Time to get going on another build.
This is Jim Harr's version of the New Erie Cafe. The original cafe was located on Track Road in Cleveland, Ohio, adjacent to the Erie Railroad's East 55th Street station.
I've had this model since 2009 and have wanted to build it since that time. Reading Bob has one as well and he can tell ya'll how I came to get this one.
Also, This kit is no longer available and Jim is out of the kit building business.
Of course, I'll be changing the sign to be New Tahope Cafe.
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From the next photo, it appears the cafe made it into the early 70's prior to being torn down.
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More in a few.
I see many possibilities for this kit. However, I will try to keep it mostly as original as I can. More on this later in the actual build.
The box contents are shown below.
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Some very nice interior details as stools, booths, vents, lunch counter, condiment bottles and tables.
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More in a few.
I'm following. That will look great in Tahope.
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Nice list of materials included in the kit.
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Some really great looking signs for the cafe and exterior walls.
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Yes, still more to come.
Jim also included in the kit four color pictures, two per photo, of the pilot model.
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I'll be starting this kit in the next few days or so. It will be a slow build as I also want to get back to working on the layout as I feel I'm falling behind. I'm going to try 50/50 on kit build and layout.
Falling behind on the layout build even though I have no schedule. After all, I have every Saturday to work on the kit and layout.
I've read through the instructions twice now and find some issues that I'll cover in the thread as I get to them
Thanks for following along on another adventure in kit building.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 20, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
I'm following. That will look great in Tahope.
Curt,
Thanks for following along. It will be located between the north end of Tahope business district and the roundhouse turntable area.
That's the plan at this point.
Tom ;D
I would imagine that you are going o source Diet Pepsi signs to replace the Coke signs. Can't have that other brand in Tom's city!
Following along Tom
Looks like Tahope is growing by leaps and bounds. Hope the planning board is OK with all this construction.
Jim
Stella Scale Models made some good looking kits. I'm anxious to see this one come along.
Jaime
I am looking forward to the build.
Mike
I'll be following along as well Tom. Always liked Jim's kits and have a couple in my stash.
I had never heard of these before this post. Nosing around on James Harr's site, I saw the Snyder Milling complex. Really like it - great fit for my setting. Too bad he hung up the spurs.
I don't know if he ever made a kit of that building -- guess I'll have to set up a trigger in eBay and see if anything pops up in the next few years.
Quote from: vinceg on October 21, 2018, 07:41:19 AM
I had never heard of these before this post. Nosing around on James Harr's site, I saw the Snyder Milling complex. Really like it - great fit for my setting. Too bad he hung up the spurs.
I don't know if he ever made a kit of that building -- guess I'll have to set up a trigger in eBay and see if anything pops up in the next few years.
Stella Scale made a kit of the Snyder Milling complex. If my memory serves me right it sold out. Ralph DeBlasi did a build thread on it (https://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=6238). It is out on the interwebs on some "other forums".
BEST did a video of some of the work that James Harr and Byan Bollinger did for a commissioned project for a museum. I never got to see that video though.
I took a bunch of photos of the pilot model for Snyder Milling at the first Expo. Maybe I'll get motivated this evening and find them.
Jaime
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, I have this one in my stash as well. When I first saw it the structure just screamed out hometown to me. It looked like it belonged in any one of the small towns around the area I grew up in.
When I purchased it I showed it to Tom and he wanted one as well. As chance would have it I had a balance in my PayPal account so we made some sort of deal, the details of which escape me, and I ordered one for him as well. When I ordered the second one it alarmed Jim Harr who sent me an e-mail asking if everything was alright with the first kit he had sent me. He was concerned that something was wrong with it and that's why I had ordered a second one. I assured him the first kit was fine and the second kit was for someone else. Now that's customer service. Too bad Jim opted to focus on custom model building and got out of the kit manufacturing business. I loved the designs he came up with. :D
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Quote from: vinceg on October 21, 2018, 07:41:19 AM
I had never heard of these before this post. Nosing around on James Harr's site, I saw the Snyder Milling complex. Really like it - great fit for my setting. Too bad he hung up the spurs.
I don't know if he ever made a kit of that building -- guess I'll have to set up a trigger in eBay and see if anything pops up in the next few years.
Stella Scale made a kit of the Snyder Milling complex. If my memory serves me right it sold out. Ralph DeBlasi did a build thread on it (https://www.kitforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=6238). It is out on the interwebs on some "other forums".
BEST did a video of some of the work that James Harr and Byan Bollinger did for a commissioned project for a museum. I never got to see that video though.
I took a bunch of photos of the pilot model for Snyder Milling at the first Expo. Maybe I'll get motivated this evening and find them.
Jaime
Vince,
I found the photos. Send me a PM.
Jaime
p/s sorry to hijack the thread
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up.
However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
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-slim 8)
Love the interior details, Slim. Fantastic scene!
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Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up. However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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-slim 8)
Quote from: whiskeyriver on October 20, 2018, 03:22:32 PM
I would imagine that you are going o source Diet Pepsi signs to replace the Coke signs. Can't have that other brand in Tom's city!
Trust me on this one, if I can't find a suitable Pepsi sign, I'll have to settle for the Coke one. Although I have to admit this Coke sign looks pretty good.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Janbouli on October 20, 2018, 04:15:26 PM
Following along Tom
Jan,
Thanks, this will be a fun build.
Tom ;D
Quote from: NEMMRRC on October 20, 2018, 11:59:37 PM
Stella Scale Models made some good looking kits. I'm anxious to see this one come along.
Jaime
Jaime,
Glad to have you along.
Tom ;D
Quote from: madharry on October 21, 2018, 05:36:46 AM
I am looking forward to the build.
Mike
Mike,
Hey, welcome back, missed you and wondered what happened. Congrats on the recent retirement. Now you know what everyday is Saturday means.
Thanks for following along.
Tom ;D
Quote from: MAP on October 21, 2018, 06:17:22 AM
I'll be following along as well Tom. Always liked Jim's kits and have a couple in my stash.
Mark,
Appreciate you jumping in and following along. I've actually stared the kit and will post some updates later this afternoon or tomorrow.
Tom ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Greg,
I will be adding lighting effects for sure. I hope Slim's LEDs are better than they were in the past.
Tom ;D
The views with lighting remind me of Edward Hopper's Night Hawks.
Quote from: ReadingBob on October 21, 2018, 09:51:20 AM
Yep, I have this one in my stash as well. When I first saw it the structure just screamed out hometown to me. It looked like it belonged in any one of the small towns around the area I grew up in.
When I purchased it I showed it to Tom and he wanted one as well. As chance would have it I had a balance in my PayPal account so we made some sort of deal, the details of which escape me, and I ordered one for him as well. When I ordered the second one it alarmed Jim Harr who sent me an e-mail asking if everything was alright with the first kit he had sent me. He was concerned that something was wrong with it and that's why I had ordered a second one. I assured him the first kit was fine and the second kit was for someone else. Now that's customer service. Too bad Jim opted to focus on custom model building and got out of the kit manufacturing business. I loved the designs he came up with. :D
Bob,
Appreciate the input and story. We have talked about building this for years.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on October 22, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up. However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
-slim 8)
Slim,
Oh yea, go ahead and continue to blame me for your faulty LEDs. I'm a big guy and can take the heat. No pun intended. ;D ;D
Tom 8)
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 22, 2018, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on October 22, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up. However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
-slim 8)
Slim,
Oh yea, go ahead and continue to blame me for your faulty LEDs. I'm a big guy and can take the heat. No pun intended. ;D ;D
Tom 8)
I've been listening to you two play the blame game for years.....I've about decided that both y'all are miscreants and part pyromaniacs. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tom,
Will be following along - I have this kit in my to build pile, as well as the Snyder Milling.
Jim was kind enough to do "Ethan Allen" Cafe signs for my New England setting for the diner.
