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Title: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on August 12, 2015, 06:56:02 PM
Ok, so here is where I am at with my scratchbuild attempt at kind of re-creating the FSM Alan Deeks structure.  I'm only going to do 3 sides because I want to set it back a bit on the layout.

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: S&S RR on August 12, 2015, 08:10:04 PM
Looks like a great start!



Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on August 12, 2015, 08:42:40 PM
Bob,
I like your build !
Who's green paint did you use to paint the clapboards ?
Tom  ;)
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: EricQuebec on August 12, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
The color is very cool. can't wait to see more pics.
Eric QUébec city
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on August 13, 2015, 12:08:44 PM
This is the color I used on the walls- was applied "dry-brush" technique with a piece of a grout sponge.

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: ACL1504 on August 13, 2015, 12:35:14 PM
I love this structure and I'm lookiong forward to the finished build. I'll be following along. I've always liked the structure on the F&SM.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: GPdemayo on August 14, 2015, 08:36:41 AM
Neat structure Bob.....I'll be watching too.  8)
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: donatode on August 14, 2015, 10:52:38 PM
Count me in .... (I'm easy!)
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on August 24, 2015, 08:44:26 AM
so, while watching an old train video that was profiling the FSM, I came across a few frames of the Alan Deeks structure!  Paused the video and took a photo.  It shows the right hand side of the building which eliminates some guess work on my part!!

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: postalkarl on August 28, 2015, 12:51:03 PM
Hi RP:

Looks like your off to a good start. It looks great. I love that building on The F&SM RR. I tried to get George to do that as A kit at one point.

Karl
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on August 28, 2015, 08:08:36 PM
Thanks! More pics soon as I have made a little more progress. I was happy when I saw the building on the video
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on September 07, 2015, 08:22:09 AM
the brick foundation pieces, used Monster Modelworks product.....

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on September 26, 2015, 04:23:19 PM
I don't know how this structure is actually put together so I'm doing it as I see fit.  I added an upper base for the upper level to sit on. This I feel will give the structure some strength. Once this is all glued down I will work on the rather complicated roof.  This is what I got so far.....

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 01, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
Roofs are added now- I changed the pitch of the lower front to something that I think looked better to me. I also am going to run the roofing horizontal rather than vertical.  Started the 4 dormers. After the roofs are done I am going to place the structure onto the brick foundation that I made then mount the building onto plywood to start the "planting" process.
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: BandOGuy on October 01, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
I hand't thought of using this term since Navy flight training, but, "Outstanding!"
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 01, 2015, 05:48:15 PM
Thanks! Cutting out the roof pieces was the trickiest part! I made a promise to myself that this would be the ladt scratchbuild for a while as I have 2 shelves of kits waiting to be built!  I will say, I encourage everyone to try some scratchbuilding- it will improve your modeling skills geatly. I really only have 1 photo to go by with this project, and even though its not an exact match, I think It looks pretty close to George's original. This would have made a great kit!

Bob C.
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: ACL1504 on October 01, 2015, 07:30:24 PM
Bob,

Wonderful scratch build. Beautiful job all the way, yes, this would have and still can be a wonderful kit. George are you listening?

Tom ;D
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: S&S RR on October 02, 2015, 11:35:51 AM
Great looking build - I wonder how many great kits there are on the F&SM? Will there be a JS-19?
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: madharry on October 02, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Well done Bob!

A very nice build.

Mike 8)
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 02, 2015, 05:32:49 PM
Thanks Mike! I'm working on the 4 dormers....they're a bit small so naturally more time-consuming!
bob c.
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 04, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
I've got 2 dormers built....these little buggers are a bit time consuming- 2 more to go. the angle for the 2 front ones is different than the angle for the side ones. I usually use pastel/weathering chalks for the roof but will do that at the very end so as not to mess it up with fingerprints.  I stepped away from the dormer building to work on Walther's large hotel kit.

