Personally, I'm thankful for the re-release of Red Hook Wharf. This is a kit I've wanted for some time. Missed out on the initial offering. I'm not sure how many original kits are left unbuilt. I know those remaining kits were worth some good coin. Obviously, this will drive the price down on those remaining kits, but this is a Christmas comes way early moment for me in the hobby.
Many thanks to Doug for offering the kit a second time.
Sure wish I had room on my layout for this beauty--I've been wistfully looking at it on eBay for years. But all remaining real estate on the Twin Mountain line is spoken for.
--Opa George
Quote from: Opa George on January 30, 2022, 07:46:43 AM
Sure wish I had room on my layout for this beauty--I've been wistfully looking at it on eBay for years. But all remaining real estate on the Twin Mountain line is spoken for.
--Opa George
Get it anyway and have fun building it. You can then donate to some poor sap that missed out on both issues of this kit 😂
Jaime
Now I don't feel bad about about building and kit bashing the one I have on the shelf - that I was offered $1400 for a few years ago.
I have one sitting on the spare bed behind me. Building it is in the near future for me. I want it to be the focal point/anchor for a 2' x 4' module that might be the starting point for a small 2' x 8' (or more) switching layout. I've been pondering the design though. A bit of design paralysis so to speak. ::)
Quote from: ReadingBob on January 30, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
I have one sitting on the spare bed behind me. Building it is in the near future for me. I want it to be the focal point/anchor for a 2' x 4' module that might be the starting point for a small 2' x 8' (or more) switching layout. I've been pondering the design though. A bit of design paralysis so to speak. ::)
Bob,
Jason Jensen said he'll be building Red Hook to use as the focal point on a peninsula he's adding to his layout. Maybe watching his YouTube video when it comes out will help you with your design. FWIW, I watch all his model railroad videos, seems like I learn something from each.
I've scratchbuild it in 2013. a great fun.
Eric
I have mixed feelings about re-running a limited edition , one side of me says limited is limited , the other says good because kits are meant to be built and not saved to make a profit on them. How do you all feel about this?
Quote from: Janbouli on January 30, 2022, 12:34:10 PM
I have mixed feelings about re-running a limited edition , one side of me says limited is limited , the other says good because kits are meant to be built and not saved to make a profit on them. How do you all feel about this?
I think the rerun is great. It is a great service to modelers who missed a great kit the first time around (like me - I didn't even know about FOS scale when the kit first came out...just ordered mine now). I know it's a disservice to those who buy 10 of them and make a business out of scalping them (I am sure many of us have seen sellers sell the same kit on eBay in back-to-back auctions). But, as you said, the intent is for great products to be built and enjoyed by modelers. But, I believe the kit makers do limited runs to build demand and, more importantly, reduce their own maintenance burden for old kits. I don't think they are really focused on or promising extra value because they're one-of-a-kind-forever. The demand comes from "I'm going to build this many now -- you have to buy 'em before I run out....who knows if/when I will offer them again." People who want to do market speculation can do something else....maybe short pharma stocks.
Like Bob, I want to feature a waterfront peninsula somewhere on my layout. I am thinking that Red Hook will anchor it and will be joined by Emporium Seafood, and perhaps a couple of other things. This new purchase will help drive me to sell off some other kits that I know won't make their way to the layout. I promised myself a zero-sum game on kit inventory at this point. Sokay. I have expected that for a while.
Cheers,
Vince
The value I see in limited run kits is that there aren't many of them around and so if you go to the trouble of putting several hundred hours of work into building one, it should be a feature on your layout that visitors haven't seen before (or have only seen 1 or 2) rather than something that every man and his dog has on their layout. This is one of the main reasons I try to kitbash the hell out of every kit, or better still, scratchbuild. For this reason I don't like to see limited run kits rerun.
Guys - bash the hell out of it!!!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 30, 2022, 04:59:11 PM
The value I see in limited run kits is that there aren't many of them around and so if you go to the trouble of putting several hundred hours of work into building one, it should be a feature on your layout that visitors haven't seen before (or have only seen 1 or 2) rather than something that every man and his dog has on their layout. This is one of the main reasons I try to kitbash the hell out of every kit, or better still, scratchbuild. For this reason I don't like to see limited run kits rerun.
Guys - bash the hell out of it!!!
Cheers, Mark.
I tend to think the same Mark. Although I would like to buy one to build .
Well, that didn't take long. Sold out, both domestic and international. It will be back, but the demand, without a doubt, was there. I wonder what other 'surprises' are in store?
Mark
Quote from: craftsmankits on January 30, 2022, 11:09:12 PM
Well, that didn't take long. Sold out, both domestic and international. It will be back, but the demand, without a doubt, was there. I wonder what other 'surprises' are in store?
Mark
Holy cow....I got the email on Saturday. Less than 48 hours! Glad I got my snout in the trough.
Quote from: Janbouli on January 30, 2022, 12:34:10 PM
I have mixed feelings about re-running a limited edition , one side of me says limited is limited , the other says good because kits are meant to be built and not saved to make a profit on them. How do you all feel about this?