Marty
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 22, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 22, 2018, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on October 22, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up. However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
-slim 8)
Slim,
Oh yea, go ahead and continue to blame me for your faulty LEDs. I'm a big guy and can take the heat. No pun intended. ;D ;D
Tom 8)
I've been listening to you two play the blame game for years.....I've about decided that both y'all are miscreants and part pyromaniacs. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Amen to that. :o :o :o
Those are some big words Greg :o
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 22, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 22, 2018, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on October 22, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up. However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
-slim 8)
Slim,
Oh yea, go ahead and continue to blame me for your faulty LEDs. I'm a big guy and can take the heat. No pun intended. ;D ;D
Tom 8)
I've been listening to you two play the blame game for years.....I've about decided that both y'all are miscreants and part pyromaniacs. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Greg,
Speaking only for moi, I definitely am what you said. Wonder why I didn't join the fire department instead of the Po-Po. Oh, yea, they put out fires! Just saying.
Firestarter Tom :-X
Quote from: CVSNE on October 22, 2018, 01:59:55 PM
Tom,
Will be following along - I have this kit in my to build pile, as well as the Snyder Milling.
Jim was kind enough to do "Ethan Allen" Cafe signs for my New England setting for the diner.
Marty
Marty,
Thanks for following along. I've had this one for the last 9 years and finally it is getting built.
I'll need to change my sign as well. Nine years ago I had no idea what I wanted on the sign.
Tom ;D
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Quote from: GPdemayo on October 22, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 22, 2018, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on October 22, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 21, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Neat building and terrific interior details.....this one will be great for lighting up.....I'll be watching Tom. :)
Yep, any building with big windows and an interior cries out to be lit up. However, for some odd reason I'm a little reluctant to suggest that Tom light anything up. ::)
-slim 8)
Slim,
Oh yea, go ahead and continue to blame me for your faulty LEDs. I'm a big guy and can take the heat. No pun intended. ;D ;D
Tom 8)
I've been listening to you two play the blame game for years.....I've about decided that both y'all are miscreants and part pyromaniacs. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Amen to that. :o :o :o
Oh come on, give me a little credit for burning down JD's station with defective LEDs. :-[ Not everybody can do that little trick.
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 22, 2018, 03:15:55 PM
Those are some big words Greg :o
Curt,
Don't mention this but Greg sees himself as an sesquipedalian.Tom ;D
Okay, we had some fun. Now its time to get on with the build. More to follow in a few minutes after loading the pictures.
Tom 8)
I started by laying out the foundation pieces.
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The instruction sheet states the Foudation Assembly template is to 1:1 scale, meaning it's HO scale to the template sheet.
However, in the middle of the page is a (not to scale) notation. I figured this to refer to #F6 as not to scale. I've marked this in red.
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Matching these to the Foundation Assembly template, I noted they don't fit. See photo below.
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I decided here, I would make the Foundation Assembly fit the floor and not the template.
I needed to shave a little off #F4, shown in blue, to get the foundation to fit the floor pattern.
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Nor sure how this slight change will affect the walls. I know that if the walls, once together, are slightly wider I'll be able to make the adjustment of the building on the foundation.
We'll need to wait and see how this works outs.
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 22, 2018, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 22, 2018, 03:15:55 PM
Those are some big words Greg :o
Curt,
Don't mention this but Greg sees himself as an sesquipedalian.
Tom ;D
The fewer saylallables, the better. :)
It's been a long time since I built my New Erie kit but I can't think of any "gotcha's" that I encountered while building it. Jim did a great job designing that kit. Perhaps making sure you line up those ledge/trim pieces (that are on the same sheet as the foundation pieces) before you glue them together - I think I had to do some head scratching to make sure I stacked them properly.
Yep...I think I had to chisel them apart and re-do them because I stacked them wrongly the firstest time. :P
-slim
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on October 23, 2018, 09:46:06 AM
It's been a long time since I built my New Erie kit but I can't think of any "gotcha's" that I encountered while building it. Jim did a great job designing that kit. Perhaps making sure you line up those ledge/trim pieces (that are on the same sheet as the foundation pieces) before you glue them together - I think I had to do some head scratching to make sure I stacked them properly.
Yep...I think I had to chisel them apart and re-do them because I stacked them wrongly the firstest time. :P
-slim
Slim,
I think these kits did come out about ten years ago. I got mine in 2009. I though I remember you had one on display to show some of your lighting effects. Well done on your kit my friend.
I will be lighting this one as well and I understand you now have LEDs that don't catch on fire like the ones we used on JD's Middletown Station. That was such a great gag and hard to believe it was almost nine years ago we pulled that one off.
I do see maybe two "gotcha's" and will get into that later in the build.
Tom ;D
Today, I spent more time reading and re-reading the instructions. Most things are very clear and Jim did a great job on this kit.
I do plan on lighting the interior lunch area as well as one, maybe two upstairs rooms.
With that in mind, Jim also included three short interior wall sections to use on the cafe interior.
In the photo below, you can see the paper cutouts on top and my 1/16" thick walls on the bottom. Just to be sure, I braced the rear of the walls with HO scale 6X6 strip wood.
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One more thing, I used clapboard walls for the interior but will turned the clapboard to the rear so the smooth side wall will be on the inside.
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I've never seen this in the past in any kit. On the left wall section, the interior side is very fuzzy or rough cut.
Since part of this wall will be a painted interior wall, I needed to remove the fuzz. I used the course side of an Emory board and then finished with the smooth side to remove a great majority of the fuzz. I'll hit the wall again with the smooth side prior to painting.
You can see the fuzz on the right and my attempt to smooth it on the left.
The interior wall will be located just to the left of the door.
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Tom, looks good so far. Is reversing the walls a change you made or the way the directions say to do it? Just curious. Sorry if you explained why and I missed it.
Wow. In the time I have almost finished a small kit you are now on your third and of course finishing the middle section of your layout. Makes me tired, think I'll grab a Bitburger and watch you have at it.
Jim D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 23, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Tom, looks good so far. Is reversing the walls a change you made or the way the directions say to do it? Just curious. Sorry if you explained why and I missed it.
Curt,
Thank you, much appreciated. I haven't reversed any walls on this kit except the three small interior walls. I reversed them so the back/rear smooth side faced the inside of the cafe. I didn't want the clapboard to face toward the interior.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Jim Donovan on October 23, 2018, 10:42:46 PM
Wow. In the time I have almost finished a small kit you are now on your third and of course finishing the middle section of your layout. Makes me tired, think I'll grab a Bitburger and watch you have at it.
Jim D
Jim,
When everyday is Saturday, a lot of work gets done. I find my work sessions are like bananas, it comes in bunches. 8) 8)
When I get tired, I read for a day or two and then jump back in to building.
Tom ;D
Today I worked on the floor section and foundation frame.
I used the floor piece and made a copy out of the same thickness as the floor. I cut it from 1/16" X 4" X 24" Basswood from Midwest Products.
This new piece will serve as the ceiling for the restaurant and the floor of the second story.
I cut two pieces and edge glued them together. Weights were used until the glue was dry.
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I used the original floor plan to cut an exact duplicate for the second piece.
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In the next photo you can see the floor piece and the restaurant interior back wall.
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In the next photo you can see the duplicate piece. I'm showing it with the ceiling up so you can see how the interior wall fits as a mirror image of the floor.
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I then glued the floor piece to the foundation frame. Not shown.
I finally figured out the exterior walls fit over the outside edge of the floor section. The instructions call for two walls to be glued to the floor piece. After all the walls and floor are glued together, the wall section and floor are then glued to the top of the foundation frame.
I wanted more control and access to the first floor and interior pieces. Here is what I did to make it easier for me to install and detail the interior.
I took two pieces of 2X12 and glued/laminated them together. I made two 4X12s this way.
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Taking into account the walls are glued to the outside edge of the floor, this means the floor sits flush with the bottom of the floor piece.
