Good Morning All and welcome to the New Year.
About a year ago or so, Raymo posted a picture of a building in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. Actually, I think he posted it on the other forum. Well, I really fell in love with that structure and have had it in the back of my mind for quite a while. Earlier in week, I sent Dan an email inquiring if he still had photos on the building. Boy, Dan came thru in spades. (more in a minute). While I don't know any history behind the building, it exemplifies some of the characteristics that we see in the buildings from Bob Van Gelder of SRMW. And many of you know how much I like the buildings from SRMW! In a conversation with Dan yesterday, He told me that the East End Market is actually very close to SRMW's Hooker structure which is the Reed Supply company in St. Johnsbury. In looking at the building, it clearly has gone thru many additions from the original structure. And this is a long building.
Dan sent me a boatload of photographs of the building along with a dimensional drawing of the building footprint. That being said, I am ready to go. Well almost. Yesterday I cut out a piece of foamboard to see the actual size. I am now looking at two towns on my layout to see if I can incorporate it into one of them. There will be a lot of design issues, materials, etc. that need to be defined before the building is actually constructed. I will probably build a couple of cardstock models to evaluate size and footprint issues. The building might be built as its originally design, prior to the other additions, or not. Lots of considerations with this project. So, that being said, Here are some of the photos that Raymo sent me. Thanks again Dan. I hope you enjoy the project.
Frank / Erieman
No problem Frank. It's going to fun to see it built! Raymo
Quote from: Raymo on January 03, 2015, 11:49:32 AM
No problem Frank. It's going to fun to see it built! Raymo
Dan,
Thanks for all your help. I'm sure that I will asking more questions as this build proceeds. You were right, this is a big building. I have taken your dimensions and put them on a piece of foamboard to get a feel for actual size. I have made some slight deviations to the dimensions to see if it all will fit. Next up is a cardstock model in three dimensions to see what it really looks like. The windows and doors might be a challenge as well. I've been working on several Sylvan cars and trucks for my Hookers module. I need the vehicles and lots of junk to make it complete. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Here are a couple more building pics that Dan provided.
Should be interesting to see this one develop, Frank.
Just a thought - if you are not opposed to making a few changes - the square addition might look good in brick?
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 03, 2015, 02:56:39 PM
Should be interesting to see this one develop, Frank.
Just a thought - if you are not opposed to making a few changes - the square addition might look good in brick?
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,,
Thanks for stopping by and offering your idea on a brick addition. Interesting consideration. I am just starting this project and will be looking at many, many aspects of the building design, material selection and arrangement. Stay tuned as the building develops. Thanks again for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
You know I'll be following along. Any pictures of the build yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 03, 2015, 07:17:20 PM
Frank,
You know I'll be following along. Any pictures of the build yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Tom,
Only a retired guy would ask another retired guy this silly question! I was going to tell you that those pictures ARE the model. Well, not yet anyway.
First I have to take the overall dimensions that Raymo sent me and translate them into building height, window size, etc...The main building has the most details that will need to be developed. I am also looking on where I can put such a large structure. My first two choices are not looking good. My third consideration would be at the end of the island between the two Oranges / East and West. I have a lot on my plate so this build is going to take some time, but I'll try to post something every week until I get my newsletter out. You remember the newsletter / right?. I am pumped about this building. I just hope that Raymo doesn't find anymore buildings up there that I might like.
When are you going to post more pics on your layout progress or do i have to Skype you?
Frank / Erieman
...anxious to see Frank's results with this one...this is one of those buildings that you would never believe all the additions/angles/roofs unless you saw it in a pictures.....I like the brick idea for the one addition.....this one was on my kit "to do" list....love all the roof lines on it....get on it Frank.... ::) ::)
Frank,
I'll get more photos of the layout up in a day or two. I've been very busy being retired! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry I missed the call the other day. I'll be here most of today - in the train room that is.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jlgrove on January 04, 2015, 06:48:25 AM
...anxious to see Frank's results with this one...this is one of those buildings that you would never believe all the additions/angles/roofs unless you saw it in a pictures.....I like the brick idea for the one addition.....this one was on my kit "to do" list....love all the roof lines on it....get on it Frank.... ::) ::)
Good Morning Jeff and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for stopping by and taking a look at one of my next projects. Yes, I said one of my next projects. One thing about this hobby is that there is always something to do. It's like taking me to a candy store, except this one has trains. Currently, I am planning a huge steel mill area on the layout, fixing a small track issue, replacing switch machines to Circuitrons, adding trees and scenery ina couple of towns, etc.... You know what I mean.
I am excited about this building. When i first Raymo post it, I sent him an email seeking more info. I don't know about the brick addition yet. I'm still trying to figure out size. Raymo gave me the basic floor plan dimensions and the rest is up to me. I need to clean off the "old drafting table" so I can do some scale drawings before I start with cardboard. I'll keep everyone apprised of my progress. This is going to take some time, at least for me.
Good to hear from you. Hope the Amherst show is good for you. Too many things going on here otherwise I would make the long trek.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 04, 2015, 09:00:21 AM
Frank,
I'll get more photos of the layout up in a day or two. I've been very busy being retired! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry I missed the call the other day. I'll be here most of today - in the train room that is.
Tom ;D
Good Morning Tom,
Sounds like retirement is treating you well. "In the train room most of the day" is a good mantra. I try, but the wife keeps finding things for me to do. Keep working on the build, post lots of pics and watch your head.
Frank / Erieman
Good Morning All,
After my brief initial post, i have been working on the design of the structure using the photographs that Raymo sent me. I have started with the basis floor plan dimensions. From the floor plan, I am working on the elevations. I have been looking at all the photographs and establishing how the building was constructed and what size each detail might be. I am making design details and adding dimensions. This is reverse design engineering of a building since that's all I have. Time will tell how it all works out. This is very time consuming because of the size of the structure. Obviously , it would be a lot easier if the building was just down the street. anybody have a friend that lives in St. Johnsbury, Vermont? I could send him layout segments of the building and he could fill in the dimensions. Oh well, nice try. Besides it's cold and snowy back there. I'll just have to keep on doing it the old fashion way.
This is probably the hardest and most time consuming part of the structure. Once all the dimensions and design details are completed, construction of the model will go quite rapidly. Or so I hope. There are a lot of very interesting details and weathering characteristics on this building. That being said, i better get back to it. Have a great day.
I will be posting images of the design details as they become available.
Have a great day.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
Great looking structure - very neat project! I'm looking forward to following along - and I sure hope there's nothing wrong with having a dozen projects going at once - I sure can't keep from doing it. That reminds me - add putting a box full of tree makings supplies together for making trees at Frank's to the list. We are having below zero temperatures here this week may just start that way sooner than planed. ;)
Frank and John,
If I didn't have all the various projects going at one time I'd feel like I wasn't doing any at all. ;D ;D ;D
Tom 8)
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 07, 2015, 07:47:57 AM
Frank and John,
If I didn't have all the various projects going at one time I'd feel like I wasn't doing any at all. ;D ;D ;D
Tom 8)
Good Morning Tom,
I know what of what you speak. I don't dare count how many train related items are in planning, under construction, etc... then there is the house, and my mothers house and more. And, of course, the divisional newsletter is coming due. I'm not complaining, how about a little overwhelmed. Love it, especially being retired. Russ was down the other day and we installed a wireless extender in my room. He had the same problem in his train room. He kept losing signal on his phone controlling his trains. The wireless extender solved the problem. It now works in my room. It also will work on my phone with Skype. so we should try viewing the layout. Call me on Skype (phone) when you emerge from under the layout. Hopefully better than the last time.
Have a great day.
Frank / Erieman
Good Morning All.
Thought I would bring everyone up to date of the buildings progress. First, Raymo and I have agreed that the clapboard siding is probably 4 1/2" versus two other larger sizes. With that information, I started to count. From the bottom of the building upwards to windows, doors, porches, etc... you get the idea. Then I multiplied the number of boards by 4.6 and divided by 12. Now you have the dimension, plus or minus a bit. I have been drawing both the front and side elevations, along with the top elevation. Boy, is this building big, I mean really BIG!!! Raymo commented that his numbers were +/- a foot or two. While his numbers come out to 113 feet, I have made it 115 feet long. One of the building additions just didn't look right. Just a little artistic license to make the building looked better. IMHO ( In my humble opinion)
In an earlier post, I inquired if anyone on the forum lived near or had a friend nearby to help on this project. Well, as luck would have it, Dave Emery has a friend in St. Johnsbury. Better yet, she is a librarian there. I am waiting to hear from here and discuss if she might be able to find some historical information on the structure. This is exciting. I hoping to hear from her soon to discuss this building project. Based on the current weather back there, she is probably staying close to the fireplace. Br-r-r-r-r.
Well, that's about all for now. Stay tuned.
Frank / Erieman
So-o-o, in the meantime, I count clapboard siding to get better dimensional information.
Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 12:04:03 PM
Good Morning All.
Thought I would bring everyone up to date of the buildings progress. First, Raymo and I have agreed that the clapboard siding is probably 4 1/2" versus two other larger sizes. With that information, I started to count. From the bottom of the building upwards to windows, doors, porches, etc... you get the idea. Then I multiplied the number of boards by 4.6 and divided by 12. Now you have the dimension, plus or minus a bit. I have been drawing both the front and side elevations, along with the top elevation. Boy, is this building big, I mean really BIG!!! Raymo commented that his numbers were +/- a foot or two. While his numbers come out to 113 feet, I have made it 115 feet long. One of the building additions just didn't look right. Just a little artistic license to make the building looked better. IMHO ( In my humble opinion)
In an earlier post, I inquired if anyone on the forum lived near or had a friend nearby to help on this project. Well, as luck would have it, Dave Emery has a friend in St. Johnsbury. Better yet, she is a librarian there. I am waiting to hear from here and discuss if she might be able to find some historical information on the structure. This is exciting. I hoping to hear from her soon to discuss this building project. Based on the current weather back there, she is probably staying close to the fireplace. Br-r-r-r-r.
Well, that's about all for now. Stay tuned.
Frank / Erieman
So-o-o, in the meantime, I count clapboard siding to get better dimensional information.
Anyone that counts clapboard siding for this hobby is a SERIOUS modeler!
Randy..
I think you are on to something here...
I've heard of rivet counters but never clapboard counters.
Are they clap counters? ? ? ? Or simply board counters ? ? ? ? ?
staggers the imagination.
see ya
Bob
Quote from: Randee on January 08, 2015, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 12:04:03 PM
Good Morning All.
Thought I would bring everyone up to date of the buildings progress. First, Raymo and I have agreed that the clapboard siding is probably 4 1/2" versus two other larger sizes. With that information, I started to count. From the bottom of the building upwards to windows, doors, porches, etc... you get the idea. Then I multiplied the number of boards by 4.6 and divided by 12. Now you have the dimension, plus or minus a bit. I have been drawing both the front and side elevations, along with the top elevation. Boy, is this building big, I mean really BIG!!! Raymo commented that his numbers were +/- a foot or two. While his numbers come out to 113 feet, I have made it 115 feet long. One of the building additions just didn't look right. Just a little artistic license to make the building looked better. IMHO ( In my humble opinion)
In an earlier post, I inquired if anyone on the forum lived near or had a friend nearby to help on this project. Well, as luck would have it, Dave Emery has a friend in St. Johnsbury. Better yet, she is a librarian there. I am waiting to hear from here and discuss if she might be able to find some historical information on the structure. This is exciting. I hoping to hear from her soon to discuss this building project. Based on the current weather back there, she is probably staying close to the fireplace. Br-r-r-r-r.
Well, that's about all for now. Stay tuned.
Frank / Erieman
So-o-o, in the meantime, I count clapboard siding to get better dimensional information.
Anyone that counts clapboard siding for this hobby is a SERIOUS modeler!
Randy,
Thanks for stopping by. I thought the comment about counting clapboard siding would raise something and you were the first. Well, I might be crazy, but St. Johnsbury, Vermont is a long way from Scottsdale, Arizona, so-o-o, I count boards. Besides, nobody I know would go out and measure anything this time of year. The photos that Raymo took are very well defined, so counting is not as bad as you think. Well, kinda. This is a big building and I am thinking I might have to use some selective compression to bring it down a bit. I'll know better in a couple of weeks. I will make a cardstock model from the drawing and then i can see what a monster the building really is. For now, it's counting clapboard sides and figuring out the building details. the trim around the roof is quite intricate. SRMW had a building that has some of the same feature that are on this building. Delabarre Woolens has a very similar roof detail. Well, back to it, thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: bparrish on January 08, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
Randy..
I think you are on to something here...
I've heard of rivet counters but never clapboard counters.
Are they clap counters? ? ? ? Or simply board counters ? ? ? ? ?
staggers the imagination.
see ya
Bob
Bob,
How about a bored counter! It does work, but it is tedious. Thanks for stopping by. I will await another person who thinks I am nuts for counting, but he is on the night crew. We all know who he is!
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
Bob,
How about a bored counter! It does work, but it is tedious. Thanks for stopping by. I will await another person who thinks I am nuts for counting, but he is on the night crew. We all know who he is!
Frank / Erieman
I think that it's a wonerfull idee, as long as I don't have to do the countin' and calcalatin'!
The Ledbetters can only count so high, and calcalatin' is a whole nuther world!!
The only thing that I spent that much time countin' was how many petticoats were under the gal's dresses
on Candy's dioramies!!! I ain't givin' the final answer, but it was a bunch!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Whatever the final build will be,it will look fine. I'm sure Mr. VanGelder moved a few things around to get the right look when doing his kits. As my late Father would say ,"We're all counting on Ya" Raymo
Quote from: gnatshop on January 08, 2015, 06:25:07 PM
Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
Bob,
How about a bored counter! It does work, but it is tedious. Thanks for stopping by. I will await another person who thinks I am nuts for counting, but he is on the night crew. We all know who he is!
Frank / Erieman
I think that it's a wonerfull idee, as long as I don't have to do the countin' and calcalatin'!
The Ledbetters can only count so high, and calcalatin' is a whole nuther world!!
The only thing that I spent that much time countin' was how many petticoats were under the gal's dresses
on Candy's dioramies!!! I ain't givin' the final answer, but it was a bunch!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
David,
I don't know how to address all your information, but its sounds like fun. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Raymo on January 08, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
Whatever the final build will be,it will look fine. I'm sure Mr. VanGelder moved a few things around to get the right look when doing his kits. As my late Father would say ,"We're all counting on Ya" Raymo
Thanks Dan. No pressure here. I like the challenge for sure. The more that I look at it, I will have to use selective compression to make this baby smaller. It's your fathers comment that has me worried. Only kidding!!! I'm up for the challenge, just ask anybody.
Frank / Erieman
Giood Evening everyone,
Well, I have been working on the elevation drawings of the building ( top, side and front). After looking at the drawing for several days, I have decided to use some selective compression of the building, mostly in overall length. I have finished the end view and like what I see. The front view is partially complete and I think it will be fine. More about the overall design in a week or so.
I have asked the Historical Society in St. Johnsbury for any information about the building. The first bit of information is that the East End Market was once a meat market. While the sign on the north end of the building implied East End Market, it was unclear what type of market. That also explains the garage door on the north end of the building. Probably for shipping and receiving of meat boxed or carcasses. This offers some possible interesting features for the building.
Dan has blown up some details of the building which are quite interesting to model. One the back of the roof on South extension is a gutter that HANGS from the roof. Dan and I have discussed this detail and wonder why it is hanging. If you look close, there appears to be some type of duct running right below the roof. The duct has two vents out to the back of the building. Another question. Isn't this fun trying to figure out why this was done? Well, back to the drawings.
More later...
Frank / Erieman
The St. Johnsbury Historical Society has been very helpful in seeking information on this building. Some of it has been by mail, some by email and several responses by folks that I have or need to talk with. That is ongoing. In the meantime, I am working on the drawings of the structure. As I may have mentioned, I am using some selective compression on the structure. I decided this after looking at the first drawing that I did. I think the current drawing is significantly better in relationship to scale. I have attached two drawings of the building's progress. The main building is missing the small building on the left end because the paper was too short. I have been told that portion of the building might have been a fire station. A horse drawn fire station. I am in process of confirming that. The second drawing is the North end of the building. I am holding off continuing the drawings until I have a chance to compile more information about the building. After looking at the drawing and sites on the layout, I have selected a site on the layout. To make matters more complex, I will be constructing the structure in reverse and backwards. Due to the elevation change, I want the higher portion of the building to be on the left. More on to the reason for this and the topography latter. In the meantime, enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
That is going to be one fantastic structure. I see another winner in the future.
Tom ;D
Nice drawings. Which part of the building would have been the firehouse, the left end where there was a door or the middle where neither one of us was sure there was a garage type entry? Also the front of the building faces west and the end faces south, not that it matters. ;) DJR
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 14, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
Frank,
That is going to be one fantastic structure. I see another winner in the future.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom for your kind words. Looking forward to this build, but I have a lot of information still to acquire before I start the final build. This will be fun, no question. My plan is to build this over the summer and take it to the regional convention here in Scottsdale in September. Going to be busy year!!!
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Raymo on January 14, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
Nice drawings. Which part of the building would have been the firehouse, the left end where there was a door or the middle where neither one of us was sure there was a garage type entry? Also the front of the building faces west and the end faces south, not that it matters. ;) DJR
Good Evening Dan, Glad you like the drawings. Ran out of room on the paper on the main building drawing to include the far left structure. I get the impression that the far left building was the firehouse. I'll know more when I get some information from Howard Reed. Several other people have mentioned the same thing. Sorry about my references to the compass. Force of habit to say that North is to my right. Now that you have given me the correct direction, it will be noted on the drawing and in any further references. The drawing that i have posted has been selectively compresses by about 10% in length only. I think it works much better. Several other views to draw and then I will have them copied so I can mount them to cardstock. Then I will build the cardstock model to reference the model in its environment,
Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
While I continue drawing the building, I have been getting information from the Fairbanks Museum in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. It turns out that the Portland and Ogdensburg Railroad ran behind the building. I have been getting names of prior owners of the home as well. No real history on the beginning of the building yet, but I keep looking. In the meantime, I have been looking at integrating this structure into the layout. The photo below shows a birds eye view of two sets of white blocks. the lower set of blocks is for the SRMW "Tucker and Cook Yarn Mill. a trolley line runs from the left side between the two building complex and off to the right. The upper blocks is for the East End Market structure. Because of the terrain, I am going to have to build the building in reverse and backwards. Confused, so am I. Essentially the large building will on your right, facing the top of the page. The two smaller buildings will be to the left facing the top of the page. Anyway, I'll have to redraw the building complex to make a cardstock building. Whoa is me. FYI, there are two bridges, one on the left and one on the right. Former images in my mind of Pittsburgh. Kinda crazy, isn't it. Anyway, these are my thoughts for the moment. More about the complex soon.
Frank / Erieman
Morning Frank,
This is turning out to be a great adventure for all of us.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 17, 2015, 07:46:11 AM
Morning Frank,
This is turning out to be a great adventure for all of us.
Tom ;D
Good Morning Tom,
Glad you are enjoying the trip. One of the people in the know is wintering just South of you, the others too cold to leave Vermont. One gentleman does not have internet, so I am using snail mail. Talking about going back in time! Can't be in a rush on this project. Each day i try to get a little bit done on this puzzle. today, this is my current location choice. Thanks for stopping by. I just found out that one of the people who might know more about the building is wintering in Leesburg, Fl. I am trying to contact him by phone.
Frank / Erieman
Looks like a really interesting setup, Frank.
Lots of interesting shaped plots and changes in elevation. Looking forward to watching it develop.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 17, 2015, 02:52:39 PM
Looks like a really interesting setup, Frank.
Lots of interesting shaped plots and changes in elevation. Looking forward to watching it develop.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
Thanks for stopping by. This project is developing slowly because I really want to have some history behind the building. Several of the people that I have been referred to do not have email, so its snail mail or phone to get information. I talked to someone who lived in the building for many years. His father owned the building when it was the East End Market. He is 88 and has a good memory of the building. It's still slow going, but some forward progress is being made. I continue to look at the structure location and need to model the topography of the area before I make a final decision on the orientation of the building. Glad you stopped by.
