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Title: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 16, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
A while back I was very pressed for space and decided to play around with HOn30.  I've always been a fan of Dave Frary's work and as a result, I decided to build a small layout in the vein of Thatcher's Inlet.  That layout passed with the old house but some of the projects remain.  With my newly found free time I decided to move one of them forward.  I call this Frary's Fish-head Fertilizer.

So here is the inspiration from Thatcher's Inlet

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116121745.jpeg)


I worked up a plan using windows i had on hand and by eyeballing the various building dimensions

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116121944.jpeg)

I scratch built the warehouse addition from milled siding.  The industry will be against the backdrop so the backs are not modeled.  Additionally, the industry will have cars spotted inside the large structure to the right.  The implication is that the cars move back into the building perpendicular to the front but the track actually sneaks inside the adjoining buildings.  Thus the odd openings on the back of the warehouse addition.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116122028.jpeg)

Here is the warehouse (left) and the office (front) positioned against the core brick structure (in primer gray). 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116122129.jpeg)

The goal is to create the look of structures that have been added on and cobbled together over time.  For this portion there is an older brick building with the warehouse addition to the left and a small office addition in front.  I envision a dim light in the upstairs window of the office addition with the company accountant up late at night doing the books.

More to come.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 16, 2016, 02:21:43 PM
This project was started a while back so I plan to post several updates to move things along.

I am also a big fan of Troels Kirk and his Coast Line RR which has been chronicled over on "the other board".  I'm sure many if not all of you have seen it.  If not, here's his public Facebook page for the railroad.  https://www.facebook.com/The-Coast-Line-RR-page-127409483958090/ (https://www.facebook.com/The-Coast-Line-RR-page-127409483958090/)

I had ordered his DVD and decided to use his painting techniques on this project.   Here was the first run at painting the warehouse and office.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116140351.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116140417.jpeg)

After getting some feedback I decided they were too brown and looked too much like log structures rather than siding.  So I went back with a more gray finish.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116140714.jpeg)

I like this much more.  The brick section is painted with my old standard Floquil paints.  The roofing is preassembled sheet, I believe is from Northeastern.  It looks nice from a distance but up close I find it to be too flat.  But I wanted to use this structure to try out different things so getting some texture on there was simply a challenge to overcome.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: deemery on November 16, 2016, 02:47:18 PM
Here's a song to go along with your build :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqVfriUd6s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqVfriUd6s)


dave
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 16, 2016, 02:49:36 PM
Moving on, the next thing needed was a loading dock for the warehouse on the left end.  I built this up from strip wood.  The finish is simply alcohol stain.  The little unpainted blocks were added later to raise the height.  They will be buried in the scenery.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116143520.jpeg)


I should have taken more pictures so some steps are missed (maybe that's a good thing).  Here the roof has been added to the warehouse.  The freight door is built up from the same strip wood as the dock.  On the right is the next brick section. Its a section of brick wall from the scrap box.  The warehouse doors are from a Tichy window and door assortment (as are most if not all of the windows. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116143650.jpeg)


Here the new brick section has been painted.  The flat roofs on the brick sections are sandpaper over a styrene subroof.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116143603.jpeg)

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 16, 2016, 02:51:40 PM
Dave,

That's the perfect song.  Haven't heard that in years.  =)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: S&S RR on November 16, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
Roger


Looking good so far!
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Polux on November 16, 2016, 03:15:48 PM
Wow! Really interesting build!
Looking very good so far ;)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Janbouli on November 16, 2016, 03:26:42 PM
I'll add an Ataboy, following along , great so far.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: jimmillho on November 16, 2016, 03:55:56 PM
Good looking start, keep on building.

Jim
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 16, 2016, 04:58:20 PM
Thanks again to everyone.

One more update for today I think. (this is all catch-up)

So the next structure is the big barn-like building.  This is the main processing building (queue the fish-heads song) and receives carloads from the docks.  It has a rail served inside siding on the lower floor and a processing floor on the 2nd floor.  So its rather large.  I didn't have milled siding large enough to make the sides in one piece so I decided to try out a different method.  The core of this building and the equipment shed on top of the brick building are made from card stock reinforced with strip stock.

I didn't get any pictures while I was making the walls but here is a shot with the "barn" and equipment shed temporarily fitted together.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162142.jpeg)


I wanted the equipment shed to look very rough so I used a wood stripper to cut strip wood from a sheet of balsa that's thickness gave the right width.  I intentionally did a poor job of stripping the wood so that the thickness would be uneven.  Then I used this to cover the shed.