Well, it's nice to have the kit available. But I will always wonder in the back of my mind, " is this new giant limited edition Fos kit going to be available again later ...."
Jaime
Quote from: NEMMRRC on January 31, 2022, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on January 30, 2022, 12:34:10 PM
I have mixed feelings about re-running a limited edition , one side of me says limited is limited , the other says good because kits are meant to be built and not saved to make a profit on them. How do you all feel about this?
Well, it's nice to have the kit available. But I will always wonder in the back of my mind, " is this new giant limited edition Fos kit going to be available again later ...."
Jaime
The advantage of that is that prospectors won't be buying all the kits before builders can get a hand on them.
Quote from: craftsmankits on January 30, 2022, 11:09:12 PM
Well, that didn't take long. Sold out, both domestic and international. It will be back, but the demand, without a doubt, was there. I wonder what other 'surprises' are in store?
Mark
Someone posted online Fos is only making batches of 26 or so at-a-time. Who knows 🤷♂️
Those that have always wanted one and didn't get it when first released better log to Fos website daily....
$70 increase over 10 years isn't too terribly bad.
Jaime
Quote from: Janbouli on January 31, 2022, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: NEMMRRC on January 31, 2022, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on January 30, 2022, 12:34:10 PM
I have mixed feelings about re-running a limited edition , one side of me says limited is limited , the other says good because kits are meant to be built and not saved to make a profit on them. How do you all feel about this?
Well, it's nice to have the kit available. But I will always wonder in the back of my mind, " is this new giant limited edition Fos kit going to be available again later ...."
Jaime
The advantage of that is that prospectors won't be buying all the kits before builders can get a hand on them.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Prospectors likely bought kits not included in the limited run.
Prospector - "Mr. kit maker, I'll for sure buy 25 of those 125 Giant Limited Kits. I'll send my money today".
Mr. Kit Maker - "Sure. No worries. I can always make 25 more."
I'm not saying it happens. I'm saying it could happen.
Jaime
Quote from: ReadingBob on January 30, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
I have one sitting on the spare bed behind me. Building it is in the near future for me. I want it to be the focal point/anchor for a 2' x 4' module that might be the starting point for a small 2' x 8' (or more) switching layout. I've been pondering the design though. A bit of design paralysis so to speak. ::)
Bob,
Attached is a copy of my Red Hook Bay trackplan. I hope this helps.
Mike
Quote from: madharry on January 31, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: ReadingBob on January 30, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
I have one sitting on the spare bed behind me. Building it is in the near future for me. I want it to be the focal point/anchor for a 2' x 4' module that might be the starting point for a small 2' x 8' (or more) switching layout. I've been pondering the design though. A bit of design paralysis so to speak. ::)
Bob,
Attached is a copy of my Red Hook Bay trackplan. I hope this helps.
Mike
Thanks Mike! That will definitely help. I was going to refer back to your thread for inspiration. ;)
As to the discussion at hand I can understand both sides. I don't buy kits for anything other than the fact I think they're really cool and I plan on building them all (I may have to live to 150 or so to accomplish that with what I have). It doesn't really bother me when a limited run kit is released again at a later date although I can see how others might think differently and I fully respect that they might be upset about it.
Wondering how many model railroad craftsman kit builders there are in this wide world? Do we number a hundred thousand, tens of thousands, or possibly just thousands? (I can't imagine much less than that.) Most of the other model railroading kit builders I know prefer plastic Walthers type kits. That knowledge would surely have an effect on the relative wisdom of re-releasing old kits.
--Opa George
I think it's a great re-release for four reasons. Firstly, it's an awesome kit. Nothing else to it.
Secondly, it's in the name of celebration, therefore a one off. I know there will not be any re-releases of other kits.
Thirdly, this kit was premium ammo for scalpers on eBay. Anything to cut scalpers off at the neck is always going to be a good thing.
Finally, it's an awesome kit ;)
Very happy to see this one available again.
8 buildings for $400 is a bargain at $50 a building.
The interesting thing about laser-cut kits is there isn't much 'economy of scale'. So cranking out another 25 kits probably costs about the same per kit as the previous 100 kits.
The people most hurt by re-running a limited kit are those who plan to resell theirs.
dave
hey Craftsman kits:
sound good. Enjoy it.
Karl
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on January 31, 2022, 01:58:14 PM
I think it's a great re-release for four reasons. Firstly, it's an awesome kit. Nothing else to it.
Secondly, it's in the name of celebration, therefore a one off. I know there will not be any re-releases of other kits.
Thirdly, this kit was premium ammo for scalpers on eBay. Anything to cut scalpers off at the neck is always going to be a good thing.
Finally, it's an awesome kit ;)
My thoughts exactly...it's a model railroad kit. No offense to speculators and resellers...but it's a model railroad kit. If more people are dying for them, let Doug make the money he deserves for his awesome designs. They can go play with bitcoin or something more traditional.