George's inspiration for the name of this building came from an old Frank Ellison book who made one for his Delta Lines RR. See the first photo.
The second photo was taken with my phone from page 70 of the FSM Thread. This black and white reference photo will help lay the windows out.
Will start cutting the wall out this week.
Tom
Tom,
I look forward to your build. Neat story as well.
Tom ;D
Sweet! Will follow along! It looks like the wall on the left is angled out...not at a 45 degree angle....is that correct?
Tom
I will also be following along. Great project!
Count me in as one of the sheep (following along, get it?) .... by the way, is Antiseanna Pants Company anything like the Susquehanna Hat Company????
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I'm always in for a great scratch build
Tom, Ryan, John, Donato & Andy, Thanks for following along on this one. :)
Tommy
Will start with a piece of 6" tall Northeastern aged 1/16 " clapboard siding , then draw lines on the back of the front wall piece to add a pencil grid. This will help space out the planned window openings. The added pencil grid matches the cutting matte squares. The total size of the front wall section for this build will be 6 " tall by 8 1/2 " long.
Tommy
The third floor windows are done. Will show you how they are opened up this week.....
Tommy
Tom, you should make Tichy very happy with all those windows.
Quote from: ak-milw on April 26, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
Tom, you should make Tichy very happy with all those windows.
Don Tichy probably made a boat payment with my project :-) :-) Glazing that many windows is a pain!
dave
Quote from: ak-milw on April 26, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
Tom, you should make Tichy very happy with all those windows.
Andy,
Wondering where all the retirement $ was being spent on. Too bad the gravel delivery costs were too high, you could have purchased some needed supplies. Spouse wants to replacement a few windows here, advised have plenty of them available....
Tommy
Quote from: deemery on April 26, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: ak-milw on April 26, 2016, 08:12:15 PM
Tom, you should make Tichy very happy with all those windows.
Don Tichy probably made a boat payment with my project :-) :-) Glazing that many windows is a pain!
dave
Dave,
I remember your build, did post on that thread, those New England structures have a lot of character ! Well done....
If Tichy goes public, hold off on the all window and other item purchases until after the IPO, so the stock will climb higher....
Tommy
Ready to lay out the windows on the first and second floors. Let's start on the left side of the wall and will work across it. This first opening on each floor will set the height of the rows to be cut out. That is how the 3rd floor was done. George used his metal enginehouse windows on his build, so will use something similar sold by Tichy.
Using a new sharp X-acto # 11 blade.....here's a quick view of the openings that were cut out for the 3rd floor windows. The 2 end windows are cut out first, then a pencil line is drawn on the back of the wall to show the top and bottom of the window openings. All cuts are first from the back of the wall, then the openings are trimmed from the front with a steel ruler for a tight fight. Yes, a sharp drill helps remove much of the wood material from each cut.
Tommy
Just curious , why do you drill the holes? I just cut out the lines and the windows fall out , again just curious.
Quote from: Janbouli on April 27, 2016, 04:04:15 AM
Just curious , why do you drill the holes? I just cut out the lines and the windows fall out , again just curious.
Same here, I do put masking tape on the backside of the cut to help stop the wood from splitting
Quote from: ak-milw on April 27, 2016, 07:14:36 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on April 27, 2016, 04:04:15 AM
Just curious , why do you drill the holes? I just cut out the lines and the windows fall out , again just curious.
Same here, I do put masking tape on the backside of the cut to help stop the wood from splitting
Andy & Janbouli...You both read my mind...the first piece I had split right in half when cutting started, the aged clapboard was purchased a long time ago and has been in storage for way too long...so the drill was used to relieve some stress in the piece and the second try piece did not fracture in half...
