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Title: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 31, 2018, 11:09:08 AM
The Holland Odessa Short Line Rail Road started ten months ago. My wife and I retired after I sold the family business of thirty-three years in 2012. Until ten months ago we traveled, played with the kids and grandkids, golfed and enjoyed Holland Ohio in the summer, Odessa Florida the rest of the time. Then my bride was diagnosed with stage one breast cancer. So we stayed in Ohio as the boss (wife) and doctors got rid of the uninvited guest. I am glad to report we are about done with the eviction. One more surgery and we can again travel back and forth on our terms. Given what she went through doctors say 99% cure rate.

As we were stuck in Ohio through winter (I grew up in Upstate NY so I knew what is coming) I decided to indulge a thought I had for some time, my own hobby, specifically model railroading. We had a small loft with an open area near my desk. I decided to learn the hobby and put a HO scale layout in that area.

 I found this Forum when I bought a small kit from Railroad Kits as much for the ‘how to’ DVD that came with it as the building itself. Written boldly on the box was; “Check out modelerforum.com". I had found the mother load of knowledge.  Since then I watch, read and learn. In the couple of months since finding this site my ability to model (and enjoy) this hobby dramatically improved. This forum has nothing but experts and now me, the complete beginner. I’ve posted twice once asking about a Jorden model, the second  just to say thank you and show off the scratch built canal boat I had finished. The first time I was given a great welcome and the knowledge I needed. The second again I was welcomed and this time asked for more pictures.

Frankly I had to think about it. What could I possibly share? You folks really are light years ahead of most, even the pros (actually you are the pros). Then I realized what I could share; a fresh look. I don’t have the forty years of knowledge or even one good original idea on modeling. But the hobby has changed in many ways, the internet being the root of most change.  What I am hoping to gain is even more knowledge from you talented people.

So welcome to the Holland Odessa Railroad, a fictional short line set in two vastly different parts of the country, NW Ohio (Holland just west of Toledo) and west central Florida (Odessa, just NW of Tampa). It is September of 1908. The left half of the layout will be Ohio while the right will transform into Florida. At the moment all work is essentially happening on the Ohio side of the layout.

I’ll stop here for now, some pictures, two showing reality, the others my little world. Future posts will be less talk more action, promise.
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Post by: Rollin on March 31, 2018, 11:52:35 AM
Love the canal boat. Next time you're in the Buckeye State, there is a reproduction boat that gives rides on the canal at Canal Fulton, near Akron.

Here's a link

http://www.discovercanalfulton.com/heritage_society/st_helena_iii.html
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Post by: Dave K. on March 31, 2018, 03:37:54 PM
It’s a privilege having you, Jim...welcome! Sweet little layout. More importantly, congratulations on handing the Big ‘C’ its walking papers. Looking forward to your future participation in our warped little community, here.
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Post by: Janbouli on March 31, 2018, 04:02:05 PM
Love how you did the lighting Jim, and I know that there are quite a few here envious of your little people on the layout, you have talent , so just keep posting those pictures , cause we love pictures.
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Post by: Zephyrus52246 on March 31, 2018, 06:09:43 PM
Nice looking layout.  I think you're well beyond the "beginner" stage.   :)


Jeff
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Post by: jerryrbeach on April 01, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
Jim,

Thanks for posting the photos of your layout.  You are exactly right, we get to see your unique approach to the hobby. 
The hinged control panel is great for anyone with limited space.
While waterfront modeling has become very popular, I do not recall anyone modeling a canal and canal boat on their layout.  I really like the water in the canal, it came out great and the canal boat is beautiful. 
Please give us some more information on the structure with the tall derrick.  I am assuming it is an early oil well, am I right?
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Post by: GPdemayo on April 01, 2018, 09:08:16 AM
Great start Jim.....looking forward to seeing the progress on the rest of your layout.  8)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 01, 2018, 11:36:39 PM
I want to thank everyone for the comments and feedback. Up till now feedback has consisted of my wife (she likes it I think because I’m out of her hair (well wig at the moment) and our grandkids who ask, when is it going to be done?


Lighting:
I decided on a small layout (6 x 4) early on due to available space. One of the YouTube people I follow is MarklinofSweden. He published a great short video explaining lighting a layout, specifically LED lighting. I never understood why the LED lights are too blue or too yellow, too bright, not bright enough and so on. He covers it all quickly:

From this video I knew what to look for and found it on Amazon. Brighttech Sparq Arc LED Floor Lamp. It provides 3000 Kelvin color (3,500 would have been perfect but 3000 works) and 2000 lumens. The layout is on castors so I can move it from the wall and work on all sides. The lamps cover the entire layout, easy to move and cost $73.00 each.

Oil Derrick:
It is the Campbell Scale Model #354. I put it next to the canal because they often were found near it in those days. Oil and gas were the top industries in the state. starting in 1880 and going until about 1920.

Layout Design:
The table was designed following a Model Railroad free video about ‘your first layout’ video. I upgraded to poplar wood for looks. The directions call for a 1 inch sheet of foam insulation. However, I wanted a canal.  As I was using Atlas solenoid turnouts the thickness of the foam did not matter. I went with two sections of 1 inch foam, glued to each other and the table with liquid nails. This gave me about 16 HO scale feet and the canal was possible. The control panel was hinged so I can have it down while working on the layout.

Well enough for now. I do have a few more cool pictures. One is  an oil rig in Lake Mary, another is a picture of a real canal boat I looked at when making my version. The others are layout pictures.  :

Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Lynnb on April 02, 2018, 06:27:03 PM
Lots of very nice details, love the waterway. I have been following MarklinofSweden for a very long time, sometimes I watch his youtube channel just to get a chuckle.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ACL1504 on April 02, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
Jim,

Not sure how I missed this thread but I'm looking in now.

Very well done Jim. The canal boat is really neat and for a small layout it sure says "BIG" to me. I appreciate you sharing it with us.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: S&S RR on April 02, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
Great layout and photographs thank you for sharing them.  As for the big C - my wife went through it - stage 2 - chemo and radiation - cancer free for 11 years now. Tell your boss from my boss hang-in-there. You both will be in our thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 02, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Thanks for the feedback and compliments folks  :).  And John you put a smile on my Bosses face! It has been a long road but she has been a fighter, suspect yours is too. We had good news today, looks like we will get to head back to FL in a little over a week. I better wrap up work on the Holland Odessa R.R. For the season!

However, I really love learning the history of the two areas we live and learning how to model a miniature rendition. Word has it the Railroad is planning to expand to the Florida house too!

Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: S&S RR on April 03, 2018, 01:59:57 PM
Thanks for the feedback and compliments folks  :) .  And John you put a smile on my Bosses face! It has been a long road but she has been a fighter, suspect yours is too. We had good news today, looks like we will get to head back to FL in a little over a week. I better wrap up work on the Holland Odessa R.R. For the season!

However, I really love learning the history of the two areas we live and learning how to model a miniature rendition. Word has it the Railroad is planning to expand to the Florida house too!


 :)  Welcome to the forum Jim. We will be looking forward to your posts on future railroad expansions and good reports from the boss.
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Post by: postalkarl on April 03, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
Hey Jim:

Very nice canal and boat. Very well done.

Karl
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 03, 2018, 07:14:46 PM
I will post how the canal was built soon but wanted to let everyone know I passed along your compliments to the boys who made the canal. Mostly hard working, equally hard drinking, Immigrant Irish. They don’t follow orders well but they do have fun. I found them down by the canal today. When I passed along the compliments they laughed and said ‘Donovan’ (that’s me), next round is on you. So much for passing along a compliment.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 09, 2018, 02:40:50 PM
Great news this week, the Boss has been cleared for travel and we will be heading to Florida this week. So work on the Holland - Odessa R.R. will be put on hold for a couple of months.

I wanted to post a outline of how the canal came about as it plays a central part of the layout. This will be the last posting for some time.

The canal was designed from the beginning to be part of the layout since canals first opened the western part of Ohio to settlement. As a beginner I needed instruction on how best to proceed. I found it on-line in a video by Luke Towan that shows making a diorama of a river scene, you can find it on his web site Boulder Creek R.R. or on YouTube.  Modifying it to be a canal was easy. The biggest change I made was to use Woodland Scenics Deep Pour to create the water. Here are pictures of real Miami-Erie Canal and specifications it had. Check out pictures, more in a minute.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 09, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
Just starting in the hobby I find myself spending a lot of time researching not only the history of the area being modeled but how to do the modeling. Researching water products I found Woodland Scenics the best one documented with good ‘how to’ video’s at their web site. I think it was a good decision, there is not one bubble in the water and the tinting came out the way I wanted. I’ve learned bubbles and ‘creeping’ of the water can be an issue. I had a little ‘creeping’ but the Towan video showed how to eliminate it. I ended up watching the video at least 20 times while making the canal as well as taking notes. The landing seawall is from Bar Mills, I hope to make one of their craftsmen kits when I get better.  Here is first construction based on video. Enjoy the photo’s more in a minute.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 09, 2018, 03:01:06 PM
I used the opportunity to learn how to use an airbrush. The one I have is the beginner Master dual action product you can buy on Amazon for about $50.00 included is a small compressor that sucks. I was ready to just junk it but decided to get a real compressor and magic happened, for what I needed it worked fine. Practicing on the canal allowed me to learn how to airbrush and still was useful since the canal bottom and walls needed to be painted anyhow. I must have re-painted three or four times. However, by the end I was doing pretty good and the bottom looks real, dark in the middle, good looking shoaling on the banks. The shale bank must have four or five shades. It was just airbrushed, no wash. A foam base made forming the canal easy. Enjoy the canal completion.

The trees came from a video Luke does on 'five minute trees'. It took a lot more than five minutes but using a local flower stem that has a lot of branching produced a nice looking Hickory Tree. Next time I will paint the trunks so they better match the real tree. More pictures:
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 09, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
So this completes the first build season of the layout. Hope you liked seeing the progress of a true beginner.

The biggest thing I’ve learned about this hobby is I love everything you can do on top of the layout and hate everything required under the layout. Frankly I was surprised powered rail was still the standard for the hobby, 40 years after I played with my father-in-law’s basement operation. With wifi and powerful small batteries I would have thought power would be in the engine itself and control would be wireless through bluetooth/ wifi. I guess a lot of people in the hobby love the electrical part, me not so much.

Next up the Village of Mandryville, this fall. I will be reading others work throughout the summer. I hope what I learn shows in future modeling. Thanks to all for your great posts and sharing of information. Makes a beginners effort a lot easier.
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Post by: PRR Modeler on April 09, 2018, 05:38:34 PM
Really top notch modeling. What part of FL will you be at?
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ACL1504 on April 09, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Jim,

Looking good sir.

Curt, I've invited Jim and the Boss over for a layout tour and visit of the Atlantic and Southern RR if they visit the Orlando area and have the time.

Tom ;D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on April 09, 2018, 08:30:44 PM
Currently we live near Tarpon Springs but within two weeks we are moving to The Villages near Leesburg. Looking forward to seeing the mighty Atlantic and Southern when we get settled in. Thanks for the invite.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: cuse on April 10, 2018, 07:00:32 AM
I'm really enjoying this. Small but very creative layout with fantastic scenery...it's what I aspire to. Welcome to Central Florida.


John
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Post by: GPdemayo on April 10, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
Great work Jim.....looking forward to meeting you at the ole' A&S.  8)
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Post by: ReadingBob on April 10, 2018, 10:07:36 AM
Thanks for sharing you work Jim!  It looks great.  I love the idea of the canal and canal boat.  :D

There's very little evidence remaining of the canals and locks that where in the area that I'm originally from in Northeast PA but they were, a very long time ago, a big deal.   
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Post by: jimmillho on April 10, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
Great work Jim.....looking forward to meeting you at the ole' A&S.  8)

Me Too.  just waiting for you to get here.

Jim
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Post by: postalkarl on April 10, 2018, 04:57:42 PM
Hi Jim:

love the canal and the boat. Scenery around ain't bad either. Nice Work.

Karl
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Post by: Jim Donovan on April 10, 2018, 06:28:30 PM
Thanks everyone, it’s fun.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on May 30, 2018, 08:28:07 AM
The Boss and I had an incredible visit today with Tom Langford (ACL1504) and Greg DeMayo (GPdemayo) at Tom’s Atlantic and Southern Layout. It is an amazing layout to see. Even better was meeting Tom and Greg, two true gentlemen. They allowed us to visit for the better part of the afternoon (taking up important bench time!) and made us feel at home instantly.

The wealth of information the two have and openly share taught me more in two hours then I can pick up reading and watching video’s in a week.  A big thank you to both from Deb (aka The Boss) and myself.

Tom’s layout is based on the Atlantic and Southern during the transition time period. Being a Florida resident myself since I was 17 I loved the scenery and how the layout evolves from southern Georgia down through Florida. I had to ask ‘where are the Cypress Trees’? Without losing a beat Tom showed me. Hope he doesn’t mine me sharing the proof!

His layout is nothing but a lifetime labor of love. Tom; thank you for sharing. I need to post another picture showing the CCK Rural Post Office kit he made and I am building based on his tread. While some more scenery will happen I think I was able to catch a great photo of it showing the incredible workmanship Tom put in this deceptively simple kit.

I came away with a wealth of ideas spinning in my head. To begin with I’ve decided the current layout located at our summer home in Ohio will be dedicated to modeling just NW Ohio as it was in 1908.

Come the fall and we return to our Florida home I will start a separate layout dedicated to Central Florida during the transition era much as Tom is doing (but on a MUCH smaller scale). Florida from 1920 through the late 60’s grew but did not change character. Today you need to go to the interior, Big Bend area (the west coast area where the peninsula bends into the panhandle) or the panhandle interior to see parts of that time still existing.

Well enough babbling. Time to go back to working on the trees needed on the Ohio layout.

Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on June 21, 2018, 11:57:28 PM
We arrived back to our Ohio house early June.  :) While in Florida I learned to make trees using the floral wire method  8). I’ve watched video’s produced by Luke Towen, Kathy Millatt, Marklin of Sweden as well as reviewing the video’s available from Woodland Scenics and Scenic Express. What I came up with is something of a composite of what these people do. I wanted to produce maple trees to replace the Woodland Scenic metal armature trees first placed on the layout near the canal. I never liked the look of the metal armature. What I came up with is attached. Most are maple trees from 20 to 35 feet high. The one furthest  away was modeled after an Elm tree and is 45 feet high.
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Post by: bparrish on June 22, 2018, 03:10:45 AM
Jim...

Thanx for coming up with your story about you and this railroad.

I'm in............

keep going

thanx
Bob
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Post by: GPdemayo on June 22, 2018, 08:14:10 AM
Neat idea Jim, the Super Trees are nice, but the trunks are nowhere near to scale, unless you are modeling new growth trees...... 8)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on June 22, 2018, 02:07:28 PM
Thanks guys. I plan to do a little more work on modifying the wire technique. I plan to introduce smaller wire (30-34 gauge) with the standard 28 gauge and use some of the ideas floating around on making the trunks more realistic (and more correct size). The goal is to get the branches thin enough and the trunk thick enough so that you could just use the Scenic Express leaves as they really look good.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 22, 2018, 02:12:10 PM
Meet the latest addition to the layout:

 Siotkowski Supply & The District Maintenance Office for the Miami & Erie Canal

 The structure is based on the CCK Carolina Post Office Kit with Campbell corrugated roof, Monster Models brick foundation and Bar Mills fence.

This first picture has the kit turned around from its real position so you can see the front clearly. In its permanent location its' back is to the track you see.
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Post by: ACL1504 on June 22, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
Jim,

Thanks for the update. The trees look good and remember the more you do the better the outcome.

I think for just getting into the hobby you are far ahead of others in skill. Keep up the great work.

Regards, to Deb, the Boss.

Tom ;D
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Post by: ACL1504 on June 22, 2018, 02:15:42 PM
Jim,

Great job on the supply office. I love the porch rails. Well done.

Tom ;D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 22, 2018, 02:16:25 PM
I saw this kit when Tom Langford (ACL1504) showed a detailed tread build. Having started the kit in February while in Ohio it sat partly done when we went back to Florida for three months. There I was able to see his version of the kit in person when my wife Deb  and I visited in May. What a fantastic layout he is building and his workmanship is truly impressive. I posted a picture of his building previously. Here is a picture of the CCK kit as sold:
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 22, 2018, 02:21:51 PM
Tom’s directions became the starting point for my own structure. The building itself brought back great memories of my days as a salesman traveling the back roads of north Florida, South Georgia and South Alabama during the late 70’s and early 80’s. That is why I picked the kit for my own layout.

To put the kit in NW Ohio during the fall of 1908 I needed to make several changes. To begin with I decided go with a early style corrugated roof. Research indicated  2 x 4 iron painted corrugated sheeting was common around 1910. The small length was to help transporting it to where needed.

The supply store part of the structure is based on National Supply. A company that provided tools and supplies needed for the oil drilling going on in the area. This company was in most small towns that had oil rigs in the area. However, after 1920 I found no mention of them so have no idea what happened to original firm.

The Miami Erie Canal Maintenance office is on the right side of the structure as you look at it. As it needed equipment and supplies for canal repair I put an enclosed deck on that side with gates.

Both operations would be handling heavy loads so the deck has a loading dock area on the right, the posts are 8 x8, side boards 2 x 6, floor boards 2 x 6 x 12 feet (unless needed cutting to fit). The structure itself sits on a brick foundation (Monster Modeling, just when I found them they are gone!). Finally the steps are 2 x 12 as are the step bracing to handle the loads. Finally, just as structures in the south were white to beat the heat, they were dark to hold the heat, thus the Pullman Green base. The decks are Hunter Driftwood (used that cool stain tray I saw others built and used).

The Siotkowski’s have not yet moved in but said I can show the pictures as it is almost done. Signs, a couple of roof vents, turnbuckles to keep the gates from sagging are needed and the owners have asked for hand railings for the steps front and back. Since they are both in their 60’s probably best!

I won’t bore anyone reading with all the techniques and tricks I used to build it. Tom’s building directions are way better then anything I could say. I do want to say thank you to everyone in the forum for their postings. This was the first kit I made since joining the group and it was the postings that allowed me to learn and make this kit. Special thanks to Tom Langford for the building directions and follow up help as well as Greg DeMayo for this construction knowledge (and straight forward honesty), Several others helped answer questions and pointed me in the right direction when I was coming up blank.

I do have to put in one thing; Bob Parrish you are right, glass makes a difference, thanks to you and Dave K., for techniques on cutting it and installing. By the way it was not as easy as the video showed but I only had to cut a couple of slide covers. Due to making the windows and doors flush (removing the battens in area) they were flush with the back wall allowing for simple installation. I included a picture that really shows the effect the glass made.

Once the Siotkowski’s move in and the businesses are humming I will post a picture of completed scene.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ACL1504 on June 22, 2018, 05:15:52 PM
Jim,

This view of the building shows it fits perfectly in the scene. I'm sure you've already thought of this but adding a few details and weeds around the diagonal support braces will give the appearance the building been there for some time.

Again, great job.

Tom ;D

 
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Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on June 23, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
Thanks and appreciate the landscaping reminder. I planned some but you are right, it is a great opportunity to bring the building to life, especially the deck areas. I will talk to the landscaping people once the General Contractor finishes the punch list st.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 24, 2018, 08:14:41 PM
Siotkowski Supply along with the District Office for the Miami Erie Canal are open for business. The General Contractor is just going down the front steps. Jan Siotkowski is overseeing the supplies arriving from a recent train freight delivery. John Siotkowski is taking the supplies from the railroad man with the cart. In the back is the hired help, trying hard not to help!

In today's world the Siotkowski's are good friends, I write a story for each person on the layout as well. They are both from Toledo so sending them back in time to NW Ohio was easy.

The fenced storage area will contain supplies for the repair of the canal. Siotkowski Supply provides a wide array of tools and equipment for the local oil drilling companies (based on the real National Supply Co.).

The General Contractor is taking his earnings to treat his bride to a road trip up to Petoskey, MI tomorrow. When back it is clean up/ scenery time. 
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Post by: PRR Modeler on June 24, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
It looks great.
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Post by: jbvb on June 25, 2018, 08:04:52 AM
Regarding the Woodland Scenics cast metal armatures a few posts ago: I find they have a good shape for apple trees.

Regarding small wire for branches: Fine copper from lamp cord or flexible welding cable works well, once you've got the factory's lubrication off it.
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Post by: GPdemayo on June 25, 2018, 08:42:08 AM
Well done scene Jim.....have a fun trip.  8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 26, 2018, 09:57:55 AM
Thanks Greg and Curt. Glad you like how it came out. I’m not sure if you guys feel the same but I always feel like I need to do it again. If I did it would take half as long and look better.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 26, 2018, 10:10:37 AM
James; thanks for the ideas for the trees. We have a local apple grove near the house which is the inspiration for having apple trees on the layout. I’ve made a some but still want to be able to see the branch structure, the clump foliage I used tended to cover it up so working with fine foliage material. The  local trees do look like something out of the movie Wizard of OZ. I did a thread on the apple trees done so far:

http://modelersforum.com/scenery-vegeatation-trees/what-do-make-on-a-cold-rainy-night!/

If you have pictures using the Woodland Sencs armature I’d love to se how they came out.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 30, 2018, 07:21:26 PM
To complete this section of the layout, I call the Canal Area, I wanted a retention pond formed between the tracks and fed by the ditch found next to the siding. Attached are pictures of this area as it was formed. The second two show that I truly screwed up the water pour.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 30, 2018, 07:24:25 PM
Now I had to use scenery to cover the lousy pour as well as make the area realistic looking. The bubbling of the resin had been caused by not properly sealing the pond floor and walls. Lesson learned.


I like using static grass, it looks very realistic. Took a while to learn how to apply it with the static grass applicator (shocks and all) but results look good.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 30, 2018, 07:38:42 PM
I went to the local Hobby Lobby and picked up assorted flower foliage, for a cost of less then $40.00. I now have enough ‘plants’ for a lifetime.  I found a garland having very small new growth leaves on its ends to make the lily pads. Also there was a flower that worked as a lily flower. By cutting what I needed from the foliage I made the water plants.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 30, 2018, 07:43:56 PM
I cut bristles from an old polyester paint brush so they were 6-8 foot in HO Scale. Some I placed in a cup and washed them with Hunterline Cordovan Brown Wash, others were left in their natural light brown color. Once dry they were ready for ‘planting’.  This way I would have bullrushes or cattails in various states of aging.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ACL1504 on June 30, 2018, 07:46:44 PM
Jim,

Nice job on the retention area between the tracks.

I had the same problem with the WS Deep Pour Water Resin. I had a small area that I didn't cover properly and ended up with a mess.

Tom ;D


This is a classic case of the principle of the 5 P's. Proper Planning Presents Pi-- Poor Performance.

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Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on June 30, 2018, 08:01:32 PM
Making sure the ‘damaged’ areas of the water were covered I placed the cattails, and plants made with the Hobby Lobby foliage using Mod-Podge Matte glue. Then I brushed the Mod-Podge around the parameter  of the pond and sprinkled Scenic Express Super Leaves. The leaves were medium green, olive green and a sprinkling of yellow. I also included small purple stems taken from the flower foliage. This was to simulate the flowering weeds normally found right on the edge of a pond and helped cover up any ‘water creep’ from the Deep Pour Water.

Finally, I used Woodland Scenics water ripples to simulate swirling wind over the pond. Once dry I added some Fine Leaf Foliage by Woodland scenics as bushes around the pond. Here is the finished results.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on June 30, 2018, 08:06:47 PM
Thanks Tom;

I included some of the ideas you posted on your pond scene for mine. Especially covering the deep pour water creep up the walls. I decided to practice on the retention pond as I want to include some plants on the canal as well and did not want to screw that up.

Jim :D
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Post by: jbvb on July 01, 2018, 03:29:27 AM
With Enviro-Tex, you can breathe on it (or use a little torch to make CO2 like in your breath) to make bubbles rise to the surface, pop and flatten out.  Does that work with Deep-Pour?
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Post by: Janbouli on July 01, 2018, 04:43:17 AM
Nicely done Jim , great cover up, it all looks good in the end.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 01, 2018, 10:26:32 AM
With Enviro-Tex, you can breathe on it (or use a little torch to make CO2 like in your breath) to make bubbles rise to the surface, pop and flatten out.  Does that work with Deep-Pour?

The Woodlands product is suppose to be poured and not disturbed, any bubbles are suppose to float to surface and pop on their own. It worked as advertised the first time but I was very careful to follow all directions. This time I added some ground cover on pond bottom before pouring and used different sealing paint. I knew I was in trouble two hours after applying when I checked on it and saw bubbles coming to the surface like it was carbonated. The big advantage is you can pour up to 1/4 inch at one time. I will research more before I use it again.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 01, 2018, 10:37:54 AM
Nicely done Jim , great cover up, it all looks good in the end.

Thanks Jan. I like how it turned out but frankly while it was a learning experience I know the dog learned a few new words when I first saw the screw up. I like looking at your layout and have learned from your thread.

A lifetime ago (1972), I spent the better part of the summer at The Hague as an exchange student representing the US at the model UN. Could speak French back then. Fantastic country and great times.
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Post by: rpdylan on July 01, 2018, 12:52:30 PM
I used the "Murky" Deep Pour product- I followed the instructions EXACTLY and had no bubble issues. (this is a scratch-build that I did a while back).

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Post by: vinceg on July 01, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
I used the "Murky" Deep Pour product- I followed the instructions EXACTLY and had no bubble issues. (this is a scratch-build that I did a while back).

Bob,

Remarkably high-fidelity reproduction of Cartwright's. Excellent model!
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 01, 2018, 02:32:06 PM
Bob C.

Fantastic build by the way. Thanks for the info.

Jim D
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Post by: GPdemayo on July 02, 2018, 08:34:39 AM
Excellent work Jim..... 8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 28, 2018, 08:50:53 PM
I am testing posting larger pictures.  Currently I am making the first business for the town of Mandryville. It will be a feed and grain supply operation. I started with the Campbell Supply Store Kit. It is being modified to better represent an eastern business in 1900. The main warehouse has been changed to having Monster Modeling brick walls. The platform is a Monster Modeling cobbled stone base. The office roof is being changed to Campbell corrugated singles. The shed has a JTT seam roof. Other changes include glass windows and improved warehouse freight doors.

http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280718182629.jpeg

Hope this works. Either way next update will be when it is finished.
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Post by: tct855 on July 28, 2018, 09:05:39 PM
Jim,
Nice highly detailed work and damn nice pics for me to gawk over.  Thanx Thom...
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Post by: ACL1504 on July 29, 2018, 07:31:54 AM
Jim,

Very nice job on the Campbell's kit bash. There was no photo, just a link to the photo so I'm posting it here.

Tom  ;D


(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-290718072852.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-290718072852.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 29, 2018, 11:34:54 AM
Thanks Thom and Tom. I’m taking the bride on a week paddle boat cruise up the Mississippi today so will figure out picture posting and finishing latest fun project when back home. Hope you all have a great week.
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Post by: PRR Modeler on July 29, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
Very nice modeling.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 14, 2018, 05:24:40 PM
Thanks for the compliment Curt. It has been six months since I found this forum and began learning and using the ideas the folks in this forum share. I have learned a lot and am really enjoying putting the book knowledge to work.

We are back from the great Mississippi boat trip. It was a blast. Learned a lot about the history, towns and even the trains that are part of the upper Mississippi. One thing that hit me walking the small towns we visited was the buildings, most were from the time I am modeling, 1900's. Moreover often the sides and backs of buildings follow no rules. Everything is a mis-mash and often it make for great modeling. Here are two pictures to show what I mean. With a layout like mine you can see 360 degrees of most structures, the back might even become the focal point of some in the future.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 14, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
The background has been installed so you can now see the look I am modeling. It is September of 1908, towards the late afternoon on a nice warm day. I have great memories of that time of year growing up  in Upstate New York.