Here is the stripper being used to make wider material, but you get the idea.  Handy tool this.  Balsa is cheep.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162158.jpeg)


And here is a closeup of the painted shed.  The uneven stripes give a very worn look to it.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162218.jpeg)


Here is the equipment shed placed on top of the brick buildings.   This shed will eventually be connected to the main processing "barn" by an enclosed conveyer.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162252.jpeg)


For the bar siding I decided to use a method I picked up from Troels Kirk.  I took light gray pastel paper and sponge painted it with FolkArt Vintage white.  I then cut this into strips to make siding boards.  I cut the board stock into lengths that were roughly 33 scale feet (I have it in my head that this was the common length of lumber before home centers took over).  I then applied 3M adhesive film to the walls and using guide lines and a burnishing tool applied boards as one would real siding.  I was careful to end boards where vertical framing would be located.  Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures during this but there is the result.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162402.jpeg)


Here is a closer shot after the building was assembled and corner boards were added.  The corner boards are from the same painted pastel paper.  I think this turned out really nicely.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162456.jpeg)


Here is the general layout of the structure.  This was taken before the corner boards were applied and before the shed was painted.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-161116162516.jpeg)


That's it for today I think.  More to come. 

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: ACL1504 on November 16, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
Roger,

I've been lurking on the build. The building look fantastic. The painted pastel paper boards look very natural. wonderful stuff here.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 17, 2016, 06:43:35 PM
Next up is a bit of foundation work. 

The large barn to the right is rail served by an internal track.  In theory the building is 3-4 times deeper than modeled so the track enters on the right and goes back.  In actuality it enters and turns left to run inside the adjoining structures.  I wanted to embed the track in the floor.  I had run across an embossing tool on Shapeways that lets you emboss paving stones into air-dry clay.  I decided to give it a try.  After adding some homosote to raise the track level I build up a frame, added the track and and filled it with the clay.  Leveling this was not an easy task.  Next I used the rollers to emboss the paving stone pattern between the rails and on the rest of the floor.  These are designed to make a road with the track running down the middle so there are overlap seams in the flooring but as its inside it doesn't really show.

Here is the initial result:

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180635.jpeg)


Next I went back over some of the areas that were a little sparse with a small flat blade screwdriver and then painted the floor with craft paint and then india ink to enhance the gaps.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180652.jpeg)


Here is a shot of the rollers that were used.  This is HOn30 so the track is a bit of Atlas N scale flex track. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180714.jpeg)

The rollers are offered in different scales and in both pavers and brick and can be found here:  http://www.shapeways.com/product/NCCCPBV72/set-row-paving-with-border-h0e?optionId=56707826 (http://www.shapeways.com/product/NCCCPBV72/set-row-paving-with-border-h0e?optionId=56707826)  I'm not associated with the shop owner.  The rollers worked very well but did take some getting used to to get the impressions just right.  I plan to go back at some point and get the HO standard gauge brick rollers for some street trackage if I ever get to the big layout. 


Here is an overview of the base for the complex.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180736.jpeg)


And here you can see how the track runs inside the other structures.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180810.jpeg)


With the building in place you can see how the track enters.  Also, I pulled the frame right after embossing the top surface and ran the embosser along the edges so that the exposed foundation would have a stone texture.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180832.jpeg)


And here is one with a scratch built HOn30 flatcar entering the building.   

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180852.jpeg)


While the foundation was drying I mounted all of the windows and built up the freight doors for the front wall.  The upper door is intended as an access point for equipment on the upper working floor.  This equipment was brought in via the track that will run in front of the building.  The bit sitting there is Peco HOn30 "crazy" track.  It will be pretty well buried in the dirt and weeds when done.  Here are a couple of overviews of the full complex to this point.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180930.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116180951.jpeg)


Here is an overhead view showing the second floor of the factory.  It is made from two pieces of heavy card stock with timbers underneath to keep it from bowing and to give the look of floor joists if you were to lean in and look up.  I don't think that will ever actually be visible.  I'm not sure this will ever have an interior as it meant to be against the backdrop but just incase that ends up being close enough to the front of the layout to view I added a rudimentary flooring texture by marking out boards in black pen and coloring the card stock with black and gray crayon.  (Crayons are just for adults at coffee shops you know.) 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116181012.jpeg)


Lastly for now is one of the freight doors.  It is built up from scale lumber strip wood.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171116181042.jpeg)


Next up will be the powerhouse to the right.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 18, 2016, 11:38:31 AM
I forgot to mention that when I finished the clay foundation for the factory barn I realized that the other structures needed to be raised up a bit.  Plus wood siding on grade is generally a bad idea.  So, I added some basic foundations to the other structures with strips of balsa and some adhesive backed brick paper.  I also had to raise the loading dock, thus the little bits of wood added under each post.  Those will get buried in the scenery.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-181116113409.jpeg)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: madharry on November 18, 2016, 11:59:14 AM
Thanks Roger I have just ordered a set of rollers for a proposed American tram layout I am going to build with my friend Dave.