Tommy
Taping the back of the wood to prevent splitting is a good trick. I remember learning it years and years ago from my first Campbell kit (which still has a place of honor on my layout, although it needs to be refurbished after a bunch of moves and a bucket of water dumped on it :-) )
I found some of the NESL milled wood car parts for my scratchbuilt boxcars. One had a price on it, $.39 (from 1981), that same part is now over $7!
dave
Quote from: deemery on April 27, 2016, 10:46:16 AM
Taping the back of the wood to prevent splitting is a good trick. I remember learning it years and years ago from my first Campbell kit (which still has a place of honor on my layout, although it needs to be refurbished after a bunch of moves and a bucket of water dumped on it :-) )
I found some of the NESL milled wood car parts for my scratchbuilt boxcars. One had a price on it, $.39 (from 1981), that same part is now over $7!
dave
Dave,
The wood that was used was dried up from being stored in a Texas garage....pulling off the tape....even very slow....the wood split.....so I went with the drill bit thing, and opened up everything....and that worked on my second try...
Tommy
Tommy, great tip. My wood hasn't been in Texas, but it's old enough to be substantially dried out.
dave
Thanks Tom , something to remember when I try cutting older dry wood.
Hi jan:
Will also be following along.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on April 27, 2016, 08:57:40 PM
Hi jam:
Will also be following along.
Karl
Karl,
Thanks for boarding the train !
Tom
Let's layout the openings for the larger windows ... making 3 holes for each future window location with a sharp drill...do not press hard...just a few seconds for each hole...this removes almost half of the wood for each opening. The piece of wood behind the wall prevents me from drilling into the old dining room table in the basement and getting yelled at.... ::)
Tommy
Hi Tom:
Looks like your are well underway with the windows.
Karl
Looking good! So Tom, is the left side of the building angled out more than 90 degrees?- looks like it in the photo....
Bob C.
Tom,
You're doing a great job on the windows. I'm looking forward to more progress.
Tom ;D
Quote from: rpdylan on April 28, 2016, 09:44:58 AM
Looking good! So Tom, is the left side of the building angled out more than 90 degrees?- looks like it in the photo....
Bob C.
Bob,
The left wall is angled but not sure of the degree. Here is the best photo I have of the side in question. You can see it is definitely at an angle.
Hope this helps.
Tom ;D
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Bob
I will take a look this evening and see if I have a photograph from above. Send me a PM with your email address and I will send what pictures I have.
Quote from: rpdylan on April 28, 2016, 09:44:58 AM
Looking good! So Tom, is the left side of the building angled out more than 90 degrees?- looks like it in the photo....
Bob C.
Yes, I noticed the angled wall...because I drink Pepsi...and like that Pepsi sign very much...would like to find it...got to be out there someplace...
Tommy
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 28, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
Quote from: rpdylan on April 28, 2016, 09:44:58 AM
Looking good! So Tom, is the left side of the building angled out more than 90 degrees?- looks like it in the photo....
Bob C.
Bob,
The left wall is angled but not sure of the degree. Here is the best photo I have of the side in question. You can see it is definitely at an angle.
Hope this helps.
Tom ;D
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Tom,
Thanks for adding that side photo to the thread....I drink Pepsi too...so now I have to search the net for that signage...like how George ads the billboards or signs to most of his builds as they add so much to the structures he creates...have to see what kit provide that door too...and learn how to make them next month...along with the stonework foundation...
Let's mark the location for the final four smaller eight pane windows and open them up with the drill too ....
Tommy
Tom, I'm enjoying your thread and the comments. Until you scratchbuild one like this you don't appreciate the die-cut window openings that a lot of kits have. A couple of years ago I bought a tool from Micro-Mark I really love- it is a corner-cutter that they sell in two sizes that is really sharp, and has stayed sharp for over 100 window and door openings. You place it and just give it a good tap for all four corners, and then finish the four sides with your X-acto.
I use it on Strathmore (1/16") a lot, and then cover with individual boards before popping in the windows and doors. I have also done some 1/16" and also 3/32" scribed siding and clapboard siding in basswood without taping, although that is also a good idea. My friend Jack across the street and I went together on this and we both use it often. Easily in my top 10 favorite hobby tools.