Frank / Erieman
An update on the progress of East End Market. Last week I received the names of several people who either lived in the building or know some of the history of the building. I have sent letters to two of these people because they do not have email. I phoned the third person, Mr Clouatre, who's father owned the building from the mid 30's and operated it as the East End Market. Mr. Clouatre is now 88 and still has an interesting memory of the building. His father ran the market on the first floor. There were apartments on other floors. Mr. Clouatre thought that I wanted to buy the building and I had to explain that I was only seeking information to build a scale model. He warned me that the building was in a sad state of repair. I assured him that I was not interested in taking on such an enormous project. The scale model will be enough! I believe that building was constructed around 1900. First as one building then two separate buildings and joined together as you see presently. The old Portland and Ogdensburg Railroad ran behind the building.
I have completed the drawings of the building. with some selective compression ( very minor) beening done to bring the structure into a more pleasant scale. I will be spray mounting the prints onto cardstock to create a three dimensional model of the building. As I noted in a prior post, I have selected a site for the building on the layout and when the white model is complete, will be placed in this area to verify the location.
I talked to Raymo late this afternoon and asked him if he wanted a copy of the building. I will be sending Dan a copy of the drawing for all his help on this project. After all, If he hadn't posted the photo of the building in the first place, this project would not be happening. I have attached two photos. One with the front view and on with the rear view of the building. Stay tuned early next week for the cardstock model.
Frank / Erieman
Two Dimension to three dimensions. I decided to make the three dimensional model today. Actually, once I get into a project like this, it is hard to do something else and believe me, I have plenty of other things to do around the house and on the layout! I went over to the local art store and purchased a couple of two ply cardstock sheets. then I trimmed the drawings down to eliminate some of the extra white space. I then took the drawings outside, placed them on some newspaper and sprayed them with 3M mounting cement. Then I applied the print to the cardstock. Front, back and one end were cemented.
Then I started cutting out the rear part of the structure. You also want to remove the parts that are not on the same plain. On the back of the building, the garage tower and small building appendage were cut out for future gluing. On the front of the model is the main door which extend out six feet from the back wall. There is also the porches. There actually three porches; two on the main building and one long one on the middle building. More about those later. I use Elmers yellow wood glue almost exclusively for all the building I do. Dries fast and adheres extremely well. I also cut some 45 degree triangles for corner bracing. Occasionally I use a small steel block to keep the corners square. The corner bracing stiffens the cardstock very nicely. corners are the most important. the photos show the from and rear views of the building. As you can see from the pictures, Roof panels will be added after the body of the structure is completed. On the front entry, I need to add both walls to the front panel. On the one end, I need to add the end wall. There is a small outbuilding that needs an end wall. I made four copies of the building so I can cut some of the scribed walls and add to the model. Or not. The front porches will be constructed from another print, mounted on cardstock and glued in place.
More tomorrow, I hope.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
It looks like the project is going well - there is no substitute for good cardboard mockups for visualizing where the project is going. Love it.
Franks mockups are better then a whole lot of kits out there.
Looking very interesting, Frank.
The roofs will really help define things.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: S&S RR on January 24, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Frank
It looks like the project is going well - there is no substitute for good cardboard mockups for visualizing where the project is going. Love it.
John.
Good to hear from you. Glad you like the mockup. i'll post a few more pics of my progress momentarily. mockups really do make the build muck easier. Helps you to find the Oh shits real fast. More pics in a bit.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Janbouli on January 24, 2015, 01:12:24 PM
Franks mockups are better then a whole lot of kits out there.
Jan,
Mockups help to realize the building quicker and cheaper. As far as being better than a whole bunch of kits, well.... thanks for stopping by. more pics momentarily.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 24, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
Looking very interesting, Frank.
The roofs will really help define things.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
Thanks for stopping by. did some yard work and some building work. Got quite a bit of the roof and porches done. Thought you might want to see the progress. Here a couple different views of the building. I am going to place the building with the back facing the layout, but angled so that from either aisle, you can see the front. In pic one, you see the footprint of another building. i will be placing another SRMW building - Tucker & Cook Yarn Mill in front. A trolley runs between them. Enjoy the pics.
Frank / Erieman
Well, the weekend is over, not that it means anything to those that are retired! I have put the finishing touched on the white model. Now I will leave it alone for a while to take in the location that I have selected for the building. I have taken a few more pics that show it in place. Now I still have to look at what other buildings might be across the street. So take a look and enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
That's going to be another great scene.....good work Frank! 8)
Frank, I always really enjoy your scratch builds. Can't wait to see this one unfold.
Frank,
The mockup looks great so I expect the model will be another blue ribbon type for you!
Looking forward to the build.
Tom ;D
So inspired by this thread that I had to join the forum!
Really impressed by the thoughtful and detailed steps you're taking to create this build. Very informative SBS - I find your discussion of location and how to situate the buildings for best viewing especially valuable.
Will be attentively watching from the sidelines! Keep up the great work,
~Kingred
Quote from: Kingred on January 26, 2015, 04:42:00 PM
So inspired by this thread that I had to join the forum!
Really impressed by the thoughtful and detailed steps you're taking to create this build. Very informative SBS - I find your discussion of location and how to situate the buildings for best viewing especially valuable.
Will be attentively watching from the sidelines! Keep up the great work,
~Kingred
Kingred,
Thank you for the kind words and welcome to the forum. you will find a lot of wonderful talented modelers here. We all hope that you enjoy the forum and participate. I am glad you found my thread inspiring enough to join the forum. Welcome.
It is probably the designer in me that looks at locations and positioning of the structures. I have been making many of my newer structures on "platforms" that can be moved or removed, but blend into the scenery. Having once taken a layout apart, I do not wish to make the next teardown a "Texas chainsaw Massacre". Please continue to stop by and comment often. The thread will now go dormant for about a month while I work on other details of the layout. You can find more about my layout at my layout thread on the Morristown & Erie - Western Division. Stop by over there and take a look.
Thank you again for your kind words and I hope you visit often and remember - we love pictures.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 25, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
That's going to be another great scene.....good work Frank! 8)
Thanks Greg. Keeps me off the streets and out of the bars! Only kidding.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: coors2u on January 26, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Frank, I always really enjoy your scratch builds. Can't wait to see this one unfold.
Dustin,
Thanks for your kind words. I do enjoy scratch building and glad other people enjoy the work. As I mentioned, this thread will go dormant for a bit of time while I get a few other things done on the railroad. Keep checking in.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 26, 2015, 10:43:36 AM
Frank,
The mockup looks great so I expect the model will be another blue ribbon type for you!
Looking forward to the build.
Tom ;D
Tom,
Thanks for your kind words. As I mentioned to Dustin, this build is going dormant for a bit while I work on the railroad. I have both ends of the railroad shut down so I can make a change in the track. The good news is that both are located right next to each other. I am removing two bridges so I can put in more buildings. This will also allow me to expand the storage track area for more passenger cars. No, I am not buying any more, just pulling them out of storage!
Once I complete the track changes, I will get back to the East End Market build. I also have to finish the repair on the train roof soffit. So you can see, I have a lot to do. enjoy your week.
Frank / Erieman
Good Afternoon All,
I received a letter from another person (Archie) who has been able to provide a little more information on this structure. Archie is a snowbird, spending Winter and Spring in Florida and St. Johnsbury for thessummer / Fall. According some of the information I have acquired to date, the building was constructed back in the late 1800's / early 1900's. Who built the building and how much of the building was part of the initial structure, is still unknown.
According to Archie, from 1923 to 1946, the building occupied by the Renfew family. In 1946, the building was sold to the Cloutre family. Mr. Cloutre then opened his East End Market. In 1974 he sold the business to his son, Alex.( FYI, I have talked to Alex who is now in his 80's.) Alex ran the East End Market until 1986. It has many apartments. Because of the size of the building there have been several other businesses there. The two story building on the left has been a horse drawn fire station, a car garage, a shoe repair shop and a religious meeting place. The entrance to the meat market was on the lower floor of the main building. There was Smith's Groceries on the main building, main floor back in the 20's and 30's. Singer sewing machine, vacuum and repair store occupied the main floor on the right.
Archie gave me the name of the current owner and I will be talking to him next week to see what more I can find out. I am still trying to find out who and when the building was built. Perhaps the current owner will know more.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, count me in for following your build. Not only from a modeler's perspective, but the fascinating history of this building. "If walls could talk" as they say. You picked a real winner for a scratch project.
Quote from: UP Fan on January 31, 2015, 06:01:03 PM
Frank, count me in for following your build. Not only from a modeler's perspective, but the fascinating history of this building. "If walls could talk" as they say. You picked a real winner for a scratch project.
Bob,
Thanks for stopping by. I have to agree with you, that the history of this building gives it a "flavor". I don't know how much I can find out about the "Talking Walls". That might be a real challenge considering the distance between Arizona and Vermont, but you never know. I am still trying to find out as much as possible about the build and who / what business might have occupied it. Especially in the early years. This was a huge building back at the turn of century. The main building was over 5,000 sq. ft. and had a partial basement below that. It is too bad that the building has fallen into such disrepair. You can thank Raymo for posting this building about a year ago. While I have been busy working on other structures ( including SRMW "Hookers" - which happens to be in the same town) I never forgot about this building. Dan has been a real help with the building. That's what is good about this forum. And I love scratchbuilding. :) :) :)
Frank / Erieman
Hi Erieman:
This could be a really great project. Enjoy the build. I shall be watching.
Karl
Frank,
I've been watching your build on this wonderful project from the beginning. As a firm
believer in mock ups, it's hard for me to believe this isn't the finished product. The
amount of research you've put into this is well worth it and I'll bet gives you a lot of
satisfaction. Can't wait to see how you will build the actual model.
John
Quote from: postalkarl on February 05, 2015, 12:32:05 PM
Hi Erieman:
This could be a really great project. Enjoy the build. I shall be watching.
Karl
Karl,
Thanks for stopping by and your kind words. This has been quite an interesting project so far. I have a lot of research still to complete before I start the build. Currently, the structure is in a holding pattern while i make some track and switch machine modifications in the area. I also have to build/ modify a elevated trolley bridge in this area. so much to do, so little time. Stay tuned.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: jbelwood on February 05, 2015, 09:51:13 PM
Frank,
I've been watching your build on this wonderful project from the beginning. As a firm
believer in mock ups, it's hard for me to believe this isn't the finished product. The
amount of research you've put into this is well worth it and I'll bet gives you a lot of
satisfaction. Can't wait to see how you will build the actual model.
John
John,
I am glad you are enjoying the design and build of East End Market. The white models really make the project go a lot better and faster.You'll know when it is the finished model because it will have a lot more detail. Since this is quite close to the aisle, I try to make the model as real as possible. I have seen your layout and know that you do the same thing. I especially like your waterfront with those gorgeous boats . I have just finished a SRMW kit by Bob Van Gelder. Raymo mentioned that the East end Market that I am building is in the same town as the East End Market. Small world. As I mentioned to Karl, I have a trolley line to put in place between this building and another SRMW structure. I'll probably build East end Market first, then the the SRMW Tucker & Cook Mill.
Thank you for your kind words. Glad you are enjoying the build. More soon John. In the meantime, You can see some of my other scratch and kit built structures on my other thread in this forum: Morristown & Erie Railroad - Western Division.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on February 05, 2015, 10:33:44 PM
so much to do, so little time. Stay tuned. Frank / Erieman
Dam, folks just don't realize how retirement just adds extra time to fill up with
more and more need-to's!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: gnatshop on February 05, 2015, 11:06:22 PM
Quote from: Erieman on February 05, 2015, 10:33:44 PM
so much to do, so little time. Stay tuned. Frank / Erieman
Dam, folks just don't realize how retirement just adds extra time to fill up with
more and more need-to's!! ;D ;D ;D
David,
You are so right. And those honey do's keep getting in the way!
Frank / Erieman
Raymo mentioned that the East end Market that I am building is in the same town as the East End Market.
Frank / Erieman
Just a correction, It's in the same town as Reed Supply, AKA Hooker and Sons. They're about 2000 feet from each other as the crow flies.(https://modelersforum.com/1-St.%20J%20005.JPG) (http://modelersforum.com/1-St.%20J%20005.JPG)
Quote from: Raymo on February 06, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
Raymo mentioned that the East end Market that I am building is in the same town as the East End Market.
Frank / Erieman
Just a correction, It's in the same town as Reed Supply, AKA Hooker and Sons. They're about 2000 feet from each other as the crow flies.(https://modelersforum.com/1-St.%20J%20005.JPG) (http://modelersforum.com/1-St.%20J%20005.JPG)
Dan,
Thanks for correcting my OOP's. I guess I did not proof read this one or it was late in the day! On my layout, the two structures will be about 15 feet and several towns apart. I have been planning what structures will surround East End Market and have several candidates in mind. More about that later.
On another subject, today I and several other helpers are replacing a fascia board on the train building. the board is 2"x12"x24 feet long. This is one heavy mother and is about 16 feet off the ground. I'll be glad when this project is done. The good news is that it will be a lovely sunny day. If I have time during this project, I'll try to take a picture.
Frank / Erieman
Frank...I'm loving watching this one evolve.....love the detail and research you go to for your builds....great stuff!!
Quote from: Erieman on February 07, 2015, 09:41:09 AM
Quote from: Raymo on February 06, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
Raymo mentioned that the East end Market that I am building is in the same town as the East End Market.
On another subject, today, I and several other helpers are replacing a fascia board on the train building. the board is 2"x12"x24 feet long and has been showing signs of disrepair. When wood checks out here, it is bad. It is amazing what all the sun does to wood. This is one heavy mother and is about 16 feet off the ground. I'll be glad when this project is done. The good news is that it will be a lovely sunny day. If I have time during this project, I'll try to take a picture.
Five hours later and the old fascia on the train building has been removed and the new fascia added. Here are a couple of pictures of me and my helpers during the removal and replacement process. Glad that project is done. Painting comes Monday. It may look small, but that fascia board was 24 feet long. now back to the railroad.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: jlgrove on February 07, 2015, 10:12:45 AM
Frank...I'm loving watching this one evolve.....love the detail and research you go to for your builds....great stuff!!
Jeff,
Good to hear from you. Glad you are following along. Lots of research on this build, but fun. I'll be starting the actual build real soon.
Frank / Erieman
Erieman,
that will be a fantastic build and the work you are doing on research about the history is great.Can´t wait to see more progress on this on and will follow along..
Cheers,Chris
Frank,
It appears you are very thrilled to be working on a 1:1 repair. And, I'm sure you are happy the job is finished.
Tom ;D
Frank, You have my address,put a little of that sunshine in a envelope and send it my way,PLEASE 8) Raymo
Dan, Why are we still here??
I wasn't smart enough to play the lottery last night :'(
Quote from: Raymo on February 08, 2015, 10:09:24 AM
I wasn't smart enough to play the lottery last night :'(
Nobody won, it's up to $450m. That could buy a lot of trains. And it's actually a 'good bet' (payoff is more than odds of winning, 1/175,223,501. Of course, you have a much better chance to be hit by lightning...)
dave
Quote from: Twist67 on February 08, 2015, 05:49:50 AM
Erieman,
that will be a fantastic build and the work you are doing on research about the history is great.Can´t wait to see more progress on this on and will follow along..
Cheers,Chris
Chris,
Thanks for stopping by. glad you like the project so far. As you can see, I have been sidelined with a repair to the train room structure. the hard part is done and with a little paint tomorrow, it will be done so I can get back to this project. I need to contact some more folks in St. Johnsbury to see what more can be added to the structure story.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 08, 2015, 08:38:19 AM
Frank,
It appears you are very thrilled to be working on a 1:1 repair. And, I'm sure you are happy the job is finished.
Tom ;D
Top of the Morning Tom,
You have that right. Glad it is done except for the painting. Those guys were a lot of help. That 24 foot fascia board was one heavy mother. Need to get back to the railroad. visitors coming next week to help me with trees. I talked to John the other day and mentioned that he couldn't wait to get here. He was tired of winter. Well, need to get back to the railroad. Have a great day and I look forward to seeing some pics of level two on your layout.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Raymo on February 08, 2015, 09:09:30 AM
Frank, You have my address,put a little of that sunshine in a envelope and send it my way,PLEASE 8) Raymo
Dan and Ollevon,
Sorry about my comments about our weather. You guys are really getting hammered this year. Our bad weather is in the summer months when the temperature gets over a 100 degrees. That will be here soon enough and then I will really be in the train room a lot. Our summer is like your winter as far as the hobby is concerned. Like anything else, too much of anything gets tiring. As nice as it is outside, I still like to be in the train room. Have a great weekend and I hope the next storm is not as bad as forecast.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: deemery on February 08, 2015, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: Raymo on February 08, 2015, 10:09:24 AM
I wasn't smart enough to play the lottery last night :'(
Nobody won, it's up to $450m. That could buy a lot of trains. And it's actually a 'good bet' (payoff is more than odds of winning, 1/175,223,501. Of course, you have a much better chance to be hit by lightning...)
dave
Dave, Not only could that kind of money buy a lot of trains, it probably buy a small real railroad. Only saying. Not including what Uncle Sam gets out of it!
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on February 08, 2015, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: deemery on February 08, 2015, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: Raymo on February 08, 2015, 10:09:24 AM
I wasn't smart enough to play the lottery last night :'(
Nobody won, it's up to $450m. That could buy a lot of trains. And it's actually a 'good bet' (payoff is more than odds of winning, 1/175,223,501. Of course, you have a much better chance to be hit by lightning...)
dave
Dave, Not only could that kind of money buy a lot of trains, it probably buy a small real railroad. Only saying. Not including what Uncle Sam gets out of it!
Frank / Erieman
It strikes me that buying a small real railroad would be a great way to turn that back into the original $2 investment! :P
dave
It strikes me that buying a small real railroad would be a great way to turn that back into the original $2 investment! :P
dave
Is that based on the quality of engineers that you could recruit here on the forum?
They can't fix a problem unless they can pick up the locomotive and look it over!
Their first idea would be to blame it on dirty tracks, and go down to the local day labor site to hire some
track cleaners!!!
Good Morning all,
After quite a bit of time away from this build to complete other structures, it is now time to start in this project full time. Using the drawing sheet, I have been adding dimensions for cutting the main siding pieces. I purchased enough to cover any oops that might occur. I have found that I am going to have to build several sections twice (hopefully). The reason is construction. specifically, on the right end of the building, there is a combination of clapboard siding and shingle. This created a depth issue requiring layering behind the shingle. the first layer is a plain piece of 1/16 wood. Added to the top is the 1/16 clapboard siding. Before adding the shingles, the plain piece need to be built up with cardstock. There is also the addition of the building corners. On one end of the building is a garage. That too is part clapboard siding and part shingle. Same selection of materials. cutting in Windows is a bit of a task because of the thickness.
The end is finally cut. Now remember, this is not the final end, but merely a test piece!!! There are a slew of roof details that have to be added ( somehow) ( stock or custom?) I will also be adding the shingles to test the thickness issues. This is one of several components that will have to be built for test before building the real final parts. Here is a picture of what is currently completed. I will be working on the shingle portion this afternoon.
Frank / Erieman
Nice to see you back at this, Frank.
The first wall looks good.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on June 02, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
Nice to see you back at this, Frank.
The first wall looks good.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
This wall is only a test wall and it has been an interesting wall to build. Lots of challenges. I can tell from the progress to date that I will need a better square. Metal to metal vs. wood to metal. The shingles are working out well. I am now working my way thru the intersection of the roof to the walls, especially the front / rear intersection. SRMW has the same type of roof in the Delabarre Woolens kit. That is the good news. i just have to remember all the details and apply them here.
As a test wall, i hope that it will provide me enough information to speed up the build. One can hope!!! I'll be posting another picture in a few hours as I get further in on the intersection. Thanks for stopping by and yes, I'm back with this build until September 16th. That's when I hope I am done with this build.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
East End is going to be one fantastic structure. It will probably be a blue ribbon type structure. Just saying.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 02, 2015, 04:30:26 PM
Frank,
East End is going to be one fantastic structure. It will probably be a blue ribbon type structure. Just saying.
Tom ;D
Tom,
Thanks for your kind words. I thought that Chester Station was hard. OMG, this is going to be a bear and my schedule is really, really going to be tight. As you can see from the attached picture, this is as far as I got today, although the day is not quite over. As I mentioned, this is a test of one end of the building. The shingles fit real well and, with a few modifications, the roof details will be okay. This test gives me a real good feel for what to do to the building. already, my work area is a mess. I think I will clean up the work area before I go any farther.