I used the 4X12s and glued them to the outside edge of the foundation frame even with the bottom of the floor piece.
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Using a spare piece of 1/16" basswood, I turned the floor over and pressed the 4X12's down against the spare piece.
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By pressing the 4X12's down, ensures I have them even with the bottom of the floor when turned right side up.
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Fast forward and all sides now have the 4X12 trim around the outside edge.
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Diet Pepsi time, back later this afternoon or evening.
Tom
Making good progress Tom.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 25, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
Making good progress Tom.
Curt,
Yepper, I want to get the basics done, the walls painted and then I'm moving back to layout work for a week or two.
Tom ;D
As you can see in the two photos below, the walls fit on the side and on top of the 4X12s. You can also see the doorways are flush with the floor.
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The kit comes with some plastic brick strips. I won't be using them as the 4X12's will serve as a concrete foundation and will be painted Aged Concrete. The 4X12's also give me a little room to add scenery next to the structure.
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For some extra support for the floor piece, I added two 12X12 pieces.
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I worked on several different projects today. Here is the latest update on the Erie Cafe.
I glued the flooring (paper pattern) to the floor. The wall location at the rear of the cafe is where it fits on the pattern.
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Tom,
Looks very nice thus far. As usual I'll be looking in to see what I can learn this time.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on October 27, 2018, 12:50:33 PM
Tom,
Looks very nice thus far. As usual I'll be looking in to see what I can learn this time.
Jerry,
Thank you, appreciate you following along on the build.
Tom ;D
I spent some time today working on the rear interior wall.
Several years ago I found some Award Paper with a faux pattern and though it would make great wallpaper some day. Today is that day.
I'll cover this wall and the others with the paper.
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This will be a faux wallpaper for the restaurant interior walls.
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I cut three pieces of the paper to fit the height of the rear wall.
I used transfer tape and placed the cut paper over the tape. I then trimmed the door and small service window using a new #11 X-Acto blade.
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I noticed the paper color was very close to Polly Scale D&RGW Building Cream.
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I painted the door jams and service window sides with the D&RGW cream color.
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Looks good Tom.
I also painted a piece of HO scale 1X4 with the cream colored paint.
I used the scale 1X4 to trim the three door openings as well as the service window.
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I'm not sure that 100% of the rear wall and door trim will be seen by visitors. I wanted to make the door opening plausible so the trim was added. At least I'll know it was done.
Menu board and Coke/Pepsi signs added later.
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I also noticed the floor was slightly warped.
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I previously glued bracing to the bottom but realized they were glued with the grain and not against it. I initially used 8X8s for the first bracing.
I removed small pieces of the current bracing and added HO scale 12X12s and glued them in placed against the wood grain.
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Done for the day.
Coming along nicely Tom, can't say I ever heard of this kit manufacturer , looks like a well put together kit. I know what you mean about trying to divide hobby time between kit building and layout work, haven't been at my layout for well over a year.
Quote from: Lynnb on November 04, 2018, 08:51:44 PM
Coming along nicely Tom, can't say I ever heard of this kit manufacturer , looks like a well put together kit. I know what you mean about trying to divide hobby time between kit building and layout work, haven't been at my layout for well over a year.
Lynn,
Thank you, much appreciated. Jim Harr started Stella Scale Models around 2008 or 2009. He only produced a few models and then started building models on a professional level for others.
Stella was the name of his Golden Retriever.
I try to move from kit building to layout building with some scenery work in the middle of it all.
Tom ;D
The instructions suggest gluing all the walls together prior to any painting. The instructions don't call for any bracing put states it is pretty much solid after the walls are glued in place.
Of course I didn't follow this line of thinking for obvious reasons. A structure this size will definitely need wall bracing.
Normally I brace walls prior to staining or painting. However, since I'm including the interior detail and added a back wall, I wasn't sure where I needed to add the braces.
I did stain the walls with Hunterline A&I Light Gray. Of course the walls did warp as expected.
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I'll fast forward here and say the walls were painted with Floquil Reefer White diluted with thinner. I thinned it enough so the walls would still reveal the A&I stain under the paint.
Jim included in the kit some great signs. He didn't include any Pepsi signs but there are many Cocoa Cola signs.
There is a great space on one side wall for a sign. I tried two different signs. The first is a fruit sign. :-X :-X
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The second one is a soda sing, Pepsi.
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I decided to use the Pepsi sign and use the melons on another build.
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I used some fine sandpaper to thin the back of the sign. I then applied some white glue to the rear of the sign. The glue softened the sign. When using white glue with a paper sign, be sure you have the spot for the sign ready. Once on the wall it is there and can't be moved.
The water content in the glue softens the paper and it becomes very thin and will more than likely tear if you try to remove it.
When I had the sign in place, I pressed it to the siding using my thumb. I then used a toothpick and carefully pushed the paper sign into the siding. Don't use the point but the edge of the toothpick to push the sign in.
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I added bracing where it would support the second story floor. I then glued the rear and right side walls together.
I then glued this sub assembly to the cafe base making sure the walls were straight.
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Notice the slot and tab on the corners? This will be covered with 1X6 boards later in the build.
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The added rear interior wall is in place but not yet glued. I need to add a few signs to this wall prior to gluing it in place.
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Really nice modeling Tom.
Nice wall work, its a real art to get them painted just right that the A/I just shows through. Sign looks good on the wall although I prefer the first choice ;D
Looks good, Tom. Ditto on the first sign!
I think the first sign was more appropriate for the Tahope little people. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Jim
Oh for the days of 5 cent Pepsi. :)
I remember paying 7 cents for a Coke, out of a machine, no less. This was around '53 or '54
Quote from: Lynnb on November 09, 2018, 04:49:55 PM
Nice wall work, its a real art to get them painted just right that the A/I just shows through. Sign looks good on the wall although I prefer the first choice ;D
Lynn,
Thank you, much appreciated. I've learned through the years just how much thinning of the paint is required to achieve the effect. And, I always test on a scrap piece first as well.
I like the first sign also.
Tom ;D
Quote from: vinceg on November 09, 2018, 05:20:56 PM
Looks good, Tom. Ditto on the first sign!
Vince,
Thank you also. As you already know I posted the BUXOM MELONS sign in the sign thread.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jimmillho on November 09, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
I think the first sign was more appropriate for the Tahope little people. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Jim
Jim,
Not to worry. I'm planning on placing a Miss Melons sign on the rear of the cafe. I'll be posting it later this evening.
Tom ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on November 10, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
Oh for the days of 5 cent Pepsi. :)
Greg,
Sadly, I remember those days.
Tom 8)
Quote from: John B on November 10, 2018, 09:25:40 AM
I remember paying 7 cents for a Coke, out of a machine, no less. This was around '53 or '54
John,
My fondest memories of coke is going to the local construction sights, collecting the empty bottles and taking them to the store for a 10 cent return for each bottle.
My cousin and I could easily get 5.00 every weekend. Of course we put 30 miles on our bikes doing it. Our handle bar baskets and the two saddle bag style baskets were full. Oh the noise they made. A few got broken in the process.
Tom ;D
I got a little done this afternoon on the cafe.
I showed this photo yesterday - blank rear wall.
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A few signs added.
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The rear wall is now glued in place.
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Here is an interior view with the ceiling in place. I still need to add LED ceiling lights.
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Here is a shot of the rear wall.
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Why show it you ask? Well since my BUXOM MELONS signage was so popular, I'll resize it and fit it on the rear wall. After all, the south is known for it citrus!
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By the way, this is a very real brand for citrus. We all know it wouldn't be allowed now with the NOW group. Just saying.
More in a few. No Diet Pepsi break, I've already had one.
I also changed the cafe signage to read TAHOPE CAFE.
These signs were very simple and not as fancy as the NEW ERIE CAFE sign.
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Looks really nice Tom.
Tom,
Beautiful work and the interior is amazing. I love the floor.
