This is the Fourth Volume of the Superior & Seattle Railroad Build.
Here are the links to Volumes 1 through 3. An index to each volume can be found on the first page of the volume.
Link to Volume 1:
http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.0 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.0)
Link to Volume 2:
http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=2650.0 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=2650.0)
Link to Volume 3:
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4531.0
Index
Volume 4
Vol. 4 Page 1 - Build updates for the Sayles Mill and the Brownsville Depot.
Vol. 4 Page 10 - The Eagles Nest Depot (aka Brownsville Depot) makes it to the layout.
Vol. 4 Page 12 - Scenery work in the Eagles Nest Yard.
Vol 4 Page 20 - Painting detail castings
Vol 4 Page 22 - Start of the SWRM Hooker & Son and Bar Mills FSM Tribute #1 builds.
Vol. 4 Page 26 - Placement of O.V. Hooker & Son and Bar Mills FSM Tribute #1 kits on the layout.
Vol. 4 Page 1 - Start of the FSM Icing Dock kit 210.
Progress picture of the Salyes Mill Build. This picture represents the progress that has been made on the Sayles Mill build at the start of Volume 4 of the Superior & Seattle build thread.
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Progress Picture of the Brownsville Depot build. This picture represents the progress that has been made on the Brownsville Depot build. See Volume 3 for the earlier part of this build.
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John,
Congrats on reaching Volume #4.
Tom ;D
Here we are at Volume 4. and it starts off with a bang!!
Sure am looking forward to all the new posts in this one.
Jerry
Tom
Thank you, I started Volume 1 on December 20th, 2013. So we have been at this for almost 8 years. I forget how many years we were on the old forum before the move. I took a little trip down memory lane last night while I was setting up volume 4.
Quote from: Jerry on August 15, 2021, 09:06:59 AM
Here we are at Volume 4. and it starts off with a bang!!
Sure am looking forward to all the new posts in this one.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along. Sometime this fall I'm going to take a couple days and photograph the whole layout to mark the progress up to this point. I did this a few years ago and we can compare the pictures of each area.
I made a little progress with the Brownsville Depot. Here are a couple progress pictures.
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The tile roofing work continues on Sayles Mill.
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Both roofs look great John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 16, 2021, 09:03:44 AM
Both roofs look great John.
Curt
Thank you for the kind words.
Hey John:
Looking just great so far.
Karl
Looking good, John.
Sayles mill has some nice blending of greys.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: postalkarl on August 17, 2021, 05:25:07 PM
Hey John:
Looking just great so far.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along. More progress next week.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on August 17, 2021, 08:07:17 PM
Looking good, John.
Sayles mill has some nice blending of greys.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the kind words. So far I'm happy with the way it's looking.
I thought I would share a photograph of the new carpet in the newest section of the layout. I took the picture late in the afternoon when the sun found a way to shine on the wall. ::) My basement is a walk out so I have natural lighting from the windows and sliding door on two walls of this room. This is a view looking at the North end of the Superior Yard. Eventually, I plan to have an upper and lower level in this area of the layout. This area is serving as a staging yard right now. I will be adding a number of structures, and detail scenery to the lower level before constructing the upper level. This project is a few years out in the S&S RR construction plan.
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Great looking benchwork.
Sorry, I think I just drooled...
What a space!
Nice looking room!!!
Craig your drool left a spot on the new carpet!! ;D
Jerry
The cabinetry makes it look so neat.
Jeff
That looks so good , I just feel like giving up on my layout.
Quote from: Jerry on August 19, 2021, 11:33:57 PM
Craig your drool left a spot on the new carpet!! ;D
That's how I mark every nice room I visit!
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 19, 2021, 07:23:11 PM
Great looking benchwork.
Thank you, Curt. I have a few a few track work change to make now that I have had some time to run trains in Superior Yard. I'm having trouble getting electronic supplies and turnouts. Lots of backorders.
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on August 19, 2021, 11:12:05 PM
Sorry, I think I just drooled...
What a space!
Craig
Watch the carpet Craig. I have orders from the CFO that the coffee machine is being moved to the basement. No more going up and down the stairs with coffee cups. Somehow that sounds like a good thing. ;)
Quote from: Jerry on August 19, 2021, 11:33:57 PM
Nice looking room!!!
Craig your drool left a spot on the new carpet!! ;D
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the kind words and keeping an eye on Craig.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on August 20, 2021, 07:41:00 AM
The cabinetry makes it look so neat.
Jeff
Jeff
Thank you, I'm real happy with the way it turned out. By-the-way cabinet 3 was full of TP during the Pandemic.
Quote from: Janbouli on August 20, 2021, 09:04:55 AM
That looks so good , I just feel like giving up on my layout.
Jan
Don't ever do that - Thank you for the kind words.
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on August 20, 2021, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: Jerry on August 19, 2021, 11:33:57 PM
Craig your drool left a spot on the new carpet!! ;D
That's how I mark every nice room I visit!
Good to know.
This evening I have a couple progress pictures from the Sayles Mill build. This first picture shows the glue base that I'm using for the water. The Titebond III glue dries to a brown color I'm building up the depth to where I want to start the pour for the water. I will paint the surface of the glue with the colors that I want to show through the epoxy.
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Here is what it looked like when I quit for the day. I have added a bunch more window castings, built the bay window for the mill (it will be ready to install in the morning), and added another layer of glue to the water areas. I'm in the process of building the bell tower on my other workbench - if I could just find out what I did with the bell casting. :-[
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Looking terrific, I've also found the use of real rocks really sets the scene for later scenery.
Quote from: Lynnb on August 23, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
Looking terrific, I've also found the use of real rocks really sets the scene for later scenery.
Lynn
Thank you for the kind words. I combine the real rocks with the plaster rocks that I painted and I really like the look. It took some time to get the painting technique down - but I'm happy with the results, now.
Update: The last few days have been spent replacing my old light fixtures in the basement with new LED fixtures. I have also been loading software and setting up a new MacBook Pro computer. My old one works fine when it is plugged in but the battery life is very short after 8 years of hard use. I also needed more disk space so my new computer has 2 T of disk space. I plan on doing some video work so the extra space will come in handy. I have a spot picked out in the workshop where the old computer will be available - plugged in - for quick lookups and orders. It will also go with me on my fishing trips. I can plug it in at the cabin, in the car, or in the boat (for when the fish are not bitting).
Tomorrow, I plan on getting back to some structure builds and the scenery work in the Eagles Nest Yard.
I also got an email from Scenic Express and they have completed their move to Colorado and have their website back up and ready for my next order (which I just about have ready to go).
My '14 MB Pro was showing signs of swelling battery, I just got it back after the repair. This is one of the last models that has the SD card slot so it was worth saving (and it has a 1TB drive, plenty of room for music and photos.) But I'm due for a new laptop, we'll see what the new 15"/16" look like this fall...
dave
Quote from: deemery on August 25, 2021, 08:13:20 PM
My '14 MB Pro was showing signs of swelling battery, I just got it back after the repair. This is one of the last models that has the SD card slot so it was worth saving (and it has a 1TB drive, plenty of room for music and photos.) But I'm due for a new laptop, we'll see what the new 15"/16" look like this fall...
dave
Dave
i bought the 16 inch. So far I really like it. A few new features like you can use your finger print to open and a smart keyboard toolbar that gives you function keys with some applications.
Hey John:
It's coming along just beautifully. I'm enjoying your build.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on August 26, 2021, 12:39:57 PM
Hey John:
It's coming along just beautifully. I'm enjoying your build.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, it's great to have you along on the journey. I just sent out a big order for scenery materials for the Eagles Nest Yard. My next big project.
hey John:
You are quite welcome. I shall be following along on the Eagles Nest Yard project.
Karl
Update: Progress photograph of the Sayles Mill Build. I finally got the tile roof done on the main structure. I have a few hours invested in that project. Lots of little tiles painted with the markers. ::)
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John, Beautiful Job!!!!
Excellent modeling John. I love the use of real rocks.
Looking at the coaling trestle: Seems to me that coal dumped would tend to fall into the river. Are you going to add a wall along the river to keep the coal in place?
I'm looking forward to seeing how you do the water. I still need to do water along my mill canal scene.
dave
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 28, 2021, 09:41:45 AM
Excellent modeling John. I love the use of real rocks.
Curt
Thank you so much for the kind words.
Quote from: deemery on August 28, 2021, 12:42:04 PM
Looking at the coaling trestle: Seems to me that coal dumped would tend to fall into the river. Are you going to add a wall along the river to keep the coal in place?
I'm looking forward to seeing how you do the water. I still need to do water along my mill canal scene.
dave
Dave
I will take a picture tomorrow of the side view of the coal pit. It is being modeled in the full position so the coal is piled up to the top of the wall. You are correct that any more coal would end up in the river. I should be getting to the water in the next few weeks. I need to collect some river bottom stones. Small HO size gravel for the bottom of the river. I plan on doing it when I'm on my fishing trip with my Grandson.
Dave
Followup picture: Here is what the coal piles under the trestle look like on the opposite side. As you can see the piles are up to the trestle and flow out to the top of the wall on the river side.
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Hey John:
The building looks great and the diorama is coming along well also.
From Duck NC in the Outer Banks.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on August 29, 2021, 07:10:19 AM
Hey John:
The building looks great and the diorama is coming along well also.
From Duck NC in the Outer Banks.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, it sounds like you are traveling.
For those that enjoy pictures of my stickups to hold things in place while the glue dries. I thought this one was worth a picture. Assembling the bell tower. I decided to assemble this in place so I could "eye ball it" from the other side of the room. This tower has so many pieces that assembling it on the workbench invited stickup errors that would make it look terrible. If it looks straight from the other side of my workshop, it will look straight on the layout.
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I'm also making progress with the axillary buildings. The windows are in the boiler house and I'm waiting for the glue to dry for the casting buildup that makes up the roof.
Bob suggests building the annex building on a piece of paper to help hold all the castings together - I decided to glue everything together on a thin plastic base. I painted it so the white plastic will not show through the ground cover.
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In this picture the foundation casting is being glued to the plastic base.
I then glued the resin casting assembly to the foundation and the base.
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The rest of the structure is wood. You can see some pieces on the workbench. The window castings are metal for this part of the building and I forgot to paint them white when I painted the plastic window castings. So next step is to paint more window castings.
John, I see what you mean! (A couple of slats of fencing wouldn't hurt, though ;D )
I need to get some more marble countertop samples/cutoffs for weights. They're great for trackwork, since they're about 1" wide.
dave
John another masterpiece being built.
Jerry
Quote from: deemery on August 29, 2021, 11:39:15 AM
John, I see what you mean! (A couple of slats of fencing wouldn't hurt, though ;D )
I need to get some more marble countertop samples/cutoffs for weights. They're great for trackwork, since they're about 1" wide.
dave
Okay, upon further review, I'm adding a couple rows of wood to the top of the wall to keep the coal out of the river. ;D See update pictures below.
I have a few granite weights that I managed to get my hands on during our kitchen and master bathroom remodeling projects.
Quote from: Jerry on August 29, 2021, 05:40:32 PM
John another masterpiece being built.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the very encouraging words.
Here are some progress photographs of the Sayles Mill build. I made some progress on the bell tower. I'm waiting for the paint to dry overnight and I will bring in a crane to mount the bell. Bob included some brass etched railings and bell housing. I managed to loose the bell, somewhere, on this workbench. :-[ My guess is the shop vacuum ate it. While looking through my castings for another bell I found some railings I liked better so my bell tower will be a little different than the kit. The roof is all ready to be glued on once the bell is in place.
You will also notice, that the brown glue is now a dark murky blue in the backwater ponds. I mixed blue and black paint together to get the color I liked. This is the color I would expect water to be in a silty, deep, backwater pond. I will start adding the gloss medium for the water, tomorrow.
And you will also notice that I added a wood railing on top of the stone wall by the coal pit, at Dave's request. I added one rail but the posts are high enough to add more. My guess is that two rails will be added.
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The pond color looks much blacker in these photographs than it does to me with my eyes. I believe it's the iPhone playing with contrast and picking up on the white in the building. We will see what it looks like after the first coat of gloss medium. I need to paint the trough from the mill to the pond a lighter color because it is not deep. I'm still working on that.
I also have an update on the Brownsville Depot build. I have started adding some of the detail castings. For those that are following this build using Georges directions - I have just finished everything on Sheets A and B. I'm just starting Sheet C. I usually build to the pictures and figure cards that George supplies with his kits, then I skim through the directions and check things off to make sure I didn't miss anything.
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Front
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Back
Hey John:
That's A great kitty. I test built it. My friend Jon has it for his RR. His Rr is about the same size as the F&SM. Can't to see what you do with it. Looks great so far.
Karl
John, those extra boards make me feel much better, for a couple of reasons: (1) You thought my nagging was worth doing :-) (2) It shows some 'deliberate intent' in the model for keeping the coal out of the river, (3) it breaks up the long run of stone a bit, which I think helps the scene overall.
dave
Quote from: postalkarl on August 30, 2021, 10:48:17 AM
Hey John:
That's A great kitty. I test built it. My friend Jon has it for his RR. His Rr is about the same size as the F&SM. Can't to see what you do with it. Looks great so far.
Karl
Karl
It is a great kit, I'm really enjoying the build.
It sure would be nice to see some updated photographs of your friend Jon's layout. ;) It sure was impressive the last time you posted pictures.
Quote from: deemery on August 30, 2021, 01:37:27 PM
John, those extra boards make me feel much better, for a couple of reasons: (1) You thought my nagging was worth doing :-) (2) It shows some 'deliberate intent' in the model for keeping the coal out of the river, (3) it breaks up the long run of stone a bit, which I think helps the scene overall.
dave
Dave
There are a lot of great modelers with great ideas on this forum - that is one of the reasons I take the time to post. I agree with you that the wood helps break up the all stone look. You will find a second board on my next update photograph. Thank you for the suggestion.
I started the water today, and I really hope it looks better after it dries. I'm using a new material and it sure looks weird as it dries. I'm taking pictures and will have a full report. It has a long way to go before it doesn't qualify for a do over. :o ::) :-[
Update: So I returned from my fishing trip to find that the water I poured before leaving dried to look like milk. I tried a new product that was highly recommended, but it sure didn't work for me. Since I think build threads should contain things gone wrong along with the things gone right I will post some pictures and a description of the process I used, maybe someone will be able to spot the cause of the problems.
First here is a picture of the bottle the product came in. In the words of the person that recommended it you pour it just like two part resign. I was cautions and poured a very thing coat for the first pour. I actually measured the thickness when I removed the material and it was .030 inch.
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So here is what I had after 6 days of drying time.
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John,
I was looking for a use date. Could the material have been old stock without you knowing it? The only other thing I can think of is could it have frozen. Not knowing how long is has been since it was shipped to the US. Could have come over in the winter in a container and frozen before you got it. Just guessing at some ideas for other products effected by temp.
Looks like it could be a mess to clean up amongst those rocks. Good luck fixing it.
Bernd
Quote from: Bernd on September 05, 2021, 09:58:16 PM
John,
I was looking for a use date. Could the material have been old stock without you knowing it? The only other thing I can think of is could it have frozen. Not knowing how long is has been since it was shipped to the US. Could have come over in the winter in a container and frozen before you got it. Just guessing at some ideas for other products effected by temp.
Looks like it could be a mess to clean up amongst those rocks. Good luck fixing it.
Bernd
Bernd
I don't see any dates on the bottle. I purchased it within the last year - no way of knowing the temperature history before I bought it.
I have pictures from just after I poured it and then I will post the removal photographs.
Here are some pictures just a few hours after I poured it.
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The next morning,
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The removal went very easy - the material pulled up in one big sheet. The paint came up with it, leaving the glue base.
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Here is what it looked like after I pulled up the sheet of material.
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So after repainting the glue surface I got out some Envirotex Lite that I have had on the shelf for years. I moved the baseboard over by the spray booth and leveled it. Mixed the two part Envirotex Lite and poured. About 15 minutes after I poured it I went over it with a hair dryer to remove a few bubbles. As of 7 hours after the pour it looks great. I'm going to be starting any water on my layout with Envirotex Lite. I will use the medium products for special affects like waves and white water, but I will always start with a base pour of Envirotex Lite.
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You can see the reflection of the tools on my workbench in the glossy finish. So far no bubbles - we will see what it looks like in the morning.
Great save!
And nothing beats Envirotex for reliability.
I agree great save. Look's perfect.
The second pour looks great.
Glad that material came off that well. Makes me wonder if it wasn't contaminated some how.
The EnviroTex Lite looks like the way to go. Thanks for the detailed pictures.
Bernd
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on September 05, 2021, 11:01:12 PM
Great save!
And nothing beats Envirotex for reliability.
Craig
Thank you - this is the second big project that I had to save because I tried using a different material for pouring water. I also did a test pour for my river. I will post pictures, tonight.
Quote from: Dennis Bourey on September 05, 2021, 11:24:33 PM
I agree great save. Look's perfect.
Dennis
Thank you, now for the white water over the dam and rocks.
John, I can't wait to see how that is done. Dennis
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 06, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
The second pour looks great.
Curt
Thank you, I'm real happy with the second pour - it looks great this morning with no bubbles.
Quote from: Bernd on September 06, 2021, 08:33:20 AM
Glad that material came off that well. Makes me wonder if it wasn't contaminated some how.
The EnviroTex Lite looks like the way to go. Thanks for the detailed pictures.
Bernd
Bernd
Yes it is - I think the only reason I was trying new materials was the one experience we all have had with the pour ending up on the floor because of a leak. The technique of using the Titbond III as a sealer seems to be working real well at solving that problem.
Quote from: Dennis Bourey on September 06, 2021, 08:39:25 AM
John, I can't wait to see how that is done. Dennis
Dennis
I will be giving this a couple more days to cure and then I will be adding the white water. I really liked the way my Threadwell's build turn out and will using many of the same techniques. Please stay tuned. ;)
I wonder if the Vallejo reacted with the paint, though it's made to mix with acrylics. The envirotex pour looks good. Does the envirotex lite have an odor?