Since coming back I have been cleaning up and adding to the scenery on the layout. Details will continue to be added as I go but most efforts will now shift to the center of layout, the small village of Mandryville. The first structure is in the process of being completed, the Feed and Grain Store. Attached are pictures of current look of layout. The store as it looks now (it is where it be once done). Also attached is a picture of the original version of the Campbell Supply Store so you can see the changes I made to mine. 

Finally, a picture of the underside of the porch roof. I decided to attempt putting the Campbell corrugated sheets directly on the rafters using epoxy glue. Took two nerve racking hours using a toothpick to apply the glue, making sure none spilled or showed. Most likely the only time anyone but me will see it. Came out OK but won't do that again. Structure basics are done, now the fun detailing can begin. That's all for now. Time for a cold one.
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Post by: cuse on August 15, 2018, 06:42:51 AM
Very nice Jim. Keep up the good work!


John
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Post by: vinceg on August 15, 2018, 07:18:51 AM
Beautiful modeling, Jim. Especially love the buildings and the backdrop.
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Post by: Zephyrus52246 on August 15, 2018, 07:55:39 AM
That Campbell kit turned out nicely!


Jeff
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Post by: GPdemayo on August 15, 2018, 08:27:11 AM
Looking good Jim..... 8)
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Post by: Mark Dalrymple on August 15, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
Nice work, Jim.  Some interesting changes to that campbell kit - makes it almost unrecognizable.

For your next porch roof - remember you need purlins running at 90 degrees to the rafters (on top of) to which the corrugated iron is attached.  One just back from the front, one just off the wall and at about 3' spacings between.  These would normally be 3" by 2" but 4" by 2" would be fine - on their flat.  I think this would also make the installation of the iron sheets easier.

Really enjoying your thread.

Cheers, Mark.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 15, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
Thanks folks for the nice compliments and I also have a confession to make,   ::) , Mark you are absolutely right and thanks, will do next time. It sure would have been easier if I had followed actual building methods. Greg DeMayo has been a great help and my go to guy for correct building methods.  I usually get with him BEFOREI proceed. In this case I never even gave it a thought. I did get with him after it was done and he too let me down gently. Thank goodness it’s in a spot not really seen, so for this building I’m going to let it slide. That said, you see something please let me know, I’d like each structure to be better than the last.

Reminds me of the first time I ever wallpapered. Decided to start with the kitchen because it had very little surface area compared to the plain walls in the hallway. Who knew there were that many cuts to make? When completed I showed off my great accomplishment to my parents. My Dad said looked good but wondered why the wheat stalks in the pattern were pointing down and not up. :o

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Post by: GPdemayo on August 17, 2018, 08:49:36 AM
Not a problem.....glad to be of help.  :)
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Post by: ACL1504 on August 17, 2018, 09:53:37 AM
Jim,

Thanks for the overall photo of the layout. It gives us a new perspective of the layout theme and structures.

Looking good.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: ACL1504 on August 17, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
Oh, by the way, Greg was a great help when he designed the Ovalix on his CAD program.

To bad it won't allow him to go "full throttle" up and down. To bad for him anyway!  ;D ;D

Tom  ;D
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Post by: Mark Dalrymple on August 31, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
Nice job, Jim!

The veranda looks much better.

Its nice to see a kit changed up like this.  I'm looking forward to your future efforts.

Generally, when I build something like this, I would build the veranda separate from the building complete with rafters, purlins, and corrugated iron roofing.  I use a thin piece of black card, which gives a fairly good impression of black building paper when glimpsed from underneath when installed on the building.  I cut this to the shape of the roof, then work upside down, gluing on the purlins to the card, then the rafters to the purlins (cut to the correct angle and length - slightly longer than the card at the front).  I then turn the roof over when dry, draw some lines on the card to help keep things square, and add the double sided tape.  I then start at the bottom adding the sheets of iron.  These, too, I overhang slightly.  In this way I find the roofing much easier to put on straight and square.  I have a process before this where I add small indentations to the iron which, when flipped over, look like lead headed nails.    After installing the roof I then make up a flashing out of aluminum foil which I smooth out and then attach a piece of double sided tape.  I then cut this into strips for the size of the flashing, carefully bend it in half longways using a metal rule and my thumb nail, and then peel off the tape backing.  This can then be worked in at the junction of the cladding and the roof.  You can use a tool to work the flashing into the roof undulations.  In this way any gaps between the roofing and the cladding are hidden.  Its pretty painful and tricky, but the results are worth it.  I particularly like the lead headed nails on the roof as in the 1:1 world these are always visible on structures, whereas the nail holes on timber cladding are usually not.

Thanks for your thorough commentary on your work - I enjoyed reading through it.

Cheers, Mark.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 01, 2018, 09:33:11 AM
Mark thanks for the feedback. You packed a lot of how to information in a easy way to understand, thanks. I have printed it out and it’s in my growing book of ‘how to’ so I remember next time.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
My first attempt at kitbashing is complete. Previous photos of the Campbell Supply Store which Mark commented on previous to this posting have been removed. I just did not like the way it was turning out so did a complete re-work of what I had done. I incorporated the ideas he and Greg provided, as well as just cleaned up what was becoming an overdone structure. Attached are the finished results. Thanks guys for the advice.

The one picture has a test tree next to the building. I did a little ‘how to’ for the local NMRA group About making a realistic Elm trees using a local flower called Autumn Joy. The building and figure were to show the scale and I think the tree looks good there, suspect it will be there when the scene is complete.

The rest of the photo’s are in low light as this is my first attempt to light the interior as well with LED’s. The main warehouse and shed were lite so you can see the work going on inside. Also a gooseneck light was put under the porch and over the shed door so you can see the detail there.

I spent a lot of time on this building, learned a lot. Next up Keen’s market which will be across the street or Decker’s Tar Soap which will be on the siding with the supply store.
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Post by: GPdemayo on September 08, 2018, 10:42:03 AM
Good job Jim..... 8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 10, 2018, 08:21:30 PM
Somewhere along the line I forgot the reason why I started this layout thread. It’s suppose to be about a beginners effort at modeling, not how I did something. I’ll stick to the beginner feedback hopefully from now on.

It has been just over a year since I started modeling and about seven months since I found this forum when buying a kit called J. Keen Supplies from railroadkits.com. It came with a DVD as well as a tee shirt (can’t have too many of those). It is suppose to be a beginner kit with the DVD explaining each step on how to build it. On the box it says visit ModelersForum which I did and here I am.

So beginner feedback, I am glad I did not build J. Keen Supply when first bought. Instead I started putting the kit together a month ago making it the fifth small wood kit I have built. When started I found three of the walls broken but more importantly, part of one was missing. In addition the only casting was the chimney. Not sure what happened but if I had tried to make this kit when bought not sure if I would have finished it. The DVD is well done but the way I learn is dependent on reading and pictures. I have to watch a YouTube video or DVD perhaps twenty times to absorb the information provided. Reading directions, one or two times. Experts claim there are four ways to learn, visual being one, reading another.

The first wood kit I built was a Campbell Oil Derrick Kit bought on E-bay when I decided to try the hobby.  I lucked out, directions for the kit were well documented, explaining both the how and why. There are a ton of low cost older Campbell kits on E-bay. After a year of learning if another beginner asked what wood kit to start with I would still say a Campbell kit. Cost is good, documentation great and finished kit looks fine.

So, J. Keen Supply. I liked the video and watched it at least twice, will watch it again as Doug Foscale is the teacher and provides a lot of information. The structure itself is simple, neat and would look great as is, however it also is a great starting point. Since it was my fifth kit I figured out the issues of broken walls and missing parts and simply fixed what was needed. Besides enjoying building it I wanted to apply what I’ve learned this past year by tinkering with it. What came out is a unique structure, Neuber’s Drug Store.

A beginner light bulb moment was when I realized making the structure is just phase one. Making it part of the layout and bringing it to life is as important and perhaps takes just as long.

So here are pictures of the completed first phase of Neuber’s Drugs. There is a picture of the original J. Keen Supply for reference. I’ll post the completed project when phase two is done. Hope you like the kit, I did.
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Post by: PRR Modeler on October 10, 2018, 09:00:05 PM
Really nice building Jim.
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Post by: Janbouli on October 11, 2018, 02:59:54 AM
Well done Jim, looks great.
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Post by: ACL1504 on October 11, 2018, 08:11:31 AM
Jim,

Nicely done and a great variation to the original kit.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: GPdemayo on October 11, 2018, 08:59:42 AM
Great kitbash Jim..... 8)
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Post by: jerryrbeach on October 11, 2018, 09:06:26 AM

Jim,


I wouldn't have recognized that you started with the J. Keen kit the look of the structure has changed so much.  I especially like the full width steps to the storefront.  I find that typical of the era, and I may have to borrow the idea for one of the buildings on the D&N. 
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Post by: jimmillho on October 11, 2018, 07:27:05 PM
Super job Jim.

Another Jim
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Post by: jrmueller on October 11, 2018, 08:04:21 PM
Looks great Jim another Jim checking in
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 11, 2018, 08:33:41 PM
Thanks folks for the nice compliments. The vast majority of what I have learned this year has come from this forum. For example, the enclosed staircase for Neuber’s is a Bar Mill quick kit. I had just read on the forum the problem with Laser cut wood is the grain often is not consistent with the part. Sure enough the support beams were laser cut from a sheet and not at all real looking with grain going in all directions and only 2 x 10 in scale.  I instead used it as a template and made scale 10 x 10 beams.

I get knowledge everytime I log on. With that said I will share pictures of the first structure I built. It was finished in October 2017. At that time I thought the layout would be half Ohio half Florida. My wife and kids thought it looked great. It has been removed from the layout and put on a shelf. The internet enabled forums like this and that in turn allows guys like me to leapfrog the learning curve. Thanks, it sure has increased my enjoyment of the hobby.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 11, 2018, 08:49:26 PM

Jim,


I wouldn't have recognized that you started with the J. Keen kit the look of the structure has changed so much.  I especially like the full width steps to the storefront.  I find that typical of the era, and I may have to borrow the idea for one of the buildings on the D&N. 

Thanks Jerry

We both model the same time and the issue is trying to make the building fit the period. When I made this kit I thought about how would the building evolve as the town grew. So in my world it started as Keen’s Supplies, was converted to the drug store after 10 years with the owner and his wife living upstairs. As business grew they enclosed the stairs. When kids arrived they put the porch on, then dad needed his own area so the room off the stair case was put on. There will also be a basement with an outside staircase going down the other side.

I am learning from your posts and getting great time period ideas. Thanks.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 27, 2018, 07:05:36 PM
Neuber's Drugs is complete and planted. I previously mentioned I was going to try putting the structure on foam board, complete the scene on the board and then plant it. Did not work out that way. With the size of my layout being small (181,000 square HO scale feet, 6 x 4 in real world) it was just as easier to do all the scenery directly on the layout. In addition I tore out what I had done with the supply store and completed basic scenery for both.

First, Neuber Drug's (J. Keen Supply RailroadKits.com). To complete the scene I put laser cut picnic benches in the back both on the porch and under it. Workers from the supply store are having lunch in the shaded area under the porch while the owners wife and kids are on the porch, watching the train activity and making a pumpkin pie. The families maid is also on the porch, working on the laundry. The figures are Preiser and Woodland Scenics HO figures. Some in back I painted using Delta Creamcoat paint found at Hobby Lobby. A member of the local NMRA put me onto this paint. It dries nice and really flat, does not show brush marks and shows all details well. This is becoming my go to paint. If thinned and strained it works well in my Nano Iwata airbrush when needed and with a brush it it the best I have used this past year.

 More figures are in the front. New carpet is being delivered to the owners apartment. The owner is watching two friends play checkers. His wife's sisters are coming to see the new store and of course my wife and I are coming up the sidewalk to join the party. The interior is lit and if you look you should see the inside of a drug store. It is a picture scaled down to fit. I used real glass on the building so you could see the interior better.

In the attached photo's you see the start of main street. I am using laser cut road brick made by Monster Modeling. The road is 22 feet wide (a call to Greg DeMayo provided the needed answer, from his wife Pegi also a building expert) . I used Monster Modeling 1/8 inch thick quarry stone cut brick for the sidewalks in front of the drug store side of the road. The height difference with the road brick produced a nice realistic curb height. Further, using Monster Modeling corner strips I was able to make a realistic curb and change in direction for the sidewalk.

I also put the quarry brick next to the supply store as a loading area. However it does not go all the way to the road. Instead groomed dirt is left in place.

For ground scenery I went back to using techniques I have used before. I put down Sculptamold around the areas of the two buildings. Then with the buildings wrapped in wax paper I placed them in the Sculptmold while it was still wet and pushed down slightly. This made a foundation for the buildings to sit in. When it dried I painted it with burnt sienna paint. Put dirt down, then static grass where I wanted it such as against the railroad tracks and supply store. Various colored ground cover, underbrush, small trees and large tree completed the scene.

It was fun.
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Post by: Janbouli on October 27, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
What a great scene Jim , which set from Preiser are these figures from, especially the ladies with the hats ?
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Post by: PRR Modeler on October 27, 2018, 08:28:30 PM
Great scene Jim.
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Post by: Dave K. on October 28, 2018, 07:56:56 AM
It’s been incredible watching what you’ve accomplished in a relatively short period of time...excellent!
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Post by: GPdemayo on October 28, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Great scene Jim.....love the details.....well done.  8)
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Post by: jimmillho on October 28, 2018, 11:18:29 AM
Great story to go with the Scene Jim.  Love the small details that you added.

Jim
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 28, 2018, 11:24:33 AM
What a great scene Jim , which set from Preiser are these figures from, especially the ladies with the hats ?

