains.  Then it will be time to get out all those steam locomotives. I also need to finish the HOn3 track work to get the track work complete check mark.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 27, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
Excellent job on the trestle bridge.  If I remember right you had to adjust the track on the one side of the bridge. If you have a picture of that completed area can you post it?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on April 27, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 07:29:11 PM
Excellent job on the trestle bridge.  If I remember right you had to adjust the track on the one side of the bridge. If you have a picture of that completed area can you post it?


 Curt


I will post pictures when I make the changes.  It is on my list but only needed for the big steam locomotives so I haven't made it a priority, yet. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 07:32:50 PM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words.  I hope to someday achieve that affect on the whole layout.  In about a month I hope to be back in structure building mode, along with working on the scenery.  Working on the scenery makes me feel like I'm making improvements quicker.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on April 28, 2017, 03:07:23 AM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words.  I hope to someday achieve that affect on the whole layout.  In about a month I hope to be back in structure building mode, along with working on the scenery.  Working on the scenery makes me feel like I'm making improvements quicker.

Ooops , of course I meant the left side which would have been the right side to look at  ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 28, 2017, 08:36:47 AM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words.  I hope to someday achieve that affect on the whole layout.  In about a month I hope to be back in structure building mode, along with working on the scenery.  Working on the scenery makes me feel like I'm making improvements quicker.

Ooops , of course I meant the left side which would have been the right side to look at  ;)


Jan


I knew what you meant - great minds think alike. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on April 28, 2017, 03:29:29 PM
Hi John,

The pictures are great.  There must have been a lot of blasting of rock by the railroad to get the track laid through the mountains.  Looking very nice.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 28, 2017, 03:57:41 PM
Hi John,

The pictures are great.  There must have been a lot of blasting of rock by the railroad to get the track laid through the mountains.  Looking very nice.

Hi Steve

Yes - we exceeded our dynamite budget.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on April 29, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
Oh boy.....Tom's burning things down, you're blowing things up.....I must be doing something wrong?  :o :-\ ???
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2017, 10:04:24 AM
Oh boy.....Tom's burning things down, you're blowing things up.....I must be doing something wrong?  :o :-\ ???


Greg



There is no right or wrong it's your railroad. ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 29, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
The last loop of the helix up to the HOn3 mainline is cut, glued, and clamped in place.

 ;D
http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290417100652.jpeg (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290417100652.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290417100652.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on April 29, 2017, 11:55:05 AM
It looks great! I can't wait to see it in action.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on April 30, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
It looks great! I can't wait to see it in action.


Curt


Thanks - I hope to run the first HOn3 train in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 01, 2017, 09:21:38 PM
I have been doing mostly design work the past couple of days on the S&S RR. In the next few weeks I will be completing the track work and switching into structure building mode.  My time for the next few years will be split about 75% on structures and 25% on scenery and layout track and electronic improvements.  I need to electrify all of the turnout frogs, add electronic controls to all the turnouts, and continue to make improvements to track work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 03, 2017, 09:49:53 PM
I got back on the layout today - worked all day on the HOn3 Yard. I have it 90 percent laid out and plan on starting the track work tomorrow.  I should have some pictures to post by the end of the day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 04, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
As I'm finishing up the track work for this part of the layout, (expansions planned but will not be implemented until the current sections of the layout are complete) I have decided to take a few days and reorganize my workshop.  I have spent some time with some very good modelers over the years and have come to the conclusion that most of us spend a whole lot of time looking for stuff. It's not just me.  ;)  I have detail parts that I have picked up at conventions etc. stuffed in many many places all around the shop. The plan is to number all the cabinets and organize stuff in logical locations. I bought a label maker and will also be inventorying everything on my computer so I can search digitally next time for that horizontal steam engine that I just spent 2 hours looking for.  I just bought it a couple months ago.  Yes - it will take some discipline to keep it up. I'll post a few pictures when I get this project completed.  I figure it will save me a lot of time down the road.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on May 04, 2017, 06:40:47 PM
Just remember to leave your drawers/containers sparsely filled.  I usually make the mistake of packing everything in tight, and then when I need to add something the whole organization scheme falls apart!  (And as a computer scientist, I -should know better-, since the effects of overflow on packed data structures is something we study pretty early on.)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 04, 2017, 07:19:53 PM
Just remember to leave your drawers/containers sparsely filled.  I usually make the mistake of packing everything in tight, and then when I need to add something the whole organization scheme falls apart!  (And as a computer scientist, I -should know better-, since the effects of overflow on packed data structures is something we study pretty early on.)


dave


Dave


Thanks for the good advice. A big goal of this project is to know just what I have - I have already found a couple kits I didn't remember buying. I have been buying stuff at shows for this layout for 25 years and, well, the memory isn't as good as it once was. I think this is going to be time well spent.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on May 05, 2017, 07:41:42 AM
Hi John:

The helix is coming along. It look like a lot of work.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 05, 2017, 09:27:22 AM
Hi John:

The helix is coming along. It look like a lot of work.

Karl


Karl


Thanks for stopping by.  Yes - the helix has been a lot of work - this is the third and final helix required to complete my track plan.  I'm looking forward to completing it and getting back to structure building. Getting close.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Jerry on May 06, 2017, 01:14:12 PM
Hey John

Just getting caught up again.  Rock work is dead on great coloring.

Helix is taking shape an it looks like your ready to run freight.

Keep up the great work and sending those pictures.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 08:34:50 PM
Hey John

Just getting caught up again.  Rock work is dead on great coloring.

Helix is taking shape an it looks like your ready to run freight.

Keep up the great work and sending those pictures.

Jerry


Hi Jerry


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I have a few more progress pictures to post tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 08:49:01 PM
Here are a few progress shots from the last few days.


A picture of the board going in for the surface of the HOn3. Once again the iPad is a great tool to make sure it is level in all directions.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517202718.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 09:10:53 PM
Playing with elevation and views.  The tape measure is a proposed location and grade for a future road.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517203105.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 09:11:37 PM
Here it is from a different angle.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517203024.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 09:15:41 PM
At this point, I'm figuring out were and at what height I want to add the plywood base shelves that will hold the foam bases for the sections of the city that will be built on top of the helix.  The HOn3 yard and on 1/4 of one loop of the helix will be all the track work that will be visible in this area.  The rest will be a very detailed eye level city. I will modify the clay mock-up that I built for this area with the changes and use it to decide on structure, road, and scenery placement.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517202913.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517202913.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 09:16:24 PM
I sure have a lot of tools to pickup when this project is complete. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 06, 2017, 09:21:22 PM
Yes - I have a plan to hide the ugly corner.  This is the only place I didn't add a curved backdrop,  I wanted the space for structures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 06, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
Looking good. What's the grade that your tape measure is indicating?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2017, 08:49:05 AM
Looking good. What's the grade that your tape measure is indicating?


The grade in the picture is about 5 percent.  I'm going by eye ball setting up the roads for the city.  I haven't settled on a street layout yet.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2017, 08:51:48 AM
I started doing some testing of the HOn3 line with this newly acquired C-19. Does anyone recognize it?


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070517084338.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 07, 2017, 09:55:26 AM
The loco was probably before my time on here, but the rock work looks real. Well done.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on May 07, 2017, 10:00:32 AM
Looks like one of Bob Hayden's C&DR locos.

Carrabasset & Dead River RY. - Another Fallen Flag Layout.

Tom ;D 



The J. Mancuso loco. Bob Hayden's decals. Yes, I remember.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173058.jpeg)

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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2017, 10:02:24 AM
Looks like one of Bob Hayden's C&DR locos.

Carrabasset & Dead River RY. - Another Fallen Flag Layout.

Tom ;D


Tom


Look closer - I was told you worked on it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2017, 10:04:19 AM
The loco was probably before my time on here, but the rock work looks real. Well done.


Curt


I bought it from one of our forum members that was changing gauges, again. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on May 07, 2017, 10:42:05 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173025.jpeg)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114172807.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on May 07, 2017, 10:43:11 AM
John,

Do you also have the caboose?

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164801.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
John,

Do you also have the caboose?

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164801.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164801.jpeg)


Hi Tom


Yes, I also have the caboose.  The nice part about having a freelance layout is that I can buy beautiful equipment from any Railroad.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on May 07, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
It pained me to part with those...I was only able to do it because it stayed in the "family"  ;) . Tom did a great job and the decals direct from Mr. Frary himself had a special meaning to me.


It would have pained me more to have it in a box in my closet forever.


Enjoy! It's a beauty...John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 07, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
It pained me to part with those...I was only able to do it because it stayed in the "family"  ;) . Tom did a great job and the decals direct from Mr. Frary himself had a special meaning to me.


It would have pained me more to have it in a box in my closet forever.


Enjoy! It's a beauty...John


John


You know you have visitation rights.  I'd love to have you take it for a run on the S&S RR.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 10, 2017, 10:36:13 PM
I finished the back shelf that will hold the baseboards for all the structures that will some day be a city (I still need to name it). I will close the center portion with a removable hatch that will allow for maintenance and access during the construction.  I will be updating the clay mock-up with the latest levels for visualization and an aid in structure placement. The original clay mock-up is actually pretty close to how it all turned out.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100517221648.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on May 11, 2017, 06:55:05 AM
Definitely the work of an engineer. You could land a plane on that beautiful layout!  ;D


Great work John


John M.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 11, 2017, 02:03:43 PM
Looks solid as a rock.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 11, 2017, 06:33:21 PM
Definitely the work of an engineer. You could land a plane on that beautiful layout!  ;D


Great work John


John M.


Hi John


I read Howard Zane's book - he had one of his cities destroyed when someone leaned on the benchwork that was supporting it.  That shelf will hold me - field tested it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 11, 2017, 06:33:55 PM
Looks solid as a rock.


It is and it will be holding a few rocks along the way too.  Thanks for stopping by.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 11, 2017, 11:04:23 PM

I just spent the last couple of hours playing with my new toy.  I bought a new iPad Pro - my old iPad was the one Steve Jobs used for the demo it was so old. I bought it so I could mark up photographs like a saw Frank Baker do when I visited him in March.  So tonight I decided to give it a try. New machine, new software, so here is what I was able to do in 2 hours. I'm using an application called PROCREATE. The first photo is the one I posted a couple of days ago showing the benchwork and shelf in my new area.  I imported the picture, then drew tunnel portals, landforms, at tree and then added a picture of a structure that was handy. I'm going to really like this. What do you think of this for a modeling tool?




(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100517221648.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100517221648.jpeg)



(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110517225555.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110517225555.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 11, 2017, 11:11:29 PM
My next step is going to be taking proper perspective photographs of the areas I want to visualize. Then I need to collect and learning to properly scale photographs of the structures I want to add in each area. Then the games will begin.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 12, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on May 12, 2017, 11:25:25 AM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?

I agree with the comments.  That looks like a great planning tool.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2017, 01:34:18 PM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?


Hi Curt


Yes - I think it is going to come in real handy.  I plan to take pictures of the layout in the areas where I still need to plan structure placements.  I will add targets to the pictures with known dimensions so I can properly size structure pictures.  I will share a few pictures of the test results.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 12, 2017, 01:35:16 PM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?

I agree with the comments.  That looks like a great planning tool.

Jim


Hi Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I will post a few more what ifs when I get the sizing worked out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 14, 2017, 10:44:20 AM
I started to get ready to take pictures of the layout for my structure placement and design project. It seems I have collected about 500 trees that need to be planted, currently in foam pallets sitting where the town of Sellios will be built. The area where the yet to be named Seaport town will be is currently the home of all the stuff that I need to put back under the layout when the HOn3 line is complete.  And the nice shelfs I made on top of the helix in the pictures above, well, that is the current home for all my scenery stuff while I reorganize the shelves I normally keep them on.  So the pictures will wait for a few days.  That's my update for today,  back to work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 15, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
Today, I got the track laid for the little HOn3 yard.  It is a bit of a switching puzzle but it will work. This area will have a HO to HOn3 transfer facility, a HOn3 engine house,  and a Passenger terminal for my little people to switch trains from one line to the other.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150517211153.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150517211153.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 15, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
Tomorrow, I hope to wire this up and get it operational.  At that point this area will remain a plywood city until it comes time to finish the city.  That will be a few years from now - lots of structures to build and layout to finish before I will revisit this area.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on May 16, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
Hi John:

Looks good. Keep at you'll get there.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 09:15:32 AM
Hi John:

Looks good. Keep at you'll get there.

Karl


Karl


Thanks for stopping by and for the encouraging words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 16, 2017, 10:00:51 AM
It all gets done bit by bit until you realize that it's almost complete.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 10:56:06 AM
It all gets done bit by bit until you realize that it's almost complete.


Curt


That's right - It is a life long project. That's why a layout can never be complete. A section at a time. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on May 16, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
John, Do you have any Dual Gauge Track in your plans?

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 01:41:14 PM
John, Do you have any Dual Gauge Track in your plans?

Jim


Hi Jim


Not at this time.  I was going to add some dual gauge in this area but the turnouts are not available unless you make them yourself.  I don't need another project right now so I decided not to use dual gauge track.  We will see what's available when I get around to finishing this area.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: bparrish on May 16, 2017, 02:14:43 PM
John...

Harris Models in Texas shows a bunch of Shinohara dual gauge track products.

Downside.......... code 70. 

I have a NG division of Shinohara turnouts and track and if carefully laid works really well.  To convert these turnouts to DCC you only need to take out the bronze wiper under the throw bars and then power the frogs from your turnout machine.

I still have some code 70 in my Nampa Yard and the transition joiners are REALLY easy to construct.  Take your code 100 or 83 joiners and flatten half of it........ slide it on to the taller rail and then solder the 70 rail to the top of the joiner.  It works well and there is almost never a height problem with code 100 transitions.  The joiner needs so bending to make 83 work.

I double dog dare you to go for dual gauge ! ! ! !

see ya
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 07:40:55 PM
John...

Harris Models in Texas shows a bunch of Shinohara dual gauge track products.

Downside.......... code 70. 

I have a NG division of Shinohara turnouts and track and if carefully laid works really well.  To convert these turnouts to DCC you only need to take out the bronze wiper under the throw bars and then power the frogs from your turnout machine.

I still have some code 70 in my Nampa Yard and the transition joiners are REALLY easy to construct.  Take your code 100 or 83 joiners and flatten half of it........ slide it on to the taller rail and then solder the 70 rail to the top of the joiner.  It works well and there is almost never a height problem with code 100 transitions.  The joiner needs so bending to make 83 work.

I double dog dare you to go for dual gauge ! ! ! !

see ya
Bob


Bob


HI Bob 


A double dog dare! WOW. I will check out what's available  in dual gauge turnouts - I have a future project in mind.    When I first started laying this section out I looked and could not find the dual gauge turnouts available. This area just isn't big enough but there is a future town called Superior that just might have some dual gauge trackage. You are going to have to follow this thread for a few years to see it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:03:25 PM
Today, the workbenches returned to duty on the S&S RR. I restarted my Jacob's Coal build - it will be named Isaac's Coal in this case.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517195049.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
I also took another yellow box off the shelf.  I have been playing with a number of things for the corner near the Mt. Aiden Trestle. I did some measuring and the Mackenzie Milling FSM kit number 215 looks like it is going to fit with a few minor modifications.  I cut a piece of gator foam for the base of the build and tried a few different scenarios for the placement of the structures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:09:45 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517200027.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
After I got comfortable with the placement, it was back to the workbench to get started.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 16, 2017, 08:25:40 PM
It's already a amazing scene John. I look forward to seeing your progress. The walls look really thick for the milling company or is that your mock up?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
It's already a amazing scene John. I look forward to seeing your progress. The walls look really thick for the milling company or is that your mock up?


I should have explained better.  What you are looking at are the cement walls for the retaining pond.  The mill is built on top of them. I'm just playing with the footprint in the pictures. George has a very unique way of turning a block of wood into a weathered cement wall.  Stay tuned. This build is an old run down mill that hasn't been operational for years. It going to be right up front on the layout so it will be highly detailed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:43:20 PM
I was also playing with the idea of a bridge from Brambell's over to the mill but the elevations just will not work and leave enough room for the mainline.  You will notice a gauge in the picture.  Conclusion - bridge idea will not work. The hole in the fence will be filled and the stone wall adjusted.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 16, 2017, 08:48:21 PM
When these two builds are complete and planted I will be able to complete the scenery and declare a 12 foot by 8 foot section of the layout "complete".
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on May 16, 2017, 10:56:52 PM
Hi John,

Now you are talking my stuff with your structure builds.  This will be interesting to follow.

Also about your dilemma with dual HO and HON3 switches. Try Jeff Otto at Oak Hill.  He custom builds switches and I am using some of his on my layout.  his email is jeff@ohrtracksupply.com

 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on May 17, 2017, 03:41:05 AM
I have that kit too , so am very much looking forward to a build thread of it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 17, 2017, 10:05:04 PM
Hi John,

Now you are talking my stuff with your structure builds.  This will be interesting to follow.

Also about your dilemma with dual HO and HON3 switches. Try Jeff Otto at Oak Hill.  He custom builds switches and I am using some of his on my layout.  his email is jeff@ohrtracksupply.com


Steve


Thanks for the lead on turnouts. I have a lot of structure builds lined up so check back often.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 17, 2017, 10:06:48 PM
I have that kit too , so am very much looking forward to a build thread of it.


Hi Jan


I did a search of build threads on Machenzie and there is very little out there. I will try to take lots of pictures along the way.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 19, 2017, 03:31:35 PM
Here is the best thread that I found checking all the regular places.  It's right here on our own forum


http://modelersforum.com/the-official-fsm-layout-thread!/fsm-mackenzie-milling-co/
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 19, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Thanks for sharing the link John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on May 20, 2017, 03:30:17 AM
Thank you John, I wish Kimberley would show some more of her work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 07:53:39 AM
Thank you John, I wish Kimberley would show some more of her work.


I agree, she showed us some first class modeling.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:02:05 AM
Thanks for sharing the link John.


Curt


Your welcome - Like Jan said we need to talk Kimberly into sharing more of her wonderful modeling work with us.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
The structure building continued today.  Here is a progress picture for my Isaac's Coal Build (FSM Jacob's Coal) - the coal bins are starting to go together.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on May 20, 2017, 04:34:19 PM
John,

Just checking in on your progress. I've built MacKenzie Milling but no longer have it on the diorama. Jacob's has always been one of my favorites.