Jeff
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on September 06, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
I wonder if the Vallejo reacted with the paint, though it's made to mix with acrylics. The envirotex pour looks good. Does the envirotex lite have an odor?
Jeff
Jeff
I used all Vallejo acrylic paints so I'm not sure what went wrong with the chemistry experiment. I'm real happy with envirotex pour. I didn't detect any real odor from it. I kept the spray booth fan going just incase. I helped Frank Baker make a large pour of evirotex light on his layout a few years ago and we didn't have any issues with odor. I think the chemistry has changed for the product from the stuff I ready about 30 years ago when odor was a big issue. I remember George Sellios talking about how bad the odor was when he did the big water pours on the F&SM. I will ask him about it next time we talk.
Quote from: S&S RR on September 06, 2021, 09:03:15 AM
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on September 06, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
I wonder if the Vallejo reacted with the paint, though it's made to mix with acrylics. The envirotex pour looks good. Does the envirotex lite have an odor?
Jeff
Jeff
I used all Vallejo acrylic paints so I'm not sure what went wrong with the chemistry experiment. I'm real happy with envirotex pour. I didn't detect any real odor from it. I kept the spray booth fan going just incase. I helped Frank Baker make a large pour of evirotex light on his layout a few years ago and we didn't have any issues with odor. I think the chemistry has changed for the product from the stuff I ready about 30 years ago when odor was a big issue. I remember George Sellios talking about how bad the odor was when he did the big water pours on the F&SM. I will ask him about it next time we talk.
I second, I've used envirotex several time and sometimes in place not so well ventilated (Winter are very cold here) and I never detect any odour, and I'm still alive and the cat too :D
Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on September 06, 2021, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 06, 2021, 09:03:15 AM
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on September 06, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
I wonder if the Vallejo reacted with the paint, though it's made to mix with acrylics. The envirotex pour looks good. Does the envirotex lite have an odor?
Jeff
Jeff
I used all Vallejo acrylic paints so I'm not sure what went wrong with the chemistry experiment. I'm real happy with envirotex pour. I didn't detect any real odor from it. I kept the spray booth fan going just incase. I helped Frank Baker make a large pour of evirotex light on his layout a few years ago and we didn't have any issues with odor. I think the chemistry has changed for the product from the stuff I ready about 30 years ago when odor was a big issue. I remember George Sellios talking about how bad the odor was when he did the big water pours on the F&SM. I will ask him about it next time we talk.
I second, I've used envirotex several time and sometimes in place not so well ventilated (Winter are very cold here) and I never detect any odour, and I'm still alive and the cat too :D
Eric
Eric
Thank you for the confirmation on the odor - I'm past the 24 hour dry time and still no bubbles.
As promised this morning, here are a few pictures of my river test with the envirotex. The test area was prepared by painting on a number of coats (three or four) of the Titbond III wood glue that I use. The first step was to pour the loose gravel I plan on using for my river bed into the area until the bottom was covered. I then poured the envirotex over the loose grave to a depth of approximately 1/4 inch. I then added the rocks along the river banks and in the center of the river. I added a couple small pieces of wood floating in the river. After adding the rocks, I took care of the few bubbles that I had using a hair dryer.
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The dry gravel.
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After the pour and the rocks were added.
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This morning after drying overnight.
This pour may get used for my layout. I plan on building up the banks adding some more details to the water and then pouring another 1/4 inch of envirotex. White water and flow will be added using the same medium products that I will be using on the Sayles build.
Update: Before I quit for the day, today, I took a picture of what I was working on on each workbench. I made more progress on the Brownsville build and the Sayles mill axillary buildings.
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I need to do something about that white wall - it is sure reflecting in the windows. I think a A&I wash to get rid of some shiny spots is also in order.
Great work as usual, John. For that interior on the Hydrocal wall, I'd use my cheap black hobby store paint to cancel it out. Alternatively, some black construction paper, half cut and slotted together to form an X shape, is a great way to block out interiors without painting or committing.
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on September 07, 2021, 08:38:42 AM
Great work as usual, John. For that interior on the Hydrocal wall, I'd use my cheap black hobby store paint to cancel it out. Alternatively, some black construction paper, half cut and slotted together to form an X shape, is a great way to block out interiors without painting or committing.
Craig
Thank you for the kind words, I plan on hitting it with some black paint before I close it up. I also should mention that I'm using a new technique with sizing the moldings. I cut them long with the nippers and then sand them to size with a sanding block/stick - really saves some time when you can get at them assembled.
John,
Fantastic work on the S&S RR. When I grow up I want to be as fast as you are in working on various projects on one layout. I believe the formula for Envirotex has changed over the years for the better. I do remember the smell and also the fact that 25+ years ago the then Envirotex yellowed over the years.
Anyway, well done my friend.
Tom ;D
QuoteWhen I grow up I want to be as fast as you are...
John 'the Bolt' Siekirk!!!
Yes - as always - progress is a plenty. Even when things go wrong it doesn't slow you down! Looking good, my friend.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 07, 2021, 05:25:01 PM
John,
Fantastic work on the S&S RR. When I grow up I want to be as fast as you are in working on various projects on one layout. I believe the formula for Envirotex has changed over the years for the better. I do remember the smell and also the fact that 25+ years ago the then Envirotex yellowed over the years.
Anyway, well done my friend.
Tom ;D
Thank you for the kind words Tom. As for growing up, I'm against it, they make you go to work and deal with crazy people. :o I'm happy playing with my trains. I'm not sure why my font just got bigger but I can live with it. I have been told that the key to the odor issue came with the Envirotex "Lite" formula change. I will ask George about the yellowing issue - he has water in the North River of the F&SM that is 25-30 years old. Unless he changed it. As for the build speed, yes I have three builds going at once most of the time, but I still think Karl builds a lot faster. Just sayin.(http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050921222626-502531893.jpeg)
I just ordered a 1/2 gallon of the stuff for my river project. I'm waiting for a txt from the CFO when she sees what it cost.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on September 07, 2021, 06:10:05 PM
QuoteWhen I grow up I want to be as fast as you are...
John 'the Bolt' Siekirk!!!
Yes - as always - progress is a plenty. Even when things go wrong it doesn't slow you down! Looking good, my friend.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the encouraging words. I like to try different products and different techniques and you are going to have things go wrong some times when you do that. It bothers me that I don't know what went wrong but I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure it out when I like the results with the Envirotex Lite. On word - to Karl speed and beyond, but never at the cost of quality. ;)
Update: Here are a few photographs from my workbenches, today.
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Dry fit of the boiler house.
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More roofing to do in the morning.
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Starting the weather shed on the Brownsville Depot (aka the Eagles Nest Depot)
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Also, more detailing.
Update: I made some more progress on the Brownsville Depot build - renamed the Eagles Nest Depot. The rough weather shed has been constructed and is ready for detailing.
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The annex building for the Sayles Mill build made it's way to the workbench for a dry fit. I will be doing a little more detailing before it is glued to the baseboard. I'm real excited to see this build with mountains behind it.
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John, You did a Beautiful job!!!!
Quote from: Dennis Bourey on September 09, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
John, You did a Beautiful job!!!!
Dennis
Thank you for the encouraging words.
Awesome John.
Doug
Quote from: NKP768 on September 10, 2021, 03:59:47 PM
Awesome John.
Doug
Doug
Thank you for the kind words. Now for the details.
Update: I spent the day, today, doing detail work on both the Sayles and Eagles Nest Depot builds. I have been making a list from the progress pictures and decided to make the changes before moving forward with the builds. Tomorrow, I plan on finishing the major construction on the Depot and continuing with the detailing of the Sayles Mill. Once these two builds are complete I will be concentrating on finishing the scenery in the Eagles Nest Yard area for a few weeks. This is a perfect project to do during my fishing season because it's easy to start and stop. I try to finish the scenery a few square feet at a time. Usually working on two or three areas at a time to allow for glue drying time. Stay tuned - there will be pictures. ;)
Did anyone else notice that the lighting rod on the depot was bent over? :-[ I can't find anyone else in the shop to blame.
Overreached lol.
I thought that was a crank handle for winding up the station agent...
Quote from: Dennis Bourey on September 10, 2021, 08:34:48 PM
Overreached lol.
I hit it with something. I straightened it out but one more time and there will be glue involved in the fix.
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on September 10, 2021, 09:11:00 PM
I thought that was a crank handle for winding up the station agent...
Craig
No, it powers the 1940's LED lights. I fixed it.
Quote from: S&S RR on September 10, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
Did anyone else notice that the lighting rod on the depot was bent over? :-[ I can't find anyone else in the shop to blame.
Well, I missed it. 8)
Tom ;D
Missed it. Must of happened between post 95 and 96.
I think it was a test to see how closely we actually look at your pictures. ???
I failed. >:(
Bernd
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 11, 2021, 07:16:51 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 10, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
Did anyone else notice that the lighting rod on the depot was bent over? :-[ I can't find anyone else in the shop to blame.
Well, I missed it. 8)
Tom ;D
Tom
So did I - until I looked at the pictures. My camera is still one of my most important modeling tools. I catch things in the pictures that I miss looking at the model on the workbench. With the new iPhones, that intensify the contrast, it really helps to blend the colors.
Quote from: Bernd on September 11, 2021, 08:00:40 AM
Missed it. Must of happened between post 95 and 96.
I think it was a test to see how closely we actually look at your pictures. ???
I failed. >:(
Bernd
Bernd
I need to stop storing stuff on the back of the workbench that I have to reach over the model to retrieve. Pictures catch everything and make a great reference for model touchups.
Quote from: S&S RR on September 11, 2021, 10:18:23 AMMy camera is still one of my most important modeling tools.
Couldn't agree more. I actually use an Optivisor for many purposes now. Not because my eyesight is poor, but just so I can get in close and get these details first time around.
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on September 11, 2021, 10:31:49 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 11, 2021, 10:18:23 AMMy camera is still one of my most important modeling tools.
Couldn't agree more. I actually use an Optivisor for many purposes now. Not because my eyesight is poor, but just so I can get in close and get these details first time around.
Craig
I have a number of optical devices that I use from time to time. Most of the time I rely on my trifocal lens glasses that I had the eye doctor make special for me with the lines at just the right place and with increased peripheral vision. I hated glasses when I first started wearing them because I felt like I was looking through binoculars all the time. I basically went in and told him what I didn't like and he worked with me to fix it.
Update: A couple progress photographs from my workbench, today.
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You can really see the iPhone turn straight lines into curves in this photograph.
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Update: Well tonight the buildings are together for both the Eagles Nest Depot and the Sayles Mill. The freight depot portion of the Depot has interior detail and a removable roof - I need to add the bracing to the roof before I add it to the assembly. After completing the roof, tomorrow will start the detailing portion of the build. This build will be on the layout where I can reach it, so most of the scenery will be added once it's on the layout. I also plan on adding some LED lights so the interior detail will be visible through the open doors.
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The Sayles Mill is a real in process picture, tonight, with weights holding the Annex building down until the glue dries. Most of the scenery for this build will be completed on my workbench because it will be located in the back of the layout where it's not a lot of fun adding details. So tomorrow it's all about the details.
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Great progress, John.
Both dioramas are coming along very nicely. I really like the weathering on your Eagles nest depot. I like your late night updates - it means when I sit down for afternoon smoko in your tomorrow there is something cool to read and study.
Cheers, Mark.
Hey John:
Both the station and Sayles Mill look just beautiful. Can't wait to see them finsihed and on the layout.
Karl
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on September 12, 2021, 11:42:15 PM
Great progress, John.
Both dioramas are coming along very nicely. I really like the weathering on your Eagles nest depot. I like your late night updates - it means when I sit down for afternoon smoko in your tomorrow there is something cool to read and study.
Cheers, Mark.
Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad our schedules from the other side of the earth meet at a convenient time. I hope to have some detailing pictures for your review during your afternoon smoko.
Quote from: postalkarl on September 13, 2021, 02:57:27 AM
Hey John:
Both the station and Sayles Mill look just beautiful. Can't wait to see them finsihed and on the layout.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for your kind words, my friend. It will not be long now before we can see what they look like on the layout.
Update: I made some more progress on the Eagles Nest Depot and the Sayles Mill builds, today. I completed the roof for the freight depot and started to add the detail castings. Many more to come. I also added a couple LED lights to the front top corners of the freight station so the interior detail will be visible through the open doors. The Sayles Mill has the annex building glued in place and a loading dock added to the annex building. The deck will be covered by a roof.
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Primary colors are hard to pull off without looking toy-like, the yellow here is great!
dave
Hey John:
Both of these builds look just beautiful. Can't wait to see them finished.
Karl
Quote from: deemery on September 14, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
Primary colors are hard to pull off without looking toy-like, the yellow here is great!
dave
Dave
Thank you for the kind words. I agree that some colors are more challenging than others - I wasn't very happy with the yellow until I started to weather it.
Super job on the builds.
Quote from: Lynnb on September 16, 2021, 05:54:33 PM
Super job on the builds.
Thank you for the kind words and for following along.
Update: Today, I took the final workbench photographs of the Eagles Nest Depot build. I will make the final workbench changes from these photographs and then move the model to the layout for final detailing. So here are the photographs:
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Incredible job John.....
Wonderful scenes John , so many details.
Gorgeous once again, John.
That's a lot of wires going into the base. Do you have separate lighting circuits that you plan to animate/sequence in some way?
Looks great John!
Wonderful!! This will a great addition to the layout!
Jerry
Great work and great detail.
What kind of foam board is the model set on? Is it stable enough for what you used it for? Thanks.
Bernd
John,
This thread keeps calling me back! Incredible work my friend, very well done. Love it all.
Tom ;D
good looking job John
Quote from: Janbouli on September 20, 2021, 05:51:53 AM
Wonderful scenes John , so many details.
Jan
Thank you for the encouraging words. I forgot the pictures of the end view.
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Quote from: vinceg on September 20, 2021, 07:16:08 AM
Gorgeous once again, John.
That's a lot of wires going into the base. Do you have separate lighting circuits that you plan to animate/sequence in some way?
Vince
Thank you for the kind words. The wires are for the interior LED lighting, 3 LED's in the freight house (6 wires) and the same for the main depot - they provide light through the windows. The wires will run to a control panel that provides on / off switching for the lights. Nothing animated on this one.
Quote from: MAP on September 20, 2021, 08:12:32 AM
Looks great John!
Mark
Thank you, this one is about ready to go on the layout.
Quote from: Jerry on September 20, 2021, 08:52:35 AM
Wonderful!! This will a great addition to the layout!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along and all your encouraging comments.
Quote from: Bernd on September 20, 2021, 08:59:36 AM
Great work and great detail.
What kind of foam board is the model set on? Is it stable enough for what you used it for? Thanks.
Bernd
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words. The foam board is 3/16 gator board. In this section of the layout I built on the foam board and then attach it (glue it down) to 3/4 inch plywood. It's easier to work with on the workbench but for the next section of the layout I'm going to go back to building directly on the plywood. It isn't worth the extra cost for the light weighting on the workbench. I went to the lumber store and bought enough 3/4 inch plywood for the next area of the layout just before the prices on lumber went through the roof. The price has more than doubled since I bought it at our local Menards.
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 20, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
John,
This thread keeps calling me back! Incredible work my friend, very well done. Love it all.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you my friend. It's time to make some progress on the scenery in Eagles Nest Yard.
Quote from: sdrees on September 20, 2021, 05:19:14 PM
good looking job John
Steve
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I'm trying to make a little progress each day.
Update: Well today the Eagles Nest Depot made its way to the layout. Tomorrow, I plan on starting the very big project of completing the scenery for the Eagles Nest Yard area of the Superior & Seattle Railroad. Tonight, I placed all the major structures in position. I say major because I have about 6 smaller structures that I plan to build for this area. Those builds will continue as I complete the scenery. The major builds have been detailed as far a I wanted to go before put them in place on the layout. The following pictures will serve as the "before scenery" pictures. As promised, I will be documenting the scenery process with pictures as I go. In addition to the scenery I also have some turnout motors to install and track work that need to be painted and ballasted. My plan is to start at the Stone Roundhouse and work my way a square foot at a time until I reach the Mt. Aiden Trestle. That's a lot of square feet. So here is the current status photographs.
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Yes, I have to much light on G. Wiliker's. I need to do some adjusting to the valance lighting.
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The plywood bases along the industrial row at the back of the yard are removable, so I will be completing the scenery by poking my head up through the benchwork. As it is completed, the baseboards will be screwed down and access will be by bridge for any repairs. I will be establishing touch down locations for the legs of my bridge (see earlier discussion in volume 3) as I complete the scenery and final detailing.
Quote from: S&S RR on September 20, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words. The foam board is 3/16 gator board. In this section of the layout I built on the foam board and then attach it (glue it down) to 3/4 inch plywood. It's easier to work with on the workbench but for the next section of the layout I'm going to go back to building directly on the plywood. It isn't worth the extra cost for the light weighting on the workbench. I went to the lumber store and bought enough 3/4 inch plywood for the next area of the layout just before the prices on lumber went through the roof. The price has more than doubled since I bought it at our local Menards.
Thanks John for the explanation. I'm going to give that a try with my quarry line rock crusher. Having seen all your other builds has convinced me I need to use that technique also. I like the idea of building and assembling the whole kit at the bench.
Just finished looking at your last posted pictures. That will be one fantastic scene when it gets done. I'll be checking in daily to watch the progress. I bet I'm going to learn something watching this scene take shape.
Bernd
Hey John:
those two builds look just spectacular. The RR looks just beautiful.
Karl
What a wonderful looking area. It all looks top notch.
Quote from: Bernd on September 20, 2021, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 20, 2021, 05:58:12 PM
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words. The foam board is 3/16 gator board. In this section of the layout I built on the foam board and then attach it (glue it down) to 3/4 inch plywood. It's easier to work with on the workbench but for the next section of the layout I'm going to go back to building directly on the plywood. It isn't worth the extra cost for the light weighting on the workbench. I went to the lumber store and bought enough 3/4 inch plywood for the next area of the layout just before the prices on lumber went through the roof. The price has more than doubled since I bought it at our local Menards.
