Hi Everyone
Time to open up another Kit thread, this one will be the FSM Bailey's Produce Co. kit.
Anyone else that has this kit and wishes to join in please do ( Karl ). ;D
Ok I started off opening the kit and thought wow whats with all the folded instructions and I realized George broke down this build nicely into big fold out instructions A - E, a bit intimitating but very thorough.
And so I start ... you can see there are templates that need to be cut out and glued to the walls for laying shingles, not as easy as it looks because you have to make sure all the lines are going to lineup or the shingles whon't meet wall to wall, so I did my best and it came out pretty good.
Looking in!
Vince
Following along , I have this waiting to be built , but won't join you , I have an N-scale empire to be built first ;)
Hi Lynn:
Looks like you are off to a good start. I didn't even get mine out yet. Took the weekend off.
Karl
Lynn,
I'll be in on the followers also.
Tom ;D
I'll be watching too..... :)
Lynn,
I'll be starting mine in a couple of weeks. :D I'll be watching yours to see what I'm in for! ;D
Following also.
Karl and Bob I look forward to the company.
Thanks guys for following along.
Moving along, leaving the shingling templates under weight overnite, still got some warpage but the interior bracing I'm confident will take care of that.
And applying shingles, I had bought this little applicator years ago and just came across it, makes applying shingles sooooo much easier. I filled it with elmers and a bit of windshield washer to thin it down. You can see the nice stream it provides.
I thought I'd try to be better organized with the shingles and cut a corner out of the bag they came in and dispense that way to keep the roll flat, wasn't happening.
Hey Lynn:
Lynn & I will be building this kit together as we did on the pile driver.
Looks like you are way ahead of me already. Will be checking instruction and starting probably tomorrow.
Karl
Karl
Sounds great Karl, I have one more day off and I slack off for a few.
Following all three of y'alls!👍🏻
Awsome Dave.
Next update shingles trimmed, and door and window framing installed where instructions ask for it.
By the way instructions had asked for both sides of the walls be primed before doing anything , so I did using Krylon Camoflage Khaki.
I had been curious what Krylon Camoflage Khaki compared to Rustoleum Camoflage Khaki would look like so did a bit of experimenting on two sheets of the metal roof. The Rustoleum Camoflage Khaki seems to give a more of a lead color compared to the Krylon and the Rustoleum didn't seem to cover as well. I would really like to try the Sand color in the same line of either manufacturers but doesn't seem to be available up here in Canada and neither do the suppliers want to export it up here.
Lynn,
Great start, I loving it all.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom, I think this build is going to get real interesting. ;D
The wall bracing was very interesting, I didn't realize that the wall themselves had to be notched and not just the bracing, even took out bracing on the wrong wall, even with the booboos they all interconnect fine. sheeesh that was stressful. ;D
I didn't have SF Lettering Grey so went with the SP Lettering Grey and in all truthfulness I had misread the directions and thought it said SP Lettering Grey.
Stucco next.
Hey Lynn:
Looks great so far. I will from your photos that the notches don't go through the walls. Just notches in the 1/8th Sq. bracing right.
Karl
Thanks Karl , bear as I can tell it can work both ways although instructions show the walls notched, probably maybe for support.
Hey Lynn:
Thanks appreciate it.
Karl
Hi all , I had my walls shingles and painted but had made a very large mistake in my painting, generally I will use a laquer thinner to thin my floquil paint to apply and this time not even thinking I grabbed the same looking small bottle that I thought was thinner and turned out to be MEK, well as soon as I smelled it on the brush I knew it was MEK but thought should be ok, wrong. The Mek actually sort of welded the paint down in the seems and when I tried lifting the shingles I realized it was just a waste of time and decided to remove the shingles and start over , I have 2 walls that still have reference lines for the shingles but I'm uncertain about the tall peaked roof wall that has the two small windows as per shingle location. But I will see what I can do.
P.S. if you guys see that the ongoing outcome of the project isn't looking quite right I sure would appreciate to hear from you's and some suggestions.
Hi Lynn:
Place the tall wall with the two windows between the two sidewalls it goes with. Make the bottoms even and that should give you the shingle line I think. Let me know it it works.
Karl
Hi Lynn:
Here's a photo.
Karl
Yep that helped, this is what I ended up with as far as setting up the lines for shingling. Well other than the tall peaked roof will get the lines off the adjacent walls.
Lynn:
I'd say drop it down and make it even with the rest.
Karl
Thanks Karl that's what I did.
Hi Lynn:
Glad I could help.
