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Thanks for stopping by.

As a newly migrated member from the recently demised Railroad Lines Forum, I was happy to discover this forum. I was even happier to see so many  familiar names and profile pics already here.

This site is the new home of the North Coast Railroad.

The Prototype is the now defunct Rome Watertown & Ogdensberg Railroad, (RW&O) that ran near the shores of Lake Ontario. The Great Lakes are considered by many "The North Coast" of the United States. The model version takes a great deal of artistic license.

First off, the NCRR is in narrow gauge, HOn3. The boundary limits of modeling run between the  city Lake Ontario port city of Oswego, NY, heading west to Sodus Bay and into the Upstate New York "fruit basket" orchards and produce growing regions of Wayne County.

As such it serves a number of industries found along the way, the fishing industry, import and export across the border, including a ferry. it features Great Lakes grain transport and storage, including Malt production for brewing beer. It supports carpet and fabric mills, sport fishing, boat building, and a USCG guard light house. Further west are the fruit orchards, cold storage  facilities, vinegar production and the canning industry.

 It's all in my 9x9' basement hobby room, just a few miles from Lake Ontario and the old RW&O right of way.

Like so many modelers, I run hot and cold in my building interests so sometimes there is a flurry of lake effect model building, other times a drought, nothing at all. Its been damn near a year for any progress. Maybe a new forum is just the fuel the North Coast needs to move forward.

Likely I will be posting some of the highlights from the old forum as a bit of retrospect.

On the old forum, there was a bunch of fellow members named Dave. So as to not be confused with any of the great modelers already here, I'll continue the tradition of being known as:

"Fifth Dave on the right"

I'll be watching and joining in with HOn3 subjects.

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Bernd

 THIS IS A TEST. Had it been an actual emergency, you would have been directed to go into the basement and work on model trains. Its either that or stick your head between your legs and pray. Here is a semi-final track plan that has been developed over the years.
REPEAT ... THIS IS ONLY A TEST

It turns out, the track plan is actually two plans in one. There is a feature for continuous running, with a reversing loop under the steps. When I was designing it, I did not even realize it had that ability until some one on RRL pointed it out to me. There was a lot of design input form members to help the plan along to it's preset form. I'm appreciative of all their contributions.

 A closer look reveals  point to point trackage from the deep water harbor in Oswego, in the lower right corner, counter clockwise past the yard to the ferry slip and inter-island passenger station on the dock.
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The back drop shown is about nine feet wide on the center wall. It took about two years to paint the entire backdrop. There are curved corners helping to make a seamless transition from wall to wall, to the right and left of it. I tried to be conscious of "where is the sun" and the aspect of where are the shadows and highlights accordingly.
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In the first post, I mentioned the  HOn3 North Coast Railroad is based on an actual standard gauge railroad, the Rome Watertown and Ogdensberg line that eventually was consolidated into the New York Central. Portions of it still exist  today and its  industries are serviced by the Ontario Midland  Railroad.

In the 1/87 version it is a narrow gauged version, that escaped  buyout by the NYC and underwent consolidation,  downsized  to the most profitable trackage from the harbor of Oswego, New York, west to Sodus Bay and finally west into the fruit belt and canning industry  regions of Wayne County, NY.

In reality, after many years of my life PLANNING a logging railroad, I realized I HATE MAKING TREES!. So structures became the focal point of the North Coast Railroad.

Inspirations for the design came from many places viewed over the course of my life, the harbor of Buffalo New York, where I grew up, Mystic Seaport Museum, from Oswego, NY , New England coastal harbors and SEVERAL bottles of Tequila. (Which probably explains why there aren't many straight lines in the track plan.)

, I got a little carried away after painting the walls of the railroad room, because I didn't stop at the walls. ( likely  the afore mentioned Tequila had something to do with that);. I thought of how my sky stopped, but in the real world,  kept on going upward and in every direction.

With that thought  in mind, when storms come in over the real Lake Ontario there are no walls to stop them.  They boil overhead in torment ( like my wife upstairs smelling paint fumes). I figured those storms don't need to stop at my walls either,  particularly  that the ambiance is improved by out of balance  laundry machines in the next room, that sound like a  thunder storm,  So I continued the storm onto the ceiling. Why not take the illusion a bit further. After all. It's only make believe.IMG_4316.JPG 

From when this photo was taken, it has been improved upon. with a few more hours of tequila.........  I mean  hours of painting.