Thanks Jan

The little Preiser People I have picked up at estate sales for most part. The boxes on some were gone. I know I used a couple from number 12137 and 12138. I think I used one from 12131. Hard to find people from this period. Presier are great but expensive and often times the European style comes through, such as police officers with swords. Recently on e-bay I got a very old box of number 326. Writing is almost all in German and says 'Made in Federal Republic of Germany'.  I think I can modify many of the characters to be period correct. It is going to be a winter project. The neat one was the carpet layer. Found it last year when starting layout. My wife's father was a carpet layer so I was able to spin him into the story that goes with the scene.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 28, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
Great scene Jim.

Thanks Curt. I am feeling more comfortable with building structures and surrounding scenes. Still not a clue on engines and rolling stock.

Jim D
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Post by: ACL1504 on October 28, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
Jim,

The layout is looking better and better with each addition. Great to see you building kits and putting your own spin on the models.

Well done I'm looking forward to the next update.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 28, 2018, 12:18:45 PM
It’s been incredible watching what you’ve accomplished in a relatively short period of time...excellent!

Thanks Dave

The internet and forums like this sure have made learning and research easier then ever. Without it I Imagine my layout would be much more plain, and my interest level much less. Looking forward to seeing you and everyone else at the Expo.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 28, 2018, 12:25:22 PM
Great scene Jim.....love the details.....well done.  8)

Thanks Greg

I put in a call to you to make sure I got the street and sidewalks width correct. I got to talk to your wife and got the answers.

Glad you like like the scene and thanks for the help.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 28, 2018, 12:33:01 PM
Great story to go with the Scene Jim.  Love the small details that you added.

Jim

One Jim to another Thanks!

The story that goes with the scene is actually about family and friends if we were in 1910. The owner is a brother-in-law and his family. The names have been omitted to protect the innocent since a lot of inside jokes are of course part of the story. I write it up and send to all involved. It is part of the fun.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 28, 2018, 12:42:35 PM
Jim,

The layout is looking better and better with each addition. Great to see you building kits and putting your own spin on the models.

Well done I'm looking forward to the next update.

Tom  ;D

Thanks Tom
 When Deb and I visited you and Greg at your layout during the spring I took in a lot. Since then I have been reading a bunch of folks build threads, yours included. I learn every time. On the drug store I got the lessons of replacing laser cut wood that has grain going wrong way with correct scale basswood from your conversation with Mark. I also went back and put bolts in the support beams for the porch from your KC kitbash thread. Keep those build thread coming and Thanks!

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 29, 2018, 11:04:15 PM
It is time to cover up Holland Odessa R.R. until next year. This week I go to the Expo and next we winterize the Ohio home and head to Florida.

I can no longer say I am a beginner, it has been a year since I started. I am by no means accomplished but sure am enjoying the hobby for the reasons listed below.

 At the start I thought I would be running trains in circles and making plastic models. I have run the train perhaps four times. I built exactly one plastic model and it is not on the layout. Instead I can say it has been a lot more fun then expected.

Without a doubt the internet enables rapid learning by dramatically reducing the time needed to find information. In addition, forums like this and YouTube present building methods and help beginners from making mistakes. Both also opened up my eyes to the breath and richness of the hobby.

 This forum has had the largest impact on my modeling. When I joined, the guys in Florida (Tom Langford and friends) immediately reached out and said to come visit. My wife and I did and they have provided a lot of help ever since.

 The NMRA also helps. I enjoy the local group, Black Swamp Division in Ohio. They reached out and asked me to join and made me welcome.  It is nice to get together and swap ideas and visit others layouts. Some of them are amazing.

I am enjoying the ride. In addition to posting the structures built, improving what I have completed continues. So I am attaching pictures of the Holland Odessa 2018 version. Hope you enjoy.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 29, 2018, 11:07:51 PM
More wrap up photo's of 2018 from previous page.
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Post by: ACL1504 on October 30, 2018, 08:53:50 AM
Jim,

The layout is coming  along nicely. I like the boat on the bank (third photo up), nice touch.

Love the pictures, keep'm coming.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: PRR Modeler on October 30, 2018, 09:24:18 AM
The canal, boat and bridge are extremely nice.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 03, 2018, 06:06:33 PM
Went to my first Expo. Attended eight clinics, four were the hands-on type. I Learned a lot and met really nice people. Oh, of course I bought more then I should. Much of it will show up on the Ohio layout. I think the neatest is an HO Scale paddlewheel steam towboat (they actually pushed not tow).

I decided to challenge myself by taking all the parts given at the four hands-on clinics and during my free time see what I could make. The four I went to were Tips by Doug Foscale, lights by Bill Sartore, rusting with Jason Jenson, and Build a Billboard Scene by Ron Poidomani. I used parts from all clinics but ran out of time to light the building up. I plan to do that when home, promise Bill.

 I had to make the door as we were given only one wall with a window, made a door out of that wall (It can open). The side walls were clapboard. Made the foundation for them with the mat board to make light. Back wall is hydrocal. Tthe roof sheeting was enough if creative, so it is creative. The roof vent is made for a flat roof so it was the round peg in a square hole. The foundation is mat board made to look like stucco as best I could. The card stock for roof was a candy wrapper paper card. Most painting was washes made up from what I learned at clinics. There was just one 6 inch piece of 2x 6, some sidewalk material and mat board left over. It was fun putting what I learned during the day to work after hours.

Here is what came out of the parts pile.
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Post by: PRR Modeler on November 03, 2018, 07:58:00 PM
Excellent modeling.
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Post by: Zephyrus52246 on November 03, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
Looks great, especially the corrugated metal pieces.


Jeff
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Post by: NEMMRRC on November 04, 2018, 11:15:57 AM
Way cool!!


Maybe at next Expo some enterprising mind will develop a kit from all the freebies  ;D


Jaime
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Post by: NEMMRRC on November 04, 2018, 11:36:31 AM
So this completes the first build season of the layout. Hope you liked seeing the progress of a true beginner.

The biggest thing I’ve learned about this hobby is I love everything you can do on top of the layout and hate everything required under the layout. Frankly I was surprised powered rail was still the standard for the hobby, 40 years after I played with my father-in-law’s basement operation. With wifi and powerful small batteries I would have thought power would be in the engine itself and control would be wireless through bluetooth/ wifi. I guess a lot of people in the hobby love the electrical part, me not so much.

Next up the Village of Mandryville, this fall. I will be reading others work throughout the summer. I hope what I learn shows in future modeling. Thanks to all for your great posts and sharing of information. Makes a beginners effort a lot easier.
If you want to learn more about wireless train control search for "dead rail" and you will find lots on that. The garden railroad folks and the Lionel folks have had it for years. There is an effort to bring wireless rail control to HO. I don't know much about it but I know it is there.


Perhaps you've answered this already in this thread, where did you get your backdrops on your layout? They are very effective.


Thanks for sharing your railroad with us.


Jaime



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Post by: NEMMRRC on November 04, 2018, 11:53:47 AM
Somewhere along the line I forgot the reason why I started this layout thread. It’s suppose to be about a beginners effort at modeling, not how I did something. I’ll stick to the beginner feedback hopefully from now on.

...

A beginner light bulb moment was when I realized making the structure is just phase one. Making it part of the layout and bringing it to life is as important and perhaps takes just as long.

That is so true!!!!


The scenery and siting the kit on a layout/diorama is like building a whole new kit that came with no instructions  ;D


I don't know about you but I learn a great deal from my own mistakes. Don't be afraid to mess up. They are only toy trains.


Jaime
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Post by: ACL1504 on November 04, 2018, 12:41:00 PM
Jim,

Well done on your diorama. glad you got to go to the Expo and it appears it was a great success for you.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: Lynnb on November 04, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
The dioramma came out really nice, its nice to be able to apply the seminar stuff when it was fresh in your mind.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 04, 2018, 09:11:13 PM
Excellent modeling.

Thanks Curt. It was a blast trying to figure out what to do with the parts and pieces. I brought the diorama back home to light it up as well so all clinics are included in it. However, it got knocked over on trip home so some emergency operation work needs to happen first.

I like modeling and it seems to be going in the right direction, then I went into the contest room, wow, that’s all I can say. I know at least one member of the forum (I did not get much chance to talk with him) won. Dave K would know more, he knows everyone. Me I forget my own name sometimes.

Jim D

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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 04, 2018, 09:17:46 PM
Looks great, especially the corrugated metal pieces.


Jeff

Thanks Jeff. I learned a lot on improving weathering from Jason Jenson and Doug Foscale during their clinics. The two hour clinics flew by and I was the last one leaving every one. I got carried away a little on the entrance but plan to play with it some to see if I can make it more realistic. Will be good practice for next real project.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 04, 2018, 09:48:05 PM
Way cool!!


Maybe at next Expo some enterprising mind will develop a kit from all the freebies  ;D


Jaime

Hi Jamie;

Funny you mention that. I took the parts and pieces kit to the awards diner to show the guys at the table. I believe it was Jack Ellis of Bar Mills that stopped at the table to say hi to everyone. He saw the kit and said they are thinking of doing just that next year. By that I mean a group of clinics that you would sign up for and you would build a full kit going though the steps at the various clinics. I think that would be neat.

As for the back drop on my layout, the current one is from Train Junkie’s, William Prusso. He was great to work with and the cost was not high. Mine is actually N scale on the HO layout. Down the road I might learn photoshop and try my hand at making a scene that flows with the setting but until then this backdrop works great.

This winter I plan to look into battery powered engines. If I can make it work the Florida layout will be code 55 fast track to just hold the train on the rails, when I get around to starting it. There is a lot to the hobby so we will see. Won’t be until 2020 for sure.

Thanks
Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 04, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
Somewhere along the line I forgot the reason why I started this layout thread. It’s suppose to be about a beginners effort at modeling, not how I did something. I’ll stick to the beginner feedback hopefully from now on.

...

A beginner light bulb moment was when I realized making the structure is just phase one. Making it part of the layout and bringing it to life is as important and perhaps takes just as long.

That is so true!!!!


The scenery and siting the kit on a layout/diorama is like building a whole new kit that came with no instructions  ;D


I don't know about you but I learn a great deal from my own mistakes. Don't be afraid to mess up. They are only toy trains.


Jaime

Jamie

You are only too right. I love scenery and thought I had a pretty good handle on it, then I listened to Hal Reynolds’ on his ‘Scenery Tweaking’ and was blown away. I have two pages of scribbled notes and a bunch of pictures from his quick 45 minute clinic. Now to organize it, figure it out and try to duplicate what he showed. Amazing man.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 04, 2018, 10:01:48 PM
Jim,

Well done on your diorama. glad you got to go to the Expo and it appears it was a great success for you.

Tom  ;D

Thanks Tom;

It was great to learn and meet both Forum Members and others. Much different type show then ones I attended when working. At the Expo vendors and Modeler’s freely interacted not just at the show but all the time. In my business world it was us and them.

Oh by the way I asked Slim during his clinic why my lighted drug store was so bright. He then taught me about current limiters. Once installed I hope not to have my own fire.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 04, 2018, 10:09:27 PM
The dioramma came out really nice, its nice to be able to apply the seminar stuff when it was fresh in your mind.

Thanks Lynn;

It was fun but you are right, making it it helped lock in what the instructors showed.

Jim D
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Post by: GPdemayo on November 05, 2018, 08:48:04 AM
Well done Jim.....sounds like you had a lot of fun.....can't wait to hear about your adventures..  8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on November 05, 2018, 02:40:14 PM
Well done Jim.....sounds like you had a lot of fun.....can't wait to hear about your adventures..  8)

Thanks Greg;

It was fun and it was the people that made it so. Looking forward to getting together. We are heading down this week.

Job m D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 03, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
We are back in Ohio for the summer and fall, hard to believe it's been almost two years since I started this hobby and this layout. Over a year since I started posting my progress. During the past winter I made a version of FOS Decker's Tar Soap, which I call Schwarz Stamping. It was made in honor of Tom Schwarz whom I met last year at the EXPO. The forum named the Winter Kit Challenge after Tom as he passed away shortly after going home.

There is still much to do on main street but I have placed Schwarz Stamping at its new home.
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-030619125206.jpeg)
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-030619130155.jpeg)
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Post by: GPdemayo on June 03, 2019, 01:32:16 PM
Looks good in it's new home Jim.....see you in the fall.  8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 03, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
As I continue to build out the structures for Mandryville I have been adding details. I'm at a point that parts of the layout are starting to come to life. I took this for a contest asking for scenery based pictures. It is late September in NW Ohio. The leaves are just starting to change with a hint of fall in the air. Two boys are watching the canal boats going by wondering what exotic places they are travel to, perhaps as far away as Cincinnati! The lighting bugs are starting to come out so they better hurry home before they are late for diner.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-030619130518.jpeg)
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Post by: Janbouli on June 03, 2019, 02:47:53 PM
Looks nice with all the details Jim
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Post by: Jim Donovan on June 04, 2019, 07:56:19 PM
Thanks Jan

I like detailing, it tells the story of the scene. I plan to be doing a lot of it this summer. Looking forward to building out the town as well.

Thanks Greg - will catch up soon.

Jim
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Post by: Oldguy on June 04, 2019, 10:23:44 PM
A lot of life in that scene.
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Post by: MAP on June 05, 2019, 07:24:23 AM
Looks great Jim!
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Post by: jimmillho on June 05, 2019, 03:40:02 PM
Nice job Jim.

from another Jim

Jim
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Post by: Dennis Bourey on July 04, 2019, 08:31:28 PM
Awesome job Jim....... Dennis
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 25, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-250719140417.jpeg)

This is test if I can post. Building is current project a Downtown Deco Kit. Bottom to be bank above a gambling hall
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Post by: postalkarl on July 25, 2019, 03:25:34 PM
Hey jim:

Nice RR. Keep the pics coming.