Mike  ;)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 19, 2016, 10:51:42 PM
I think you'll like the results.  To help with leveling the clay I used an acrylic rolling rod from the craft store. It was sold with the clay working tools.  I had tried leveling the clay with a metal ruler but it just made a mess. 
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 19, 2016, 11:19:05 PM
The next structure needed is the powerhouse that sits at the right side of the complex.  I picked though my scrap box and various kits looking for something to use as the core to this structure.  Nothing I had on hand really worked.  Given the current budget (layoffs kill that) I wanted to work with materials on hand so I decided to use some brick paper that was different from what I had used for the foundations.  I built a simple box from cardstock and reinforced it with strip wood.  I then wrapped it in the brick paper.  For the front section I build another box, covered it and attached to the first box.  I also built up a cornice for the upper edge, wrapped it and overlaid it to the main box.  The result came out fairly nice.  I used balsa for the subroof. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224225.jpeg)


Here's the view from the back.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224312.jpeg)

I wanted twin stacks to indicate a pair of boilers.  Going back to the scrap box I found a couple of pieces of brass tubing that fit the bill without trimming.  I build a simple bracing structure with strip wood.  I then used thin strips of the same pastel paper I'd used to make siding to make straps to hold the tubing.  I embossed a few "rivets" and then glued them to the wood frame.  Once that had set I carefully wrapped the paper strips around the tubing and glued it to the back of the frame.  The tubing was free to move within the straps. Once the straps had dried I removed the tubing and glued strips of pastel paper around the bases to create a flange.  I then glued square pieces of balsa to each tube.   Then I reinserted the tubes into the bracing frame, squared everything up and mounted them on a sheet of thin balsa cut to fit into the lower brick box's roof. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224339.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224406.jpeg)


You might notice in the last picture above that the cornice didn't wrap around the left side of the power house.  This side buts up to the wooden barn building and I clearly wasn't thinking about how the two should interface.  I'll blame it on working too late at night.  ;)  So I went back and made an end cap for the left side and added it to the main structure.  I'll have to cover the obvious butt joint with a down spout or ivy or something.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224441.jpeg)


A bit of black paint later and the stacks look pretty good.  They will need some weathering later to reduce the freshly painted look.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224500.jpeg)


Here is the basic powerhouse added to the full factory.  I plan to add some more relief detail to the front of it. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-191116224534.jpeg)


That brings things up to date.  I have started working on the roof for the barn.  I want to make it removable so that I can go back and add lighting.  I'm not sure what to use for roofing.  I supposed rolled roofing would be appropriate for a structure like this set in the 1930s.

Cheers
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 25, 2016, 11:53:27 PM
I've managed to sneak some time here and there over the last few days with company around and work on the roof for the main factory building.  I cut 3 "trusses" to match the front and back building profile and subroof from card stock.  I used a bit of masking tape to hold the trusses in place and then glued the sub roof panels in place.  I did all of this in place to insure a proper fit.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-251116234127.jpeg)


The roof is removable.  Here is the view of the underside.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-251116234147.jpeg)



And here is the completed subroof in place.  It came out pretty nice.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-251116234236.jpeg)


Next up is the equipment room that sits on top of the barn roof.  I cut walls from card stock and reinforced with strip wood.


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-251116234305.jpeg)


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-251116234325.jpeg)


This will get the same paper siding as the main building.   That will be up next.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 26, 2016, 01:31:15 PM
Picking up from where we left off...  I needed to add siding to the equipment room.  I marked off guide lines horizontally to position the boards.  I also marked vertical lines 2 feet apart to indicate where vertical framing would run.  Then I covered the wall with 3M transfer tape.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116130955.jpeg)


I gathered a pile of "boards".  These are leftovers from the sponge painted pastel paper siding for the main barn structure.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131037.jpeg)


The guide lines show clearly though the transfer tape.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131014.jpeg)


I started by positioning the first board on the wall and then burnishing it down with a burnishing tool.  The tool mars the paint so I have to be careful not to burnish portions that will be visible.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131059.jpeg)


The siding boards are cut to 33' lengths.  I work with one board until it will not make a full course.  Once I have a partial board I position the end to align with one of the vertical "framing" marks. The boards on this wall overlap the ends to allow for the joint with the other walls.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131123.jpeg)

I continue this pattern up the wall allowing the joints to fall where they may based on the board lengths.  If the pattern gets a little too regular I will cheat in a longer or shorter board to break it up.   Also, as the strips are cut by hand they are not all exactly the same width. This plus variations in laying them down gives the wall a more uneven look.  I was less careful on the equipment than on than the main barn to give it a more rough look.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131141.jpeg)


Here is the finished left wall.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131159.jpeg)

And here are all of the finished walls.  The back wall was left blank.  The front wall has one window.  I boarded over the window then used a flat chisel blade to cut the opening out from the back.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131219.jpeg)


Here is the equipment shed punched atop the main barn roof.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131240.jpeg)


The last step was to add corner boards to the walls.  I used the same siding strips.  The were folded in half lengthwise and glued on the corners with canopy glue.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116131307.jpeg)


Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Janbouli on November 26, 2016, 03:56:46 PM
Great job Roger looking fine, and I love the idea with the weights.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 26, 2016, 05:48:17 PM
Thanks.  Those fishing weights are very handy.  I have a supply of 2 and 3 ounce weights.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on November 26, 2016, 06:40:32 PM
Next up is the conveyer between the two rooftop equipment sheds.  First I added a simple card stock subroof to the lower shed that sits on the brick section.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116182036.jpeg)