--George
With a nice interior will you be liting the building? Ok so how did you change the writing on the sign? Oh and happy to see the Melons, sign back, in back , on the back wall :)
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 10, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
Looks really nice Tom.
Curt,
Thank you as always my friend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Opa George on November 10, 2018, 06:38:48 PM
Tom,
Beautiful work and the interior is amazing. I love the floor.
--George
George,
Thank you for the kind compliment, I appreciate you following along on this one.
The floor came with the kit. I copied it somewhere but now can't remember what file I put it in. I'll keep looking and post it here.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Lynnb on November 10, 2018, 07:28:44 PM
With a nice interior will you be liting the building? Ok so how did you change the writing on the sign? Oh and happy to see the Melons, sign back, in back , on the back wall :)
Lynn,
Thank you as well, much appreciated. Yes, I will be lighting the interior and maybe one over an outside door. I'm also going to light the Tahope sign. More on this later in the build.
The melon sign will be added within the next few days.
I use a program called IRFANVIEW for my photos. It is a free program and down load.
www.irfanview.com (http://www.irfanview.com)
I copied the sign into my photo thread. I brought up the photo and using the "edit" heading dropped down to "show paint dialog". In "paint dialog" I boxed the New Erie Cafe and used the eraser to remove it.(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F24-111118152148.jpeg&hash=6e20014db0ad12077fdfa624694c14e0b6da55c9)In paint dialog, I clicked on the "A", this give you a little star to click where you want the new wording. Also, when you do this, a box opens for you to type your message. When finished, highlight the new wording and then click OK. It puts the new message in the sign. This is what you get.(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F24-111118153304.jpeg&hash=fad67614c8872e05f03581c58f212ad7180b241f)Hope this helps.
I added just two more signs to the right side interior wall.
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Included in the kit are several booths, a lunch counter, a small cabinet and many very small, in fact very tiny, bottles for mustard, ketchup and sugar.
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The booths have tops and the lunch counter has some stool tops. Yes, they all need to be made and painted. More on that later in the thread.
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The front wall is very warped from the A&I and painting.
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Back in a few, I need a Diet Pepsi.
This is the only place on the front wall you can brace.
The small window frames aren't big/wide enough for bracing and it would also interfere with the front window glass.
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I made a second story floor which will also serve as the ceiling for the cafe.
I marked on the underside/ceiling side where I wanted to install the LED lighting.
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This is a view of the second story floor. The LEDs will be placed on each corner where marked. Of course I'll need to drill four small holes for the LED wiring.
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Okay, I drilled the holes and marked the polarity for the LEDs. I was going to use the copper tape, A LA Reading Bob style but remembered giving it all to Reading Bob.
Not to worry, I'll just use the conventional wiring method.
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I'll do a little backing up here.
I cut the second floor and added the interior bracing so the flooring will slide into place.
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A little light experimenting here. This is a 3mm warm white flood.
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As a flood it is to focused on one spot. I don't like the look especially since I'll be installing a total of four.
This next photo is of just one small micro LED. As you can see, it spreads the light more evenly and thus enhancing the ambient light.
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With four of these on the ceiling, the lighting will be just right for a cafe.
The LED is a miro LED from China. Yepper, the name of the business is WE HONEST! You just can't make this stuff up.
More tomorrow.
Looking fantastic Tom , lots of character with the floor and all the signs.
Yep, We_Honest is in my favorites on Ebay
Very nice Tom. I use we_honest also.
Tom,
Looks great as always. Once again I am in awe of your ability to see thru any potential issues and add floors, lighting, etc.
And, FWIW, if you brush some water onto the siding before you add your sign, you can move it
slightlyif you do not get it positioned exactly where you want it.
Looking good! Love the interior and the thought put into the lighting. :D
Hey Tom:
Interior looks great so far. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Karl
Sorry folks! Can't compete with They Honest - I mean We Honest - I mean - I dunno I'm confused now. :o
Coming along nicely Tom.
-slim (Me Honest)
Quote from: Janbouli on November 11, 2018, 04:44:20 PM
Looking fantastic Tom , lots of character with the floor and all the signs.
Yep, We_Honest is in my favorites on Ebay
Jan,
Thanks very much, appreciate it.
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 11, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
Very nice Tom. I use we_honest also.
Curt,
Thank you.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 11, 2018, 09:25:30 PM
Tom,
Looks great as always. Once again I am in awe of your ability to see thru any potential issues and add floors, lighting, etc.
And, FWIW, if you brush some water onto the siding before you add your sign, you can move it slightlyif you do not get it positioned exactly where you want it.
Jerry,
Appreciate the compliment on the build. This looked like an easy one but is actually a challenge.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 12, 2018, 07:04:08 AM
Looking good! Love the interior and the thought put into the lighting. :D
Bob,
Thanks very much. You'll see it up close if you make it by this weekend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: postalkarl on November 12, 2018, 07:52:51 AM
Hey Tom:
Interior looks great so far. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Karl
Karl,
Thank you as always. I can't wait to get it finished either. This is the kind of kit that keeps giving and giving.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on November 12, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
Sorry folks! Can't compete with They Honest - I mean We Honest - I mean - I dunno I'm confused now. :o
Coming along nicely Tom.
-slim (Me Honest)
Slim,
I appreciate you stopping by. I just don't have the patience or eyes to solder those nano LEDs you have. I do however, use all the other Slim products. Me be honest as well.
Maybe you could start selling pre-wired micro and nano LEDs.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 12, 2018, 10:16:26 AM
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on November 12, 2018, 09:56:29 AM
Sorry folks! Can't compete with They Honest - I mean We Honest - I mean - I dunno I'm confused now. :o
Coming along nicely Tom.
-slim (Me Honest)
Slim,
I appreciate you stopping by. I just don't have the patience or eyes to solder those nano LEDs you have. I do however, use all the other Slim products. Me be honest as well.
Maybe you could start selling pre-wired micro and nano LEDs.
Tom ;D
No worries Tom! If I were to sell the pre-wired's I would just have to get them from places like We Honest and mark them up. No sense in that. They probably have a bunch of kids with nice young eyes and steady hands cranking those buggers out for them. Their goosenecks and other fixtures don't look that bad
(better looking than Woodland Scenic ones) and you can't beat the price for them. Theirs are about $1 each and mine are ten times that. Maybe if I drank cheaper bourbon I could reduce my overhead :o
-slim
Slim,
I only use their micro LEDs. I prefer to build my own goose necks, using your steel tubing of course.
Tom ;D
As promised the Melon sign was sized to fit and added to the rear of the cafe.
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I also wired the interior lights for the dining area.
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I painted the ceiling with full strength Floquil Old Silver and then glued the micro LEDs to the ceiling.
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Here is how the interior looks with four micro LEDs.
NOTE: Not shown are the two additional signs added to the left interior wall.
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Grabbing a cold Diet Pepsi, back in a few.
I made the TAHOPE CAFE sign.
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Here is how I made the sign.
I used Evergreen Strip Styrene, .030" X .080", roughly 2 X 6 to make the marquee sign.
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I forgot to photo the signs after I added tape to them. I used clear packing tape and added the tape to both sides of the signs. This not only stiffened the sign but it also gave me a little shine on the face.
I cut four pieces of the styrene and glued two together at 90 degree angles. I made them just slightly larger than the sign.
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I then glued both pieces together making sure they were absolutely square.
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When dry, I added a short piece to the rear for a mounting bracket.
I then painted the marquee sign box with Floquil Old Silver and set aside to dry.
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I then drilled a #76 hole in the box from the bracket side, meaning from the rear.
I then glued one sign to one side.
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I didn't want the LED to pull through by accident or otherwise so the drilled hole was smaller than the LED head.
To defuse the LED light, I added two, 2 ply paper towel pieces to the inside of the installed sign. I placed the LED in the middle and added two more pieces of paper towel.
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After I got the LED sandwiched between the paper towels, I glued on the other sign.