Thanks John for the explanation. I'm going to give that a try with my quarry line rock crusher. Having seen all your other builds has convinced me I need to use that technique also. I like the idea of building and assembling the whole kit at the bench.
Just finished looking at your last posted pictures. That will be one fantastic scene when it gets done. I'll be checking in daily to watch the progress. I bet I'm going to learn something watching this scene take shape.
Bernd
You are welcome, and its great to have you along on the journey.
Quote from: postalkarl on September 20, 2021, 10:31:33 PM
Hey John:
those two builds look just spectacular. The RR looks just beautiful.
Karl
Karl
Thank you my friend, I have a couple more boxes sitting on my workbench.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 21, 2021, 08:04:15 AM
What a wonderful looking area. It all looks top notch.
Curt
Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along.
John, No need for encouraging words. Top notch all the way.
Eagles Nest reminded me of where I visited this summer , the holiday home/bunker of Hitler in Berchtesgaden Germany , Kehlsteinhaus aka Adlers Nest. Although it's a tourist attraction , with the golden elevator to take you to the top, there is nothing there relating to Hitler or the Nazi's or the war, even the mosaics in the floors have been covered up. I can understand why the Germans did this ,but I think even the baddest of all history shouldn't be covered so that our children's children can learn from it.
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Quote from: Dennis Bourey on September 21, 2021, 12:00:42 PM
John, No need for encouraging words. Top notch all the way.
Dennis
Thank you
Quote from: Janbouli on September 21, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Eagles Nest reminded me of where I visited this summer , the holiday home/bunker of Hitler in Berchtesgaden Germany , Kehlsteinhaus aka Adlers Nest. Although it's a tourist attraction , with the golden elevator to take you to the top, there is nothing there relating to Hitler or the Nazi's or the war, even the mosaics in the floors have been covered up. I can understand why the Germans did this ,but I think even the baddest of all history shouldn't be covered so that our children's children can learn from it.
(https://www.salzburg.info/deskline/infrastruktur/objekte/kehlsteinhaus-auf-dem-obersalzberg_14668/image-thumb__666470__slider-main/Kehlsteinhaus_14673.jpg)
Jan
I totally agree with you that we need to teach our children and Grandchildren about how and why past generations have got things very wrong and paid a very high price for it. Hopefully, with that understanding they will not repeat the same mistakes.
As for the Eagles Nest name for my yard, there is an eagles nest with a pair of eagles in the pine trees overlooking the yard. The idea comes from John Allen who had an eagles nest on the top of one of his mountains on the Gorre & Dephetid RR.
Hi John.
Strangely, I wrote a comment on your thread yesterday and it didn't turn up. I said how much I liked the Eagle's Nest sign. The blue really works well against the yellow. Also, I really like the idea of adding elevation signs. I'm thinking when I make it to Shadowlands I might add a few. It will also help with the illusion of great distances having been covered.
Your layout is looking better and better. Looking forward to seeing the super detailing added.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on September 21, 2021, 06:26:26 PM
Hi John.
Strangely, I wrote a comment on your thread yesterday and it didn't turn up. I said how much I liked the Eagle's Nest sign. The blue really works well against the yellow. Also, I really like the idea of adding elevation signs. I'm thinking when I make it to Shadowlands I might add a few. It will also help with the illusion of great distances having been covered.
Your layout is looking better and better. Looking forward to seeing the super detailing added.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
I have had the "missing post" happen to me a few times, too. I think the transmission gets interrupted between your send and the server received and it ends up in what we used to call the bit bucket. Probably showing my age with that term. Anyway, I found the eagle picture on the internet and added the text with Pages on my Mac. I just liked the way it looked and then really liked it when I held it up to the yellow building.
I plan on using the elevation signs and mileage markers thought out the layout. The mileage markers will be the actual inches of track between A and B multiplied by a yet to be determined factor. Kinda like a fast clock. The next few weeks are going to be interesting as the scenery starts taking shape around all these structure builds.
Today, I painted the new wood from the changes to the benchwork the dark forest green, so I have a proper frame when I view things from across the room as I inspect my work. Tomorrow, I will be establishing the proper elevation in each area using beach sand and glue.
Update: I started out the day thinking I would adjust the valance lights before getting started on the scenery. I ended the day with half of the overhead florescent tube lights removed and replaced with new LED fixtures. What a difference, I'm so glad I decided to do this now before moving on with the scenery. After I get the job done I will take some pictures. I'm replacing them with Flat Panel LED fixtures that are adjustable for both brightness and color (from 2000k to 5000k). Each fixture puts out 4000 lumens. I had a few installations where I was reaching over structures. :o :o :o :o It was time to do this project, before moving on. Working overhead on a ladder is not my idea of a good time.
Quote from: S&S RR on September 21, 2021, 06:02:55 PM
Quote from: Janbouli on September 21, 2021, 12:32:48 PM
Eagles Nest reminded me of where I visited this summer , the holiday home/bunker of Hitler in Berchtesgaden Germany , Kehlsteinhaus aka Adlers Nest. Although it's a tourist attraction , with the golden elevator to take you to the top, there is nothing there relating to Hitler or the Nazi's or the war, even the mosaics in the floors have been covered up. I can understand why the Germans did this ,but I think even the baddest of all history shouldn't be covered so that our children's children can learn from it.
(https://www.salzburg.info/deskline/infrastruktur/objekte/kehlsteinhaus-auf-dem-obersalzberg_14668/image-thumb__666470__slider-main/Kehlsteinhaus_14673.jpg)
Jan
I totally agree with you that we need to teach our children and Grandchildren about how and why past generations have got things very wrong and paid a very high price for it. Hopefully, with that understanding they will not repeat the same mistakes.
As for the Eagles Nest name for my yard, there is an eagles nest with a pair of eagles in the pine trees overlooking the yard. The idea comes from John Allen who had an eagles nest on the top of one of his mountains on the Gorre & Dephetid RR.
The guys in the S&S RR South Eagles Nest Yard tower reported that the Eagles are even doing some detail work to their nest.
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Wow , great detail John , it's time this pandemic is over and I can start planning a road trip through the US, by train of course. So many layouts here that I would like to see for myself.
Quote from: Janbouli on September 23, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
Wow , great detail John , it's time this pandemic is over and I can start planning a road trip through the US, by train of course. So many layouts here that I would like to see for myself.
Jan
I hope we can get life back to normal in the world soon. It would be great if you could visit the S&S RR.
Today, I started the scenery work in the Eagles Nest Yard. I started in the corner around the Locomotive Works. The Corner was painted the dark forest green and some Trees were added behind the Locomotive Works. I also added the base coat of real dirt. It is still wet from the soaking of matte medium in the pictures. The area behind the Stone Roundhouse was also completed with the base layer of dirt.
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I also made a couple small repairs inside the Locomotive works (you will notice I had the roof off in the first few pictures), a belt had come loose and my crane operator had come loose and fallen into the repair pit.
Everything looks great John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 24, 2021, 07:07:15 AM
Everything looks great John.
Curt
Thank you, now to get some grass, weeds, and bushes growing in that dirt.
Hey John:
WOW!!! all I can say is beautiful. I just love the stonework.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on September 25, 2021, 01:45:59 AM
Hey John:
WOW!!! all I can say is beautiful. I just love the stonework.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, I'm looking forward to having it framed with some scenery.
Hey John:
You are quite welcome.
Karl
All around nice work John.
Love that roundhouse and engine erection shop and the scenery looks great.
Bernd
Quote from: carl b on September 26, 2021, 10:01:51 AM
All around nice work John.
Carl
Thank you for the kind words. I will be documenting the steps I go through to complete the scenery.
Quote from: Bernd on September 26, 2021, 10:27:08 AM
Love that roundhouse and engine erection shop and the scenery looks great.
Bernd
Bernd
Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along on my journey.
I made a little progress on the scenery in the Eagles Nest Yard. After the dirt dried I added a layer of moss green fine turf. Next, I added some late summer 2mm static grass. After that dried I used a vacuum cleaner to remove the loose stuff and actually remove the static grass in random patches. This is supposed to look like a railroad yard with weeds and grass beside the tracks, not a lawn. Finally, for today, in this section, I added a layer of beige 4.5 mm static grass. This will be vacuumed after it dries. Here is a few pictures of the process so far. You will also notice a few patches of weeds and tuff grass added. After the vacuuming process I will be adding a lot more of these types of materials.
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Lesson Learned: I tried using alcohol as a wetting agent, as per the instructions on the bottle of ballast cement that I bought for a trial. I did a small section of track in front of the locomotive works and then used wet water, like I always have, for the rest of the track in this section. So far it looks like the glue is reacting in some way with the alcohol and drying white instead of clear. We will see how it looks after it has longer to dry. Here are a few pictures to show what is going on.
You can see the difference immediately when I switched to wet water instead of the alcohol.
The instructions on the bottle.
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The product label.
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A picture showing the results. The foreground is where I used the wet water.
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Hey John:
Beautiful pictures as always. Keep em coming. Stonework is awesome.
Karl
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on September 27, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
Hey John:
Beautiful pictures as always. Keep em coming. Stonework is awesome.
Karl
Karl
Karl
Thank you, we have a lot of glue drying tonight. I plan on moving on to the next step in the morning. I also added the dirt to another section beside the roundhouse. I will be moving from section to section waiting for the glue to dry between steps.
good luck with the glue. I love the engine house and the surrounding scenery, particularly, the tall weeds around the siding.
john
Coming along very nicely John !!
The scenery really adds a lot to your already impressive roundhouse, really accentuating the beautiful stone work !!
Looking forward to your continued progress on the S&S !!
--Paul
Quote from: cuse on September 27, 2021, 09:09:21 PM
good luck with the glue. I love the engine house and the surrounding scenery, particularly, the tall weeds around the siding.
john
John
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the encouraging words. On the glue front, I did a test with using alcohol for a wetting agent with Matte Medium and it does the same thing. I'm not sure if anyone ever tried the instructions on the bottle from MicroMart. ::) Anyway, only wet water will be used on the S&S RR.
Quote from: PaulS on September 28, 2021, 07:35:04 AM
Coming along very nicely John !!
The scenery really adds a lot to your already impressive roundhouse, really accentuating the beautiful stone work !!
Looking forward to your continued progress on the S&S !!
--Paul
Paul
Thank you for your kind comments and for stopping by the thread. It is amazing how much better structures look with realistic scenery to frame them. I will be adding many more bushes, trees, weeds, and grasses to this area before moving on to the next area.
John, the alcohol-wetted track remained white? Bummer! (I wonder if you could go back over that section of track with pigments to cover up the white, rather than trying to reballast.)
dave
Quote from: deemery on September 28, 2021, 09:50:10 AM
John, the alcohol-wetted track remained white? Bummer! (I wonder if you could go back over that section of track with pigments to cover up the white, rather than trying to reballast.)
dave
Dave
Yes it did! As I said above no more alcohol as a wetting agent. Water with a couple drop of dish soap works fine - no need to experiment with this anymore. I tested it at the end of the siding where there is more dirt than ballast on the tracks and ties. So I just covered the white with dirt and re-cemented with with wet water and matte medium - all fixed. I'm in the process of adding more scenery in the area, today.
Thanks for the heads up on this John. I've looked at this product before and have always been a little leery of the alcohol mixing with the water. Good to know.
Doug
John, thanks! I'm pondering how to affix the ballast and ground texture in my staging yard. Now I know one thing to not do...
Before I do the main line ballast, I have to cut in an expansion joint and then fix the kink that developed over the summer. I don't like trackwork to begin with, and I really dislike track maintenance!
dave
Quote from: NKP768 on September 28, 2021, 11:38:53 AM
Thanks for the heads up on this John. I've looked at this product before and have always been a little leery of the alcohol mixing with the water. Good to know.
Doug
Doug
The one time I read the instructions and I should have just stuck with my old proven technique. :-[
Quote from: deemery on September 28, 2021, 12:14:14 PM
John, thanks! I'm pondering how to affix the ballast and ground texture in my staging yard. Now I know one thing to not do...
Before I do the main line ballast, I have to cut in an expansion joint and then fix the kink that developed over the summer. I don't like trackwork to begin with, and I really dislike track maintenance!
dave
Dave
Just use wet water to wet everything down - you got to have the soap in there. Just a couple drops will do it in a standard size spray bottle. Then use Matte Medium to glue everything down. I make mine from concentrate 4 parts water to 1 part matte medium. I will post a picture of the applicator that I use. This method has never failed me.
Update: Working on scenery - it sure takes a lot of stuff.
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Looks like a man with a plan John !!
Organized chaos .... Have fun and looking forward to seeing the result !!
--Paul
John,
Looks like you've been very busy. Yes, scenery does take a lot of different stuff.
Since everyone is giving you their thoughts on scenery, I'll share mine here as well.
I apply a layer of white glue and then add the first scenery base. After an hour or so I go the the next step.
I take a 16 oz Ace Hardware spray bottle and us one full squirt of the Photo Flo by Kodak. I fill the bottle to the 10oz level and then add the Photo Flo to make the wet water. It immediately breaks down the scenery to receive the Matte Medium. I apply it one day and the next morning it is dry and ready for the second addition of scenery.
I've used both the concentrate and the ready mix. Lately, I've been using the ready mix as I've become lazy. Both methods work very well. By the way, I've never used the watered down white glue method for securing scenery.
Also, I don't spray the matte medium on, I use the plastic pipette to add the medium. This gives me better control of the application.
The layout is looking great my friend.
Tom ;D
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Quote from: PaulS on September 28, 2021, 07:34:13 PM
Looks like a man with a plan John !!
Organized chaos .... Have fun and looking forward to seeing the result !!
--Paul
Paul
Organized chaos is a good way to explain it. The carts that you see in the picture roll neatly under the layout when not in use. The drawers are filled with scenery materials and supplies. I also have plastic bins that stack under the layout for the bulky supplies. When I'm working, it's just like my workbench organized chaos on the top of the carts and all over the benchwork. Usually its getting everything where I can reach it when I stick my head up though the benchwork that generates the chaos.
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 29, 2021, 09:34:45 AM
John,
Looks like you've been very busy. Yes, scenery does take a lot of different stuff.
Since everyone is giving you their thoughts on scenery, I'll share mine here as well.
I apply a layer of white glue and then add the first scenery base. After an hour or so I go the the next step.
I take a 16 oz Ace Hardware spray bottle and us one full squirt of the Photo Flo by Kodak. I fill the bottle to the 10oz level and then add the Photo Flo to make the wet water. It immediately breaks down the scenery to receive the Matte Medium. I apply it one day and the next morning it is dry and ready for the second addition of scenery.
I've used both the concentrate and the ready mix. Lately, I've been using the ready mix as I've become lazy. Both methods work very well. By the way, I've never used the watered down white glue method for securing scenery.
Also, I don't spray the matte medium on, I use the plastic pipette to add the medium. This gives me better control of the application.
The layout is looking great my friend.
Tom ;D
Thank you for describing your technique for applying ballast. I think the big difference between your technique and mine is the photo flo in place of the dish soap. I believe they both do a good job of breaking the surface tension and get the Matte Medium to flow and wet the surface properly. I agree that spray bottles with Matte Medium are dangerous in my hands. I end up with the stuff on everything. I use an applicator that I've had for 25 or more years. I bought 6 of them at the time and still have 4. I probably will find the other two under the benchwork at some point. ;) I need to go take a picture and will post latter, tonight. Thanks again, for following along and your contributions to the thread.
As promised, here is a picture of the applicator that I use to apply the Matte Medium.
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Hey John:
You are quite welcome. I'm enjoying what you are doing.
Karl
Update: I have added three layers of scenery to the area around the locomotive works at this point. I'm taking pictures as I go and will post the pictures of each layer once I get to the point were I like it enough to consider it close to being done. I don't think scenery is ever really done - I keep adding to the areas of the layout that were declared done years ago. ;)
I'm real happy with the new static grass applicator - it's called a "Static King" - I bought it through ScenicExpress. I finally have an applicator that will do a good job of standing the 6 mm fibers up on end.
I'll have some pictures to post by this weekend, if all goes well.
John, what are you using as the glue for static grass?
dave
Quote from: deemery on October 01, 2021, 08:26:05 AM
John, what are you using as the glue for static grass?
dave
Dave
Here is a picture of the container for the glue that I'm using. It comes concentrated and you mix it 4:1 with water. It seems to be working very well. This is a new product for me that was recommended by Jim at Scenic Express.
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Well, I completed enough layers of scenery around the Stone Roundhouse and Locomotive works areas that I decided to take a few markup photographs. This is the point where I step back and study some photographs of the scene and decide where I want to go from here. I will post photographs of some of the steps I went through to get to this point once I have the scene completed.
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Notes:
You will notice that I'm in the process of swapping out the plastic roof vents on the roundhouse with metal castings that Bob supplied with the original kit. I like these castings a lot better.
I need to add more randomly placed bushes and weeds - it still has that evenly spaced "landscaper look" - mother nature does a much better job of planting bushes.
My workbench is full of castings for the junk piles that will be added to make the scene look more like a running railroad.
I have been spending a lot of time studying the photographs from my field trips to get the colors right. Getting the grass the color I liked has been the hardest task so far in this process. As part of the progress steps I will post a few prototype photographs.
Looking great John , might I say one thing though , to me the grass looks a bit uniform colored , but that could be the lighting of the photo's.
And maybe I'm totally wrong , but the blocks they are building with seem much to heavy to just climb up a ladder, wouldn't they have used some kind of lifting or pulling gear to get them up on that scaffold.
Quote from: Janbouli on October 02, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
Looking great John , might I say one thing though , to me the grass looks a bit uniform colored , but that could be the lighting of the photo's.
Jan
My thoughts exactly, I'm working on that. I'm going to post some prototype photographs in a few minutes that are my starting point. One of the issues is the photographs where taken with my iPhone that tends to brighten the lighter colors. I plan to get the SLR out and take some pictures before making any big moves.
Here are a few photographs of the grass in the area I'm modeling.