Karl
Hi Karl , I could use a bit more help yet again, can you please measure the distance from the wall edge to the edge of where the shingle end as per the attached photos?
Thanks
Lynn
Hi Lynn:
1 11/16th inches. That is from the left edge of the wall to the end of my shingles.
Karl.
Perfect, thanks Karl. I was just going to temp assemble the walls and figure it out but your measurement is much better.
I think the shingling came out pretty good with the 3m tape method. I like the way none of the shingle ends are stuck to the next rung down, this should make life so much easier. Thanks Karl
Hey LYnn:
You got them done in hurry they look good.
Karl
Thanks Karl , I now understand why you cut the doors and windows from the templates before applying shingles.
Hi Lynn:
Yeah less cutting as you cut the holes for windows & doors.
Karl
Just a bit of an update , Page A completed. I may do a bit more touchup on the corners of the stucco. I will deal with lifting the shingles as I go and you can see drilling the hole for the stove pipe and gib crane , the area will need a bit of help.
Hi Lynn:
Your looks much better than my depot buff. I painted over it with aged concrete and looks much better. I'll post pics tomorrow OK.
Karl
The stuco looks very realistic , excellent build so far Karl.
Hi Jan:
The pics above are of Lynn's build.
Karl
Very nice modeling.
Quote from: postalkarl on April 20, 2018, 08:36:11 AM
Hi Jan:
The pics above are of Lynn's build.
Karl
Oops , so Lynn's stuco looks great , :-[ ??? ;)
Great work so far both Lynn and Karl.
Thanks John , Jan , Curt and Karl.
Hey Lynn:
You are quite welcome.
Karl
Finally have a chance to post some pics of where I'm at . My hobby room has moved and not the greatest liting so I set the structure on the cleanest spot I could find on the layout.
Suggestions always welcome.
Lynn,
Very nicely done on the build. The entire structure looks great and the roof is perfect.
Tom ;D
Great modeling on a interesting building.
Thanks Tom and Curt I can only say everyone else is inspiring me with their great modeling.
Your corrugated roofing turned out real nice. This is a great kit from FSM.
Jaime
Thanks Jamie, I pretty much stuck to the directions, other than I used Rembrandt chalks. I think I came across your build in a group build over at Kitforums, fantastic builds by a few of you's and so well documented.
Quote from: Lynnb on November 04, 2018, 02:51:33 PM
Thanks Jamie, I pretty much stuck to the directions, other than I used Rembrandt chalks. I think I came across your build in a group build over at Kitforums, fantastic builds by a few of you's and so well documented.
That build thread over at kitforums was a blast. Sellios's instructions are a fantastic way to learn tried and proven modeling techniques.
Did you use the water putty that came with the kit ? I'm curious how long that water putty will remain good.
Jaime
No Jamie I didn't use the wall puddy that came with the kit kinda for that reason as well there is Liquidex ceramic stucco stuff I got at Micheals art supply store, much more user friendly.
Seems like it takes days to get through a few steps.
I originally had the back roof with black tar paper only because I didn't see the sheet of tar paper in the kit, quick tear off and I'm back on track.
I got the two add on areas just about completed as well.
You'll be finished in no time ;D
Jaime
Quote from: NEMMRRC on November 04, 2018, 03:39:10 PMDid you use the water putty that came with the kit ? I'm curious how long that water putty will remain good.
It's Durham's Rock Hard Water Putty. A container of it the local big box store costs well under $5. I have an open one I keep out in the garage that has to be 20+ years old. It's a good as new. I've tried it for making roads. It works but they are rock solid when it dries and too hard to scribe joints, cracks, etc. in so I gave up on that. I use it to supplement what comes in kits whenever I misread the instructions and don't spare enough for later on. ;)
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 05, 2018, 07:43:52 AM
Quote from: NEMMRRC on November 04, 2018, 03:39:10 PMDid you use the water putty that came with the kit ? I'm curious how long that water putty will remain good.
It's Durham's Rock Hard Water Putty. A container of it the local big box store costs well under $5. I have an open one I keep out in the garage that has to be 20+ years old. It's a good as new. I've tried it for making roads. It works but they are rock solid when it dries and too hard to scribe joints, cracks, etc. in so I gave up on that. I use it to supplement what comes in kits whenever I misread the instructions and don't spare enough for later on. ;)
20 year shelf life is not bad. I guess the George Bailey kit is almost that old ;D
Jaime
Lynn, that wall looks great. I like the variety of textures with the stucco, tar paper roof and shingled upper story. Nice character.