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And here is the sign.
I tried several times to get a decent photo of the lighted sign but the camera keeps making it look like one big light in the middle. I person the sing has a very nice low level light look.
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Very impressive work Tom. The interior is beautiful. Jim
Buxom in the rear ????!!!! :o
I have not drank any bourbon yet. Perhaps I should begin.
The Slim approved LEDs are the bomb ...
Jaime
Excellent modeling Tom. You set the standard very high.
You're moving along nicely, I only tend to move at a snails pace. One day I hope to venture into liting my structures, my eyes aren't what they use to be. Thanks for the tutorial on the signs, I think someone may have gave me that program quite a few years back, will have to look.
Interior light looks nice and even Tom.
I like the paper towel idea. Hot spots can be challenging.
-slim
Quote from: jrmueller on November 12, 2018, 06:33:19 PM
Very impressive work Tom. The interior is beautiful. Jim
Jim,
Thank you, very much appreciated. It was a fun project.
Tom ;D
Quote from: NEMMRRC on November 12, 2018, 07:07:40 PM
Buxom in the rear ??? ?!!!! :o
I have not drank any bourbon yet. Perhaps I should begin.
The Slim approved LEDs are the bomb ...
Jaime
Jaime,
The lights really make the interior, thank you.
The cafe will be in the middle of the center isle so the "Miss Buxom" will be seen even from the rear.
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 12, 2018, 08:21:40 PM
Excellent modeling Tom. You set the standard very high.
Curt,
Thank you my friend, appreciated the kind compliment. Not sure about setting the standard but I do love building structures and adding my own spin to the build.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Lynnb on November 12, 2018, 09:24:37 PM
You're moving along nicely, I only tend to move at a snails pace. One day I hope to venture into liting my structures, my eyes aren't what they use to be. Thanks for the tutorial on the signs, I think someone may have gave me that program quite a few years back, will have to look.
Lynn,
I tend to work in spells and do find myself working slowly at times. If I didn't have my Opti-visors, I'd be lost on building.
The Irfanview is a great free program.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on November 13, 2018, 11:14:03 AM
Interior light looks nice and even Tom.
I like the paper towel idea. Hot spots can be challenging.
-slim
Slim,
Thank you for the very kind compliment. I came up with the paper towel idea cause even lowering the LED light, I still had a slight "hot spot". Or, maybe the camera just kept burning the light.
Tom ;D
The cafe comes with many pieces of cafe furnishings. I built the Bar Mills Sweaty Betty's restaurant with adding restaurant interior in mind. I planned to use some of the same interior furnishings as the Erie Cafe.
With this in mind, I decided to make some copies of the Erie Cafe interior pieces for my own personal use in Sweaty Betty's.
To make the copies I used Micro Mark RTV mold making material. John Siekirk covered rubber mold making in one of his threads so I won't re-invent the wheel.
My RTV is also nearing the end of the shelf life and I needed to use it.
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I made a box from sheet styrene and added the pieces i wanted to make copies of.
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I mixed the RTV 1:1 with parts A & B. The mix was poured into the box and set aside to dry.
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Back in a few. Need a break and stretch my back.
I need to take more breaks during the day. To long at the workbench!
Okay, four hours later the RTV was removed from the box.
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The original parts were removed from the RTV mold.
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For mixing the RTV, I use Micro Mark plastic cups. The RTV won't stick to the sides.
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Grabbing a Diet Pepsi, back in a few.
I made the copies using the CR-300.
CR-300 cures in 30 minutes and the CR-600 cures in 60 minutes.
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I use 3 oz. Dixie cups to mix the resin. I just trash them after pouring the resin in the mold. Easy clean up in throwing them away after use.
And here we go with the copies.
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Really looking great Tom! The lighting really adds the final touch to a nice build. Thanks again for all of the detailed info during the build.
Quote from: MAP on November 13, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
Really looking great Tom! The lighting really adds the final touch to a nice build. Thanks again for all of the detailed info during the build.
Exactly what Mark said!
Wow, Tom! What a great build so far! Catching up on all your hard and talented work. Thanks for sharing & looking forward to seeing you git 'er done!
R/,
Norm
Nice job on the castings.
I think you forgot to do the ketchup bottles and napkin dispensers Tom.
You never can have too many of those! ;)
-slim
Quote from: MAP on November 13, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
Really looking great Tom! The lighting really adds the final touch to a nice build. Thanks again for all of the detailed info during the build.
Mark,
You are welcome and thank you for the compliment. Another few days and I'll have this one finihsed.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 13, 2018, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: MAP on November 13, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
Really looking great Tom! The lighting really adds the final touch to a nice build. Thanks again for all of the detailed info during the build.
Exactly what Mark said!
Jerry,
Thank you very much.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ndwolf68 on November 13, 2018, 10:42:09 PM
Wow, Tom! What a great build so far! Catching up on all your hard and talented work. Thanks for sharing & looking forward to seeing you git 'er done!
R/,
Norm
Norm,
Thank you, much appreciated. You have a lot of catching up to do my friend. I should have this one finished in a few more days work.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on November 14, 2018, 04:10:57 PM
I think you forgot to do the ketchup bottles and napkin dispensers Tom.
You never can have too many of those! ;)
-slim
Slim,
Nope, to small to mess with and not worth the effort.
Tom ;D
The cafe front has two frame sub assemblies. I painted them Brunswick Green.
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The one on top in the photo is glued on top of the one on the bottom.
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The frame fits on the front wall as shown. It is not glued to the front yet.
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I determined where the second story floor/ceiling fit up against the front wall. I was then able to place four short braces to the upper part of the wall.
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I also determined where the cafe booths would fit next to the front window and added two short pieces of 8x8s to the window wall frame.
This really helped in the front wall not being so warped.
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Next I glued the windows in the front wall openings. I left the protective papers on them so they didn't get finger prints on them.
This of course worked until I got finger prints on them any way. :'(
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Tom
Fantastic work my friend. After the last couple of builds I don't think I will ever have a structure without LED lighting. It just adds so much character.
I placed weights the the windows until the glued dried.
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Diet Pepsi time, back in a few more.
Quote from: S&S RR on November 15, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
Tom
Fantastic work my friend. After the last couple of builds I don't think I will ever have a structure without LED lighting. It just adds so much character.
John,
Thank you for the complement kind sir. I agree about using LEDs for structures. I can't imagine a build without them.
Tom ;D
I installed the bar and stools per the kit instructions. I then added the three booths to the side. Preiser figures were used for the customers.
I also added mustard and ketchup bottles. Coffee cups, sugar dispensers and napkin holders were also added. These all came with the kit and are very tiny, very tiny.
The three front booths were test fitted as well.
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I decided to not add tables to the center. It was just to much and a detail that is hard to see. The back bar is bad enough for viewing at ground level.
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The front booths were then glued in place.
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I then test fit the front wall and when satisfied, it was glued in place. I also made sure it was level.
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After the front wall was thoroughly dry, I added the front door piece.
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In hind sight, I probably should have glued all the walls together first per the instructions. Since I was gong to add the interior details, gluing the walls together first didn't make any sense.
However, I glued my walls to the base as I moved along in the build. Due to this, I had one very difficult time getting the front door aligned with the other two wall sections.
So, my advice to those who will be building the kit, do what you think is best. I know this doesn't help but I can't see gluing all the walls together if a detailed interior is planned.
I will say that it would have been easier to adjust the walls to the base instead of making the adjustment to the front door.
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I added the upper bay window section next. The front door and this section took me a good three hours to get square and glued in place. Again, the bay window section was shaved, sanded and cut to fit the opening.
This had to be done with the idea that it still had to maintain the bay window shape/integrity.
More of this during this part of the build. *(*(&%^#$^*)%)&%()&! And then some.
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This post brings back memories I need to forget. Maybe a little Crown Royal in the Diet Pepsi will help.