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John,
Great looking scenery. Love the close ups of the roundhouse and engine shop. I saved the pictures for reference when I get to building my scratch build roundhouse. Thanks for posting those close ups.
Bernd
Several modelers (Don Ball, the late Harold Minkwitz) have done 'golden west' grass fields. To my eastern eye, those always look funny, but I understand that's how the prototype looks. From your prototype photos, seems there are some small patches of lower, more green plants mixed in with the golden grasses.
dave
Quote from: deemery on October 02, 2021, 10:14:28 AM
Several modelers (Don Ball, the late Harold Minkwitz) have done 'golden west' grass fields. To my eastern eye, those always look funny, but I understand that's how the prototype looks. From your prototype photos, seems there are some small patches of lower, more green plants mixed in with the golden grasses.
dave
Yes , some of the prototype photo's makes me rethink my post , they are as uniform as John modeled it , I do think the photo's with more green in it look nicer.
Excellent John. I really like all the grass.
Looking really great, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Update: So, when I posted the pictures I knew I didn't like the way it looked. Yes, I added more browns and golden colors to the grass, and it helped, but that didn't completely do it for me. After reviewing the issue with Wayne Olson we figured it out. I was complete violating the "George Sellios" pallet to use Cuse's term. I pulled out a lot of off color bushes and will have pictures later tonight. All is well, in S&S RR country. Yes, the grass is different in the West. Weeds and bushes grow in clumps, not evenly spaced, it makes a huge difference. All of the green bushes will be used around buildings where the landscapers put them.
Quote from: Bernd on October 02, 2021, 09:56:24 AM
John,
Great looking scenery. Love the close ups of the roundhouse and engine shop. I saved the pictures for reference when I get to building my scratch build roundhouse. Thanks for posting those close ups.
Bernd
Bernd
Thank you, I think you will like the pictures I post tonight even better.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 02, 2021, 02:59:10 PM
Excellent John. I really like all the grass.
Curt
Thank you for encouraging comments. I did a little tweak to the grass color, added more browns and golden brown fibers. See what you think with the new pictures.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on October 02, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Looking really great, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you, I think I have it going in the right direction, and now with a few minor but important, changes, it will look even better. IMO
I'm heading back into the train room to finish the changes and take some pictures. More, tonight.
Here are a couple pictures after the changes. I give all the credit to Wayne Olson for pointing out what was wrong with the scene in the earlier pictures. I told him there was something wrong but I couldn't point to it. He walked over and said this right here looks great. And then he started pulling out the dark green and light green bushes. As he did it the grass looked better and the "problem" I was having with the scene went away. To quote Wayne "just because you bought all the different colors of bushes you don't have to use them in the same scene". Wayne has some formal art training and I always respect and enjoy his critiques. I immediately thought of the discuss, initiated by John (aka Cuse), here on the forum this week, about George Sellios and the F&SM - "the colors in the layout are all from the same pallet". So here is what the scene looks like after the changes. It's all in the details. And tomorrow I will be adding more details and another level of scenery to this scene. And then I will be moving on to the next section of the layout.
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So I think this looks a lot better, what do you think?
Looks great and used very little.
Yep , looks much more natural , great job John
That looks beautiful John.
John M.
Coming along very nicely John !!
And your (you and Wayne's) observation and decision to review/adjust the color pallette was well worth the effort.
Looks very natural.
I'll be following along as you continue to integrate your builds into this section of the S&S.
Be well,
--Paul
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 02, 2021, 08:27:43 PM
Looks great and used very little.
Curt
At this point it does look a little abandoned. I have lots of detail castings, foot paths, roads, and figures that will bring it to life and give it the used, operating railroad look. I have a snow plow that will probably find a home right beside the Roundhouse. A layer at a time. I try to get each layer right before moving on to the next one.
Quote from: Janbouli on October 03, 2021, 05:10:45 AM
Yep , looks much more natural , great job John
Jan
Thank you, I hope it's heading in the right direction. On to the next layer.
Quote from: cuse on October 03, 2021, 05:46:50 AM
That looks beautiful John.
John M.
John
Thank you my friend. Your comments on the F&SM earlier this week were spot on. I'm learning how to do this for a railroad in the West with a little different pallet and scenery. It's the journey and the details. ;)
Quote from: PaulS on October 03, 2021, 08:25:04 AM
Coming along very nicely John !!
And your (you and Wayne's) observation and decision to review/adjust the color pallette was well worth the effort.
Looks very natural.
I'll be following along as you continue to integrate your builds into this section of the S&S.
Be well,
--Paul
Paul
Thank you for following along and the encouraging comments. We have a few layers to go to complete this scene.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 03, 2021, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: cuse on October 03, 2021, 05:46:50 AM
That looks beautiful John.
John M.
John
Thank you my friend. Your comments on the F&SM earlier this week were spot on. I'm learning how to do this for a railroad in the West with a little different pallet and scenery. It's the journey and the details. ;)
thanks...good to hear you see it too. Lately, when I view the FSM pics, I'm just mesmerized with appreciation on a whole new level. I could write the same fawning comments every time. It's just better on a mystical level. No other layout looks anything like the FSM, there's a hidden binding element throughout that makes it so instantly recognizable. There are so many layouts that I absolutely study and many "overlap" or share a look...not the FSM, it's completely on an island.
John
A shrubbery! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A
Looks good, definitely "gone to seed." If there are likely well-used paths around the yard, you could do some changes to the foilage to make them stand out.
dave
Quote from: deemery on October 03, 2021, 10:01:30 AM
A shrubbery! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A)
Looks good, definitely "gone to seed." If there are likely well-used paths around the yard, you could do some changes to the foilage to make them stand out.
dave
Dave
I have a small attachment for my shop vac that does a great job of clearing a footpath. The casting clutter in the grass will also help to make it look like an operational railroad.
Another day, another layer of details.
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Fred is on his way over to the locomotive works to check on the repairs to his favorite locomotive.
Hey John:
All I can say is Wowwie. Just beautifully done. Great colts and beautifully done scenery. I really like your bumpers.
Karl
Very nice John
Quote from: postalkarl on October 03, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
Hey John:
All I can say is Wowwie. Just beautifully done. Great colts and beautifully done scenery. I really like your bumpers.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the kind words. The bumpers are built with wood and dirt - two materials the S&S RR have in great supply. I may just use the same construction for the bumpers in the Superior Yard.
Quote from: sdrees on October 03, 2021, 05:45:01 PM
Very nice John
Steve
Thank you for following along and the encouraging words. I got the dirt and the ballast down in front of the Roundhouse before dinner, this evening.
I had a nice talk with George Sellios this morning - he had already seen the pictures of scenery in front of the locomotive works. He told me the he really liked the scene and said he is not conscious of using the same color pallet as we discussed, but just creates the scenes on the F&SM using a "GOD given talent". George also told me about his new project on the F&SM - something for the next group of visitors at his next open house to find a photograph. I hope we get some pictures posted on the forum.
Fabulous scenery John. I love it those two buildings. Just something about the block walls.
The first impression I got from the pictures was that it looked like the buildings had been abandoned for several years with the height of the grass and shrubs. Only my opinion. Perhaps your not done with with strewing around junk parts yet.
Bernd
John,
Your scenery work looks great !
Makes the structures really stand out in your scenes on the layout.
Tommy
Quote from: Bernd on October 05, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
Fabulous scenery John. I love it those two buildings. Just something about the block walls.
The first impression I got from the pictures was that it looked like the buildings had been abandoned for several years with the height of the grass and shrubs. Only my opinion. Perhaps your not done with with strewing around junk parts yet.
Bernd
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate your comments. I'm working on the abandoned look.
The S&S RR is way too busy moving freight to bother with mowing the grass or trimming the bushes. I have a lot more details to add to the scene that will make it look less abandoned. Just adding a figure walking between the roundhouse and the locomotive works helped a lot. Please stay tuned.
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on October 05, 2021, 05:35:36 PM
John,
Your scenery work looks great !
Makes the structures really stand out in your scenes on the layout.
Tommy
Tommy
Thank you my friend. I really like how the scenery makes the structures pop out in the scene. A few more layers to go but it's getting there.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 05, 2021, 08:54:17 PM
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate your comments. I'm working on the abandoned look.
The S&S RR is way too busy moving freight to bother with mowing the grass or trimming the bushes. I have a lot more details to add to the scene that will make it look less abandoned. Just adding a figure walking between the roundhouse and the locomotive works helped a lot. Please stay tuned.
You're welcome. I wasn't going to mention the way it looked. Won't be abandoning this thread come hell or high water. I want to see what the layout will look like when done. Keep up the great modeling. I'll learn a bit more on scenery from following.
Bernd
Quote from: Bernd on October 06, 2021, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on October 05, 2021, 08:54:17 PM
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate your comments. I'm working on the abandoned look.
The S&S RR is way too busy moving freight to bother with mowing the grass or trimming the bushes. I have a lot more details to add to the scene that will make it look less abandoned. Just adding a figure walking between the roundhouse and the locomotive works helped a lot. Please stay tuned.
You're welcome. I wasn't going to mention the way it looked. Won't be abandoning this thread come hell or high water. I want to see what the layout will look like when done. Keep up the great modeling. I'll learn a bit more on scenery from following.
Bernd
Bernd
It's great to have you along on the journey. I'm getting back at my modeling, today, after being away for a few days.
Update: I'm getting started with the area in-front of the Roundhouse, now. The dirt and ballast are in, and the track has been cleaned. It looks like I need to fix one of the Roundhouse doors that got hit while I was cleaning the track. Next up, scenery materials.
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As I'm adding the scenery to the Eagles Nest yard I'm finding it easier to work on a few square inches at a time rather than a few square feet and lots of layers. Here is a picture of the few square inches that I worked on today in front of the Stone Roundhouse.
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Yes, there will be changes (for example the little birch tree is going find a new home). And I have a plan for the area in front of this, I'm waiting for some castings to dry.
In addition to working on the scenery, I have been preparing a large batch of detail castings for primer. I'll have a picture tomorrow.
Update: The work on the scenery is continuing, I will take some progress pictures at the end of the day, today. I'm also working on preparing a large batch of detail castings for priming. My workbenches are filling up with a bunch of little projects, details for the Eagles Nest Yard. Cranes and roof top water tanks and details to name a few. These are all great projects going into my fall fishing trips when I have less time at the workbench.
That's a great little scene, John. The colors all play very nicely together.
John, to pick a nit: Seems to me that stuff tends to rust -to an even color over time-. That pile looks like it's at least 30 years old. If that's not your intent, you might want to shade stuff so there's more color variation.
dave
Quote from: vinceg on October 10, 2021, 09:24:28 AM
That's a great little scene, John. The colors all play very nicely together.
Vince
Thank you, I'm working hard to get the coloring right on this scenery. Taking pictures and studying them while referencing prototype photographs really helps. It also really helps to have a story behind the scene. Like all the piles of junk parts in the weeds from the days before the S&S RR Locomotive Works, when all the locomotive work was done in the yard.
Quote from: deemery on October 10, 2021, 09:32:06 AM
John, to pick a nit: Seems to me that stuff tends to rust -to an even color over time-. That pile looks like it's at least 30 years old. If that's not your intent, you might want to shade stuff so there's more color variation.
dave
Dave
The idea behind the junk piles is that they are left over from the days when the locomotives and rolling stock was worked on in the yard. I'm looking for them to look like they have been there for years. I also weathered the crates and boxes along the side of the buildings darker with lots of deterioration to the wood. All the new work would be done in the locomotive works. By-the-way, the locomotive works is getting another layer of detail as I go through this process. It's all about the details.
Once of the lessons learned when you start detailing a large section of your layout is that you go through a lot of detail parts. I'm restocking my detail castings and parts as I go so I cut and stained a bunch of railroad ties, today. These will be used along the rail lines in both single ties ready for the repair crew or in stacks ready to ship to where they are needed on the railroad.
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Detail castings is another area that I'm working on, again. I painted a big batch about three months ago and I'm almost through them. This is a project that I can finish, in the evenings, at my cabin, while I'm on my fall fishing trips. I prep and prime the castings at home and then take them with me on my trips mounted on toothpicks for detail painting. They will remain on the toothpicks until I'm ready to glue them in their final position on the layout. In the last few days I prepared 631 castings. The flash has been removed and they have been mounted on the toothpicks. Now, I have to sort them by premier color and get started moving them through the paint booth for primer.
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This batch of castings is what I have picked up at shows and ordered separately from those that come with the craftsman kits. I paint the kit castings in batches of usually, three kits ahead. As soon as I get this batch through the paint booth I will be prepping the castings for my next three builds.
It is all about the details. You can spot a large number of the 3D printed castings from Sierra West Scale Models in this batch. FSM and SWRM works castings are also well represented, I bought these from Railroad kits and Rail Scale Miniatures.
Impressive, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on October 11, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
Impressive, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
As you know - it takes a lot of detail parts to complete a scene. I get in the mood to paint castings and just go for it for a few days.
I took a few progress photographs of the area in front of the Stone Roundhouse for mark-up and I thought I would share them. It's getting there.
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Wow , really looking awesome , you're on the right track John , and going like a TGV
John - Beautiful photos. I like the wall under construction. Nice touch.
That looks great and unique John.
Quote from: Janbouli on October 12, 2021, 04:31:53 AM
Wow , really looking awesome , you're on the right track John , and going like a TGV
Jan
Thank you for the kind words and for following along.
Quote from: Judge on October 12, 2021, 06:35:39 AM
John - Beautiful photos. I like the wall under construction. Nice touch.
Judge
Thank you for the encouraging words and for following along. As soon as I finish the scenery in this area it will be time to start installing all of the structures. There will also be a few weeks of track work and under the layout electrical work to get everything running. All those LED's and turnout controls have to be connected to the control panels.
Sometimes I get so carried away studying your pictures I forget to post something. I see that happened again yesterday.
Looking magnificent, John.
Cheers, Mark.
What a wonderful sight. The roundhouse, the castings... oh the castings!
Great work, John.
That is one Gorgeous job John!!!! The roundhouse and Locomotive work's came out perfect.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on October 12, 2021, 02:04:54 PM
Sometimes I get so carried away studying your pictures I forget to post something. I see that happened again yesterday.
Looking magnificent, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
I'm glad you find interest in the photographs - I also spend a lot of time studying the photographs looking for ways to improve the scene. As always, thank you for following along and your comments. I really like seeing the structure builds come alive when you make them part of a scene on the layout. This stone roundhouse was built from castings from the original Bob VanGelder Stone Roundhouse that he gave to George Sellios. George gave me the castings that were left over from his Stone Roundhouse on the F&SM (with Bob's permission). I made a mold and the rest of the story can be reviewed if you go back a few years in this thread - I documented the story and the build in this thread.
The locomotive works was scratch built from those same original castings. The roof line was designed by Frank Baker (one of our forum members) - he sent me plans and a mockup and said this is what I would do with the roof. I liked it and built it.
Yes - there are future plans for those castings on the S&S RR. Stay tuned.
Quote from: Dennis Bourey on October 12, 2021, 03:30:41 PM
That is one Gorgeous job John!!!! The roundhouse and Locomotive work's came out perfect.
Thank you, my friend.
Update on my detail casting painting project: I decided to prime the castings for my next three builds along with another 200 castings that I just received. Bill at Railroad kits made a bunch of special FSM castings for my VanSel project. It really is easier for me to load up the paint in the airbrush and paint a bunch of castings all at the same time. I will take a picture when they are all on the workbench after making their way through the paint booth.
Hey John:
your last batch of photos is just magnificent. Love the roundhouse and all that great scenery around it.
Keep the pics coming.
Karl
Superb job John. The scene looks great. Just love those two buildings. Makes me want to get going on my roundhouse project.
Bernd
Wow John your round house and area is very impressive, that must be static grass applied to the ground work? What kind of turntable are you using?
I don't know why but castings has always given me a problem , I don't know if it's having to pick several unique colours or what , you sir have it all figured out I see.
Quote from: postalkarl on October 13, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
Hey John:
your last batch of photos is just magnificent. Love the roundhouse and all that great scenery around it.
Keep the pics coming.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, I'm going to go in the my layout room and work until I have something new to take a picture of. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Bernd on October 13, 2021, 06:36:46 PM
Superb job John. The scene looks great. Just love those two buildings. Makes me want to get going on my roundhouse project.
Bernd
Bernd
Thank you for the kind words. Every layout needs at least one roundhouse. I have plans to build a couple more smaller ones for the Superior Yard and I also have one planned for my Narrow Gauge locomotives.
Quote from: Lynnb on October 13, 2021, 11:11:38 PM
Wow John your round house and area is very impressive, that must be static grass applied to the ground work? What kind of turntable are you using?
I don't know why but castings has always given me a problem , I don't know if it's having to pick several unique colours or what , you sir have it all figured out I see.
Lynn
Thank you for kind comments. Yes - I started with Static Grass (5 different layers of different colors and lengths). It looks long by Eastern standards but I have been studying my prototype pictures and that tall golden grass seems to be everywhere in the West. I had this picture in my mind and kept going back to my photographs to reassure myself. I actually had to lay some of the static grass down to give it the wind swept look. The new Static King applicator made it stand up real straight.
For the castings I use Vallejo Surface Primer to start (I sort the castings into four groups that receive a coat of tan, rust brown, black, or white primer) - and yes I do like to paint them in large batches - truth be told - I like to get it out of the way because it's not my favorite part of the hobby. The rusty castings are all painted with calks and alcohol. I use acrylic paints for all the other colors. I typically paint a years worth of castings in the Fall and Early Winter while I'm at my cabin hunting and fishing. Another reason for the large batch.
John beautiful scenery work sure brought the roundhouse to life!
And the building under construction what a great idea adds a lot to the scene.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on October 14, 2021, 10:38:26 PM
John beautiful scenery work sure brought the roundhouse to life!
And the building under construction what a great idea adds a lot to the scene.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words. I'm starting the process of tying the Crew Quarters into the scene, today.
John,
The roundhouse and turntable areas are looking fantastic.
