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Title: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 26, 2024, 01:11:32 PM
I don't know if this qualifies as a diorama because I am redoing an existing scene on my layout. This isn't really a scratchbuild either since it isn't a structure. Anyway, I decided to place it here and here we go...

I have a three track stub end classification yard on the lower level of the middle peninsula of my layout. I wanted to put all of my passenger cars on the layout and the ones that weren't in designated trains sort of ended up here at the ends of the three tracks of the yard.

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Here is the same area with the cars moved out.

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If you have followed my posts, you know that I am a big fan of Cliff Power's work on his layouts. On his old Magnolia Route layout, Cliff had a beautifully modeled coach yard. The idea of a modeled coach yard really appealed to me and in doing research on the web it was difficult to find any pictures of prototype or modeled coach yards except for Cliff's. A picture of his exceptional work is below.

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To get started on my coach yard I had to figure out the width and length of the platforms. When laying the track in my yard I left a one inch space between the cork roadbeds of the tracks. After scraping up the ballast between the tracks I cut a one inch wide piece of cardboard to fit in the space.

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With the cardboard as a base I measured between the tracks and found out I could have a 1 1/4 inch wide platform. I wanted to use thin styrene for the platform surfaces so I made a small 6 inch long platform to see how it would look. As you can see below, I guess-estimated the heigth of the overhead pipes and made a sample platform piece.

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Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: deemery on May 26, 2024, 01:19:47 PM
Jeff, the last 3 images did not come through.  Can you double-check the filenames?  When adding a file on-line, it's best to use ONLY numbers, letters, dashes and underscores.  Spaces (or tabs) in particular cause lots of problems.

dave
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 26, 2024, 01:30:49 PM
I placed the sample platform piece next to some of the passeenger cars and found that the pipes were too high. This gave me valuable info for proceeding with the actual platforms. The material that I will use for the overhead pipes is as follows- I used 1/4 inch drinking straws for the red steam pipe and 1/8 inch wood skewers for the small compressed air line. I wanted to also put a third pipe in to represent an electrical feed, but decided I didn't have the room for three.

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I cut pieces of cardboard and placed them between the tracks to figure out how long to make the platforms. The two long ones are about 44 inches long and the shorter one is about 25 inches long.

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Next I cut the styrene pieces to fit onto the cardboard bases. I also scribed some concrete section lines on the styrene at this time. Using the back edge of my #11 blade I made the lines as far apart as the width of my 6 inch metal ruler. It was starting to look like something at this point.

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After gluing the styrene to the cardboard base I took the pieces outside and used rattle can grey primer to give the platforms a base color.

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After letting the spray paint dry I brushed on a light grey chalk paint. I didn't put a real heavy coat on, I wanted some of the darker grey to be seen through the lighter chalk grey color. I then used some pastel chalks to weather the platforms and to highlight the scribed section lines. You can see the difference in the picture below

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That's it for now, more later.



Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: Vietnam Seabee on May 26, 2024, 01:37:03 PM
Jeff...great sbs. 5 images came thru for me. The first image is going to help me on a passenger car I judt took down from my orphan shelf. I needed some ideas on weathering the roof snd your pic helps
Terry
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: Vietnam Seabee on May 26, 2024, 01:39:05 PM
Jeff...your images came thru on your first post but none came thru on the second post
Terry
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 26, 2024, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: deemery on May 26, 2024, 01:19:47 PMJeff, the last 3 images did not come through.  Can you double-check the filenames?  When adding a file on-line, it's best to use ONLY numbers, letters, dashes and underscores.  Spaces (or tabs) in particular cause lots of problems.

dave

Quote from: Vietnam Seabee on May 26, 2024, 01:37:03 PMJeff...great sbs. 5 images came thru for me. The first image is going to help me on a passenger car I judt took down from my orphan shelf. I needed some ideas on weathering the roof snd your pic helps
Terry

Hello Dave and Terry, I hope all of the pictures are there now. Terry, I have to admit that some of the weathering you are seeing on the roofs of my cars is just dust. They all need to be cleaned up, but it doesn't look too bad, I might just leave them as they are.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: Vietnam Seabee on May 26, 2024, 01:55:20 PM
All came through for me
Terry
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: deemery on May 26, 2024, 02:00:43 PM
Jeff, the photos came through.  A comment on coloring concrete:  I've found it looks good to add a very small amount of olive paint to your concrete color (I like unbleached titanium as a good starting point.)  Of course, concrete comes in various shades of white and beige, and then weathers unevenly.  So there's probably "no single right answer."

dave
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: Zephyrus52246 on May 26, 2024, 07:15:02 PM
Coach yard is looking good so far.  You're correct that Cliff Power's work is outstanding. 

Jeff
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 27, 2024, 10:21:01 AM
Hello Terry and Dave, I'm glad that all the pictures finally came through. It seems that it takes a while for all of the pictures in a post to get to where they are supposed to go. I don't put more than 5 pictures in a post for this reason.

Dave, thanks for the tip on coloring concrete and I'm really enjoying your row house pictures.

Hello Jeff, thanks for looking in. Cliff's work is an inspiration to me and I have tried to copy his work more than a few times on my layout.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 28, 2024, 06:35:51 PM
Continuing on...

