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Title: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: kyle creel on February 02, 2025, 10:19:09 PM
Wow !!! I didn't know this page or section or whatever it's called was here.  This is cool.  OK, here's an update on the G&D Ry. The next section will begin construction in about 10 days.  I've finished the track plan revisions and the result is quite a bit different from the previous rendition.  No more passing siding.  I decided that since there are only 2 trains a day between Grizzly and Dilapidated (1 in the AM to Dilapidated, another around noon back to Grizzly) there's no 'train meet' at Peau Dunque Jct.; there is however, an interchg. track with the  D&RGW. where cars will be picked up on the return trip to Grizzly, sorted if needed, and sent to Dilapidated on the next days' run.  A car(s) being returned to the D&RGW will be 'pushed' to the intchg. and spotted.   I figure it to be about 7.5 miles, so not a great distance to push a car.  This change allows for more dramatic scenery- a close-to-the-edge cliffside curve, and a narrow passage between rock formations.  I'll also be able to use some of my favorite rock formations from previous G&D Ry. versions in this area.  I'll post the 2 different versions for ya'll to compare the attributes of each. The new section is 8' long and 15" deep; same length, but one inch wider.  The previous one was 8'x14".  Let me know what ya'll think.  The ravine on the right corner is about 20" deep from the top of the rail head to the bottom of the ravine, and the trestle span is 22".  Ya'll stay tuned.............

KYLE CREEL
G&D Ry.

Previous plan.......................
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Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Larry C on February 03, 2025, 07:10:09 AM
Kyle that's quite a change from previously. I guess it all boils down to
rather you want dramatic scenery or more track to run trains. Personally
I would prefer the more dramatic scenery; that's what would get all the
"oohs & ahs" from visitors. Either way enjoy the process.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: ACL1504 on February 03, 2025, 08:14:14 AM
Kyle,

I agree with Larry. More scenery is my vote as well. As they ( whomever they are) less is more.

I like the new plan.

Tom
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Michael Hohn on February 03, 2025, 09:15:54 AM
Kyle,

I like the new plan.  In addition to scenic opportunities, it will seem to move the two ends of the layout farther apart.

Mike
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Rick on February 03, 2025, 09:22:22 AM
I'm in favor of more scenery too.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Philip on February 03, 2025, 09:45:56 AM
I'm glad you joined here. Was wondering where you were....

Philip
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: kyle creel on February 03, 2025, 03:09:37 PM
Thanx Larry C., thanx Tom, thanx Michael, thanx Rick and thanx Phillip; There's been some drastic stuff happening at the G&D Ry. The D&RGW 'pulled out' of Peau Dunque Jct. and laid a new intchg. connection to the G&D Ry. near the depot at Dilapidated. The locals were ecstatic.  This will also include adding a passenger (who would ever want to come to this dump) car to the regular consist once a week.  The old trackage connection and right of way in Peau Dunque Jct. were sold to a couple of investors in gas exploration.  These two "entremaneurs", a Mr. P. Hugh and partner, Mr. Dewey Steenk have formed the PFLATUGEN GAS EXPLORATION Co. ???????????? The only 'gas' in the area according to the locals, is the after effects of ROSAS' CHILI over at HEI MOES' CHINESE FOOD & SALOON.  Nobody ever heard of PFLATUGEN; let alone thought about drilling for it.  But since "the deal's done gone down"- they'll just make the best of it and hope the place doesn't blow up.  They also decided to enact a new TAX on the 'poots'-err, uhh-'fruits' of the endeavor, and use the newly found revenue to 'spruce the place up' a bit.  This will include (but not be limited to) a new coat of paint on all the outhouses, along with planting some type of fragrant plants nearby, and anyplace else where there's room.  There's talk of actually adding a couple of "two-holer"'s near HEI MOES' for good measure.  Along with the new "gas" company comes the other needed outfits.....Phartz & Schmelling Gas will handle transporting and storing the stuff, while Windbreaker Natural Gas will supply drilling equipment.  It looks as if the area's gonna go big-time (if it don't blow up) "PFLATUGEN" ?????really?????????? OK if you say so..............stay tuned.............

KYLE CREEL
G&D Ry.