Karl
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 19, 2019, 09:03:54 PM
Thanks Karl;

I have been unable to post for some time due to the sites server issues. Hopefully it is working and this gets uploaded.

I finished my latest kit effort, Downtown Deco's Metal Bank. The lower floor is Scott Bank and the second floor Jefferies Poker Palace. Jefferies has a rather dubious reputation with attractive young ladies often arriving in the evening on the arms of, shall we say, 'seasoned' gentlemen. In order to avoid misunderstandings with either wives or the some of the local police a ladder leads to a roof exit with a back wall ladder that can be  lowered to the ground when needed.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 19, 2019, 09:42:39 PM
This is the first Hydrocal kit I have attempted. I spent a bunch of time studying how to put these kits together as well as how it would fit onto the layout. I made  this building with all glass windows were the glass is on the panes, even the open tilt windows. I ended up practice cutting Clover Glass and microscope slide covers to the point I can cut them out faster than plastic now. I also spent a good amount of time working on my wall sign technique. Brett Wiley put out a great video on how to make realistic wall signs which I followed. The front part of the building is lite and I may put a gooseneck light on the staircase door. Finally, I scratch built the water tank and the staircase. The men exiting the roof hatch will be part of a story I will write about the goings on for the building. I am not sure if it will be wives or the police they are running from, I'm thinking wives, they are more frightening.

I found hydrocal has its advantages but also its frustrations, perhaps it was just this kit, or me or both. It had a lot of bubbles on the plaster I needed to remove. The walls were warped and uneven.  Finally, it was very hard for me to get everything square. All that said I was able to correct most everything and my next kit up is also made of hydrocal so hopefully experience will help.

I named the bank after my youngest son Scott who is the finance guy of the family. The top is named after a nephew, who had an exciting bachelorhood but was finally corralled by a great gal. That said he still likes Las Vegas.

Next up is a hotel and then I plan to finish main street with the three buildings I will have completed. I am going pretty slow and enjoying the time. Hope you see some progress as I go.
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Post by: jimmillho on August 19, 2019, 09:58:43 PM
Love the Building, Love the Story.

Great Job.

Jim
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Post by: GPdemayo on August 20, 2019, 08:53:33 AM
Well done Jim.....you're right about cops vs. wives.  8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 20, 2019, 07:49:24 PM
Thanks Jim and Greg. There will be a fun story to go with it of course, all my family and neighbors will eventually end up having their turn, it is part of the fun.

Jim D
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Post by: S&S RR on August 20, 2019, 09:39:23 PM
Jim


Great work! I'm glad you are able to post again. 
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Post by: postalkarl on August 21, 2019, 03:29:26 PM
Hey Jim:

Just beautiful work. I just love the boat scene.

Karl
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Post by: PRR Modeler on August 21, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
Beautiful scene. I especially like the canal and boat.
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Post by: ACL1504 on August 21, 2019, 06:16:41 PM
Jim,

Great job, it all looks wonderful.,

Tom  ;D
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Post by: Zephyrus52246 on August 21, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
Nice job on the Downtown Deco kit. 


Jeff
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Post by: deemery on August 22, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
I always wanted to do a canal scene, but could never fit it into available space (and get it to look right...) 


It's good to see yours!



dave
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Post by: jerryrbeach on August 23, 2019, 06:24:17 PM
Jim,


I like the bank with the upstairs card room and its backstory.  The cards on the side of the outside stairway are a nice touch, something I haven't seen previously.  As nice as the structure is, my favorite is the way the road, trees, and canal provide both a scene divider as well as lead the viewer's eye into the scenes.  IMO these things really make your layout seem larger than it is. Really looking forward to seeing the town grow. 
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 24, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
Thank you to everyone for the positive comments. You made my day.

 The canal scene pretty much dictated the time period I was going to model. I had already decided to model the local area and thought the canal would add something. The canal existed from 1845 to about 1913 but uniquely was never enlarged from its original dimensions, making modeling it doable. The rest I am winging it.

Thanks Again

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 04, 2019, 09:12:11 PM
So a quick story. I listen to a Podcast called HO Scale Customs. One of the members of this forum, Todd Wiley, and his son Brett put out a weekly podcast as well as a tool idea podcast and even live YouTube videos. They are very busy with a growing following. Todd was one of the people I met when I went to the EXPO in 2018. He saw I was going to be eating alone and invited me to join him and his wife for dinner. It was a great night and the beginning of a growing friendship.

Anyhow, they decided to begin having a weekly photo contest a while back as part of the show. The very first contest was to send your most unique layout photo, and I won sending the canal boat picture as seen from behind. Of course they were just getting going, people did not know where or how to submit photos and so there was me and one other individual who sent in a photo of a boxcar seen on raw track nailed to plywood and a blue background. You would have thought I won the Nobel Peace Prize. I told one and all of my winning the contest. Todd has never mentioned that there were only two entries nor have I told him I knew from the start. Here is the winning photo.
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-040919210318.jpeg)
So this week the contest is to show a structure you have made using only left over scrap. I am submitting photos of the tool shed I made out of scrap when I was at the 2018 EXPO and met him and his lovely wife Lisa. I posted previously pictures of the building on a small diorama I had made, here it is in its final spot, hard working at the oil rig site. I took it as an opportunity to work on my photography so some pictures are touched up and a background placed behind shed.
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-040919201459-397482396.jpeg)
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-040919201459-39873826.jpeg)
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-040919201459-39872631.jpeg)
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Post by: PRR Modeler on September 05, 2019, 09:06:40 AM
Neat scenes Jim.
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Post by: GPdemayo on September 05, 2019, 09:29:25 AM
Great progress Jim..... 8)
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Post by: Dennis Bourey on September 05, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
Jim, Just caught up on this build. WOW!!!!!!.....Dennis
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 05, 2019, 09:13:09 PM
Thanks Curt, Greg and Dennis, glad you enjoyed the story and pictures. I'll be posting the latest work on the layout shortly.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 05, 2019, 11:25:36 PM
I have been working my way from the left side of the layout to the right. With only 6' x 4' to work with I need to envision beforehand what would be realistic in 1910 while at the same time fun to make. The history of this area is fascinating. Northwest Ohio in 1910 was booming as I mentioned previously. Oil was still king but the future lay with manufacturing. Electricity was being rapidly installed for factories and interurban railroads. Roads were being paved with brick or stone (and soon asphalt) for the benefit of factories and the shopping area (Main Street). Still, outside the primary streets in town most roads were little more than rutted dirt paths. Wagons pulled by large horses, like Belgians, were the simi-trucks of their day. Most goods going long distance moved by train with the days of canals fading. As towns grew into cities (Toledo for NW Ohio) they in turn created opportunities for the surrounding towns like Waterville. Waterville is the town I loosely use as the template for the layouts' village, Mandryville. A quick re-cap of its' history is here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterville,_Ohio

With incredible growth and no real zoning laws it was very common to have industrial buildings next to houses and retail business. For example The City of Toledo mandated sidewalks were to be installed in front of all commercial business and paid for by those businesses. However the law did not specify what the sidewalk needed to be made of and only a general guide in width and elevation above the adjoining road. Therefore, the most common sidewalk was first made out of wood, and not kept up very well. However, business that used heavy equipment or wanted to draw retail customers (Main Street) quickly switched to brink, stone or asphalt. By 1920 much more oversight was happening with more permanent sidewalks of brick, stone and asphalt the norm.

Enough history. With several buildings now complete it is time to 'plant' them and bring Mandryville to life. I am incorporating the wood sidewalks for part of main street and brick or stone for the rest, depends on the business. I was able to buy a quantity of herringbone style road brick from Monster Scale Modeling before they closed. I am using this for Main Street.

So Welcome To Mandryville:
(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212504-398741556.jpeg)

The two main industries in town are Oostra's Supply (grain, feed, vet supplies) and Schwarz Stamping (Metal stamping for ceiling tile, custom sheeting, body parts for the growing auto industry and such). They are located next to each other on a siding of the Holland Odessa R.R.. Originally the Oosta family (founding fathers of the town) fought the opening of the stamping factory. Oostra had been in business for fifty years and received their goods by canal boat. They had no need for a noisy, smoking, belching factory like Schwartz's right next to thema. But old Stomping Tom Schwartz could talk a canary out of a tree while petting a cat. He offered Amanda Gordy (President of Oostra Supply) to pay half the cost of a siding to bring the Holland Odessa R.R. to both their facilities. Tom might have had a glib tongue but he'd met his match with Miss Amanda. She listened, smiled and then laughed. If Tom wanted the siding he would pay 100% of the cost of installing it, which was an unbelievable $20,000 dollars. Furthermore, as the land he wanted included some owned by the Oostra family, he would be responsible for maintenance of the siding for ten years, after which they would split the cost. Tom knew with the siding he would become a primary supplier to a growing firm in Detroit. He knew the gentleman that owned the company, Henry Ford and Henry had told him he had developed a secret method of manufacturing that would make automobiles affordable for everyone. Stomping Tom Schwarz knew the world was changing and he wanted to be part of it. He had half the money he needed and knew a fella that was making waves in the banking industry, Scott Donovan. Scott saw that cars were going to be big, as a matter of fact his father, James Donovan (aka The Professor) owned a red 1905 Ford Motel T convertible. It wasn't till 1912 when Ford made all Model T's black (the paint dried faster).
The deal was struck and as they say, the rest is history.

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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 05, 2019, 11:52:27 PM
So now you know how history says it all happened, time to talk about how it really happened. I read how best to paint the bricks, mortar and weather the laser cut brick wood from Monster Model Works. The primary paint used was a mix of Cermacoat Dark Cherry, Raw Umber and a little Raw Sierra. I did it in small batches which resulted in the different colorations seen in the road. Next up was getting the mortar right. I tried a lot of different things, most not working. Then I found using a dry speckling compound for dry wall repairs worked fantastic and produced vivid white mortar lines. I will use this compound for future brick walls. Still, white is not really good for dirty brick roads. I wanted the brick to look used and dirty but I wanted to have the herringbone pattern very visible. The answer was a very light wash over the speckling compound made up of ocher. The mix was one part paint, 9 parts water. With the white foundation the yellow ocher really made the brick dirty but kept the brick pattern easily visible. Here is the result:

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212505-39901274.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 06, 2019, 12:19:32 AM
With the road ready I put Oostra's in place. I had stone brick put across the length of the building with it being 12 scale feet wide. The Oostra's decided that would be enough stone road to hold the heavy wagons while unloading. I stained it with a couple of gray washes. I then used joint compound to fill the joints. A thinned Mod Podge ( 50/50 water) was used to glue the joint compound in place. As the look was a little too dark with just the joint compound I used a white acrylic India ink wash to lighten the mortar lines. Perhaps 5 percent ink and the rest water.

The balance of the staging area that doubles as a sidewalk was made of laser cut plank wood which was bought from Monster Model Works. It was weathered first using a file brush to distress the wood. Then Hunterline light gray was applied. Next I wore the wood plank edges down as well as pulled some boards up or made a holes in them. Finally Hunterline Cordovan Brown was put down with a sponge in a blotchy pattern to show uneven wear. In between the two coats I used the fine line ponce wheel I bought from Dr. Ben's. I like the fine pattern it puts down for nail holes. They are visible but not highly visible. And here is the result:

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212738-39904736.jpeg)
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Post by: Janbouli on September 06, 2019, 03:09:03 AM
Great looking road , and the town is coming along fantastic.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 06, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Thanks Jan, I enjoy my time working on the layout. Still rather new to the hobby I probably spend 3 times more researching and learning how to do something then the project itself takes. A bad habit I picked up is experimenting on the project itself rather then practicing on something else. It is something I am trying to stop as I find less is best.

Jim D
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Post by: CVSNE on September 06, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
Jim,


Just  spent an enjoyable (and extended!) lunch reading your progress to date.


Fascinating stuff!


Marty



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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 06, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
Thanks Marty!

I am just in the process of uploading the last of what I have completed. I am enjoying the journey but summer is almost over and come October we head back to Florida so I am trying to get some stuff finished and cleaned up before I put it all under a plastic sheet for the winter.

Jim D
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Post by: bparrish on September 06, 2019, 12:41:51 PM
Jim...

What at great shot.

There is so much going on in that photo.

thanx
bob
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 06, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Bob thank you! You guys have again made my day! Next up the journey continues.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 06, 2019, 09:06:43 PM
Having posting problems again. Will try another time.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:28:07 AM
Well lets try again.  With the road done I started making the street come alive. I have a new static applicator I made by War World Scenics. https://www.war-world.co.uk/ . It is a small applicator designed to get into tight spots and give you better control were the grass goes. I bought mine at a discount on E-Bay but they are available from Amazon and other places. I suggest checking out their web site, they have a lot of good ideas.

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212505-399021309.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
The applicator worked better then I could ever imagine. I used Mod-Podge as the glue and worked one small area at a time. I was able to use 2mm, 4mm and 6mm. The only issue is the small hopper. I needed to make sure to untangle the static grass so it was loose and not allow it to be in a ball when placed in the applicator. The applicator put out a great good static charge and I did not get any shocks while applying the grass due to the protected cap. I have seen articles and videos talking about the percentage of grass they could get to stand. All I know is this applicator really made the grass stand at attention.

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212738-399031042.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
Here are pictures showing the trail coming around the building with the new fall foliage and static grass added to both sides of trail.

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212504-39900845.jpeg)

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212504-398991353.jpeg)

Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:41:58 AM
The only part left to do is the back of the building but I am going to wait until I get Schwarz planted.

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212738-39906808.jpeg)
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Post by: deemery on September 07, 2019, 08:42:11 AM
I remember when Micro-Mark offered a "static grass rake" (that was a woman's eyebrow brush.)
(http://www.pravera.co.uk/media/uploads/cat-803/kost-kamm-eyebrow-comb-brush-zoom.jpg)


I'm sure you can find one for a buck or two at Wal-Mart :-)


dave
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:48:18 AM
Finally, the building is lite in the front loading and back loading dock. I need to put a little more Tamiya clear yellow (X-24) paint on the LEDs to make the light more realistic for that time. The lights are dimmable but I have them bright for this picture.