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Quote from: Mike Engler on April 28, 2016, 09:49:07 PM
Tom, I'm enjoying your thread and the comments. Until you scratchbuild one like this you don't appreciate the die-cut window openings that a lot of kits have. A couple of years ago I bought a tool from Micro-Mark I really love- it is a corner-cutter that they sell in two sizes that is really sharp, and has stayed sharp for over 100 window and door openings. You place it and just give it a good tap for all four corners, and then finish the four sides with your X-acto.
I use it on Strathmore (1/16") a lot, and then cover with individual boards before popping in the windows and doors. I have also done some 1/16" and also 3/32" scribed siding and clapboard siding in basswood without taping, although that is also a good idea. My friend Jack across the street and I went together on this and we both use it often. Easily in my top 10 favorite hobby tools.
Mike,
Thanks for the tool tip ! 8) Need to get one of those larger tools. 8)
Don't know why this isn't used more... but have something similar here that was picked up in Chicago over 20 years ago, and I should use it more often.. ::) ...check these 2 pics of it, a square punch set, 5 sizes, great for the smaller window openings .... Today is a great example of Minnesota weather , cloudy, damp, rain, cool, etc. and my arthritis in my hand flares up...the less I use an X-acto tool in my hand....the better. Purchased this after visiting the shop of an excellent modeler in the Windy City...
You did make me look for this item tonight ! ;) Might have to give you an apple this fall... ;)
Tommy
Quote from: postalkarl on April 28, 2016, 07:42:23 AM
Hi Tom:
Looks like your are well underway with the windows.
Karl
Karl,
Here's the window update....start to clean up all the rough openings, do some test fitting of each window, and make a few adjustments with an emery board....and like the sign says.....
Tommy
Nice start, Tom. Glad to see you building something.
I would like to have the tool Mike has but so far I haven't found a wallet with enough money to pay for it. For the time being I am using X-Acto chisel blade for the window openings.
Vilius
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on April 28, 2016, 10:59:44 PM
Mike,
Thanks for the tool tip ! 8) Need to get one of those larger tools. 8)
Don't know why this isn't used more... but have something similar here that was picked up in Chicago over 20 years ago, and I should use it more often.. ::) ...check these 2 pics of it, a square punch set, 5 sizes, great for the smaller window openings .... Today is a great example of Minnesota weather , cloudy, damp, rain, cool, etc. and my arthritis in my hand flares up...the less I use an X-acto tool in my hand....the better. Purchased this after visiting the shop of an excellent modeler in the Windy City...
You did make me look for this item tonight ! ;) Might have to give you an apple this fall... ;)
Tommy
You can search Amazon for 'mortise chisel' and 'corner chisel' and see similar tools. The MicroMark set is used in a mortising machine, which is similar to a drill press. A conventional drill bit passes through the center, which makes the mortise machine work a lot like the combination of Tommy's technique and Mike's technique. It drills a round hole to get most of the material out of the way, and then uses the square angled chisel to finish the job.
dave
Quote from: TheUkranian on April 29, 2016, 09:56:25 AM
Nice start, Tom. Glad to see you building something.
I would like to have the tool Mike has but so far I haven't found a wallet with enough money to pay for it. For the time being I am using X-Acto chisel blade for the window openings.
Vilius
Vilius,
THANKS for following along on this one and sending me that PM on building a little bit every night.... ;)
and to you to Dave on that mortise thing to try out, have a set of those here, but the drill press is tied up with my son's bowling ball drill jig.. :o
Here's where the wall is at....
Tommy
That's the wall shown above with all the front windows laid out....and in the second photo a cell phone shot from the Fillmore Yard video by Thomscustomtrains.com showing the right side of this structure in detail...the other 2 photos show another structure from page 35 of the FSM Thread, and a tounge and groove wall instead of the clapboard one George used with Tichy windows, this structure will also need a stone foundation. The door George used in his build is found in several of his kits, like the # 135 engine house. Need to review the thread on signs since no software is on the computer here to make any. :)
Tommy
Tommy,
The wall and all the windows look great. Those will be two fantastic structures. Can't wait to see more.