Here's the 'lay of the land'

Blue arrow..........PHARTZ & SCHMELLING Dist.
Orange arrow........D&RGW Interchg. trks.
Red arrow...........PFLATUGEN GAS LTD.
Green arrow.........WINDBREAKER SUPPLY Co.
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Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Philip on February 03, 2025, 04:56:28 PM
Your making me gassy ~

Speculator selling upwind real estate should prosper !
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: kyle creel on February 03, 2025, 07:36:39 PM
You are so right......Funny you should mention it, but there is a lady, (actually a "Land Baroness"), named Ima Phartz; sister of Eura Phatrz (of Phartz & Schmelling).  She owns a nice piece of the "Upwind Ridge" area southwest of Grizzly. Her company "Pleasant Odure Real Estate Holdings" has seen quite an uptick in inquiries since the operation got going. She must be doing quite well, she "smells of money" if you catch my drift............?????????
This IS pfun..................

KYLE CREEL
G&D Ry.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Philip on February 03, 2025, 08:13:07 PM
A drift I'm hoping not to catch. :o  
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: kyle creel on February 04, 2025, 11:20:36 PM
Right you are Phillip.......Thanx for stoppin' by and droppin' in yer 2cents worth.  Much appreciated.  Thanx to everybody else that popped in for a look-see, hope it looks OK.  I spent today (Tuesday) working a bit more on what will be the working blueprint for the rest of the G&D Ry.  I always do the final one in a larger scale to see if it'll all fit and not look too crowded, or 'thrown together'.  The preliminary drafts will always be changing one after another, as I get the final ideas 'flushed out'.  When I'm confident I've done all I can, I do a larger scale rendition because all the 'buggs in the soup' show up, and I can tell what is what.  The larger the scale -the clearer the idea comes into focus.  Just like going from N Scale to O Scale or 1/20th Scale; the details are suddenly right there, good or not so good.  I only had to reposition one or two things once I got fully into the process.  This time I even added both rails, crossties, headblocks, switchstands and grade crossings.  I didn't label anything because quite frankly...my hand and wrist were getting tired atfer all the ties were drawn in.  But over all I think it'll look good when it's all finished and in color.  Whadda ya think?????

KYLE CREEL
G&D Ry.

The blue arrow is the entry- I have no door on the room........ really!002.JPG



Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Larry C on February 05, 2025, 08:26:13 AM
The track plan looks great!! A turntable and a sector plate? Cool. Time for
the track crew to get busy? Have fun.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Bernd on February 05, 2025, 09:46:02 AM
Neat idea for making a turning wye and having no room for a third turnout.

Bernd
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Michael Hohn on February 05, 2025, 10:22:08 AM
Kyle,

I think you have developed a straightforward, workable plan that will be interesting to operate, and meanwhile showing off your modeling.

Mike
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: elwoodblues on February 05, 2025, 07:54:03 PM
Nice plan Kyle, I really like the use of a sector plate for turning engines.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: friscomike on February 06, 2025, 06:28:16 AM
Howdy Kyle,

This innovative plan is a winner that begs to be built.  I'm looking forward to your progress reports.

Have fun,
mike
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: kyle creel on February 11, 2025, 04:50:45 PM
Thanx Larry C., thanx Bernd, thanx Michael, thanx Ron,and thanx Mike.

I started on the sector plate today(Tuesday); I found an old deck girder bridge span I scratch built back in 2012 that was longer than I needed, and went to town whittlin' it down.  I cut it down to 17", which gives me one extra inch.  My longest locomotive is 'The Beast' (my K27) @15-1/4" overall and 13-1/2" 'flange to flange'; so the length will be just about right.   I cleaned off the ties, pulled the leftover spikes, (there was no rail) and hand laid new code 100 rail.  I still need to add the guard rails.  I think I still have some code 70 or 83, but I'll have to find it.  anyways here's what I've done so far.............

KYLE CREEL
G&D Ry.

Hope it looks OK..............
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 11, 2025, 05:23:45 PM
Nice job Kyle.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: deemery on February 11, 2025, 06:01:01 PM
It's a clever idea to reuse that bridge for your sector plate!

dave
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Rick on February 11, 2025, 07:52:21 PM
Kyle, nice repurposing and it longs more than long enough to handle any loco.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Philip on February 11, 2025, 08:11:54 PM
I see rails?  8)  The long row to hoe way! Nice update!
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: friscomike on February 11, 2025, 10:24:43 PM
Kyle, that's so neat.  Have fun, mike
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Larry C on February 12, 2025, 08:39:23 PM
Kyle nice you were able to repurpose the deck and use it on your TT.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: ACL1504 on February 13, 2025, 02:00:38 PM
Kyle,

Nice repurpose of the deck for the turntable.

