Hi guys.
I've recently laid track for my Sheepscot Limeworks, and going through my paperwork I wonder whether there is a page or two missing. I've ticked off everything on the paperwork list, with the exception of not knowing how many pages there were for the 'miscellaneous' section. What I do not seem to have is any information on the workings of the limeworks. Furthermore, I can see nowhere in either plans or instructions how the 'feed mill' connects to the rest of the works. There is also very little information on how the limestone is delivered to the mill. I also own the 150T coal tower - and this kit seems to have information on its workings, so I would kind of expected to see some information in the limeworks kit.
Does anyone have this kit that they could check the paperwork to see if such information exists and maybe photograph and email through any missing pages? Or maybe someone has built it?
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Thanks for any help, cheers, Mark.
I've got the kit. I scanned the "Packing Sequence" sheet. On the back it looks like all the sheets that make up the instructions. Mark which ones you need and I'll make a PDF for you.
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Bernd
Thanks, Bernd.
As I said, I don't seem to be missing any pages from the instructions that are shown in the packing sequence. I just wondered whether there was anything extra that was provided in other kits that I missed out on. There seems to be, at least to me, a rather large hole in understanding the workings of the limeworks - especially in relation to the feed mill (also called a wooden grain elevator on the drawings). My guess is that powder lime or small pebbles are dropped down from the second story of the barn, moved underground by a conveyor to the feed elevator, and then hoisted by buckets to the top of the feed elevator.
Anyway - I can't give you any 'missing' page numbers. I'll ask my modelling buddies this afternoon and see what they know.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark it's to bad the RR Line is down. Someone built that over there!!
You would have Joe would have loft it online for reference.
Jerry
Thanks, Jerry.
In the days before RR-line closing I madly went through as many threads as I could and downloaded anything that looked like it might be of use some day. If I found that thread I would have downloaded it for sure. I'll have a look through my files tonight. Fingers crossed! I know others did the same...
Cheers, Mark.
(https://modelersforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=112240)
I read this as "Barn" is the crusher, because its output conveyor goes to the Screen House. The Screen House will separate fines from bigger lumps. The fines go into Wooden Hopper. The lumps may be re-ground, or sold for some process (smelting iron?) where size doesn't matter. In the drawing it doesn't look like Screen House has two outlets, but it should. The Feed Elevator presumably holds rough stone to be dumped into the bin at the bottom of the conveyor going up to the Barn. The Feed Elevator should be next to a track or road where raw limestone arrives.
The big use of fine limestone in New England during the era of this plant was agricultural lime, which farmers in NH and Maine need to keep the soil sweet enough for crops. Agricultural lime was sold in 50 lb. paper bags, which need a bagging house and warehouse so the plant can work all year (ag lime is applied after harvest or before spring planting). The warehouse needs a loading track with platform, possibly also a truck dock.
Since the kit doesn't include the bagging plant or warehouse, perhaps the prototype fed a cement plant (Rockland ME had one). Or it made process lime that was bulk loaded into watercraft (also happened in Rockland). Fine limestone isn't something I'd expect to see in an open hopper.
Yes, I've loaded many pallets of 50 lb. bags of lime into drop spreaders.
Mark,
Check this link out...build by Frank Baker...memory still working...Tommy
https://modelersforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=02b8afbaa67461480de94eb70e7701d7&topic=1773.msg42075#msg42075
The finished model Frank (Erieman) shows looks like its Screening House sends fines to the Feed Elevator, and coarser rock to the Wooden Hopper. But I don't see how either of those outputs leave the facility. The tipple-like structure extending out the back of the Barn is pretty clearly for loading open hoppers with something coarse enough it won't stick if it gets wet. So there may be 3 outputs: Fine agricultural lime to the Feed Elevator, coarser pebbles to the Wooden Hopper and big lumps to the tipple. Raw limestone may be trucked straight from the quarry.
QuoteThanks, Bernd.
As I said, I don't seem to be missing any pages from the instructions that are shown in the packing sequence. I just wondered whether there was anything extra that was provided in other kits that I missed out on. There seems to be, at least to me, a rather large hole in understanding the workings of the limeworks - especially in relation to the feed mill (also called a wooden grain elevator on the drawings). My guess is that powder lime or small pebbles are dropped down from the second story of the barn, moved underground by a conveyor to the feed elevator, and then hoisted by buckets to the top of the feed elevator.
Anyway - I can't give you any 'missing' page numbers. I'll ask my modelling buddies this afternoon and see what they know.
Cheers, Mark.
Could you be missing this sheet with pictures?
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Bernd
Thanks you, Jerry, James and Bernd, for your help.
Jerry - I looked through my downloaded threads from RR-line but have nothing on a build of the Lime works. I do have a build of another Sheepscot kit, which may prove helpful. I also found and watched a video of the building Sheepscot's Beanfield siding. It was obvious that there were many, many gaps in the instructions and the builder was often left confused and frustrated at some very important parts of the construction process. There was a lot of guesswork which resulted in mistakes and some parts of the build being built, discarded and built a second time. Having done some pretty complex scratchbuilds I have to disagree with his assessment that building a Sheepscot kit is basically a scratchbuilt. There is a ton of work that goes into a complex structure's design before any building can commence. Nutting out the process of the complex (like I am trying to do with the limeworks) the drawing of a full set of elevations and plans to scale along with sectional views. The drawing of construction templates and often the making of jigs. And then one has to think through the construction process and come up with a logical plan of attack. The Sheepscot kit has done all of this work for you - all you really have to do is get inside the head of the kit designer - although this can certainly be rather challenging. As Carl B. said in the part of his Sheepscot build I read - it was this that was keeping him interested.
Bernd - Yes, I do have that sheet. But thank you for posting it here. I can blow those images up to 400% and the quality is very high so the image is still good at high magnification. I've had a good study, and although there are still plenty of unanswered questions, it is still very helpful.
James - I understand what you are saying. Study of the photos uploaded by Bernd shows bags of lime waiting on the platform for pickup. Does this not suggest that there is a small bagging plant in the barn? Would this be possible, along with the crushers, bins and conveyors?
I talked through my confusion with Neil yesterday afternoon. He was as confused as I am (which made me feel somewhat less of an idiot). We came to the conclusion that most people who build this kit, probably do so without any understanding of how it actually works. I'm guessing 99 people would visit your layout and say something along the lines of 'wow! what a great group of structures. How long did that take you to build?' before that 1 person asks you 'but how does it actually work?'
I've also been doing some research on line. I haven't answered any questions related to the Sheepscot kit yet, but have learnt a fair bit about the uses of limestone. On my layout I can use it at the paper mill, the pulp mill, the chemical factory, the small foundry where they make pig iron, and the builders yard. I can see something for the farmers as a future build, and maybe a glass factory. New Zealand actually had limestone with 98% purity with no iron in it which was very rare and good enough for the production of crystal.
As I find more relevant information, I will post it here. I'm sure I wont be that last person to be confused by this kit.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark,
Check all the photos and stories on the top to the bottom of this research link page...see if any of this info helps...Tommy
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/13030/kt5c6015np/
Marble is, of course, metamorphosed limestone. One of the more interesting uses for finely ground marble is gouache, which is watercolor with very fine marble added to make it opaque. More ideas: https://greenpacks.org/what-is-ground-marble-used-for/
dave