Fifth Dave on the right

Oh, this is bloody marvellous.

Dave #5,

Love your track plan and the stormy skies. Well done. Thanks for sharing and I'm on the front row for this one.

Tom 

Welcome and thanks for posting Dave, I'll be looking in on your adventure..... 8)

Dave thanks for bringing your layout adventure over here. The backdrop looks really good
and I have to say I've never seen someone extend it onto the ceiling before; neat idea.
I'll be checking in watching your progress.

Howdy Dave,

The layout diagram looks terrific.  The dramatic backdrop and sky enhance the scene.  Excellent work.

Have fun,
mike

A few years into the railroad progress brought us to slow development of the Oswego NY port area in general in the first picture. Structures have been shuffled around somewhat from that point in time.  The second photo shows one of the more unique structures of grain transfer harbors, the Marine Tower with its unloading leg extended into the hold of  "The Langell Brothers" a Sylvan Models freighter.  The third picture is a prototype tower still standing in the Buffalo NY harbor. IMG_3787.JPG
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Here's one more photo of the Marine tower as it progressed over time.
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I'm over here too, Dave.  That's a nice looking backdrop and the marine tower us an impassive structure.

George

Quote from: Mr. Critter on February 01, 2025, 11:49:31 PMOh, this is bloody marvellous.

It is!  I especially like your track plan with water edging most of the interior layout edges.  Along with the painted ceiling, one can imagine one's self as a giant in the middle of a body of water.  Your structures are also praise-worthy.

Thanks to all for the kindness of your responses.
Mark, you hit exactly on the concept of the entire scene. "You" are sitting in the middle of Oswego Harbor. It's Fall, October 25 of 1951,(my birthday) with another nasty fall, low pressure storm coming out of Canada, across Lake Ontario.

It will be a  busy Fall harvest season along the North Coast of New York, and the railroad that serves it.. There are  plenty of fruit and vegetables in  orchards and fields to the west of Oswego, needing attention., The crops have to be brought in. Canneries are working around the clock at full capacity. The cold storage units along the right of way, will keep more fruit from spoiling until the canneries can process them.

Commercial fishing on the lake still has some time left before the fish go deep, and the cold lake becomes iced over. The tourist boats in Sodus Bay have only  what is left of fall colors to lure more passengers  before they get sored for winter . Soon enough, the only boats will be just personal craft for residents of the nearby shores, and islands until the bay freezes over. At that point, not even the wind  will be making waves .

..... and the only noise will be my wife yelling " What the hell are you  doing in the basement all night AGAIN! You were supposed to be doing laundry!"

Another modeler on this forum recently was building the Thomas York gas station. York had a certain genius about his products to use the same parts for many structures.
 
At some point in the past I realized that commonality and imagineered a new structure. This is a cut and past version of what will be the Sodus Bay Station. I have some work done to the actual model which is below that. I stretched the left building wider to allow room for a freight door instead of the people door. Obviously it has a way to go yet before it gets mounted to the cove  steam boat wharf, but  at least you can see the general direction of where the project is headed.

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Howdy Dave,

Nice kitbash project.  I see what you mean about Thomas Yorke structure kits.

Have fun,
mike

Nice coloring of the stones, Dave.

George

this looks to be a great one. That backdrop is nuts! I really like the track plan and the vision of a little Shay dwarfed by those waterfront structures.

Dave it's really looking great.  Glad you started it back up over here.

Jerry

Dave,

Great looking station and well done kit bash.

Tom 

Thank for the comments and compliments guys.

In response to "Cuse"... Most modelers seem to use the theory of selective compression to make small areas look vastly larger. Small buildings tend to be the rule.  At some point I must have thought in opposition to that.. ( tequila makes me ornery) because I wanted the track and trains to be dominated by squeezing between the buildings, as if that was the only possible path the rails could have taken if it was in the real world.

Of course, in reality, real railroads don't exist without product or people being transported along its rails. I wanted industries  that actually existed, both big and small, but to have them all unified as examples of the commerce  that the real  RW&O serviced in the prototype area. Last count was about 60 buildings or structures of some type will be placed. The selection process includes the point that in a prototype, people lived there, so buildings that existed supported the residents that worked those industries.

