Is anyone building or built John H. Murray & Son Coal Dealership?
I have photos of the prototype starting here: http://davebert.photos/pany11/index4.html
dave
Here's one for your collection deemery it's late 1800's early 1900's.
I live 3 miles away from it so naturally when I saw the kit I got it and am going to start it this winter.
I have the kit and I plan to build it as a part of the first scenery/diorama on my layout.
Onewolf here is a picture from 1964. I know the local railroad historian and he is going to dig up some more pics for me (he has over half a million just from the Sayer area).
Quote from: Onewolf on August 18, 2017, 06:07:49 PM
I have the kit and I plan to build it as a part of the first scenery/diorama on my layout.
Doug,
You mean you haven't started the kit yet? Better yet, you haven't finished it? ;D ;D
Tom 8)
Well here we go! I have never done anything like this on a forum.
Here is John H Murray's coal tipple, LHS (Sayre Hobby is taking pictures as I build it) Murray's is a local landmark in the valley.
More pics! Here is one of how it looks now. I am going for a earlier look before the addition.
This is coming along nicely. I have seen the Laser3 display model, (as well as the prototype), and it is certainly an impressive structure.
nice....Nice....Nice!!
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And a few more. Waiting for barn red wash now! Instruction book has shoots, pulleys, chains and doors all 28 of them next in line. I don't know about you guys but I figure some of them would get wiped out in the fitting process of a 22" x 2 1/2" building deck and tracks on top of the bins. (Bull China-shop thing)
Coming along beautifully...
Wowza! Looking good!
Hi Bob:
Looks great so far.
Karl
Looks great Bob.
Progress has been slow! The walls are stained with Dr Ben's 2 pt's barn red 1 pt teak (the barn red was kinda pinkish without it) with a a/i wash. The inside walls are studded and stained oak and washed. The signage was stencil and airbrush. That was first time airbrushing I only had to repaint one.
really nice work! This thing is huge, its going to look impressive when complete!
Signs look great, as does the siding.
Jeff
It's starting to get big!! Next is 80 + trusses. The building lifts off to show interior details wall joist, trusses, bins, decking and rails, thank heavens if not it would be like building a ship in a bottle, a real deep bottle! This thing is 2 feet long. I have slate shingles ordered to me a corrugated roof just wouldn't look right.
The rest of the pictures.
Looks great Bob.
A couple more pictures of the building.
1. NY - PA state line marker this picture was taken where RT 17/I-86 is now. If you look hard you can see DL&W water tower at the front corner of Murray's.
2. Insurance Co. made them lock it up, when I was a kid they were never closed.
oops!!
Very nice work!
Looks great! That's going to be one very impressive structure when finished. It'll look wonderful on a layout. :D
Looking great Bob, keep building.
Bob, very well done indeed.
ed
Trusses trusses and more trusses 80+!!!!! They are fragile I broke and glued lots of them back together if you sand them towards the peak not the tail they break, bump them or just cutting them out they break. They do give you 2 extra covet them.
Next will be the roof I have 1/32 bass wood sheets for subroof (for strength) and slate shingles from SRMW Shingles 200 sq. inches 100 on top and 100 over the shoots. Slate was the original roof per John Baird great, great grandson of John H Murray. Any one with ideas on how to color them I would like to hear and see it. I like Deemery's idea of printing out guide sheets too.
When the pics were taken it was snowing and icy so they were taken in the back of the car my apologies.
Amazing modeling.
What a great build! That's a lot of rafters. Fantastic modeling.
Heck, that's a lot of everythng.
Tom ;D
You're really doing a great job on this build. Thanks for all of the progress photos.
BTB,
Man; what an interesting build pictorial. Really cool to see large builds like this. You are doin' a fine job Master Builder Bob. Thanx Thom...
Bob what a wonderful build....and time consuming thanks for the pictures.
Jan
tct855 I like it hope you don't mind me using it.
All I can say is WoW!!!
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I can't post the one I wanted to to big 2.38 MB so here is a Wheeler & Murray one.
Roofing is on and I smoked the rafters! I tried to make the shingles look like slate. I used my kids water color kit to color the shingles and washed them with zombie washes (from local card - game shop) names like zombie rot gray, zombie poop brown, gangrene green and some goofy named blue. Do they look like slate or zombie smear ???????????
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bob the builder,
What a cool & fun build this turned out to be. This is one ridiculously awesome and expertly built structure. Can't wait to see it in it's final home. Ha, love the name and logo. ;D ;D ;D Thanx Thom...
Rick,
Great job! IMO you really nailed the look of the slate shingles. I have seen the Laser 3 display model and understand how massive this structure really is and how much work goes into this build.
