Hi guys.
As I move into the Shadowlands part of my layout I've been thinking about the different mines I would like to build. Top of that list is Jock Oliphant's flotation mine. This featured in a 1974 model magazine with two photographs. In the short blurb it mentioned that Jock based his mine on drawings published in RMC (railroad model craftsman). It doesn't mention which issue. I would love a copy of these plans, or failing this the year and month of the magazine issue to help me track a copy down. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
Have you considered sending an email to RMC to see if they have an index they could consult that would give you the date of the back issue you need?
This came up when googling https://www.biblio.com/book/railroad-model-craftsman-magazine-november-1977/d/1031057769 (https://www.biblio.com/book/railroad-model-craftsman-magazine-november-1977/d/1031057769)
November 1977: Vol. 46, No. 6
It mentions an article on Jock , not sure if this is the plans to that mine though.
Thanks, Jerry - I'll keep that in mind.
Janbouli - the article featuring the plans would need to be pre 1974 (or 1974), as that is when Jock won first place for his flotation mine scratchbuild. The volume you have found is from three years later when Jock again won the craftsmans award for his scratchbuilt version of Freda mine at the Denver NMRA nationals. Another extremely fine build.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
I may have found the articles, yes there are two, of the year and month they may have been published by RMC. I have a paper index that comes or did come with the magazines. Unfortunately I don't have the 1964 series of RMC magazines. At least I couldn't find them at the moment. I scanned the index. This may be what you're looking for.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkingstonemodelworks.com%2FModelrs%2520Froum%2FTmp%2FJock%26%23039%3Bs%2520mine002.jpg&hash=7a29dbe694684d50e3ea312359ed536672591040)
Hope this helps.
Bernd
Just confirmed that those are the correct dates. Did a quick look on E-bay and found that they are available from this seller.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303757416953?hash=item46b95a59f9:g:R0QAAOSwQP5e-A2O (https://www.ebay.com/itm/303757416953?hash=item46b95a59f9:g:R0QAAOSwQP5e-A2O)
Here's a picture of the February issue which would be part two.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkingstonemodelworks.com%2FModelrs%2520Froum%2FTmp%2Ffeb.jpg&hash=d25df117c786dea4abc26322de4ab7b0aec6547b)
Good luck.
Bernd
Mark,
His models he built were on display in Canada.
Check this link...http://cprailmmsub.blogspot.com/2015/11/new-display-in-memory-of-jock-oliphant.html
Don't know if they still have them from 2015...and there are 7 photos to view in that link...2 of that mine for you.
Click on each photo to enlarge them if needed.
Tommy
The original model and plans were done by Gil Melle.
I built my own version decades ago but did not compare to Joc's version.
Long ago destroyed.
Quite large structure when built.
Grab the RMCs on eBay while they are there.
I should have this issue, let me know if you need the plans/article.
dave
I've ordered both from E-bay. He may not have any of that date anymore.
Bernd
QuoteI've ordered both from E-bay. He may not have any of that date anymore.
Thanks for all that information, Bernd!
I knew others would be interested. The flotation mine Jock built is a sensational build - one of the very best I have ever seen. Do you intent to build it?
Buying from the USA is tricky at the moment for me, as USPS has frozen shipping to 21 countries, including New Zealand.
Please let me (us) know what you find when your two copies arrive, as it sounded like it might have been a two part plan.
Cheers, Mark.
QuoteHis models he built were on display in Canada.
Check this link...http://cprailmmsub.blogspot.com/2015/11/new-display-in-memory-of-jock-oliphant.html
Don't know if they still have them from 2015...and there are 7 photos to view in that link...2 of that mine for you.
Click on each photo to enlarge them if needed.
Thanks, Tommy!
I had a quick look and there looks to be some good photos here. I'll have a read up tonight. Apparently he swapped to model ship building.
Cheers, Mark.
QuoteThe original model and plans were done by Gil Melle.
I built my own version decades ago but did not compare to Joc's version.
Long ago destroyed.
Quite large structure when built.
Grab the RMCs on eBay while they are there.
Thanks, Darryl.
I had a go at sizing the model, using the hopper in the photograph as a guide. My overall measurements were 656mm (29") x 245mm (9 1/2"). I don't know how close I got. As mentioned earlier, shipping to NZ is problematic from the USA as present.
Cheers, Mark.
QuoteI should have this issue, let me know if you need the plans/article.
Thanks, Dave.
I would love the plans, article if you could scan and email them to me. I'm not sure if I completely understand the shorthand in Bernd's post of the index, but if 164 and 264 mean January 1964 and February 1964, there might be two articles in two issues.