Years back, Malcolm Furlow  was a star in our modeling world, he taught us to think vertically. I tried to apply those lessons on the North Coast with tall structures, not just long structures. Currently Mark Dalrymple, from down under, also inspires me  in the same way currently with how he crams so many things into  such limited space, but somehow make makes it all look plausible. Great stuff. (Or is it great stuffing?)

Neat station Dave..... 8)

 few years ago, I was playing with a molding product that was reusable, similar to Composimold, sold at Arts and Crafts stores. Its good for very small quantities. It become liquid by heating in the Microwave, then poring it over the master part.

 Since using plaster or Hydrocal creates heat, it quickly destroys the detail within the mold. But being reusable you can always reheat it, and repour to create another, or other molds.

I used the process to create stone walls for the harbor area, which is seen below. IMG_1901.JPGIMG_20200420_094500876.jpgThe coloration process as process had several steps from primer, shadows, stone colors to finally moss at the water line.

In the center, you'll observe that is an actual  perfectly flawless rock.

 My understanding of its creation, was, that it took GOD millions of years to create it, but granted, he had to make enough for the whole universe!
Frankly,  I had neither that much time, nor need that many for my imaginary universe, so I cheated.

I used Dental Plaster.  I will  probably catch Hell for it some da.!

Great to see you posting again Dave.  Have always liked your work.
The above reminds me of Rubbles Station.
Yes, Tom Yorke has some great designs.  I scratchuilt copies of two of his designs on my Mexican layout and sort of kitbashed another, from some walls a mate scratchbuit from another design, and gave to me, which is on the layout extension.

Rob. You are spot  on with your observations of it's origin.. It is a combination of two Thomas York kits. Both the Rubbles Station and Shortline Stone Station were kit bashed into one structure. The inspiration for bashing  came from an FSM kit.

I bought both kits from "Dr.Ben". He was kind enough to sell some additional parts to create it, including an extra wall to widen the  the baggage building and a tower cylinder as well. He even threw in a bunch of castings at no additional charge.

It will end up on the steam boat wharf in the what I refer to as "the cove" of Sodus Bay. Originally I was considering putting the "Highland Station" kit there, but decided the Rubbles kit bash looks better. It would seem to be  a structure capable withstanding the wind and waves coming in off the Lake Ontario, Additionally, the extended  height of watch tower gives it more of a lighthouse impression.

Thanks for the interest to all who are following or even glancing in from time to time.

Fifth Dave to the Right

Dave,

I remember you talking about that on the RR-L. Looks like great material for quick small molds.

Bernd

Great work Dave! My nearest fellow modeler is an hour away. Makes it a lonely hobby at times but I push on as you do also. It it wasn't for these forums and friends I'd get out.

Philip

There is someone in the Rochester who modelers the same area, but in a different era and scale.  I'll be damned if I can track him down though.

I took a "short cut" to my son's auto shop today. Added about a half hour travel time, but gave me a chance to see some of what is left of real rails that once were the Railroad in my story line.

Before the Ontario Midland,... before Chessie,... before Conrail,... before the New York Central .... Before the DL&W,  It was the Rome Watertown and Ogdensburg. It's nickname of the section I model, was "the Hijack Line"  ( edit Hojack) although the story behind that nickname  has multiple variations (all of which claim to be correct version of course.)

Anyway. Back to the present.

 Interesting to see a diesel idling on the line in an area when there is several cold storage warehouses. I soon discovered why it was sitting there. It WAS pushing a box car into a siding."WAS" bring the operative word, till the box car took a detour through the siding switch because of the rails being iced. So the lead truck decided to split the difference, and was on the ground today.

From the footprints, shovel and re-rail frog, it looks like the crew went to lunch.

So keep in mind when our scale models go off the rail, sometimes prototypes are closer  than we realize.

Dave,

Isn't that supposed to be Hojack Line not Hijack Line?

Bernd

Damned auto spell!

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Early on, in the life of plans for the North Coast Railroad,  I was able to get hold of the RDA Hermanson Mill. It's an all plaster casting.  I just always loved  all that stone work.
. After the basic primer went on, and the initial colors of stone were added, I glued the structure together. Of course, there were gaps, I filled that with modeling putty to make sure that no gaps existed.