There are a couple of other areas that I will probably need to modeled. I'm glad I bought a lot of wood because this puppy is going to use it. I talked to Jeff Grove about helping me with the corbels. I just need to draw them up. That will be another fun project. Anyway, East End Market is officially underway. Stay tuned for more fun in the sun.
Frank / Erieman
Well, The division meet is over. I sort of overwhelmed the contest room. I took O.V. Hooker, Tucker & Cook, a scratch built tower and a American Hoist & Derrick. now that is all done, it is on to East End Market. Because I am building these areas as modules, I have started the planning using pink foam.
For those of you who have seen the layout, I am working to the right of the entrance. This area is where both ends on the dogbone overlap each other. Initially, I have designed this area having tall structures in the middle creating a visual divide between the two towns on each side. On the right, lower level is Hoboken with East Orange on the upper level. On the left side you have Edison on the lower portion and West Orange on the upper level.
Well, as you can probably relate to, I am making some changes. By now you are probably scratching your head and wondering what @*(# I am talking about. Over half of my layout has SRMW structures. I also have many scratch build buildings and East End Market will be another scratch built structure from the Vermont area. They all have something in common. The reflect New England. By now everyone must think that I have been spending too much time in the sun. Not really. I am rethinking the height issue. The scenic / structure transition from lower level to higher level will be somewhat similar to the hills of downtown Pittsburgh. The number and scale of high rise buildings are going to be diminished to reflect a more representative New England town/city.I am still formulating this change in my head.In the meantime, East End Market needs to be constructed.
So-o-o, I have been using pink foam to mock up this area and seeing how it will blend into the city transition. Simply put, East End Market geographic's location is being included in the planning of the area. That being said, here are a couple of photos of the area in transition. I really need to solve this area quickly. Here are a couple of pics to give you an idea.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, Congratulations on your weekend showing. Your track placement is almost true to life. The Mountain Sub. ran at a similar angle to the end of the building as you have it crossing the road.
Frank,
The market is looking almost finished? How about some front and rear views.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Raymo on June 15, 2015, 08:41:28 PM
Frank, Congratulations on your weekend showing. Your track placement is almost true to life. The Mountain Sub. ran at a similar angle to the end of the building as you have it crossing the road.
Dan,
Thanks for your keen eye on placement. the track will be a trolley line, but what the heck, it's still a train. I feel comfortable with the placement and will be starting later in the week, I hope. Honey-do projects are getting in the way.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 16, 2015, 10:17:47 AM
Frank,
The market is looking almost finished? How about some front and rear views.
Tom ;D
Tom,
I like your sense of humor. Done, not hardly. That is just the white model. The rear and front views? can do. I have been research on the home owners and reviewing all the details from the photo's that Raymo has been taking for me. So I am making a series of sketches on the details and how to achieve them. The list continues to get larger. I hope that I can finish this project by mid September. I'll post front and rear views in a bit. Need to cool down. I've been working in the yard and its hot out there.
Frank / Erieman
Looks great Frank!!
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on June 16, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
Looks great Frank!!
Thanks Leo,
Here a couple of more pictures that ACL1504 asked for and thought you might enjoy them as well. these pics are close up of the white model from the front and back. Tom thinks I'm done. Right, NOT!!! I am finding the history about the building quite fascinating. I should probably post that and see what everyone else thinks. Maybe later today. thanks again for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
It really is a great looking structure, Frank.
Cheers, Mark.
Frank,
Good luck on building this beautiful structure that says New England and Vermont . It has lots of neat add additions added to it over the years to make it what it is. I can see why you liked the prototype photos. Will follow along on this thread and looks like between this build , all the convention prep , and getting the layout ready for the open house you will be really busy from now till the September convention. Keep the air conditioning running and the workbench on full throttle !
Tom
That's going to be a fantastic structure, Frank! It'll fit right in with all of the others. Thumbs up!
John
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on June 17, 2015, 01:22:22 AM
Frank,
Good luck on building this beautiful structure that says New England and Vermont . It has lots of neat add additions added to it over the years to make it what it is. I can see why you liked the prototype photos. Will follow along on this thread and looks like between this build , all the convention prep , and getting the layout ready for the open house you will be really busy from now till the September convention. Keep the air conditioning running and the workbench on full throttle !
Tom
Tom,
An that is only part of the list of things I have to do, but that's what keeps us young. Right. Thank you for the kind words on East End Market. It is progressing, slowly, but a lot of planning is going on. better to plan this model out first than to just jump in and cut wood.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Cuse on June 17, 2015, 08:17:42 AM
That's going to be a fantastic structure, Frank! It'll fit right in with all of the others. Thumbs up!
John
Good Morning John,
Thank you for your kind words. Lots of planning is going into this monster. And with the construction of this building, I am reviewing the structures in both East Orange and West Orange. They might just be too big. I had envisioned them as a view block, but now I am questioning that decision, but that's another day.
thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Frank that is some wonderful modeling. I envy your skill and patience in first building a mock-up before you build the real thing.
Quote from: Donato on June 17, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
Frank that is some wonderful modeling. I envy your skill and patience in first building a mock-up before you build the real thing.
Donato,
Thank you for your kind words. On another subject, have you given any more thoughts about coming to Arizona for the PSR Convention in September? I am giving a clinic on painting and weathering wood. You will be able to see the finished building ( I hope).
Frank / Erieman
Well done Frank.....that's going to look great when you get it finished. 8)
Good looking structure and scene coming together there Frank!
Quote from: Erieman on June 18, 2015, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: Donato on June 17, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
Frank that is some wonderful modeling. I envy your skill and patience in first building a mock-up before you build the real thing.
Donato,
Thank you for your kind words. On another subject, have you given any more thoughts about coming to Arizona for the PSR Convention in September? I am giving a clinic on painting and weathering wood. You will be able to see the finished building ( I hope).
Frank / Erieman
Frank I'm still considering it. Will have to see how some medical issues play out. I've gotten to the point where my back hurts all the time and I no longer get relief by sitting for a spell. Having an epidural injection today to see if it gives me any relief ..... surgery will be the next step.
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Donato,
Sorry to hear about your back. That needs to be in working order before you should ever consider getting on a plane. The airline seats are the worst. Keep in touch. Would think you would have a good time out here with all the clinics, layout tours, etc...
In the meantime, I have started the construction of the East End Market. Since this is a rather long structure, I am trying out a new idea to prevent warping. Over the years, I have found that long, rather thin structures have a tendency to curl up at the ends. This has happened on two prior structures. With that in mind, I have constructed a core that is braced to prevent sway ( curving left or right) and two large center webs to prevent curling / warping at the ends of the structure. the exterior walls will be built "OFF" the center core. The attached photo shows the almost completed center core. I have cut one of the long exterior walls and will cut the other tomorrow. I need to go to the LHS tomorrow and pick up some scale lumber that will mounted to the exterior walls, then glued to the central core. While this all sounds confusing, I think it will work and also prevent the distortion problems that have occurred on prior models. Wish me luck.
I have ordered the laser cut wood bricks from Jimmy Simmons which will be mounted to the base of the exterior wall. As you can see, there are a lot of windows on this building. That will occur next week.
Enough said for the evening. more in the next day or two.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
I'm following as well and am curious as to the exterior walls. The model shown above have no windows cut it. Does this mean you have to cut in windows after the wall are assembled? Or, does it mean this is actually an interior wall and the exterior walls will have the windows?
Inquiring minds and all that. Great build.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 20, 2015, 07:09:04 AM
Frank,
I'm following as well and am curious as to the exterior walls. The model shown above have no windows cut it. Does this mean you have to cut in windows after the wall are assembled? Or, does it mean this is actually an interior wall and the exterior walls will have the windows?
Inquiring minds and all that. Great build.
Tom ;D
Tom,
The model you see is an inner core with the exterior walls being attached to the inner core. The inner core is primarily for stiffness. There will be some window openings on the inner core for lighting effects (TBD). Does it mean this is actually an interior wall and the exterior walls will have the windows?All the windows and doors will be cut out of the outer exterior wall. An outer exterior wall is behind the inner core in the photo.
Frank / Erieman
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Tom,
Here is a picture of the exterior wall over the inner core. The window and door openings are lightly marked on the outer panel ready for cutting. I have not build a building this way so there is a learning curve to get it right. My biggest concerns are the mating walls. I've already cut this wall twice. Perseverance prevails along with sweat equity. Should have more sometime tomorrow to show you.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, I find e inner core idea interesting. When you build the previous structures that curled, was the inside painted/sealed?
Marty
Quote from: martin.ojaste on June 21, 2015, 08:19:21 AM
Frank, I find e inner core idea interesting. When you build the previous structures that curled, was the inside painted/sealed?
Marty
Marty,
the quick answer is no. That being said, I brace all the walls prior to any application of A&I/ pigment / etc...This has only occurred on the really long structures like Chester station and Ironia Station. Both are 20 plus inches in length. both buildings were heavily braced. both had a cardstock inner rib to prevent any potential foe warping in the long direction. The worst case of warp was on Ironia Station where the warp was consistent on both ends of the building ( about 1/8 at both ends. some yellow glue, a couple of "C" clamps and a plywood base and some groaning during the clamping process. About an hour later the clamps ere removed and held. Problem solved, kind of...
The front of most of my structures endure multiple layers (coats) of A&I and pigment. Pigment is never applied in full strength, but applied and wiped. A&I is applied, but not wiped.
I have considered applying pigment to both sides, but to date have not done so. Hence the technique that I am now trying. Essentially a web of a beam. The exterior walls will be braced / painted / A&I / etc..., then mounted to the center core. time will tell if this idea works.
If you have any thoughts, please let me know.
Frank / Erieman
I strongly feel that your technique will work. (keeping my fingers crossed)
Quote from: Donato on June 21, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
I strongly feel that your technique will work. (keeping my fingers crossed)
Donato,
Your comment is a big 10-4. I really hope that it works out too. I have been cutting openings for the doors and windows on the front of the building. hope to layout and cut the rear wall tomorrow. This is a slow process. I keep measuring the building for any signs of warp. so far, so good.
Frank / Erieman
Not a laughing matter - One of the dilemma facing scratch built structures is dimensional accuracy. An other is cutting all the openings very accurately. singularly or together, there is the possibility of disaster. As i was completing the front wall, I realized that I had a couple of mistakes or what ever you want to call it. so here I am cutting the second front wall. Just a quick update on the forward or backward progress of the structure. I will say, that the second cutting is progressing faster and better, but I better keep my mouth shut should I jinx this project. Back at it.
Frank / Erieman
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Progress is being made. All the four walls have been cut, windows added. The spacing from the center core to the exterior walls has been checked and looks great. There are some custom windows that need to be fabricated. The rear panel needs all the windows and doors cut, but that is another day. Pleased with the progress. More later...
Frank / Erieman
Looks like you are making great progress Frank. It's great when a plan starts coming together!
Frank, your scratch work is always so fascinating to me. Sure is looking good so far.
Quote from: S&S RR on June 23, 2015, 08:05:11 PM
Looks like you are making great progress Frank. It's great when a plan starts coming together!
Good Evening John,
Thanks for stopping by. progress on the layout and East end Market are coming along. How is your full size project coming. Looks like lots of storms back your way. Stay off the roof. I keep having to work on my plan every day. It may look easy, but don't fool yourself..Enjoy your week.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: coors2u on June 23, 2015, 09:21:20 PM
Frank, your scratch work is always so fascinating to me. Sure is looking good so far.
Dustin,
Thank you for your kind words. I really enjoy scratch building as you might have guessed. Always plenty to think about before every cut. I especially enjoy the structures from New England because of the interesting roof lines as well as unique structures. This one is especially interesting because there is so-o-o much going on. You really can't design everything beforehand because this would have been a major architectural project. It still is, but with some creative solutions that look good, or so I hope. I guess I should have been an architect, but no. Glad you are enjoying the build. I give a lot of credit for my skill and scratch building enjoyment to Bob Van Gelder. If you have ever built one of his SRMW structures, you know what I mean. Again, thank you for your kind words. Stay tuned for more of this project later in the week.
Frank / Erieman
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Good Afternoon All,
Well, progress is slow, but consistent. I still have bracing to do on several walls before I can assemble them. I have applied the first coat of paint as you can see from the photo. I painted the front first and the paint was not as "wet" as I would have liked. I typically like to have the first coat somewhat wet, so I can control the wiping of the pigment. I only use Acrylic paints. The sides and rear are a little more "on the thin side" which I prefer. The front also will have a lot more extra pieces "porches" to cover the rather heavy coating of pigment. The next color will be "White Wash" drybrushed on all the walls. The last color will be A&I to fill in the nail holes and loose boards that will be cut into the current walls. I typically assemble all the components to each wall first. Because these walls are so involved, I will probably assemble only the windows, then assemble all the walls to each other and then start on all the additional components. but, as we all know, everything is subject to change.
I have been sketching a lot of the structure details so I can figure how to build them. and when to build them! I need to pick up the build tempo once I get all the details designed, laser cutting dimensioned and purchased some more windows.
Frank / Erieman
While on a recent vacation, I had time to work out many design details of this structure. There are now many pages of design details which should aid me in the build. Pictures you say?! Well, I am almost ready to post some. To date, I have all the walls of the main structure cut. The front building wall is also painted and most of the windows installed. There are couple of windows that need to be scratch built. The small West wall is done. The other walls need bracing, window installation, etc. etc...
Yesterday I received a letter from Howard Reed in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. He is the area historian and has filled in a lot of details on the building. I thought that I would share them before I post some pictures.
The area that the building resides was originally called Summerville back in the 1800's. It was later annexed by St. Johnsbury. The town of Summerville was farm land. From 1803 - 1885, the land was farmed by Winthrop True. From 1885 - 1890, the Bishop Family owned the property. In 1890 the property was purchased by Edwin L. Hovey.
Edwin L. Hovey, was known as the father of Summerville. At nineteen, he left the farm and attended St. Johnsbury Academy. While a sophomore at Dartmouth college, a second call for troops came and Hovey enlisted. He returned from the war as a first lieutenant.
After the service, he returned home to Summerville. Stopping by to see his sister;Steven Richardson, his brother-in-law, sold him half the farm. In 1864 he married Ella Carr and settled down to farming.
He became interested in real estate ventures, buying the Tobias Lester and Armington farms - some 1800 acres. He purchased a printing plant and founded the St. Johnsbury Times. He sold the paper one year later and purchased a saw mill. In 1870, he purchased 18 acres from Winthrop True. While many thought that this was a folly, he laid out Lafayette, Lincoln, Liberty, American and East Streets in summerville and starting building houses. For 16 years, his saw mill sawed a half a million feet of lumber annually, During this period, he built around thirty houses.
Mr. Hovey has built or rebuilt all the stores on Portland Street, besides nearly 50 houses. He built the house at 623 Concord Avenue around 1900. Besides being a residence, the structure on the far west end of the building was made into a fire station. On word of a fire, horses were gathered from a nearby mill.
In 1905, the house was purchased by Roscoe Renfrew, who turned it into a general store and Post Office. The Post Office was run by Volney Powers.
In 1946, The Clouatre family purchased the structure and so began the East End Market. soon after, a fire occurred, causing several damage to the inside of the building. Alex Clouatre took over the business from his father and sold the business in the 1990's.
The building was sold and now sits empty. there has been no mention of the future of the building.
Well, that is what I know about the history of the structure. Pictures soon. enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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So here is a photo of the walls as they are currently. Doesn't look impressive or that I have gotten too far. All the windows have been heavily modified, many of the doors have also been modified, the big windows on the front wall are modified and the list goes on. I am hoping to have all the walls done early next week or so. At that point I will assemble the basic structure. All the front porches will come next, followed by the rear portions of the structure. There is still a loooong way to go.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, The walls look great! I don't know if you received my text yesterday but if the weather breaks, I'll try and get photos of that neighborhood this weekend.
Quote from: Raymo on July 18, 2015, 06:10:41 AM
Frank, The walls look great! I don't know if you received my text yesterday but if the weather breaks, I'll try and get photos of that neighborhood this weekend.
I got your text yesterday. Kind of hectic with my sister-in-law here. Really appreciate your help with this project.
Frank / Erieman
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Here is a pic of the main window details. There are two of these windows on the front of the building on the right side. I used a Grandt Line "O" scale 6 over 6 window and cut out some of the horizontal bracing to create a 3 over 3. I then added two pieces of styrene to create a new header for the window. the window frames were then enlarged with styrene strips to provide a broader window frame. All windows on the building have the same design. I will show you what I did to the smaller windows in a few.
The double front door has also been modified. I used styrene to create larger side rails for the door frame. There is a double door with glass windows. In front of that is a set of double doors with screen doors.
More in a bit.
Frank / Erieman
Hi Frank,
Looking nice. The windows look great. You sure like to do shingle, don't you. This is going to be a formidable challenge
Steve
Glad to see you back at it Frank.....really neat structure & backstory. 8)
Quote from: sdrees on July 18, 2015, 10:08:08 PM
Hi Frank,
Looking nice. The windows look great. You sure like to do shingle, don't you. This is going to be a formidable challenge
Steve
Steve,
Yes, I love shingles, especially ones that have a lot of laser burn on them. If you notice, I ran the burned shingles up from the bottom and non burned near the top where they would have been shaded from the sun and environment. Another item for the judges of conformity.
speaking of formidable challenge, are you going to post a picture of your build? Inquiring minds want to know. Especially me.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: GPdemayo on July 19, 2015, 09:18:42 AM
Glad to see you back at it Frank.....really neat structure & backstory. 8)
Thanks Greg,
I really owe a lot to Raymo for posting the original pictures and helping with all the details. Kudo's to him. I agree, the history is quite interesting. Stay tuned, the building is close to assembly, like sometime this upcoming week.
Frank / Erieman.
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Good Morning everyone,
Just an update on the build of East End Market. As you can see, progress is moving along. The front and left walls are glued, the rear wall has not yet been glued to the assembly. Lots of windows and doors. I am currently working on the middle and right exterior walls and hope to have then done in a day or two. The right end wall is quite complex and has a lot of shingles on it. Once the four walls are glued, then I will proceed with the rear additions and the front porches. Progress comes slowly, but it is starting to take shape. Lots of details to be concerned with and do not want to hurry. enjoy the pic. I'll attach a photo of the back view momentarily.
Frank / Erieman
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Here is the rear view. there are three pumpouts that will be added to the back of the structure. Soon, very soon. I still need to and some some more details to the siding to give it the old appearance.
Frank / Erieman
Looking fantastic, Frank!
A really interesting looking structure. Enjoying watching it come together.
Cheers, Mark.
This build is looking good - you have been very busy!
Quote from: mark dalrymple on July 21, 2015, 01:25:16 AM
Looking fantastic, Frank!
A really interesting looking structure. Enjoying watching it come together.
Cheers, Mark.
Thank Mark,
Glad you are enjoying the structure build. Still a long way to go. as the old saying goes, " The devil is in the details" and this structure has a lot of them. I hope to be able to post all four walls and the middle wall assembled later today. It's too damn hot to be outside, so I am in the train room for the day, less any interruptions from the wife or her sister ( she is here visiting). thanks again for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: S&S RR on July 21, 2015, 08:00:26 AM
This build is looking good - you have been very busy!
Good Day John,
Thanks for stopping by. Looks like you have been busy also, just the scale is different. As I mentioned to Mark, it is too hot to be outside for too long, so I am spending my time productively working on the structure as much as possible. Phyllis and here sister have been pretty good to leave me alone. Well, almost. Anyway, progress is being made. Making the detail drawings while on the cruise really has helped to speed up the build. What you see is two weeks of build. that being said, I have 7 weeks to finish. And that does not count making and adding some more trees to the layout, etc....
Frank / Erieman
Wonderful thread Frank and the structure is looking very good.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 21, 2015, 02:48:27 PM
Wonderful thread Frank and the structure is looking very good.
Tom ;D
Good Morning Tom,
Thanks for stopping by. Progress has been slow, but It is starting to look like the building that Raymo took several pictures of. Lots of details to worry about and " "fit", that is always of concern. I hope to have the main structure assembled by the end of the day. Continuous checking for squareness is slowing me down a bit. I have been dry fitting as I go along and no major "Oh Shits"
yet.
I have been working in the yard this morning and have a bit to do, and then the rest of the day I'll be in here. Later
Frank / Erieman
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Closing the Structure. The only wall remaining is the East End and lots of shingles and add the windows. The real fun will be gluing the outer panels to the inner box frame. close to making the decision on how to do that. Next picture momentarily.