Next i played around with sizes a bit and decided on just over 4 scale feet for the hight of the conveyor.  It actually measures 15mm for ease of marking.  I cut a cardboard strip to that width and clamped it in place on the back of the upper shed.  Once it was positioned to my liking I marked both ends against the roof of the lower shed and wall of the upper shed.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116182053.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116182110.jpeg)


I used that as a template to cut out two sides (front and back) for the conveyer.  I decided to make the profile square so I cut a top and bottom 15mm minus the thickness of the two sides.  In order to keep things square I cut 3 pieces of thick balsa to fit inside the conveyer.  I then attached the balsa guides to one side at each end and in the middle and then applied the other sides.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116182127.jpeg)

The black marking ensured that I kept the balsa guides in the same orientation.


Here is the marking template, a balsa guide and the finished conveyer.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116182146.jpeg)


And here is the conveyer set in place between the two equipment sheds.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-261116182213.jpeg)


Next up will be the roof for the upper equipment shed and deciding on how to cover the conveyer.  I'm considering the same planking as on the barn and upper shed with rolled roofing on top.

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: S&S RR on November 27, 2016, 08:05:28 AM
I just caught up with your build - looks great. I'm enjoying the thread.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: ACL1504 on November 27, 2016, 09:02:38 AM
I'm really enjoying following along on this thread.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on December 02, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
I decided to cover the conveyor in rough plank like the lower equipment shed so that it would have a more "rustic" look.  This uses a sheet of balsa and a wood stripper to make planks.  Because I can't pull them though perfectly they have varying thickness which is what gives it the rough look.  Since we all love pictures I'll let them do the rest of the talking.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092340-184641212.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092341-18465482.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092341-18466869.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092341-18467604.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092341-18468153.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092516-18469753.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092516-184701222.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092516-18471261.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092516-1847245.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092516-184731473.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-021216092558.jpeg)

Next step is to use an ink wash to gray the boards before dry brushing with whitewash.  I've learned to allow the canopy glue a couple of days to fully cure before hitting it with the wash. 
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on December 03, 2016, 10:35:37 PM
Today's easy project, a coat of ink wash, some drying time, and then a dry brushing with acrylic "white wash".  A bit of rolled roofing on the top and the conveyer will be finished.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-031216223218.jpeg)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: ger deguelle on December 04, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Great work
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: postalkarl on December 08, 2016, 07:54:51 AM
Hi Random:

That's A very cool building and it's coming along well. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Karl
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on December 08, 2016, 09:14:55 AM
Thanks guys.

I've made a bit more progress on it.  The next major bit is the roof for the upper equipment shed.  This is to be a simple hip roof.  A few measurements, some Trigonometry, Geometry and a calculator later and I made a template.  And kids think they will never use this stuff.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090109-18509798.jpeg)


I cut the pattern out in heavy card stock (Chip board they seem to call it now.)  I then taped it to shape and fitted on the shed. It came out pretty good so I flipped it and liberally applied canopy glue to the seams.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090109-186011090.jpeg)


Once that had dried I flipped it over and applied more canopy glue to the seams from the top.  This time I scraped the glue down into the seams so that I wasn't left with big lumpy ridges.  This will be a rolled roofing roof.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090109-186022098.jpeg)


And here it is perched atop the shed.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090109-186031753.jpeg)


And now a couple of gratuitous beauty shots.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090109-18604822.jpeg)


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090156-18605495.jpeg)


And an arial view from Thatcher's own hot air balloon

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-081216090156-186061609.jpeg)


Next up I need to locate my supplies for making the rolled roofing.  Much of my modeling supplies are still jumbled into plastic bins since the storm.  It's getting close to done but there are still many details to add.  Augments to the front of the powerhouse (right) and several porch roofs are the most obvious.


Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Rail and Tie on December 08, 2016, 02:43:03 PM
Looking very nice.

Lots of visual interest going on in this. Dave would be proud.

BTW, where is Dave these days??
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on December 17, 2016, 05:12:38 PM
I'd love to know where Dave is these days.  I always love his stories.

I've managed to move this build forward but I did a lousy job of taking pictures.

I decided to go with rolled roofing for the remaining roofs.  I acquired some black tissue paper (which is harder to do than it should be this time of year) and cut it into scale 3' wide strips.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171216165551-18783222.jpeg)


I then marked guide lines 2.5' apart on the roof sections and applied the strips from the bottom up using regular Elmer's glue, applied with a small paint brush, to give more working time.  The extra water content wrinkled the paper more which added to the texture.  I allowed the paper to overhang the edges enough to fold down and cover the roof edge which is just bare card.  (This would be the bit I failed to photograph.  Sorry.)