Back in a few.
I pealed the protective paper off the front windows and one fell out. I had to glue it in again and of course got some finger prints on the inside. I didn't see the smudge until after the window was in place. :'(
The front window frame was then glued to the front wall.
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The left window and door frame were glued in place along with the Tahope Cafe sign.
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Let there be light.
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What appears to be glue smudges is light reflection/hot spots the camera sees.
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I'll have a little more tomorrow for this thread.
Appreciate all those following along.
Fantastic job Tom, don't worry about the fingerprint, if you ever sell it it will make it worth more because of the artists fingerprint on it ;)
Excellent interior detail Tom.
Quote from: Janbouli on November 15, 2018, 05:46:20 PM
Fantastic job Tom, don't worry about the fingerprint, if you ever sell it it will make it worth more because of the artists fingerprint on it ;)
Jan,
Thank you, I very much appreciate the support. Yes, the finger print, actually the latent print, is on the inside and can't be removed.
It comes at no charge. ;D ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 15, 2018, 05:50:35 PM
Excellent interior detail Tom.
Curt,
My friend, I thank you as always for looking in on the build. I appreciate the support.
Tom ;D
Tom,
The balanced lighting really shows off the excellent interior modeling. This is going to be a real show stopper on your layout. I hope the aisle is wide enough to let people pass each other because this is going to be a spot where visitors stop and blocks it.
Awesome job all around Tom. Really shows your talent, my friend.
Jim
Wow!
Jaime
Simply spectacular! 8)
This will be a great inspiration when I get around to building mine. I need to start looking for a bunch of little people to populate the interior.
Neat.... 8)
Attaboy! Two thumbs up Tom.
-slim
Nice! Very nice!
Killer scene, Tom.
Edward Hopper, eat your heart out.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 15, 2018, 07:47:05 PM
Tom,
The balanced lighting really shows off the excellent interior modeling. This is going to be a real show stopper on your layout. I hope the aisle is wide enough to let people pass each other because this is going to be a spot where visitors stop and blocks it.
Jerry,
Thank you very much. My isles aren't that wide as the layout was built for just two to three people. However, after seeing it lit with the LEDs, I may have to move it to the third level so one can look in and see all the way to the rear.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jimmillho on November 15, 2018, 09:34:32 PM
Awesome job all around Tom. Really shows your talent, my friend.
Jim
Jim,
Thank you Butty, much appreciated. Thank you for the kind compliment as well. 8)
Tom ;D
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 16, 2018, 09:17:06 AM
Simply spectacular! 8)
This will be a great inspiration when I get around to building mine. I need to start looking for a bunch of little people to populate the interior.
Bob,
Your compliment is very much appreciated. I know you want to build yours and you will get to see this one tomorrow.
I do have a few suggestions on the build.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on November 16, 2018, 10:05:52 AM
Attaboy! Two thumbs up Tom.
-slim
Slim,
Thank you. I learned all my illumination skills from you! Although your first attempt to help me with LEDs was a failure. :-X :P
Tom ;D
Quote from: MAP on November 16, 2018, 10:26:38 AM
Nice! Very nice!
Thank you Mark, appreciate you stopping in for a look.
Tom ;D
Quote from: vinceg on November 16, 2018, 11:27:45 AM
Killer scene, Tom.
Edward Hopper, eat your heart out.
Vince,
Thank you for the kind compliment.
I wish my models commanded the prices EH gets for his artistry. 8)
Tom ;D
I got a lot more done today but don't have time to show any of today's progress.
In other news, I knew or suspected I would have an issue with the upper and lower parapet pieces.
These are laser cut as well and also needed to be stained and painted the same as the walls.
These pieces have burned sides from laser cutting. I used an Emory board to remove as much of the "kerf" as possible.
Compare the two below. The top has been sanded.
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The tops also needed to be sanded. In the photo below, the top one has been sanded. You can see the laser burns on the edges of the piece on the bottom.
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Even with the sanding, the stain and paint didn't take as it did on the walls. The color, even with the same color paint, is off.
I'll show this tomorrow.
More in a few.
I made a test fit of the roof and found it just slightly off. Also, the test fit was when I was gluing the bay window in place.
NOTE: This may be due to my not gluing all the walls together first. Just don't know.
You can see the front wall, upper right in the photo, is off.
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I marked it with a pencil and made a small notch cut.
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Now it fits.
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Done for tonight.
Tom,
I read somewhere that ammonia will remove the laser burn marks. I have a small jar and I use Q-tips dipped in the ammonia to remove the burn marks from pieces too delicate to sand. I also like to use the ammonia before I sand the laser cut edges as I find my emery boards stay cleaner and seem to last longer. I'm not sure in your case it would have made any difference with the paint color. I believe the heat from the laser closes the grain and keeps the same amount of paint or stain from being absorbed by the wood fibers that have not been burned by the laser.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 16, 2018, 06:23:29 PM
Tom,
I read somewhere that ammonia will remove the laser burn marks. I have a small jar and I use Q-tips dipped in the ammonia to remove the burn marks from pieces too delicate to sand. I also like to use the ammonia before I sand the laser cut edges as I find my emery boards stay cleaner and seem to last longer. I'm not sure in your case it would have made any difference with the paint color. I believe the heat from the laser closes the grain and keeps the same amount of paint or stain from being absorbed by the wood fibers that have not been burned by the laser.
Jerry,
I've never heard of the ammonia trick, I'll give it a try on my next build. I do agree in believing the laser heat may close some of the grain. Even after sanding, the A&I and paint didn't absorb as did the walls.
The good news is I got it all blended on the model.
Hopefully, I'll have time to add this to the thread with photos later this evening or tomorrow.
Tom ;D
Wow , the details really came together once you sat down the patrons. liting looks fantastic.
Quote from: Lynnb on November 17, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Wow , the details really came together once you sat down the patrons. liting looks fantastic.
Lynn,
Yes, the patrons did make a big difference. The even lighting also makes it look more realistic/fantastic.
Thank you for looking in on the build.
Tom ;D
Yesterday I reported that the laser burns on the edges may be an issue when staining and painting. There was a difference in the appearance after the parts were painted.
However, I was able to blend the A&I and paint to pretty much match the building. I'll explain what I did to achieve the end result but first here are some pictures of all the trim, parapets and upper side boards added.
The next photo is where I left off.
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Trim work all added.
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The roof needs to be finished with a gravel roof. I didn't think the roof pitch was enough to justify a rolled roofing. A few roof details and some additional details need to be added to the model before I can say its finished.
Here is one of the details I'll add to the roof.
I purchased an Inter-Action Enterprises Gas Station and I got the HO Scale roof top AC for the Tahope Cafe.
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The package has two roof top AC units and is made of Resin Impregnated Board (RIB).
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The roof top AC looks dark green in the photos but isn't. It more matches the color in the Inter-Action photo above.
I found a new color at Hobby Lobby. It is Green Zinc Chromate by Model Master. It's almost a perfect match to the photo.
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Hopefully, I'll have more tomorrow.
Tom,
Neat! Never heard of the company, nor have I seen the AC unit like that. I have the Walthers ones, both similar in design to this one, and the more 'modern' ones. I'll try posting pixes later and could use your advice, as a (former?) building inspector, re: where & how many to use on a large frozen food facility.
R/,
Norm
Quote from: ndwolf68 on November 17, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
Tom,
Neat! Never heard of the company, nor have I seen the AC unit like that. I have the Walthers ones, both similar in design to this one, and the more 'modern' ones. I'll try posting pixes later and could use your advice, as a (former?) building inspector, re: where & how many to use on a large frozen food facility.
R/,
Norm
Norm,
Thanks for stopping by. I like the IA roof top AC units as they are more like the old style water cooled units.
Tom Wilson was the building inspector, I retired as the Special Operations Commander (Lieutenant) with the Orlando International Airport. I was actually an employee of the Orlando Police Department for 26 years.