Frank / Erieman
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Second picture for the day, The partially completed East End is show in front. Just more shingles and then add the windows. The shingle have the laser burn on them and really emphasis the worn, weathered look. More later, maybe.
Frank / Erieman
Beautiful building this promisses to become , thanks Frank
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Quote from: Janbouli on July 22, 2015, 03:28:15 PM
Beautiful building this promisses to become , thanks Frank
Jan,
Thanks for stopping by and glad you like toe build. Here picture one of two showing the building now totally assembled. Whew!!! go to next pic.
Frank / Erieman
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Jan,
Here is the rear view of the building. There are several pieces that will be added to this side. Stay tuned. Again, thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
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Good Morning Everyone,
Yesterday was a milestone. All the main walls were assembled. WHEW. I made good progress yesterday. the wife and here sister were over at the grandkids and I was left home. Darn. As you can see from the pic, major progress was made. In addition, the front porch floors are cut, not glued, and there are two fascia boards that run the length of the building that are cut, but need painting and final installation.
I have to meet the realtor at my mom's house this morning, so that is going to slow progress a bit, but I'll be back later today. Enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
Looking great Frank! That is a big project - how big is that (approximate foot print)?
Quote from: S&S RR on July 23, 2015, 09:32:52 PM
Looking great Frank! That is a big project - how big is that (approximate foot print)?
John,
Spent the morning and part of the afternoon with the realtor taking pictures of my Mom's house. Got home about three and went immediately to the train room and back to East End Market.
The main building as you see it currently is 26 feet wide x 119' 3/4" long x 46 feet high at the mid point in HO Scale. That's 3 5/8" x 16 5/8" x 6 3/8."The building will get wider in the coming weeks as I add the front entry, front porch, the side garage and other bump outs. I also have to add the brick walls for the basement. Not all the wall, just the main building. The complex parts are still to come. They include the front porch's, the front entry, the side entry which is on the right side of the front of the building. That area has railing and steps to build. I need to draw the corbels and get them laser cut. now that the building is in three dimensions, I can determine what the size of the corbels really should be. All of this plus some trees for the layout needs to be done in the next 6 weeks.
We are now having two meetings on the convention per month and soon it will be one meeting every week. We now have 216 people signed up for the convention. Looks like this is going to be a winner.
Stay tuned, more pictures will be posted real soon.
Frank / Erieman
Looks great Frank. Ambitious project and you're moving quickly!
John
That's very impressive Frank! That's quite a project. Wow! :o
Quote from: Erieman on July 23, 2015, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 23, 2015, 09:32:52 PM
Looking great Frank! That is a big project - how big is that (approximate foot print)?
John,
Spent the morning and part of the afternoon with the realtor taking pictures of my Mom's house. Got home about three and went immediately to the train room and back to East End Market.
The main building as you see it currently is 26 feet wide x 119' 3/4" long x 46 feet high at the mid point in HO Scale. That's 3 5/8" x 16 5/8" x 6 3/8."The building will get wider in the coming weeks as I add the front entry, front porch, the side garage and other bump outs. I also have to add the brick walls for the basement. Not all the wall, just the main building. The complex parts are still to come. They include the front porch's, the front entry, the side entry which is on the right side of the front of the building. That area has railing and steps to build. I need to draw the corbels and get them laser cut. now that the building is in three dimensions, I can determine what the size of the corbels really should be. All of this plus some trees for the layout needs to be done in the next 6 weeks.
We are now having two meetings on the convention per month and soon it will be one meeting every week. We now have 216 people signed up for the convention. Looks like this is going to be a winner.
Stay tuned, more pictures will be posted real soon.
Frank / Erieman
Wow - we know where you will be for the next 6 weeks. I wish Wayne and I could give you a hand with all those trees.
Quote from: Cuse on July 24, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
Looks great Frank. Ambitious project and you're moving quickly!
John
Good Morning John,
I'm glad you think that this build is moving quickly. it probably is, but it is the old forest from the trees scenario. I'm too close to know, but I'm having fun. Chester Station took me 4 1/2 months to build and this structure will be done in half that. I'm sweating already just thinking about that fact. I guess I'm working under the deadline. What's a little pressure!!! Thanks for stopping by. I will have some more to post early in the week.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ReadingBob on July 24, 2015, 08:36:32 AM
That's very impressive Frank! That's quite a project. Wow! :o
Good morning Bob,
Yup, this is the biggest scratch built project I have taken on to date, especially with the time constrain. What you don't see is the OH Shits along the way. I have had to rebuild the front wall over, and several smaller walls just because a window or some other factor was not in the right place. It's moving in the right direction and it has been fun. Thanks for stopping by. glad you are enjoying the project.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: S&S RR on July 24, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
Quote from: Erieman on July 23, 2015, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 23, 2015, 09:32:52 PM
Looking great Frank! That is a big project - how big is that (approximate foot print)?
John,
Spent the morning and part of the afternoon with the realtor taking pictures of my Mom's house. Got home about three and went immediately to the train room and back to East End Market.
The main building as you see it currently is 26 feet wide x 119' 3/4" long x 46 feet high at the mid point in HO Scale. That's 3 5/8" x 16 5/8" x 6 3/8."The building will get wider in the coming weeks as I add the front entry, front porch, the side garage and other bump outs. I also have to add the brick walls for the basement. Not all the wall, just the main building. The complex parts are still to come. They include the front porch's, the front entry, the side entry which is on the right side of the front of the building. That area has railing and steps to build. I need to draw the corbels and get them laser cut. now that the building is in three dimensions, I can determine what the size of the corbels really should be. All of this plus some trees for the layout needs to be done in the next 6 weeks.
We are now having two meetings on the convention per month and soon it will be one meeting every week. We now have 216 people signed up for the convention. Looks like this is going to be a winner.
Stay tuned, more pictures will be posted real soon.
Frank / Erieman
Wow - we know where you will be for the next 6 weeks. I wish Wayne and I could give you a hand with all those trees.
So what is stopping you from coming out? What is a little heat? Only kidding John. You have enough 1:1 projects to contend with. You and Wayne have been very helpful. Everyone that has been in the train room really has been impressed with the trees. I just want the structure to be completed and if I have some time, I'll plant some trees.
Frank / Erieman
Have done lots of scratch building over the years Frank but nothing like your market. It's a real
spectacular show stopper. Your research is really paying off big time.
John
Quote from: jbelwood on July 24, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
Have done lots of scratch building over the years Frank but nothing like your market. It's a real
spectacular show stopper. Your research is really paying off big time.
John
John,
Thank you very much for your kind words for this project. Ive had a lot of help from Raymo with the research, afterall, he was the one that postd the picture of this building that got me started. I find the time spent on the recent cruise allowed me time to do design work on how I was going to build the structure was of great help. I guess I should post a couple of pictures on my sketches of a couple of details to show what I was doing ( besides eating a lot of desserts).
I was at your house a couple of years ago with John Grosner and a friend of mine from Arizona prior to the Amherst Show. I really appreciate your comments after seeing the great work that you have done on your layout. I have really gotten into scratchbuilding over the past 3 or 4 years and this is a real challenge. I enjoy the challenge on this project. More pics soon.
Frank / Erieman
Now I feel like I'm at work, "I get blamed for everything!" ;D ::) ;)
Quote from: Raymo on July 24, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
Now I feel like I'm at work, "I get blamed for everything!" ;D ::) ;)
Whine, whine. whine. It could be worse. I could send you all the parts without the instructions and see how you do! I really do appreciate all your help. Look at it this way, I trying to help you sell vehicles. If anyone blames you, send them to me. I've got a nice piece of hot pavement that I could strap them to. You do know that eggs really do cook on the pavement. So do feet, hands and other body extremities. Just saying.
I'm having fun with the build and hope you are enjoying knowing that you got me going on it. Thanks. ;D ;D ;D
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: bparrish on January 08, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
Randy..
I think you are on to something here...
I've heard of rivet counters but never clapboard counters.
see ya
Bob
I think Frank is on to something
or on something.
Frank- I read this thread tonight and it is a great job from beginning to where you are today. Very much in the image of a Bob Van Gelder masterpiece. Enjoying the heck out of it.
Quote from: Mike Engler on July 25, 2015, 01:46:05 AM
Quote from: bparrish on January 08, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
Randy..
I think you are on to something here...
I've heard of rivet counters but never clapboard counters.
see ya
Bob
I think Frank is on to something or on something.
Guys,
Yes, I counted clapboard to determine the height of the building components. It has worked out pretty well. Raymo has been to the building several times and we decided to use the clapboard measuring system. clapboard comes in 4.5, 5.5 and 6.5 inches. After layout out the building, I used some selective compression to bring it into a better scale. As far a clapboard counting, sometimes you have to do what you have you have to do.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Mike Engler on July 25, 2015, 01:50:04 AM
Frank- I read this thread tonight and it is a great job from beginning to where you are today. Very much in the image of a Bob Van Gelder masterpiece. Enjoying the heck out of it.
Mike,
Thank you for your kind words. Glad you are enjoying the story and build. FYI, Bob Van Gelder is my hero. I have many of his buildings on my layout. The first kit of his, I built as is. All the rest have been modified one way or the other, mostly somewhat larger. Bob does a beautiful job of designing a product from New England. While Arizona is a long way from New England, I grew up back East. After building many of Bob's kits, I decided to do some scratch building. If you go to my thread - Morristown & Erie - Western Division, you will see several of my scratch built structures including Ironia Station, Chester Station, Yakima Apples I & II, several towers and Duffy's tire garage. I really enjoy scratchbuilding as you can tell. Having recently completed O.V. Hooker from SRMW, I decided to build East End Market after Raymo posted pictures of the building. Co-incidentally, These two structures reside in St. Johnsbury, Vt. and are very close to each other. Talk about a small world. Thanks again for your kind words, Stop back in again as the building continues toward completion. I need to have it done by September 16. We are having a regional convention in Scottsdale in mid- September.
Frank / Erieman
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Mike,
Here is another picture taken a few minutes ago that I thought you might enjoy. Today was a busy day, but not in the model railroading sense. As many of you know. we are going to sell my mom's house. She is 99 and no longer can live there. today, we had a garage sale starting at 6:30 and going to noon. That was a long, hot slog in a non air conditioned garage. It sort of took the energy out of me, so what little I did on East End Market was slow going and somewhat ridden with a couple of mistakes. Back on the correct path, I have been able to inch along on the front of the building as you can see. I have installed the right wing of the front bumpout. The left wing is done but not yet mounted to the building. The right second floor porch has been constructed, but not glued. That's for tomorrow, I hope. After seeing the porch in situ, i have come up with another way of installing the front and side walls of the porch. Visually it will look the same, but simpler and just as strong. Well, more about that tomorrow. Enjoy the pic and have a great evening.
Frank / Erieman
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Have not had a lot of time to work on the building today. I did however build one porch for the main building. Lots of tickling to get everything just right, but behold. Most of the the left side porch are done and ready for assembly and painting. spent most of the day at our convention meeting. Time is running short. Anyway, thought everyone would like to see the progress.
Frank / Erieman
As always fantastic work Frank. It's really taking shape.
Quote from: coors2u on July 27, 2015, 08:09:54 AM
As always fantastic work Frank. It's really taking shape.
Dustin,
Thank you for your kind words. Progress is being made, slowly but surely. This project is fun and a bit of a challenge. as I mentioned to Mike Engler, I have to thank Bob Van Gelder for all his wonderful kits and his design characteristics. You can learn a lot for one of his kits and then branch out to scratchbuilding. While it is not that simple, it is a good approach. I now have 7 1/2 weeks to complete this model. PHEW. I'm sweating already and its not from the heat outside. Stay tuned, more pictures later.
Frank / Erieman
I've been casually following along this build. I didn't have much to say until I saw the last pictures. The structure looks really good. The details of the overhangs (s) and siding start to make this model look quite pleasing. I can hardly wait until the rest of the embellishments are added.
Good workmanship.
Quote from: martin.ojaste on July 27, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
I've been casually following along this build. I didn't have much to say until I saw the last pictures. The structure looks really good. The details of the overhangs (s) and siding start to make this model look quite pleasing. I can hardly wait until the rest of the embellishments are added.
Good workmanship.
Martin,
Welcome to my build. Glad you are enjoying this project. no that I am in the meat of the project, it really is starting to look like something. There are a lot detail parts to build. The front porch about 16 pieces in what you see. Lots and lots of little pieces to go. Stay tuned for more photos in the next day or so. I want to do some of the rear building components soon as well. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
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Today was quite productive. The main door for the building was installed along with the left side porch. I have also installed the fascia around the roof line. Additionally, the brick foundation on the left side of the structure was added. Tomorrow I plan on starting on the garage elements on the rear of the building. There actually are several bump outs on the back. Progress is being made each day, no matter how little. more tomorrow. Hope to see you then.
Frank / Erieman
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We all like pictures, especially of a structure in its environment. Well, While not finished, I have placed the East end Market into the final scene location. I have started working on the back of the structure, but not at light speed. Lots of little details are taking their time. I called the LHS to see if they has some scribe lumber. While talking to them, I looked down on the floor ( everything seems to wind upon the floor) and there is what I am looking for. whoops. The good thing is that I don't have to drive down there today. speaking of the floor, the wife came in earlier and made a comment about my housekeeping. I will admit that the floor and my work surface for that matter, is quite a dump. Anybody else suffer from this? Anyway, enjoy the pic. More tomorrow on the rear of the building.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on July 29, 2015, 10:24:45 PM
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We all like pictures, especially of a structure in its environment. Well, While not finished, I have placed the East end Market into the final scene location. I have started working on the back of the structure, but not at light speed. Lots of little details are taking their time. I called the LHS to see if they has some scribe lumber. While talking to them, I looked down on the floor ( everything seems to wind upon the floor) and there is what I am looking for. whoops. The good thing is that I don't have to drive down there today. speaking of the floor, the wife came in earlier and made a comment about my housekeeping. I will admit that the floor and my work surface for that matter, is quite a dump. Anybody else suffer from this? Anyway, enjoy the pic. More tomorrow on the rear of the building.
Frank / Erieman
Frank it looks great! Tell Phyllis that if you had a bigger layout room you wouldn't have to store so much stuff on the floor. I'm just trying to help! ;D On second thought - better not talk to Phyllis about expansion plans - she will talk to Amy and this will go very bad.
Speaking of expansion - when you add trees on the hill in the background it will make that wall look like it is moving out. Great place for the smaller trees. I really like this picture!
Good Morning John,
Mums the word on any expansion. I know who the boss is!!! TREES, ah yes, Well they are on the list for the next 7 weeks. I will do what I can. I agree, the trees add a wonderful dimension to the layout. Thank you for your kind words. I'll be posting some more pics on East End Market later today. Progress is slow but constant.
Frank / Erieman
Frank...
What a great location.
thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on July 30, 2015, 03:07:29 PM
Frank...
What a great location.
thanx
Bob
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Thanks Bob. Here is another pic showing more of the immediate and surrounding are where the building will be situated. Glad you like it.
Frank / Erieman
Good Afternoon everyone.
As usual, it's too damn hot to be outside, so I am in the train room working on East End Market. As you will see from the photo, I have been making, cutting and all the components for the attached garage and enclosed back stairs. Lots of fitting on these components to get it right, Now that the walls are done, I can reinforce the roof sections and install tar paper roofs. I need to find some concrete walls. I have started the small attached storage shed and will be installing that component after painting and weathering.
Frank / Erieman
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Good Afternoon or good evening, depending on your time zone. Well the morning was spent at my mom's house cleaning out the garage. Could not quite get everything, so it looks like another trip during the week. And boy was it hot in the garage!!!
Progress continues on East End Market. Almost done with the roofing on the three roofs on the back of the building. Also installed the lower porch components on the front of the building. The eft side is still under construction. In addition, I was looking thru my scrap box and ran across a part from SRMW kit. It apparently comes from a SRMW kit and would have been used for water damning. I minor adjust to height of the cast resin part and it fits. Prime and paint, a little glue and its ready to install after I install the jambs. I took took a front view and rear view of the building. Hope to have the from porch complicated later.
Another pic momentarily
Frank / Erieman
The structure keeps on looking better everyday.
Quote from: martin.ojaste on August 02, 2015, 08:54:15 AM
The structure keeps on looking better everyday.
Martin,
Thank you for stopping by. I'll be posting some more pics of my progress later today. Slowly everything is taking shape. Thank you for your kind words. Later.
Frank / Erieman
Martin,
Here is another pic. Lots of interruptions today so I only was able to build the columns that support the shed roof of the balcony. Yes, there is one missing. After the glued dried, I found the the placement of the middle column on the left balcony was really not centered, so it is temporarily removed and will be re-glued momentarily. The column consists of a vertical column and a top and bottom plate. Itsy- bitsy details, but the devil is in the details. The front porch on the ground level is almost done. It too comprises of lots of parts. The back has all the shed roofs completed with rolled roofing and looks great.
Enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
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Looking good Frank! 8)
Frank, left balcony supports seem to unbalanced. I understand why there are only two supports, but a third one near the wall "might" give it back.
Quote from: GPdemayo on August 03, 2015, 08:43:14 AM
Looking good Frank! 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Thank you. East End market is progressing. Still a long way to go. Actually a little over 6 weeks to be more precise. I think I'll make it! On another matter, I talked to Tom yesterday. It sounds like he enjoyed the visit to John's layout, but tired out quickly. Plus he has had enough bed time and wants to get back to the railroad. He needs to chill for a while and regain his strength. Our bodies don't like surgery. Have a great week.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: martin.ojaste on August 03, 2015, 08:51:31 AM
Frank, left balcony supports seem to unbalanced. I understand why there are only two supports, but a third one near the wall "might" give it back.
Good Morning Martin,
Thanks for keeping an eye on the building. I think the unbalance that you speak of is because of the different lengths of the porches. If you go back to page one and look at the last photo in the second series you will see what the building really looks like. If I were to change it, the judges would be all over me. The supports have been placed in the correct location for the load they are carrying. Just saying. Thanks for keeping an eye out for the build. sometimes I thing its the forest and the trees analogy and its good to have someone else to keep an eys on the build. thanks again for stopping by. Another progress pic or two later in the day. Have a great one.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
Great speaking with you yesterday. The market structure is looking fantastic.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 03, 2015, 10:33:27 AM
Frank,
Great speaking with you yesterday. The market structure is looking fantastic.
Tom ;D
Good Afternoon Tom.\
Great speaking with you yesterday as well. Had to check up on you and see how your hand was doing. The longer you can rest, the faster the healing and the faster you'll be back working "on the railroad". Thanks for your comments on the building. Too many interruptions so far today. Not a lot of progress so it looks like there will be a photo tomorrow versus today. you are feeling sleepy!!!
:o ??? ::) Frank / Erieman
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Good Evening All,
It's been a hot day here in Arizona. About 113 f. While that meant a lot of time in the train room, or so I thought, there were several other items on the wife's agenda. With most of those complete, I did get some time in the train room to work on East End Market. I have been working on the right porch support columns and the associated roof. As you can see in the pic, the porch roof has a little bird's mouth peak in the center of the porch. Well, that was fun!!! tomorrow, I hope to complete the left side porch rood and its bird mouth peak along with the lower porch corner. I was down to the LHS picking up stair treads. There are two stairs, one in the front and one in the rear.
Over the years I have learned to work from bottom to top and then left to right or the reverse. This way of working prevent a lot of profanity should you break, dislocate or mutilate something that you recently completed above or below your most recent assembly. Just saying. and oh yes, I have made a major error in what I just said. Can you see it?
Anyway, there are still many, many items to cover on this build. I hope that you are enjoying the project. Enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
Wow! The closer you look, the better it is...and it looks pretty great from across the room!
John
Quote from: Cuse on August 04, 2015, 08:37:26 AM
Wow! The closer you look, the better it is...and it looks pretty great from across the room!
John
Thanks John,
When I was taking pictures last night, i was sort of blown away with the up close pic so I thought I would share it. It's sort of like the forest and the the trees, you really don't see it because you see the model all the time and don't typically take the time to look closely. Now that I have done this, there are are a couple of other areas ( no quite done yet ) that I will remember to photograph. Thank you for your kind words and I am glad you enjoyed the close up.