Tom ;D
Looking good Tom.
It's good to see the thread being used for some great modeling work.
A lot of windows and a lot of work, nice job
Hi Tom:
Lookg good so far.
Karl
Time for a short update on this project and others now that summer is here, other things do get in the way, like that trip to Chicago last month, and the list from the spouse that need attention to at this warmer time of the year ... so here's a look at the wall with an FSM door casting that would match and several stone castings from another FSM kit to see how it would look. Will purchase some casting making supplies and give it try this month. ;)
More to follow.....like this other wall that needs a stone foundation too.....
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on June 02, 2016, 02:43:43 AM
Time for a short update on this project and others now that summer is here, other things do get in the way, like that trip to Chicago last month, and the list from the spouse that need attention to at this warmer time of the year ... so here's a look at the wall with an FSM door casting that would match and several stone castings from another FSM kit to see how it would look. Will purchase some casting making supplies and give it try this month. ;)
More to follow.....like this other wall that needs a stone foundation too.....
Tommy
You are going to find those casting supplies very useful. This project is really coming along.
John,
Will contact you for some on the job training when the casting supplies arrive....have checked your S&S thread out for the parts you made.
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on June 02, 2016, 12:33:34 PM
John,
Will contact you for some on the job training when the casting supplies arrive....have checked your S&S thread out for the parts you made.
Tommy
Tommy
No problem - I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
It's a hobby and it's summertime... :)...so here's a short update on the front signage. Check the sign to the left of the wall...it was one of the early attempts to draw it this month. Was determined that graphic designer was not in my skill set... ;D...May make it just a size smaller or keep it like this. RTV mold making 101 and part castings in progress ! ;)
Sign looks good Tom.
Are you finished yet?
;D
Jaime
Hi Tom:
Sign looks great. Can't wait to see what you do with paints and stains on this one.
Karl
Here is a quick update on this project, early this month we made our first attempt to make some FSM foundation sections for this build. We used this casting product in the picture to make the molds. Price was great, under 10 dollars ... Also ordered a mold release spray that can be used with any RTV products. Well the powered product that was mixed with water, took the impressions of the FSM stone foundation parts well, but as this material started to dry up in this plastic bowl, over 2 weeks time, shrinkage was one inch in diameter of the plastic bowl and 1/2 inch down from where it was made !!! :o ...Parts of the stone impressions to be made in the mold were more like Z gauge than HO with all the shrinkage that this product produced....on to another RTV mold making product. ;) Can't learn unless you try... ;D
Tommy
Hi Tom:
Nice. Can't wait to see how the foundation come out on the build.
Karl
Karl,
The first set of castings did not turn out well. Just purchased a different mold making kit product from Blick Art Supply which has a DVD included. Not sure if the mold was too damp or the resin used was near end of shelf life, etc. Will post a photo of the RTV kit that was ordered soon and hope that the next set of foundation castings come out better than the first attempt did... ;)
Tommy
I have heard that Micro Mark's 10 x 1 mold making stuff is really good. Its also the stuff that I saw demonstrated at the Expo in PA. Looks to be around the same price as the Dick Blik stuff but its got a known track record. I have yet to try it but plan on learning to cast things this winter with it.
Quote from: rpdylan on August 01, 2016, 06:19:01 PM
I have heard that Micro Mark's 10 x 1 mold making stuff is really good. Its also the stuff that I saw demonstrated at the Expo in PA. Looks to be around the same price as the Dick Blik stuff but its got a known track record. I have yet to try it but plan on learning to cast things this winter with it.