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212738-399051883.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:49:43 AM
Next up is Schwartz Stamping. I can hear the steam boilers whistling, the presses pounding, and the Stomping Tom Schwarz shouting to be heard. The windows are all open to catch the light breeze blowing helping keep the temperature inside under 100 degrees.  Ahh, the good old days.

You might have noticed that both Oostra Supply and Schwarz Stamping look a little different from previous pictures. I modified the buildings from the feedback received from other modelers. Schwarz especially had a lot of re-work done to it. Hope you like the changes.

At this point I am not exactly sure how I want to proceed with the parking area, loading area and outside staging area. Should I continue with the cut stone or go with straight laid American red brick, gravel, wood, dirt? I am open to suggestions. The right side of the photo below with foam board showing will be the road over to the train station, supply store and canal. I plan to brick (or cobble stone) the road up to the tracks. The other side will remain as is. Suggestions on that are welcome too.

(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212738-399071079.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 07, 2019, 08:52:08 AM
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(https://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-050919212823.jpeg)

So now we are caught up. Send me your ideas and until next time you can see Mr. Oostra waving goodby in the picture, or he might just be cursing because he has a freight car to unload and Schwarz is hogging the siding as usual.
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Post by: jerryrbeach on September 07, 2019, 09:29:53 AM
Jim,

Beautiful photos.  The backstory with figures and other details really bring life to the layout. You really have a talent for scene composition.  Your trees and roads along with the angles of your photos really draw the viewer into the scene.  Your buildings look realistic, the changes you made have helped them look typical for your era.

I suggest you continue the road with the cobblestone past Scwartz Stamping before returning to dirt.  I think changing to brick in such a short space would look contrived.  The stone would make sense because any wagons loading or unloading at Schwartz would likely be fairly heavy. 

Looking forward to more photos!
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 28, 2019, 10:46:29 PM
Jerry;

Sorry it has taken me so long to say thanks. I appreciate the input and glad things are moving in the right direction.

Since my last update The Boss and I took a trip of a lifetime. We flew to Calgary, Canada and among other things, took the Rocky Mountaineer to Vancouver. It was all I could hope for. There were 18 cars on our trip with right at 1000 passengers. I was told it was the most cars they had had on a trip this year.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280919224053.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 28, 2019, 11:40:57 PM
Next up; time to get T. Schwarz Stamping & Manufacturing Co. into operation. With orders piling up Stomping Tom has his work cut out for him. While his fiend Henry Ford has yet to come through with his promised orders (production of the model T went into full scale production in 1912) business is booming for his metal tile. It is all the rage for the banks, hotels and other businesses popping up like mushrooms in the Midwest. The Industrial Revolution is in full swing and the country has never seen anything like the growth it is seeing in this new century (1900's).

Schwarz Stamping was the first (and to this day only) kit I did a build thread while making it. It was part of the past Winter Challenge named after Tom Schwarz, a fellow modeler who past away suddenly after having just attended the 2018 EXPO in Albany. I was fortunate to have met Tom and got to know him briefly as I too was at that EXPO. If you would like to see the build thread it is here:

http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4131.0

This kit started life as a Decker Tar Soap Kit made by FOS Scale Models. It was challenging for me given my level of skill, fun but also frustrating. The frustration came from me making the beginners cardinal mistake, trying new things directly on the model, rather than trying out the idea and practicing the technique on something else first. So I 'finished it' and set it aside. About a month ago I started tinkering with it again, fixing what I did not like until a couple of days ago when asking for advice a friend said simply 'stop'. Some of you know him, Dave Keuiswyk. He is one of the best modelers I know. I first met him at the EXPO as well. He told me the kit looked fine, stop fussing with it and move on. Good Advise, I was starting to see every little mistake.

So first here is the real Tom Schwarz (left), Dave is in the middle and Tom's friend Chris Mincemoyer (right).

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280919232736.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 28, 2019, 11:51:31 PM
So Stomping Tom Schwarz has his hands full. Lots of orders and a building that, let's just say, won't win any beauty contests but in his eyes is the beginning of a growing empire.

The building as it is now that I have stopped:

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280919214933-403701923.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280919214933-404321802.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280919222610.jpeg)

I have not a clue what happened to the last picture but I am just happy to be able to post. I am restricted to posting in the evening so suspect the server is having volume issues during the day but that is another story.

Next posting Stomping Tom should be in business.

Jim D

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Post by: jerryrbeach on September 29, 2019, 07:01:31 AM
Jim,

I really like how Schwarz Stamping turned out in its final rendition.  The ivy in the wall is a really nice touch.  I agree with Dave, time to call it done. 

In my opinion there are two different types of modelers that post on craftsman type forums.  The first is contest quality modelers.  You know them, they're the ones that leave everyone in awe of their creations.  They try to achieve perfection in every detail, and are successful in reaching that goal.  Every knot hole, rotten board or cracked window pane is exact.  I realized some time ago that I would never be one of those modelers.  I am what I like to think of as a layout modeler.  Every model I build has flaws (mistakes, if you prefer) that keep it from being contest quality.  I refuse to obsess over the flaws because when taken in the overall context of my layout it is doubtful they will ever be noticed.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Post by: GPdemayo on September 29, 2019, 08:07:09 AM
Well done Jim.....great looking structure.  8)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 05, 2019, 09:05:12 PM
Thanks Jerry and Greg thanks for following along and the feedback. Guess I fall into the second type of modeler too. I enjoy the hobby and like sharing my progress but don't expect to be entering the NMRA national contest anytime soon. ;D

Schwarz Stamping is on the layout and perhaps half the detailing for the site is done. I used a textured brick paper for around the building. The paper comes from Europe and really looks good if used in small areas and you use pastel chalks to help break up any patterns. I took Jerry's idea and carried the cut stone for the parking and loading area. As I mentioned previously, in 1910 the business was in charge of providing the sidewalk. Due to the heavy metal plating used in the stamping operation the cut stone was used all the way to the brick road. So here is Schwarz Stamping with Tom Schwarz himself sitting on the porch with his dog. He's waiting for the evening foreman and crew to arrive so he can go over to the grand opening party underway at Nueber Drugs.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019205027-407332131.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019205027-407321676.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019202728-407271028.jpeg)




I did not get as much done on the layout this year as I expected. The more I learn the slower I go. I have included a few pictures showing the layout as it stands for the winter.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on October 05, 2019, 09:19:49 PM
Here is where Mandryville will stay for the winter, Deb and I are heading to our Florida home for the winter, I wish I had made more progress but I will be structure and vehicle building this winter.

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019202728-407302012.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019202353-407181785.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019202728-40729148.jpeg)

(http://www.modelersforum.com/gallery/785-051019202728-40728843.jpeg)

Hope you like the progress, as slow as it was this year.
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Post by: jerryrbeach on October 06, 2019, 09:47:58 AM
Jim,

Tom Schwarz is quite the dapper gentleman in his white suit.  As I've said before, I really like the way the sight lines draw the viewer into the scenes.  The pic of Schwarz Stamping through the trees is something I hope to achieve on my layout, though with different structures of course.  Safe travels on your way to Florida. 
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Post by: S&S RR on October 06, 2019, 11:55:35 AM
Jim


The scenes are really looking nice - love the details and the story behind them.
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Post by: cuse on October 06, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Very nice work!


John
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Post by: Dave K. on October 06, 2019, 01:01:31 PM
Great scenes!
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Post by: jrmueller on October 17, 2019, 10:52:21 AM
Jin - Thanks for the information on the micro static grass applicator. I have ordered one for an early Christmas present.  Jim
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Post by: ACL1504 on October 17, 2019, 01:41:37 PM
Jim,

Great looking scene.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 12, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
Well it has been two years since I started modeling as I write this and almost almost nine months since my last post detailing the layouts progress. It just seems like a couple of days ago in some ways and a lifetime in other. I would never believed the world would change so much in so short a time. The scary part is I am afraid we are just in the beginnings of this chaotic change, not even close to the end.

I can do little about the world picture but I have been modeling and working on the northern layout even while we have had to stay in Florida for longer then we wanted. We finally head north this week and I hope to show some great progress in short order. I am taking all the various parts and pieces built while here to 'plant' them in Mandryville.

First up will be Azzie's Apple Orchard. Our youngest granddaughter (Azzie) had me promise to make her a building on the layout. She loves going to McQueens Orchard in Ohio so it was an easy decision what business she would be famous for in 1910. There will be a story of course to go with the scene, while I can't spill all the beans I do know that when she marries in this alternate universe her last name changes to Mott.

Azzie Apple's started life as a kit from Railroads.com called Penynn Fruits. I replaced the Tichy barn doors and upper windows with scratch built, made from scale lumber and real glass. Also scratch built was the roof vent. The roof itself was changed from a tar paper to cedar shake from BEST. Rafter tails were added under the eves. The front doors and upper window are shadow boxed and a LED backlight installed for even viewing. The foundation is textured brick paper. Some of the signs need to be redone but I will wait till we are up north. I used the Inkscape program to modify old signs found on line.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-120720214746.png)
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-120720214328-449522186.jpeg)

When completed on the layout the barn will be a processing plant for hard cider (what else!). As part of the operation I made a typical 1910 steam operated conveyor which will lift the apples up to the second floor where the cider press will process them. I have a donkey engine painted and ready to go, just need to see how to fit it all together. The conveyor was designed using the open source Inkscape program. The resulting SVG files were then sent to a Cameo 3 print/ cutter I have that cut the needed parts out of .4mm styrene. The styrene was bought at Big Lots and started life as 10 x 12 No Parking signs. Costing $.99 each they are a lot less then buying modeling styrene and as far as I could tell worked just fine. The gears and wheels were cut out of vellum paper and card stock. The drive chain is not the correct type but it is what I had so artistic license was invoked.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-120720214329-449601558.jpeg)
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-120720214329-449611451.jpeg)
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-120720214329-44963167.jpeg)

So that is tonight's update. Hope you like the progress.
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Post by: ReadingBob on July 13, 2020, 07:12:53 AM
Really nice job on Azzie's Apple Orchard Jim!  Very impressive upgrade from the original kit (which is nice in as well). 

At least we have our wonderful hobby and our own little miniature worlds to lose ourselves in while the outside world seems to be going to heck in a handbasket.
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Post by: GPdemayo on July 13, 2020, 08:49:49 AM
Nice job Jim..... 8)
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Post by: PRR Modeler on July 13, 2020, 08:59:04 AM
Very nice Jim and I'm sure Azzie will love it.
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Post by: postalkarl on July 13, 2020, 04:48:58 PM
Hey Jim:

You model looks just great.

Karl
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Post by: jerryrbeach on July 13, 2020, 06:54:23 PM
Jim,


Your changes made this building look "rural", as well as helping it fit into your era.  Great job.  I really like the conveyor.  Clever idea and nice execution.  I'm looking forward to seeing it powered with the donkey engine.  One question:  How did you build the "see thru" clerestory sides?  It really caught my eye. 
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 13, 2020, 07:03:45 PM
Thanks guys glad you think it came out fine.

What I love (hate) is what the camera tells you. For me it told me I need to work on my sign application, go back to real brick for the foundation and lighten up on the weathering. Still from 3 feet away it looks fine so I think I just might get a hug from my granddaughter.

 ::)

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 13, 2020, 07:19:19 PM
Hi Jerry;

Thanks for checking in and the compliment. The conveyor was fun since it was all scratch built but I doubt I'd make another, really tiny parts. I think I have over 40 hours in it, designing it took more time then putting it together. In the old time pictures I saw no two looked alike so I just designed it the way I'd expect a chain driven belt would operate.

The vented clerestory sides (had to look that up, you got me on that one) are cut to shape from Tichy plastic grates. I have brass mesh screen I was going to use but saw the Tichy grates and thought the tighter vent look would fit even better.The ends were printed out .4mm styrene from that NO PARKING sign I mentioned. The corrugated roof is some KC paper corrugated I had left over.

I hope to have the scene 'up and running' in a couple of weeks.

Jim D
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Post by: jerryrbeach on July 13, 2020, 09:51:51 PM
Jim,


Thank you!  Tichy grates.  Inspired idea.  I'll have to get some next time I send a Tichy order. 


I did not realize it took so long to build the conveyor.  FWIW, Walthers has an old time coal conveyor you might find useful. 


https://www.walthers.com/old-time-coal-conveyor-kit-pkg-3 (https://www.walthers.com/old-time-coal-conveyor-kit-pkg-3)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 09:05:01 PM
OK Jerry rub it in! I found a pack of three up here in Ohio when I got here, guess I forgot :o!

Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
So we are in Ohio and I have finished Azzie Apples (got a big hug from my grandaughter though she still thinks the apples are too small! )To complete the scene I had made 5 wire trees during the past winter. Three I made into the shape of a local apple tree called Jacobson. Back in 1910 apples were not grown primarily for eating but rather for the production of hard cider. Jonathan trees are large so they are pruned heavily as they grow resulting in their branches turning back towards the ground, much like the apple trees in the Wizard of Oz. So here is Azzie Apples:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720211930-45259835.jpeg)

And With A Little Background Magic:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720211930-452621949.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 10:27:42 PM
To make the scene I first placed the structure on poster board cut to the shape where the scene will set. I knew the board would warp but figured I would straighten it out when glued in place. It worked fine but from now on I will use something stronger like gator board. No sense making work when there are products that don't need to be 're-worked'.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720220435-452731661.jpeg)

With the structure in place I built up a ramp on the backside so the steam engine and conveyor can be located in place. I used 12 x 12 timbers for the posts and 2 x 12 for the horizontal retaining wall boards. Hunter medium brown was used to stain them. Gray fine gravel was glued in place on the ramp using a mod-podge/ water mix  after the area had been sprayed with wet water. The steam engine was glued in place as was the conveyor, both with a dab of super glue. Using a scale 6 inch wide strip of #600 fine grit sandpaper I fashioned pulley belts for both. I made kick plates out of scrap wood and mounted them on the appropriate part of the wall. I then glued the belts in place on the engine to its kick plate going into the building and the belt to the kick plate above the second floor door and then to the conveyor. In real world operation the steam engine would turn a belt going into the building. Other belts and pulleys would be used to operate the cider press and a belt going to the conveyor to move the apples to the press area.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720220434-452701380.jpeg)

If you look carefully at the above picture you can see the two belts going into the building. I fashioned the steam shed from 4 x 4 for the posts and 2 x 4's for the roof bracing. At one point everything looked exact until I needed to put it in place and the smoke stack was in the way. As not much of this would be seen I cut out what was needed and put the frame in place. I airbrushed the frame barn red and used paper corrugated roofing I had on had on hand to finish the shed. Not seen in the picture is the coal box and water pump installed for the steam engine.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 10:49:24 PM
As I mentioned I had made five wire trees for this project during the past winter. These were made with 26 gauge floral wire following the method shown by Luke Towen on his YouTube channel. The wire is coated with liquid latex and after several 'dippings' the latex masks the wire shape while allowing the branches to be bent as needed. In following pictures you will see how this allowed me to produce the heavy limb Jonathan Trees as well as the other more normal trees. Each was airbrushed with a light brown and then a light gray. To fill in the trees I used two Woodland Scenic metal armatures. The Woodland truck trees had clumped foliage glued to the branches. The wired trees were sprayed with Loctite spray glue and were first dipped in a bucket of fine light green Woodland Scenics ground cover.  Next the two 'normal' apple trees were again sprayed but this time dipped in a bucket of Scenic Express dark green leaf material. This was repeated. The Jacobson trees underwent the same treatment but with olive colored leaves rather than dark green. Finally, all trees  were lightly sprayed and apples from Scenic Woodlands was sprinkled on each. So in the previous you can see how they turned out. Here is how they started.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720224643-452742221.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 11:08:05 PM
Once the ramp was made I built the dirt road to the building and created the undergrowth in the area. First the board was spray painted a medium green. Then using Elmer's glue and water (50/50) I used a brush and wet the entire board not covered by the building or ramp. Then using a container containing fine dirt and a nylon cover (old stockings with rubber band) I shook the dirt till it covered the board. I left it dry overnight (that's when the board warped). Next I used 2, 4 and 6 mm static grass and applied it one at a time with the precision applicator I have in the areas where the trees would be and alongside the road as well as near the building and ramp. I used various shades to create a layering effect. To glue the grass in place I had first put down straight Elmer's glue. Using a large round paint brush I dabbed the glue, the dabbing creates a rippling effect and helps achieve a more realistic look.

Once all was applied I let everything dry for a day. Next day I put dead leaves in the areas were each tree would be and then glued the trees in place. The bottom loop of each tree was first cut in half and the bottom separated into three or four parts to create the needed roots.

This picture is not in order but it does show the light green Jonathan tree branches turned downward and the normal apple trees much darker in color.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720212151-452672191.jpeg)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 11:24:06 PM
Before gluing the poster board in place I wired the building as well as two 'kerosene' lamps. I put a current limiter in place for the lamps but then found out they are 12 volt, as is the light in the building. Finally the poster board was glued in place with Elmer's and weights put in place to help the board straighten and stay glued to the layouts top.

With it firmly in place I decided to take artistic licence and put textured brick paper around the boarder to created the effect of raised land over surrounding low land (swamp). With it in place I again used static grass in the area between the track and the brick. To complete the scenery I used various Woodland Scenics Foliage branches to make bushes and small trees. At the end of the scene going to the curved bridge I added ground cover of multiple shades and placed an Elm tree I had previously made.

Last but certainly not least I added all the necessary touches to make the scene come alive including the three wagons, two of which I had made previously, the third came from Preiser. The people are all Preiser, most I painted but the three main family members AZZIE and her parents were pre-painted. I put an alcohol wash on all figures prior to putting them on the layout.

OK enough nuts and bolts. Here is how the corner of the layout that is Azzie's Apples looks from a distance:
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720212151-452661116.jpeg)
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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 11:29:12 PM
And here are pictures up close:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720211931-452652124.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720211931-45264927.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720211930-452632413.jpeg)

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Post by: Jim Donovan on July 31, 2020, 11:32:51 PM
Well that is about it for today. Dinner is ready and Azzie along with the rest of the family are waiting. So I guess I better walk up the road with my pup Maggie Mae and join them. Hope you enjoyed the journey.

Jim D

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310720212151-452681762.jpeg)
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Post by: tct855 on August 01, 2020, 02:25:57 AM
Jim,
       Oh- Shut the front door!!!!  These are awesome pics of awesome scenery and modeling.  Love it!  keep'em coming.  Having fun watching from here! 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanx Thom...
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Post by: ACL1504 on August 01, 2020, 07:23:54 AM
Jim,

Very well done on the corner scene. You've done a wonderful job on the layout and your scenery is perfect for your era.

Well done.

Tom  ;D
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Post by: jerryrbeach on August 01, 2020, 07:48:24 AM
Jim,


That is such a wonderful scene!  It really sets the mood with its period details and the hand made trees.  You are really using every inch of space to its advantage.  Cannot wait to see the hotel added to the layout.
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Post by: GPdemayo on August 01, 2020, 08:37:45 AM
Great job Jim.....I bet the Azzie corner puts a big smile on her face.  8)
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Post by: Jerry on August 01, 2020, 08:49:57 AM
Nice looking scene.  Very realistic.


Jerry
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Post by: PRR Modeler on August 01, 2020, 09:14:11 AM
Excellent modeling and scene Jim.
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 02, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Thanks Thom!

I had a lot of fun with this project. I have watched  all you guys here on the forum for the last two years and love to put to work what I've learned. Being set in 1910 helps with a small layout. I can play with road width and ignore OSHA to my hearts content. The pictures I posted were the best I could do, the camera kept trying to change focus and I am no pro but all in all the scene shows nice. It is the first thing you see on the layout now as the two 'kerosene' street lamps  draw attention to the area.

Glad you enjoyed the results.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 02, 2020, 10:35:26 PM
Tom thanks for the compliment. Your own layout thread has been a big help in my learning.

Jim D  ;D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 02, 2020, 10:49:11 PM
Jerry really glad you like the progress so far, thanks your stopping by. Little by little I am figuring things out and starting to understand why things are done a certain way instead of just doing it because it works.

Work on the Cundy Village Hotel stopped until I finished this scene but now I am back at it. The Hotel is almost completely laser cut. So far I have learned that the key will be making damn sure the tolerances are tight. .25 mm off will screw things up. Don't ask how I know, you already know the answer.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 02, 2020, 11:00:19 PM
Hi Greg;

Thanks for dropping in and for the compliment. Azzie was indeed happy. However when I told her the story for Azzie's Apples she told me 'Papa, I don't want to get married, boys are ugg'. I suspect that thought will change, or maybe not, time will tell.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on August 02, 2020, 11:05:32 PM
Jerry thanks for stopping by and for the encouragement. I learn a lot from this group and enjoy participating.

Jim D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on August 02, 2020, 11:07:41 PM
Hi Curt;

Thanks! I've been watching you put your new layout together and it looks like warp speed compared to my efforts. Looking forward to seeing your layout take shape.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ReadingBob on August 03, 2020, 06:47:19 AM
That's simply a terrific scene Jim!  Thanks for all the photo's and information on how it came to be.  Love it!  ;D
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Post by: Jim Donovan on September 11, 2020, 09:43:03 PM
Bob;

Sorry for the slow response but really glad you like the scene, it was truly fun and seeing the smile on Azzie's face made it more then worthwhile. The reason for the slow response is a lot happened shortly after finishing this section of the layout.

The decision was made to sell our NW Ohio Townhome and just reside in Florida full time. The usual reasons; two homes take more work, we are not getting any younger, the townhouse is two stories so the wife and dog were beginning to have issues going up and down (but not me, I bound up and down like I was 21, ish). So we put it up for sale. It sold in two weeks for asking price. Interesting times we live in indeed. I am sure we will see the kids and grandkids as much as when we were up there but I will miss my little home away from home. As I sat for the last day there having my morning coffee, reading the news and catching up on the Forum here was the view I always talk about:
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-110920212343-458882231.jpeg)

So the Holland Odessa North was boxed up, put in our van and brought to Florida. The little layout is now being unboxed and put back together.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-110920210640-458801399.jpeg)

I will eventually connect the northern layout with the southern version so the people in my 1910 world can zip back and forth from Ohio and Florida in the blink of an eye. While I have put the better part of two years enjoying building this layout I was amazed at how small 4 x 6 really is. Here you see it in Florida on the right side of photo. The southern layout is on the left so they form an L shape.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-110920210640-45887177.jpeg)

So once I get things up and running we will get back into the swing of things. Since the Florida home is single floor the wife and dog won't have to run up and down all day to see the layout. ;)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on September 12, 2020, 10:35:08 AM
Welcome back to Florida Jim.....looking forward to seeing the HO RR expand.  ;)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on January 31, 2021, 09:41:40 PM
Well I got the message that I have note posted in over 120 days. Hard to believe time has flown by that fast. The world sure has seen more changes this past year then since the fall of the USSR.

I have been modeling, and tinkering with the layout and have made enough progress to share. First I needed to put the two layouts together. I accomplished this by using some scrap lumber I had and raised the Ohio portion of the layout to the same height as the Florida section. I am using the NCE power cab to operate everything so I just attached the Florida layout to it for operations. The switches and such remain on two panels. Both sections are on casters so I can still move the connected layout on the tile floor.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121212703-47899731.jpeg)

In order to get some good lighting I swapped out the two right side recessed lights with 4 bulb extended sockets and put 4000 K Flood lights in the sockets. This provides 8 bulbs positioned to light the layout. They have their own remote controller so I can turn the on and off, even dim them if I want. As you can see from the picture it really did the trick.

I intend to connect the two sections but at this stage the tracks are separated.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on January 31, 2021, 09:43:28 PM
Welcome back to Florida Jim.....looking forward to seeing the HO RR expand.  ;)

Forgot to officially say thanks to Greg but we talked on the phone a couple of months ago.

Jim
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on January 31, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
The main project I have been working on was the Cundy Hotel by Bar Mills. To say it was challenging is an understatement. I gave up counting the number of opps- redo's I had while working on it. But it was a great addition to the layout and I had fun. I did a build thread on it that can be seen in the kit building section.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121212804-47904515.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121212704-479032081.jpeg)

I will post a better picture soon but you get an idea of how it looks on the layout from these two. I am still in the process of finishing the scene around it. I continue to try different things I hear about or think of. For this scene I decided to affix two sided carpet tape to foam board. I then used various sizes and shade of static grass to directly apply to the two-sided tape. Here is how it turned out.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121215619-4790519.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121215619-479062434.jpeg)

I have never had grass stand so straight and be so even. I used a PECO static grass applicator and you could watch the grass shoot straight down and hold in place. The tape itself seemed to improve the electric current flow. When done you can not see the tape under the grass unless you are directly over it and using a flashlight to get a reflection, even then it is hard to see. I tried 3M 465 tape as well but the carpet tape worked best. It has been down on the layout for two months and shows no sign of coming apart. Indeed the grass springs back if something is laid on it for a minute. I think the tape is a good idea where you want a 'lawn' type look. I am going to see if it works better when on a hillside but that's for another time.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on January 31, 2021, 10:35:02 PM
I added a small Inn/ Tavern next to the hotel called the Flying Kettle. It is where the servants for the wealthy staying at the B Alan Hotel rest. Owned by the B Alan the Flying Kettle is where all the cooking happens for the hotel as well. So while the rich may dine on fine china at the Alan, the locals have an Ass Kicking Good Time at the Kettle.

It started life as a broken plastic building I had picked up at an estate sale in Ohio when I first started. You can see it on the layout in different places as I used it for 'placeholder' to get an idea of what a structure would look like on that location. I remember talking to the daughter and she said how much her dad loved trains. I don't think I paid a dollar for it but I am sure glad I did. THe Wiley's are having a 'plastic' fun contest so I decided the little guy was going to become more than a placeholder or parts. Here is how he was when I bought him:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121212704-47902817.jpeg)

And this is how he wanted to look, at least I hope it is:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121222524-479091322.jpeg)

Here is how the Flying Kettle its the layout:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121222524-47907930.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121222524-479081205.jpeg)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on January 31, 2021, 10:44:42 PM
Finally, my favorite picture for this posting, a picture of the Kettle and to the left Miller's tack shop. A member of this forum Jim Millar made this little Woodland Scenics kit. Jim passed on and Tom Langford has been helping dismantle and sell the layout. I was fortunate enough to get this little gem along with several other items I will share down the road. I am pleased to have a part of his layout now living on mine. This is only a stage stop of Miller's Tack Shop. Carriages and horses are cleaned and prepped for the people at the B Alan, The actual stalls and shop will be located elsewhere.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-310121222622-479101446.jpeg)

That's all for now.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on February 01, 2021, 08:25:52 AM
Looking good Jim..... 8)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: PRR Modeler on February 01, 2021, 08:50:13 AM
Beautiful scenes Jim.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: cuse on February 07, 2021, 08:46:33 AM
Very nice Jim. Welcome to full-time FL.


John
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: deemery on February 07, 2021, 08:59:28 AM
I like the canal scene, too!


dave
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Keep it Rusty on February 07, 2021, 10:25:31 AM
I agree with Dave, that canal looks amazing.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 13, 2021, 06:59:18 PM
Looking good Jim..... 8)

Thanks Greg;

Hopefully I will have some more progress soon.

Jim
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 13, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
Beautiful scenes Jim.
Thanks Curt;

Buildings blended into the scene is what I really enjoy. With the layout so small I can take my time and just enjoy.