Frank / Erieman
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Another day's progress - The second floor was added on the structure. When I went to add the floor, I found the the doors were too low. OOPS. That meant cutting the doors higher in their opening and hoping that the floor boards would cover the bottom of the door opening. As luck would have it, that worked. The stairs were cut, painted and added along with the solid wall along the stair well. Next will be the second floor front and side walls, then the small roof on the main building. Some of the parts are cut, so much of it will be assembly.
Enjoy the update and more pics tomorrow.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, I been following along on your build, and it's way to good to put into words. can't wait to see it finished.
Sam
Frank
Yet another awesome build
Will differently due well in contest room
Good luck
Quote from: ollevon on August 04, 2015, 08:01:26 PM
Frank, I been following along on your build, and it's way to good to put into words. can't wait to see it finished.
Sam
Sam,
Welcome and thank you for viewing my build. Progress is being made daily, so keep watching. Here is another view of the building since earlier today. I added the left porch face. Tomorrow, it will be columns and the roof, or I hope so.
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Frank / Erieman
Quote from: robertseckler on August 04, 2015, 08:08:33 PM
Frank
Yet another awesome build
Will differently due well in contest room
Good luck
Good Evening Robert,
It was great talking to you the other day. Sounds like Lou was doing a wonderful job photographing your layout. Look forward to see your progress. Thank you for the kind words on the Station. Tell Lou that I would be glad to send him the drawings of the Ft. Edwards station. While it would be a challenge to build it on On30, I have so-o-o much to do on my layout.
I'll let you know how East End Market fairs in the contest room. Six weeks to go and there is so much to do. More pictures tomorrow. Keep in touch.
Frank / Erieman
Hi Frank.....always remember - measure twice, cut once! ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on August 05, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
Hi Frank.....always remember - measure twice, cut once! ;D
On the other hand, studies have shown people tend to make the same mistake*. So I've been known to 'mismeasure twice, cut three times' :-)
dave
* This is true, see http://sunnyday.mit.edu/papers/nver-tse.pdf
Quote from: GPdemayo on August 05, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
Hi Frank.....always remember - measure twice, cut once! ;D
Greg,
I know the saying, i even have the "T" shirt ( really). that does not mean that we occasionally make a boo boo. Fortunately, most have been small and easy to correct.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: deemery on August 05, 2015, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on August 05, 2015, 08:45:38 AM
Hi Frank.....always remember - measure twice, cut once! ;D
On the other hand, studies have shown people tend to make the same mistake*. So I've been known to 'mismeasure twice, cut three times' :-)
dave
good morning Dave,
I'm not one for studies because the typical selection group is so small. Me, I just muddle along working with the end in mind. Yes, i have made a couple, but sometimes there are other issues to contend with like warping wood, the wrong color, etc.. You get the idea. Progress on East end Market is driven by my inner self to get it right and on time. Just like the railroads used to do. Thanks for stopping by. Need to get back to the model.
Frank / Erieman
* This is true, see http://sunnyday.mit.edu/papers/nver-tse.pdf (http://sunnyday.mit.edu/papers/nver-tse.pdf)
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Good Evening All,
Closing in on finishing all the porches on the front side of the structure. Whew, Its 8:45 pm and its 107 outside. Welcome to my summer. that's why I'm in the train room or at least one of the reasons! Then there is the two windows / doors etc... The non to the back and then the roof and then DONE!!! Oh yes then there is some weathering. Anyway, enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
It's looking great Frank. As to your weather - I think you have summer in Febrary - I don't know what to call 100 plus degrees.
On second thought it's modeling season - just like February in Michigan.
Frank,
Fantastic modeling! Second to none.
Tom ;D
Quote from: S&S RR on August 06, 2015, 12:13:00 PM
It's looking great Frank. As to your weather - I think you have summer in Febrary - I don't know what to call 100 plus degrees.
Good afternoon john,
Yes, Parts of our summer could be compared toy your winter. These are times when you need to be inside. Inside and working on your railroad is all the better. to answer your question regarding 100 plus degrees, i call it UGLY, especially when the humidity is up. 100 degrees with 2 5 humidity is a piece of cake. 60% not so good.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: S&S RR on August 06, 2015, 12:14:31 PM
On second thought it's modeling season - just like February in Michigan.
And I'm in the train room!!!
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 06, 2015, 02:54:26 PM
Frank,
Fantastic modeling! Second to none.
Tom ;D
Tom,
Thank you for your kind words. Progress is being made, slowly but surely. Lots of little details that really take an inordinate amount of time to complete. Taking a brief break from the structure and doing some work on the layout. I'll be back on the building tomorrow. Stay tuned. Thanks buddy.
Frank / Erieman
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Tom and others,
Here is my daily update of East End Market. All the brick foundation is installed. The garage door is being laser cut. The door functioned as a big door for supplies. No vehicle could drive into the opening. It probably served as a door for the meat market business. A loading dock will be constructed in front of the door and will continue around to the side door. Windows were added to the garage end of the structure. The upper porch roof was added and a roof for the center structure was cut, installed and ready for rolled roofing. I also painted the base. Next will be the roof over the building on the left.
Tomorrow will be a NMRA PSR convention meeting and my work on this structure will be a lot less. Enjoy the pic. more later.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
Been following along .....what a great looking structure ...It is A++
Frank, its really looking great. It is definitely a building with lots of character. You are doing an excellent job.
Frank, the foundation looks great. Have you figured how you'll do the concrete part?
Quote from: Amagic41 on August 07, 2015, 10:17:55 PM
Frank
Been following along .....what a great looking structure ...It is A++
Ken,
Thanks for following along. Glad you are enjoying the build. Pretty intense. Lots of little details which is fun to figure out how to build. The front porch and front entry are going to be a real challenge because of all the small detail. that will probably one of the last things I do. don't want to break anything. more pics to follow. thanks again for your kind words.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: coors2u on August 08, 2015, 07:42:07 AM
Frank, its really looking great. It is definitely a building with lots of character. You are doing an excellent job.
Good Morning Dustin,
thank for stopping by and glad you are enjoying the build. Yes, the building has a lot of character and there is so much more to add.Once you see the front porches, you will see what I mean. Lots of lacy detail. I'm a little nervous about this area. Stay tuned, more pics later.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Raymo on August 08, 2015, 08:29:36 AM
Frank, the foundation looks great. Have you figured how you'll do the concrete part?
Good Morning Raymo,
I hope you mean the small concrete basement ? on the back of the building. I found this part in my parts box. It appears that it came from a SRMW kit and I did not use it. I think that there is also a concrete area around the garage door? I put a brick foundation under most of the garage. Is that correct? Let me know. That would be easy to change. Really appreciate all your help.
Frank / Erieman
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Pretty, oh so pretty.
Quote from: martin.ojaste on August 08, 2015, 11:56:14 AM
Pretty, oh so pretty.
Martin,
Thank you for your kind words. It is looking better. Even I can't wait until its finished!!!
Frank / Erieman
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Good Evening All,
Progress today included the front roof and the roof peak over the main front entry. While that may seem rather simple, the underside of the roof has scribed lumber and corner edges on all the ends. Getting the main front entry peak is always a challenge. I have experimented with the aluminum material taht will be the top roofing material. northeastern makes a very nice heavy duty raised seam material.
The roof over the center section was cut and will be installed I finish the upper end of the left side structure. All the balconies have been installed. The footing on the garage initially was made of brick, but Raymo let me know that it is really concrete. So-o-o, that was changed. There is also a little funny step on the outside of the first side door. that was added and will be finished upon installation of the garage door.
I have decided to use Monster Modelworks lasercut brick for the chimneys. I've had to order additional material because I thought I had enough, but no such luck.
Progress is continually being made, maybe as fast as I would like. Enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
Frank's gonna send me his drawings of this building, and I will put together a bit of a simpler version kit of it.....if anyone is interested, please PM me and let me know.....it will include everything to get the build complete, but NO instructions, bracing templates, signage....cost for this version will be about $150. If there is enough interest, I'll put them into production....
Quote from: jlgrove on August 10, 2015, 11:49:28 AM
Frank's gonna send me his drawings of this building, and I will put together a bit of a simpler version kit of it.....if anyone is interested, please PM me and let me know.....it will include everything to get the build complete, but NO instructions, bracing templates, signage....cost for this version will be about $150. If there is enough interest, I'll put them into production....
If you do this, think about making sure that someone could build just the main portion, deleting one or both (left side) additions. That would make for a building that would fit much more easily into a smaller space.
dave
Quote from: jlgrove on August 10, 2015, 11:49:28 AM
Frank's gonna send me his drawings of this building, and I will put together a bit of a simpler version kit of it.....if anyone is interested, please PM me and let me know.....it will include everything to get the build complete, but NO instructions, bracing templates, signage....cost for this version will be about $150. If there is enough interest, I'll put them into production....
But will it have corbels? :D
.....corbel issue resolved....
Wow Frank! How did I miss this build? It's really fantastic. You really dig into the history/background of what you build, which must make the build even more satisfying. Build on! I'll be watching for sure.
Quote from: jlgrove on August 10, 2015, 06:02:11 PM
.....corbel issue resolved....
Jeff I was gonna ask if you want me to help with the corbel issue
Quote from: MAP on August 10, 2015, 07:10:11 PM
Wow Frank! How did I miss this build? It's really fantastic. You really dig into the history/background of what you build, which must make the build even more satisfying. Build on! I'll be watching for sure.
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Mark,
Welcome to my build thread. Glad to see you have found it. I had to tell Robert about it. I guess his new job really keeps him busy. I fell in love with this building when Raymo posted it last year. He has been a real friend finding out lots of details. I have done the historic research because it really helps in the build. I have several pages of historical data. Raymo recently sent me photos of other buildings that were built by the same person that designed and built this structure. ( that is another story later)
Lots of details on this structure that keep me on my toes. Yesterday I mentioned that the left and right walls of the lower porch were not perfectly horizontal. That really bugged me. So-o-o, today I fixed that problem as you can see from the attached photo. I also put in one of the chimney's. The other four are on the rear roof. I have ordered components from Jimmy Simmons of Monster Modelworks. A little modification on one of the chimney's for the exterior chimney and viola. The other internal chimneys are the same as the one in the pic. I have 5 weeks to fully complete the build. Sounds really close to me knowing all the finish details that need to be built and weathered.
You'll just have to stay tuned to see how this all works out. thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
This build looks great! You sure know how to take on big projects - and with a deadline? Stay cool!
Quote from: S&S RR on August 11, 2015, 08:37:54 AM
Frank
This build looks great! You sure know how to take on big projects - and with a deadline? Stay cool!
Good Evening John,
Working on East end Market was at a minimum today. Worked at my mom's house. cleaning out the rest of the house.. As we were finishing, a dust storm came in and blew a lot of leaves and stuff into the garage that I was cleaning. Then it rained. It really rained hard. By the time we got home, the rain near our house was non existent. The wind on the other hand was quite high. I worked in the yard from about noon to almost four. It wasn't real hot, just humid. Had to clean up the yard from my neighbor's eucalyptus tree. It was all over my yard. I also had a couple of my new trees lean over. the yard is clean now and all the trees are properly staked up.
I am in the train room working on some scenery and East End Market. I think the ht got to me and I am not up to full speed. I'm just cruising. no worries, I'll make the due date on the build. enjoy your week.
Frank / Erieman
Hey Frank,
I can see why you love this building. So many nooks & crannies, elevation changes, assorted materials, etc. Looking good. Yep, Robert has been buried with work, although he does squeeze out some time on Friday's when his turn on the round robin circuit comes up. We've been working in the area where he planted your station, doing scenic materials and such. I'm always amazed how great of a job you did on it. Carry on!
Quote from: MAP on August 12, 2015, 07:39:09 AM
Hey Frank,
I can see why you love this building. So many nooks & crannies, elevation changes, assorted materials, etc. Looking good. Yep, Robert has been buried with work, although he does squeeze out some time on Friday's when his turn on the round robin circuit comes up. We've been working in the area where he planted your station, doing scenic materials and such. I'm always amazed how great of a job you did on it. Carry on!
Good Morning Mark,
Thank you for your kind words. What you don't see from the photos is the details on the porches. As you can see they have clapbooard siding on the outside. What you don't see ( unless you get really close) is the scribed walls on the back of the porch, a toe board at the base of the scribed walls, and the ceiling of all the porches is scribed lumber. Details, Details. i really liked the building back when Raymo posted it. He has subsequently sent me photos of several other buildings in the same area, presumably built by the same person back in the early 1900's. I am seriously thinking of building those and others that Dan can find and using them on the layout where I currently have tall city structures. This would complete the New England image that I currently have going. When Dan reads this he is going to groan.
As you know, I buils a second station for myself. Chester station took me longer to build that the one I built for Robert. Stations are another one of those types of buildings with lots of angles, nooks and crannies, etc.. My kind of building. Stay tuned, more in the next day or two.
Frank / Erieman
GROAN!!! :o :o
Quote from: Raymo on August 12, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
GROAN!!! :o :o
Dan,
Look on the brighter side. If you photograph them, I build them, Jeff builds kits of them, you get a free one from Groovy, what's the problem. Anyway, I'm just thinking about it. I'm thinking real hard about it. ;D ;D ;D
Frank,
You have done a great job on this large scratch building project ! Looking forward to the completion photos.
Tom
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on August 12, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Frank,
You have done a great job on this large scratch building project ! Looking forward to the completion photos.
Tom
Tom,
Good to hear from you. Glad you like the project and yes, I'm looking forward to the completion as well. My guess is probably a couple more weeks til completion. The devil is in the details as you know. The garage door is now installed. Additionally, the rear stairs, porch and lattice screen have been built and installed. I'm working on the rear porch cover currently and will probably have it done in the next couple of hours, or not! Enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
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Good Evening All,
Somehow all the heat outside did not mean that I was going to get the whole day in the train room. Nice try. Anyway, here is the progress for the day. The rear view shows the steps, lattice wall, the walkway roof, columns and handrails. I also worked on the garage door area. There is a concrete loading area by the door. Kind a unusual, but that's what there. I removed the concrete wall between the garage door loading block and the the basement door, replaced it and painted it.
More in a moment.
Frank / Erieman
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Back again,
Here is a pic of the garage door end. I had to add a piece of wood below the garage door. The concrete foundation was painted Heritage Brick red. I then noticed that there was a layer of shingles missing at the top of the wall, so-o-o, I spent quite a bit of time cutting individual shingles and adding them to the top course of shingles. This are is really taking shape.
I also had to fix another problem that I had corrected earlier. The lower front porch ends were still not square in both directions. So I had to remove the columns once again, then remove the end patio walls. After some more profanity, the walls are now finally correct and reinstalled. Whew, where has the day gone.
I also started adding rolled roofing on the flat roof on the center section of the building. The far left roof had details to be added. Check that box. They are done. Next up, more rolled roofing and some metal flashing. Flashing is going to be fun. I found a piece of thin aluminum that looks like it will work, but that's another day.
Have a great day and will post more soon.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, you picking speed and really filling in the details, well done.
Is there going to be a flashing along the top edge of the cedar shakes?
Quote from: martin.ojaste on August 14, 2015, 08:47:51 AM
Frank, you picking speed and really filling in the details, well done.
Is there going to be a flashing along the top edge of the cedar shakes?
Good Morning Martin,
The flashing I mentioned in my post last night will be on the rear of the two smaller buildings on the left on the photo shown here. You might look at the early pics of the building that I posted. There you will see the flashing the flashing on the flat roof. Kinda of gnarly looking actually. This building did not have a lot of maintenance on it , especially on the roof. The fun will depicting that lack of repair, but that will come near the end when I get to the weathering. Thanks for stopping by. more soon.
Frank / Erieman
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Groovy Jeff sent me corbels and they look great. I'll be painting and gluing them in today. Pics later. Need to get real busy with the model, Still a lot to do. Later.
Frank / Erieman
Good Afternoon Everyone,
A package from groovy Jeff arrived yesterday and I have been cutting and fitting the corbels to the building. I started at the right end and while fitting the roof, quickly realized that the corbels should be added AFTER the roof is installed. So, I quickly removed what I had done and glued the front roof down. Then I added the corbels in the front peak. Corbels were also added to the right side of the roof and I have started on the left side of the roof. I really like the addition of the corbels. I had to do some angular cutting and size reduction to achieve the correct fit. I will be adding the rear roof next along with fitting for the chimneys. Awaiting the chimney order from Monster Modelworks. I will also be cutting the raised rib roofing for the front of the building, but more about that later. Enjoy the pic and I hope to have another pic this evening.
Frank / Erieman
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Looking great Frank! It's really coming together nicely.
Quote from: MAP on August 18, 2015, 05:55:03 AM
Looking great Frank! It's really coming together nicely.
Good Morning Mark,
Just when you think you have done everything, you find a whoops! Over the garage door there
is a shed roof. I totally spaced while I was installing the shingles. While relaxing in flagstaff last weekend, I was writing up some build notes and then it hit me. I had forgotten the shed roof over the garage. BTW, there is another one of these over the left side of the building. More about that later. So-o-o, here I am digging out the shingles and getting ready to build the roof. Just another delay in the build.
Thank for stopping by and glad you are enjoying the build. I'll probably have this area completed this afternoon and post another picture.
Frank / Erieman
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Lots of progress today. on the back and side of the building, the shed roof was added over the door. the shed roof consisted of scribed lumber, cardstock and shingles. The shed roof over the rear door was also added. The rear panel of the roof was also was added, along with the chimney openings.One of the few remaining items on the rear of the building is the steps by the garage door. And now for the front view. NEXT.
Frank / Erieman
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Front view. The biggest change to the front view is the application of the standing rib roof panels. The first four panels have been glued in place. Possible the balance of the front panels will be completed this evening after dinner. I also started framing in the first opening on the left. a door and window will fill this area. The middle opening will be a window and is on the list for completion later this week. The real big effort will be the two porches, open lattice and steps. I hope that I can complete these later in the week. Chimneys have been shipped and my guess they will arrive tomorrow. that being said, I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Last item will be the weathering, probably next week. Enjoy the pics.
Frank / Erieman
And to think you were worried.... :D :D
Quote from: Raymo on August 19, 2015, 07:10:06 AM
And to think you were worried.... :D :D
Good Evening Dan,
I'm still worried. Not a lot of progress today. That's not good. Added a few more pieces of standing rib metal to the roof. Working on the rear steps and Landing.
Chimneys due tomorrow, I hope. That will go quickly.And then there is all the painting and weathering I'll try to post another pic tonight or tomorrow evening. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
It looks great and you are getting close. It's time for you to start thinking about your next project.
I was fishing and saw this hotel complex and for some reason it just looked like a structure that Frank should build. I posted these a few days ago in the baggage car but I wasn't sure if you saw them.
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Right side of the complex from the water.
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Left side from the water.
Good morning John,
Thanks for the pictures. Kind of an awesome project. This would mean I would need water on the layout and I have no more room. I could probably use the small building to the right ( probably the original structure), but you would have to go back there a lot more and take lots of photos and overall dimensions like Raymo did of East End Market. Sounds like a lot of work besides i probably have another years worth of buildings to build after Dan's last foray into the north Woods. Thanks for thinking of me.
The East end Market is coming closer to completion. My guess that it should be done by next week. Then I have to do all the paperwork. I have also been working on the layout scenery in Little Falls and will post some pictures soon. The convention starts four weeks from yesterday and there is a lot of anticipation. Back to the model, Have a great day.
Frank / Erieman
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Front picture, rear picture to follow. Chimney material arrived from Monster Modelworks. They have been cut to size and painted. The same on the back of the building. I have been playing around with the adhesive to hold down the standing rib roofing material. I finally decided to try Spray adhesive and have decided to continue with this material. Good but not great.
Rear pic to follow.
Frank / Erieman
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Rear View,
Chimney installation and one piece of standing rib roofing. more to follow over the weekend. The will be a gutter hanging off the right end of the building. I have found a clever way to build the gutter. Now to paint it and weather it prior to installation. More to follow, probably Sunday. Need to work in the yard tomorrow AM nd then we have a convention meeting tomorrow afternoon. No rest. Later.
Frank / Erieman
the problem with this build is finding space for it and, especially, finding space for the trophies and ribbons it will undoubtedly earn :)
Fantastic!
John
Quote from: Cuse on August 22, 2015, 09:52:54 AM
the problem with this build is finding space for it and, especially, finding space for the trophies and ribbons it will undoubtedly earn :)
Fantastic!