Of course, I'll be following along.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: engine909 on May 20, 2017, 07:44:37 PM
John,
I love Seattle and I love your modeling. You have matched that effort with posts that are incredible.
You are a very generous man. Every page is a treasure.
ed
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 07:50:58 PM
John,

Just checking in on your progress. I've built MacKenzie Milling but no longer have it on the diorama. Jacob's has always been one of my favorites.

Of course, I'll be following along.

Tom ;D


Tom


As always, good to have you following along and to have your input.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 07:51:53 PM
John,
I love Seattle and I love your modeling. You have matched that effort with posts that are incredible.
You are a very generous man. Every page is a treasure.
ed


Ed


Thanks for following along and for your kind words.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
I got a good start on the Mackenzie Milling build, today. Since I haven't been able to find a build thread on Mackenzie I will try to take pictures of most of the steps ( I have to keep remembering to take pictures). As usual, I must warn that I tend to deviate from George's wonderful instructions. It's and Engineer thing, can't look at the instructions until I get in trouble. I should also add that some of the older FSM kits recommend the use techniques that I have replaced with new - hopefully improved techniques.  So here we go:


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517192826.jpeg)


I started out the day figuring out how I wanted to paint the window castings.  I should start out by saying that this is one of the FSM builds where I'm going to model it as the run down - no longer in service mill - as George originally designed it. It is going to occupy a space (see above) that is on the other side of the tracks where the new mainline took out the spur that once serviced it.


So the freshly treated casting in the picture just had the final A&I wash.  I started with a primer coat of khaki paint. I then weathered it with two shades of grey chalk.  And then finally, set off the details with a alcohol and ink wash.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 20, 2017, 08:10:42 PM
It looks like it is coming along nicely. I really like the color choice.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:13:24 PM
Next step, was to figure out the coloring for the outside walls of the run down mill. I tried a number of different techniques and narrowed it down two.


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The bottom sample is the khaki primer paint followed by a barn red "wet brush technique" pealed heavily weathered paint.


The top sample I added the two shades of grey chalk over the khaki paint - then the barn red "wet brush" followed by Alcohol & Ink.  This samples had three different levels of the barn red paint.  I will be shooting for the middle on the actual build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:14:39 PM
It looks like it is coming along nicely. I really like the color choice.


Thanks Curt - I think choosing colors is one of the hardest steps for me in starting any build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:15:29 PM
The khaki paint that I use.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:18:05 PM
Here is the barn red paint that I'm using.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:19:11 PM
The popsicle stick in the above picture was another test of the painting technique.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:21:01 PM
For the details of the "wet brush technique"  see the Sierra West Scale Models Website or U-tube. Brett Gallant has a number of great techniques described in his "university" section of his website. If you can get a chance to attend one of his clinics - just do it!

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Next step, was getting the casting ready for the paint booth. George's casting are so good that this doesn't take long.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
This kit has a number of unique casting that gives the build that run down look.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:28:11 PM
Here is a picture after the Khaki primer.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:29:08 PM
The workbench - it didn't take very long for me to mess it up.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:29:59 PM
Here is the 1983 color add that George ran for this kit.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:30:52 PM
I paid more than $62 dollars for this kit ;) :'(
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:34:43 PM
This kit was made before laser cutting so George cutout the window openings with a table saw. The final cut is up to the modeler in some cases and the wall sections have strategic cut lines that need to be pieced together.  I save all the little pieces from the openings for test samples for coloring the next kit. The pieces I used for samples on this kit came from the Brambell's build I did last year.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 20, 2017, 08:36:03 PM
Here is how I left the walls at the end of the day - ready to test fit the window castings.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 21, 2017, 07:03:30 PM
Today, I made some more progress on my Jacob's coal build, it is amazing how many pieces of strip wood go into each of the coal bins.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 21, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
So the outside walls of the bin is made of individual boards? If so you're doing a even better job than I thought!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 22, 2017, 07:52:45 AM
I complied a couple more steps on the Mackenzie build, yesterday.  First, I glued the wall sections together. With the "before lasers" kits the windows were cut with a table saw so the wall sections were in two or three pieces.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 22, 2017, 07:54:42 AM
I also started adding the joint lines to the concrete wall sections. The joint lines are put in with a scribe. I will also be adding some cracks, chips, and distress.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on May 22, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Just caught up on your thread John.....great start on what looks to be a fun structure.....I'll be watching.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 22, 2017, 07:03:35 PM
Just caught up on your thread John.....great start on what looks to be a fun structure.....I'll be watching.  8)


Greg




Thanks for stopping by the thread, I really enjoying both of these builds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 22, 2017, 09:31:39 PM
I didn't get much bench time today but I did get the wall bracing completed.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 22, 2017, 09:32:27 PM
I also painted the inside of the walls with the Khaki primer.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 22, 2017, 09:33:12 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on May 23, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
John,
Building two of George's kits at once, and doing an awesome job with both.  Wow!

FWIW, I love those rattle can camo colors.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2017, 08:32:48 AM
John,
Building two of George's kits at once, and doing an awesome job with both.  Wow!

FWIW, I love those rattle can camo colors.


Jerry


Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words.  The camo paint in the rattle can has become my new Floquil Earth. And no airbrush to clean ;D ;D ;D .  I haven't found driftwood in a can yet but you can get there with the Khaki and some pigments.  That is what I'm doing on the Mackenzie build. I really like the look of the pigments and chalks on top of the primer color - I think it's the texture as much as the color.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 23, 2017, 10:36:53 AM
After the issue I had yesterday with the black I will follow your lead and spray the rattle can "sand" on the inside instead of black. Thanks for the idea.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2017, 11:48:47 AM
After the issue I had yesterday with the black I will follow your lead and spray the rattle can "sand" on the inside instead of black. Thanks for the idea.


I hope it works for you.  Let us know.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 23, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
I only got a few minutes of bench time in today.  I started gluing the walls together for Mackenzie. I'm using my new process of doing the assembly and then painting and weathering the walls.  Rather than doing the painting and weathering of the walls flat and then assembling. I have done this on my last couple of builds and like it better. I don't have to do all the touchup work from that assembly process. When I get all the walls together I will take it to the paint booth and spray the khaki primer coat.



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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on May 24, 2017, 07:47:29 AM
John,
Interesting approach.  I always used to assemble the structure before painting the walls, but several years ago I switched to doing the walls flat on my work area.  That has worked well fo me, but as you say, some touchup is necessary after assembly.  I'll be watching closely to see if maybe I should return to the way I used to build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on May 24, 2017, 07:49:53 AM
Hi John:

I have the Khaki & the Sand camouflage paint. I use the sand as I think it looks more like Floquil Earth for wood casting. If you have the sand give it a try and let me know what you think.

Thanks:

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
John,
Interesting approach.  I always used to assemble the structure before painting the walls, but several years ago I switched to doing the walls flat on my work area.  That has worked well fo me, but as you say, some touchup is necessary after assembly.  I'll be watching closely to see if maybe I should return to the way I used to build.


I find when I use the pigments and chalks it's easier for me to have the wall built.  If I was adding a big sign to the wall I would do that flat on the workbench.  I think there is no right or wrong on this one just what you like better.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:57:37 AM
Hi John:

I have the Khaki & the Sand camouflage paint. I use the sand as I think it looks more like Floquil Earth for wood casting. If you have the sand give it a try and let me know what you think.

Thanks:

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have the sand color too.  I use that when I want newer looking wood.  The Khaki as the primer seems to give me a older weathered wood look.  With chalks, most of the color is coming from the chalk the primer is the shadow or under layer. At least that's the way my eyes see it.  Next time I'm doing color testing I will do a side by side sample to show the different affects.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
I made some progress on both builds. First, Jacob's (now Isaac's) Coal is progressing - I have partially built bins laying all over the work bench. I glue a few sticks on each one and then move on to the Mackenzie build.  I moved between the two builds all day long as the glue dried.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Speaking of the Mackenzie build Karl suggested that I try the sand colored camo paint as the primer.  So I did.  Here is a sequence of pictures showing the progression of the process with both the sand colored primer on the top and the khaki on the bottom. The khaki sample that is shown has been through all but the A&I step. I did two samples one with the pop sickle stick and one with a scrap of the clap board.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:43:02 PM
Next step add the two shades of grey chalk.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:43:44 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:44:41 PM
Next the barn red "wet brushed" acrylic paint.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:45:46 PM
Next the A&I.  This is what it looked like wet.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Here is after it dried.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
Trying to picture what it's going to look like on the full wall.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
So then, since I had the structure partially glued together, I decided to take a look at what it would look like in the location I have picked out on the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:50:39 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:51:01 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:51:41 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:53:05 PM
So, after careful consideration, I decided to stick with the khaki for the windows and doors and go with the sand camo primer for the clapboard siding.  Thanks for the idea Karl.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 24, 2017, 08:55:12 PM
On another front or project on the S&S RR.  Don Ledger has sent me three batches of pine trees so far.  Wayne and I are going to have a couple of fun days planting trees in the next couple of weeks.  Don will be sending the smaller trees this week.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 24, 2017, 09:25:02 PM
I really liked the show and tell with the popsicle sticks. The kahki to me is surprising as my eyes see a lot of grey in it. The structure is going to look incredible built and in that location. I look forward to seeing your progress as you proceed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2017, 08:29:21 AM
I really liked the show and tell with the popsicle sticks. The kahki to me is surprising as my eyes see a lot of grey in it. The structure is going to look incredible built and in that location. I look forward to seeing your progress as you proceed.


Curt


Thanks for stopping by the thread - I'm trying to remember to take pictures along the way with these builds and the color choices are always tough for me. I go through a lot of popsicle sticks. ;)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on May 25, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
Hey, I really like those trees.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 25, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Hey, I really like those trees.

Jim


Hi Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread. I think the new trees are really going to complement the ones I already have.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on May 26, 2017, 08:30:03 AM
Looking good John.....that area of the layout is really starting to come alive.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 26, 2017, 11:36:32 AM
Looking good John.....that area of the layout is really starting to come alive.  8)


Thanks Greg - as soon as I finish these two builds I'm going to finish this section of the layout.  It's about 8 x 12 feet - I want to have a section that is finished.  At least as finished as any layout ever is.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 27, 2017, 07:13:59 PM
I made some progress on painting the castings for my two FSM builds. Primer is on all the castings and I'm starting to mount the ones that need detail painting on popsicle sticks. I will take some pictures when there is more to show.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
I  spend most of the day doing assembly work on the Mackenzie Milling build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
Here is one of the details George has on this build the clapboard siding has blown off exposing the underlayment.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:45:11 PM
I then brought in the survey crew and started the process of deciding the final location for the mill on the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:46:59 PM
After viewing the model from many different angles. I decided it needed to line up with the railing rather than the Brambell's build behind.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:49:31 PM
A few pictures of what I was looking at.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:49:57 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:52:27 PM
During this process I decided that the build was too high so I decided to lower it by 3/4 of an inch.  So the top layer of the benchwork was removed.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:53:21 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:54:17 PM
This allowed the gator board base to be lowered 3/4 of an inch.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:54:51 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:55:36 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:55:54 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 09:57:15 PM
This change really helped the look of the elevation and the base board is headed back to the workbench to glue down the concrete walls.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 10:07:42 PM
I also did some layout work for the Jacob's build.  I will be building it with 6 coal bins and the loading conveyer will be at the end of the building.


Here are a few pictures of the base board in place on the layout with the bin roof cards used to establish the space required.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 28, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on May 29, 2017, 07:28:14 AM
Looks great John. Watching your layout progress is like time lapse of the real thing. First, there are these massive natural scenes of rocky cliffs. Then, the trestles creep in and provide access followed by structures leading to populated little areas among the mountains. Beautiful work!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
Looks great John. Watching your layout progress is like time lapse of the real thing. First, there are these massive natural scenes of rocky cliffs. Then, the trestles creep in and provide access followed by structures leading to populated little areas among the mountains. Beautiful work!


John


John


Thank you for following the thread and for the kind words.  Taking this approach has really helped me make the scenes look natural. The mountain locations were in many cases dictated by hiding some feature of the basement like the support polls, heating ducts, plumbing, stairs, and the general shape of the room. So the track layout was very much like build a real railroad - how do I get a train from here to there with all these mountains in the way. It helps to love mountains and mountain scenery.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 29, 2017, 11:43:35 AM
Very nice work John. I bet it was a pain removing a layer of plywood  without destroying everything around it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
Very nice work John. I bet it was a pain removing a layer of plywood  without destroying everything around it.


Hi Curt


It wasn't to bad.  I put a router bit on the dremel so I would only cut down 3/4 of an inch and cut out the opening.  Getting the plywood loose from the old layout benchwork was a pain - a chisel was required. If you look closely in the hole that I created you can see the old location of a light house from my previous layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on May 29, 2017, 05:28:15 PM
.... If you look closely in the hole that I created you can see the old location of a light house from my previous layout.
Layout archeology!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
.... If you look closely in the hole that I created you can see the old location of a light house from my previous layout.
Layout archeology!


dave


Exactly! I can't tell you how many times I have found tools when I cut into the old benchwork. Files, track cutters, templates, etc.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:19:40 PM
Today, I got on a roll with the Mackenzie build.  I finished the bracing on the main structure and finished scribing the concrete wall section. Then I started gluing the concrete wall sections to the base board. I made a few minor changes to make the wall sections fit the location on my layout. I also added a wood section that will help fit the build into the layout. This following few pictures describes the build sequence.


Final location established.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:21:06 PM
Gluing the concrete wall sections to the baseboard.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201552.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:21:30 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201658.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
Test fit.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:22:43 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201811.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 08:23:30 PM
Time to let the glue dry - back to the Jacob's build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on May 30, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
John,
Coming nicely, I'll be following along as usual. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on May 30, 2017, 07:46:40 AM
Excellent job. I look forward to it coming together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 30, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
John,
Coming nicely, I'll be following along as usual.


Hi Jerry


Thanks for following along and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 30, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
Excellent job. I look forward to it coming together.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on May 30, 2017, 08:40:39 PM
Today, I decided to tackle the trestle radius problem that I posted a few weeks back.  I have been dreading this job - I hate redo's.


Just to remind everyone I got to cute with an S curve between the two Mt. Aiden trestles and have had some problems with derails with the big steam locomotives. I need to remove the S curve - even though I stuck to a 28 inch radius and have a 3 inch straight between the two radii - it just to much for the big guys.


So today, I removed the track off the small trestle without having any problems with damaging the trestle. I have a plan on the repair - but what I didn't do is take a picture.  I'm going to be working on an outside project for the next couple of days but when I return to the layout I will take some progress pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2017, 07:55:44 PM
I managed to get a few hours at the workbench this morning before I started all my outside chores.  Added the support pilers for the structure on the Mackenzie build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174423.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2017, 07:56:28 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174505.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2017, 07:57:00 PM
I also applied a coat of primer to the cement work.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174539.jpeg)


Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 03, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174614.jpeg)


Really new cement.  Next we need to age it about a 100 years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on June 04, 2017, 06:48:44 AM
John,
That looks more like a newly whitewashed barn, looking forward to seeing it age 100 years right before my eyes.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 07:58:37 AM
John,
That looks more like a newly whitewashed barn, looking forward to seeing it age 100 years right before my eyes.


Jerry 


Your are correct - very light grey. It does do a good job of sealing the wood.  I'm going to be adding lots of scenery to this and I don't want the wood to warp.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on June 04, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
Great job John..... 8)  That's going to make some great looking poured in place concrete walls!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on June 04, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
Are you sure that isn't poured concrete ?  Looks real to me.
You sure do good work.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on June 04, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color.  ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 02:31:08 PM
Great job John..... 8)  That's going to make some great looking poured in place concrete walls!


Greg


Well, so far so good, I'm real curious to see how the cracks look after the weathering. Most of the color will come from the pigments and chalks to follow.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 02:32:31 PM
Are you sure that isn't poured concrete ?  Looks real to me.
You sure do good work.

Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. Now, I need to make this concrete look like it was poured a 100 years ago.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color.  ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)


dave


Dave


I plan to have a lot of olive in the next few steps.  Pigments will be my tool of choice. The little bit of water that will be in the bottom is going to be real green and slimy. I use mostly pigments, pan pastels, and chalks from here on out.  With A&I thrown in for the darkening and highlighting. Let's see where it takes us.  I have a lot of surface to practice on because it will be covered in the final diorama.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on June 04, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color.  ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)


dave


Dave


I plan to have a lot of olive in the next few steps.  Pigments will be my tool of choice. The little bit of water that will be in the bottom is going to be real green and slimy. I use mostly pigments, pan pastels, and chalks from here on out.  With A&I thrown in for the darkening and highlighting. Let's see where it takes us.  I have a lot of surface to practice on because it will be covered in the final diorama.
I was suggesting that some concrete does have a slight green tinge to it (independent of pond slime :-) )


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color.  ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)


dave


Dave


I plan to have a lot of olive in the next few steps.  Pigments will be my tool of choice. The little bit of water that will be in the bottom is going to be real green and slimy. I use mostly pigments, pan pastels, and chalks from here on out.  With A&I thrown in for the darkening and highlighting. Let's see where it takes us.  I have a lot of surface to practice on because it will be covered in the final diorama.
I was suggesting that some concrete does have a slight green tinge to it (independent of pond slime :-) )


dave


Dave


I understood what you meant - there is a a lot of green in concrete depending on how much sun it sees. I made some progress with the weathering today, I will post some pictures tomorrow.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on June 05, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Most regular mixes of concrete have a slight greenish tint when it is poured.

Depending on humidity and temperature, it generally lightens within a short amount of time.  :)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 10:33:44 AM
Most regular mixes of concrete have a slight greenish tint when it is poured.

Depending on humidity and temperature, it generally lightens within a short amount of time.  :)


Hi Greg


I remember new concrete being referred to as green make in my days of doing construction with my Dad.  The green started to disappear as the concrete dried.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 10:34:53 AM
So here are a couple pictures of my aging concrete as it sits on my workbench this morning.  I will post detailed pictures of the steps I went through to get to this point later today. What do you think?


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 10:37:07 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 05, 2017, 01:07:04 PM
I think you did a great job, and I believe you said previously that it's supposed to be old.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 03:10:40 PM
I think you did a great job, and I believe you said previously that it's supposed to be old.