Think how much we would get done it not for taking, uploading, cropping and then posting our updates. :-X
Well done.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 15, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
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Think how much we would get done it not for taking, uploading, cropping and then posting our updates. :-X
...
The rest of us here would be -much the poorer- without the efforts by John, Tom, Bob, et.al. to document their builds. Those provide both instruction and inspiration.
dave
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 15, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
John,
The roundhouse and turntable areas are looking fantastic.
Think how much we would get done it not for taking, uploading, cropping and then posting our updates. :-X
Well done.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for following along and your comments. The posting takes some time but if it helps someone in the hobby get over an issue or avoid an issue then it's time well spent. And the truth be told, I do look back once in awhile to remember how I did something. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D I'm sure you have never done that Tom.
Quote from: deemery on October 15, 2021, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 15, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
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Think how much we would get done it not for taking, uploading, cropping and then posting our updates. :-X
...
The rest of us here would be -much the poorer- without the efforts by John, Tom, Bob, et.al. to document their builds. Those provide both instruction and inspiration.
dave
Dave
As you know the help and inspiration goes both ways. And as I mentioned in my response to Toms's post - build threads like this one really help document the build for me, too. I have a chronological photo album with narration of my layout build and it may even help someone with their layout build. Yes - time well spent. I hope everyone continues on for the journey.
Here are a few progress photographs after I added the crew quarters to the Eagles Nest yard. The baseboard for the Crew Quarters has been sanded in and is ready for the scenery to be added around the edges.
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Wow, that area is starting to pop. Looking great.
Bernd
Hey John:
All I can Say Is WOWWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beautiful job.
Karl
Awesome scene John!
Very nicely done John.
Quote from: Bernd on October 17, 2021, 06:36:37 PM
Wow, that area is starting to pop. Looking great.
Bernd
Bernd
Thank you, I'm adding a little more detail every day.
John
Awesome work. Will you ever run out of space?
Wonderful to see the vista of this area. Really brings your work to life. Well done!
Quote from: postalkarl on October 17, 2021, 11:09:41 PM
Hey John:
All I can Say Is WOWWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beautiful job.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for comments and dedication to following this thread. I spent some time looking at this scene and decided I need to complete 4 smaller structure builds to figure out how I want to place the remaining structures. So it's back to the workbench for a few weeks and then I will return to the scenery and structure placement.
Quote from: Raymo on October 18, 2021, 07:34:45 AM
Awesome scene John!
Dan
Thank you. It's going to look a lot better when I start adding those awesome Raymond vehicle builds. Oh and Dan's Taxi
Service is going to be placed at the North End of the Eagles Nest Depot. In Eagles Nest some of Dan's best customers have taken the Train to the Eagles Nests Depot on their way to the hunting and fishing camps in the surrounding mountains. Dan will need some special equipment for those fares. He has a 4x4 trail to Beach Farms when he needs to rent some horses to complete the trip.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 18, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
Very nicely done John.
Thank you Curt. A little progress every day. ;)
Quote from: John B on October 18, 2021, 09:26:29 AM
John
Awesome work. Will you ever run out of space?
Thank you, John. I have a commitment to the CFO of the S&S RR that the current acquired square footage must be completed before I go after more. I will be a pretty old man before that happens, so stay tuned.
Update: That large group of castings grew to 1124 castings, give or take a few, this morning. This afternoon I got started on the painting. First up, was the castings that are getting a coat of flat white primer. As I promised, I will take a picture once I have them all painted and in one spot. I have been collecting castings for a long time and this batch includes that collection, plus the castings that came in the boxes for the next 4 builds on my build list. I will be putting a coating of primer on all of these castings, and then doing the detail paintings in much smaller batches.
QuoteThat large group of castings grew to 1124 castings
Wow!
Looking great, John.
Cheers, Mark.
John,
This just seems to get better and better with each posting.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on October 19, 2021, 05:33:47 PM
QuoteThat large group of castings grew to 1124 castings
Wow!
Looking great, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for following along - it seems that every time I think I have enough details for an area, including structures, the layout seems to need more. As I mentioned above I have four smaller structures getting started on the workbench to complete the scene in the Eagles Nest Yard.
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 19, 2021, 06:47:55 PM
John,
This just seems to get better and better with each posting.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for encouraging words, I hope it's getting better - need to keep going in the right direction.
Wow...is right.
The magnitude of this layout is amazing. Hope to see it someday!
John
Quote from: cuse on October 21, 2021, 07:48:58 AM
Wow...is right.
The magnitude of this layout is amazing. Hope to see it someday!
John
John
Thank you for the kind words and I hope you do come up for a visit.
Update: Today, my airbrush was going for 9 hours painting detail castings, primer coat. I got on a roll and just kept painting. I have now painted 3 of the five primer colors. About 3/4 of the way through this batch of castings. If I get motivated tomorrow I may finish the batch. I have castings laying across three workbenches right now but I will, as promised, take a picture of everything in one place when this project is complete. I can report that I'm real happy with the performance of my new air brushes painting acrylic paints. There was a leaning curve converting from my old Floquil experience, but I feel that I'm through that now. I started using a rattle can for the flat gray castings just to use up the paint, after about a dozen castings I threw the rattle can away and filled the air brush with grey primer. The lack of rattle cans at the hardware store is not affecting the projects on the S&S RR. That's it from the S&S RR for, tonight.
Sounds like lots of progress there John on the S&S ....
And I can't even imagine working through that mountain of casting all in one go. You are a logistics superman !!
One you have a moment, would you please give us a rundown of your airbrush setup, compressor, airbrush, booth, any special modifications or accessories, etc...
Thanks much and keep up the great work,
--Paul
Quote from: PaulS on October 25, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
Sounds like lots of progress there John on the S&S ....
And I can't even imagine working through that mountain of casting all in one go. You are a logistics superman !!
One you have a moment, would you please give us a rundown of your airbrush setup, compressor, airbrush, booth, any special modifications or accessories, etc...
Thanks much and keep up the great work,
--Paul
Paul
Thank you for stopping by the thread. I would be happy to give you the tour and pass on what I'm doing. I did a lot of airbrush painting with Floquil products for years but about 2 years ago I completely switched to acrylic paints when my Floquil supplies started to get depleted. I did some rattle can painting and had a few unsuccessful attempts with acrylics in the airbrush before I got serous and did a lot of research and experimenting. I'm happy with my results now and will share my process.
I will be painting again today and will take some pictures.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 25, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
Quote from: PaulS on October 25, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
Sounds like lots of progress there John on the S&S ....
And I can't even imagine working through that mountain of casting all in one go. You are a logistics superman !!
One you have a moment, would you please give us a rundown of your airbrush setup, compressor, airbrush, booth, any special modifications or accessories, etc...
Thanks much and keep up the great work,
--Paul
Paul
Thank you for stopping by the thread. I would be happy to give you the tour and pass on what I'm doing. I did a lot of airbrush painting with Floquil products for years but about 2 years ago I completely switched to acrylic paints when my Floquil supplies started to get depleted. I did some rattle can painting and had a few unsuccessful attempts with acrylics in the airbrush before I got serous and did a lot of research and experimenting. I'm happy with my results now and will share my process. I will be painting again today and will take some pictures.
Thanks John, much appreciated !!!
Because Paul asked, here are a few pictures and words to describe my airbrush setup and painting process. This may take a few evenings because it is late and I will not get all the pictures ready and posted tonight.
Let's start with a picture of my very well used 25 plus year old paint booth. It is powered by two bathroom ceiling fans and vents out the side of my house. When I bought the fans I asked for the highest CFM fans that the store sold - as I remember it these fans put out about double the CFM that the next lower model that they had in the store. The clerk said they are loud so we have trouble selling them. I asked if he had a deal on a couple of them and he gave me two for the price of one to get rid of them. They are still doing a great job 25 years later. The construction is very unique because the train line that runs through my workshop runs right though the paint booth underneath a well sealed shelf inside the booth.
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The shelf inside the paint booth.
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Trains in one side and out the other.
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I have some storage tracks in the workshop that got a lot of use before the Superior Yard expansion.
Here is a couple pictures of my, new this year, airbrushes. So far I'm really happy with the performance. I felt good about buying a couple made in the USA products.
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The H series is shown here disassembled for cleaning. Real easy to clean this after a painting session. Five minute job, if you really do a good job.
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The Talon is my detail painting airbrush.
You can see the model numbers and go to the Badger website for detail specifications.
My painting process. I first mount most of the casting for ease of handling. Some get a hole drilled where it will not show and are glued onto a toothpick. Probably 80 percent are mounted in this way. Some get glued to a popsicle stick - when there is not place to drill a hole and are usually done with multiple castings on one stick. I have storage boards with holes for the toothpicks that I use to organize the castings before and after painting. There are also some boards with special slots that hold the popsicle sticks upright.
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Here is a picture from today's painting session. I hold the one end of the toothpick while I paint the casting. I set the airbrush down to take the picture. Not enough hands.
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Okay, that's it for tonight. I will continue with paints and paint mixtures after recharging my batteries. If the weather report is favorable in the morning I may postpone this discussion for a couple days while I go fishing.
John, with all you have going, I really appreciate the time you took to pass along this information. Much Appreciated !!
That certainly is a unique and well used paint booth. Also thanks for the info on your two airbrushes, I will have to check them out further.
Have a great day and thanks again !!
--Paul
The airbrush I use most often is cheap, but is the easiest to clean. That's why I use it most often :-) My Iwata airbrushes do a better job, but are much harder to clean.
I like your "toothpick board"!
dave
Quote from: PaulS on October 26, 2021, 05:48:39 AM
John, with all you have going, I really appreciate the time you took to pass along this information. Much Appreciated !!
That certainly is a unique and well used paint booth. Also thanks for the info on your two airbrushes, I will have to check them out further.
Have a great day and thanks again !!
--Paul
Paul
Your welcome, I will get to the paint mixing part as soon as I get to internet with enough bandwidth to post pictures.
Quote from: deemery on October 26, 2021, 11:48:08 AM
The airbrush I use most often is cheap, but is the easiest to clean. That's why I use it most often :-) My Iwata airbrushes do a better job, but are much harder to clean.
I like your "toothpick board"!
dave
Dave
This H series airbrush is the easiest to clean that I have ever owned. As for the toothpick boards - there like weights - I never seem to have enough of them. I made up a couple more just last week. The castings will stay on the toothpicks until the painting is complete and I'm ready to put then on the layout. I do store some finished castings but you need to make sure they don't get handled too much.
Hey John:
Nice paint booth. I will be following along.
Karl
John.
Wonderful and fantastic stuff here. I need to get off my a-- now!
Tom ;D
Quote from: postalkarl on October 27, 2021, 09:16:17 AM
Hey John:
Nice paint booth. I will be following along.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, at least it gets used. ;) ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 27, 2021, 05:00:48 PM
John.
Wonderful and fantastic stuff here. I need to get off my a-- now!
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for following along and the encouraging comments. It means a lot coming from a guy with lots of Wonderful and fantastic stuff on his build thread.
I'm painting today, I just stopped in while I take a little break. I should be able to continue the discussion painting this evening. I also have some great new 3-D printed castings to show you, that I just bought. The glue is drying on the tooth picks as I type this.
Now to get back to our discussion of my paint process with acrylic paints. The biggest issue that I had making the switch to acrylic paints in the airbrush was clogging. At first I would get one or two castings done (using the paint straight out of the bottle). I have now settled on a ratio of about 10 percent thinner and 6 - 8 drops of flow improver to a 20 ml paint jar. This thins the paint and slows down the drying and has all but eliminated the clogging problems for me. Here is a picture of the containers for the products I'm using. After sitting on the shelf for three days I did a test with this latest batch of castings and used the alcohol and soft acrylic chalk over the primer which I use on 90 % of my castings. The primer held and looked good. My goal is to have a good coat of primer for everything else to attach too but not to loose any of the wonderful details on these castings. So far I'm happy with the results.
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Here is a picture of the 5 different colors of primer that I'm using for my base coat.
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Here is a picture of the castings that made it through the paint booth, today.
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And here is a new batch of 3D printed castings from Sierra West that arrived, yesterday, getting prepared for painting. Brett is really taking "it's all about the details" to a new level with these new castings.
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John,
Thanks very much for the additional information and the products you are using.
Certainly looks like you had a large enough test sample there :)
Appreciate you taking the time to document and share your methods and approach with us here.
All the best and keep you the great work on the S&S, I'll be following along,
Be well,
--Paul
Quote from: PaulS on October 30, 2021, 07:07:13 AM
John,
Thanks very much for the additional information and the products you are using.
Certainly looks like you had a large enough test sample there :)
Appreciate you taking the time to document and share your methods and approach with us here.
All the best and keep you the great work on the S&S, I'll be following along,
Be well,
--Paul
Paul
No problem, this is what the forum is all about. I hope it helps. I have a lot of highly detailed scenes coming up and all of these castings will find a place on the layout. Let me know if you have any questions.
Couldn't agree more about the new Sierra West 3D prints!
Great to see more of your process, John. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Keep it Rusty on October 30, 2021, 12:24:06 PM
Couldn't agree more about the new Sierra West 3D prints!
Great to see more of your process, John. Thanks for sharing.
Craig
Thank you for stopping by, and yes Brett is doing some great work.
I finally got the primer coat on the latest batch of castings (approximately 1500 of them, I lost count). This is the castings for the next four kits that I plan to build plus many extra castings that I purchased separately. It is all about the details. The castings will be pulled from here to go to my detailing bench for final painting and weathering.
The area of the layout where I have them stored is going to be a small town serviced by both a Narrow gauge and standard gauge railroad. There will be a yard, and service facility for the Narrow Gauge and a transfer facility for the passenger and freight trains. In the background is a clay model that I made of the the area to help figure out what I wanted to do with the landforms.
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John.....
Pretty amazing ! ! ! !
Thanx
Bob
That is a lot of detail parts!
Quote from: bparrish on November 01, 2021, 12:19:08 PM
John.....
Pretty amazing ! ! ! !
Thanx
Bob
Hi Bob
Great to hear from you, thank you for following along. It's just the way I roll, as they say. My workbenches are all ready now for three more builds. I have a bunch of small builds planned on one workbench and two major builds scheduled for the other two workbenches. I need a number of small structures to complete the Eagles Nest Yard area of the layout. Small structures need lots of detail, too.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 01, 2021, 02:26:55 PM
That is a lot of detail parts!
Curt
Yes it is, but I'm always amazed at how fast the layout eats them up.
Today, I finally got back to building some structures. I guess technically I was working on some structures when I was painting the detail castings, but today walls started to get built. I thought I would do my traditional what's on my workbenches photographs to introduce my next builds.
First, the Sayles mill has been sitting for a few weeks while I was doing some scenery work in the Eagles Nest Yard and putting the primer on the big batch of detail castings. I will be completing the detail work on this build over the next few weeks.
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On my layout table I started adding the bracing to the walls of the Bar Mills F&SM Tribute kit number one. I will be building these structures separately and using them in more than one area on my layout.
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In the background of the above pictures you will see the brick walls have been through the paint booth for my third build project the O. V. Hooker SRMW kit. I will again be building the major structures for this kit separately and using them in different location on the layout. The main brick structure will find a home along the river near the Sayles Mill in Vansel.
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Finally, for tonight, my detailing workbench is currently covered with detail castings that are getting a final coat of paint and / or weathering. As soon as I get the castings I need for the four current builds finished, I will be building two FSM kits. The Icing platform and the John Allen water tower. Both of these structures are planned to find a home in the Eagles Nest Yard. The little gray trays you see on the workbench are the containers I use to store the finished castings. They lock into place in my workbench drawers to keep the castings from getting bounced around. There is a strip above each of my workbenches that the trays clip into when I'm working on a diorama. They also find there way to the layout when I'm doing the scenery and final detailing work.
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Everything looks great John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 02, 2021, 07:32:12 PM
Everything looks great John.
Curt
Thank you, trying to make a little progress every day.
Exciting times coming up, John!
But then it is always exciting around your place...
Looking forward to the Bar Mills tribute kit most. The structure to the far right is a favourite of mine. I have Master Creations 'Fanny Schwahns confectionary'. which half of has a very similar look.
Your organisational skills put me to shame!
Cheers, Mark.
Hey John:
think I built that one somewhere along the line. I'll be following along.
Karl
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on November 02, 2021, 10:37:19 PM
Exciting times coming up, John!
But then it is always exciting around your place...
Looking forward to the Bar Mills tribute kit most. The structure to the far right is a favourite of mine. I have Master Creations 'Fanny Schwahns confectionary'. which half of has a very similar look.
Your organisational skills put me to shame!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Yes, it is exciting times on the S&S RR. I really like to see the workbenches full of builds in progress. It's modeling season here on our side of the globe. I also like the unique look of structure on the right of the FSM tribute. I had it in mind to build one from my F&SM pictures but Bar Mills made the cutting much easier, so I bought the kit.
As for my organizational skills - I'm always looking for something? ::)
Thank you for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: postalkarl on November 03, 2021, 09:49:06 AM
Hey John:
think I built that one somewhere along the line. I'll be following along.
Karl
Karl
I'm sure you did - you have built a lot of structures over the years. I always enjoy and learn from your build threads.
I'm always impressed by your skill to build several kit in same time.
I will continue as usual to follow your progress.
Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on November 03, 2021, 04:55:17 PM
I'm always impressed by your skill to build several kit in same time.
I will continue as usual to follow your progress.
Eric
Eric
Thank you for following along and posting. As for building several kits at a time - I'm not trying to sell the technique - it's just the way I like to do it. I move from one workbench to another while I wait for paint or glue to dry. It really helps me from screwing something up because I didn't wait long enough.
It helps to have enough workbench space to devote to multiple projects.
(Me, I have 3 potential workspaces. 2 of them are usually full of stuff I dug out to work on the one project on the 3rd space :-) )
Seriously, if I was designing my shop again, I'd include more shelf/working space, although I'm not quite sure how I'd work that out.
dave
Quote from: deemery on November 03, 2021, 08:55:23 PM
It helps to have enough workbench space to devote to multiple projects.