Here is a shot with all of the rolled roofing applied.  I put on a light coat of gray weathering powder just so that the paper shows better.  Its not really finished.  I may go back and pull some edges and add some tears but this is modeled as a working facility not a derelict so there won't be too much.  (Roof leaks in Maine are bad for moral, even for guys who have to work with fish heads all day.)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171216165551-187841643.jpeg)


Oh, and because the main building is built to be opened up in the unlikely event I decide to put in an interior or the more likely event that I derail a car deep within the structure, the roof comes off.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-171216165551-187851957.jpeg)

I think the very best thing about using the tissue paper for the roofing is that its so thin that I can go back and add any other roof I like if I decide I don't care for of this result.  Wow, that's a lot of I's.  How about:  The best thing about using tissue paper for rolled roofing is that its so thin it can be easily covered with a different roofing material should this look not remain satisfactory.  Yup, that sounds better.   Maybe its time for a nap.

Cheers!

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Rail and Tie on December 17, 2016, 05:25:51 PM
Roger, I really like your idea of using tissue paper as it appears to be much more scale than thicker paper. The overlap looks pretty good. Do you find there is enough raised lap so that the detail stands out when highlighted? The pictures make it look pretty good!

BTW, can I assume you are an avid Trekker by your Icon?  Love it!
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: bparrish on December 17, 2016, 06:11:11 PM
Roger...

This is a really cool build.

There is so many roof lines.  Just a really interesting structure.

Thanx
Bob
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on December 18, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
Thanks Bob.  I stole the idea from the best.  :)


Darryl,

I used 3' wide strips with a 6" overlap.  It seemed to look right.  The raised lap is not real obvious when you first put it down.  I think this is due to using the unpainted black tissue.  I also noticed after I'd already done the upper shed roof and the conveyer that the paper has a flat and a shiny side.  For the lower shed and the main factory building roofs I was careful to have the flat side up.  Its a bit subtle so I don't think it did any harm on the others.  The lap doesn't really show up well until you add some weathering to highlight it.  I used some light gray brandon power quickly just for the photos.  It's going to need some more attention to finalize.

Here's a close up of part of the roof.  I painted on Elmer's glue with a bush one row at a time.  The glue was a little separated from sitting in storage for a while so it ended up a being thinned a little.  I think I'll thin it on purpose from now on.  The extra wetness of the Elmer's caused some wrinkling which I think looks good.  There is even a little bit of bubbling from the eve edge at the lower left that looks like the wind has gotten under the paper.  The thinness also lets the overhang droop more easily.


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-181216104124-188001482.jpeg)


When I roofed the conveyer I left an overhang at the bottom so that when I attached the conveyer to the lower shed roof it created an overlap onto the other roof.  I still need to add some flashing on the sides of this joint.  You can see how the weathering powder really brings out the texture of the overlap in this closeup.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-181216104124-1880336.jpeg)


Yeah, the avatar is a giveaway.  I grew up watching Star Trek and building models of all kinds.

Cheers
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 07, 2017, 12:48:04 AM
Its been a while but I started working on some details over the last couple of days.  I've added stacks and vents to several buildings.  There is still more to do but its progress.

Here are a couple of views.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070117004025.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070117004048.jpeg)


Handling the removable roof has lead to more unsettling of the rolled roofing.  It will probably sit back down flatter but I might need to sneak a little glue under some spots.

I've also added framing around the car door on the main building.  The framing is the same paper siding "boards" folded in half with a metal bending break (because I had it) to give a sharp fold.  I need to find or figure out how to make some working hinges for those doors.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 07, 2017, 12:54:17 AM
One last bit for tonight.  I want the loading dock to the left to have a cover.  I was originally going to make this with a rectangle of card and some rolled roofing but the framing discussion over on my Hotel and Grill thread got me thinking it could look better.  So I raided the strip wood drawer and built a simple frame from scale 2x6s and planked it with 2x8s.  I'm planning to mount this on posts attacked to the dock to preserve the removability of the building sections.  I'm still going to cover it with rolled roofing but the spaced planking should add some interesting texture.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070117004114.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070117004133.jpeg)


Time for some sleep now.

Cheers
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 08, 2017, 12:43:35 AM
With the loading dock shed dry, I added posts so that it can be mounted to the dock.  Nothing fancy here, I just measured for the height I wanted, attached each post with a drop of canopy glue and then fixed it in place to dry between a couple of machine squares.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-080117003700.jpeg)

Once this is dry I'll add some angle bracing and give it some weathering to match the dock. 
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 09, 2017, 06:15:56 PM
This build is nearing the end I think.   Here is an overview with the new shed over the left loading dock and ladders added to the power house on the right. Also there are lighting rods, roof vents, and a new smoke stack. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117180522-19217849.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117180522-192191306.jpeg)


I think I've mentioned that the factory is in sections so that you can access the internal track.  In theory the track curves right and goes back into the long white barn building (into the backdrop) but it actually sneaks inside the other buildings along the face of the backdrop.  Here's the "exploded" view.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117180522-192201939.jpeg)


Remaining items:

Roofing paper on the loading dock roof.
Support wires on the new black stack on the left building.
Both wood extensions to the left building need T-stove pipe vents.
A small rain shed over the office entrance door.
A couple of small wooden sheds for in front of the power house boiler bump out.
A pulley lift above the white building's second floor equipment door.