Curt


Thanks for your comments, yes - this is going to be an old and run down abandoned mill. Most of the cement work will be hidden but I want what shows to look right.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on June 05, 2017, 03:31:44 PM
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice , great looking concrete, very convincing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on June 05, 2017, 06:00:57 PM
Concrete looks great, John.

Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice , great looking concrete, very convincing.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
Concrete looks great, John.

Jeff


Jeff


Thanks.  After letting it sit on my workbench for the day, while I was back working on the fine tuning of the track work, I have decided that I'm happy with it for now.  Any changes will be part of the fine detailing at the end of the build.  I often need to just get away from a project for a day and come back and take a second look before I decided, it's done.
 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:05:25 PM
As promised, here are the detailed steps in the process I used for the concrete walls. The first step, as reported above was the premier which was a very light gray.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
Next, I used the Neutral Grey Shade Pan Pastel. Which to me is the color of cured concrete.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617083630.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:08:26 PM
After more progress.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617084307.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
I should mention that all of the joint lines and cracks and chips were added using a scribe or a rotary tool with a fine diamond cutter.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:34:53 PM
After all of the surfaces had been covered, using the sponge applicator, with the neutral grey shade I covered everything with a coat of A&I (my two tsp. to the quart of alcohol solution) with a 1/2 inch brush. This highlighted the cracks and joints along with the saw marks and woodgrain of the original wood.  I think this really helps make it look like ported concrete - because wood forms would have been used in the original construction.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617193425.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:38:30 PM
I then added some dark green and lighter brown pastels in a pattern that ended up looking like camouflage before they are blended.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617085742.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:40:05 PM
I also added a lighter shade of grey because I thought it was getting a little to dark.  All four colors of pan pastels can be seen in this picture.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617191809.jpeg)




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:41:40 PM
You will also notice from the picture above that the camouflage look is now gone. I do this by blending everything together with the large brush shown in this picture.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:42:09 PM
It is not until the blending process that it starts to look right.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:43:27 PM
I also added the two inlet pipes and painted them rail brown  and then followed with a dark rust pan pastel.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 05, 2017, 07:46:14 PM
At this point I have described the steps I went through to produce the color and look of the concrete walls as they sit on my workbench, today.  I'm now going to move on to the structure and leave any further detailing work on the concrete wall until the end where I will blend in the scenery materials for the final scene.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jerryrbeach on June 06, 2017, 07:04:40 AM
John,
That's a great transformation from primer to aged concrete, thanks for the photos and explanation. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on June 06, 2017, 08:34:34 AM
Thanks for the great tutorial photos!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 06, 2017, 09:32:20 AM
John,
That's a great transformation from primer to aged concrete, thanks for the photos and explanation.


Jerry


Thanks for the kind words and for following the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 06, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
Thanks for the great tutorial photos!


dave


Dave


Thanks for stopping by the thread and your welcome on the photos. I hope someone finds them helpful.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on June 06, 2017, 10:56:17 AM
Hard to believe that wall has set around for100 years and the building still isn't done.

Great looking job John.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 06, 2017, 04:05:10 PM
Hard to believe that wall has set around for100 years and the building still isn't done.

Great looking job John.

Jim


Jim


Good point - I'm going to build it and then make it look 100 years old. Welcome to model railroading.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 07, 2017, 04:25:16 PM
I have been spending the time I had for the layout the last couple of days working on the track changes to the Mt. Aiden Trestle. With the changes I can achieve a 28 inch minimum radius and eliminate the S curve. I think it's going to work!  ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 08, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
I'm interested in how you fixed the problem. Can you post a picture?  :)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 08, 2017, 02:11:15 PM
I'm interested in how you fixed the problem. Can you post a picture?  :)


Curt


I will this weekend - I'm currently on Grandpa duty taking care of my Grandson so his mother can sleep. My daughter works 12 hour nursing shifts at night. I help out when she has to work during the week. Actually finding it to be a lot of fun spending time with him.  I missed a lot of this with my own kids working 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 08, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
The track issue with my trestles is that I created an artistic S curve between the large and small trestles of Mt. Aiden. The trains looked great going through the S but I broke the rule of having a straight between the two curves that was at least as long as my longest locomotive.  The big steam locomotives were derailing. Now, the trains will go around the curve have a straight and then go around the second curve. As I said above, I will post pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:24:25 PM
The trestle track changes have been completed and tested. The problem has been solved.  The next few posts will describe the solution.


Here is what the track work through the area looked like before the changes.  Minimum radius was 28 inches with an S curve.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617190656.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:26:02 PM
This track configuration worked fine with the diesels and the smaller steam locomotives. But when the larger steam locomotives got to the sharper radius combined with the S they derailed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:46:52 PM
This is the new track configuration with a minimum of a 32 inch radius and 10 inches of straight rail between the two radii.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194553.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:52:53 PM
The new track work was tested first with a 3 locomotive diesel consist with a number of box cars a passenger car and a caboose.


This train was test run across the trestle at increasing speeds through the scale speed ranges without incident. At this point the train was run at "Judge Speed" also with out incident.  I learned about Judge speed from Tom Langford's build thread. It seems the Judge is a little heavy on the throttle. 


Here is the test train.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
Here is the test train traveling the length of the trestles at "Judge Speed".  ;)


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194145.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:56:28 PM
The next step was to get the largest steam locomotive owned by the S&S RR - a locomotive acquired from the Union Pacific Number 3671 a 2-8-8-2.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617193814.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
This locomotive was tested back and forth through the two trestles with increasing speeds without incident.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617193814.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 08:00:50 PM
The Engineer on the 2-8-8-2 was not going to be outdone by a diesel so the locomotive was tested at full speed ( speed step 126) both forward and backward. After 12 test runs the problem was declared solved.  This part of the railroad is ready for the Judge and/or my Grandkids to visit.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194000.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194000.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 08:01:14 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617193629.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 10, 2017, 08:05:46 PM
It should be noted that the 2-8-8-2 locomotive couldn't get across the small trestle at any speed before the changes. This was also true for any of the 2-8-2 locomotives in the S&S RR fleet.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on June 10, 2017, 08:46:11 PM
That's an accomplishment of the first order!  I like the "zoom-zoom" photos, too.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 10, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
Great job, it definitely sounds like it's fixed.. Can you post a picture like the one showing the problem so we see how you fixed it?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 07:27:35 AM
That's an accomplishment of the first order!  I like the "zoom-zoom" photos, too.


dave




Dave


Thanks for stopping by - yes one more check mark. It is amazing how a small change in track work can make all the difference in the world.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 07:31:16 AM
Great job, it definitely sounds like it's fixed.. Can you post a picture like the one showing the problem so we see how you fixed it?


Curt


Take a look at the picture on the bottom of page 31.  The big difference is that there is a 10 inch straight between the two curves. I also went from a 28 inch radius minimum radius on the smaller trestle curve to a 32 inch minimum.  I added about a 1/2 inch of planking on the close end of the trestle.  It is all hid by the landform.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
One more point on the track work changes.  I didn't take the S completely out of the track so I still have the winding train look that I was looking for in the first place.  I just added a straight section in-between the transition of the two radii.  And I also added 4 inches to the radius across the smaller trestle.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on June 11, 2017, 08:32:10 AM
Hi John.....great fix with your "S" curve.  8)

Just a small correction to your post above. In order to set the record straight and to keep the judge from an undeserved bad reputation.....the Judge, being the judge, does almost everything on the up and up, including running at or below the posted speeds on  the A&S.

I, however, am the resident scofflaw, when it comes to blowing by the posted speeds at "Greg Speed." I have tried to behave, but I am so used to going 150 to 200 mph in a small plane that running a loco that slowly gives me the shakes something fierce. It takes a Diet Pepsi and a couple of hours rest to settle down from the ordeal.

I do however behave when I visit other layouts. I wouldn't want to get a bad reputation in the hobby.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 08:42:13 AM
Hi John.....great fix with your "S" curve.  8)

Just a small correction to your post above. In order to set the record straight and to keep the judge from an undeserved bad reputation.....the Judge, being the judge, does almost everything on the up and up, including running at or below the posted speeds on  the A&S.

I, however, am the resident scofflaw, when it comes to blowing by the posted speeds at "Greg Speed." I have tried to behave, but I am so used to going 150 to 200 mph in a small plane that running a loco that slowly gives me the shakes something fierce. It takes a Diet Pepsi and a couple of hours rest to settle down from the ordeal.

I do however behave when I visit other layouts. I wouldn't want to get a bad reputation in the hobby.  ;D ;D ;D




Oh - I don't want to get in trouble with the Judge.  I was referring to a few comments that Tom made about his Engineering in a couple of the video's.  So, I will now refer to  full throttle operations as Greg's speed here on the forum.  Thanks for the correction Greg.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 09:02:11 AM
Here is a picture of the changes to the trestles with just the track gauges in place.  First gauge is a 10 inch straight, followed by 2 - 32 inch radius curves then a 34, 36 and 40 inch radius transition on to the straight track on the far right.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on June 11, 2017, 10:07:12 AM
Looks awesome John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 01:28:20 PM
Looks awesome John.


Curt


Thanks!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 11, 2017, 08:09:49 PM
I spent most of the day today running trains.  I'm real happy with the way things are running at this point.  A few areas to work on but that's to be expected. The only real problem area is the hidden helix that I had to build in the mountain.  I'm getting some uncoupling
and a few derailments and can't figure out what's causing them.  Next step will be to run the camera car through the layout and see if I can spot the trouble.  Tomorrow, I think I'm going to plant the more than 400 trees I have made ahead. It will be amazing how fast the layout swallows them up. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2017, 01:44:43 PM
Update 06/15/17: I have been spending what time I had for the layout the last few days planting trees, and cleaning up for a open house that I'm hosting for the local train gang. After this process is complete I'm going to start focusing on a square foot at a time with scenery and structures. I have a few track work improvement projects and about 40 feet of the Narrow Gauge line to complete that will be my diversion project when I'm waiting for the glue to dry.  Like most summers I have smaller blocks of time to devote to the layout so I want projects where I can get something done in a few hours and that are easy to start and stop.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on June 15, 2017, 07:24:57 PM
John,

I just ordered 1 1/2 bushels of super trees from SE. Building trees is boring but I sure love the end result of how they look on the layout.

Looking forward to what you will be doing with yours. Your layout is wonderful and the mountain scenery is the best I've seen - ANYWHERE!

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 15, 2017, 09:32:00 PM
John,

I just ordered 1 1/2 bushels of super trees from SE. Building trees is boring but I sure love the end result of how they look on the layout.

Looking forward to what you will be doing with yours. Your layout is wonderful and the mountain scenery is the best I've seen - ANYWHERE!

Tom ;D


Tom


Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 19, 2017, 12:04:50 PM
I had a great Father's day weekend running trains with my Grandsons.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190617115558.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 20, 2017, 08:42:08 AM
Update: Since I have the benchwork all cleaned off for a Show and Tell session with my local rail gang, I'm going to take a series of walking tour pictures of the layout.  I will be posting them later in the week.  The pictures will serve as a design baseline that I can markup and use for structure design and placement. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: engine909 on June 20, 2017, 07:00:02 PM
John,
That is the best picture I have seen of someones layout in years. You and those two boys are what's it's all about.
I now know you much better. Thank you for greatly enhancing my day. That picture I will save and look at often.
I hope the AK books you got enhance your weathering. From what I see you are quite good without them.
You are a very cool dude.
ed
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 21, 2017, 09:06:50 AM
John,
That is the best picture I have seen of someones layout in years. You and those two boys are what's it's all about.
I now know you much better. Thank you for greatly enhancing my day. That picture I will save and look at often.
I hope the AK books you got enhance your weathering. From what I see you are quite good without them.
You are a very cool dude.
ed


Ed


Thanks for stopping by the the thread and the kind words. The Grandsons enjoy running trains on the layout and finding what I have changed since their last visit.  I agree that it's one of the best parts of the hobby.  I will be spending a few hours in my gazebo this summer seeing what I can learn from the AK books.  They look great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 23, 2017, 09:45:54 AM
The Superior & Seattle RR has survived our first open house. The trains ran! ;) :o ;D  I hosted a few of the local train gang members an operations group.  I learned a few things in the process - the biggest take away is that getting the layout ready for a showing is a lot of work. I have gained a new respect for all the layout owners that have hosted me over the years. Thank you.  I also want to thank Wayne Olson for his help and for manning the throttle while I talked about all the plans for things to come. We only had one mishap, I decided to run a train while I was talking and ran a switch. :-[  I need to get the electronic turnout controls operational before my next group of visitors. Finally, I want to thank everyone that came to visit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 23, 2017, 09:48:54 AM
Today,  while the benchwork is clean, I'm going to take a series of pictures that I will use for design and structure placement.  I will be sharing the pictures and the plans over the coming weeks in posts here on the forum. I'm planning on doing this once a year so I have a history of the progress towards completion from here on out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on June 24, 2017, 08:46:04 PM
I'm back working on my Isaac's Coal build.  I had three sessions today of gluing more of the supports on the coal bins.  Here is a picture after one of them.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
I'm just about done with all six of the coal bins for Isaac's Coal. There are an amazing number of details to add to these coal bins. I will be touching up the coloring (lots of cut ends and edges to color) and then the next step will be to glue them to the roof card. It will start looking like a coaling facility, soon.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on July 04, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
You've bin hard at work, John!


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 04, 2017, 12:27:48 PM
They  look great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
You've bin hard at work, John!


dave


Dave


Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have a few hours in those coal bins but I'm happy with the way they are turning out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on July 04, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
Those are some really neat looking coal bins John.  Love to see them in place.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2017, 05:11:26 PM
They  look great John.


Curt


Thanks, I have some work to do to get the colors right.  Chalk and alcohol will do the trick.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 04, 2017, 07:34:45 PM
Those are some really neat looking coal bins John.  Love to see them in place.

Jim


Thanks, Jim.  I should be gluing them to the base board later this week.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Donato on July 05, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
You've bin hard at work, John!


dave
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Donato on July 05, 2017, 12:40:30 PM
Great work John.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 05, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
Great work John.


Thanks Donato.  I know it's really play but don't tell anyone - I'm enjoying my second childhood.  ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on July 05, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
John,

I'm just getting up to date on your thread. I love the coal bins, great job on them. I have the coal bunker FSM kit but not sure I'll be able to use it, unless I can fit it in on center portion of my layout.

Wonderful family picture of you and the boys. What a great photo of have for father's Day.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 05, 2017, 07:20:29 PM
John,

I'm just getting up to date on your thread. I love the coal bins, great job on them. I have the coal bunker FSM kit but not sure I'll be able to use it, unless I can fit it in on center portion of my layout.

Wonderful family picture of you and the boys. What a great photo of have for father's Day.

Tom ;D


Hi Tom


Thanks for stopping by and getting caught up.  I have the FSM coal bunker on my build list - it will go on the back side of my Eagles Nest yard on the end with the Stone Round House.


We gave the layout a good workout running trains last week - I had my Grandsons and two of my nephews here for three days running trains.  One of my nephews is in his 20's and the other is 14 and the trains kept them off the computer games. I was impressed.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 06, 2017, 08:37:16 AM
That's unusual John. Great job.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on July 06, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
Hi John:

Glad you had a good Father's Day with your Grandsons. Isaac's cola is looking pretty good to.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 08:38:40 PM
Hi John:

Glad you had a good Father's Day with your Grandsons. Isaac's cola is looking pretty good to.

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Today, the newly acquired S&S RR Locomotive -  GN 1147 2-8-0 was photographed being tested on the S&S RR.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 09:58:06 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 09:58:38 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 09:59:00 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 09:59:22 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 09:59:43 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:00:07 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
I also made some progress on my Issac's Coal build.  I started by touching up the coloring of the coal bins.  Here is a picture of the pallet of four chalk colors that I'm using on this build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
The next step was to glue the coal bins to the top cards.  This was done upside down.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717210550.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:06:38 PM
Here is a picture of the back side of the coal bins when the glue was dry and all six were turned back on their legs.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:07:21 PM
You can see how the colors are more even now.  I still have one more round of blending and touchup to do. Then it will be time for the detailing.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
This is were I left off for the day on this build - just started gluing the roof assembly together. Remember, this is a double kit so there will be two groups of three coal bins.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:11:40 PM
I also made some progress on my Mackenzie Milling build. The main structure assembly was completed and it made it's way to the paint booth for the primer coat.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213151.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
Here are a few pictures after the sand color was added.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:17:59 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
Next step is to add the chalks.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 06, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Here is a photograph of the smaller structure component after the chalks are applied.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 07, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
It looks great on the trestle.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2017, 08:34:47 PM
It looks great on the trestle.


Thanks Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
I made some more progress today on the Mackenzie Build.  Here is a picture of the small structure after the A&I step.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2017, 08:37:27 PM
I then added the barn red using the Brett Gallent wet brushing technique.  Here is a picture of the pallet card, the brush and the paper towel I used to remove most of the paint.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 07, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
Here is the structure after the paint was applied.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 08, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
That's going to look great when put all together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 01:19:00 PM
That's going to look great when put all together.


Curt


Thanks - it's coming along slow but sure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on July 08, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
John, do you thin the paint or is it as it comes out of the bottle?  Looks great.


Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on July 08, 2017, 05:14:15 PM
Superb, the coal bins are awesome.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
John, do you thin the paint or is it as it comes out of the bottle?  Looks great.


Jeff


Jeff


The paint is right out of the bottle.  I need to put a warning label on this, though.  Wipe the brush on the paper towel until you think you got all the paint out of it. Then, wipe it across the structure.  I'm using about a 3/8 inch brush.  It took some practice before I was ready to do the real structure. The bottom line is a am really liking this technique. For the builds on the layout that will be in the run down or slightly run down state this is my technique of choice.  Again, credit goes to Brett Gallent of SierraWest who taught me the technique at a Narrow Gauge Clinic a few years back. Brett also has a video of the technique on U-tube - at least it was there a year ago when I decided to freshen up my recollection of the technique.  If you go out and find it, please post a note or link here so everyone can find it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
Superb, the coal bins are awesome.