The roof as shown, was unfinished at the time  of the picture. It took a few rolls of Campbells shingles.  At the moment,  with the exception of details like crates  and scenery details, it is finished and awaiting placement when the time comes.End wall.JPGIMG_1226.JPGHemanson all walls 1.JPG

Howdy Dave,  Wow, what an excellent structure.  The stone coloring looks fantastic.  Is it mounted on the layout?  Have fun, mike

Not mounted quite yet. There is some track and sensor locations below it that need wiring up first.

 I had not originally decided its purpose, until I studied the history of area industries. The Real North Coast area is blessed with an abundance of fruit orchard and vegetable farms. In particular it is the largest producer of apples and cabbage.

With those raw materials it is no wonder there are major canneries and multiple cold storage units that still exist to this day. Motts, famous for Juice and apple sauce makes its home here, as is one of  the Fleischmann's Vinegar plants and Silver Floss Sauerkraut nearby.

So with that background in mind, the Hermanson's mill will become a vinegar and pickling plant, in "Williamson" area, on the hill, just to the left of the entrance. It will require a tank farm to go along with lots of tall tanks and piping suppling them it.



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Looking good, Dave.

I still have Hermanson's mill in a box 3/4 done.  I did some serious bashing on it.  I remember it being a fun project.

Cheers, Mark.

Quote from: Dave Buchholz on February 08, 2025, 10:05:35 PMEarly on, in the life of plans for the North Coast Railroad,  I was able to get hold of the RDA Hermanson Mill. It's an all plaster casting.  I just always loved  all that stone work....

I have a couple of RDA's plastic kits on my layout, but I didn't recall them doing plaster kits too.  Looks good.

JBVB, to my limited knowledge, the Hermanson Mill was the only plaster kit that they made. At least it is the only one I've ever seen.  I have not seen it reoffered by the company that bought their operation.

I mentioned in the prior post about creating a Vinegar and pickling plant. I bought a few piping kits from Walther's to interconnect the tanks. I will try repairing and repainting  the stone ice house to match the building. As well as direct all the piping to it as it becomes the new pump house control building.

This photo is an updated photo. The roof is on, and the vinegar tanks are in the proposed but not finalized positions.  The background storm has been added to as well.IMG_4633.JPG

One of the structures in the actual port of Oswego, was the building below,. "Cahill Fish" was a commercial fishing company, that fished Lake Ontario with the last Great Lakes Fishing Tug ever launched, the Eleanor D.

 Sylvan Models makes a version in 1/87 with three different Bridge configurations. I'm saving one of the bridges for the big grain ship in my harbor.

 RDA also makes a stone building of almost identical but smaller design. ( Already selectively compressed for the North Coast.) They will both be featured on the North Coast90744471_10157253816210186_1545477963523293184_o.jpg 

Here's the models of both the Fishing Tug  from Sylvan  and what will be the North Coast version of Cahill Fish in Oswego, made by RDA IMG_4637.JPGIMG_4636.JPG

Dave your stonework is excellent.  I like the tug and looking forward on how you do it.

Jerry

Heck of a layout Dave! Nice work!

Dave what a great looking layout so far. Love all your "stone work' which really pops against your backdrop and stormy skies.

Thank you all for the positive comments. If at any point, you have any suggestions or constructive criticism along the way, please feel free to air them here.

Hermanson in Plaster is a much better looking kit than Hermanson in plastic.  The problem I have is that I went a bit overboard carving out the window openings.  Jim Mooney (Bar Mills) gave me a set of laser cut windows for that.  I need to find a spot on the layout for that project.

dave

I had seen where a modeler set the windows from the inside. I went the easier route with outside mounting.
I agree the plaster kit has much greater relief in the stonework than does the molded plastic version. Night to day difference.

( Or is it night AND day?)

Dave.

In many ways, I'm disappointed in myself that so far, all I am reposting here, are pictures of things I've done in the past. Nothing is current. Hopefully, the posting process, and the encouragement of my fellow modelers here, will get me off the couch.

 In the meantime....

When I was planning control panels, I wanted to make sure a visual representation of routes was obvious to the "engineer" I decided upon dual color LEDS. red/green at turnout locations to show where train is going. So this is the panel for the harbor area, there are toggles for Tortoise turn out motors, and for block controls. the path then becomes obvious by the green/red lightsIMG_3856.JPG

Been doing slow and boring, but methodical work on the second of three control panels. The current project is the panel for  the main yard in the center of the layout.