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: deemery on October 04, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
I 'feel your pain' on dormers, the Cigar Factory project had 21 of those buggers!  I had the front gable and roof segments laser-cut once I got the pattern worked out correctly.


dave
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 04, 2015, 06:06:35 PM
wow, Yeah, if I had 21 to do.....oh boy.  The laser cutting was a good call for that project!  I do all my scratchbuilding with xacto blades (#11, chisel), HO scale ruler (I think, measure all in HO scale feet), little square sold by MicroMark (is low relief to sit onto scribed siding), Chop- it tool.  I like the cardboard that with shirts- it usually has a paper backing and is about a scale 3 inches in thickness. Its good for roofs and I can cover the edges with scale 1 x 3 strip wood. The windows here are all Gallery Glass (I hate cutting clear acetate), but I will use acetate for large size window openings, doors, store-fronts.
    Its fun to look at a photo and then reverse engineer the thing in order to model it.  My hats off to George Sellios for such a great design here.  I believe that if this thing had been a kit, it would have been a sell-out. The structure sits really high when it is set on the foundation.  I'm looking forward to getting this mounted and then work on the little side building and loading dock!

Bob C.
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 16, 2015, 12:26:48 PM
used this tool to get the roof angle for the side dormers...

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: ACL1504 on October 17, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
Bob,

The Bates project is looking fantastic. The dormers really change the entire look of the structure.  Very well done bob.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: postalkarl on October 20, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
Hi Bob:

glad to see you building this structure. It was always one of my favorites on the F&SM. It looks great so far.

karl
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: martin.ojaste on October 20, 2015, 08:47:22 AM
Bob, its like a treasure hunt find all the little details and re-building from them. Good job!
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on October 23, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
After about a hundred rafter tails.... I'm ready to start some roof details and then start putting this thing together..... I'm going to put a wider loading dock on so that I can fit the little brick "shed" between the building and the track.



Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: donatode on October 23, 2015, 10:45:39 AM
That is one OUTSTANDING!!! build....thanks for sharing with us.
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: postalkarl on November 03, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
Hi RP:

Looks like it coming together. Keep the pics flowing. It coming out great so far.

Karl
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on November 05, 2015, 10:51:35 AM
Thank you so much Karl- it means a lot to me your positive feedback.  This build has had its share of difficulties, mostly regarding the roof. Anyway, here is where I am now-  I had changed the pitch of the lower roof because I thought it looked better to me this way. In doing this, it created a larger wall area above, which kinda begged for a sign- so I made one.  I came up with an idea of what this business actually was.....
     I have been nibbling away at this little by little. I put together the little side building using wall material that was a freebie from Mount Alpert at the show in Scranton. Next step is the loading dock and then I can start to mount everything on the board and start the scenery process.  The back of the structure needs to be backed by a piece of black cardboard....
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on November 05, 2015, 10:54:51 AM
different angles:

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: deemery on November 05, 2015, 11:26:55 AM
Nice coloring!  Add some mud/dust splashes at the very bottom of the structure.


dave
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on November 05, 2015, 04:15:58 PM
Thanks! yes, one of my favorite parts of a build is the scenery/planting of the structure on the layout/base.  I hate when I see a model with space between the ground and the structure! You are right about the lower portions of buildings- they are usually pretty dirty when compared to the upper areas. I wait until the structure is mounted before I start hitting it with powders, ect.
    I'm pretty happy with the way its turning out- especially since I only had 1 photo to go by! This thing would make a hell of a kit!

Bob C.
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on November 06, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
in case anyone is interested.....this is the inside....
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: cuse on November 06, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
Love it. Nice job!




John
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on November 20, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
Still nibbling away at this, just starting to "plant" the structure with scenery, ect.

Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: postalkarl on November 20, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
Hi RP:

Very nicely done. You can be proud of that model. It's one of my favorites from the F&SM.

Karl
Title: Re: The Granby Bates Project
Post by: rpdylan on November 20, 2015, 04:14:26 PM
Thanks Karl! I'm happy with the way it came out- especially since I was "winging" it as I went along! I think its gonna look nice in the background of the layout. I need to stop scratchbuilding for a bit as I have so many kits on the shelf!