Here is a picture of the overhead piping support stands. I used 3/32 wood dowels for the posts and 1/8x1/8 styrene angle for the top part. I dipped the wood pieces in my A&I solution and then painted the bottom area with red craft paint. I used super glue to attach the styrene to the wood. Any time that I have dis-similiar materials to join together I use super glue. I also painted the styrene with the same red paint. As you can see, I made plenty. The sample portion of platform that I built had the pipes about 3/4 of an inch above the roofs of the passenger cars, I thought this was too much, so I shortened the posts by 1/2 inch. This places the pipes just above the car roofs and gives a more pleasing appearance in my opinion.

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I glued the painted and weathered platforms in place on the layout. I then drilled holes just big enough for the pipe stands and glued them in place. I spaced the pipe stands 6 inches apart, no reason other than they looked right to me.

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A closer look at the in place pipe stands

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If you look at the picture of Cliff Powers coach yard, you will see that he placed tall power poles on his platforms. I decided to use some more of the yard light towers that I had used in my engine service areas. These light towers are from Details West and can be ordered from Walthers. I first sprayed the parts with rattle can grey primer and then assembled the metal towers using super glue. I then painted them with craft paints. The towers come two to a pack and are reasonably priced. These are non-working lights.

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I placed the light towers so that they would be between the overhead pipe lines. I tried several different ways of joining the pipe materials together and finally decided to just use blue painters tape which I painted the same color as the pipes. I sprayed the drinking straws that I used for the larger steam pipes with a rattle can flat red primer and the smaller wood dowels with a light grey primer. In the picture below the pipes are glued in place and some detail castings have also been glued onto the platforms. I backed some cars in place to see how everything looked and I'm very pleased so far.

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That's it for now, more later.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on May 29, 2024, 01:02:02 PM
 Jeff,
Your modeling of a coach yard looks great. Don't see that detail added on many layouts. Remember many prototype ones on the south side of Chicago growing up. The Sante Fe had one near my dads work place. You can still google it to see old photos from the past.
 Tommy
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 30, 2024, 08:45:12 AM
Hello Tommy, thanks for looking in. I got interested in modeling a coach yard after seeing pictures of Cliff Power's work. While researching the project I had trouble locating pictures of any prototype coach yards showing platform details. I would appreciate any info regarding pictures. Where was the Sante Fe coach yard you spoke of ? Thanks in advance for anything you can show me.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: GPdemayo on May 30, 2024, 10:24:24 AM
Great redo of the space Jeff..... 8)
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: ReadingBob on May 30, 2024, 12:14:40 PM
Coming along nicely!  Like Greg said, great redo of an existing area.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: ACL1504 on May 30, 2024, 12:27:28 PM
Jeff,

The coach yard is looking good. Great to see it coming together. One day, maybe, I'll get around to mine.

Tom 
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 30, 2024, 01:03:23 PM
Hello Tom, it's nice to hear from you. I'm looking forward to your coach yard as well.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 30, 2024, 01:19:00 PM
Continuing on...

Another look at the back platform. I didn't put many detail castings on the long platforms because they won't be seen after the passenger cars are put back in place.

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A drone view of the coach yard with all of the pipes and platform details.

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A ground level view of the coach yard

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A closer look. There are more details on the front platform because this will be seen all the time. Many of the detail castings came from Details West. The quality of these castings is very high- there was little to none flash to clean up before painting.

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The cross track pipe rack was built with material from my styrene parts stash. I put it together with super glue and then painted it with a rattle can dark camo color and then weathered it with some pastel chalks. The bend in the red pipe is the flexible part of the drinking straw and the smaller pipe bend is a piece of plastic sprue painted to match the wood dowels.

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Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: Keep It Rusty on May 31, 2024, 07:42:48 AM
Looking fantastic, Jeff!
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 31, 2024, 04:59:49 PM
Hello Craig, thanks for looking in and for the kind words.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on May 31, 2024, 05:16:48 PM
A closer look at the cross tracks pipe rack. I didn't want to continue the overhead pipes all the way to the engine service area boilerhouse, so I scratchbuilt a little structure with the pipes coming into the roof as if the rest of the pipes were underground. I don't know how prototypical this is but I'm applying Rule #1 here.

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Here is the front platform with passenger cars backed in. I'm glad that I shortened the height of the pipe stands, I think everything looks better with the pipes just above the roofs of the cars.

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A drone view of the coach yard with the cars. I'm very happy with how my coach yard came out. The area is still a storage place for my extra passenger cars on the layout where they can be seen and now the area has some purpose.

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Another look from above. The car roofs are more dusty than weathered, but to my mind they look good.

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A ground level look across the top of the coach yard. A final shot, I'm very happy with my coach yard. It's a nice addition to my layout and it's one that you don't see very often. Thanks again to Cliff Powers for the inspiration.

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Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: craftsmankits on August 11, 2024, 09:32:53 PM
That came out really nice.  Might have to try that one day.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: GPdemayo on August 12, 2024, 09:31:18 AM
Looks great Jeff..... 8)
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on August 12, 2024, 10:16:58 AM
Hello Mark and Greg, thank you for taking the time to comment on my coach yard project thread. It was a lot of fun to build and once again, I have to thank the amazing Cliff Powers for the inspiration.
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: Jerry on August 14, 2024, 12:24:11 AM
Beautiful work!!  Great coloring on those pipes.

Jerry
Title: Re: Building a coach yard
Post by: nycjeff on August 14, 2024, 06:45:43 PM
Hello jerry, thanks for looking in and for the kind words. The pipes in my coach yard were flexible drinking straws and wooden skewers. I used rattle can flat red and grey primers as a base coat and then dry brushed several rust colors for the final look.