Quote from: Dave Buchholz on February 25, 2025, 08:12:32 PMIn the meantime....

When I was planning control panels, I wanted to make sure a visual representation of routes was obvious to the "engineer" I decided upon dual color LEDS. red/green at turnout locations to show where train is going. So this is the panel for the harbor area, there are toggles for Tortoise turn out motors, and for block controls. the path ios obvious by the green lightsIMG_3856.JPG

God Dave that looks like a traffic circle in New Jersey!!!!  :) ;D
Just kidding!
Your work is great.

Jerry

The FAA already told me to "Knock it off" snd stop messing up their flight patterns. They have enough trouble as it is.

Quote from: Jerry on March 06, 2025, 01:27:54 PM

Quote from: Dave Buchholz on February 25, 2025, 08:12:32 PMIn the meantime....

When I was planning control panels, I wanted to make sure a visual representation of routes was obvious to the "engineer" I decided upon dual color LEDS. red/green at turnout locations to show where train is going. So this is the panel for the harbor area, there are toggles for Tortoise turn out motors, and for block controls. the path ios obvious by the green lightsIMG_3856.JPG

God Dave that looks like a traffic circle in New Jersey!!!!  :) ;D
Just kidding!
Your work is great.

Jerry

There was an infamous Jersey Traffic Circle that looked kinda like this in Eatontown NJ.  A guy ran around someone stopped at the red light and plowed into my wife's car.  He went to court to try to beat the ticket.  Wife was on the stand, guy's lawyer asked "And did my client stop to help you after the accident?"  Wife:  "No, the gentleman over there did [this was the person -stopped at the light-]"  The lawyer gave his client a filthy look and said, "No more questions, your honor."  In the judge's summation, that's where I learned the legal term for "liar" is "testimony is not credible."  

dave

Hello Dave, your track control panel design looks like a bird in flight. Seriously though, nice work.

The pattern was created by taking an overhead picture of the actual trackwork.
I loaded the picture onto my laptop, then loaded it into good old Windows Paint.

First I saved it down to 16 colors.
 Then S-L-O-W-L-Y reduced it to black and white.

I own a vinyl cutter. I loaded the final version of the drawing into the cutter program to produce the white vinyl skin to apply to the black background.

Dave,

That's a nice looking and useful panel.  Puts me in mind of the now-gone Can o' Worms in Rochester. 

Mike

Thanks Mike and Dave,

...as well as all who have shown interest in the progress of the North Coast Railroad, both here, on its new home on the Modeler's Forum, and is old home on RRL Forum.

 As mentioned earlier this morning, it started out as simply an overhead picture in my Camera, so it is the absolute exact design of the area.1 power and insulator diagram.jpg

 After reducing it to black and white, and running the result through a vinyl printer, drilling all the holes. Inserting toggles, inserting bulbs, screwing up a few times testing and wiring them, then pinning into 25 pin " D " connectors,  the back side ended up like this.  There is more wiring for the block controls that I've been working on of late, to a point that the  block feeder lines  simply need connection from the "D" pin under the layout , up to the rails.

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Nice work on the panel, Dave.  Vinyl is a great way to do the graphics.  What type of cutter do you have?

George

Quote from: GeorgeD on March 08, 2025, 08:19:13 PMNice work on the panel, Dave.  Vinyl is a great way to do the graphics. What type of cutter do you have?

George

I've got a Roland 24" cutter. along with a sign graphics program for Software to run it.  No printing just cutting. I have previously used for car club graphics and one color signs for my Son's auto business.

 If you need some vinyls or lettering made for panels, let me know I can hook you up.

Howdy Dave,

The control panel looks great.  Using vinyl is a terrific idea.

Have fun,
mike

From  prior comments, you know that the North Coast railroad is HOn3, For the most part the motive power is predominately Shays and Tank engines. WHY??  Because Ilike them.Shay roster 1.JPGNon-Shay roster 2.JPG

Additionally, I decided the rolling stock will be either regional, or private label from the area. Here's an example of some of them The roster has expanded since this photo was taken. IMG_3762.JPG

Dave,

That's quite a nice collection of motive power. Alway wanted a four-truck Shay. I've got two Backmann's that I may kit bash into a four-truck Shay and a two-truck Shay.