Try 'stippling' various colors of chalks/pigments over top of the shingles. That adds a bit of extra texture. Looks great, I wish I could fit that monster on my layout.
dave
Excellent.
Rick,
I have tried several times to reply to your PM and keep getting the message that your inbox is full.
Briefly, I live about 20 miles north of Binghamton and have been checking out the Sayre Hobby Shop Facebook page.
Jerry: I'm sure the Florida boys here would like to know if you have any kin who go by "Sonny?"
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Jerry: I'm sure the Florida boys here would like to know if you have any kin who go by "Sonny?"
Not that I am aware of, lol.
Looks like fish bones to me!
Fragile as fish bones if I didn't have it on foam I would have wiped the whole thing out more than once. This is 10 inches of the 40 inch walkways. I am not a bean counter until my wife asked " Just how many boards and nails are there in it?" Finished walkways 500 - 2x6x10 with 4000 nail heads!
Rick,
I sure hope you bought those nails a keg at a time and not by the pound!
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Rick,
I sure hope you bought those nails a keg at a time and not by the pound!
Train load!
Just found a wonderful tool a Marvy Uchida Double Ended Jewel Picker. The lady that owns local quilting shop (that is a car modeler) got these in and thought they might be of interest to me. The small end is fantastic for Grandt Line HO 5155 Rail Clips, Dummy the sprue is 1/2 inch long and there are 11 clips on it. That makes them about the size of a fat flea! There are about 400 of them connecting the rails of the coal trestle I beams. I ordered 500 figuring a ping factor (when they go PING out of the tweezers never to be seen again) of 100. I have installed 200 so far and lost a whopping 3 and that was cutting them from the sprue! Just thought it might help someone else out.
BTB,
Wow, what a cool tool! I never thought... Neat resource and Idea. I'm learnin' things here. Thanks Bob. Thanx Thom...
Quote from: bob the builder on February 26, 2018, 11:41:01 AM
Just found a wonderful tool a Marvy Uchida Double Ended Jewel Picker. The lady that owns local quilting shop (that is a car modeler) got these in and thought they might be of interest to me. The small end is fantastic for Grandt Line HO 5155 Rail Clips, Dummy the sprue is 1/2 inch long and there are 11 clips on it. That makes them about the size of a fat flea! There are about 400 of them connecting the rails of the coal trestle I beams. I ordered 500 figuring a ping factor (when they go PING out of the tweezers never to be seen again) of 100. I have installed 200 so far and lost a whopping 3 and that was cutting them from the sprue! Just thought it might help someone else out.
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The decking is done, 3 or 4 weeks it is a kit in itself. There are a few hundred individual boards about 400 fleas (rail clips) a few fishplates and thousands of nail detail! I only lost about 15 rail clips instead of a couple hundred I had figured. That Jewel Picker paid for itself!
THAT is impressive! WOW! :o
Beautiful modeling.
Amazing..... 8)
BTB,
I agree!, What Greg said works for me!
Thanx Thom...
Looks great, I have a real soft spot for bridges. :)
This is what it looks like at Murray's
Hi Bob:
Coming along quite nicely. It should be rather impressive when it's done. I will be following along.
Karl
Wating for new chain! I tried several ways to blacken it and none worked well so I put it in firearm cold blue. Don't try that one guys, it works well with metal truss rods but the chain fell apart, OOPS! I have all the shoot pullies and pillow blocks on. Guess while I wait patiently (or not so) I could build the shoot doors.
BTB,
Interesting, I'll be watching when complete. Thanx Thom...
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Those are some very interesting photo's and something I can't say I knew existed back then until now. I wonder what it would cost the owner to hire the train company to bring a few loads of coal. :-\
Got some shoots done, there are about 450 parts in all the shoots. The rust is bold in the some pictures (I think) but not with the naked eye. When I put it all together it;s getting big!
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Bob,
Wow, great job on the build. I've always liked this kit and came close to getting one at the Scranton, PA. Expo. Love the look of the shoots. Again, very well done.
Tom ;D
The last 4.
When I look back thru the pics. I think wow! Started with a box of sticks 7 months ago.
That looks fantastic, Bob. Nice variation on the roof shingles. The whole thing is just a great effect.
Vince
Great work on this build! You really nailed the details.
Wonderful structure, thanks for sharing all the photo,s
Beautiful work. A stunning structure.
Jeff
That is incredible looking. Outstanding modeling.
Excellent build! That look like it was a lot of work but it was sure worth the effort. :D
Wonderful work Bob..... 8)
Thanks for all the great comments. I did some changing from the kit no hoist house, didn't use the rail w/cut off tie's I used rail and rail clips (aka fleas over 400 of them) and the chain was way to big so I got 40 lpi. Thanks again!
Great structure: great build!