I think that will finish the building and leave it ready for scenery.

Oh, and signs.  Of course it needs signs. 

Cheers


Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 09, 2017, 11:53:48 PM
I managed some more time in the shop this evening.  I decided to tackle the rain protection needs.


First up is the office door.  Dave Frary's original had a triangular roof section here. I decided to replicate it with a bit of scribed siding and a folded piece of card stock.  Pretty simple and canopy glue made fast work of putting it together. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117233909-192211222.jpeg)


I roofed this with a bit of the tissue paper that I used previously on the main building.  The overlap will show better once its had some weathering.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117233909-19223974.jpeg)


I glued this to the wall with some canopy glue to simulate the many hidden nails in the nonexistent framing.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117233909-192241133.jpeg)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117233909-192251677.jpeg)


For the door on the left end of the loading dock I made a simple shed roof.  This is a small rectangle of cardboard framed in some strip wood with strip wood angle bracing.  This was ready to handle in just a few minutes using canopy glue to assemble it.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117233909-19226993.jpeg)


And here is the overall view.   Tissue paper rolled roofing added to each door cover and the loading dock roof.  The texture of the gapped planking on the loading dock shows pretty well and will look better once its weathered.  I think i'll also tear some of the roofing on the dock to show off the planking.  A quick brushing of thinned india ink colored the wood work.  It will lighten once its dried overnight.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-090117233954.jpeg)


So here is the status on the final checklist:

Roofing paper on the loading dock roof.
Support wires on the new black stack on the left building.
Both wood extensions to the left building need T-stove pipe vents.
A small rain shed over the office entrance door.
A couple of small wooden sheds for in front of the power house boiler bump out.
A pulley lift above the white building's second floor equipment door.

Cheers

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Janbouli on January 10, 2017, 04:16:03 AM
Almost finished and your build is looking great, the different roof types and heights , so nice.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 11, 2017, 11:12:43 PM
Thanks.  This build has been great for trying out all types of techniques.


Onward and rightward....

Last night I decided to tackle the wood sheds that will sit in front of the brick powerhouse on the right.  I scanned the workbench and grabbed some scrap siding.

I used two different types of scribed siding so that the sheds appear to have been built at different times.  This is to continue the cobbled together look.

They are not built at full sheds but just enough is framed to give the desired look up against the brick building.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225218-1924850.jpeg)


This decision was mainly based on my desire to only use the scrap on hand and not cut into a new sheet of siding.  The door was built up from strip wood, glued to the front of the shed and then surrounded with a frame of strip wood.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225218-19269395.jpeg)


Here they are up against the powerhouse wall.  It looks like they saved wood by building the 2nd shed using the original shed's wall as part of its wall.  I bet there's a roof leak in there in heavy rain.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225218-192701324.jpeg)


A slightly different angle.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225218-192712062.jpeg)


The door on the second shed was built up the same way as the first.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225218-192722272.jpeg)


A bit of scrap balsa made the partial wall for the second shed.  The first is open.  As these butt against the brick wall there was no need to model the backs.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225331-19273725.jpeg)


Its a bit of stagecraft but I think they look pretty good.  The roofs were made from scrap card left over from a Campbell kit. 

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225332-192741548.jpeg)


A wash of medium india ink mix aged the sheds.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225332-192751222.jpeg)


Next a dry brushing with some white wash craft paint.  The right shed got a little more paint to make it look a touch newer.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225332-19276348.jpeg)


And here they are in the final position.  This reminds me, I also have to make the doors for the freight car entrance.


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225332-1927732.jpeg)


Both of these sheds were thrown together in about two hours.  The canopy glue set fast enough to pretty well work continuously.  Love that stuff.
Paint and rolled roofing took about half an hour tonight.  These were really fun to put together because I didn't do a lot of planning and just let the size of the scrap material dictate the build.


Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 11, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
Next I moved to the left end of the factory to do something about securing that new smoke stack before it blows over in the 35mph wind gusts we've been getting south of Houston the last couple of days.

I decided to make a "metal" band with 3 guy wires to support the stack.

I made the band from left over pastel paper from the barn siding.  The guy wires are some very fine styrene "wire" that I happened to find a pack of in my supply drawer.  Its tiny stuff but flexible and a little easier to work with than wire.  At least in this instance.