John
Good Afternoon John,
Space is not the issue. Since you have been here, I plan on changing the city / cities to the right of the entry. The tall city buildings will give way to smaller ( up to 5 stories) structures. If you go back a bit you can see where I have positioned this building. Raymo has sent me a couple of other buildings from the area and I am considering them as well in the same area/ So-o-o, you see, no problem there.
The wall of plaques is another story. I have a few, ( quite a few actually)mostly from the division meets. I also have two from the regional meets in San Diego and Ventura. So now the question is, can I make it a trifecta? I'll let you know in 4 weeks from today. I am up against some good friends / good modelers, so it is always a challenge. Thank you for your vote of confidence.
Frank / Erieman
Frank.....
I'll tell you again. Great building.
See ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on August 22, 2015, 09:56:55 PM
Frank.....
I'll tell you again. Great building.
See ya
Bob
bob,
Thank you for your kind words. glad you are enjoying the build. Should be done in a couple more weeks. WHEW.Then it will be ready for our regional convention. Speaking of conventions, all the best with your beautiful steam engine build. You put a lot of time, effort and love into that build and it shows. you have done a marvelous job. Structures are easy compared to the work it takes to build an engine like that. Keep us informed on the results. The Nationals are right around the corner. Best of luck.
Frank / Erieman
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Good Evening,
After a small hiatus from the structure, I am back at it. Today I added the East End Market sign. The first attempt, the lettering was too large, so after returning home a couple hours later ( working on convention issues) I pulled off the larger name plate with some issues. The sign is made from cardstock and the glue had dried real well. No major damage, just the time to remove the glue, cardstock, etc..New sign is in and looks like it belongs there. Next was the window in the lower portion of the middle area of the building. I also had to build an awning and bracket. Done. Finally on the left end off the building I added a window and door. I still have to build another small shed roof abutment, just like the one over the garage, over the door and window.
I do need some help and would like some ideas. The metal roof is sprayed with 3m mounting cement. The roof base is cardstock. For some reason, the metal roof is not sticking real well. Before my implementing my next idea, I thought I would ask everyone on the forum for suggestions. My next thought is to find a strong double sided tape. Suggestions welcome. I need something ASAP. Would want something that is available anywhere, an art store, Home Depot, etc... I am prepared to remove the existing metal roofing, discard them and start anew. I just don't want the metal buckling. Judges don't like that. Thank you in advance for any ideas.
Frank / Erieman
I would try double sided carpet tape, it has just a little thickness to it compared to transfer tape . And in stead of putting tape on the whole roof , overlap the tape like you do the roofing panels. Try out on a piece of cardstock , see if you like it.
Frank,
I'm surprised the 3M double sided tape doesn't work. I've used it on several roofs and none of them have ever lifted or come off. I'm concerned the double sided carpet tape may be a little to thick but then I've never used it so I'm only guessing.
The building looks wonderful.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 25, 2015, 09:02:06 AM
Frank,
I'm surprised the 3M double sided tape doesn't work. I've used it on several roofs and none of them have ever lifted or come off. I'm concerned the double sided carpet tape may be a little to thick but then I've never used it so I'm only guessing.
The building looks wonderful.
Tom ;D
Tom,
You are the man. Double sided tape is the answer. I made a small test fixture and it works great. Thanks the good news. the bad news is now I have to get the rubber cement off the cardstock. Another fun day in paradise ( in the train room that is). Have a great day. hope everything goes well with the doctor and the stitch removal. Just try to keep that hand in your pocket for the next couple of weeks and your recovery will be a lot smoother. Have a great day in the train room.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
This probably isn't the place for this repsonse but here goes. The second set of stitches came out this morning. The bad news is that the Dr. didn't like the look of the healing so I'm back in a cast for two more weeks. The Dr. orders are, "DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, MOVE THE WRIST TO STRETCH THE TOP OF YOUR RIGHT HAND. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE ARE YOU TO GET THE SITE WET".
I'm back on two different antibiotics. Now, I need a pill for being bumed out for two more weeks. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Cheers, I guess. I'm still breathing.
Tom :'(
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 25, 2015, 02:55:11 PM
Frank,
This probably isn't the place for this repsonse but here goes. The second set of stitches came out this morning. The bad news is that the Dr. didn't like the look of the healing so I'm back in a cast for two more weeks. The Dr. orders are, "DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, MOVE THE WRIST TO STRETCH THE TOP OF YOUR RIGHT HAND. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE ARE YOU TO GET THE SITE WET".
I'm back on two different antibiotics. Now, I need a pill for being bumed out for two more weeks. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Cheers, I guess. I'm still breathing.
Tom :'(
OUCH!!! That's enough to make you take up drinking. Instead of the cast, you should have asked him if you could just put your hand in your pocket to limit your movement. That way you could still play pool. oops... sorry to hear about the Dr. visit. Drugs and a cast. Bummer. Let's hope that the drugs kick in soon and last for the next two weeks.
On the bright side, I want to thank you and Raymo for some guidance on the metal roof. I took the old roof off because the rubber cement was just not working. I found some 1/2 double sided tape on my bench ( that is a real surprise because it took me a couple of hours cleaning to find it. My bench is a total mess.). After affirming that the test piece of double sided tape really worked to my satisfaction, I sent Raymo a text message re: the color of the roof. I found a light grey that goes very well with the building. I have started on the backside of the roof and like both the color and that fact that the roof is staying very flat. The judges will appreciate that. So-o-o, to Dan and Tom, thank you for your guidance.
Frank / Erieman
Hi Frank.....you know Tom, always the overachiever in everything he does! ;D
By the way, I noticed you installed the corrugated roof with the channels running vertically from eave to ridge. I thought they were supposed to be installed horizontally so that the channels slowed down the water so if someone were standing under it they wouldn't get hit so hard. Just a thought! ::)
The building is looking great. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on August 26, 2015, 08:43:55 AM
Hi Frank.....you know Tom, always the overachiever in everything he does! ;D
By the way, I noticed you installed the corrugated roof with the channels running vertically from eave to ridge. I thought they were supposed to be installed horizontally so that the channels slowed down the water so if someone were standing under it they wouldn't get hit so hard. Just a thought! ::)
The building is looking great. 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Sorry to hear Tom's doctor report. They might have put an anchor around his neck. I wonder if the new cast is going to slow him down. He probably wanted to hit the doctor after he applied the new cast. Isn't the plaster impregnated material we use the same as on his cast? HMMMM. Just saying.
Okay, now let's talk about standing rib seam corrugation roofing. Maybe they do things differently in Florida, but I have always seen it running vertically to shed the water, not retain it. In this buildings case, it is to shed the snow. Anyways, that is what the building looks like in person. Take a look at the photos at the beginning of the post. I solved the warping problem after talking to Tom. I removed the material, removed the rubber cement and then applied double sided tape and this works great. I just need to finish the ridge pieces and the roof will be done. Next up is the two front porches, groan...
Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
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I want one of these kits ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Janbouli on August 26, 2015, 03:30:13 PM
I want one of these kits ;) ;) ;)
Jan,
You will have to contact Groovy Jeff about this building. I sent him the plans and he is currently looking what and how he is going to design this building. I think Jeff is enjoying retirement, but will be working on plans for this structure in HO. Thank you for your kind words about the structure.
Frank / Erieman
"The devil is in the details" So-o-o, I have been working on the gutter and hangers at the back of one of the small buildings. The gutter was formed over a piece of solid rod using plain foil sheet from Builders in Scale. The brackets are made from Detail Associates flat bar.Now that the hanger brackets are installed, I can complete the rolled roofing on both roofs. In the background you see the main chimney. there are three other smaller chimneys on the roof. All are installed but need to be caulked around each chimney. I talked with ACL1504 yesterday and he gave me a couple of ideas on how to do this. I'll explain a with text and a photo later. I found some bird that i will be installing on the roof. I am know for my buildings with birds. I take a lot of kidding about what kind of birds they are - pigeons or seagulls. I just smile. :)
While looking at the picture, I realize that there should tarpaper UNDER the brackets as well, so excuse me while I remove the brackets, tarpaper the roof and reinstall the brackets later. My bad.
Frank / Erieman
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Thought I would post the pic of the corrected gutter on the back of the building. With some weathering, this baby will be great. Might get into some weathering this afternoon, or not. Enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
with a little weathering, here is the pic of the gutter and back of the building. Enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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I'd have to say that it looks true to prototype. :)
That's some nasty looking gutter joint staining.....great job Frank. 8)
Good Morning Everyone.
Dan & Raymo, thanks for your kind works and glad you are enjoying the build. The end is in sight. Should be completed sometime this week / weekend, etc... Thought you might enjoy seeing the structure in its final location. Just a quick pic. Enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank - truly impressive. I'd be hard pressed to come close to this if I had a kit and you did it all from scratch. I bow to the master. :) An honorable mention should go to Raymo too for going out into the wild to get pictures for you. ;)
Quote from: GPdemayo on August 28, 2015, 09:09:54 AM
That's some nasty looking gutter joint staining.....great job Frank. 8)
Thanks Greg, Real fun building and bending the gutter. Does look a bit nasty. Take a peak at the pic that Raymo took.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ReadingBob on August 28, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
Frank - truly impressive. I'd be hard pressed to come close to this if I had a kit and you did it all from scratch. I bow to the master. :) An honorable mention should go to Raymo too for going out into the wild to get pictures for you. ;)
Bob,
Thank you for your kind words. This is not that hard. I know you can do it. Want to try? Raymo has certainly been a friend and contributor on this build. Just ask him about the weather and the stuff he has stepped in to take the pictures! Since I am entering this as structure only, there will be no scenery. not my favorite thing to do, but it is a long story. The current base that I am using to build the structure on is just a rectangle. As you can see in the photo, the final base is a lot more curves. If I had the time, I might consider building a fully decorated base. So much to do, so little time. Thanks again for your kind words. Based on the kits I have seen you build, you certainly build a scratch built structure like this. No problem. We need to talk about a project. Maybe something for Tom's new layout. how about Yakima Apples one and two?
Frank / Erieman
Thanks for the encouragement Frank. There are some structures I'd like to scratch build One of these days I'll take a stab at it. I'm not familiar with Yakima Apples. For sure I'd like to try to recreate a couple of structures that are on the FSM that were never released as kits. Maybe a little shanty town of run down shacks (good starter project using stuff from the scrap box). Possibly a few Reading Company structures. The biggest problem that I have is that I have way too many cool kits stashed around the house (what terrible problem to have :D ) and buddy's like Tom and John that seem to like what I do. :D
Quote from: ReadingBob on August 28, 2015, 06:13:51 PM
Thanks for the encouragement Frank. There are some structures I'd like to scratch build One of these days I'll take a stab at it. I'm not familiar with Yakima Apples. For sure I'd like to try to recreate a couple of structures that are on the FSM that were never released as kits. Maybe a little shanty town of run down shacks (good starter project using stuff from the scrap box). Possibly a few Reading Company structures. The biggest problem that I have is that I have way too many cool kits stashed around the house (what terrible problem to have :D ) and buddy's like Tom and John that seem to like what I do. :D
Bob,
Ask Tom about Yakima Apples. He has a file on the two structures. I saw the two buildings at a hobby shop, liked them and then took several photos. a couple of years I made the drawings, and then made the two separate structures. These would be great on Tom's new layout creation. I would update the drawings that I have to assist you in the build. I have a lot of photos, and it is mostly scratch built components. A good scratch structure to start with. Just saying... You can do these. Easy Pezy. Let me know your thoughts after you have talked to tom. Send me an email / Tom has my email address. We all like what you build.
Frank / Erieman
Just ask him about the weather and the stuff he has stepped in to take the pictures!
Frank / Erieman
And Boy did I ever step in it!! :o :o
Coming along great Frank! Those gutters are really something, as is the weathering/rusty look.
Frank,
The broken gutter and rotting walls are wonderful! I'll show Bob the Yakima Apples photos. Here are three for the gang.
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I love that building. Sure would make a great kit.
Quote from: coors2u on August 29, 2015, 08:01:34 AM
I love that building. Sure would make a great kit.
Dustin,
Take another look. Those are two different buildings. One for each side of the track. I'll show more of them later.
Tom ;D
Those are cool buildings and Dustin is certainly right, either (or both) would make great kits. :D
Thanks for posting the pictures Tom!
As my better half and I were watching a movie last night I spotted a structure in the movie that, whenever I see it (we watch this movie quite often), I always think would be really neat to scratch build and make a great addition to a layout. The movie we were watching was "A League of Their Own" and the structure I like is "The Suds Bucket". It looks like it would be a really neat night scene if it were lit up with a bunch of Slim's LED's.
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Thats right Tom. I forgot it was two different ones.
Quote from: Raymo on August 28, 2015, 07:32:07 PM
Just ask him about the weather and the stuff he has stepped in to take the pictures!
Frank / Erieman
And Boy did I ever step in it!! :o :o
Dan,
I guess you should be glad you weren't wearing flip flops! Thanks again for all your help/
frank / Erieman
Quote from: MAP on August 29, 2015, 06:39:08 AM
Coming along great Frank! Those gutters are really something, as is the weathering/rusty look.
Good morning Mark,
Thanks for stopping by. glad you are enjoying the weathering. I have just started to weather. Still have a few more structure details and then I will get back to the weathering. Stay tuned.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ReadingBob on August 29, 2015, 08:40:07 AM
Those are cool buildings and Dustin is certainly right, either (or both) would make great kits. :D
Thanks for posting the pictures Tom!
As my better half and I were watching a movie last night I spotted a structure in the movie that, whenever I see it (we watch this movie quite often), I always think would be really neat to scratch build and make a great addition to a layout. The movie we were watching was "A League of Their Own" and the structure I like is "The Suds Bucket". It looks like it would be a really neat night scene if it were lit up with a bunch of Slim's LED's.
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Bob,
It looks like we really woke up a sleeping giant. It did not take Tom long to post the pictures of Yakima Apples!!! He must be getting better!!! To give you a little history, I saw these buildings at H&R Trains in St. Petersburg many years ago. They were designed and built by Ron Dillon. I really was impressed by his work. After seeing them, i could not forget about them, so I had a friend nearby take several photos and send them to me. From the photos, I first made a white model of each, followed up by the final models you see. They really are a show stopper on the layout and sit up close to the edge. So much to see.
I do like the "Suds Bucket". It sort of reminds me of Dario Le Donde's work; like the gas station.
Once the convention is over, I will try to make a complete set of drawings of both buildings and send them to Tom. That way, he will have come over and wimper a lot. Thanks again for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: coors2u on August 29, 2015, 08:01:34 AM
I love that building. Sure would make a great kit.
Dustin,
FYI, Groovy Jeff and I have been talking about this very subject. Bug him and see what he says.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
I stopped by for and update - the weathering and broken gutter are great! And the pictures of the prototype to support - fantastic. Really enjoying the thread. Now quit reading posts and get back to work you are on a deadline!
Quote from: S&S RR on August 29, 2015, 01:14:35 PM
Frank
I stopped by for and update - the weathering and broken gutter are great! And the pictures of the prototype to support - fantastic. Really enjoying the thread. Now quit reading posts and get back to work you are on a deadline!
I'm Working. really. Besides the house work, I have been working on the front porches. They consist of a lattice internal bracing, floor boards and internal bracing. All the wood hadto be initially stained with A&I, then drybrush painted. Next will be the steps and banisters/railings. I am getting close to completion, then finish the write up of construction. More pics tomorrow.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank, it looks better and better with each photo you share with us.
I agree with Donato. With each read, I keep finding more and more ornate woodwork, variety of textures, great weathering technique, etc
This is really a classic!
John
Frank,
WOW !!!!! Fantastic scratch built structure .
Maybe you can post the contest write ups sheets on this one after the convention is over.
Excellent work !!!!!
Tom ;)
Quote from: Donato on August 30, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Frank, it looks better and better with each photo you share with us.
Quote from: Cuse on August 30, 2015, 09:55:41 PM
I agree with Donato. With each read, I keep finding more and more ornate woodwork, variety of textures, great weathering technique, etc
This is really a classic!
John
John & Donato / Good Morning Guys,
Thank you for your kind words. Just getting into the train room for a few hours of fun. Yesterday I worked on the the center front step and railing details. I loose track at the amount of time spent, but I can assure you that it was long, but time well spent. Lots of little details, a couple of whoops, correcting the whoops, etc.etc... I was hoping to be done by now, but as you can see, I'm not there, but getting closer every day. This week for sure!!! Here is a pic of the center front porch railing. thanks again.
Frank / Erieman
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Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on August 31, 2015, 02:08:13 PM
Frank,
WOW !!!!! Fantastic scratch built structure .
Maybe you can post the contest write ups sheets on this one after the convention is over.
Excellent work !!!!!
Tom ;)
Good Morning Tom,
Thank you for stopping by and enjoying the build of East End Market. As far as posting the write up sheets, that will be a no. Not because I don't want to, but because of the number of sheets. Each of my builds is assembled into a book. This will be my biggest book because of all the details, history, photos, construction details, etc.... I will be spending the next two weeks working on the book to get it ready for judging. So much to do, and time is marching on so-o-o-o quickly. thank you for asking. I will show a pic or two of the book along with the finished building soon. After the contest, the second phase of the build will take place / creating the scene / diorama of the building scenery. I have been building the structure firs and then mount it onto a foam base and do all the scenery to it. This makes a removable module at some point of time and allows me to add a lot of detail, especially when the structure is close to the viewer. TTFN, need to back to the build. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Looking super, Frank!
I have been enjoying watching your progress on this splendid model.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on August 31, 2015, 03:13:16 PM
Looking super, Frank!
I have been enjoying watching your progress on this splendid model.
Cheers, Mark.
Thanks Mark.
Glad you are enjoying the build. It is one thing to see just the structure and another to see the surrounding scenery. I can't wait until i have it all done with scenery. Keep watching, more pics soon.
Frank / Erieman
Good Evening All,
I spent the day working on several details on the structure. One of the details are the chimney's. There are four of them. I am using Monster Modelworks 1/4 in corners for the basic chimney. Using a Dremel, I ground out a recess in each. One has to be a little careful to keep the grinder away from your finger. Wearing an optivisor also helps to see exactly what you are removing. After grinding out the four recesses, I painted the recesses black. I added lightning rods to each chimney using .010 phosphor bronze wire, primed the wire and added a little patina pigment to give the appearance of weathering. The lightning rods were then glued to the chimney. A little touch up around the brick was done a couple of the bricks. I also used some PanPastel to give the effect of smoke on the chimney tops and sides. Just a little. Remember it is easy to add, but oh so difficult to subtract should you use too much. The I glued each chimney in place. After drying, I needed to apply some form of flashing around the chimney. After a conversation with ACL1504 recently, he gave me a couple of ideas on what he has used. clearly, metal flashing was out. So that meant some form of tar application. I concocted a slight modification to Tom's ideas. I used a grey water based acrylic with clear Gallery glass. Mixed it up and gave it a few minutes to congeal. Using a tooth pick, I slowly and somewhat carefully applied this concoction around the base of the chimney. Voila, the chimney has been flashed.
I continue to work on the railings on the front porch. I hope that tomorrow the larger front porch will be done. I am also working on the write up of the build. Typically, you should do this as you build, but very few of us do such an easy thing.
Here is the pic of the chimney.
Frank / Erieman
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Looks good Frank!
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 02, 2015, 07:15:53 AM
Looks good Frank!
Tom ;D
Good Morning Tom,
I have been working on the porch railings the past few days. Yes, I said a few days. Those little puppies are not easy or fun. The good news is that I am almost done with them. Just a few minor features to add to the building and it will be done. Phew. Of course, I mean the building will be done, NOT the scenery that surrounds it. That's another couple of days - right. I am entering the building as a structure only, no scenery. We will see how this turns out. Thanks for the heads up on how to make the roofing tar. It really worked well and looks great.
Frank / Erieman
I think the corbels and the garage door look particularly great!!!! ::) ...seriously, a beautiful job on this one Frank....
Quote from: jlgrove on September 03, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
I think the corbels and the garage door look particularly great!!!! ::) ...seriously, a beautiful job on this one Frank....
Jeff,
Thanks for your kind words. The attached photo is the model 99% complete. WHEW. A couple of other minor details and a little more weathering and this puppy is done. Thanks again for all your help.
Frank / Erieman
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That is one great looking structure Frank.
Smashing!
(I had to go out and purchase a Thesaurus)
Excelsior!!!