It sounds like Bernd will have copies soon, too! Maybe Bernd is looking to the yearly challenge? I feel that really would be a challenge! As Darryl mentioned - she's a pretty big structure.
Cheers, Mark.
Here you go: http://www.earlyrail.org/flotation.pdf (http://www.earlyrail.org/flotation.pdf) (11 mb PDF)
I've seen the remnants of flotation mills, particularly one in Bisbee, AZ (for copper). They're definitely big, and lots of concrete footings, tanks, etc.
There might have been a flotation mill at Britannia Beach, BC, too: https://www.britanniabeach.com/britannia-mine-museum/ (https://www.britanniabeach.com/britannia-mine-museum/) That was also a favorite filming location for shows, particularly X-Files. Lots of atmospheric/creepy scenes were filmed there. (It was fun to live in BC and spot X-Files filming locations. I think one episode was filmed in the alley behind the apartment where we stayed for the first month we were there.) Yup, there was a flotation mill there, this also mentions X Files episodes: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0084/3851/3782/files/a-to-z-britannia-low-res.pdf?8223101623668257082
dave
Thanks so much, Dave.
I was pretty close with my dimensions worked out from the hopper in photos. Its a little longer and a little narrower than I thought. With the headframe as in Jock's scratchbuild its about 817mm (32") long and about 214mm (8 1/2") wide - including room for a track in front.
Cheers, Mark.
Speaking of model railroad magazine searches, there's this: http://www.rrmagindex.org (http://www.rrmagindex.org) (There is a very similarly named site. I don't know where they got their data. This has been in operation for more than 10 years.) The data here is all crowd-sourced, so no one can claim copyright ownership and shut it down in the future. It has not been kept up-to-date, but it's still a good place to check.
The original plan was to move this to NMRA as an official activity, including some sort of Achievement Program credit for contributing to the data. Unfortunately, NMRA never took us up on the offer. So this is still running on a machine in my basement.
dave
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on December 20, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
QuoteI've ordered both from E-bay. He may not have any of that date anymore.
Thanks for all that information, Bernd!
I knew others would be interested. The flotation mine Jock built is a sensational build - one of the very best I have ever seen. Do you intent to build it?
Buying from the USA is tricky at the moment for me, as USPS has frozen shipping to 21 countries, including New Zealand.
Please let me (us) know what you find when your two copies arrive, as it sounded like it might have been a two part plan.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
When I get the magazines, there are two, January 1964 and February 1964. So yes there are two articles, I'll see if I want to build it or whether I use parts. I'll see when the issues arrive.
BTW, I sent you a PM.
Bernd
Great looking structure..... 8)
QuoteBTW, I sent you a PM.
Hi Bernd. I've looked everywhere I can think of for that PM and can't find it. Just in case it's a double up, Dave has kindly put both articles up to download. I have printed off the eight pages and put them in a clear file along with my other two photos of Jock's build.
Cheers, Mark.
Following along.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on December 21, 2021, 02:35:23 PM
QuoteBTW, I sent you a PM.
Hi Bernd. I've looked everywhere I can think of for that PM and can't find it. Just in case it's a double up, Dave has kindly put both articles up to download. I have printed off the eight pages and put them in a clear file along with my other two photos of Jock's build.
Cheers, Mark.
The PM should have shown up at the top of the forum. It says "My Messages". It should have shown you have a PM. I'm sure I got the the right person when I sent it.
I was going to copy the articles for you when I got the magazines. I know you guys are having a tough time down there and just trying make life a little easier for you by helping out.
Bernd
Thanks, Bernd.
No - I've checked there. And again. Thanks anyway - I appreciate it. As I said, I have already got a copy now. Enjoy the plans. Its certainly a cool structure.
We haven't got it too bad in New Zealand re COVID19 (touch wood). 13,500 total cases, 49 total deaths, so far. Australia isn't doing too well. We still haven't got Omicron in the community here in NZ. I'm waiting though...Its at the boarders...
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
Any progress to report. 2 1/2 years now.
My much more manageable model.
Hi Darryl.
The modelers forum went down right when I was about to embark on this build. Its still not finished - as I started work on the extension of my empire. I'm attempting to fill a room some 33'x 19.5'with mountains and one large city. The building of benchwork and the laying of track has moved my structure building priorities to bridge construction at the moment, as I am keen to get a good chunk of the main line running. The flotation mill is one of the projects I am most keen to get back too. I made some pretty decent progress before the new benchwork began. Below is a link to my other layout thread on railroad-line.com. This is a more comprehensive thread. You might like to try going back 10 or so pages (page 38) and check out my cannery scratchbuild - another huge project. I also post here on my layout thread - Shadowlands and Tellynott.
https://railroad-line.com/node/21187/page52
Cheers, Mark.