After sizing the band I spaced the 3 wires and attached them with canopy glue.  I let this dry over night and then painted it with some floquil aged silver.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225448-19278927.jpeg)


I let that all dry for a day and then got out another piece of tubing the same diameter as the stack.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225448-192792154.jpeg)


I wrapped the band around the tubing and glued it only to itself.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225448-192801748.jpeg)


Once the canopy glue had set I slid the band off the tubing and allowed it to dry for a bit.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225448-192811957.jpeg)


Then I slid the band onto the stack and positioned it so that the one guy wire fit nicely into the front corner of the roof.  I then positioned the other two wires.  Each wire is set in place with a small dab of canopy glue.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225448-192822459.jpeg)

Once all of that has dried I'll need to go back and add some rust to the band and wires.


Here's a shot of the left building.  You can see the stack with guy wires and also where I added some damage to the rolled roofing on the loading dock cover.


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-110117225511-19283707.jpeg)


Here's what's left

Roofing paper on the loading dock roof.
Support wires on the new black stack on the left building.
Both wood extensions to the left building need T-stove pipe vents.
A small rain shed over the office entrance door.
A couple of small wooden sheds for in front of the power house boiler bump out.
A pulley lift above the white building's second floor equipment door.
Signs
Freight car entrance doors.

I have a bully and support casting in the process of being painted.  I've been ponding hinges to make working doors for the freight door.  I think I'm going to call on my recent success on the doll house steamer trunk project to make those from thin brass sheet.  That should be interesting.


Cheers

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: cuse on January 12, 2017, 06:51:26 AM
Really nice work overall. I especially like the weathered shingles. Thumbs up!


John
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 13, 2017, 06:15:30 PM
Thanks John.  It could still use some more weathering in areas and of course some Pigeons and droppings.  But for now I think its pretty well done.

Here are some overall shots.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-130117181101-192841738.jpeg)


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-130117181102-193032233.jpeg)


It still needs signage and doors for the freight car entrance.   I'm going to give making my own hinges a whirl but if that doesn't work they may not be posable.  Other than that its pretty well done.  I intended it to fit into a layout so I can't really plant it until I know how the trackage is going to approach so that the switch can be positioned. 

113 pictures ending on Friday the 13th.   :)

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Mkrailway on January 17, 2017, 10:46:01 PM
Roger, this looks like one of those very useful building that could go anywhere on a layout or be a separate diorama. Worth every penny.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: postalkarl on January 18, 2017, 07:53:25 AM
Hi

Very nicely done. I love all the great roof line and angle the structure takes. Can't wait to see the signs. I'm a sign collector for my structures. I have quite the collection of stuff.

Karl
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: MASIGMON on January 18, 2017, 08:52:32 AM
Roger,
Very nice build.  I might say it looks better then when Dave Frary/ Bob Hayden built it many years ago!

Mike Sigmon
Jacksonville, FL
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 18, 2017, 10:09:19 AM
If I could get my job situation settled I would be able to make the layout/no layout decision.  I'm just not certain how the tracks will approach so I don't want to fix any scenery, even to a diorama. 

Karl - I've been toying with different ideas for signs.  I originally wanted to use a 3 dimensional fish that I found in a craft store.  I'm not sure it will work out thought.  Turns out its rather big.  We will see.

Mike,  Thank you.  That's high praise.  Dave is a modeling giant in my eyes whom I'm not certain I could ever touch.  But I've learned and continue to learn a lot from him via his books and videos.  He makes me wish I had taken more art and less math in school  :). 

Thanks to you all.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on January 31, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
I came up with an idea for a sign.  I decided to try out transferring the image to wood using gloss gel.  This method was in one of the magazines recently and its been mentioned here.  So here is the first test run.  This is on basswood, painted white so that the lettering would be white, and using plain printer paper.  It worked really well although it was VERY easy to damage the image as you remove the paper. 

The sign is 4 cm wide.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-310117120018.jpeg)


I've modified the image with larger lettering that is outlined in black in hopes that it stands out better.  I'm going to do two more tests this evening, one with plain paper and one on photo paper.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on February 01, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
These signs are really frustrating.   I made two more.  The top is plain paper and the bottom is photo paper.  Both are printed on an inkjet.

The plain paper sign was looking good until I gave it one more rub and the bottom of the sign came off.  The photo paper won't clear up any more. I'm pretty sure all of the backing paper is gone so the surface emulsion must have a white coloration to it.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-010217104922.jpeg)


I'm not sure of my next steps.  I wonder if some kind of fixative applied to the plain paper would make a difference.  I might also try pushing up the color saturation for the photo paper.  Or maybe I'll just use the first sign.

This technique seems to be better suited for making really old, well worn signs.

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: deemery on February 01, 2017, 11:25:24 AM
The top sign looks very well weathered.  What if you put some rus color ib the middle of the sanded-through patch?


dave
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Powersteamguy1790 on February 01, 2017, 02:46:32 PM
Very nicely done on that build Roger. :) 8)

Stay cool and run steam......... 8) 8)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on February 02, 2017, 01:22:08 PM
Thanks Bob.