It looks great my friend! I got to spend a few minutes with Gil yesterday - I will give you a call next week.
Quote from: coors2u on September 03, 2015, 08:03:44 PM
That is one great looking structure Frank.
Dustin,
Thank you for your kind words. Still a lot of minor issues to be corrected and installed. I just don't where they are coming from, but they will be finished real soon.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: martin.ojaste on September 03, 2015, 10:24:17 PM
Smashing!
Martin,
Glad you have enjoyed the build. Here is another pic of the front of the building. I forgot to add the Chimney on the small end building. i just keep looking at all the photos to see what I have missed. Probably more, but I'll find and fix whatever there is. thaks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
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Quote from: Donato on September 04, 2015, 11:00:37 AM
(I had to go out and purchase a Thesaurus)
Excelsior!!!
Thanks Donato. This building has been a challenge, but it gets closer to being finished every day. Here is another of the rear view of structure.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank, it just keeps getting better with every detail that you add.
What an incredible structure. Great work, Frank. Good luck at the contest, but I think you've made your own luck with this one and will do well.
Jeff
Quote from: MAP on September 06, 2015, 06:50:15 AM
Frank, it just keeps getting better with every detail that you add.
Mark,
Thank you for your kind words. Here is another pic of the front entry of the building. you will see only one screen door, as per the actual building. The screen material is 140 x 140 lines per inch. Actually silk screen material that is tinted. I continue to add small details that I see in the photographs that Dan Raymond sent me. I will continue to post pics of added details as they are completed.
Frank / Erieman
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Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on September 06, 2015, 08:00:34 AM
What an incredible structure. Great work, Frank. Good luck at the contest, but I think you've made your own luck with this one and will do well.
Jeff
Good Morning Jeff,
Glad you enjoy the build. As I mentioned to Mark, I continue to add details, both existing and what I want in the scene. The building goes into the contest room in little over a week. The paperwork is well underway. While the model might look good, you really have to concentrate on the written description of what, how, etc.. you did to build the model. After the regional convention, I can then work on the actual scene that the model will reside. The base is done, well almost. It's pink, period. So it is basically a clean slate to work with. I really enjoy the scenic part of the build as well.
Here is another pic of the back of the building. I have added a circus poster and garbage cans to the structure. I will probably find more "stuff" to add over the next week.
Thank you for your kind words. Enjoy your weekend.
Frank / Erieman
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Good Afternoon All,
The model of East End Market is done. Scenery will be added later after the judging. I thought it would be interesting to post a pic of the original building and the same view of the model. what do you think?
Frank / Erieman
Which one is the original? Seriously Frank - amazing attention to detail! It has come out beautifully. I just wonder about that very white wing retaining wall. It might be worth painting that?
Cheers, Mark.
Winner,Winner.... Chicken Dinner!!!!
Amazing build!
Frank nice build.
On the facing gable wall, is there a reason for the upper window being in alignment with the lower windows? Also, the lower shack window being smaller?
Quote from: martin.ojaste on September 09, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
Frank nice build.
On the facing gable wall, is there a reason for the upper window being in alignment with the lower windows? Also, the lower shack window being smaller?
Good Eye Martin,
To answer your question, I made the two windows to the right of the chimney the same size and above one another, strictly for aesthetics. Both windows are the same size. The windows to the left of the chimney are two different sizes. This house has a lot of different size windows and I made the decision to reduce the variety. It is hard, without seeing the building both inside and outside, why the greaat diversity of window sizes. It will have to stay a mystery.
Let's call the changes - creative license. Thanks for stopping by.glad you enjoy the build.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Cuse on September 09, 2015, 06:59:18 PM
Amazing build!
Good Evening John,
Thank you for your kind words. glad you enjoyed the build. Now wait until after the convention and I will start the scenery portion of the build. Whoo-whoo. Sounds like you guys had a good time in Houston.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Raymo on September 09, 2015, 05:50:33 PM
Winner,Winner.... Chicken Dinner!!!!
How did you know what I had for dinner? Thanks Raymo. Let's see what Groovy Jeff does with the drawings. Stay tuned for the rest of the project - the landscaping.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: mark dalrymple on September 09, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Which one is the original? Seriously Frank - amazing attention to detail! It has come out beautifully. I just wonder about that very white wing retaining wall. It might be worth painting that?
Cheers, Mark.
Thanks Mark,
Mine build is the one with the white concrete pony wall. Thanks for the comment, I'll change it before it get's into the contest room. I really look forward to the rest of the project.
thaks again for your kind words.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, all I can say ....
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Well done Frank.....I'd vote for 1st place your build. 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 10, 2015, 08:52:26 AM
Well done Frank.....I'd vote for 1st place your build. 8) 8) 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Thank you for your kind words. I'll let you know how I do in a week and a half. BTW, I'm going after Best in Show.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Donato on September 09, 2015, 11:37:29 PM
Frank, all I can say ....
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Donato,
Thank you. Glad you have enjoyed the build. Should be a fun convention. Sorry you aren't able to make it. Hope your back gets better. FYI, we have a couple of people coming from New Jersey. WOW. Actually, we have folks coming from Switzerland, New Zealand, Philippines, Nova Scotia and a bunch from California. Should be a good time. Not bad for a regional convention.
Frank / Erieman
Hey Frank wish you all the best at the convention; hope it is a BIG success!!!
Spent the afternoon at Columbia Presbyterian Spine Center for a consult. I am going to need surgery not only for my lumbar spine, but also for my cervical spine. But before I can have any surgery, I have to test "Clean of nicotine" for at least 30 days prior to surgery or else the bones won't regenerate over the pins, screws and rods.
Thank God I can still sit on my butt and work on these builds.
Quote from: Erieman on September 10, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 10, 2015, 08:52:26 AM
Well done Frank.....I'd vote for 1st place your build. 8) 8) 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Thank you for your kind words. I'll let you know how I do in a week and a half. BTW, I'm going after Best in Show.
Frank / Erieman
I'd vote for your build in that too.....go get them! ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 11, 2015, 08:19:36 AM
Quote from: Erieman on September 10, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 10, 2015, 08:52:26 AM
Well done Frank.....I'd vote for 1st place your build. 8) 8) 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Thank you for your kind words. I'll let you know how I do in a week and a half. BTW, I'm going after Best in Show.
Frank / Erieman
I'd vote for your build in that too.....go get them! ;D
Greg,
So-o-o does that mean that the SBG guys are coming to Arizona next week to stuff the ballot box? Just kidding. I'm sure that there will be a lot of great models in the contest room making judging a challenge. Should be a good convention. I'll let you know what happens. speaking of the model, the other day I was looking at the photos and the model and thought that I could improve on the backside of the garage. I thought about using rubber cement resists to create a much better weathered wall. That thought is still with me, but the clock is now in hyperspeed, so that thought will just have to move to the sidelines.
Good talking to you the other day. Stay busy so you can put that addition on the house. you need a bigger layout.!!!! Just ask Tom.
Frank / Erieman
Don't I wish we would leave for a visit tomorrow.....Tom and I still plan to get out there, just not sure when.
Best of luck with the contest. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 14, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
Don't I wish we would leave for a visit tomorrow.....Tom and I still plan to get out there, just not sure when.
Best of luck with the contest. 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Taking East End Market to the contest room this morning.There will be some good competition. Thanks for the "best of luck' comment, shall see how this turns out on Saturday. I'll let everyone know.
Greg, you and Tom are welcome any time. BTW, how is he doing. Haven't seen anything from him other that the brief crybaby picture a couple of days ago.
Frank / Erieman
Hi Frank,
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your best in show entry!
As for Tom.....you know those type "A" guys, he's grouchy as heck because he can't spend any time in his man cave. :o
But he is excited to get to the doctors tomorrow morning to have everything checked out and hopefully get the okay to do some light work on the railroad. :) ;D ;)
I saw some "highlights" photos from the convention, including your structure. How did you do?
dave
Quote from: deemery on September 20, 2015, 08:51:52 PM
I saw some "highlights" photos from the convention, including your structure. How did you do?
dave
Good Morning Dave,
Before I start, where did you see some highlights on the convention?
Sorry for the delay in posting anything on the model or the convention. While the convention ended Saturday night, I had my layout open on Sunday and had 30+ folks from Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada and New Zealand stop by to see the layout. By noon, I was so-o-o tired. I sat down at the computer to respond to your post, but my head kept nodding, so you had to wait until I had a good night sleep.
The convention was very well received by all. The contest room was loaded with over 40 models. All were very well done. East End market took first place in structures - off line. First place structures - on line and Best in Show was awarded to Steven Drees, fellow modeler from Tucson and quiet member of this forum. Perhaps we can get him to post some pictures of the model. His model was exceptional.
Scenery for East End Market will now be started. I did not have time to do the scenery prior to the convention. I have a rough foam base that the building and scenery will be built on and then installed on the layout. I will post some pictures as the scenery progresses.
Frank / Erieman
Congratulations!!! Well deserved. ;)
James Van Bokkelen (jvlb in these parts) posted some photos on Facebook, I think that's where I saw it...
dave
Congratulations Frank!! ;D
Congrats Frank , if Steven took first overall that must be a very impressive model, I too would like to see it.
Frank, Congratulations on your NMRA Regional First Place Off-Line Structures model contest award for your East End Market build ! ;)
Atta boy Frank.....never doubted you wouldn't get 1st. 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 22, 2015, 08:42:01 AM
Atta boy Frank.....never doubted you wouldn't get 1st. 8) 8) 8)
Ditto to all the other comments Frank.
Tom ;D
Frank
Congratulations- well done!
Donato, Dave, Raymo, Janbouli, Tom 125, ACL 1504, Greg, John and all others. Thank you for your king words about the recent win with East End Market. Thank everyone for your encouragement with the structure. A real big thank you to Dan "Raymo" Raymond for putting up with my questions and taking care of my photo needs on East End Market. It was a real pleasure to build this structure.
Congratulations to my friend Steven Drees for kicking my ass in the contest room. He walked away with "Best in Show" for his beautiful Star Creek Saw Mill diorama, now posted on this forum. If you have not already, please go over and congratulate him. He is kind of shy, so the more accolades he gets, might bring him out of his shyness.
The convention went very well. I guess I was really "up" during the entire time and now I am really paying for it. I am recovering from "Dragging my Butt". I hope that I am back to normal by the end of the week.
Thanks again.
Frank / Erieman
Here are my contest room photos of the Market:
Thanks James for posting the East End market pics. The building is now ready for scenery. I'll be posting some pics soon as I recovery from the convention. I think many of us are still coming down from the high of the convention. Good to meet you and hope you had an enjoyable time here in Arizona.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, it really turned out to be a gem. Such a great subject and you mastered it perfectly. It is just simply a fantastic looking structure.
Quote from: coors2u on September 25, 2015, 07:37:41 PM
Frank, it really turned out to be a gem. Such a great subject and you mastered it perfectly. It is just simply a fantastic looking structure.
Dustin,
Thank you for your kind words. I am glad you liked the build and results. I can't wait to get to the scenery. Maybe next week. working on a few items that cropped up during the open house. Have to see if I can repeat it and then diagnose it. electrical is not my bag. That's my neighbor down the street. He is the electrical guru and I handle the mechanical. has been working well for 30 years of building layouts.
Stay tuned for the scenery. All the material is here. i just need to cut and carve the pink foam, then its trees and bushes!!!
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
East End really turned out nice. The award was well deserved as I mentioned. Jim's pictures shown above also really show just how much work and detail you put into the scratch build. You are the man for scratch building.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 26, 2015, 08:24:30 AM
Frank,
East End really turned out nice. The award was well deserved as I mentioned. Jim's pictures shown above also really show just how much work and detail you put into the scratch build. You are the man for scratch building.
Tom ;D
Tom,
thanks for your kind words. James pictures show a lot more detail of the structures. It is always interesting to ee how people photograph the same structure. Hopefully he has some more. As I have mentioned, now its time for scenery. I have the foam rough cut to start. Just cleaning up some items from the convention and then I will get into making it real beautiful.
Frank / Erieman
Hi James:
That is quite the project and very well done I must say.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on October 20, 2015, 08:41:57 AM
Hi James:
That is quite the project and very well done I must say.
Karl
I'm confused. But thank you.
frank / erieman
Frank
I enjoyed the video - your layout looks great. I finally got to a place with enough band width to download it. All that wonderful modeling and it's the bird sh *t that gets noticed. It's all about the details. I'm looking forward to watching your next project.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 20, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
Frank
I enjoyed the video - your layout looks great. I finally got to a place with enough band width to download it. All that wonderful modeling and it's the bird sh *t that gets noticed. It's all about the details. I'm looking forward to watching your next project.
Good Morning John,
I don't know how to move this post over to the M&E thread, but no big. glad you enjoyed the video. I have several new projects in the planning stage. The steel mill and the buildings around the East End Market area. Well, maybe both at the same time. Never a dull moment.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on October 21, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on October 20, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
Frank
I enjoyed the video - your layout looks great. I finally got to a place with enough band width to download it. All that wonderful modeling and it's the bird sh *t that gets noticed. It's all about the details. I'm looking forward to watching your next project.
Good Morning John,
I don't know how to move this post over to the M&E thread, but no big. glad you enjoyed the video. I have several new projects in the planning stage. The steel mill and the buildings around the East End Market area. Well, maybe both at the same time. Never a dull moment.
Frank / Erieman
Sorry, I managed to post on the wrong thread.
I've must have been sleeping or took the wrong fork at the Y .... where do I get to see the aforementioned video???
Thanks!
Quote from: Donato on October 21, 2015, 08:52:04 PM
I've must have been sleeping or took the wrong fork at the Y .... where do I get to see the aforementioned video???
Thanks!
Donato,
John saw a video that I posted on my railroad thread "Morristown & Erie Railroad - Western division. Our guest speaker at our recent convention was Dale Angell and he has a weekly show on You tube. While at the convention, he took video of several layouts. Here is the video that he took of mine. The first part is the trip of he and his wife on the train from Williams, Arizona to the Grand Canyon. The second half of the video is on my layout. Here you go.
Frank / Erieman
Frank, thank you so much. Nice video....GREAT layout.....
Don
Frank:
As I said that is quite the project and you are doing a great job with it.
karl
Quote from: Donato on October 22, 2015, 12:48:40 PM
Frank, thank you so much. Nice video....GREAT layout.....
Don
Don, Glad you enjoyed the video. Since this video was taken, i have been dismantling a section of the layout ( not shown in the video) to build the steel mill. A good friend in Tucson spent the last 5 months building me a rolling mill and now I have to build the rest. I will start a separate thread for the steel mill soon. Working on getting a good arrangement of the structures ( not yet built) in the area plus track. This is going to be a BIG project.
Have a great day.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: postalkarl on November 03, 2015, 10:46:51 AM
Frank:
As I said that is quite the project and you are doing a great job with it.
karl
Good Morning Karl,
East End Market is now sitting in the area on the layout that it was design for. No scenery yet. Soon. I have also been making white models of surrounding buildings for a future series of scratchbuilt structures. There is always something to do on this layout. As I mentioned to Donato, I have had a friend build me a rolling mill for my steel mill complex. Well the building is the beginning of my steel mill complex. I have been taking an area down to the framework so I can start fresh. I'll be opening a thread on this project later in the week. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Good Afternoon All,
The East End Market structure has been sitting on the layout for a couple of months. I have sculpted the foam blocks for roads and other effects. I like where it is placed, so now it is time to finish the diorama. In addition, I will be adding a two car Garage that Raymo has been so kind to photograph and sketch up the basic building dimensions. I have added stone walls both front and back. The garage will be placed against the rear stone wall. I need to take some artistic license with the structure due to the size of the foam module. Nothing major. Now I just have to remember the colors and sequence of A&I, etc. that I used on the main building. I tout in my weathering clinics how important it is to document everything, and I am the worst offender. My Bad.
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More pictures during the upcoming week. This is a simple structure. I really want to get into the weeds, etc. around the building.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
What a wonderful structure. It will look great once the scenery is finished. I've said it before but you are the best at scratch building.
Tom ;D
Atta boy Frank. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on December 22, 2015, 09:02:52 AM
Atta boy Frank. 8)
Thanks Greg, I'm working on it.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on December 21, 2015, 09:38:27 AM
Frank,
What a wonderful structure. It will look great once the scenery is finished. I've said it before but you are the best at scratch building.
Tom ;D
Tom,
Thank you for your kind words. I do like scratch building, but I think that there a lot of other great scratch builders on the forum, but I guess I'll wear the crown for a while! Here is a recent picture of the garage addition. Basically the foundation and four walls. I will be working on the roof over the next couple of days and then weather it. Then I can get back to the scenery. enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank,
You just keep adding to the "nice" on that build.
Wow, the garage looks great!
That does fit in well with the original structure.
Tom, Donato, James, Raymo,
Merry Christmas to you guys. Thanks for stopping by East End Market. Well, the two car garage is done. now it's back to the scenery. Lot to do here. And then i need to have some vehicles in the scene. No worries Dan, I'll build them. You know I love Sylvan vehicles. And weeds, going to have to come up with lots of weeds to make it look somewhat like the actual building. I do have some trees to add that will really help to soften the scene.
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Frank / Erieman
Looks great Frank
John
That is a wonderful looking building Frank, exactly the right amount of weathering and the garage , excellent add on.
Frank, I would put that building right up there with the top end kits I have seen. The fact that is scratchbuilt makes it even better.
8)
John, Jan and Andy,
Thank you for your kind words. I am glad you are enjoying the build. As you will see, the scenery is coming along. I am building all of my structures on foam blocks to aid in ease of removal ( hopefully some time in the distant future). This allows me to take the module and insert into the scene several times before I will call it complete. Taking photos as I go along from different angles also help in the scene.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank,
It is looking really fantastic with the scenery. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Drees
Beautiful job. I particularly like the roof details such as the corbels. Interesting that they are vertical and not perpendicular to the roof line. Jim
Good Morning Steven and Jim,
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Thank you for stopping by my thread and for your kind words. Just a quick post of another scenery shot with a major tree in the backyard of East end Market. The scenery below is done so I planted the tree. Enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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WoW .... looks real .... when can I move in????
Love the tree!
Frank
It's looking great!
John, Martin and Donato,
Good morning guys. Thanks for stopping by and your kind words. I have had this tree for some time and this was the best place for it. Donato, sorry but the building is a derelict, at least the real one. Apparently no one has been living in it for quite a time, just ask Raymo. I have been busy "cleaning' the train room. I added new storage drawers for all the scenery material that was it many boxes under the layout. Now i have one place to go. That does mean that i will be able to find anything easier or faster, but it's a start.
Hope you all have a great weekend.
Frank / Erieman
Morning Mr. Erieman,
I trust you and the family had a great Christmas. My Babe and I did for sure.
I guess I'll just parrot what everyone else is saying about the build. FANTASTIC looking and especially with the scenery. It will be spectacular when the area is finished.
I've started on your brass loco and have discovered something you probably didn't know about it. I'll call you later this afternoon.
Keep the pictures coming.
Tom
Tom,
Great talking to you today. While you are having fun working on my engine, I am working on scenery for East End Market and making progress. As I mentioned, I had a senior moment today while on the thread mill. How about some derelict cars as part of the scene for East End Market. I'm excited about this. I mentioned the idea to Raymo and he feels the same. Now I have to see if I can get some car bodies to bend, paint and weather. I have the perfect spot on the module and will keep everyone up to date on the progress.
In the meantime, here is another pic of the structure facing the end of the building. Enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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Beautiful work, Frank! That tree is fantastic!
John
John,
Thanks for stopping by and your kind words. You will appreciate my next comment. While working on road scenery tonight, I encountered a BIG WHOOPS. The model fell off the adjustable stand that I work on the models. Yes, 30" to the floor. After several expletives, I picked up the model to find a lot less damage than I thought would have occured. As you can see in the attached photo, the right porch and roof snapped off. That was all!!! After a few minutes, everything is back together. PHEW!!! I'm getting too old for this kind of excitement. Now it is time to get back to the scenery!!!
Frank / Erieman
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Frank,
I also enjoyed our conversation yesterday. I think the old abandoned cars is a great idea. Lots of rust and weeds. It will be a great scene.