(Me, I have 3 potential workspaces. 2 of them are usually full of stuff I dug out to work on the one project on the 3rd space :-) )
Seriously, if I was designing my shop again, I'd include more shelf/working space, although I'm not quite sure how I'd work that out.
dave
Dave
I can't tell you how many times I have designed and redesigned my shop area to make it more efficient. The key is to have your tools and supplies with in arms reach as your building. I need to have some doubles and triples of the tools you use everyday because of the multiple workbenches but it helps on those big projects to have clamps and weights on the other workbenches to call into service on the big projects. It also helps to have my big main workbench on wheels so I can move it closer to the stationary workbenches when needed. I have to be disciplined about storage on the workbenches. If I start loading one up with stuff it becomes useless. I try to make sure that only the parts for the current project are on each workbench and I make sure it is cleaned and everything is put away when a project is moved to the layout.
I made some progress, today, on finish detailing of the castings. The little gray bins are starting to refill.
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The walls are starting to go together on the F&SM Tribute structures. This is the first time I have seen pockets cut out with the laser for the rafter tails. I think I'm going to like that feature of this kit. ;)
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Late tonight, I was playing with the partially built structures to get an idea of possible locations and orientations for the buildings. The color choice may depend on the location. A few pictures of testing. Any recommendations?
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Looking good, John.
Cedar is my pick.
Cheers, Mark.
John, what a treat to see a line of classic craftsman kits, expertly built, all in one shot. Beautiful.
As to color, I would vote for either Olive or Driftwood. I'm thinking back to some of Lance Mindheim's writings where he talks about more subtle contrasts throughout a scene - trying to avoid too much of a rainbow effect. Feels like the Olive and Driftwood provide a nice, gentle contrast to G. Wilikers. Cedar might be too similar to the adjacent Swakhammers shop and the red might be a little too bright -- especially with a bright yellow Swakhammers to the left. (And, to a lesser extent, the pale yellow Tucker and Cook just off to the right.) I do love the red color, tho. I have a grain business build coming up sometime in my future. I might have to get a bottle for that.
That sure was a lot of opinion from a guy who hasn't done jack on his own scenery, yet, eh?
V
Quote from: S&S RR on November 03, 2021, 10:28:44 PM
The walls are starting to go together on the F&SM Tribute structures. This is the first time I have seen pockets cut out with the laser for the rafter tails. I think I'm going to like that feature of this kit. ;)
Yeah, that was quite a nice surprise when I built my first Bar Mills kit. The cut-out pockets combined with the laser-cut rafter "comb" really make doing the rafters a treat. Nice engineering.
Hey John:
Oh my what can I say but just gorgeous work. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
John..............
I think I have told you this before but here it is again............ If you are not careful you're going to have a real railroad on your hands.
This is very cool
Thanx
Bob
Quote from: postalkarl on November 04, 2021, 01:29:43 PM
Hey John:
Oh my what can I say but just gorgeous work. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, I keep working away at it.
Quote from: bparrish on November 04, 2021, 07:39:51 PM
John..............
I think I have told you this before but here it is again............ If you are not careful you're going to have a real railroad on your hands.
This is very cool
Thanx
Bob
Bob
Thank you for following along and the kind words. I'm having a lot of fun building this layout so we will see if I ever have a real railroad on my hands.
John....
Have you given any thought as to operations on the railroad?
It would be a great one..
see ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on November 06, 2021, 12:21:15 AM
John....
Have you given any thought as to operations on the railroad?
It would be a great one..
see ya
Bob
Bob
I do have a plan for starting operations sessions on the layout. I'm a few years out at this point because I always have a section of the layout under construction. After the completion of the next two major sections of the layout I will have designed in work arounds so operations can begin. I attend a local operations group and operate on friends layouts at this point. We are starting to have some shake down sessions on the S&S RR where we run multiple trains and locate where work needs to be done on the track work. My Grandkids are getting real good at that - Papa has three places where he needs to do some work before their next visit.
Update: My workbenches are slowly filling up with subassemblies. I'm putting the walls together before I paint them and add the window and door castings, for this group of builds. I want to figure out placement and color on the layout before I finish them. Once I get everything ready I will spend a couple days looking at different scenarios.
Update: The progress on the S&S RR is going to be mostly in the Research and Design phase the next couple of weeks. It's that time of the year when the leaves have to be mulched and everything needs winterization both at my cabin and at home. I also like to do some fishing this time of the year for steelhead trout. Unfortunately, the fishery is in trouble so I do a lot more fishing than catching these days. I have completed the detail painting on about half of the castings in that big batch I posted pictures of a couple weeks ago. It' a great evening at the cabin job.
I'm caught up , I think your lineup of the structures looks good, I'm not sure if your colour sample sticks were used for the setup but I can see how they would help. Your trees and backdrop are spot on.
By the way I like the idea of the grey bins for the castings.
Hey John:
Just beautiful as I said and you are quite welcome. What kit is that you are building.
Karl
Quote from: Lynnb on November 14, 2021, 02:06:21 PM
I'm caught up , I think your lineup of the structures looks good, I'm not sure if your colour sample sticks were used for the setup but I can see how they would help. Your trees and backdrop are spot on.
By the way I like the idea of the grey bins for the castings.
Lynn
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. The color sticks really help me with color choices.
Quote from: postalkarl on November 15, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Hey John:
Just beautiful as I said and you are quite welcome. What kit is that you are building.
Karl
Karl
I think you are referring to the BarMills FSM Tribute #1 kit, I also have Sayles Mill, the FSM Water Tank 240, and the Icing Platform FSM kit 210 on the workbench.
Update: It is officially modeling season. I returned, yesterday, from my hunting trip and there is modeling activity on my workbench. Let the fun begin. Updated build pictures, soon.
Hey John:
You are quite welcome.
Karl
More importantly, was the hunting trip successful?
We back onto crown property behind us and lots of friends ask if they can come through our place to get to the mountain. (the only way up there is through our place. All we ask is a 10% levy to use our gate! Just got a couple of Moose backstraps from a friend who got a moose earlier this week.
BTW, that is a whole lot of castings to paint!
Quote from: Rail and Tie on November 19, 2021, 01:25:49 PM
More importantly, was the hunting trip successful?
We back onto crown property behind us and lots of friends ask if they can come through our place to get to the mountain. (the only way up there is through our place. All we ask is a 10% levy to use our gate! Just got a couple of Moose backstraps from a friend who got a moose earlier this week.
BTW, that is a whole lot of castings to paint!
Darryl
Yes - the hunt was extremely successful. I got to spend some quality time with family and I also got a very large "for our area" white tail buck. Third largest lifetime, for me. The meat is going to go to a neighbor that watches my cabin for me. He can't go hunting this year because his wife needed surgery and he is now head nurse. Having a deer in the freezer is a big deal up there, especially with the prices of food going through the roof.
Yes - I do have a lot of castings to paint. ;)
Thank you for stopping by the thread.
Update: It's time for another round of what's on my workbench pictures.
More subassembly work for the Bar Mills F&SM Tribute #1 build.
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The canopy glue has been added to all the window castings for the current builds and they have been carefully stacked to dry.
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The brick wall castings have been painted and the chalk has been applied for the mortar lines on the SRMW O. V. Hooker & son build.
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The plan for tomorrow is to finish up with the subassemblies on the F&SM Tribute build and move it to the my assembly workbench. I will then add the windows to the brick wall castings for O. V. Hookers and start the assembly process on my layout workbench. I'm also working on the finish detailing of the Sayles Mill - I will take some progress photographs when I get a little farther along.
Looking good, John.
Nice washed out looking brickwork.
Cheers, Mark.
Very nice brick work John.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on November 21, 2021, 11:11:10 PM
Looking good, John.
Nice washed out looking brickwork.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you, something a little different on the brick work on this one.
John....
Pretty cool........
Thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on November 23, 2021, 01:20:06 PM
John....
Pretty cool........
Thanx
Bob
Thank you for stopping by, Bob. I have spent the last couple days painting detail castings. I'm about half way through the big batch that I had primed.
Hey John;
Looks just great so far. I'm following along.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on November 23, 2021, 05:42:50 PM
Hey John;
Looks just great so far. I'm following along.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for following along. I'm in the middle of a week long push to do the detail painting on all of those castings I primed a few weeks back. As soon as I get the detailing workbench cleared I will be moving forward with my builds.
Update: Lots of build activity on the S&S RR this week. Wayne Olson joined me, yesterday, for a work session. I will take another round of progress photographs this evening. I'm hoping to get the window castings into the brick walls for the Hooker's build and get the assembly process started, today.
John I see your off to another great start! Looking forward to seeing this one move along.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on November 28, 2021, 08:45:57 AM
John I see your off to another great start! Looking forward to seeing this one move along.
Jerry
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Jerry
Thank you for stopping by the build thread. Lots of in process builds laying all over my workbenches at the present time. I love it when the shop looks used
Update: I continue to work on painting the detail castings that I primed a few weeks ago. I'm also working on the brick walls for the Hooker's build. The F&SM Tribute 1 build is at the point where all of the subassemblies have been put together and I have to make decisions about location for the buildings and color for each. I should be to the point where some progress pictures are warranted in the next few days. The casting painting is taking a lot longer than I expected. That is a lot of castings.
Update: The walls are starting to go together on the Hooker's Build.
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I'm also using the subassemblies from the F&SM Tribute #1 kit to test different placement scenarios and color combinations before moving on with completing this kit.
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I really like the way this is coming out John.
Nice stacking layout of the buildings. Minimal blocking of the roundhouse scene to the rear.
Quote from: Dennis Bourey on December 02, 2021, 09:14:31 AM
I really like the way this is coming out John.
Dennis
Thank you, I really need to let these building locations sit for awhile and go back and take another look in a couple days. Then I will start getting the glue bottle out.
Quote from: Rail and Tie on December 02, 2021, 01:12:42 PM
Nice stacking layout of the buildings. Minimal blocking of the roundhouse scene to the rear.
Darryl
Thank you for the kind words. You are exactly right about one of my design criteria, I'm trying to make sure that each of the structures can be photographed without a view block. It takes some time but I'm getting there. The roads, fences and scenery will tie everything together.
Wow, haven't stopped by in a while. Life distractions.
Looking great John. Can't wait to see all when finished.
Bernd
Hey John:
The structures look great. Can't to see more.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on December 03, 2021, 11:17:34 AM
Hey John:
The structures look great. Can't to see more.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, more on the way, it's modeling season.
Update: I managed to get a little bench time in, today. I have most of the clapboard walls for Hooker's braced and under weights on my workbench. I forgot a picture. :-[ I also made the gaterboard baseboard for Hookers. Here is a picture of the location and the odd shaped baseboard. I have a very different plan for the structure that I'm still working on the details for. More on this later.
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The structure will be right along the Riverfront.
John,
Can see the modeling season is going on at top speed there in Michigan.
Keep sharing all your great builds in this thread. Can't wait to see what you do with Hooker's and the FSM tribute kits.
Stay Safe !!!
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on December 05, 2021, 02:28:08 PM
John,
Can see the modeling season is going on at top speed there in Michigan.
Keep sharing all your great builds in this thread. Can't wait to see what you do with Hooker's and the FSM tribute kits.
Stay Safe !!!
Tommy
Tommy
Thank you for stopping by the thread. I'm getting ramped up for some serious modeling this winter.
I started doing the dry fitting for the Hooker & son build. I will be renaming the structure and turning it into an apartment complex set along the river. Here are a couple pictures of the process on my workbench.
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The goal with this is to make sure the wall sections fit together properly and to establish the footprint on the baseboard. Once I'm satisfied with the placement I will get out the glue bottle. The baseboard is actually clamped with the first piece of strip wood that will serve as the foundation for the long deck that will extend along the river front.
That's a great kit...I know the first time I'd seen one in person was on a layout tour (some Expo, probably with you)...such a neat, distinctive building. Nice progress!
John
Hey John:L
Looking good so far. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Quote from: cuse on December 07, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
That's a great kit...I know the first time I'd seen one in person was on a layout tour (some Expo, probably with you)...such a neat, distinctive building. Nice progress!
John
John
Thank you for following along - it is a very unique structure that can be used for many purposes. To me it looks like it wants to be renovated into an apartment complex. We will see where this takes me.
Quote from: postalkarl on December 07, 2021, 05:00:59 PM
Hey John:L
Looking good so far. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, I hope to get the walls together in the next couple of days. My modeling time has been sporadic these days with Christmas coming. I have the Sayles Mill to finish detailing, so I have lots to keep me busy.
Update: I cut the gator board base board for the F&SM Tribute Kit #1 today.
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I also, after trying a dozen different layouts, chose the structure orientation that I'm going to use for the F&SM Tribute #1. I also picked the colors that I plan on using - this is real progress so I can get on with the builds. Here are a couple pictures of the structure orientation. This one just looks the best to me, from all angles.
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You will also notice in this last picture that the Ruggles Roof structure walls have been assembled and it's in a new proposed home on the layout.
Wonderful planning John. The layout is looking better all the time!
Jerry
Really like the structures to the right of the depot, John.
I'm not so sure about the one to the left? It maybe feels a bit too big and uniform in shape?
How will road transport service these structures?
Choosing colours can be a long battle.
Looking forward to your progress on this cool kit.
Cheers, Mark.
I believe you have found a winner.
Quote from: Jerry on December 09, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
Wonderful planning John. The layout is looking better all the time!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along and your encouraging words.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on December 09, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
Really like the structures to the right of the depot, John.
I'm not so sure about the one to the left? It maybe feels a bit too big and uniform in shape?
How will road transport service these structures?
Choosing colours can be a long battle.
Looking forward to your progress on this cool kit.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
The structures to the right of the depot are going in, I started staining them and have the locations all marked on the baseboard and ready for installation. I agree with you about the structure on the left, it is too big for the spot, I have already moved it to another spot over by my Isaac's Coal build. It will sit there for a few days before I make a final decision. As for the service road it will cross the tracks that service the depot and run along the tracks in the area where you see the raw benchwork in from of the depot. It will then cross the mainlines and connect with the road that makes its way back to the structures on the back of the layout. The road leaves the scene by winding its way in front of Isaac's coal and disappears as it goes under the trestle and back behind the mountain. I have some beautiful Dan Raymond built vehicles to finish the detailing the road.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on December 10, 2021, 08:19:40 AM
I believe you have found a winner.
Curt
Thank you - sometimes it takes a while.
John,
I love catching up on your progress. You are moving at a fast freight speed. Fantastic my friend.
I'm glad you moved the building on the left of the station, just didn't fit there.
Wonderful all the way my friend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on December 11, 2021, 05:56:55 PM
John,
I love catching up on your progress. You are moving at a fast freight speed. Fantastic my friend.
I'm glad you moved the building on the left of the station, just didn't fit there.
Wonderful all the way my friend.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I usually try structures in a number of places before I get out the glue bottle. I'm assembling another structure that I'm going to try in that location.
Awhile back someone asked me to post some pictures of my setups for cutting with my small table saw. I just completed a project where I made a wall out of some scraps of clapboard on my O. V. Hooker & Son build. So I took some pictures of the process to show how I used the table saw to create the pieces for the wall buildup. . Here is a picture of the kit so you can understand the need for the wall. The structure is designed with a clapboard addition to the original brick structure. For my location on the layout I'm not going to use this addition but plan to use it in another area of the layout. The wall that goes up against the brick part of the structure was cut from cardboard for the kit so I need to replace it with a clapboard wall for my application.
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The clapboard walls are laser cut and there was enough scrap clapboard to construct the wall if I was creative with the cutting of the pieces and cuts with the table saw. George Sellios used this technique to construct his FSM kits back in the days before laser cutting. Here are a few pictures that describe the buildup. I was also able to use the wall from the main structure that was not needed because I am building my structure in the hillside. I used the cardboard wall that Bob supplied in the kit as a template.
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As you can see from the pictures above there were a number of angle cuts that needed to be made on very small pieces. I want to keep my fingers so I don't get them that close to the saw blade. Here is a few pictures of my table saw setup with a standard sled to hold the wood while it is cut.
1) Place the workpiece aligned with the saw blade right where you want to cut it.
2) tape it down - without moving it. ;)
3) run the sled though the table saw to cut the workpiece
4) remove the tape.
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For small pieces like this I simply tape the work down to the sled. The tape not only holds the workpiece but also helps prevent splinters as you cut the wood.
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I hope this helps and is what you where looking for.
Here are some pictures of the finished wall going into the assembly.
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I love the cross-cut sled for the Micro-Mark/Proxxon table saw. I added the wood pieces to either side of the exit notch, to remind my fingers to stay away from there. At least once it saved my fingers, when I was concentrating on lining something up and started to place my fingers where the blade would cut them :P
dave
Quote from: deemery on December 14, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
I love the cross-cut sled for the Micro-Mark/Proxxon table saw. I added the wood pieces to either side of the exit notch, to remind my fingers to stay away from there. At least once it saved my fingers, when I was concentrating on lining something up and started to place my fingers where the blade would cut them :P
dave
Dave
Good idea - you do need to keep your head in the game around these machines. I made a mark with a red sharpe to remind me where the blade was. The Micro Mart sled works fine and saved me the time of constructing one myself. The key is getting everything aligned properly so it doesn't bind. It also works real well for cutting a number of pieces of strip wood to the same size all at once. I'll post some pictures next time I setup for that.
Here is a test location for the clapboard portion of O.V. Hooker & son on the layout.
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I also made some progress on the main brick structure for the O.V. Hooker build. The brick walls are together and mounted on the baseboard. I also installed some interior LED lighting. This build will be a ways back on the layout so no interior detail to light this time. I just wanted to have light coming through the windows for night photographs. I mounted three peel and stick LED's inside which will give me flexibility with light levels and spares just in case. The final picture with the light up test is with only one of the LED's turn on.
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Wire channel cut in the waterboard underneath. All the wires will go through the same hole in the plywood benchwork.
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Light up test
Great lighting.
Looking good, John.
The lighting looks great.
I like the new building to the left much better. However - might I suggest that you carefully consider any building to the left of the station against 'nothing'? Its hard to tell from photos, but I have a feeling that anything bigger than a tiny shed might take more away from the scene (especially the station) than it might add.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on December 14, 2021, 07:35:48 PM
Great lighting.