--George
Thanks Opa George this kit does have a great deal of variety for roofs and different techniques.
Not much to show although I have did quite a bit , I'm now on Step 34 which is to make up the 2 lamps , the wire certainly is huge but did figure out that it's better to drill the hole from the inside of the lamp and outward. There ready to go after a priming and paint. I also got all the small windows in place, knocked them off at least a few times handling the building. I'm also missing the top block piece for the hydro meter so will have to come up with something with styrene.
It never occurred to me to drill the lamp shades from the inside. Clever tip.
Jaime
Thanks Jamie, drilling from the bottom at the time seemed to be the only other option, drilling from the top wasn;t going so well for that size of wire. Would be handy when wiring in real model lites.
So far its moving along pretty good, originally I thought I misplaced the weatherhead and after rereading realized I had to make it out of wood , i made it from styrene. I now have to take a couple steps back and do the rafter cross boards and signage.
Cool looking building Lynnb.
Hey Lynn:
Very well done.
Karl
Thank Curt and Karl, it has been a learning experience. Work keeps slowing me down.
Quote from: Lynnb on November 08, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
Thanks Jamie, drilling from the bottom at the time seemed to be the only other option, drilling from the top wasn;t going so well for that size of wire. Would be handy when wiring in real model lites.
If I recall there are two sizes of wire in this kit. When I built mine I had to get both wires and put them side by side to make sure I was using the right one.
Jaime
Looks great so far! I really like the colors and the weathering.
Spoiler alert - I got around this point in the build and found myself thinking "Wow, I'm almost done the main building." Wrong. ::) There's still a lot of interesting "stuff" to add to it. ;)
Quote from: NEMMRRC on November 08, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: Lynnb on November 08, 2018, 03:25:55 PM
Thanks Jamie, drilling from the bottom at the time seemed to be the only other option, drilling from the top wasn;t going so well for that size of wire. Would be handy when wiring in real model lites.
If I recall there are two sizes of wire in this kit. When I built mine I had to get both wires and put them side by side to make sure I was using the right one.
Jaime
Yes the two wires are a definate size difference but pretty obvious in size, the bigger wire for the lamps look like they may even big enough for a tortoise switch machine throw wire upgrade.
Yes Bob still some interesting stuff to add , signs , roof rafter support boards, roofs , canopy's , can't think of much else though. I won't be attaching the building to the base rightaway so will have to skip the power wires. Looking forward to your update Bob.
Don't forget the rafter tails !
Jaime
Jamie I think i did get all the rafter tails, didn't I?
Quote from: Lynnb on November 09, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
Jamie I think i did get all the rafter tails, didn't I?
The only way I was able to keep track of all that was if I little sticks of wood were still left in the kit's box ::)
Jaime
I think the main building is going pretty good , I took some time to put the brushes in my MEK jar, cleans them rght up. I'm also trying a new to me technique using a mix of water, white glue and a drop of dish soap and the rembrandt chalks. Last up is time for a base.
Lynn,
I find coloring shingles realistically is one of my personal challenges. I am impressed by the fact you did the roof and wall shingles in two slightly different colors and both look equally realistic.
Really nice job with the build and coloring Lynn.
Thanks Jerry and Curt, Jerry I have many challenges in this structure building. :D
Lynn, looking fantastic! This is one kit I hope to find and build in the coming years--so much character, and you captured it. I know George shows it on his model, but that ladder on top of the corrugated porch roof makes me nervous. Maybe that's my "safety committee" years talking!
--George
Great build! This is a favorite FSM kit of mine and you've captured that "George" look 8)
John
Thanks George and John, George we like to live on the edge, John I absolutely love Mr Sellios style .
I think I have the main structure done , I think. And onto the platform. Now here's the thing, I don't think I will be running a rail to Bailey's Produce so I may have to do something different for a platform or it may look a bit weird having a lone platform elevated , I mean the produce will be delivered via truck and cart but why have an elevated platform right? Thought ?
I wonder if you could line up the stand-alone loading platform perpendicular to the loading platform under the canopy?
Jaime
Another possibility--perhaps model some abandoned tracks?
--George
Jamie and George both not bad ideas.
Lynn,
Produce is a timely commodity. Additional dock space is always an asset no matter if the produce arrives by rail or truck. It could, in fact, be more important in the absence of a rail siding because it will take several trucks to supply one freight car worth of produce. This doesn't even consider the fact that the open covered dock with all those wonderful castings is an absolute killer scene. If you have the space, I'd recommend finding a way to include it in the scene with the main building, by attaching it to the building's existing dock if possible. Maybe you could use half the roof attached to the side of the building and connect it perpendicular to the main dock? Remember George loves to see how people adapt his kits to fit their needs.