Tom 
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: kyle creel on March 04, 2025, 02:37:37 PM
Thanx Curt, thanx Dave, thanx Rick, thanx Phillip, thanx Mike, thanx Larry C., and thanx Tom; Well it's been a while since I posted anything.  I went through one of those "who's gonna handle the 'disposition' of the G&D Ry when I'm gone; and why am I 'adding to the issue' by expanding the layout (as planned)" phases.  So I spoke to my baby brother (whose gonna be 62 in April), and he said "don't worry, I'll handle everything". He is a very talented modeller and I trust him to take care of the project.  He knows and understands how the RR is being constructed and has all the skills and tools to disassemble it and move it (to his house if he wants) and everything that is included.  So. back to the present.
 
  I've been thinking about why the RRs' next phase isn't 'grabbing me' and saying c'mon, let's go!!!!  It's because I'm not comfortable with the RR taking up all 3 walls.  One day last week I walked into the room and it hit me...go across the top of the rolltop desk, and into the next corner and take it past the first window and at about 6"-8"past the pillar between the first and second windows on that wall, STOP.

  "That's not much of a run", my obstinate half said.  "Maybe, but with the section plate in the corner and adding a switchback branch back across to the opposite corner You could have a mine!!!". My, my -"Holy interesting sh*t Batman!!!" you could have a mine"......I know I just said that...

  So I began erasing the section (on the plans) I'm no longer gonna build, and commenced scaling and measuring for accuracy how to do this thing, and have it actually work without 9% grades and no proper track spacing and arrangement.  Here's what I came up with.......

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  The red arrow is the 'I Me Mine'; the green arrow is the 'Pflatugen Gas well'; the orange arrow is Dilapidated (depot); the blue arrow is 'Phartz & Schmelling Gas Co.'

  Where the G&D main line and siding converge leaving Grizzly the elev. is 0".  It climbs up a 3.9% grade to Dilapidated @4-1/4"elev.

  The sector plate in Dilapidated is in the lower right corner of the track plan @4-1/4" elev. and the switchback spur goes from there up a 4.5% grade to the 'I Me Mine' @7"elev. 

  The spur rises from the sector plate elevation @4-1/4" to 5-3/4"elev. where it crosses over the Pflatugen Gas Well spur which is @ 2"elev.  It continues on up to the mine which is @7"elev.

  I also got rid of "Sore Arch".  It was too overwhelming, and 'in yo face'.  I replaced it with a combination of 'Old Flathead' and 'Perkins Point'- which I removed from the corner in order to install 'Woods' Ridge' and a "rock shelf" for the sub road bed to sit on for the 'I Me Mine' tracks.  Here's some preliminary shots.....

This is the mine location; the orange arrow is the mine and track level, the red arrow is the sub roadbed level.
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  Here's before and after..........................
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  Here's what the 'gap' will 'sorta' look like
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  That's about all for now.  If all goes well I'll be able to begin construction next week.  My friend Henry has a sheet of 4x8 - 1" thick beaded insulation foam for me.  It was left over from his garage door project.  I know beaded foam is not the optimum choice, but free is free.  I'm going to also get a 4x8 sheet of 2" thick pink foam board and laminate the 2 together.  I think it'll be fine.  Henry says that the 1" foam is extreemly rigid and has a foil backing.  It'll all work out.
 
  All for now, have fun and thanx again for stoppin' by.......

KYLE CREEL
G&D Ry. 
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Philip on March 04, 2025, 07:44:52 PM
Nice update!
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Larry C on March 05, 2025, 08:23:03 AM
Kyle I really like the changes you've made including saying "bye-bye" to the huge rock in the corner; looks much better. I think sometimes we tend to build layouts way to big for what we want to accomplish. Personally I've always leaned to the "smaller is better" concept; but that's just me. Enjoy your build.
Title: Re: The Grizzly & Dilapidated Ry.
Post by: Michael Hohn on March 06, 2025, 09:48:41 AM
Kyle,

Your changes make sense.  I like the "gap" in particular.

Mike