Curt
Thank you, I have a little gap at the roof line to fix. It looks like the resin casting warped a few thousands of an inch. A little glue and some more weights on top while it dries.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on December 14, 2021, 11:03:18 PM
Looking good, John.
The lighting looks great.
I like the new building to the left much better. However - might I suggest that you carefully consider any building to the left of the station against 'nothing'? Its hard to tell from photos, but I have a feeling that anything bigger than a tiny shed might take more away from the scene (especially the station) than it might add.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for your suggestions on the structure. I like it from one view but it does too much blocking from the other two directions. I have a couple small structures including a smaller Water Tower that I want to try in that area before going with some weeds and grass. This is one of the fun parts of the hobby. I need to get he Ice facility that will go behind the station in place before making this decision.
I got out the big weight to get rid of the small gap between my roof casting and the brick walls at the top. Seem to be doing the trick.
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Looking good, John.
I can imaging the water tower working quite well...
Cheers, Mark.
Hey John:
That's coming along just beautifully so far.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on December 16, 2021, 04:57:44 PM
Hey John:
That's coming along just beautifully so far.
Karl
Karl
Thank you,
Update: I spent the day doing track maintenance on the layout. I had a repair list from our last OPS session plus the short I have been chasing in the Superior Yard. I may have made some progress on the short - I found a pair of lead wires that were attached to the wrong main wires leading back to the control panel. Time will tell if this was the only problem. Two days of crawling around under the layout has reminded me I'm not as young as when I started this layout. ;)
Well the short that I thought was fixed isn't. For some reason when I enter the reversing block at the entrance to Superior Yard it sometimes shorts out the entire power district. I think I have an issue with the board for the power district or the board controlling the reversing block. I have a lot of testing to do to figure this one out. Intermittent electrical problems are the worst.
Fun statistic on the S&S RR build thread. On December 20th, the build thread on this forum began its ninth year. I added up the views for the 4 volumes of the build thread and it's over 1 million. I find it amazing for a model railroad thread. As most of you know I started the build thread on "the old forum" about 10 years ago.
Quote from: S&S RR on December 21, 2021, 08:06:43 PM
...I have a lot of testing to do to figure this one out. Intermittent electrical problems are the worst.
There's a technical term for those, "heisenbug" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug And they ARE THE WORST because you can't reliably trigger them to figure out what's going on....
dave
Quote from: deemery on December 22, 2021, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 21, 2021, 08:06:43 PM
...I have a lot of testing to do to figure this one out. Intermittent electrical problems are the worst.
There's a technical term for those, "heisenbug" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug) And they ARE THE WORST because you can't reliably trigger them to figure out what's going on....
dave
Dave your term is perfect for what I'm dealing with. My current theory for my "probe affect" is that the frog juicers are creating a short on occasion that is long enough to panic the block protection. Digging into the systems at the level required to change delay timing etc is not a place a really want to go but it looks like it will be necessary.
John.....
Great stats on the nature of the forum...... Thanx for all of your efforts in the hobby.
I really like the coal soot weathering on this building also.
Again............ thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on December 22, 2021, 12:25:44 PM
John.....
Great stats on the nature of the forum...... Thanx for all of your efforts in the hobby.
I really like the coal soot weathering on this building also.
Again............ thanx
Bob
Bob
Thank you for the kind words and for following along. I think next year some time I will start a finished area pictures thread to complement the build thread. I should have enough areas in the finished state, if that exists on a model railroad, to give the thread a good starting point.
Hey John:
You are quite welcome. Thant's going to be A beautiful scene.
Karl
Update: I'm getting some running time in on the layout over the holidays. The layout is running well with the exception of two blocks where I have frog juicers next to reversing loops. I need to get that issue figured out in the new year. Some how the reversing circuits are shutting down the complete power district every once in a while.
Update: I have been away from modeling for a couple weeks spending time with my family for the holidays - I did spend a number of hours running trains with the Grandkids. We had the whole family together and we had a great time. I will be getting back at the modeling tomorrow with lots of new ideas and projects. Oh and I will be starting my challenge builds for 2022 - I'm going to create the build threads and will post a link here. This years builds will be two FSM kits. The stone water tower and the icing facility. Both of these builds will find a home in the Eagles Nest Yard.
John,
Family time and Holiday time is the absolute best way to spend time this time of year. Enjoy the grandchildren. For you the time will fly, our grandson will be 21 this March.
Looking forward to more of your wonderful S&S RR and the upcoming FSM kits.
Happy New Year my friend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 01, 2022, 05:23:20 PM
John,
Family time and Holiday time is the absolute best way to spend time this time of year. Enjoy the grandchildren. For you the time will fly, our grandson will be 21 this March.
Looking forward to more of your wonderful S&S RR and the upcoming FSM kits.
Happy New Year my friend.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you stopping by and the kind words, my friend. Yes, the family time is the most important of all.
I started the build threads for my two 2022 Build Challenge builds this evening.
The first is the FSM Kit Number 210 - Icing Platform.
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=6186.msg169260;topicseen#new (http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=6186.msg169260;topicseen#new)
The second is the FSM Kit Number 240 - The Branchline Water Tank.
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=6187.new#new (http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=6187.new#new)
In addition to these new builds I will be continuing with builds currently on my workbench and posting progress pictures on this thread.
Today, I added the deck that runs along the river to the Hooker & Son build.
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Great looking deck John. What size boards did you use for the planking?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 05, 2022, 08:49:33 AM
Great looking deck John. What size boards did you use for the planking?
Curt
Thank you for the kind words - the strip wood was 2x8 HO scale.
I mixed in some wider boards on some of the last loading docks I did. That added a bit more variety to the dock.
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 05, 2022, 03:17:07 PM
I mixed in some wider boards on some of the last loading docks I did. That added a bit more variety to the dock.
dave
Dave
That's a good idea, especially on a larger dock. I didn't get to crazy with the details on this one because it's going to be 4 feet from the viewer once it's on the layout. I did add the nail heads, the forum members and I will know I did it. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Wow - I think I'll hit the top surface with another shot of A&I I Zoomed in on the picture and the nail heads are barely visible. You can see them better before I stained it. I can't let that work go to waste. ;) This strip wood is some I had left over from my trestle project that I cut myself. It takes the stain a little different than the commercial cut strip wood in my stash.
Update: Remember that huge batch of detail casting that went through my paint booth for priming a few weeks ago? Well, I finished painting the last one, today. Tomorrow, they will be packed away in my finished castings drawers waiting for their turn to be placed on the layout. I will not be taking on such a big batch again, enough said.
Today, I got back on the Sayles Mill build. It's time to get this one off the workbench and on to the layout. There is a lot of detail work still to be completed. I started with the assembly of the winch that lifts the spill gates for the backwaters. I'm going to assemble it in place and then paint it the final machine gray.
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Quote from: S&S RR on January 06, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
... I started with the assembly of the wench
...
Ah, those wenches on the layout! :D
Seriously, the SRMW gates are great.
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 07, 2022, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on January 06, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
... I started with the assembly of the wench
...
Ah, those wenches on the layout! :D
Seriously, the SRMW gates are great.
dave
Dave thank you for the spell checker - checking. winch became wench opps - I need to save those for the waterfront scene.
I double-dog-dare you to put a wench cranking the winch!
Add: If someone complains, you can blame the spell-checker.
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 07, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
I double-dog-dare you to put a wench cranking the winch!
dave
;) ;D ;D ;D
I had to develop some watchmaker skills to get the winch together for the Sayles Mill Build. Getting the holes in the gears that where the right size for the shaft proved challenging. In the end I persevered and everything went together.
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hey John:
you building looks just beautiful and great job on the winch.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on January 09, 2022, 03:36:00 AM
hey John:
you building looks just beautiful and great job on the winch.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, I will be adding a few details a day until this one is ready for the layout. As usual, I will post a progress picture every few days.
Precision work pays off once again. Beautiful!
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on January 09, 2022, 11:37:06 AM
Precision work pays off once again. Beautiful!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the kind words. Somehow I managed to get five builds going at the same time. ;) A little progress on each of them every day until they are all planted on the layout. It's modeling season after all.
Another addition going on the Sayles Mill, today.
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hey john:
Looking just beautiful.
Karl
Wow ! John..............
A fully framed joist roof............. I am impressed. No card stock for you. I've gotten to where I can throw up a framed roof in about an hour. I'll never go back to card stock................
I long ago lost the argument with some of my "friends" that, "but you can't see it!" Yeah, but I know it's there.
Thanx for a great build.
se ya
Bob
Quote from: postalkarl on January 10, 2022, 02:49:33 PM
hey john:
Looking just beautiful.
Karl
Karl
Thank you my friend.
Quote from: bparrish on January 10, 2022, 05:15:30 PM
Wow ! John..............
A fully framed joist roof............. I am impressed. No card stock for you. I've gotten to where I can throw up a framed roof in about an hour. I'll never go back to card stock................
I long ago lost the argument with some of my "friends" that, "but you can't see it!" Yeah, but I know it's there.
Thanx for a great build.
se ya
Bob
Bob
Thank you for noticing. ;) Actually, when the tar paper goes on this portion of the roof there is going to be some areas where the wind has had its way with it and the roof boards are going to show. Another little detail to make the build more interesting. I agree with you that it's easier and looks nicer, to me, if you use roof boards rather than card stock on roofs. Especially when you use rolled roofing where the boards tend to show through just a bit, a little bit of dry brushing enhances this affect.
A few progress photographs so those that read the forum will know that the roof rafter detail is there. ;)
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Everything got a coat of stain just before I quit for the day. The stain is still wet in these photographs. Now when I add the tar paper roof complete with wind damage the roof boards will look like they have seen some weather.
Looking good, John.
It is this elevation of this SRM kit which started my love affair with their kits. So many different angles and changes of mediums... Bob sure is missed in the kit making world.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 10, 2022, 08:46:25 PM
Looking good, John.
It is this elevation of this SRM kit which started my love affair with their kits. So many different angles and changes of mediums... Bob sure is missed in the kit making world.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you, I agree - Bob's contributions to the kit making world are definitely missed. I really miss the days when there were three or four major kit introductions every year.
Is there anyone making HO Craftsman kits in your part of the world?
Top notch modeling with that roof John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 11, 2022, 08:58:27 AM
Top notch modeling with that roof John.
Craig
Thank you for the kind words. I'm putting the tar paper on it this morning.
Hey JJohn:
It's coming along q
Hey John:
It's coming along quite nicely. Keep the pic flowing. Not sure what happened above.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on January 11, 2022, 11:33:54 AM
Hey John:
It's coming along quite nicely. Keep the pic flowing. Not sure what happened above.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, and there are no deductions for typing errors on the forum. ;)
I made some progress on a couple other projects, today.
The Hooker & Son build got a new sun porch on the upper level.
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The Sayles Mill got a tar paper roof on the new addition. And all the tar paper roof sections on this build got a coating of soft pastel chalk. In this first picture you can see how the color of the black construction paper I'm using for my tar paper roofs fades as it is exposed to light. It happens within weeks. It eventually fades to a light gray color and the roof ends up the color of the chalk that I use. I would prefer to have it stay the color I bought and change it with the chalk having the darker color show through the chalk. Does anyone know of a source for construction paper that does not fade?
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The final step completed for the day on the Sayles Mill was to start adding the dirt and scenery materials.
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I also got started with the window castings on the FSM Tribute kit. Lots of activity on the workbenches, today.
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The building is just sitting on the foundation castings - not glued down yet. Looking at this picture it looks like I will need to add some dark view blocks inside this structure so I can light it up for night scenes.
Nice detailing to that tar paper roof John , such a large layout with so many structures yet so many details , great stuff.
It's "The Thrilla of Manilla" on John's workbench... :-)
dave
Excellent build. The sun porch is a really nice touch.
John,
More great work being accomplished on the S&S !!
As for your question on the construction paper, you can look for acid-free, lignin free, and stable construction paper at art supply stores. All paper will eventually fade from sunlight but these will tend to fade less and more slowly ...
Keep up the great work !!
--Paul
John,
I never get tired of looking at your volumes. I especially like looking at all the gizmos that you have on your workbench. Keep up all the good work
John
Quote from: Janbouli on January 12, 2022, 03:29:34 AM
Nice detailing to that tar paper roof John , such a large layout with so many structures yet so many details , great stuff.
Jan
Thank you so much for the kind words and for following along.
Quote from: deemery on January 12, 2022, 07:22:40 AM
It's "The Thrilla of Manilla" on John's workbench... :-)
dave
Dave
Yes it is. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 12, 2022, 08:21:55 AM
Excellent build. The sun porch is a really nice touch.
Curt
Thank you - it was a challenging thing to put together - lots of pieces and angles to deal with.
Quote from: PaulS on January 12, 2022, 08:44:19 AM
John,
More great work being accomplished on the S&S !!
As for your question on the construction paper, you can look for acid-free, lignin free, and stable construction paper at art supply stores. All paper will eventually fade from sunlight but these will tend to fade less and more slowly ...
Keep up the great work !!
--Paul
Paul
Thank you for the kind words and for following along. Also thank you for the tip on the construction paper - time to get the Dick Blick catalog out. Every time I do that it seems to get very expensive. ;) :-[
Quote from: John B on January 12, 2022, 10:01:19 AM
John,
I never get tired of looking at your volumes. I especially like looking at all the gizmos that you have on your workbench. Keep up all the good work
John
John
Thank you for the encouraging words and yes I'm guilty of being a tool junky. It is very rare that I buy a tool that doesn't get used - the biggest problem is finding them when I need them.
hey John:
Looks great. Love the Sal Manila Egg Wholesaler sign. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on January 13, 2022, 05:20:38 AM
hey John:
Looks great. Love the Sal Manila Egg Wholesaler sign. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the encouraging words.
I started putting the roof on the Hooker & Son building, yesterday. This is not your everyday roof. I think it's the most complicated roof I have ever run across. Here is how Bob describes it in the instructions.
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I took pictures of the instruction pages on this one so I could study them on my iPad while I was on the treadmill. Multitasking - I often look ahead at build instructions while I'm on the treadmill to make better use of the time.
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Here are a few progress pictures of the installation of the roof. I added a couple wood braces to supplement the cardboard bracing that Bob provided in the kit.
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A few scraps out of the bass wood supply and a couple angle cuts. Now the roof isn't going to warp.
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I added a brace in both ends of the roof.
Now for all the dormers. I have a whole tray full of pieces.
The one 'trick' I've learned about doing complex roofs is to construct my own templates. (80 lb cardstock from Office Depot works great for this.) You can start by scanning the kit templates, printing them onto the cardstock, and test-fitting the cardstock before cutting the kit roof. And if necessary, you can then reproduce the template using a drawing program (I've been known to use PowerPoint for that :-( ) and adjust the drawing as necessary until the cut-out roof template is correct.
dave
Love that sentence in the instructions. Good luck John.
Quote from: deemery on January 13, 2022, 11:18:11 AM
The one 'trick' I've learned about doing complex roofs is to construct my own templates. (80 lb cardstock from Office Depot works great for this.) You can start by scanning the kit templates, printing them onto the cardstock, and test-fitting the cardstock before cutting the kit roof. And if necessary, you can then reproduce the template using a drawing program (I've been known to use PowerPoint for that :-( ) and adjust the drawing as necessary until the cut-out roof template is correct.
dave
Dave
I have been adding lots of wood bracing to the roof cards that are provided by the kit. It wouldn't hurt to have some extra thickness to the card stock - sure is the way to go with any scratch builds.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 13, 2022, 11:56:45 AM
Love that sentence in the instructions. Good luck John.
Bob wasn't kidding on this one. I spent most of the day figuring it out - making progress.
Tonight, a few progress pictures on the roof for Hooker & Son. It took some creativity to find ways of holding the pieces of this roof together while the glue dried.
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Four more dormers to add and then some trimming and hole filling before I move on to the tile roof.
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What a special building with those dormers , you're doing a great job John .
Quote from: Janbouli on January 14, 2022, 03:22:37 AM
What a special building with those dormers , you're doing a great job John .
Jan
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the encouraging words. I will have a few hours in applying the tile roof, but I think it is going to be worth it. It is amazing how many pieces there are to this roof.
that looks great John...I've never even imagined that kit anything but red. Really cool!
John
Quote from: cuse on January 14, 2022, 12:06:06 PM
that looks great John...I've never even imagined that kit anything but red. Really cool!
John
John
Thank you for the encouraging words - After deciding that the colors that Bob chose for the prototype of the kit just would not work on my layout in the location I had in mind, it took a lot of work to change the colors. Wayne Olson and I spent a couple hours one Saturday looking at all the test pieces I had made trying to decide on a color scheme and this is what we decided on. I think it is going to work real well in the location. I'm also excited about how it will fit in to the layout location repurposed as an apartment building.
On my way to finishing up the last four dormers on the roof for Hooker & Son I discovered I only had three of the four roof castings that go over the dormers. After spending a half an hour searching on top of and underneath workbenches I decided to make one out of bass wood. It took about 10 minutes. The follow photographs describe the process. This is probably how Bob made the prototype for his mold.
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Ready to go on the model as soon as the paint dries.
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Here is a picture of the dormers going on the model. I really love the bench cookies for setups - they stay where you put them.
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This is where the roof was at when I quit for the night. A little cutting and hole filling and it will be time to start adding the tile roofing.
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Good recovery John , of course you found it the moment you finished the replacement ;)
Quote from: Janbouli on January 15, 2022, 01:17:29 PM
Good recovery John , of course you found it the moment you finished the replacement ;)
Jan
I expect to find it now that the replacement is on the model but so far it hasn't shown up. I have four check marks from when I inventoried the kit parts, so I lost it some where in this shop. It's probably on the floor behind something.
Looking good, John.
It sure is an unusual roof design.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 15, 2022, 01:44:16 PM
Looking good, John.
It sure is an unusual roof design.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Yes it is - I'll have a few hours in applying the slate tiles. Lots of cutting and fitting.