Tom ;D
Good Afternoon Tom,
Been busy developing my idea for the "garage" that will be at one end of East End Market. As I mentioned, Dan Raymond has been a lot of help on East End Market and thought that I would build a structure for Dan. So-o-o, I have come up with Raymo's Auto Salvage. It will have car and truck components, tires, rims, axles, etc... along with a small office building. There is a small triangular section on the right side of the property. It will be a small structure with signage, etc. with chain link fence surrounding a bunch of car and trucks. The scene will be very run down with lots of weeds, rust, junk, etc... I have been building some cars and trucks today for the area. More later once I have had some time to design the actual building.
Taking the wife out for dinner tonight. It's our 36th anniversary. How time flies when you are having fun! She was good today, letting me play in the train room all day with no interruptions. Sweet.
Frank / Erieman
Congrats on the anniversary! (we'll hit 33 in March). I like the idea of a 'automotive recycler' :-)
dave
Quote from: Erieman on December 29, 2015, 06:15:17 PM
Good Afternoon Tom,
Been busy developing my idea for the "garage" that will be at one end of East End Market. As I mentioned, Dan Raymond has been a lot of help on East End Market and thought that I would build a structure for Dan. So-o-o, I have come up with Raymo's Auto Salvage. It will have car and truck components, tires, rims, axles, etc... along with a small office building. There is a small triangular section on the right side of the property. It will be a small structure with signage, etc. with chain link fence surrounding a bunch of car and trucks. The scene will be very run down with lots of weeds, rust, junk, etc... I have been building some cars and trucks today for the area. More later once I have had some time to design the actual building.
Taking the wife out for dinner tonight. It's our 36th anniversary. How time flies when you are having fun! She was good today, letting me play in the train room all day with no interruptions. Sweet.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
Congratulations on your anniversary! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with for Raymo's
Auto Salvage. It's always more fun when you have a theme for a build and Dan is very deserving of the honor.
You must have been scared to look when the East End Market went for the floor. Don't do that it's bad for your heart!
Happy Anniversary Frank! :)
Yes indeed .... Happy Anniversary Frank and the Person that lets him play in the train room all day without interruption.
Thanks to everyone for their Anniversary Wishes. It was a special day. Today, after a few house projects, I have been back in the train room working on my concept of RAYMO'S auto salvage. The more time I get to work on this portion of the project, the more things I come up with to add into this small portion of the scene. So-o-o, I made a sketch of my idea. I found that I have a 'Little Hook" sitting on "to do" shelf. Adding that to the auto Salvage yard only adds more interest to the scene. I recall while in grade school, there was a salvage yard across the street behind some houses. While we could not go into the yard, we could certainly see and hear it. There was a perfect view from the elevated railroad tracks at the back of the facility. AHHH Memories.
So as you can see in the sketch, I have an office for Raymo, a billboard, several car and truck bodies, tires and other miscellaneous car and truck parts. Even "Little Hook" will have a name on the door! "DAN". Now I just have to get a lot of car and truck bodies, frames, etc... for the scene. Painting and weathering will top the whole area. Hope you enjoy the idea.
Frank / Erieman
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Thanks Frank, It has a nice"homey" feel to it. ;D
Quote from: Raymo on December 30, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Thanks Frank, It has a nice"homey" feel to it. ;D
Dan,
Glad you like the idea. I am working on the fencing now. I have also been going thru my Sylvan vehicles and a bunch of other vehicles that will be in the scrap yard along with lots of parts from other models. I sent an email to Clare to see if he has any short pours that he might sell me. He must be on holiday because there is no answer. six to eight "Shorts" would be great. I will continue on the fencing and basic ground cover until I hear from Clare. I have also started the "Little Hook". Probably a couple of weeks to get this area done, but it should be sweet.
Happy New Year to you.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
Raymo's Auto Salvage is going to look really great. The drawing really brings it to life.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND PHYLLIS!
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on December 31, 2015, 04:02:30 PM
Frank,
Raymo's Auto Salvage is going to look really great. The drawing really brings it to life.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND PHYLLIS!
Tom ;D
Good Afternoon Tom,
Glad you like the sketch. As you know, I use my sketching abilities to visualize my thoughts. Currently installing the fencing, slowly but surely and it is looking good. Lots of hills to contour to the fencing. Next will be the ground cover / "Little Hook". I have many cars and trucks on my bench for potential inclusion in the junkyard. Can't wait to finish this build. In the meantime, it' New Year's Eve. Pizza, a movie in our theatre with friends and and quite evening.
Happy New Year to You and Pam. Talk to you in the new year.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
I love the concept sketch- this we'll be a great scene.
Frank you sir are a fine artist and a pretty darn good scratch builder as well.
Quote from: coors2u on December 31, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
Frank you sir are a fine artist and a pretty darn good scratch builder as well.
....and don't forget .... a hell of a nice guy!!!!
Quote from: Raymo on December 30, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Thanks Frank, It has a nice"homey" feel to it. ;D
Dan,
Happy New Year,
Started the day with breakfast with some old friends and then we all went to see the latest "Star Wars" movie. What a good way to start the year. Now I am in the train room working on the Chain Link Fence. About 1/2 way done. Next up will be all the scenery in and out of the fence. I'll take a picture then to give you a feel of what it will really look like.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: S&S RR on December 31, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Frank
I love the concept sketch- this we'll be a great scene.
Happy New Year John,
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you like the sketch. It gave me a good idea of what I want to achieve and it only took me a few minutes to do. I'll post a pic of the current status in the next day or two.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: coors2u on December 31, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
Frank you sir are a fine artist and a pretty darn good scratch builder as well.
Dustin,
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you are enjoying the build. I have been drawing before I started playing with trains, and that was a very long time ago. Sketching is sort of like riding a bike, once you learn, you don't forget. With scratch building, you are constantly learning. More real soon.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Donato on January 01, 2016, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: coors2u on December 31, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
Frank you sir are a fine artist and a pretty darn good scratch builder as well.
....and don't forget .... a hell of a nice guy!!!!
Donato,
Happy New Year. Thank you for your kind words. Now if I can only get my "Swelled" head into the train room and finish the build, everyone will be happy. I just love the hobby and all the folks on this forum. Have a wonderful year, my friend.
Frank / Erieman
Good Evening,
Here is a quick picture of the chain link fence and gates. This is about half complete. The grey primer is too dark and will be sprayed with a lighter grey primer, then weathered before installation.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank it coming along quite nicely. It looks like the dry brushing on the gable end is a bit too regular.
Good Evening Martin,
Glad you are enjoying the build. There is not much dry brushing on the building except for the shadow created by the eve. Perhaps it is the lighting. Anyway, here is another picture showing the Chainlink fence with operating gates. Perhaps "Operating" is the wrong terminology. They move when touched by hand, not an automated gate. All the fence is nor installed along with much of the groundcover. Still to be added are additional rocks along the fence, weeds, and more brush. I am designing the "Raymo, auto salvage" sign, the building and the "Little Hook" crane. So-o-o, more to come.
Frank / Erieman
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You are right, it must have been the lighting.
Good Afternoon Everyone,
The rain and generally miserable weather outside means more train room time inside. All the chain link fence is in, the base groundcover is applied, stones along the fence are in. I completed the "RAYMO" sign and have installed the "Little Hook". The "Little Hook" still requires some final paint, weathering and the operator shed. There will also be more weeds added when the auto and truck parts are added. Soon, very soon, the yard will fill up with JUNK. In the meantime, I need to build Raymo's office. That's next.
This is a real fun addition to the total module. Hope everyone is enjoying the junk yard.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank...
Very cool scene. You don't see a lot of little hooks any longer. They were a common in model photos of railroads in the 60's as Alexander made them and put them out at a very affordable price. I have one still operating on my RR but I can't think of another in downtown Idaho.
I helped scenic and detail a railroad here in town for a modeler that many people in the valley address as Mac. I created a scrap yard and when I wrote the "Ship It" for his RR I listed the siding to the yard as Mac's Scrap. Say that fast and the humor is quickly identifiable. His operators like dropping cars at the scrap yard and always announce completion.
Great scene...
thanx
Bob
Shouldn't the razor wire be facing in to make sure Raymo doesn't escape? ;D Looking good.
Jeff
Frank,
Just as I predicted, Raymo's Junk Yard is wonderful. Now you just need a junk yard dog or is that Raymo as well. Inquiring minds and all that kind of stuff.
Tom ;D
Quote from: bparrish on January 05, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Frank...
Very cool scene. You don't see a lot of little hooks any longer. They were a common in model photos of railroads in the 60's as Alexander made them and put them out at a very affordable price. I have one still operating on my RR but I can't think of another in downtown Idaho.
I helped scenic and detail a railroad here in town for a modeler that many people in the valley address as Mac. I created a scrap yard and when I wrote the "Ship It" for his RR I listed the siding to the yard as Mac's Scrap. Say that fast and the humor is quickly identifiable. His operators like dropping cars at the scrap yard and always announce completion.
Great scene...
thanx
Bob
Bob,
Thanks for stopping by. I have had this little hook for quite some time. It is still be manufactured by Tomar, just the price has changed. This will be #2 on my railroad. I thought it would look great in the junkyard. I have been changing some of the details on the hook, including the bracing. I want to make sure it will hold the magnet which is quite heavy. I will be also changing the cab to include an open door, ladder, etc... Pictures soon. The real fun part will be adding the junk cars/ trucks. My Sylvan supply is quickly diminishing as well as a couple of other manufacturers. cleaning the flash, priming, painting and weathering all the parts is going to take quite a long time so stay tuned.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on January 05, 2016, 02:20:02 PM
Shouldn't the razor wire be facing in to make sure Raymo doesn't escape? ;D Looking good.
Jeff
Dr. Jeff,
Thank you stopping by. You really made me look at the instructions for the direction of the razor wire. WHEW. As far as keeping Raymo behind the fence, He can come and go as much as he likes. He was very helpful getting me photos and information on East End Market and I am pleased to give him a place on my railroad, even if it is a junkyard. Glad you like the scene. More soon.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 05, 2016, 02:41:25 PM
Frank,
Just as I predicted, Raymo's Junk Yard is wonderful. Now you just need a junk yard dog or is that Raymo as well. Inquiring minds and all that kind of stuff.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom for your kind words. Glad you are enjoying the progress. Don't worry about the junk yard dog. My real decision is whether the dog gets a dog house or not. Wait til you see all the junk that I will be putting into the yard. OMG, there is a lot of priming, painting and weathering to be done. With the weather outside be overcast and a slight drizzle from the heavens above, being in the train room is wonderful. Except for the occasional interruption from the boss for a myriad of things, but so what is new. Enjoy your warm weather.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on January 05, 2016, 02:20:02 PM
Shouldn't the razor wire be facing in to make sure Raymo doesn't escape? ;D Looking good.
Jeff
That's right, I love the damp,wet smell of grease in the morning!
Quote from: Erieman on January 05, 2016, 01:48:18 PM
Good Afternoon Everyone,
The rain and generally miserable weather outside means more train room time inside. All the chain link fence is in, the base groundcover is applied, stones along the fence are in. I completed the "RAYMO" sign and have installed the "Little Hook". The "Little Hook" still requires some final paint, weathering and the operator shed. There will also be more weeds added when the auto and truck parts are added. Soon, very soon, the yard will fill up with JUNK. In the meantime, I need to build Raymo's office. That's next.
This is a real fun addition to the total module. Hope everyone is enjoying the junk yard.
Frank / Erieman
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My little home away from home is looking "Sweet"!
I'd like a Little Hook in N-scale , wonder if there are any out there, is that the real name , or should I google for something else?
Quote from: Janbouli on January 05, 2016, 04:15:29 PM
I'd like a Little Hook in N-scale , wonder if there are any out there, is that the real name , or should I google for something else?
Jan,
i checked the Tomar Industries website. the bad news is that they do not make this in "N" scale. Whooee this would be small in "N". Perhaps there is another "N" scaler on the forum that might know what else might look similar. Thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Raymo on January 05, 2016, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: Erieman on January 05, 2016, 01:48:18 PM
Good Afternoon Everyone,
The rain and generally miserable weather outside means more train room time inside. All the chain link fence is in, the base groundcover is applied, stones along the fence are in. I completed the "RAYMO" sign and have installed the "Little Hook". The "Little Hook" still requires some final paint, weathering and the operator shed. There will also be more weeds added when the auto and truck parts are added. Soon, very soon, the yard will fill up with JUNK. In the meantime, I need to build Raymo's office. That's next.
This is a real fun addition to the total module. Hope everyone is enjoying the junk yard.
Frank / Erieman
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My little home away from home is looking "Sweet"!
More to follow. Stay tuned. Wait until you see the junk yard. All I can say is that there will be a lot of junk.
Frank / Erieman
Frank...
Here is a link to a modeler friend in Portland Oregon. He is an N scaler and his junk yard was built many years ago as a module and is currently on his completed home railroad. He was on the national tour in Portland last summer.
When you get to the link go to the bottom of the page and press slide show.
He is a graphics artist and has done some amazing work.
https://www.hankstrains.com (https://www.google.com/#q=hankstrains.com)
see ya
Bob
Bob,
Thanks for the site. Nice work for "N" scale. Too small for me.
Continuing on with the junk yard, the office is almost done. The corrugated roof is drying and will be installed later today. Most of the sides for the control shed are done awaiting assembly. Next up after that will be all the junk, but that is another story. Enjoy the pic.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank,
Fantastic stuff and a real believable scene. Great work my friend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 06, 2016, 10:09:34 PM
Frank,
Fantastic stuff and a real believable scene. Great work my friend.
Tom ;D
Tom,
Thank you for your kind words. Progress is being made. Awaiting a package from Sylvan and then I can fill in the Junk yard. Can't wait to see the final results. While i wait for the mailman, I need to add the groundcover to the other end of the building. I post some more pics soon.
Frank / Erieman
Okay Guys,
The postman bought me some bodies for the junkyard. So have moved them into a location to check out my idea. So far, so good. Now I need to do a little distressing, priming, painting and weathering of these bodies. I have a bunch of wheels, rear ends, tires, rims, etc to add to the pic. More to follow in a couple of days.
Frank / Erieman
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Frank,
Aren't you finished with the junk cars? I know you have nothing else to do so let's see the finished photos. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have nothing to do either.
Tom ;D
Frank
Sounds like someone is having trouble adjusting to retired timing. ;D ;D The scene is really taking shape - now for the rust. How are you doing with all the rain?
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 09, 2016, 08:11:11 AM
Frank,
Aren't you finished with the junk cars? I know you have nothing else to do so let's see the finished photos. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have nothing to do either.
Tom ;D
RIGHT, I keep telling myself that, but you are going to have to wait. The wife has a few outside projects for me now that the rain has stopped. We are going to have a lovely sunny day with temps in the 50's. Still not Florida weather, but I'll keep it.
I have primed the main vehicles on theunderside and will prime the tops later today. Besides the bodies, I have a lot of junk ( as shown in Raymo's post) that needs priming, painting and weathering. Needless to say, you are going to have to wait.
Have a great weekend.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: S&S RR on January 09, 2016, 08:14:55 AM
Frank
Sounds like someone is having trouble adjusting to retired timing. ;D ;D The scene is really taking shape - now for the rust. How are you doing with all the rain?
Good Morning John,
We had about 2 1/2 inches of rain where I live over the past five days. It was a slow rain, so the ground was able to absorb it nicely. We could more of that. The news media will show you pictures and video of the dumb motorists crossing a flooded street and then slowly drifting off into oblivion. That's why we have the dumb motorist law. When it rains, you stay out of low areas. Now the sun is out so I get some yard work done, then play later in the day! Have a great weekend painting and moving furniture.
Frank / Erieman
Okay, the junk yard is done, or at least done for the moment. I will probably find something else to add, but I need to move onto something else. I have taken pictures from both directions to give you a better view on the yard contents. Enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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Picture #2. Enjoy
Frank / Erieman
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Frank,
The junk yard turned out looking like a real junk yard. I like it very much.
Steve
Quote from: sdrees on January 10, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Frank,
The junk yard turned out looking like a real junk yard. I like it very much.
Steve
Steve,
Thank you for your kind words. Glad you like the junk yard. I still need to glue something the the magnet. Looking in my junk bin. In the meantime, here is a closeup photo that you might enjoy.
Frank / Erieman
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Wonderful Frank!
Tom ;D
Nice job Frank.
8)
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 10, 2016, 02:54:10 PM
Wonderful Frank!
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom,
Glad you enjoy the build.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: ak-milw on January 10, 2016, 02:55:46 PM
Nice job Frank.
Andy,
Thanks for stopping by. Glad you enjoyed the model. There are still several areas on this module that need to be finished. Hopefully soon.
Frank / Erieman
8)
Love the scene Frank..... 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 11, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
Love the scene Frank..... 8)
Good Morning Greg,
Thanks for stopping by. Glad you enjoy the scene. Still have more work to do on the scenery on this module. The otherend of the building still needs groundcover, a road and more trees. Then I can install it into the scene on the layout. So much to do, so little time.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on January 11, 2016, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 11, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
Love the scene Frank..... 8)
Good Morning Greg,
.....So much to do, so little time.....
Frank / Erieman
Right.....I keep forgetting you ole' retired guys have it so tough..... ;D ;D ;D ::)
Us Retired Guys are so Busy 8) 8) 8) 8)
Great looking Junk Frank.
Jim
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 11, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: Erieman on January 11, 2016, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 11, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
Love the scene Frank..... 8)
Good Morning Greg,
.....So much to do, so little time.....
Frank / Erieman
Right.....I keep forgetting you ole' retired guys have it so tough..... ;D ;D ;D ::)
Greg,
"Old" retired guys are like the "Energizer Bunny" We just keep on working on our railroads. And we are having fun!!! On day you will be joining us!!!
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: jimmillho on January 11, 2016, 09:09:31 PM
Us Retired Guys are so Busy 8) 8) 8) 8)
Great looking Junk Frank.
Jim
Thanks Jim. Good to hear from you. Yes retirement has its benefits, especially if you have a good hobby like model railroading. I was asked recently how much time I spend on my hobby. Well, let's put it this way, not as much as I like, but quite enough. Thanks for your kind words.
Frank / Erieman
Beautiful work Frank. My one issue....those cars look "too good" to be junk.....
Quote from: Donato on January 11, 2016, 10:57:06 PM
Beautiful work Frank. My one issue....those cars look "too good" to be junk.....
Donato,
Thank you for your kind words. I guess the cars look a "little too good", but perhaps I could do some more weathering. Using the 3 foot rule, it will look great. thanks for stopping by.
Frank / Erieman
You could always take them out and step on them
8)
Quote from: ak-milw on January 12, 2016, 08:06:24 PM
You could always take them out and step on them
8)
Andy,
Thanks for stopping by. Not going to step on them, but I like your thinking. Following up on the three foot rule, I believe that visitors will see the overall more than the specific. And yes, I really thought about this area. It is what is is now. Well, actually I need to add something to the bottom of the magnet. That ought to do it.
Frank / Erieman
I took East End Market to our division NMRA meet last weekend. Not for judging, but to show those members that did not attend the NMRA regional convention that we held in Scottsdale last September. Alan Olson, asked if he could photograph his truck model with my building. He wanted to send photos to Clare Gilbert at Sylvan Models. John did a beautiful job on the truck / trailer build. He mentioned that Clare helped him with a decal manufacturer and that he wanted to send him a photo. John created the artwork for the decals. I told him that I had sent Clare photos of this build because Clare had furnished me with cars for the junk yard. Enjoy the pics.
Frank / Erieman
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Sweeeet!!!!
Just great, Frank. Thumbs up!
John
Frank,
The truck looks absolutely fabulous in this scene.
I'll add to what Raymo said.
VERY SWEET! Wonderful photo!
Tom ;D
Raymo, Donato, Cuse, sdress and ACL1504,
Thank you for your kind words. I will forward this forum thread to Allen Olson, the builder of the truck, so he can see your comments. As SDress knows, Allen is a great modeler here in the desert. Will try to convince him to join the forum..
Frank / Erieman
Frank
Great scene!
Quote from: Erieman on January 11, 2016, 10:31:10 PM
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 11, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: Erieman on January 11, 2016, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on January 11, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
Love the scene Frank..... 8)
Good Morning Greg,
.....So much to do, so little time.....
Frank / Erieman
Right.....I keep forgetting you ole' retired guys have it so tough..... ;D ;D ;D ::)
Greg,
"Old" retired guys are like the "Energizer Bunny" We just keep on working on our railroads. And we are having fun!!! On day you will be joining us!!!
Frank / Erieman
Oh god, I hope so! ;D