Bernd

Shays are so cool.  Many years ago I got to see one operating here in Iowa at a Festival called the Old Thresher's reunion.  They have some narrow gauge engines and trolleys on their grounds.  I think they traded the Shay off years ago.  

Jeff

Bernd, did you ever play with those Shay trucks you received from me?

Good looking gaggle of Shay'e Dave..... 8)

Great looking locos...I lucked into a beautiful tiny 2-truck Brass HOn30 Shay at the NNGC.

I'd really like a rtr similar one in HOn3 (but DCC-equipped)...if only Blackstone hadn't died off, maybe they would have made one by now. Unlikely they'll be figuring out a suitable Chinese quality manufacturer anytime soon with the present trade climate...maybe someday. I'll be looking for something tiny and beautiful on the tables at the next NNGC for sure.

Quote from: Dave Buchholz on March 14, 2025, 11:22:54 AMBernd, did you ever play with those Shay trucks you received from me?

Thought I already posted a reply. Must have hit the "preview" button instead.

No, I never did anything with them. I don't even remember you giving me them. I remember now that you mention it. They are probably buried somewhere in one of the many "will use these sometime in the future" boxes.

Bernd

Although not much modeling is getting done while helping my son with his new business venture. It hasn't stopped me from assorted purchases of 3d printed details and rolling stock. As more crafters offer their 3d products, it's getting wild to see some of the cool stuff being created.

As I research what industries were serviced by the prototype, I've been honing in on the fruit belt associated businesses for canning and storage, and the small businesses that supported them.

 I've been finding lots of 3d printed crates  pallets, boxes and barrels to support the fall harvest season in perpetuity on the North Coast Narrow Gauge Railroad.

Till next time.....

Fifth Dave on the right

Modeling time is in short supply of late. But small things collectively become progress ultimately.
 I've been working on lighting up a few "almost" done buildings in the harbor area, and adding signage to indicate the type of businesses they represent.

I've looked for actual names of businesses along the right of way that existed during the era that I am modeling. That's been one area of interest. The other is representing the Native heritage of upstate New York and the Finger Lakes region. Many portions of Central New York hold their indigenous names. Seneca, Cayuga, Genesee, Mohawk, Oswego, Gananda, Sodus, Red Creek, Black Creek, Onondaga, and so many others. Its seems fitting to pay honor and homage to those who were the true pioneers to this region.


Thus the North Coast Railroad has several actual business names representing both points.

Seneca Cold Storage (fruit and vegetables), Mohawk Mills (carpets) Red Creek Canning, Genesee Malting House in Sodus are represented so far, Others will follow.

 Maybe some pics will find their way here soon.

 as always,
Fifth Dave to the Right

Quote from: Dave Buchholz on May 05, 2025, 09:28:25 PMModeling time is in short supply of late. But small things collectively become progress ultimately.
 I've been working on lighting up a few "almost" done buildings in the harbor area, and adding signage to indicate the type of businesses they represent.

I've looked for actual names of businesses along the right of way that existed during the era that I am modeling. That's been one area of interest. The other is representing the Native heritage of upstate New York and the Finger Lakes region. Many portions of Central New York hold their indigenous names. Seneca, Cayuga, Genesee, Mohawk, Oswego, Gananda, Sodus, Red Creek, Black Creek, Onondaga, and so many others. Its seems fitting to pay honor and homage to those who were the true pioneers to this region.


Thus the North Coast Railroad has several actual business names representing both points.

Seneca Cold Storage (fruit and vegetables), Mohawk Mills (carpets) Red Creek Canning, Genesee Malting House in Sodus are represented so far, Others will follow.

 Maybe some pics will find their way here soon.

 as always,
Fifth Dave to the Right

Maybe the Hekawi?  https://www.liquisearch.com/f_troop/regular_characters/the_hekawi_tribe_and_tribal_members

dave

The Fakawi  were supposed to help Custer at what became his last stand. But they  apparently never showed up, or maybe Custer got lost lost.

Hence, Custer's last words ....

"Where da Fakawi!"

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CUSTER..." What are we to do NOW??????"
CHIEF OF THE FAKAWI....... "What-chu-mean-WE....PALEFACE" ;)  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
 
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