The overall size will overshadow anything else on the layout unless you follow the example I used years ago in our second home. Kitchen had a tiny, double hung window in it when we bought the house. I took it out and installed a massive Andersen bow window akin to your model. That led to remodeling the kitchen which led to expanding the back of the house. Our $1000.00 window in our $60,000 house wound up costing us $40,000 + (1980 dollars).
Now, with the coal dealer, you'll need more layout, which will mean a larger basement, which in turn will mean a larger house, which will lead to......
Detail that will be lost! All of this detail will be covered by the roofing. I am not going to build the ends like in the photo just leave them open so a little can be seen.
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Hi Bob:
Looks great so far.
Karl
Great looking structure.
BoB,
Beautiful modeling my friend! What an inspiration for building a big building. Just love all that detail. Don't worry about the roof covering up the insides. The roof comes off when showing off with the conversation and the wow factor in person is always the icing on the cake.
Of course, you can build the roof with a section done in clear plastic (modeling license) to show off the inside modeling if you don't want to keep pullin' off the roof every time. Thanx Thom...
Thanks for the positive comments! Seven months is a long time to be working on one project for me, the end is in sight now. One BIG tip for anyone building Murray's build a 30 degree cradle for the trestle part (see photo). I didn't for the first half of the shoots, chains and trusses over them. I made it because I couldn't reach the rafter bracing , twist or stand on my head long enough to see and glue them in place. It's just the ticket! I could see, glue everything in place and a big plus the roof is flat so you can weight the roof when gluing it to the rafters.
Hey Bob:
WOW!!!! what can I say but beautiful job. I looks like it was lots of work.
Karl
Bob,
I agree with all the others, great job on the build. What a structure, nice and long!
Tom ;D
Bob
Very nice work - it's really fun to see a big project in the home stretch.
I have been working on the office all I had to go by was a picture date unknown. So what do you do, just start and this is what I came up with. It's not done yet but LHS took pictures so here they are! Left side is bag coal (real big business in those days) right side is scales . Sayre Hobby aka LHS is making decals for big blank sides John H Murray's coal if you blow up the original pic looks like there is something there. The office in the pic is still part of the office now! In the life of the office it has been moved, built on, tore off and built on again in it's 120 year life!
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Wow , love it , what a great little business.
Very nice work.
Great work! 🏅🏅🏅 Love the detail on the chutes.
Looking good Bob..... 8)
Very nice build. That's an interesting building.
This is the storage shed it sets next to the scales. LM3 made it backwards and batten board. I didn't realize it until I was almost done with it (don't think I"ll build another one) . The Campbell roofing was done with Birchwood Casey's Aluminum black. One big tip do it outside it smells like you opened a can with 144 farts in it! Next pictures will be all the buildings taken by Frank Evens owner of Sayre Hobby Shop (Check out his facebook page) for pictures of all the pieces all together before I start the 2'x4' diorama!
BtB,
Nice work my friend! I like the weathering, the tin roof rusting looks good. Keep doin' wha-chur doin' brother! Thanx Thom...
Both look great but love the scale building. Working on one that is similar that was on the old Schoharie and Middleburg RR
rich
Hey Bob:
Great job on the red building. Color looks great.
Karl
I got all the Murray clan together for pictures!
Big Family.
BtB,
Beautiful modeling sir! What a great set of structures, you are da-man! Thanx Thom...
Terrific work Bob.....looking forward to seeing them in place with the scenery. 8)
1 year after starting I am done!!!!
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LHS aka Sayre Hobby Shop took lots of pictures!
Hope I am posting right!
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Only 4 more!
So how do you like the finished kit? It took one year, who knows how many hours or pieces. Fun yes, would I do it again, no - too big 2'x4' . Now on to other kits! Thanks for the positive comments along the way.
Rick (Bob the Builder)
Beautiful modeling.
Beautiful diorama Bob.....very well done. 8)
It's a shame that all the great work and detail that you did on the inside is hidden by the building walls. :(
Fantastic! I love it! :D
Took you a year , but wow does that show , superb modeling , well done.
Ditto to all the other comments. Well done indeed.
Tom ;D
Rick,
Absolutely wonderful rendition of this gigantic structure! I saw Laser 3's display model a few years ago and marveled at its size and complexity. You have more than done their kit justice.
Hey Bob:
All I can say WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a beautiful job you did with this kit. I love it.
Karl
John H Murray's Coal Dealership will be on display during the Sayre Historical Society Model Train Day, Saturday, November 24
(10 a.m. to 4 p.m.) http://sayrehistoricalsociety.org/ If anyone wants to see the prototype it's about two miles away. The address is 2592 Pennsylvania Avenue Sayre, PA 18840
Sure was fun seeing it being built and sure looks real now that it is completed. Thanks and well done.