Jim
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 13, 2021, 07:05:00 PM
Very nice Jim. Welcome to full-time FL.


John

Thanks John;
Yep we are back in Florida year round. I am truly enjoying retirement but am definitely starting to slow down. Time to just enjoy one house.

Jim
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 13, 2021, 07:32:26 PM
I like the canal scene, too!


dave

Thanks Dave and Craig;

It is hard to believe but the canal scene was almost the first project I did in HO scale modeling, nearly three years ago. Still love it and have ideas on how to add to it. In addition the other section of the layout which I have not even started to develop will be showing Central Florida 1910. I plan to  include a scene of Silver Springs when it had a hotel, double track sidings and paddle boats bringing people up the Silver River (from off the St John's River). Here is what it looked like in black and white and the last is what it looks like today.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221192931-481501344.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221192931-481511496.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221192932-481521862.jpeg)

Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 13, 2021, 08:00:16 PM
At this point I will be finishing up the Hotel scene, begin working on the Silver River Scene and having fun attempting to scratch build Olsen Chemical Company (Skeeters Fly Dope). Greg D gave me the directions for this wonderful kit a couple of years ago, not necessarily to build it but because it is packed with great modeling tips and offers some of the best directions I have ever seen. I attempted to get in touch with the person who designed this kit but so far have come up empty. I will be using the Cricut Maker to help make the walls and detail parts. Not sure if I can do it but it sure would look awesome. There is little in the way of information I have found concerning it other then the directions, but I did find a site that in the past sold a finished version and had lots of photos. So here is a finished picture and a couple of pictures of the little part I have made so far. I won't be doing a thread on this building, heck I don't even know if I can finish it, but I will post any significant updates:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221195441-481561975.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221194447-48153173.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221194447-481542366.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-130221194447-481551420.jpeg)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: postalkarl on February 13, 2021, 11:24:21 PM
Hey Jim:

Can't wait to see what you do with it.

Karl
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on February 21, 2021, 10:29:10 AM
You know I'll be watching for this one Jim..... 8)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: deemery on February 21, 2021, 11:59:07 AM
I like that little add-on, including the foundation.


dave
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: postalkarl on February 21, 2021, 02:00:13 PM
Hey Jim:

I'll go along with Dave on the little add on.


Karl
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 22, 2021, 12:04:22 AM
Thanks Guys;

I will keep you updated as I work on this super neat complex. In the meantime, a couple of years ago a modeling friend, George Phoebe gave me a Campbell kit, the Band Stand. It had been opened and was missing some parts but there was enough left to make the basis of a version of the band stand. I love the sugar pine these kits have, even though it is much harder to smooth and remove the fuzz then Basswood. This little kit has a million small parts. With only 2/3 of the needed wood I decided to make portions of it using the Silhouette Cameo Cutter I have. I ended up making the foundation lattice, copula lattice, railings and the roof sections using the cutter. The cornice around the roof line was also cut out using the cutter but the perpendicular cornice are the original plastic parts. Finally the shingles are from BEST. So here is how it turned out:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-210221233803-482271177.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-210221233803-482261008.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-210221233804-482281178.jpeg)

I only had the one page of the directions to go by and a cardstock template for the roof. I ended up just trying to follow the diagram best I could. I left the 2 x 4 sugar pine stripwood in its natural state and covered the floor with it as well as using it for the top rail on the cutter cut fence railing. I airbrushed the lattice and roof first in gray primer then in cottage white. The gray shows here and there giving some depth to the lattice and roof. The last picture shows where I am thinking of having it but it will sit for a while until I am sure.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Janbouli on February 22, 2021, 05:27:47 AM
Oh , very very nice .
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on February 22, 2021, 08:40:28 AM
Perfect for the hotel scene Jim.....good job.  8)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jerry on February 23, 2021, 08:35:11 AM
Very nice indeed!!


Jerry
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ACL1504 on February 23, 2021, 08:39:06 AM
Jim,

Great job on the Band Stand/Gazebo. I also like the add on sub structure, excellent addition.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Mark Dalrymple on February 23, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
Band stand looks really good, Jim.

Cheers, Mark.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on February 28, 2021, 09:38:06 PM
Thanks guys. The little bandstand was fun.

So now I am giving serious attention to building Sketter's Fly Dope from pictures and plans. To help with the part cutting I am using the print/ cutters. I have the Cameo 3 by Silhouette and for Christmas I was given a Cricut Maker. I thought the CriCut would become my only cutter but I have found the Cameo 3 does fine details better and operationally I have more control over the print/ cut parameters. It is able to cut much closer lines so it was what I used to make the lattice fences for the bandstand. The Cricut can cut basswood up to 1/16 inch thick, however it is limited in the cut lines need to be at least 1/16 of an inch away from each other or it will not cut correctly. Still, it sure makes clean, precise cuts when set up correctly. The other main advantage instead of cutting by hand is if a part is not exactly the size or shape needed simple adjustments using the design program can be done and a corrected part made much quicker and more precise.

So here shows a mock-up of the main building. A second building will be on the other side of the track and a walkway over the siding will connect the two.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280221213132-482711345.jpeg)

Here are the cutter results of all parts needed to build the walls of the main building.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-280221213132-482921782.jpeg)

This kit was designed to use all Tichy Windows. I might change out a couple doors with something hand made but the windows look good on this building so plan to stick with them. So that is all for now.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Keep it Rusty on February 28, 2021, 11:13:47 PM
Impressed with what the CriCut can achieve with basswood. It sure beats a laser when it comes to fiddling and ventilation etc...

Great work, Jim!
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 02, 2021, 10:40:20 PM
Thanks Graig;

Can’t do all a laser cutter can do but does make projects possible I would not attempt if just by hand. Here is today’s update:

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-020321223316-482932133.jpeg)

Jim
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: postalkarl on March 03, 2021, 03:05:58 AM
Hey Jim:

Looking good so far. Can't wait to see more.

Karl
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 15, 2021, 10:10:54 PM
I have made significant progress on Skeeters. Based on what I have been able to complete so far I am fairly confident I will be able to finish a version of this complex.

The roof consists of six sections that make up the lower, middle and upper roofs. Instead of wood I opted to use .3 mm white styrene for the substrate. To this I glued 2 x 6 eve trim I place using Walters goo. It is messy to work with but holds wood to plastic much better then PVA. The wood was stained using Hunter Barn Red.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321214646-48379346.jpeg)

Next I used the Cameo 3 to cut out from .2 mm styrene the window frames for the upper vented windows. I glued the styrene to 1/16 inch thick mat board that had also been cut to shape by the Cricut Maker. The window frames were glued to the upper wall sections and base that had previously been printed from 1/16 clapboard using the Cricut Maker.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321214646-48380264.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321214646-483781849.jpeg)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 15, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
I designed asbestos roofing using an old John’s Mansville roofing catalog from 1920. It can be found on the archives located at The Architect website. The single strip cut roof were made using 67 pound Vellium paper. I first printed in color the look of the shingles (initially Newport Gray) then using the registration feature of the Cameo 3 cut the roofing into strips. By accident I spilled some of the Barn Red wash on some shingles. I liked the look so lightly brushed the stain wash on for all the roof. Indian Red was a true color used by John’s Mansville back then and the light stain pretty closely matched it.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321214646-48381450.jpeg)

For the roof cap I followed the John’s Mansville catalog. Using a bamboo 3/32 stick I attached individual tiles so that they were 2 feet long and overlapped the previous tile. This was done on both the lower and upper roofs. The ends of the roof cap had Wood trim resembling a ridge brace glued to make a finished look. I forgot to get a photo at this point but the right side of following photo shows the ridge cap for the lower roof.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321215244-483861639.jpeg)


Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 15, 2021, 11:08:56 PM
I decided that a factory like this would most likely have had the upper Windows able to open. Therefore I decided to make my own ‘tilt’ windows for the two rows rather then Tichy windows. The windows were cut from .15 mm styrene that had start life as a ‘Do Not Enter’ plastic sign. I like using these signs for plastic parts that will be painted. They cost much less the ‘modeling’ styrene and work well. Three parts were needed for each, the outer window frame, the lattice for the individual panes and finally clear .10 mm styrene for the glass. Since I plan to use a Matt varnish on the windows to ‘fog’ them I did not use real glass.
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321215245-483871800.jpeg)
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321214646-48382560.jpeg)

The window pane frames proved to be very tricky to cut out due to the number of panes per window and the small size. To get clean frames the cutter had to cut an X shape in each pane. Then, using fine tip tweezers the X sections could be snapped off the Muntins without damaging the frame. To connect the parts I used Tamya Exta Thin plastic cement. Once the parts were placed correctly the fine brush tip of cement was placed next to the frame. Wicking action pulled the cement across the connections and welded the parts together.

I am in the process of placing the tilt windows in place. I have glued the upper and lower roofs in place but have not glued the middle roof until all is done. This makes it easier to work on the windows and place them correctly. By using the Cameo I was able to cut with tolerances tight enough to make windows that have a recessed lip allowing for flush mounting or tilt open look.

So here is we’re we are at present. You will note I have change some colors, the elevator tower is now airbrushed Vallejo gray as is the enclosed staircase, the original colors I picked just did not fit. The main building was re-painted Vallejo Ivory from Cottage White for same reason. Windows remain Vallejo flat red. I have put window frames and door in place for photo but only upper tilt windows are glued. The others still need glass installed but I wanted to get an idea how it will look.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321215443-483881039.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-150321215443-48389796.jpeg)

That is it for now.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Dennis Bourey on March 15, 2021, 11:33:39 PM
Wow Jim, That came out Gorgeous. Dennis
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: postalkarl on March 16, 2021, 08:42:39 AM
Hey Jim:

Looks like you’re off to A good start on this one. I’m following along.

Karl S
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on March 16, 2021, 09:29:34 AM
Skeeter's is looking good Jim..... 8)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: ACL1504 on March 16, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
Jim,

Great progress all the way. I've been lurking for some time. Nice job on the to layout marriage.

Tom  ;D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: tom.boyd.125 on March 17, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
Jim,
 Remember that Skeeter's kit when it came out...Dave Frary had a pile of them at a show in the Midwest we attended many years ago...
...it was a neat looking structure...good luck on your scratch built version...
 Tommy
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Rail and Tie on March 17, 2021, 01:00:30 PM
munching on popcorn, waiting for the next scene!
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: postalkarl on March 17, 2021, 01:50:55 PM
Hey Jim:

The Bandstand looks just great. Man I can't wait to see this when it's finished.

Karl
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:21:59 PM
Wow Jim, That came out Gorgeous. Dennis

Thanks Dennis;
I am having a blast with this project. Not only am I learning a lot but I am  building a library of cut files for all the parts which I will be able to use on future projects as well.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:24:05 PM
Hey Jim:

Looks like you’re off to A good start on this one. I’m following along.

Karl S

Thanks for following along Karl, great to have you.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:25:32 PM
Skeeter's is looking good Jim..... 8)

Thanks Greg, it is a fun project with lots more to go.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:29:53 PM
Jim,

Great progress all the way. I've been lurking for some time. Nice job on the to layout marriage.

Tom  ;D

Thanks Tom, thanks for stopping by. I still need to actually join the two sections of the layout but will need to put at least one frog juicer in place. I hope to get to that after I finish the Hotel scene and Skeeters.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:34:45 PM
Jim,
 Remember that Skeeter's kit when it came out...Dave Frary had a pile of them at a show in the Midwest we attended many years ago...
...it was a neat looking structure...good luck on your scratch built version...
 Tommy

Tommy thanks for stopping by. Before I started this kit I tried to track down the person who originally designed it. Dave Frary made the initial model so I contacted him but never heard back. I think the kit is really interesting and a little different. A turn of the century chemical factory, I have not decided what it will make but I am leaning towards calling it Skeeters Fly Dope, the guy who designed this kit deserves it.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:37:05 PM
munching on popcorn, waiting for the next scene!

Hi Darryl;

Great to see you and hope you enjoy the journey on this one.

Jim D
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 09:53:01 PM
Continuing work on the chemical factory I was able to make and install all the tilt out windows in the upper sections. I used styrene for the windows and sprayed them with Matte varnish to cause them to fog. I think they came out pretty good. By being fogged I don't need to worry about seeing inside.

All the other windows were installed. These are Tichy windows and are the same used on the original. These windows all have individual glass panes placed where the acetate plastic normally goes. It took some time but I like the look. To hold the glass in place I us UV activated CA glue. Just a very little is placed in each corner of the frame, the window is placed and then a UV flashlight glues the glass to the frame.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-190321214437-484741619.jpeg)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: Jim Donovan on March 19, 2021, 10:00:18 PM
I am using Tim Holtz Distressed Acrylic crayons for weathering on this project. I have seen them used in military modeling and thought I would give them a try. They certainly allow for multiple layering and being acrylic can be moved, lighted or removed with water. Once I am done I will spray a thin coat of Matte varnish to lock everything in place. So here is how all looks now.

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-190321214437-484722357.jpeg)

(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-190321214437-484512165.jpeg)

And here is a peek at where it will be on the layout:
(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/785-190321214437-484732013.jpeg)

That is it for now.
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: postalkarl on March 20, 2021, 03:19:15 AM
Hey Jim:

the building looks just great. Can't wait for more pics.

Karl
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on March 20, 2021, 09:40:16 AM
Like the structure placement Jim.....hopefully we can get up there with the kit in April.  :)
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: nycjeff on March 30, 2021, 04:32:48 PM
Hello Jim, the building looks great on the layout, can't wait to see the finished scene.   Jeff
Title: Re: Holland Odessa R.R.
Post by: GPdemayo on April 19, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
Hey Jim.....thanks to you, Deb and the pup for a great visit and warm hospitality yesterday. The layout looks really great in person, rather than thru the lens of a camera. Your plans for the empire are exciting and the structures and scenery look great. I am anxious to see what you come up with using that 3d printer and cutter. The things you showed us were very terrific and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with when you get thru the learning curve. Next time..... 8) 
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