Jan


Thanks, I'm trying to figure out what I want to do for shingles right now.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:10:00 PM
So here are a few pictures of the Mackenzie Milling main structure walls after the signs were added and the wet brushing technique was used.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:10:52 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:11:12 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:14:03 PM
The next step is to get all the window and door casting along with the detail casting painted. The window castings are going to get the same chalk treatment that I used on the wood structure with the three colors of gray chalk. Then, I will give them a once over with A & I and glue them to the walls.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:18:51 PM
You will notice that I'm assembling the structure before I paint it.  I did this for the first time with my Brambell's build and I like the way it's working out.  When I painted everything flat and then assembled I found that I was doing a lot of touchup work.  So far I have no reason to go back to the old technique.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:21:28 PM
And now for an update on my second build, Isaac's Coal.  Here is an overall picture of where I'm at.  You are looking at the front side of half of the structure and the back side of the other half. It's just where I was at when I took the picture. ;)


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on July 08, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
Very nicely done .... two thumbs up my friend
Eric Quebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 06:57:57 PM
Very nicely done .... two thumbs up my friend
Eric Quebec city


Eric


Thanks for stopping by and for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:00:03 PM
My next step on Isaac's coal is to pick the color for the cedar shingle roof. Here are a few pictures of the choices.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:00:27 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:00:49 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:01:08 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:01:30 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:01:53 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 07:03:24 PM
Right now I'm leaning toward the grey shingles and making any changes to the color to make them look like they have been in a coal dust environment using chalks. I would be interested in your opinion.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on July 08, 2017, 07:39:30 PM
Any other color shingles would turn grey, anyway, with all the coal dust.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 08, 2017, 08:08:28 PM
Looks really good.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on July 08, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
John,
I like the Grey shingles the best.

When you get done with the chalks, I think they will look Awesome.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
Any other color shingles would turn grey, anyway, with all the coal dust.


dave


Dave


Yes - I believe you are correct.  Looks like a need to order some more grey shingles so I know I'll have enough.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on July 08, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
I like 3 and 4 , but they will all look good.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
Looks really good.


Curt


Thanks - the window castings should really help balance it out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 08:48:09 PM
John,
I like the Grey shingles the best.

When you get done with the chalks, I think they will look Awesome.

Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread and the words of encouragement - we will see how they look on the building.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 08:49:48 PM
I like 3 and 4 , but they will all look good.


Jan


I understand why you like the way 3 and 4 look - blend right in with the rest of the structure - and I can blend some chalk in to get that color if the grey doesn't look good on the building.  I'm looking for some contrast - I can never tell until I see it on the structure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on July 09, 2017, 04:03:14 AM
I like 3 and 4 , but they will all look good.


Jan


I understand why you like the way 3 and 4 look - blend right in with the rest of the structure - and I can blend some chalk in to get that color if the grey doesn't look good on the building.  I'm looking for some contrast - I can never tell until I see it on the structure.

Yes , exactly John, for contrast the grey will be great.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 09, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
I completed one half of one building with the grey shingles today. Here is a photograph before weathering and pigeons.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090717155410.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 09, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
Great job. The shingles are awesome.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on July 10, 2017, 08:14:51 AM
Looking good John..... 8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2017, 09:47:58 AM
Thanks Greg and Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Update on the track work testing:  I started this build thread with the idea of posting all the things I wished I had read on someone else's thread before I started to design and build my second layout.


So here is a lesson learned.  Minimum main line radius 36 inches with #8 turnouts is the new standard on the S&S RR.


Previous standard: 28 inch minimum radius with #6 turnouts.


The reason: I want to be able to run steam locomotives reliably.


I just ordered the curved turnouts I needed to implement this new standard. After running trains for a couple weeks the only place I was having troubles, and only with the steam locomotives, was with #6 turnouts and curve radii below 34 inches. I changed out a 7 1/2 curved turnout that caused a few derailments with the steam locomotives with a #8 and the problems went away.


FYI: 7 1/2 curved turnout has a 32 inch and 28 inch radius
       8       curved turnout has a 36 inch and 32 inch radius


Switching out the turnouts is going to cost me a few EXPO dollars and a few days work but I think it will make big difference to the running of the layout.  It is a little challenging in places "this is a mountain layout" but I have decided to take this little step backwards.  If you are reading this thread making notes for your layout "this is a big deal".
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 10, 2017, 11:24:01 AM
One more note on the minimum radius issue.  If you read the manufactures specifications on the locomotives I'm running they all say minimum radius of 18 inches.  Maybe at yard speed. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2017, 08:00:17 PM
I made some progress on the Mackenzie Build, today.  I finished adding the walls so I could do more of the detailing on my workbench before I plant the diorama on my layout.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717195715.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
The idea with these walls is that they will hold the sand and scenery materials until the diorama gets to the layout and then I will blend it in with the rest of the scenery.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2017, 08:03:06 PM
Back on the workbench.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717193558.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2017, 08:03:57 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717195522.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
I then painted the walls black and started to add some foam filler for the land forms.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717193705.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 12, 2017, 08:06:32 PM
That's going to be a great addition to your layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 12, 2017, 08:08:19 PM
That's going to be a great addition to your layout.


Curt


Thanks - I'm real happy with the way it's turning out so far.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 13, 2017, 08:01:34 PM
Today's update: I will be adding the sand and scenery materials along with finishing the window casting installation next on the Mackenzie build.


On the Isaac's coal build I'm building the front platforms while I wait for more shingles to arrive.


My main project is replacing the 7 1/2 curved turnouts with number 8's.  It is amazing how much difference this makes with the steam locomotives.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 15, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
I had a very nice chat with George Sellios, yesterday.  He told me that he is enjoying retirement and spending a lot of time working on his layout.  He said he is reviewing the pictures we are posting on the forum and finding ways to make the scenes better. Usually, by adding more details or mini-scenes.  I can't wait to get back to the F&SM for a visit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 20, 2017, 08:34:37 PM
Update:  My layout time has been very limited the last few weeks - it's the busy summer season.  We need to take advantage of the nice weather while we have it.  I have been getting a few hours a day which I have been using to make the track adjustments and changes that we found with the testing.  Progress is being made but at a summer time pace. ;) 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ReadingBob on July 21, 2017, 08:07:17 AM
I had a very nice chat with George Sellios, yesterday.  He told me that he is enjoying retirement and spending a lot of time working on his layout.  He said he is reviewing the pictures we are posting on the forum and finding ways to make the scenes better. Usually, by adding more details or mini-scenes.  I can't wait to get back to the F&SM for a visit.

I wouldn't think that's possible yet I'm certain George will find a way to prove me wrong.   :D  :D  :D

Mackenzie's is coming along nicely.  I built that one a long, long time ago.  Like every other FSM kit I've built over the years it was a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on July 21, 2017, 11:19:09 AM
Hi Bob:

I was at the F&SM in June and it just keeps getting better. I very much enjoyed my visit. I talk with George Regularly and yes he is enjoying his retirement.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 22, 2017, 10:43:39 AM
I had a very nice chat with George Sellios, yesterday.  He told me that he is enjoying retirement and spending a lot of time working on his layout.  He said he is reviewing the pictures we are posting on the forum and finding ways to make the scenes better. Usually, by adding more details or mini-scenes.  I can't wait to get back to the F&SM for a visit.

I wouldn't think that's possible yet I'm certain George will find a way to prove me wrong.   :D :D :D

Mackenzie's is coming along nicely.  I built that one a long, long time ago.  Like every other FSM kit I've built over the years it was a lot of fun.


Hi Bob


Thanks for stopping by the thread. George called last week and gave me an update on the changes he is making.  As Karl mentioned he is really enjoying retirement. I told him I'm buying a new camera and we talked about doing another photo shoot in a year or so when George has made a lot of changes.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 22, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
Hi Bob:

I was at the F&SM in June and it just keeps getting better. I very much enjoyed my visit. I talk with George Regularly and yes he is enjoying his retirement.

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for stopping by - George does sound really happy with his decision to retire.  He told me about your choice for his next kit but he said "I am done".  He is having to much fun working on his layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2017, 09:45:33 PM
I got back on my Mackenzie Milling build today.  I added some sand to complete the landforms.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240717214236.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
Wet it all down to prepare for the glue.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240717213619.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2017, 09:47:34 PM
I then added lots of 4:1 water:white glue until it was completely soaked.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240717214307.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 24, 2017, 09:48:32 PM
I use beach sand over the foam to fill in my land forms.  The next step will be to add the dirt and rocks that will be the top layer. For now it's time to let the glue dry.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
I managed to get a couple hours in at the workbench,  again today.  I added more of the window castings on the Mackenzie build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250717191036.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250717191036.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on July 25, 2017, 07:20:56 PM
Great dilapidated modeling John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on July 25, 2017, 09:05:21 PM
Very nice work. I'm not sure for the colour of chimney (too red in my opinion), but the wall colour and weathering are just outstanding.

Eric Quebec city

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2017, 09:06:21 PM
Great dilapidated modeling John.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 25, 2017, 09:08:54 PM
Very nice work. I'm not sure for the colour of chimney (too red in my opinion), but the wall colour and weathering are just outstanding.

Eric Quebec city


Eric


Thanks for the kind words - you are absolutely correct on the chimney - I have only applied the primer quote - I plan on rusting it up with chalks and powders. I'm finding I like doing the detail coloring once things are in place. You can see a couple places where the window castings need some touchup from the assembly process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on July 26, 2017, 08:18:51 AM
Looking good John..... 8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 26, 2017, 01:28:13 PM
Looking good John..... 8)


Thanks, Greg
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on July 26, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
If nobody likes the building, you can send it my way cause I love it.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 26, 2017, 08:52:07 PM
If nobody likes the building, you can send it my way cause I love it.

Jim


Hi Jim


I'm glad you love the building - how about we give you visitation rights.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on July 27, 2017, 07:40:55 AM
Hi John:

look like you have dilapidation down quite nicely. Keep the great photos coming.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2017, 09:51:45 AM
Hi John:

look like you have dilapidation down quite nicely. Keep the great photos coming.

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I wanted to do a "run down build" and found a place to make it work on my layout. I'm really having fun with this one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on July 27, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
John,

Great job on MacKenzies. I built mine about 20 years ago and it was a lot of fun. I had it on my old old layout, three layouts ago. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I still have the structure but got rid of the diorama.


Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 27, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
John,

Great job on MacKenzies. I built mine about 20 years ago and it was a lot of fun. I had it on my old old layout, three layouts ago. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I still have the structure but got rid of the diorama.


Tom ;D


Tom


Thanks for the kind words.  It is amazing that you are on your third layout. I have enough expansion space with this one that I don't think I will ever start over again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: bparrish on July 28, 2017, 03:34:10 AM
John...

You have done some amazing stuff on scenicing.  I'll evaluate your railroad any time.

It's good to see you on a structure adventure.

Amazing stuff

thanx
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 28, 2017, 02:42:28 PM
John...

You have done some amazing stuff on scenicing.  I'll evaluate your railroad any time.

It's good to see you on a structure adventure.

Amazing stuff

thanx
Bob


Hi Bob


Thanks for the kind words.  I have a number of structure adventures to go!  I'd love to have you stop by and evaluate my railroad - let me know if you are going to be in the area.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
I got back at the Mackenzie and Isaac's coal builds, today. On Mackenzie's I added floors to the interior and painted the inside of the building dark burnt umber so it looks like old wood when you see through all the cracks in the windows and doors.  There will be no lighting on this build.  I'm modeling this as an old before electricity mill that has been long since forgotten. Here is the picture of the interior painting - the paint was still wet when I took the picture.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290717181919.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 29, 2017, 06:28:55 PM
Next step on Mackenzie's is the roof.  On Isaac's Coal I received the shingles I was waiting for so I finished the roof on the first building and got started on the shingles for the second.  I'll take some pictures later tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:21:54 PM

I made some real progress on the roofing for Isaac's coal.  Here is another example of you can never have enough weights.

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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:28:56 PM
I also did a little mockup build for the roof on the Mackenzie's Mill. I like the way the Campbell shingles look when your modeling a roof that's past it's prime. Here is a few pictures of my little test sample.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717193359.jpeg)


I started by using the standard glue tape method over a piece of card stock painted with my khaki camo paint.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717193359.jpeg)




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:30:09 PM
This is for a color test so no points were given for straight rows of shingles.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194722.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:31:14 PM
As you can see I really got after the shingles with a probe to get that weathered - way past prime look.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:32:03 PM
Nest it was into the paint booth for some khaki paint.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194814.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
I sure have built up some paint on the floor of my paint booth over the years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:33:56 PM
Here is an after the paint picture.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194845.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:35:09 PM
Next I went to work with the pastel chalk to get back the weathered color.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194939.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
Here is a picture with the building.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717195013.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on July 31, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
While I was at it, I decided to take a look at it in the location I plan to put it on the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 01, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
Looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on August 01, 2017, 09:07:53 PM
John,
 Who's roofing shingles did you use on your Jacob's build ? Are they stained by you or are they pre finished ?
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 03, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Looks great John.


Thanks Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on August 03, 2017, 11:31:58 AM
Hi John:

Still looking great. I'm following along.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 08:02:58 PM
Tonight, I'm going to try to get this thread up-to-date.  I have been getting an hour here and two there on the layout for the last couple of weeks. I'm trying to stay on top of taking pictures and posting but it summer time - to much to do outside - so let's take a shot at getting caught up with the posting. Also, for the next 5 or 6 weeks I have lots of family get togethers, the Narrow Gauge Convention, and a trip to take some prototype pictures that I will report on later.  So the layout work will be waiting for a few weeks.  This is the time when I do a lot of design work and computer work making signs for future builds etc.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 08:56:34 PM
John,
 Who's roofing shingles did you use on your Jacob's build ? Are they stained by you or are they pre finished ?
Tommy


Tom


Here is a picture of the as received roofing material that I'm using on the Jacob's build.  They are stained but I will be adding my own coloring and weathering with chalks for this build.  Wild West Scale Models has a number of different color - I have about 8 different ones in stock.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203112.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203112.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
Hi John:

Still looking great. I'm following along.

Karl


Karl


Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by to see what I'm up too.  I still haven't reached Karl speed with my builds.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:03:05 PM
The big news on the S&S RR this week was I spent a bunch of EXPO dollars on a new DSLR camera so I could upgrade my picture taking to the latest technology. I bought a Canon 5D Mark IV which is a full frame 30 megapixel camera with all the fun buttons that I need to learn how to use better.  Here is my first picture with the camera.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030817111645.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:05:57 PM
On the Mackenzie build I decided to do a test where I just colored the Campbell Shingles with pan pastel chalk rather than painting them with a khaki primer first.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203142.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
 The painted first trial is on the other side of this test card.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:08:11 PM
Here is a picture after the chalks.  I like this better because I like the texture of the shingles better, and also, because the brown shows through once in a while like the shingle has a fresh break from the wind. 


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203223.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:10:35 PM
I also started building up the rafter sections that go in the roof holes where the shingle have complete blown of the roof. I really cool affect, in my opinion.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203300.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203357.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:12:48 PM
One more test picture with the new camera.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:14:39 PM
On my Isaac's Coal build, it was time to take the base board and the structures so far back to the layout to determine final placement.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204137.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:15:04 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204137.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:15:27 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204137.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
After, trying a bunch of different locations.  Taking test photographs. And trying again.  I came up with a final location.  I added the dirt that I'm going to use in this area under the structures - wet it down with water - and then glue.  And placed the buildings in place.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203905.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:19:45 PM
I also glued the siding track in place.  Once the glue dries it will be time to start all the detailing.  George included lots of great details with this kit.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203639.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:20:52 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203559.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 04, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
With all that glue -  I expected to find a mess on my work bench - but I only had one spot on the far left this morning when I lifted it up.  The dirt did a great job of soaking it up.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on August 05, 2017, 07:34:12 AM
Very impressive as always...
Can't wait to see this part of your layout totally finish....
Eric Quebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 05, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
Everything looks great especially Isaac's.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on August 05, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
John...   This is hyper-critical but...


The small distance between the two hopper structures looks a little strange to me.  I would have expected them to be combined (at least the roofs) into one big structure, or more separation between them (maybe even curve the supply track to justify why there are two separate buildings.)


Just a thought...


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2017, 08:42:37 PM
John...   This is hyper-critical but...


The small distance between the two hopper structures looks a little strange to me.  I would have expected them to be combined (at least the roofs) into one big structure, or more separation between them (maybe even curve the supply track to justify why there are two separate buildings.)


Just a thought...


dave


Dave




So here's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  I tried having one big roof making it look like one complete structure and I didn't like the way it looked. So I started separating the buildings and liked it better - looks like a companion building when the company expanded. As for the gap - I have a mountain in the way on the left side and I run out of siding for the conveyor and unloading pit on the other so the gap was fixed. If it bugs me after everything is in place I will put a pine tree in front of the gap.  I like the way you think and thanks for the suggestions - please keep them coming. I just got into a position with very few options because of the size of the spot.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
Everything looks great especially Isaac's.


Curt


Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 05, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
Very impressive as always...
Can't wait to see this part of your layout totally finish....
Eric Quebec city


Eric


Thanks for the kind words - I have one more structure that I need to build for this area - a signal tower. And then, I will finish the scenery - lots of detailing to do.  Especially with the rocks, talus, and ground cover.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:37:09 AM
I'm working on getting a few pictures ready to post of the next layer of scenery, that Wayne Olson and I added to the S&S RR on Saturday.  I took a series of pictures of the areas we are working on  - that I load on to my iPad where I can mark them up to make changes for the next layer.  Add a tree here, take a tree out there, talus to be added over here, and a rock wall or retaining wall,  etc.  So here is the pictures that I will be marking up.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210619.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:38:23 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210544.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:38:57 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210707.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:39:23 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210745.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:39:49 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210831.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:40:10 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210911.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:40:35 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211010.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:40:57 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211049.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:41:17 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211130.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 09:41:44 AM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211208.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 07, 2017, 09:47:12 AM
I did a previous comment but it didn't post (probably operator error). The scenery looks great with the addition of the trees. My favorite shot is the way everything blends together behind the roundhouse.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 11:48:08 AM
I did a previous comment but it didn't post (probably operator error). The scenery looks great with the addition of the trees. My favorite shot is the way everything blends together behind the roundhouse.


Curt


Thanks - the next step will be to add the ground cover and talus. I will keep switching back and forth from structure building to scenery for the next few months. I have more trees ready to plant but wanted to let these sections soak awhile before moving forward.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: bparrish on August 07, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
John ...