However, Greg DeMayo on our forum will probably be able to help. He will see this post and make a comment for sure.
Tom ;D
I forgot to add the site for Inter-Action. Darryl Jacobs is the owner and his customer service is wonderful.
http://www.interactionhobbies.com/
Everything looks top notch Tom.
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 17, 2018, 04:23:22 PM
I forgot to add the site for Inter-Action. Darryl Jacobs is the owner and his customer service is wonderful.
http://www.interactionhobbies.com/
Thanks for the link. Some fun stuff in there. I especially like the Dustinator.
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Quote from: ndwolf68 on November 17, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
Tom,
Neat! Never heard of the company, nor have I seen the AC unit like that. I have the Walthers ones, both similar in design to this one, and the more 'modern' ones. I'll try posting pixes later and could use your advice, as a (former?) building inspector, re: where & how many to use on a large frozen food facility.
R/,
Norm
Norm,
Thanks for stopping by. I like the IA roof top AC units as they are more like the old style water cooled units.
Tom Wilson was the building inspector, I retired as the Special Operations Commander (Lieutenant) with the Orlando International Airport. I was actually an employee of the Orlando Police Department for 26 years.
However, Greg DeMayo on our forum will probably be able to help. He will see this post and make a comment for sure.
Tom ;D
Norm,
Oh boy....now I have to put on my expert builder hat.....qualifier: I am a builder, not a HVAC guy, but I do have a rudimentary knowledge of the field, the expertise came from the subs I contracted with. ::)
The rooftop HVAC package unit Tom is showing has been very common for commercial structures since the 50's.
The design of the outer shell has changed a bit over the years, so there could be a bit of difference from the ones Tom is modeling in the mid 50's and yours if you are modeling in a more modern time.
The question about the placement and size of the units on the roof is governed by the amount and capacity of the plant. These structures have package units for the freezers or freezer areas and separate units to handle the heating and cooling of the warehouse and office areas of the building.
If you could give me a rough idea of the buildings time frame and specs, I have a HVAC guy that could give me a better idea of what you might need.
Original rooftop cooling towers (the ones where water trickled down a bunch of slats and always had all that green gunk on them) are often found on pre-WWII buildings and I found some made by Rich at RS Laser Kits a few years ago. At that time, he said that he had them in "N" scale, but that he could produce them in a number of sizes for "HO" scale.....website below.
www.rslaserkits.com (http://www.rslaserkits.com/)If you want to chat I can be reached at (407) 834-2183.
Tom,
I missed a few days keeping up but just read through the last four pages of posts. Excellent work on this one! Without tables in the middle of the joint you have an excellent dance floor ready to go!
--George
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Quote from: ACL1504 on November 17, 2018, 04:23:22 PM
I forgot to add the site for Inter-Action. Darryl Jacobs is the owner and his customer service is wonderful.
http://www.interactionhobbies.com/ (http://www.interactionhobbies.com/)
Thanks for the link. Some fun stuff in there. I especially like the Dustinator.
Vince,
You are very welcome. Darryl has some great kits and items that no one else offers.
Tom ;D
Greg,
I appreciate your help on the roof top stuff.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Opa George on November 18, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
Tom,
I missed a few days keeping up but just read through the last four pages of posts. Excellent work on this one! Without tables in the middle of the joint you have an excellent dance floor ready to go!
--George
George,
Thank you for the kind compliment. Dancing, yes, maybe! I tried another two booths and the space just looked to cluttered.
Tom ;D
I'm about 99% finished with the Tahope Cafe.
I installed the windows and doors. The model doesn't sit flat due to the LED lead wires coming out of the bottom.
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I also added a few extra details to the model to give it a more personal ACL1504 touch.
I added exterior plumbing pipes to the rear.
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I enlarged the window opening on the second floor and installed a door. Of course this required me to make the exterior stairs. I still need to add bracing to the 4X4 support posts.
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In place of the rolled roofing, I used 180 grit sandpaper for a gravel roof top. I sprayed it with ACE hardware Gray Primer. After cutting it to fit, I used white glue to glue it in place.
I used Gallery Glass Liquid Leading for the roof sides and walls. Instead of using a toothpick to apply the leading, I used a small paint brush and the task went much faster and neater.
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I also made some roof repairs with the paint brush and the liquid leading.
I cut the roof hatch in half and only used one for the roof. It was installed over the second floor hallway for the roof access. The kit comes with two roof hatches.
I painted the roof hatch with Model Master Jet Exhaust. When dry I used brown and thinner to "muck" it up. I used the same "muck" for the roof top AC unit.
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Call the repair AC guy. The roof top AC unit is leaking!
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I used Floquil Crystal Coat for the water.
I also used HO scale 2 X 12's for the side wall caps. This was also an added feature not included in the kit.
I'll have some final photos in a day to two.
Nice touch with the roof A/C , my son is an Hvac guy, I'll see if he has time to jump up on the roof.
The chimney's look great, whats your technique? I struggle with chimney colors.
Awesome job Tom. The building just keeps getting better.
Hi Tom,
The project is looking great Tom. The roof details are something that most of us would forget about. Looks fantastic.
Love the leaking A/C unit. That's a really nice touch that helps to put a fine build over the top! :D
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 20, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Love the leaking A/C unit. That's a really nice touch that helps to put a fine build over the top! :D
At least it won't catch fire ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great job Tom.
Jim
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At least it won't catch fire ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great job Tom.
Jim
Are you SURRRRE of that Jim?
-slim 8)
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At least it won't catch fire ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great job Tom.
Jim
Are you SURRRRE of that Jim?
-slim 8)
There are no LEDS (from Slim) installed in the HVAC unit. At least not yet ;D ;D ;D
Jim
Tom,
What do you mean, "final photos"? It looks fabulous and these aren't the final photos? I love all the little extra touches that you add. Just beautiful!
Hey Tom:
She's looking great so far. Keep the pics flowing.
Karl
Hey, maybe Raymo can come up with an A/C repair truck to park out front. ;)
Quote from: Lynnb on November 19, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
Nice touch with the roof A/C , my son is an Hvac guy, I'll see if he has time to jump up on the roof.
The chimney's look great, whats your technique? I struggle with chimney colors.
Lynn,
Thank you for the kind compliment. I think I have an AC guy on the roof now.
Chimneys are very easy.
I used the stock chimneys that came with the kit. I added a white wash for the mortar and let dry. The next day I simply dry brushed on some Floquil Freight Car Brown. Any brown or dark red color will do. The key is to dry brush the brick color so it doesn't get into the mortar lines. I then dip the entire chimney into the Hunterline Light Gray A&I. Set aside to dry on a napkin or paper towel. I painted the inside of the chimney and top with flat black.
Easy peasy.
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 19, 2018, 07:09:26 PM
Awesome job Tom. The building just keeps getting better.
Curt,
Thank you my friend, your check is in the mail.
Tom ;D
Quote from: sdrees on November 19, 2018, 07:14:04 PM
Hi Tom,
The project is looking great Tom. The roof details are something that most of us would forget about. Looks fantastic.
Steve,
Thank you, much appreciate the support on the build. This roof will be up front so I needed to add the details.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 20, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Love the leaking A/C unit. That's a really nice touch that helps to put a fine build over the top! :D
Bob,
Thank you my friend. I'm glad you got to see it up close last Saturday. I've thought about a leaky AC unit before but all the other kits had slopped roof tops. I was going to add a leak to the AC unit on Sweaty Betty's but forgot.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jimmillho on November 20, 2018, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 20, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Love the leaking A/C unit. That's a really nice touch that helps to put a fine build over the top! :D
At least it won't catch fire ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great job Tom.
Jim
Jim,
Thank you as well kind sir. This was a fun build and it hasn't burned yet. 8)
Tom ;D
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on November 20, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: jimmillho on November 20, 2018, 10:27:27 AM
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At least it won't catch fire ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great job Tom.