Bob, Yes... heard that the Micro Mart items for making castings are really good products. Being retired on a limited income , decided to purchase some different products that were not as expensive. If they don't work out like the first one did not, then will pick up the Micro Mart kit, but it was fun trying to do it... ;D... This new kit just showed up on Saturday, still have to open it, was on sale for 1/3 the cost of the good stuff, so will try this one out next. Thanks for stopping by, will watch your FSM build too ! ;)
Tommy
This project has been on the shelf, so here is the holiday update. Front wall was stained with Floquil Driftwood...always pays to clean out boxes in storage...will follow that with nail holes and A/I wash . Found some wood to brace the back of the front wall and then will finish sealing it with craft paint.
Tommy
Tom,
Glad to see you are back on the job. Looking forward to the build.
Tom ;D
I was wondering if you were going to finish this one, you have been playing with the candy to much.
Tom, I thought you had lost your "pants". ;)
Marty
Thanks Tom, Andy & Marty for getting back on the train...Marty don't forget that anyone 68 years old can lose something ! Back to this build....
Bracing for wall is 3/16 square wood cut with a Harbor Freight chopper....Karl O. mentioned this tool in his builds many years ago....glued the bracing on the back on the main wall....and weighted down with some Menards patio bricks to keep it flat....after it was dry....some low cost craft paint sealed the back side....
Tommy
Once that was completed, added the nail holes to the front wall using a old Vintage Reproductions pounce wheel, and followed up with a medium wash of A/I. Test fitted the Tichy windows again and will paint them soon, choice of color pending, then add the 1/16 square end pieces, maybe dry brush the wall and think about lifting some clapboards....back to the candy kitchen again.... ;D
Tommy
Tom,
Your build is looking good. Love all the windows.
Tom ;D
HI Tom:
The wall looks great. I'll be following along. Where did you get your foundation castings?
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on December 12, 2016, 07:43:39 AM
HI Tom:
The wall looks great. I'll be following along. Where did you get your foundation castings?
Karl
Karl,
Original plan was to make copies of the FSM Barnstead Lumber # 195 foundation pieces, had a extra kit...but that may change as the FSM Jeffries Point # 285 box of castings was just located and those are taller stone foundation sections...see photo...will make both and see which looks better...but always accepting free castings donations for Christmas... ;D
Tommy
Lookin' good Tom, and stay away from that candy!!
Hi Tommy:
I like the bigger ones. I think they will look much better.
Karl
Karl
Thanks Andy & Karl for checking in on the build. Karl, after looking at the wall with both size stone foundations for a while, the larger stone foundation is what we will go with. The Tichy windows were painted in Folk Art Plaid Sterling Blue # 441 craft paint, and were cemented into the main wall with canopy glue. Here's a few shots of the progress...with the last photo showing a FSM # 145 coal tower in front of the build...
Tommy
It's great to see all that building activity on your workbench.
Quote from: S&S RR on January 28, 2017, 07:45:40 AM
It's great to see all that building activity on your workbench.
John,
Thanks for the comment ! Some modelers like to work on one structure from start to finish. Did build that way long ago. Now we have a different project on the bench everyday. Find it's neat and rewarding to see a dozen models all coming together at once. 8)
Tommy
Looking good Tom.... :) 8)
Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Bob, Thanks for checking in on the build...Happy Birthday to you and your spouse today. If we still lived near Eldorado Pwky & Ridge in McKinney, would have stopped over for some cake.. ;D
This build thread was put on hold earlier this year when my vision started to have issues.
One eye started to see flashes of white light, then black dark spots, excessive floaters in my field of vision, etc. and things were getting blurry and out of focus at the bench...
Had it checked out, found out it's age related and took time away from the hobby.
So now have added a second work light for more brightness downstairs ... some modelers don't ware their glasses for close work like me...yes we take them off...
So it's fall again and will see if things are better now... and hope for 6 more months of building ... ;)
Here's the front wall and small windows that got glazed last month...
Tommy
Tommy
It's great to see you back at the workbench!
Tommy.
Good to se you back at the bench.
I take off my Glasses when I do modeling also.
Jim