Great stuff.

Just amazing

Thanx
Bon
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 11:56:27 AM
This is the location for the future town of Gallant - yes as in Brett Gallant. In the valley will be the towns of Sellios and VanGelder. Picture O'neals, the Brass foundry, the Railroad Camp, and the *** which Brett hasn't announced yet strategically placed on both sides of the mainline.  As you can see, the town will also be serviced by the narrow gauge line.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211244.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211244.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:03:20 PM
Here is the site of the future town of Gallent.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211333.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211333.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211417.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
Here's a few pictures looking to the South East at the opposite end of the Mt. Aiden Trestle. Again, you can see the future site of the town of Gallant.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211511.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211511.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:06:13 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211607.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:06:45 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211607.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:08:25 PM
This is the view from my workbench - it sure has changed over the years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:12:24 PM
And finally for today, we need to check on the view from "Wayne's Lower Hole". If you haven't been following the thread for a few years this is a tunnel that was strategically lined up to view the town of Gallant - Wayne's lower hole. and the town of Sellios and VanGelder along with three mountain ranges through "Wayne's Upper Hole". Here is the view from the lower - I took this with my iPhone so the other side of the tunnel is not in focus - but you can get the idea.  I will follow-up with better pictures from the DSLR at a latter date.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211705.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211705.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 12:13:59 PM
You can't tell from the picture but this tunnel is about 3 feet long. The yellow aspen trees are about 20 feet away on the other side of the room.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 07, 2017, 02:29:14 PM
Beautiful rock work. That's something I never really got the hang of.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on August 07, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
The trestle is sure something else.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
Beautiful rock work. That's something I never really got the hang of.


Thanks Curt - I think I got my 10,000 hours in on rock work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 07, 2017, 08:59:17 PM
The trestle is sure something else.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words. The scenery really helps to make it look real.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on August 07, 2017, 09:23:37 PM
Hi John,

The layout is looking good.  I like the pictures because they show a lot of depth to the layout.  And I also like the way you mix up your trees.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on August 08, 2017, 07:32:24 AM
John,

I can't get over all your rock work. It is wonderful and looks so natural. I know some of it is real but it all blends so well.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: bparrish on August 08, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
John ....

If you aren't careful you're going to be in the cover of the national magazines

Thanx
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2017, 12:55:50 PM
Hi John,

The layout is looking good.  I like the pictures because they show a lot of depth to the layout.  And I also like the way you mix up your trees.


Steve


Thanks for the kind words - it is amazing how much difference it makes when you add variety. I like the scenes better with each layer of scenery. I like to look back at the way it looked a year ago or two years ago and compare.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
John,

I can't get over all your rock work. It is wonderful and looks so natural. I know some of it is real but it all blends so well.

Tom ;D


Tom


The next layer for the scenery will be the "real" rock talus. I have some of it strategically placed to check the color but 99 percent of what you see in these pictures is painted plaster. I found just the right colors in AZ north of Frank's place. I have 5 - 5 gal. buckets full of talus ready to be added. After the buckets spent a winter in my garage in below zero temperatures, I baked it in the oven for 4 hours at 450 degrees to kill all of the AZ critters.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2017, 01:05:52 PM
John ....

If you aren't careful you're going to be in the cover of the national magazines

Thanx
Bob


Bob


Thanks for the kind words - the magazines were not a goal when I started this but it would be cool if I got the opportunity.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 08, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
I'm getting back into the research for the Superior portion of the Superior & Seattle Railroad. It is amazing how much information is now available on the internet that wasn't there a few years ago when I started this process. In one evening I collected 100's of useful photographs.  Now, I have to decide just what I want to model.  This project is 5 to 8 years away from construction. I plan to share some of the pictures as I get closer to the building stage.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2017, 08:46:12 PM
To start my update tonight, I want to thank all the thread followers, that choose not to post, but who took the time to email or call me to offer kind words on the pictures I posted over the weekend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
I added the details to the back of Issac's Coal - the back is not going to be visible on the layout so I only added the walkway that is visible from above.  I will weather the shingles all at once. 


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090817203827.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 09, 2017, 08:52:24 PM
Here is a picture of the front of the build building, in place on the base board, before starting the detailing.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090817203755.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090817203755.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 10, 2017, 08:55:05 AM
Beautiful work John. You probably mentioned it before, but what color stain did you use on the bins?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2017, 09:27:36 AM
Beautiful work John. You probably mentioned it before, but what color stain did you use on the bins?


Curt


The bins where stained with a alcohol and Chalk stain.  Three different colors of chalk are used.  I think I showed the process earlier but I will repeating the process when I stain the conveyer and out buildings so I will take a picture then.  Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on August 10, 2017, 10:31:25 AM
The one thing that caught my eye was a lack of stain on the top of the bottom stick of wood on the bins.  (Does that make sense?)  Seems to me that the tops of wood pieces would be very black, as coal dust settles on them and gets washed onto those surfaces from rain, etc.


(Just picking more nits for you :-) :-) )


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 10, 2017, 07:58:57 PM
The one thing that caught my eye was a lack of stain on the top of the bottom stick of wood on the bins.  (Does that make sense?)  Seems to me that the tops of wood pieces would be very black, as coal dust settles on them and gets washed onto those surfaces from rain, etc.


(Just picking more nits for you :-) :-) )


dave


Dave


Good eye! It's just how the wood took the stain with the first coat.  I will be touching it up once the assembly is complete. I have a number of items that will need to be stained after they are assembled including the conveyor.
It is amazing how much color difference I did get with this build.  Each piece of wood took the stain differently and some of the wood took the stain very differently in different regions.

I'm doing more and more assemble and then stain builds. Especially, when there are laser cut walls involved. I would still stain first with a board on board build to get the color variety.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2017, 08:34:45 PM
Here is a progress picture of my Isaac's Coal build. The signs have been started and the lower platforms assembled.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160817203246.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2017, 08:38:37 PM
I also made some progress on the Mackenzie build today - I'm glueing together the roof rafter and cedar shingle cross boards that will show through the roof in the areas with the holes.  I need  8 -10 of the assemblies and I'm gluing them over the 1 template that comes with the kit - so it's taking some time. Another good reason to have more than one build going at the same time (see picture above).
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 16, 2017, 08:40:10 PM
Yes - the letter's in the Isaac's Coal sign need some weathering.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on August 17, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
I like the platforms.  It's an idea to think about using concrete footers instead of wood bracing underneath. Are the platforms permanently attached next to the track? I ask because the one on the right looks way to close to the track.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 17, 2017, 11:06:24 AM
I like the platforms.  It's an idea to think about using concrete footers instead of wood bracing underneath. Are the platforms permanently attached next to the track? I ask because the one on the right looks way to close to the track.


Hi Curt


The platforms are just sitting close to in place to get a feel for how they will look.  I have some work to do on the ground cover I put in to get them in place for gluing down. The concrete footings are what George provided for the kit. I think they will be mostly covered from view once all the details and ground cover are in place.  Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 24, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
Update on Isaac's Coal - I got started on the conveyor.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240817220314.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on August 25, 2017, 08:22:15 AM
Hi John:

Very nicely done. Keep the photos coming.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 25, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
Hi John:

Very nicely done. Keep the photos coming.

Karl


Thanks Karl - Progress will be slow for the next couple months but I will be posting as I get workbench time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on August 25, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Hi John,

Looking very nice. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 26, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
Hi John,

Looking very nice.


Thanks Steve - it will be waiting for me when I get back from the Narrow Gauge Convention. I have a lot of detailing to do on the two builds I have going and I'm already planning the next build.  After a few kits in a row I think it's time for another scratch build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Dave K. on August 27, 2017, 08:38:11 AM
Spent a lovely evening last night going back and re-following your Mackenzie build. The layout is looking spectacular. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on August 27, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Incredible work John.   I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back.  Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 27, 2017, 07:38:17 PM
Spent a lovely evening last night going back and re-following your Mackenzie build. The layout is looking spectacular. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻


Hi Dave


Thanks for the kind words. I'm real happy with the way Machenzie's is turning out. I'm taking a little break from the workbench to attend the Narrow Gauge Convention, but I will be getting back on it when I return. It is my favorite convention every year. I'm hoping to see more inspirational layouts in the Denver area this year.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 27, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
Incredible work John.   I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back.  Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!


Thanks for the kind words.  Are you planning on attending the Denver Narrow Gauge Convention?  I can't slow down I don't know what might catch me.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on August 28, 2017, 01:41:39 PM
Incredible work John.   I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back.  Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!


Thanks for the kind words.  Are you planning on attending the Denver Narrow Gauge Convention?  I can't slow down I don't know what might catch me.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.

Sadly, we can't make it to the NGC this year.   

Keep those pics coming!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on August 28, 2017, 05:34:43 PM
Incredible work John.   I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back.  Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!


Thanks for the kind words.  Are you planning on attending the Denver Narrow Gauge Convention?  I can't slow down I don't know what might catch me.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.




Sadly, we can't make it to the NGC this year.   

Keep those pics coming!


Sorry you can't make it this year. We will keep the pictures coming.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 15, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
I returned home this afternoon from my extended Narrow Gauge Trip.  We traveled 5300 miles through 12 states.  Our loop into the Canadian Rockies was postponed due to the forest fires. The Park Ranger in Glacier told me that the fires are going to keep burning until they have two feet of snow on the ground.  It's not often that I pray for snow, but those people need relief.

I will be getting back to the workbench as soon as the unpacking is complete.  I spent 3 days doing research, photographing, and measuring the structures and foundations of the Quincy Copper Mine that is going to be a very big scratch build project for the Superior & Seattle Railroad.  We returned to Michigan along US Route 2 which parallels the GN railroad.  I took lots of pictures and will be sharing them here on this thread as appropriate. It's time to take a look at all my buys from the Narrow Gauge Convention.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 15, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on September 15, 2017, 09:06:30 PM
Glad you are back safe and sound (poorer of course).

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on September 15, 2017, 11:29:48 PM
Glad you're home safe John.  Looking forward to the pictures!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2017, 10:10:59 AM
;D


Thanks Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
Glad you are back safe and sound (poorer of course).

Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by - and yes my wallet is lighter but we had a great time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tct855 on September 16, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
John,
         Isaac's coal is coming along famously!  Lookin' good.  keep workin' it girl.   Thanx Thom...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2017, 10:18:06 AM
Glad you're home safe John.  Looking forward to the pictures!


Thanks for stopping by - I will be posting some pictures of the Quincy Mine, Smelter, and Stamping mill sites that I plan to build along with my layout tour photographs from the NG. I also managed to take a few pictures of the trees, rock formations and fall grass and foliage colors through the smoke.  I wanted to confirm my scenery colors on the layout. The smoke kind of hung just above the tree tops like a big cloud. Mountain pictures were not possible anywhere in the states of Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, or Montana.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 16, 2017, 10:19:21 AM
John,
         Isaac's coal is coming along famously!  Lookin' good.  keep workin' it girl.   Thanx Thom...


Thanks, Thom - A few more goodies from the Narrow Gauge Convention to store away and I will be back on it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:30:40 PM
I got back to work on the Mackenzie build the last couple of days - building the roof sections.  George has loaded them with details - holes with the rafters showing etc.  They are a lot of work but I really like how they are turning out. Here are a few progress pictures.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:39:02 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193445.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:39:29 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193535.jpeg)


The test fit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:40:07 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193647.jpeg)


Installing the rafters.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193731.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:41:05 PM
Starting to install the shingles.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193805.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 17, 2017, 07:42:24 PM
I also, got started making the details for the platforms on Isaac's Coal.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193620.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 17, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
The rafters are a really nice touch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on September 18, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
Tremendous work John! Am I to surmise that you will assemble those decks before staining/treating the wood? I thought that was a no-no, doesn't the glue potentially resist or at least alter the stain? (or do you just not apply it with a roller-like me ;D )


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 18, 2017, 08:54:47 AM
The rafters are a really nice touch.


Thanks Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 18, 2017, 09:03:45 AM
Tremendous work John! Am I to surmise that you will assemble those decks before staining/treating the wood? I thought that was a no-no, doesn't the glue potentially resist or at least alter the stain? (or do you just not apply it with a roller-like me ;D )


John


Hi John




My last couple of builds I have been experimenting with doing some of the assembly work before I stain the wood. It really does work quite well.  I haven't had a problem with an area not taking stain now that I'm using the chalks and alcohol for stain.  I think the chalks have pigments that penetrate better than the inks and dyes. For me it saves a big step because I was always touching up the job after assembly anyway.  We will see how it goes for the next few builds before I will be sold on the process change.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on September 18, 2017, 12:18:25 PM
Looks great John!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on September 19, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
Looking good John!    That's a great looking structure
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 19, 2017, 01:29:26 PM
Looks great John!


Mark


Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 19, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Looking good John!    That's a great looking structure


Leo


Thank you for the kind words. I'm getting close with the structure - then it's all the details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 19, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
I had this nice surprise waiting for me when I returned from the Narrow Gauge Convention. 


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190917215343.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on September 19, 2017, 10:23:33 PM
All I can say is "WOW"

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on September 20, 2017, 05:32:09 AM
That'S a nice surprise, and a very cool kit.
I'Ve a lot of fun to build it some years ago.
Eric Québec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: GPdemayo on September 20, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
If you haven't opened it.....wait till you see the castings.  8)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
All I can say is "WOW"

Jim


I can't wait to build it.  Thanks for stopping by the thread.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 08:53:58 AM
That'S a nice surprise, and a very cool kit.
I'Ve a lot of fun to build it some years ago.
Eric Québec city


Eric


I had a few years, about 15 years ago where I wasn't buying any kits because of the financial situation in the Auto Industry.  I was happy to see Brett reissue this one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 08:59:12 AM
If you haven't opened it.....wait till you see the castings.  8)


Greg


Like most finescale modelers the first thing I do with a new kit is open the box of castings. I always take pictures for planning purposes.  This kit will be part of a scene that will also include O'Neal's and the soon to be released Foundry.
I have a spot all picked out for them on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Brett is sure doing a great job with his kits!


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Jerry on September 20, 2017, 09:47:27 AM
John one hell of a pile of castings.  Should be a fun build.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 03:04:44 PM
John one hell of a pile of castings.  Should be a fun build.

Jerry


Jerry


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  Yes, I think this is going to be a real fun build.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 07:22:34 PM
I made more progress on the roof sections for the Mackenzie build today.  Here are a few pictures. This is what the roof shingles look like before the weathering and aging process. I glued these down with carpenters glue so I could get rough with them as I weathered the roof.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 07:23:56 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 07:24:46 PM
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I added lots of bracing on the back.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 07:25:42 PM
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One more test fit to make sure the bracing is not getting in the way.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 07:26:39 PM
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Progress picture.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 20, 2017, 07:27:17 PM
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The large lower roof card progress picture.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 20, 2017, 08:05:38 PM
Great work John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 21, 2017, 02:49:16 PM
Great work John.


Thanks Curt

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on September 21, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
I see a lot of fun in store for you!   I love Brett's kits!

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 22, 2017, 09:56:51 PM
I see a lot of fun in store for you!   I love Brett's kits!


Leo


Yes - I have a big project planned for Brett's kits.  He does a great job with them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 24, 2017, 02:39:03 PM
I completed all the small detail builds that I could do on the bench, on the Mackenzie
build.  It's time to complete the assembly and then add all the details.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 24, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
While the glue is drying it's time to start putting the finishing touches on Isaac's Coal.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 25, 2017, 01:29:10 PM
Progress Pictures on the Mackenzie build.  Small building sections have been added and it's time to add the roof sections.






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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 25, 2017, 01:29:52 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 25, 2017, 02:25:09 PM
It's all coming together nicely. The holes in the roof are a very nice touch for a dilapidated structure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on September 25, 2017, 03:08:47 PM
Great job , what a scene this will be when ready.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 25, 2017, 03:20:04 PM
It's all coming together nicely. The holes in the roof are a very nice touch for a dilapidated structure.


Thanks Curt - the roof holes where very time consuming but I think they are well worth it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 25, 2017, 03:20:51 PM
Great job , what a scene this will be when ready.


Thanks Jan


I'm real happy with it.  Now for all the details, the best part.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on September 25, 2017, 03:47:03 PM
John,

Mackenzie Milling is looking very good.

I had a lot of fun building that one. I used it on the old, old layout. Now its on the shelf.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 25, 2017, 10:33:24 PM
John,

Mackenzie Milling is looking very good.

I had a lot of fun building that one. I used it on the old, old layout. Now its on the shelf.

Tom ;D


Thanks Tom


Oh yes the old, old layout.  Since my new layout is built on top of the old layout I uncover it some times when I cut into the benchwork.  In fact, I found the mounting plate for the old lighthouse when I cut the hole for the Mackenzie build. I think I sold or swapped that lighthouse some where along the line. Thanks for stopping by
Tom and the trip down memory lane.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
I started installing the front platforms to the Isaac's Coal Build today.  Here are a couple progress photographs.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2017, 07:41:19 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tct855 on September 28, 2017, 07:50:50 PM
John,
       This structure is really coming along N-I-C-E-L-Y  I'm lurking as you build.  Thanx Thom...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 28, 2017, 08:41:53 PM
Great job John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
John,
       This structure is really coming along N-I-C-E-L-Y  I'm lurking as you build.  Thanx Thom...


Thom


Thanks for following along. I'm getting close! Lots of details and weathering to add.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2017, 09:34:00 PM
Great job John.


Thanks Curt.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2017, 09:38:24 PM
A couple more progress pictures on Isaac's coal. There is lots of glue drying tonight.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 28, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: engine909 on September 28, 2017, 10:48:58 PM
John, Great layout. Also, very nice work on a kit I built in the early 70's. Not as good.
ed
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on September 29, 2017, 03:29:29 AM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 08:26:43 AM
John, Great layout. Also, very nice work on a kit I built in the early 70's. Not as good.
ed


Ed


Thanks for the kind words - our modeling techniques have changed a bit from the 70's and it gives some of these older kits a new look.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words and for following along - I'm having a great time building this layout.  I have a lot of years worth of work to get it even close to where I want it to go.  I hope you will stick around for the ride. Even better, would be to see you take a trip over here to see it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on September 29, 2017, 02:22:11 PM
John,
 Your Isaac's Coal build is turning out great. First time that someone has taken two FSM Jacob's Coal kits and made into a very unique looking structure.  8) 8) 8)
Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on September 29, 2017, 05:06:49 PM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words and for following along - I'm having a great time building this layout.  I have a lot of years worth of work to get it even close to where I want it to go.  I hope you will stick around for the ride. Even better, would be to see you take a trip over here to see it.