I took this picture this morning as I started adding the vent castings to the Sayles Mill. That is a lot of castings on that tray. I'm not sure that I will use all of them.
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hey John:
Model looks just great. Keep the pics flowing.
Karl
Great looking build and great recovery.
Karl and Curt
Thank you for the encouraging words. I made more progress today - it will be a few days before enough progress is made to warrant more progress pictures. I did take a picture of the way I'm clamping the vents on the Sayles mill to allow the glue to dry. Lots of opportunities to use the tools. ;) How many clamps does it take to clamp a clamp in place.
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It looks like the pigeons have already found the structure.
I walked around to each workbench and took a picture at the end of the day, today, for my update.
The vent installation and detail castings are in progress on the Sayles Mill.
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I'm adding shingles to the roof on my Water Tank Challenge build - see build thread for details.
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Window castings and door castings are going into the structures for the FSM Tribute 1 build.
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I'm busy with the markers coloring the tiles for the roof on the Hooker & Son build.
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Hey John:
Both kits look just great.
Karl
Everything looks great. I don't know how you keep track of it all.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 17, 2022, 08:57:45 AM
Everything looks great. I don't know how you keep track of it all.
Curt
Thank you for the kind words - I'm not sure that I do keep track of it all.
Update: I'm continuing to make progress on the projects on my workbenches. Here is a few progress pictures from the end of the day, today.
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Just plain WOW...........
thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on January 20, 2022, 09:51:44 PM
Just plain WOW...........
thanx
Bob
Bob
Thank you, it's all about the details.
I'll second Bob's Wow. I have trouble keeping track of two builds at a time (so I try to avoid it).
Jeff
John,
Fantastic modeling as always ...
And I'll echo Jeff's comment, always amazed at how you plan and execute (juggle) multiple projects seamlessly !!
Great stuff and love how your rendition of Sayles Mill is coming along, splendid !
All the best,
--paul
Looking good, John.
The mill, in particular, is looking great. Those colours all blend together superbly. It really is a fascinating complex.
Attached is an image of a fly rafter diagram. Sometimes in yours (and in many, many others work) I keep seeing fly rafters attached to the side of the cladding. The gable wall to which this cladding is attached supports the roof here, so the rafters against the cladding are redundant - nothing more than an expensive piece of trim. When there is a very narrow overhang (6 inches) the purlins can support this roof overhang without extra support and without the roof noticeably sagging. More than this and a fly rafter is needed. The diagram shows how we always built these fly rafters. You can see that the gable wall is kept the thickness of the rafter lower than the other trusses and outriggers run from the first truss in, across the gable wall, and out to the fly rafter. Purlins are then attached above these forming an L-girder. Dwangs (nogs) are installed between the outriggers down the rake of the gable wall to stop twisting and to add strength (we dwanged all the way down - they only show the top area dwanged here). A short rafter is added over the bottom of the gable wall running in line with it to give fixing for the bottom purlin at this point.
This is a comment I have thought about posting in many places many, many times. I think this is no doubt one of many mistakes we make as modelers by copying other modelers work rather than the prototype. Its a compounding problem. I think maybe some manufacturers are producing models with instructions telling people to do it this way - which if this is the case, would certainly add to the problem. I have looked up Campbell plans and as expected, these are done correctly.
I hope this is taken as a future improvement rather than a criticism. As I said, it is something I see over and over again.
Cheers, Mark.
Hey John:
All of those structures look just beautiful.
Karl
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on January 21, 2022, 11:00:04 AM
I'll second Bob's Wow. I have trouble keeping track of two builds at a time (so I try to avoid it).
Jeff
Jeff
Thank you for following along and the kind comments. I may have posted this before but the reason I always have many builds going at once is because this is the way I was programed through my 38 year work career. I was responsible for the tooling for car programs and there were over 400 dies being built for one car at any give point in time. So I spent my day going from job to job checking status, solving problems, and feeding back design changes to the product engineers. So now in my second career, building a railroad, I move between four workbenches. Today, I was adding roof tiles on the Hooker & son build, adding scenery and details castings to the Sayles build, adding window castings on the FSM Tribute, and final details were being added to the FSM Water Tower. I work on one structure at a time until on need to let it rest, because I'm bored with doing the same task for hour, or I need to let glue or paint dry to keep from messing something up. Short answer it's the way I roll.
Quote from: PaulS on January 21, 2022, 11:03:47 AM
John,
Fantastic modeling as always ...
And I'll echo Jeff's comment, always amazed at how you plan and execute (juggle) multiple projects seamlessly !!
Great stuff and love how your rendition of Sayles Mill is coming along, splendid !
All the best,
--paul
Paul
Thank you for your encouraging words. See my response to Jeff's post above for my explanation of why I build multiple projects at one time. I would add that I think working this way helps build better models because I'm not tempted to glue to many sticks together without waiting for the glue to dry. Pushing it on one model has lead to my biggest do over disasters. :-[
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 21, 2022, 03:21:13 PM
Looking good, John.
The mill, in particular, is looking great. Those colours all blend together superbly. It really is a fascinating complex.
Attached is an image of a fly rafter diagram. Sometimes in yours (and in many, many others work) I keep seeing fly rafters attached to the side of the cladding. The gable wall to which this cladding is attached supports the roof here, so the rafters against the cladding are redundant - nothing more than an expensive piece of trim. When there is a very narrow overhang (6 inches) the purlins can support this roof overhang without extra support and without the roof noticeably sagging. More than this and a fly rafter is needed. The diagram shows how we always built these fly rafters. You can see that the gable wall is kept the thickness of the rafter lower than the other trusses and outriggers run from the first truss in, across the gable wall, and out to the fly rafter. Purlins are then attached above these forming an L-girder. Dwangs (nogs) are installed between the outriggers down the rake of the gable wall to stop twisting and to add strength (we dwanged all the way down - they only show the top area dwanged here). A short rafter is added over the bottom of the gable wall running in line with it to give fixing for the bottom purlin at this point.
This is a comment I have thought about posting in many places many, many times. I think this is no doubt one of many mistakes we make as modelers by copying other modelers work rather than the prototype. Its a compounding problem. I think maybe some manufacturers are producing models with instructions telling people to do it this way - which if this is the case, would certainly add to the problem. I have looked up Campbell plans and as expected, these are done correctly.
I hope this is taken as a future improvement rather than a criticism. As I said, it is something I see over and over again.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the encouraging words and the comments on the fly rafters. I can't speak for all but the reason you will see the rafter against the cladding on my models is that it is serving as a molding. I glue it against the roof card and it blocks the light from the interior between the roof card and the cladding. Most of my structures these days have interior lighting and nothing spoils a night photograph more than light squirting out between the cladding and the roof card. I think for future builds it should be a molding and not extend beyond the cladding so it looks like a rafter tail. It's all about the details.
Thank you for the observation.
Makes perfect sense, John.
You could run a piece of 2x2 or similar to block the light, add rafter tails in line with the gable wall and fly rafters at the edge of the roof line. Done.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 22, 2022, 10:25:52 PM
Makes perfect sense, John.
You could run a piece of 2x2 or similar to block the light, add rafter tails in line with the gable wall and fly rafters at the edge of the roof line. Done.
Cheers, Mark.
Yup, all future builds will be done that way. Construction experience is very helpful in our hobby. My problem with most models is that rafter tails are very rare in my experience. Most of the time they are boxed in on structures that I have built. They are sure a nice looking detail on a model. I need to be careful here or we are going to start the nail head conversation, again. ;) :D
I completed my FSM Water Tower build challenge, today. Here is a picture of the build on the layout in the approximate location where I plan to use it. I will be starting the FSM Icing Platform (another build challenge build) in a couple days. First I need to clean up my detail workbench, I have scraps laying around from the last three builds and its time.
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Wow John;
What a fantastic job. The tower came out amazing. Thanks for describing methods used, very helpful.
Jim D
Nice Work John!
Excellent modeling John.
Quote from: Jim Donovan on January 23, 2022, 08:30:53 PM
Wow John;
What a fantastic job. The tower came out amazing. Thanks for describing methods used, very helpful.
Jim D
Jim
Thank you for the kind words, and you are welcome with the build thread. I'm sure glad Dan gets us motivated to do some build threads every year.
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on January 23, 2022, 09:03:54 PM
Nice Work John!
Bruce
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 24, 2022, 08:20:50 AM
Excellent modeling John.
Curt
Thank you for the encouraging words. I will be starting my second challenge build in a couple days.
Look quick! My detail workbench is clean. It has been awhile since that has happened. I found pieces and scraps from three builds while I was cleaning up. Now, it is on to the FSM Ice Platform build challenge build. Here is the thread if you want to follow along.
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=6186.0
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Update: My detail workbench is no longer clean, I'm well into the Ice Platform build (see the build thread). The roof is coming along on the Hooker and Son build - I can't believe how many hours I have into this roof. It seems that every strip of tile has to be cut on both ends. The front is complete and I'm working my way up the back.
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We had a short discussion about keeping multiple builds going at once and organization. I thought I would post this picture of a markup I quickly did on my iPad. I use this a lot to take build notes. In this case I need to make some special signs for one of the structures in the FSM Tribute build - I wrote down the maximum dimensions for the signs on a picture of the building. I will reference this diagram when I make the signs on my computer. I do sketches of building additions and/or changes the same way with the magic pencil on a picture for reference. Yes - print of the picture and a pencil would do the job just fine - but I would spend most of my time looking for the piece of paper. ;)
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Note: The structure in the picture above is just sitting on the foundation - it has not been located properly or glued and therefor looks like a very bad fit.
This evening, I finally finished the tile roof on the Hooker & Son build. I have a lot of hours in this one. I took these pictures to inspect the roof and see if I want to make any changes and I thought I would share them.
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Beautiful roof.
I bet its nice to get that job out of the way! Well done, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 27, 2022, 10:04:04 AM
Beautiful roof.
Curt
Thank you, a little chalk in the final detail stage, a few detail castings, and I think the roof is complete.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 27, 2022, 02:05:09 PM
I bet its nice to get that job out of the way! Well done, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you, and yes I'm ready to move on to the next step with this build. ;) First, I had a lot of little trimmings that need to be vacuumed up. I should have taken a picture - too late now.
John - The Hooker and Son building is marvelous! I guess you have lots of time to do tedious work like that - being snowed in and all. I would have looked at the roof and said "not for me." It will look great when finally installed on your empire. Keep 'em coming!
Quote from: Judge on January 29, 2022, 06:51:38 AM
John - The Hooker and Son building is marvelous! I guess you have lots of time to do tedious work like that - being snowed in and all. I would have looked at the roof and said "not for me." It will look great when finally installed on your empire. Keep 'em coming!
Bill
Thank you for the encouraging words - let just say that the roof on Hooker and Son was the most complex I have run across. I like it now that it is done. ;)
I'll be adding the back porches to the build, today.
John, just a beautiful job on that roof !!
I had the opportunity and pleasure to visit with Bob Van Gelder earlier this week. He is doing well and loves seeing others creativity on his structures and kits. He noted that roof on the Hooker & Son building was his most challenging to design and create. You have certainly done this justice !!
Keep up the wonderful work and I'll be following along,
--Paul
Quote from: PaulS on January 29, 2022, 10:12:26 AM
John, just a beautiful job on that roof !!
I had the opportunity and pleasure to visit with Bob Van Gelder earlier this week. He is doing well and loves seeing others creativity on his structures and kits. He noted that roof on the Hooker & Son building was his most challenging to design and create. You have certainly done this justice !!
Keep up the wonderful work and I'll be following along,
--Paul
Paul
Thank you for your kind words. It is great to hear that Bob is doing well. Since I'm building this as an apartment complex I completed the roof with all tile instead of the tar paper that Bob used on some of the dormers.
I have had the pleasure of meeting Bob a few times and also got to see his shop and wonderful layout. At the time I visited he had the Sayles Mill stored away under the layout and we managed to get it out and photograph it. I used those reference photographs to build my version which is currently finished on my workbench, as of this afternoon. I plan on posting the final bench pictures of the Sayles Mill later this evening.
I have gone as far as I can go with the Sayles Mill build on my workbench. Today, I put the final touches on and after the glue and paint have overnight to dry I will be moving it to the layout for the finial detailing. Here is a picture of the build sitting on my workbench. The paper you see attached to the front of the base will go over a foam landform on the layout and be covered with scenery materials. The water will be added in the lower river bed on the layout as part of the river pour.
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Beautiful build John. Really top notch. I love how you simulated the moving water.
John,
Your SRMW Sayles Mill diorama came out really nice !!!
Thanks for sharing...
Tommy
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 30, 2022, 08:29:13 AM
Beautiful build John. Really top notch. I love how you simulated the moving water.
Thank you, I have some more detailing to do but I want to see it in location. The white doors on the tower need to be toned down but I have to see it in place under the layout lights to tell how much.
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on January 30, 2022, 01:00:38 PM
John,
Your SRMW Sayles Mill diorama came out really nice !!!
Thanks for sharing...
Tommy
Thank you for the kind words and for following along.
The Sayles Mill has now made it to the layout. I'm working on some changes on the layout and then I will move it for a few days while I finish the scenery in the background. You will also notice the Hooker and Sons (aka "The Bourey Apartments") has also been moved to the layout for a test fit. I plan on removing some plaster and adding rock talus and scenery materials that will complete the background. While I'm working in this area I decided to take a few days off from structure building and complete the benchwork for the town of Vansel. I plan on cutting all the base boards for all he structures that will make up this town.
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Yes - there will be a series of waterfalls in the river as it flows down from the Sayles Mill.
Spectacular, John. Again. Sort of John Allen-like with the mountains going up to the ceiling.
Looking forward to watching this area come together, John.
It should look spectacular when you are done.
Cheers, Mark.
Looking great John and really coming together !!
--Paul
John........
I told you this some time ago and I'll tell you again....................... If you are not careful....... you will have a real railroad on your hands......
Just super stuff.............
Thanx
Bob
Hey John:
all I can say is WOWWIE!!!!!!! Just beautiful work as always.
Karl
This looks great John. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: vinceg on January 31, 2022, 09:31:10 PM
Spectacular, John. Again. Sort of John Allen-like with the mountains going up to the ceiling.
Vince
Thank you for the kind words and I will take any comment that compares the layout to John Allen's wonderful work. We do share a love of mountains.
Quote from: Mark Dalrymple on January 31, 2022, 10:48:01 PM
Looking forward to watching this area come together, John.
It should look spectacular when you are done.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the encouragement and for following along. Later this evening I have some progress photographs and an explanation of how I'm approaching the design of this town.
Quote from: PaulS on February 01, 2022, 06:35:23 AM
Looking great John and really coming together !!
--Paul
Paul
Thank you - it's great when a plan comes together. And the Sayles Mill actually fit in the hole.
Quote from: bparrish on February 01, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
John........
I told you this some time ago and I'll tell you again....................... If you are not careful....... you will have a real railroad on your hands......
Just super stuff.............
Thanx
Bob
Bob
Thank you, and I hope it does some day look like a real railroad. I just got to get all the plywood covered. ;)
Quote from: postalkarl on February 01, 2022, 05:03:01 PM
Hey John:
all I can say is WOWWIE!!!!!!! Just beautiful work as always.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the encouragement. It is appreciated.
Quote from: sdrees on February 01, 2022, 08:29:18 PM
This looks great John. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
Thank you, I hope we can get you out here one day to see it in person. I'm looking forward to seeing you at the Narrow Gauge Convention.
Before I get into the discussion about how I'm designing the town of Vansel, I wanted to show off my new bench top for my rolling workbench. It was time for a new top surface and I wanted to add more T-slot capacity so I was pricing the T-track and planned on routing in the slots into a new oak bench top. I was putting all the pieces together and well it was over $200 when I stopped. And that was just for the track pieces and I didn't have the board, yet. So I turn the page of the Rockler catalog and they had a new pre-made top that was much smaller than the one on my layout workbench on sale for $119. Two mouse clicks and it was at my front door in two days. This bench top is 20 x 26 inches. Just for reference the T-slot bench top that you have seen me using for the past few years is 28x40 inches and I had to build a special bench to fit it. So anyway, I have a lot more space for the new builds I have coming up.
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With the planting of the Sayles Mill I have completed the back structures for the town of Vansel. This establishes the back or depth of the town and also the highest points for the town. The town will have elevation change so I added an upper level plateau that will have a two level Depot - yes it was inspired by Franklin Square on the F&SM. The footprint of the town is broken into bench size pieces so I can build it and set it in to the layout. I need to make the baseboards for each of these pieces so I cut paper templates of each area. These templates will be used to cut the 3/4 inch plywood baseboards, and will also be used on my drawing board where I will layout the structures roads and additional spur tracks. Here are a few pictures of what I have been up to the last few days.
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I already started cutting the plywood pieces, using the templates. I also framed in the back hatch which will allow access to the areas of the layout I can't reach from the aisle. More progress photographs, soon.
Great looking progress. The rock work is superb.
John, a lesson I learned the hard way: Not all T Track is the same. I got some T Track fixtures and the darn bolts were too thick to fit into the Rockler slots! Your smaller table is the size I have, it sits on one of those (cheap Harbor Freight) tool stands of about the same size. I have a C Clamp to attach the top to the table. Now if only I'd stop piling @#$%^& on it, I'd have a great working surface! ;D
dave
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 02, 2022, 08:15:34 AM
Great looking progress. The rock work is superb.
Curt
Thank you, a little more process each day.
Quote from: deemery on February 02, 2022, 08:49:16 AM
John, a lesson I learned the hard way: Not all T Track is the same. I got some T Track fixtures and the darn bolts were too thick to fit into the Rockler slots! Your smaller table is the size I have, it sits on one of those (cheap Harbor Freight) tool stands of about the same size. I have a C Clamp to attach the top to the table. Now if only I'd stop piling @#$%^& on it, I'd have a great working surface! ;D
dave
Dave
I haven't run into the bolt size issue because all of my fixtures came from Rockler. I stocked up when they have their 40% off sales. I sure have the problem with stuff on the table when I want to use it. ;) ;D