Dave, that sign would be great if I wanted it really weathered.  However, I want the sign to look more appropriate for an open and working business with some pride of ownership.  After all, the owner paid someone to paint a fish, unless he was just an artist on his own (hint hint).   :)   Also, no sanding is involved in this method.  You roll the paper off with your damp fingers which is what got me.  I rolled a little too hard with everything a little too wet and pulled the entire surface off.  I'm going to hold on to the very weathered signs because who knows, the whole model could end up being an abandoned relic on a more modern layout.

But, the only way to more forward is to keep trying.  So I set up two more signs yesterday and let them dry over night.  They got close to 20 hours drying time and the A/C was on so this may have helped adhere the image into the gloss gel.  I also raised the color saturation all the way up before I printed the image because everything was coming out duller and with much less contract.  I also made the font bold so that the letters had more bulk.

So this morning I got out one of the signs and gave it another shot.  This time I used less water, just enough to make the image appear but not fully wet and saturated.  I worked more slowly and rolled large areas of paper off in one motion.  Once it looked good I stopped and let it dry for almost an hour.  At the end it was white again so repeated the process.  This time it looks really good.

Here is a picture of all 4 signs in order.  The one at the bottom is the new one.    I haven't worked on the second one yet. I might try filming a video with that one.

For scale, the grid on the cutting mat is 1".

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-020217131831.jpeg)

I'm much much happier with this result.

Cheers
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on February 02, 2017, 05:18:44 PM
I left the new sign to dry for a while, brushed the dried bits off the surface, and then sealed it with some super special PVA sealant (Elmer's glue) per the instructional video I found on youtube.  I'm very happy with the sign.


(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-020217171059.jpeg)


Now it needs a frame and supports.  I think I'll mount it over the loading dock on the left. 


Cheers

Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on February 07, 2017, 05:27:42 PM
Stick of wood, stick of wood, bit of glue and hey look, a sign is born.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070217172151-19777807.jpeg)


There's even a narrow footboard where the painter probably stood to paint it.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070217172152-198932255.jpeg)


It adds quite a pop of color to the scene.  That will probably need to be toned down a bit with some weathering chalks.   That or just soot from the little narrow gauge steamers.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070217172152-19894768.jpeg)


Either that or I'll need to lean a ladder up to it and add a painter finishing up his work.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-070217172152-198952227.jpeg)


Cheers
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: fsmcollector67 on March 23, 2017, 10:03:54 AM
Roger,
I did not realize that you had two builds going, the sign came out great using the transfer method. It takes a couple of tries to get what you want, but the end result, just cannot match gluing paper onto something.
Loren...
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on April 02, 2018, 06:15:21 PM
Its high time I made a door for the freight car entrance to the fish carcass handling building of the fertilizer factory.  I'm going to use some strip wood to build up the doors similarly to how I made the doors on the front of the building but I'm planning to devise a way to make them open and close.  I'm planning to have them slide in two parts left and right.

Here is a view of the opening to be covered.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-020418181040-308902371.jpeg)

Now if only I could remember how I colored the other doors...

Cheers.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Lynnb on April 02, 2018, 09:42:37 PM
I read all your post and learned a few things, very nice build.
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Random on April 04, 2018, 10:02:36 AM
To build the doors I painted some strip wood and then used the chopper to make planks.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-040418094323-309301764.jpeg)


I then set the planks into a square and used some masking tape to hold them together.  The mark indicates the split between the left and right door.  (The left door is smaller because there is less space on the wall for it to open across.)

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-040418094323-309431017.jpeg)


I then glued on horizontal planks to hold the doors together.   I left some room at the bottom so that I can roughen up the bottoms of the doors to show age.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-040418094323-30944748.jpeg)


I also added diagonal bracing but neglected to photograph.  Here are the doors under a heavy weight so that they dry flat.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-040418094323-309451146.jpeg)


And here are the finished doors.  The unpainted strip at the top is hopefully going to allow them to slide in a track.

(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/622-040418094357-30946929.jpeg)


Cheers
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: deemery on April 04, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
A relevant musical interlude:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn73Wtem0No (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn73Wtem0No)


dave     (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn73Wtem0No)
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: Lynnb on April 05, 2018, 02:09:45 PM
Nicely done Roger, are we going to see the doors slide? ;D
Title: Re: Working name - Frary's Fish Head Fertilizer
Post by: adm.nelson on April 14, 2018, 09:03:38 AM
Quote from: Random on January 11, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
Next I moved to the left end of the factory to do something about securing that new smoke stack before it blows over in the 35mph wind gusts we've been getting south of Houston the last couple of days.

I decided to make a "metal" band with 3 guy wires to support the stack.

I made the band from left over pastel paper from the barn siding.  The guy wires are some very fine styrene "wire" that I happened to find a pack of in my supply drawer.  Its tiny stuff but flexible and a little easier to work with than wire.  At least in this instance.

After sizing the band I spaced the 3 wires and attached them with canopy glue.  I let this dry over night and then painted it with some floquil aged silver.
Cheers

Roger, that is probably the best idea for doing guy wires I have ever seen. You have shown me something new that will definitely work for some of my applications. Thanks. Great build, by the way.