Don't be surprised if in the next few years I do come and visit, a trip to the US is on my list for within the next 5 years , that is if I can get off work for a month to make the trip worthwhile . Lots of places and most of all  people I want to visit.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
John,
 Your Isaac's Coal build is turning out great. First time that someone has taken two FSM Jacob's Coal kits and made into a very unique looking structure.  8) 8) 8)
Tommy

Tommy

Thanks for the kind words.  I don't know if it's the first time - but I've never seen it done this way.  It works great in the spot I have on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:12:27 PM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.


Jan


Thanks for the kind words and for following along - I'm having a great time building this layout.  I have a lot of years worth of work to get it even close to where I want it to go.  I hope you will stick around for the ride. Even better, would be to see you take a trip over here to see it.

Don't be surprised if in the next few years I do come and visit, a trip to the US is on my list for within the next 5 years , that is if I can get off work for a month to make the trip worthwhile . Lots of places and most of all  people I want to visit.


Jan


I hope you find a way to make it happen.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:26:01 PM
I made a lot of progress on my Isaac's Coal build, today.  I will post some progress pictures in a few minutes.  First, I would like to share a tool that I have found very useful on my last couple of builds.  When I bought my table saw one of the accessaries was this bag of brass shims to use in setting up the rip fence. You put the square brass shim between the blade and the rip fence to set the board width for the cut. The set comes from 1/16 inch up to 1 inch.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917171558.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917171558.jpeg)


Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:27:37 PM
So it works great for that application but I'm using them to set rafters, steps, and any other application where I want to evenly space boards for gluing.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:30:20 PM
Here I'm using it to setup the spacing for the runs on the latter up the conveyer chute on my Isaac's coal build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
I have used this technique with a piece of strip wood for years - but with the brass the glue comes right off as I wipe it with a paper towel or with a knife if I forget and let it dry. Just thought I would pass it along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:33:05 PM
Now for a few progress pictures of Isaac's Coal as I add more details.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:33:41 PM
The coal bin assembly.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:34:39 PM
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Conveyer complete with cat walk, hand rail and ladder.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:35:31 PM
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The platforms, now with eve troughs and down spouts.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 05:36:47 PM
Tomorrow, I hope to get the weathering done so it all starts to blend together and look like one structure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on September 29, 2017, 07:04:16 PM
Beautiful job and a great tip.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on September 30, 2017, 06:40:55 AM
I'm really enjoying this build John.  You're doing a fantastic job stitching these kits together.  Thanks for the spacer tip!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 30, 2017, 08:01:26 AM
Beautiful job and a great tip.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words. The spacer tip is just a little thing that really speeds up the process.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on September 30, 2017, 08:03:20 AM
I'm really enjoying this build John.  You're doing a fantastic job stitching these kits together.  Thanks for the spacer tip!


Mark


Thanks for the kind words.  I'm glad you are enjoying following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
Yesterday, Wayne Olson was here helping me plant more trees on the layout.  While he was here we couldn't resist taking the Mackenzie build and the Isaac's coal build off my work benches and trying them in their home locations on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 02:48:46 PM
Here's a couple pictures that I just took before I moved them back to the workbench for the final push to completion.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 02:49:22 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
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The roof card is just sitting on top - not in position.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
As soon as these two builds are complete I want to put the finishing touches on the scenery in this area of the layout.  I have a check list of things that need to be fixed and changed to make that happen.  Like the out of scale rocks behind Brambell's. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 01, 2017, 03:40:13 PM
Both builds are going to look fantastic on your layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 08:19:18 PM
Both builds are going to look fantastic on your layout.


Curt


Thanks - I'm really excited about finishing this area of the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 08:39:39 PM
I started the weathering process on Isaac's Coal, tonight.  Here's what it looked like after some alcohol and chalk pigments.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 08:40:06 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 08:41:05 PM
Here are a couple pictures of Isaac's after round two of the weathering process.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 01, 2017, 08:42:19 PM
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It's starting to look like a structure that has spent it's life in coal dust.


Now, for all those detail castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on October 02, 2017, 06:34:02 AM
Looks great John! Nice work.


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 02, 2017, 08:32:28 AM
Looks great John! Nice work.


John


John


Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 02, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Very nice John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on October 02, 2017, 04:33:22 PM
A suggestion:  I'd expect some rain streaking down from the letters (as coal dust collects on the letters and then gets washed away.)


But overall I think you nailed the colors!


dave




Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 02, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
Very nice John.


Thanks Curt

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 02, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
A suggestion:  I'd expect some rain streaking down from the letters (as coal dust collects on the letters and then gets washed away.)


But overall I think you nailed the colors!


dave


Dave


Thanks for the suggestion. I will get back up there and do some work.  I'm going to have to dry brush it without the alcohol.  I painted the letters with red acrylic paint and as soon as I touched them with the alcohol and chalk the red started to run.  I painted them over two months ago so it wasn't a paint drying time issue. I've never had that happen before and need to do some experimenting to see what's going on.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on October 02, 2017, 08:37:17 PM
Could try the streaking with 'wet water' instead of alcohol.


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 03, 2017, 10:55:47 PM
Could try the streaking with 'wet water' instead of alcohol.


dave


Dave


I did some experimenting today with the acrylic paint and the alcohol and it does dissolve the paint. It's not as noticeable with lighter colors but with the red I pickup up the color with my brush.  Lesson learned.  I did go back and dry brush the letters with the dark pigment and then streaked it with some water.  It looks pretty good.  Sorry, forgot to take a picture tonight.  I will follow-up.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 03, 2017, 11:00:47 PM
Today, I built the platform for the Mackenzie build. It's hard to build things with legs that are not square and broken boards.  At least for me. I think everything needs to be square and straight.  Anyway, I'm having fun building a run down building.  Here are a few progress pictures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 03, 2017, 11:01:24 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 03, 2017, 11:01:47 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 03, 2017, 11:02:20 PM
The test fit.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 03, 2017, 11:03:38 PM
The next step will be to get the color right.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on October 04, 2017, 06:56:45 AM
Great work as always John. Another fantastic addition. I, for one, would love to see the EXPO show up near enough to visit the "World's Heaviest Layout".  ;D


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jrmueller on October 04, 2017, 07:56:15 AM
Looks good to me.  Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 04, 2017, 05:43:33 PM
Great work as always John. Another fantastic addition. I, for one, would love to see the EXPO show up near enough to visit the "World's Heaviest Layout".  ;D


John


Thanks John


I think we need an EXPO North and a EXPO South to go along with the EXPO East.  The Narrow Gauge Convention has the West covered for the next few years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 04, 2017, 05:44:16 PM
Looks good to me.  Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:36:00 PM
Typical day working on the layout, today.  I worked on three different projects.  First, I got started on the ground cover for the Isaac's Coal build.  I want to complete as much as possible, before moving it to the layout to blend it in with the scenery.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
I thought I better take a picture of the backside of this structure - once it's on the layout it will not be visible.




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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:37:43 PM
Waiting for the glue to dry.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:38:10 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:39:16 PM
I also painted the platform for the Mackenzie build.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
After the paint dried, I glued it in position.  Next step will be to weather it before I add the posts and the roof.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 07, 2017, 05:43:31 PM
My third project for the day, was to start my scratch build S&S RR Locomotive Works.  I cut the base board out of gator board and started to layout the positions for the walls. This is going to be a big project - the structure will be detailed inside and out. This will be a companion building to my Stone Roundhouse that I built a few years ago (see volume 1 of this thread). I also started pouring the castings for the lower walls. I will have pictures tomorrow when there's something to see (the castings need to setup in the molds).  The wall casting for this build are highly modified versions of the original Bob VanGelder Stone Roundhouse that I made from castings that George Sellios gave me a few years ago.  They are the same castings that I used for my Stone Roundhouse.  George had a couple castings left over from his Stone Roundhouse build and gave these castings to me, with Bob Vangelder's blessing. I just love this Stone Roundhouse and the model railroad history that it represents.  The original Stone Roundhouse on John Allen's layout was the inspiration for this structure.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
Here are a few photographs of the base board and my initial layout of the casting for the lower level of the S&S RR Locomotive Works. I have also included a picture of the box that George Sellios gave me the casting in.  Yes - the box also had some left over castings from the brick Roundhouse - another project for another day. This will be the box that I keep - red or yellow - after the kit is built.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 08:51:44 PM
This is the gator foam base that I will build the model on.  I will also have a 3/4 inch exterior plywood baseboard underneath it. I built the Roundhouse out of hydrocal - this model will be made out of resin.  You can see the 9 stall Stone Roundhouse in the background. On my Brambell's build I made the stone wall out of the original metal castings from George's FSM kit, along with hydrocal and resin castings side by side.  I can't tell the difference after they are painted and weathered.  I like the idea of having resin casting in a foreground building like this one, just incase they get bumped. 


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 08:55:18 PM
In this picture I have the resin castings stacked in the approximate location they will be in the finished model.  I'm just doing an initial check to make sure I don't need more castings. The fitting will begin soon.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
The Locomotive Works will have two repair bays on the right and two machine shop bays on the left. The second story of this structure will house the Engineering and Administrative Offices of the Superior & Seattle Railroad.


Notice that the original castings for the walls of the Stone Roundhouse were rectangular and make a great high bay first story (in the kit that Bob VanGelder put out the walls were tapered for the pitch of the roundhouse roof.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:09:51 PM
A new mold for the boiler house chimney and locomotive pits is also curing on the workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:12:02 PM
I squeezed the plastic cup that was holding the liquid mold material to tight and broke it.  Can you tell these molds got poured in a hurry. A bit messy but we recovered and didn't waste the material.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
I also made some progress on the Mackenzie build today.  Added the posts and lower roof cards.  You can never have too many weights within reach on your workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:15:41 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
And finally, tonight a few progress pictures on my Isaac's Coal build.  When I detail a structure I add the weathering and details in layers.  In- between each layer I take pictures and then mark them up to get ready for the next layer.  It's  just how I do it.  The pictures I'm sharing tonight are after about 4 layers of detailing. I will do one more round of detailing while this model is on my workbench and then it will be mounted on the layout for the final round of detailing to blend it into the scene.


When I mark-up the pictures I'm looking for things that are to shinny, too light or dark in color, look out of place, or unrealistic etc.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:23:47 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:24:19 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:26:00 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:28:27 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 08, 2017, 09:30:23 PM
That is going to be a great looking engine facility.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:34:59 PM
Here are a few of the things on my mark-up. 


- The steps are to light.


- The crate on the far left platform is to light.


- slow down when you take pictures with your iPhone - some of these are blurry.


- need to add some LED lighting to the platforms.


- figures need some detailing.


- Need to take the next round of pictures on the layout with the lighting that it will be on display with. The lights above my workbench are very bright and the camera is adjusting to that lighting on the exterior surfaces of the structure and the platforms look very dark.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 08, 2017, 09:37:02 PM
That is going to be a great looking engine facility.


Curt


Thanks - it has been on the drawing board for a long time - I'm really excited to finally be starting to build it.  There is going to be a lot of interior detail and I think I have a cool way to show it off.  More on that latter.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on October 09, 2017, 03:29:06 AM
Fantastic looking scene.

May I say that I find the ground looking a bit unnatural, I would think the whole soil/ground layer would have a grey/blackened look from all the coal dust .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on October 09, 2017, 08:04:15 AM
You have certainly had a burst of activity since the Narrow Gauge Convention.  Are you sure freight cars will clear the steps?


Jeff
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on October 09, 2017, 08:15:44 AM
Incredible work John.
ALways a pleasure to follow your progress on your layout..
Eric Quebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 08:56:33 AM
Fantastic looking scene.

May I say that I find the ground looking a bit unnatural, I would think the whole soil/ground layer would have a grey/blackened look from all the coal dust .


Hi Jan


I think your right about the ground colors - the camera really shows it. I will make some adjustments in my last round at the workbench and then fine tone it once I have it on the layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 08:58:28 AM
You have certainly had a burst of activity since the Narrow Gauge Convention.  Are you sure freight cars will clear the steps?


Jeff


Jeff


I have been motivated since the Narrow Gauge Convention - I hope the EXPO provides a boost that gets me through the winter.  I checked the clearance with the steps when I put them in, but I agree, that the pictures make it look like I need to check again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 08:59:03 AM
Incredible work John.
ALways a pleasure to follow your progress on your layout..
Eric Quebec city


Thanks for following along Eric.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:36:52 PM
I completed another round of weathering and detailing on my Issac's Coal build today.  I addressed everything on my improvements list.  Here are a few pictures of the way Isaac's looked when it left my workbench.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:39:05 PM
In this picture I have addressed the issue of the dirt being to light with a bath of A&I next to the platforms and the improvement can be seen by observing the untreated dirt in the foreground - on this side of the tracks.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
In this picture I'm testing the clearance between the coal hopper and the stairs that looked like it may be an issue in the pictures,
yesterday.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:41:59 PM
Our test hopper has traveled all over the world.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
I also tested the stair clearance issue with the widest piece of rolling stock on the layout - my cleaning car.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:46:02 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:46:43 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:47:55 PM
With this round of improvements I declared the build ready for the trip to the layout - this is the final bench photograph.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Isaac's Coal in it's home location on the layout.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:48:54 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:49:12 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:49:32 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:49:53 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:50:12 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:50:38 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:51:33 PM
Over the next few weeks I will be completing the scenery in this area and then we will revisit it with some pictures from the good camera.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:53:45 PM
I also took some progress pictures of the Mackenzie build with the roof cards in place and the first round of weathering on the roof.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:54:38 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:56:37 PM
Mackenzie's is on it's way to falling down and the roof posts are not supposed to be all straight but it's killing me to see them out of square in the photographs.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 09, 2017, 10:57:58 PM
Mackenzie's is going to be moving to my detailing bench, tomorrow. Lot's of details to add to this one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 10, 2017, 10:10:07 AM
Incredible modeling John. It will be a focal point on your layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on October 10, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
Great great modeling John and the A&I does the trick on the ground .
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on October 10, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
Nice job John,  It looks very nice on your layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 10, 2017, 09:08:17 PM
Incredible modeling John. It will be a focal point on your layout.


Curt
Thanks for the kind words and for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 10, 2017, 09:11:20 PM
Great great modeling John and the A&I does the trick on the ground .


Thanks Jan - the dirt I'm using accepts coloring very well. I've used chalks, Inks, and acrylic paints to get the color I wanted in different areas. Thanks again for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 10, 2017, 09:13:25 PM
Nice job John,  It looks very nice on your layout.


Thanks Steve - it was really nice meeting you at the Narrow Gauge Convention. I hope we get to have that conversation about what your remember about visiting John Allen's layout.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 10, 2017, 09:19:46 PM
I talked to George Sellios today and he was very happy to see the two kits built into one coaling complex (he reads most of the threads on the forum - he just chooses not to post).  He told me that one of the complaints he got when he offered the Jacob's Coal kit was that it was too big (???). He really got a kick out of seeing two built together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: rpdylan on October 10, 2017, 09:30:42 PM
Great modeling! As far as the porch posts being out of square,, the trouble with HO scale is that things like this look "weird". kind of like if our telephone poles are crooked...... i found that if I broke one of my posts in the middle, it looked more believable than if it was just crooked,,,,, again, I think it's the scale that affects the way things like this look,   I love your modeling and weathering,,,, just fantastic builds all around!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 10, 2017, 09:38:21 PM
Great modeling! As far as the porch posts being out of square,, the trouble with HO scale is that things like this look "weird". kind of like if our telephone poles are crooked...... i found that if I broke one of my posts in the middle, it looked more believable than if it was just crooked,,,,, again, I think it's the scale that affects the way things like this look,   I love your modeling and weathering,,,, just fantastic builds all around!


Bob


Thanks for the kind words - I'm going to try your idea of breaking one.  I have guide wires to add yet and that corner post in the back is a perfect candidate.  Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on October 11, 2017, 01:05:56 AM
Fantastic John!   
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 11, 2017, 01:17:15 PM
Fantastic John!






Thank you my friend - now it's on to the next one.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: RWL on October 12, 2017, 02:33:42 AM
John,


Very few layouts display the depth that yours does, nice scenes, it is very impressive. I think you have an equal amount of wood above the layout as you do below the layout. Very impressive!


Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 12, 2017, 01:07:30 PM
John,


Very few layouts display the depth that yours does, nice scenes, it is very impressive. I think you have an equal amount of wood above the layout as you do below the layout. Very impressive!


Bob


Bob


Thanks for the kind words.  I have used 34 - 100 pound bags of Number 1 molding plaster on the mountains for this layout. So there is a fare amount of wood underneath holding them up.  I'm happy to hear you say the layout has depth - that is what I'm shooting for.  It's better in person than when you try to capture it with a photograph. I think it will get better as the structures are added.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: JusticeCity on October 12, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
John, 3400 pounds of plaster, that is more than it takes to plaster all my house walls. You will need na air-hammer to take it down in the future. LOL
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 12, 2017, 05:07:54 PM
John, 3400 pounds of plaster, that is more than it takes to plaster all my house walls. You will need na air-hammer to take it down in the future. LOL


Marty


I don't plan on that being my job! ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on October 13, 2017, 05:48:58 AM
Great work John.  Each scene draws you in with all of the details you've added. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 13, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
Great work John.  Each scene draws you in with all of the details you've added.