Jim
Are you SURRRRE of that Jim?
-slim 8)
Slim,
I have none of your defective LEDs so the cafe is safe. ;D ;D
Tom
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 20, 2018, 08:55:04 PM
Tom,
What do you mean, "final photos"? It looks fabulous and these aren't the final photos? I love all the little extra touches that you add. Just beautiful!
Jerry,
Thank you for the generous and kind compliment.
Yes, final photos will be posted within the hour. I had to finish up some small details. I like adding extra touches to my kits so they are quite different than the stock ones everyone else builds.
Quote from: postalkarl on November 21, 2018, 08:30:08 AM
Hey Tom:
She's looking great so far. Keep the pics flowing.
Karl
Karl,
Thank you, I very much appreciate your comments and support on the builds. A few more photos to follow.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 21, 2018, 02:07:40 PM
Hey, maybe Raymo can come up with an A/C repair truck to park out front. ;)
Bob,
I agree, a service truck or AC repair truck will be perfect. Raymo, you listening my good and faithful friend?
Bob, do you think I over did the sappiness part? ;D ;D
Tom 8)
The Tahope Cafe is finally finished. This kit was a little harder than I first thought. However, I think I created my own agony since I deviated from the instructions in gluing the five walls together.
I'm very pleased with the overall look of the cafe in the finished model, even without my extra details.
I did forget to mention how I did the exterior plumbing pipes. I used Chooch Enterprises HO Exterior Plumbing Pipes, Part #7117.
I used two, cut them to fit the building and super glued them together. I used Floquil Old Silver and when dry, stained them with Floquil Pine Tar Oil. The pine tar oil is from Floquil's marine color line, no longer available.
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I finished bracing the stairs and second story platform.
I also added the kitchen exhaust unit. I painted it with Floquil Old Silver and while still tacky, added Bragdon Rust powder.
I added the small goose neck over the kitchen door. This goose neck is not lit.
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When I finish a structure, I find a place on the bottom to add the date it was finished. I also add my initials.
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I had a little fun and added my initials to the roof in the form of tar repairs. No one caught this prior to now but they were there on the last postings.
When viewed from the top the T E L is obvious.
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Lastly, I called the AC repair man. He got on the roof to look at the leaky unit.
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His assessment of the leak, "Yep, looks like a permanent leak to me!"
"FINI"
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Beautiful job, Tom. I enjoyed following and picked up some great tips. Thanks very much for posting everything.
Opa George
Another great build under your belt Tom.
Fantastic job my friend. That will make a fine addition to Tahope
Will get over to see it one of these days.
Jim
Hi Tom,
The building looks great Tom, but may I make a suggestion and do some more weathering on the roof. The black color looks to uniform and might be weathered as you did the walls.
Tom,
I hadn't noticed until Steve mentioned it, but I agree some chalk weathering would make the roof look a little better. While you're at it, how about a brass wire handle on that roof hatch? I keep wondering how "Roger the repairman" is going to get down from the roof. These are really small items when taking into account how fantastic the structure is with such a wonderful interior scene. I think anyone would be more than proud to have this on their layout.
Quote from: Opa George on November 21, 2018, 04:51:45 PM
Beautiful job, Tom. I enjoyed following and picked up some great tips. Thanks very much for posting everything.
Opa George
George,
Thank you, much appreciate you following along. Glad you got a few tips from the build.
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 21, 2018, 06:57:25 PM
Another great build under your belt Tom.
Curt,
Thank you as always. I've already started on another build.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jimmillho on November 21, 2018, 09:47:09 PM
Fantastic job my friend. That will make a fine addition to Tahope
Will get over to see it one of these days.
Jim
Jim,
Thank you Butty. You are welcome anytime. Just make sure I'm here.
Tom ;D
Quote from: sdrees on November 21, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
Hi Tom,
The building looks great Tom, but may I make a suggestion and do some more weathering on the roof. The black color looks to uniform and might be weathered as you did the walls.
Steve,
I knew something was missing. I was thinking of a weathered roof and forgot all about doing it.
Anyway, it is done and will post a photo at the end of the thread.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 22, 2018, 07:14:43 AM
Tom,
I hadn't noticed until Steve mentioned it, but I agree some chalk weathering would make the roof look a little better. While you're at it, how about a brass wire handle on that roof hatch? I keep wondering how "Roger the repairman" is going to get down from the roof. These are really small items when taking into account how fantastic the structure is with such a wonderful interior scene. I think anyone would be more than proud to have this on their layout.
Jerry,
I forgot all about finishing the roof. I already started another build and just simply forgot to add the roof weathering. My repair guy can just lift the hatch. ;D ;D
I did add a handle for his convenience though. Thanks for the suggestion. I try to think of everything but "senior moments" happen all to often these days.
Photo to follow.
Tom ;D
Steve and Jerry made a couple of great observations and I agree.
I added a small handle to the top of the roof hatch and weathered the roof.
I dry brushed Floquil Antique White and SP Dark Grey to the roof. I then added just a touch of burnt sienna pastel chalk.
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The weathering was added from front to rear as this is how the roof is slopped.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 21, 2018, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: Lynnb on November 19, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
Nice touch with the roof A/C , my son is an Hvac guy, I'll see if he has time to jump up on the roof.
The chimney's look great, whats your technique? I struggle with chimney colors.
Lynn,
Thank you for the kind compliment. I think I have an AC guy on the roof now.
Chimneys are very easy.
I used the stock chimneys that came with the kit. I added a white wash for the mortar and let dry. The next day I simply dry brushed on some Floquil Freight Car Brown. Any brown or dark red color will do. The key is to dry brush the brick color so it doesn't get into the mortar lines. I then dip the entire chimney into the Hunterline Light Gray A&I. Set aside to dry on a napkin or paper towel. I painted the inside of the chimney and top with flat black.
Easy peasy.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom for the instructions, before I had read them I had the same thoughts in mind to try to think lie an artist, work back to front. I had originally painted them Kaki along with the rest of the castings and then went back yesterday and primed them a white but still found it was difficult to get the primer in the grout lines and didn't want to go too heavy on the brick faces. I then went back with an acrylic off white acrylic wash and the grout lines covered well. I will now follow the rest of your instructions on them.
Nice finishing touch with the Hvac guy on the roof and the weathering although subtle completes the build nicely. :)
Looks much better Tom, I think this crowd gets a number of senior moments. I know I do.
Well done Tom.....nice touch with the a/c guy.....looking forward to seeing it planted in Tahope. 8)
Wonderful build, Tom.
Jeff
Quote from: sdrees on November 22, 2018, 12:12:17 PM
Looks much better Tom, I think this crowd gets a number of senior moments. I know I do.
Steve,
The senior moments come all to often. Thanks for reminding me to do the roof. It does look better.
Tom ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on November 22, 2018, 12:28:37 PM
Well done Tom.....nice touch with the a/c guy.....looking forward to seeing it planted in Tahope. 8)
Greg,
Thank you, much appreciated.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on November 22, 2018, 03:01:53 PM
Wonderful build, Tom.
Jeff
Jeff,
Thank you for the kind compliment on the build. It was fun but I'm happy it's finished.
Tom ;D
Lynn,
Thank you as well. I'm glad I could help with the chimney painting.
Tom ;D
Another blue ribbon build.
The only problem with all these blue ribbon builds is sooner or later you'll run out of wall space to hang all of these ribbons and you'll have to enlarge the man cave and then...........
Quote from: BandOGuy on November 23, 2018, 08:20:51 PM
Another blue ribbon build.
The only problem with all these blue ribbon builds is sooner or later you'll run out of wall space to hang all of these ribbons and you'll have to enlarge the man cave and then...........
Chip,
Thank you for the blue ribbon compliment. There are no blue ribbons on my walls but I do have all the blue ribbon models on the layout.
The City won't let me enlarge the current building so the man cave is all it can be.
Tom ;D