Thanks Jerry that is some good input, I definitely with not be leaving it out.
It's looking very, very good Lynn. Have fun with that loading dock. It took me a little longer than I expected to put that together but it was fun. I need to update my thread to show that part of the build.
I think John (Cuse) is faced with a similar dilemma. He wasn't planning on having his Bailey's serviced by rail either. Last time we spoke he was noodling his options which included servicing by truck or adding a dead/dummy track that's not connected to his mainline. I'm looking forward to seeing both yours and his in there final location on your layouts.
Hey Lynn B:
What can I say but WOW!!!!!! Looks just great. Great colors and the weathering is just perfect.
Karl
Sorry Bob and Karl, missed the comments :-[
Been back from holidays for a week and also back to work at the job for a week but I have been moving along , so here's what I've gotten accomplished.Will have to break it into two posts. I had gotten a good start on the Office , painted with Floquil Grime and then the old thinner with half dip of Grime single stroke , windows, doors and glass panes installed , then did some nail heads with my small drill end and a relief wash with floquil weathered black and thinner solution.
I thought I give the Brick blocking another shot with Toms idea of painting them white first then drybrushing them a brick color, took qute a bit more , let dry and drybrush somemore, I found if I varied the brick color with a bit of tinted black it helped. Ready for the Loading platform.
Onto the platform, love doing the wood work part.
Part 2 of the update is pretty straight forward , assembling the loading dock, sure is fragile , had to reglue a few times after knocking gussets loose.
And onto shingling the two roofs, I've grown accustomed to using the 3m tape , got them done and trimmed and ready to fix on.
I must say I dislike making railings, sometimes feels like I have 4 extra thumbs.
Looking good George.
Looking good Lynn.
Thanks Curt, work has really been taking its toll on my me time.
Here's a 360 of Bailey's , as always , always open for suggestions.
Time for castings.
Lynn,
Fantastic job all the way around the 360. Love the weathering and over all appearance.
Tom ;D
Lynn,
Glad to see you decided to make that dock part of the "package". Looking forward to seeing the details complimenting an already great structure.
Hey Lynn:
Looks just beautiful so far.
Karl
Thanks Tom and Jerry and Karl for the compliments, this kit has been a great learning experience.
Very well done Lynn.....looking forward to seeing pictures when you get it planted and detailed on the layout. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on December 15, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
Very well done Lynn.....looking forward to seeing pictures when you get it planted and detailed on the layout. 8)
Thanks Gregory, really I'm not sure where it will be going on my layout but I do plan to detail it as much as possible so its ready to blend into what ever area it goes into.
Lynn, marvelous job and great pics of the finished structure. Looking forward to seeing it with the castings as well. I'm an ex-produce man and may have to find this kit to add to my layout out of nostalgia. If I can finish it half as nice as yours, I'll be happy.
--Opa George
Thanks George , appreciate the nice compliment, I just followed the instructions and pickup tips from these other fine modelers.
Last summer I picked up a couple pails of rocks , tonight I did some separating, needed some fines for my diorama.
This is beautiful
Thanks Dick for the compliment.
Nice job Lynn
Doug
Great work Lynn! It looks very familiar. ;)
Thanks Doug and Bob , I think I'm about as far as I will go on this build now.
And a couple more to complete
Very nicely done :)
Eric
Excellent modeling.
Thanks Eric and Curt
Lynn,
I have really enjoyed following along as you built Bailey's. It turned out great and will definitely be a focal point on your layout.
Lynn,
Yes, I agree--extraordinary modeling and finishing. Following your build has cause me to put this kit on my "must find and buy" list.
--George
Lynn
Fantastic work!
Quote from: Opa George on December 31, 2018, 09:19:33 AM
Lynn,
Yes, I agree--extraordinary modeling and finishing. Following your build has cause me to put this kit on my "must find and buy" list.
--George
Thanks Jerry it started off being a bit stressful but once I relaxed into following the directions it was a lot of fun.
Thanks John and George , looking forward to diving into the next build.
Terrific scene and build Lynn..... 8)
Thanks Gregory for the compliment.
To borrow a phrase from the first Incredibles movie
That is totally wicked!
Hehe
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on January 05, 2019, 12:49:27 AM
To borrow a phrase from the first Incredibles movie
That is totally wicked!
Hehe
Haha thanks