Mark


Thanks for the kind words. It is all about the details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:50:13 PM
So, on my last update I mentioned that I was going to move my Mackenzie build to my detailing bench now that Isaac's Coal has been moved to the layout.  I took this opportunity to clean up my workbenches.  It's all areas that you have seen before during by build pictures but I thought since I had them clean I would post pictures of my work areas before a build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134450.jpeg)


This is my detailing work station. Three work surfaces, two with glass plates to work on.  I added brown paper to cover up all the paint stains this time around.  After a while the all the paint and stains on the workbench surface were starting to look like camouflage when I was trying to find all those detail parts.  Starting with a constant color really helps.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:50:57 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:51:29 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:53:24 PM
In my shop area I also have three working surfaces / workbenches for the bigger layout jobs.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:54:15 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
Okay, so now that you have seen the workbenches clean (it will be awhile before this will happen again) it's time to go mess them up again. Mackenzie's to the detailing area and the S&S RR Locomotive Works in the shop area.  I wonder how long it will take me to find all the tools I put away while I was cleaning?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on October 14, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
Okay, so now that you have seen the workbenches clean (it will be awhile before this will happen again) it's time to go mess them up again. Mackenzie's to the detailing area and the S&S RR Locomotive Works in the shop area.  I wonder how long it will take me to find all the tools I put away while I was cleaning?
I don't be able to clean up my workbench like you. The mess on it, is only varying  between lightly mess to apocaliptically out of control :)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on October 14, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
Now ,that is clean , I mean mine only looked like that once,when I built it ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on October 14, 2017, 04:31:28 PM
Helpful and timely!  Since I can see the end of the basement construction, I need to start planning the work area (as well as the layout track plan.)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 06:40:51 PM
Okay, so now that you have seen the workbenches clean (it will be awhile before this will happen again) it's time to go mess them up again. Mackenzie's to the detailing area and the S&S RR Locomotive Works in the shop area.  I wonder how long it will take me to find all the tools I put away while I was cleaning?
I don't be able to clean up my workbench like you. The mess on it, is only varying  between lightly mess to apocaliptically out of control :)


Eric


I would have described mine as apocalyptically out of control before I took the two hours this morning to clean all 6 work surfaces. I had to remove everything from the benches to put down the brown paper.  It is the best thing I have done for my modeling in a long time. My work surfaces were covered with paint dots from years of projects and were working like camouflage to hide the little detail parts.  It was the perfect time to do it between major projects. I can tell you from working on the benches the rest of the day it will be they way I start any project from now on.  A roll of the brown construction paper is very cheap and I have been using the same roll for a couple years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 06:43:04 PM
Now ,that is clean , I mean mine only looked like that once,when I built it ;D


Jan


You have a point, the last time mine looked like this was when I built them.  I definitely think it was 2 hours well spent.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 06:47:29 PM
Helpful and timely!  Since I can see the end of the basement construction, I need to start planning the work area (as well as the layout track plan.)


dave


Dave


My work space has evolved over time but I got a lot of good ideas from taking pictures of other modelers work space on layout tours.  The idea of having three work spaces around me in the detailing area came from a visit to Howard Zane's layout a few years back.  You can keep gluing details on one surface while the assemblies on the other surfaces dry.  I have taken this to the next level by having two setups so I can do the major construction on one project while I do the fine detail work on another.  It's just the way I roll, as they say.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 06:49:57 PM
After dinner, I will take some pictures of the workbenches after one day of work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
As promised, here are a few photographs of the work in progress at the end of the day today.  The workbenches didn't stay clean long.


The baseboard for the S&S RR Locomotive Works has been moved to the workbench and I have started to fit the castings for the lower level. I keep the shop vacuum going while I grind, sand, and file on these castings so you don't see much dust.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212544.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212544.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:44:58 PM
The casting work has spilled over on to two workbenches.  I'm taking inventory of my window castings to see if I will need to buy anything more for this build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212634.jpeg)


This is going to be a huge project with all the details I plan to add.  These workbenches will be filled with this project for months.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
The Mackenzie build has been moved to my detailing area and the rafters and rafter ends that I couldn't put in place until the roof cards were glued in place have started to go on.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212438.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:53:36 PM
I also started another project today on the other working surface in this area.  My next build when Mackenzie's is completed will be the FSM Fox Run kit. It will be modified to fit the space I have for it on the layout so I started to do the layout work required to design the modification required. Here is the standard box opening pictures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:55:55 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 09:58:27 PM
My primary objective for today was to get the base board layout cards out of the box along with the instructions. I want to make sure that this kit will work in the location I have picked for it before digging in deeper into the box.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 10:01:56 PM
At dinner time I had managed to get the cards and instructions over to the layout location. Actually measurements and layout work where left for another day.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194535.jpeg)


The big labels on the plywood base pieces are to keep me from cutting them up for another use.  They all have location labels that allow me to fit them back in the benchwork.  At times I have a stack of 10 - 20 of them under the layout when the hatches are open to work on the layout.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on October 15, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
As always I will follow....
Eric QUebec city
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 15, 2017, 02:10:50 PM
As always I will follow....
Eric QUebec city


Eric


Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2017, 10:32:05 PM
I received a package in the mail, yesterday, from Doug Foscale.  The structures in this kit are going to fit into a future hillside scene on the S&S RR.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222429.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222429.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2017, 10:36:58 PM
A number of hours were spent at the workbench today, trimming, fitting, and cutting the wall castings for the S&S RR Locomotive Works.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222507.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2017, 10:42:01 PM
I also made some progress with the Mackenzie's build.  I added what seems like a hundred rafter ends, some guide wires, and trim pieces. Tomorrow, I plan on adding the water wheel and doing some more weathering on the roof and new pieces.
Bob - you will notice that the crooked posts on the front of the building are now broke and one is down, as per your advice.  I think this is the way I will go. I could not stand those crooked out of square posts in the progress pictures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 19, 2017, 10:42:38 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: sdrees on October 20, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
Hi John,

Your derelict building is looking good, I mean old and fallen in disrepair the way it should be. Nice job.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 20, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
Great looking work John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 12:48:29 PM
Hi John,

Your derelict building is looking good, I mean old and fallen in disrepair the way it should be. Nice job.


Steve


Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by the thread. My biggest challenge with this build is building it like it is falling down - out of square - tilting etc.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 12:53:27 PM
The walls starting going up on my S&S RR Locomotive Works today.  I think I will be using every clamp and angle plate I own on this one.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017125140.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on October 21, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
You can't be too rich, too strong, or have too many clamps.   (said my late brother the carpenter)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 12:57:36 PM
You can't be too rich, too strong, or have too many clamps.   (said my late brother the carpenter)


dave


Dave


Sounds like a smart man.



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 12:58:19 PM
Great looking work John.


Thanks Curt
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 09:55:46 PM
Here is a series of photographs that show the progress on the three ongoing projects. First here is were I left off at the end of the day with the S&S RR Locomotive Works.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
The Mackenzie Build is coming along, today I added the wood paddles to the water wheel and started building the Jordon Truck that George included in the kit.  It will be a detail in what is left of the mill pond.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215227.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 10:00:15 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215158.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215158.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 10:06:06 PM
My third project is the Fox Run FSM kit.  The first step is to figure out the modifications I want to make to fit it in the spot I have picked out on the layout. I have spent a couple hours a day playing with different scenarios for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard. So here are a few pictures that describe where I'm at.  This corner scene will have three major structure groups.  The Monster Model works Signal Tower with a detailed interior will be on the far left of this picture. Sewall's Foundry another FSM kit will be at an angle in the corner. And Fox Run Mill will occupy the base board on the right of the picture. I have to layout each of the builds that are going to be in this area on their base boards before I can start the Fox Run build - to make sure it will flow from one build to the other. The siding track need to fit together and the roads need to line up end to end.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017214947.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017214947.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 10:08:58 PM
I should note that all of the roof detail needs to be added to the background buildings in this scene.  I decided to wait until the foreground structures were added before placing the water towers and other roof details.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Here is a photograph looking down the industrial area towards the Stone Roundhouse. I currently have 5 or more FSM kits planned for this area.  In the next few days I will be laying out each of the baseboards and playing with different scenarios before I finalize the builds for this area.

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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Dave K. on October 22, 2017, 08:21:09 AM
After the F&SM threads this has been my favorite follow-along. Isaac's looks fantastic in its spot!!!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tct855 on October 22, 2017, 08:50:53 AM
John,
        I must say your backdrops look great!  The scenes really do look much bigger than they are.  I like the curve of each corner.  Thanx Thom...
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 22, 2017, 10:45:51 AM
Awesome John. I have been looking closely at the control tower. It will probably be a gift from Santa so I look forward to seeing you build it. I do have a question about the engine house you are working on. I see that you are putting it together before painting. I have never worked with that material, so is it easier to paint everything together rather in parts? Belive me I'm not critiquing but rather I'm curious.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 22, 2017, 12:03:06 PM
After the F&SM threads this has been my favorite follow-along. Isaac's looks fantastic in its spot!!!


Dave


Thank you for the kind words and for following the thread.  I'm looking forward to meeting you at the EXPO.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Erieman on October 22, 2017, 12:38:54 PM
Here is a photograph looking down the industrial area towards the Stone Roundhouse. I currently have 5 or more FSM kits planned for this area.  In the next few days I will be laying out each of the baseboards and playing with different scenarios before I finalize the builds for this area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg)


Good Morning John,


Been lurking but not posting until recently. A few areas on the layout and a couple of structures have kept me quite busy. Love, love, love the scene above. Can't wait to see how you populate it. This view show the background areas that you and Wayne have done a beautiful job on. Keep up the beautiful work.


Frank / Erieman

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 08:35:09 AM
John,
        I must say your backdrops look great!  The scenes really do look much bigger than they are.  I like the curve of each corner.  Thanx Thom...


Thom


Thanks for the kind words.  The framing of the corners was a lot of work but I'm sure glad we did it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 08:40:56 AM
Awesome John. I have been looking closely at the control tower. It will probably be a gift from Santa so I look forward to seeing you build it. I do have a question about the engine house you are working on. I see that you are putting it together before painting. I have never worked with that material, so is it easier to paint everything together rather in parts? Belive me I'm not critiquing but rather I'm curious.


Hi Curt


I will be spray painting the Locomotive Works with a gray primer and then using pan pastel chalks to color the stones.  For me, it's much easier to do this with the walls in place on the base board rather than painting them before assembly. It will not be long and the base will be going into the paint booth. The color will match my Stone Roundhouse which you can see in the background of some of the pictures I have posted the last few days.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 08:44:50 AM
Here is a photograph looking down the industrial area towards the Stone Roundhouse. I currently have 5 or more FSM kits planned for this area.  In the next few days I will be laying out each of the baseboards and playing with different scenarios before I finalize the builds for this area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg)


Good Morning John,


Been lurking but not posting until recently. A few areas on the layout and a couple of structures have kept me quite busy. Love, love, love the scene above. Can't wait to see how you populate it. This view show the background areas that you and Wayne have done a beautiful job on. Keep up the beautiful work.


Frank / Erieman


Frank


Thanks for stopping by the the thread and the kind words. The last few days I have been making some decisions on which structures will populate this area. The plywood will be an industrial area with businesses that need to be close to the RR line. I will post a few pictures of the plan.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 12:33:34 PM
This morning I updated the index to volume 1 of this thread. I was in there reviewing how I painted the Stone Roundhouse so I could make the new Locomotive works match. These threads are a very useful modeling tool or is it memory tool. :o ::)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
As promised, here are the pictures I took after I completed laying out the base boards for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard.  I set the yellow boxes in position to get a feel for what it will look like when the builds are in place, at least by looking at the picture on the box.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 09:52:22 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
Picture with the Fox Run box in place.  There are a lot of hours of model railroading pleasure between now and getting this area populated with structures.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Dave K. on October 24, 2017, 06:10:54 AM
"Sellios Row" is going to be spectacular! 👍🏻
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on October 24, 2017, 07:11:04 AM
That's going to be awesome!


I like your full-time job better than mine ;)


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 24, 2017, 09:47:31 AM
You are going to be busy, but it looks like a lot of fun. You definitely have enough things to do over the winter.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 24, 2017, 10:02:21 AM
"Sellios Row" is going to be spectacular! 👍🏻


Dave


Thanks - George's kits are going to be well represented on my layout. I have been collecting them for 25 plus years.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 24, 2017, 10:03:58 AM
That's going to be awesome!


I like your full-time job better than mine ;)


John


John


This is the best job I ever had. Long hours but I enjoy every minute of it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 24, 2017, 10:04:55 AM
You are going to be busy, but it looks like a lot of fun. You definitely have enough things to do over the winter.


Hi Curt


Yes - I like to keep busy. Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Raymo on October 24, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
Wow! That's quite the ambitious project you have ahead of your self.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: deemery on October 24, 2017, 10:40:25 AM
There's a small fortune there in yellow boxes.   The 'million dollar spur' :-)


dave
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 24, 2017, 12:23:24 PM
Wow! That's quite the ambitious project you have ahead of your self.


Yes, it's a big project. And I have 5 more areas this size and bigger waiting to get worked on.  I'm going to try to work up to PostalKarl speed.  That's faster than light speed.  The key is to maintain the quality. Karl does.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 24, 2017, 12:27:30 PM
There's a small fortune there in yellow boxes.   The 'million dollar spur' :-)


dave


Dave


You would be correct if I paid eBay prices.  I think I should call it the before eBay spur.  If you add up what I paid George for the kits it's about what it cost me to go see his layout.  It is worth every penny. I think I will add up the prices on the boxes, as I put them on the shelf in the order I plan to build them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2017, 10:58:27 PM
Today, was one of those days when I worked a little bit on about 6 different projects. It was just the way it worked out. I few more wall castings were added to the Locomotive Works.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281017225506.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 28, 2017, 10:59:53 PM
I also made some progress with the Mackenzie build. The paddles were added to the waterwheel and it received a coat of paint.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281017225532.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on October 29, 2017, 07:04:46 AM
Looking good John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 29, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
Everything is looking good
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on October 29, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
John,

The progress on the Mackenzie build is looking good. It's good to have a few projects to go back and forth on.

Good job.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:36:37 PM
Looking good John.


Thanks Mark


I made some more progress today - I will post some pictures in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
Everything is looking good


Curt


Thanks - I'm trying to get Mackenzie's finished before I get the Fox Run out of the box.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
John,

The progress on the Mackenzie build is looking good. It's good to have a few projects to go back and forth on.

Good job.

Tom ;D


Tom


Thanks for stopping by - I always seem to have multiple projects going.  It's just the way I'm used to working.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:55:28 PM
While we are on the subject of multiple projects I started finishing the scenery behind Brambell's in preparation for permanently placing it on the layout. The rocks I used directly behind the structures were two big and made things look out of scale so I'm removing what I can and covering the two bigger stones that do not want to come loose with smaller stones. Finer talus will be added over this layer of stones.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291017204450.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
This is one of those project where you walk by and add a few more stones and then move on to something else while the glue dries.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:59:15 PM
Here is a few shots of the Mackenzie build after another round of weathering.  The iPhone seems to enhance the lighter grey on the roof.  It's darker and looks better to me with my eyes.  I will take some pictures with the SLR before I call this complete.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 09:00:04 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 29, 2017, 09:00:22 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Janbouli on October 30, 2017, 05:25:51 AM
Outstanding, looks like it's going to fall apart any time soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on October 30, 2017, 06:39:12 AM
Outstanding work John. It's hard not to run my finger through the "dust"!


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on October 30, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
Really outstanding modeling John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 30, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
Outstanding, looks like it's going to fall apart any time soon.
Jan


Thanks for the kind words - I'm enjoying modeling an over the hill structure. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 30, 2017, 02:35:18 PM
Outstanding work John. It's hard not to run my finger through the "dust"!


John


John


You need to plan a trip up this way and see it. Thanks for the kind words and for following the thread.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 30, 2017, 02:36:04 PM
Really outstanding modeling John.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words. Now for all those detail castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on October 30, 2017, 02:59:43 PM
John,
 Just like watching game 5 of the World Series last night...your build is another home run !!!
Great modeling sir... 8)
 Tommy
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 30, 2017, 07:07:51 PM
John,
 Just like watching game 5 of the World Series last night...your build is another home run !!!
Great modeling sir... 8)
 Tommy


Tommy


Thanks for the kind words my friend.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Donato on October 31, 2017, 12:50:59 PM
Outstanding work as usual John. Thank you.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on October 31, 2017, 01:23:19 PM
Outstanding work as usual John. Thank you.


Donato


Thanks for the kind words - I'm finishing the scenery in the area near the trestle and then I will be able to plant my last 4 builds on the layout - it has been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on November 03, 2017, 12:54:53 AM
Nice job on Mckenzi's John!   
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 07, 2017, 09:02:55 PM
Nice job on Mckenzi's John!   


Thanks Leo
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 07, 2017, 09:07:10 PM
I have spent the last 6 days traveling to and attending the EXPO.  I had a real nice time at the EXPO and brought back some supplies and ideas to try on the layout.  The best part of the EXPO is spending some time with forum members and exchanging ideas. Today, I stored away all of the goodies that I bought and spent some time evaluating all of the design ideas that where going through my head while I was doing all that driving.  I will take some pictures and share what I'm up too in the next few days.





Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: LongHornCaddy on November 09, 2017, 01:58:41 AM
Looking forward to it John!!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on November 09, 2017, 07:49:58 AM
John:

Looks great. You think it will still be standing by the time your done. Just beautiful weathering.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 09, 2017, 02:45:37 PM
John:

Looks great. You think it will still be standing by the time your done. Just beautiful weathering.

Karl


Karl


Thanks - as for how long it will be standing????  I don't build at Karl speed so I may get some natural weathering affects. ;) ;)  Thanks for following along.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 13, 2017, 08:18:47 AM
I'm back at the Locomotive Works build and the Mackenzie build.  I should be far enough along to take some progress pictures by the end of the day. Yesterday, I made the rest of the castings I need for the Locomotive works interior. I enlisted the help of some high quality design expertise for the roof design, after making a few cardboard mock-ups that I didn't like. I'll post some pictures of what came in a box while I was at the EXPO, later in the day.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
So, on the locomotive works design I tried a number of  different roof types, flat with a second story, tapered with and without a second story, a barn style second story (three different heights), etc.  Each time I made a cardboard mock-up and each time I came to the conclusion it wasn't what I was looking for. 
I decided to take advantage of our forum connections and called Frank Baker "ERIEMAN".  Frank has a background in architectural design so I asked him if I could send him some pictures and get his opinion.
He agreed to take a look and agreed with me that what I was coming up with didn't work. He said he wanted a few days to think about it and the next thing I know he is sending me a cardboard mockup that will fit right on my building.  This is why I love posting on the forum.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
Here is a picture of Frank's mockup on top of the locomotive works.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180324.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 06:23:57 PM
I have more explaining to do and more pictures - after dinner.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
The idea behind this design is to keep from overwhelming the roundhouse and yard. Adding a second story with a high bay area just didn't look right.  The story behind this build is that the S&S RR has just added on to the Locomotive Works to accommodate the new S4 Locomotives.  In fact, the construction is still underway and the back of the building is still under construction.  It will be detailed as full operational with the construction crew finishing the stonework on the back.  The structure will be fully detailed inside and out.  The last couple of days I made thin castings for the interior stonework.  The following set of progress photographs shows how some of the future views of the details will work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
First a few pictures of the build up of Frank's roof design.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180401.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:11:20 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180440.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:12:00 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117175626.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:12:34 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117175923.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:29:03 PM

The view inside the structure - left side of the picture will be the two locomotive repair bays with pits.  The  right side two bays will be a machine shop - belt driven.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180018.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:31:10 PM
Frank's roof design will also provide visibility of the interior detail.  The roof will also be removable to help with construction.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180102.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
View with the roundhouse in the background. The Locomotive Works will be the same colors.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180151.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180245.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 09:03:17 PM
The Locomotive Works is now back on my workbench adding the remaining castings to both the exterior and interior of the building.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117174051.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117174711.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 09:04:19 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117174938.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 09:08:17 PM
You will notice that I'm starting to use the Titebond III glue for the resin castings.  It holds just as well as the epoxy that I was using and it's easier to work with.  I'm also using it as a filler to fill any gaps between the castings and to establish the initial ground level around the building. I really think the stone detail in the interior of this structure is really going to look nice.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 14, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
A very big THANK YOU to Frank Baker for his design work on this build.  It definitely got me over the hump on figuring out what I wanted to do for this. I originally wanted to have an office area - the headquarters of the S&S RR - in a second story of this building.  With the high bays for the locomotive repair area it just didn't look right.  Way to high - it would block the view of the rest of the yard.  I think the unique roof line that Frank designed really works well. The office for the S&S RR will now be housed in another building.  I made some extra castings. ;)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on November 15, 2017, 11:02:10 AM
John,
That is a fantastic looking build.

I like the concept of being in the process of construction.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 15, 2017, 11:18:38 AM
John,
That is a fantastic looking build.

I like the concept of being in the process of construction.

Jim


Jim


Thanks for the kind words.  If I'm going to put all the work into detailing the interior I want to be able to see it. This is going to be my big build for the winter. We will see how it comes out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 15, 2017, 04:04:32 PM
Very interesting build. The only resin I have worked with is some F&C car kits.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 16, 2017, 07:53:49 AM
Very interesting build. The only resin I have worked with is some F&C car kits.


Curt


I typically use hydrocal for stone work but it is very sensitive to chipping and damage and this building is going to be right near the edge of the layout. The resin is much more durable and when I paint and weather it I can't tell the difference. The only down side of resin is the cost.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on November 17, 2017, 07:35:23 AM
I'm just catching up with this build.  Holy Cow!  This is great John!  Your walls are looking fantastic and Frank's concept really works well with the building. Looking forward to watching your progress.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on November 17, 2017, 08:01:59 AM
Hi John:

Very interesting project. I shall be following along. Can't wait to see how it come out.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 17, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
I'm just catching up with this build.  Holy Cow!  This is great John!  Your walls are looking fantastic and Frank's concept really works well with the building. Looking forward to watching your progress.


Mark


Thanks for stopping by - I'm really having fun with this build.  I have been collecting detail castings for this for years. Lots of belt driven machinery.  Frank's roof design really helped - now it will become my big winter project.  I usually have three builds going at the same time and rotate between them.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 17, 2017, 08:24:15 AM
Hi John:

Very interesting project. I shall be following along. Can't wait to see how it come out.

Karl


Karl


Thanks -- I have a picture in my head of what this build is going to look like but at our age that keeps changing. ;)   Thanks for following along, we will see where this takes us, together.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 18, 2017, 07:29:21 AM
Thank you to all the forum members that have sent me emails, txt, PM's, and called with sources for detail castings. I have orders out to 4 different suppliers for the detail castings for the Locomotive Works build. I also leaned that Rusty Rails and Rusty Stumps are two different companies, each with their own unique castings.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Jerry on November 18, 2017, 08:50:26 AM
John just getting caught up again on this thread.  Beautiful work all the around.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 19, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
John just getting caught up again on this thread.  Beautiful work all the around.

Jerry


Jerry


Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words. We are getting into modeling season so I hope to be able to make more progress in the coming months.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 07:49:27 PM
I made some more progress with the interior wall castings on the S&S Locomotive works.  Two more castings to go and then it will be time for the finishing work (a little filling here and cleanup there)  and the paint booth.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117194600.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117194600.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 07:50:31 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117194536.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
I must have messed up the setting in my picture editing software - I don't like these little pictures. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: EricQuebec on November 21, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
I must have messed up the setting in my picture editing software - I don't like these little pictures.
I Don't like too :)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:41:46 PM
Eric


I'm trying this again.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117224611.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:50:03 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117224653.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:52:10 PM
That's better!

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:54:21 PM
I also made some painting fixtures today to help speed up the casting and detail part painting process. I use popsicle sticks - two different sizes - to glue my detail casting to for paint. I made slits in a six inch long piece of 1x3 to hold the sticks.  I also made one for painting window castings.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117225042.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:55:06 PM
Here is a picture of the sticks - now to start gluing castings to them.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117225115.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
The settings I'm using in Apple photos is the large size for these pictures. The smaller ones that Eric and I didn't like is with the medium setting.  Sure would be nice to have something in-between.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on November 22, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
Looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Dave K. on November 22, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
As promised, here are the pictures I took after I completed laying out the base boards for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard.  I set the yellow boxes in position to get a feel for what it will look like when the builds are in place, at least by looking at the picture on the box.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg)


What a beautiful sight!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
Looks great John.


Curt


Thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 08:24:37 PM
As promised, here are the pictures I took after I completed laying out the base boards for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard.  I set the yellow boxes in position to get a feel for what it will look like when the builds are in place, at least by looking at the picture on the box.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg)


What a beautiful sight!


David


I have been waiting a long time to build what's in those yellow boxes. Thanks for stopping by - I hope to be able to show this scene with finished builds sometime soon.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 08:47:48 PM
I made some progress on a number of fronts today. I got the roof card made for the Locomotive Works build.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204239.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204427.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
The big project for today, was cleaning and mounting detail castings - getting them ready for my next two builds.  The sticks that are labeled F are for the Fox Run build and the rest are for the Locomotive Works build.  I'm about half way through this task and have castings spread all over the place.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204546.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204546.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204617.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 22, 2017, 08:53:43 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204704.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2017, 09:27:47 AM
Today, the castings are heading for the paint both.  Film at 11 - as they use to say when we had news programs.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on November 24, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
That's a lot of castings.

Hope you don't misplace any of them.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 24, 2017, 12:00:19 PM
That's a lot of castings.

Hope you don't misplace any of them.

Jim


Hi Jim


Thanks for stopping by the thread - I actually have the sticks labeled so I know which project they are for. I have a few hours of painting ahead of me.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Jerry on November 26, 2017, 11:40:01 PM
Well your sure picked up speed.

Tis is going to be a beautiful row of buildings.

Jerry
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 27, 2017, 10:13:11 AM
Well your sure picked up speed.

Tis is going to be a beautiful row of buildings.

Jerry


Jerry


Thanks for following along.  I'm setting up to have three builds going at all times.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on November 28, 2017, 12:26:44 PM
Wow that's a lot of castings!  Good thing you have a method to your madness.  I like your wooden jigs to hold castings.  I noticed on your paint rack that you've colored the shelving with the associated color.  Nice way to quickly find the color you're looking for!
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: engine909 on November 28, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
Don't disturb, genius at work.
ed
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2017, 09:31:38 PM
Wow that's a lot of castings!  Good thing you have a method to your madness.  I like your wooden jigs to hold castings.  I noticed on your paint rack that you've colored the shelving with the associated color.  Nice way to quickly find the color you're looking for!


Mark


Thanks for stopping by the thread - yes the first time I use a paint I color the shelf so I know what it really looks like. You don't want to use the color chart that comes with the paints. Most of the acrylic paints on that shelf are being used to paint figures and castings. Occasionally I will use them for the base coat on a structure.  The fixtures I made to hold my casting sticks are working out real well in the paint booth for the primer coat.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 28, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Don't disturb, genius at work.
ed


 ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Erieman on November 30, 2017, 11:16:20 AM
Good Morning John,


Think you have enough project going on at the same time? WOW !!! They will keep you real busy, but they will look great when done. Like all your fixtures fore the windows, etc... Keep up the good work. Give my regards to your tree/ scenery helper, Wayne. Stay busy.


Frank / Erieman
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on November 30, 2017, 01:57:00 PM
Good Morning John,


Think you have enough project going on at the same time? WOW !!! They will keep you real busy, but they will look great when done. Like all your fixtures fore the windows, etc... Keep up the good work. Give my regards to your tree/ scenery helper, Wayne. Stay busy.


Frank / Erieman


Hi Frank


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  I know another modeler that likes to have multiple project going and stay busy. ;)  Wayne is planning on coming over this Saturday - we are making some changes in the track in the Eagles Nest yard.  Continuous improvement as they say. I just bought a glass layout table that will be installed in my office (work stuff is getting packed away) to expand the number of things I can be working on at one time.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on December 01, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Hi Guys:

WOW lots of work going on here. Glad to see it.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 01, 2017, 05:11:54 PM
Hi Guys:

WOW lots of work going on here. Glad to see it

Karl


Karl


My wife says this is play - not work - I'm okay with that - I'm retired. I sure like the sound of that.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 03, 2017, 07:50:58 PM
Today, I spent most of the day getting more castings ready for the paint booth.  Here is a picture of what I have so far.  I have a number of window casting to get ready for the Locomotives works,  and a few more machine tools, then I will be in the casting painting mode for a long time.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031217194805.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031217194805.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 03, 2017, 07:53:59 PM
I also learned today, that the grey primer that I've been buying for years is now much darker in color.  I'm not sure if this is just a particular batch that is darker or if the manufacture has switched the formula. I did a test with bringing the color back with light grey chalk and I think I can make it work. Consistent paint color seems to be a problem these days. Since, this grey primer is the base coat for the stone walls, I need to paint a casting with it and make sure that I can match the Roundhouse walls.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: postalkarl on December 04, 2017, 12:20:23 PM
Hi John:

If you are using commercial spray cans from the hardware store they a few colors of gray primer. I have a dark and a lighter gray primer.

Karl
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 04, 2017, 03:37:01 PM
That is a lot of casting John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: bparrish on December 04, 2017, 05:11:51 PM
John...

So what rattle can are you using. 

See ya
Bob
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 07:03:14 PM
Hi John:

If you are using commercial spray cans from the hardware store they a few colors of gray primer. I have a dark and a lighter gray primer.

Karl


Hi Karl


Thanks for stopping by the  thread. I'm currently looking for the lighter shade of gray that I used for years. 
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 07:58:27 PM
That is a lot of casting John.


Yes it is.  A few hours of painting ahead of me. And I still have more to prepare for painting. It's all about the details - right?
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 08:03:44 PM
John...

So what rattle can are you using. 

See ya
Bob


Bob


Here is a picture of the can.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200324.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 08:09:04 PM
I managed to get most of the castings through the paint booth and primed. I made a test casting out of piece of scrap to test my new grey primer color for a match after the chalks are applied with the Stone Roundhouse.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200533.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 08:09:54 PM
Here is what was drying in the paint booth at the end of the day.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200609.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 08:11:25 PM
I also made a couple more painting fixtures for the round pulleys and flywheels for the overhead belt system. It is basically a piece of wire strung between two posts. I think it will work just fine.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200641.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217211747.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 04, 2017, 09:25:08 PM
I just spent the last hour trying to figure out why sometimes the pictures are big and sometimes they are very small in my last few posts. I used the same process with the same settings. I don't know? It has to have something to do with the higher resolution pictures I'm taking now. Some of them are starting out at 30Meg. When I size them down I think the software is getting carried away with the down sizing - but only sometimes.
One of those computer mysteries that needs to be solved.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: bparrish on December 04, 2017, 10:59:45 PM
John...

I use photoshop. I set the horizontal size to 4-5 inches and 120 dot resolution.  I get pretty consistent results.

See ya
Bob

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2017, 12:05:53 PM
John...

I use photoshop. I set the horizontal size to 4-5 inches and 120 dot resolution.  I get pretty consistent results.

See ya
Bob


Thanks Bob


I'm not sure what is triggering my picture sizing problem.  I have been taking the pictures lately with my iPhone and about every 20 pictures, I get a small one popping up. Last night,I tried resizing the same picture without changes the setting on my end and it worked just fine the second time.  It may be something on the forum end with what is happening to a picture when you add it to the gallery.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 05, 2017, 12:07:17 PM
I will have a few more progress pictures to try, tonight.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 06, 2017, 08:04:14 PM
Today, I spent most of the day preparing castings. The work bench is getting full - I have another day or two to get through this phase of the projects. I'm either priming them or using a blackening agent as the first step.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 06, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
I also got started on cutting the walls for the roof sheds for the Locomotive Works.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 06, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
Yes - I have a lot of window openings to cut.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 07, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
Looks like great progress.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: ACL1504 on December 07, 2017, 04:56:40 PM
John,

Just getting caught up on this thread. Holy cow you've been a very busy little boy. It looks great with all the FSM builds going on at one time. You are more brave than me. I'd have all the walls and casting in one big pile.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 09:31:56 AM
Looks like great progress.


Curt


Thanks - I keep working at it.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 09:36:02 AM
John,

Just getting caught up on this thread. Holy cow you've been a very busy little boy. It looks great with all the FSM builds going on at one time. You are more brave than me. I'd have all the walls and casting in one big pile.

Tom ;D


Tom


Thanks for stopping by the thread.  Yes, I've been spending as much time as possible in the train room.  I like having multiple builds going but I always seem to reach a point where I should be doing the same task on all the builds at the same time - like painting castings. So they do end up in one big pile.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 11:43:22 AM
Todays, projects.  Laying out the walls for the roof sheds on my Locomotive Works project.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217114517.jpeg)



Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 11:48:14 AM
And, assembling and painting a wheel grinding machine.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
I finished the second round of filling and smoothing the walls for the Locomotive Works.  A couple more rounds and I think it will be ready for the primer.  I also cut the holes for the locomotive inspection pits.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
To transfer the inspection pit holes from the gator phone base to the plywood base, I moved the structure to the layout. Here are a few pictures of how it looks in location at this point.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 11:00:02 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217214507.jpeg)


I will be glad to get all the patchwork covered up with a good coat of primer
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 08, 2017, 11:02:12 PM
Here is a picture of the inside.  I'm playing with the idea of having a brick floor on the repair pit side of the building and a wood floor on the machine shop side.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217214441.jpeg)

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 11, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
Saturday, while Wayne Olson was over working on the layout with me (caught him working in the photographs), I did a test fit one more time on the layout before I cut the holes for the inspection pits. While I was doing that Wayne asked me when I was going to get rid of the ugly knob on the side of the building. It is a hold over from my old layout and I planned to get rid of it , so it was removed and the base board was modified to make room for the scrap yard that will be modeled beside the Locomotive Works.


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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 11, 2017, 02:58:05 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 11, 2017, 03:00:54 PM
The locomotive works is headed back to the workbench to do the last round of fill, shape, cut and fit on the stone wall castings and will then be off to the paint booth. It will look a lot better without all the patch work.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 11, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
Looks great John.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 11, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
Looks great John.


Curt


Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: jimmillho on December 11, 2017, 10:02:20 PM
John,
I love the matching pair.  They are going to look great together.

Jim
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 12, 2017, 02:02:46 PM
John,
I love the matching pair.  They are going to look great together.

Jim


Jim


Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.  I have lots of exterior and interior detail plans for this one. I will also be detailing the Roundhouse at the same time. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: MAP on December 12, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
Looking great John.  You're really making some nice progress on this build.  I'm loving the background scenery.....the mountains, trees...beautiful.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 03:37:26 PM
Looking great John.  You're really making some nice progress on this build.  I'm loving the background scenery.....the mountains, trees...beautiful.


Hi Mark


Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.  This build will be on the workbench for a long time - lots of details planned.  I will be getting back to the Mackenzie Build this week, too.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
Here are a couple pictures of the area around the Locomotive Works without the ugly knob.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204833.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:50:45 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:51:58 PM
I finished the base board and cut the holes for the inspections pits.


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204805.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
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Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:53:06 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204633.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204602.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:53:52 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204524.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:54:13 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204456.jpeg)
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204419.jpeg)


There is lots of space beside the Locomotive Works and behind the Roundhouse now for the scrap yard.

Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 13, 2017, 08:57:33 PM
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204348.jpeg)


I added an extension to the facia board that is the view block between my work area and the layout. I left the bar clamps on overnight and it's safety first on the S&S RR. I put a paper towel over the bar clamp so I wouldn't run into it in the morning.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: Cuse on December 14, 2017, 06:23:46 AM
That is just amazing. The new structure is great but the glimpses of the scope of the layout are fantastic! You've got a billion pictures on here but generally focused on the latest structure, trestle, etc...I'd love to see some sweeping panoramic shots. The background scenery, trees, and rocks are incredible. The degree of craftsmanship in your structures is highest level too but wow, the grandeur of your scenery is pretty unique.


John
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: PRR Modeler on December 14, 2017, 12:50:17 PM
Excellent.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 14, 2017, 06:33:31 PM
That is just amazing. The new structure is great but the glimpses of the scope of the layout are fantastic! You've got a billion pictures on here but generally focused on the latest structure, trestle, etc...I'd love to see some sweeping panoramic shots. The background scenery, trees, and rocks are incredible. The degree of craftsmanship in your structures is highest level too but wow, the grandeur of your scenery is pretty unique.


John


John


This winter I plan to complete all of the background scenery  - basically the backdrop for all the structures that I plan to build - at that point I will post a bunch of panoramic shots.  We will do a tour of the layout in pictures with a description of the structures planed for the foreground. The layout is designed to have highly detailed structures in the foreground with deep mountain scenery in the background. Lots of fall color.
Title: Re: Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 2) Started 2/25/17
Post by: S&S RR on December 14, 2017, 06:34:26 PM
Excellent.


Curt


Thank you
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