East End Market

Started by Erieman, January 03, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

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Erieman

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While I continue drawing the building, I have been getting information from the Fairbanks Museum in St. Johnsbury, Vermont. It turns out that the Portland and Ogdensburg Railroad ran behind the building. I have been getting names of prior owners of the home as well. No real history on the beginning of the building yet, but I keep looking. In the meantime, I have been looking at integrating this structure into the layout. The photo below shows a birds eye view of two sets of white blocks. the lower set of blocks is for the SRMW "Tucker and Cook Yarn Mill. a trolley line runs from the left side between the two building complex and off to the right. The upper blocks is for the East End Market structure. Because of the terrain, I am going to have  to build the building in reverse and backwards. Confused, so am I. Essentially the large building will on your right, facing the top of the page. The two smaller buildings will be to the left facing the top of the page. Anyway, I'll have to redraw the building complex to make a cardstock building. Whoa is me. FYI, there are two bridges, one on the left and one on the right. Former images in my mind of Pittsburgh. Kinda crazy, isn't it. Anyway, these are my thoughts for the moment. More about the complex soon.

Frank / Erieman   

ACL1504

Morning Frank,

This is turning out to be a great adventure for all of us.

Tom ;D
"If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
Thomas Jefferson

Tom Langford
telsr1@aol.com

Erieman

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Quote from: ACL1504 on January 17, 2015, 07:46:11 AM
Morning Frank,

This is turning out to be a great adventure for all of us.

Tom ;D

Good Morning Tom,
Glad you are enjoying the trip. One of the people in the know is wintering just South of you, the others too cold to leave Vermont. One gentleman does not have internet, so I am using snail mail. Talking about going back in time! Can't be in a rush on this project. Each day i try to get a little bit done on this puzzle. today, this is my current location choice. Thanks for stopping by. I just found out that one of the people who might know more about the building is wintering in Leesburg, Fl. I am trying to contact him by phone.

Frank / Erieman

Mark Dalrymple

Looks like a really interesting setup, Frank.

Lots of interesting shaped plots and changes in elevation.  Looking forward to watching it develop.

Cheers, Mark.

Erieman

Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 17, 2015, 02:52:39 PM
Looks like a really interesting setup, Frank.

Lots of interesting shaped plots and changes in elevation.  Looking forward to watching it develop.

Cheers, Mark.

Mark,

Thanks for stopping by. This project is developing slowly because I really want to have some history behind the building. Several of the people that I have been referred to do not have email, so its snail mail or phone to get information. I talked to someone who lived in the building for many years. His father owned the building when it was the East End Market. He is 88 and has a good memory of the building. It's still slow going, but some forward progress is being made. I continue to look at the structure location and need to model the topography of the area before I make a final decision on the orientation of the building. Glad you stopped by.

Frank / Erieman

Erieman

An update on the progress of East End Market. Last week I received the names of several people who either lived in the building or know some of the history of the building. I have sent letters to two of these people because they do not have email. I phoned the third person, Mr Clouatre, who's father owned the building from the mid 30's and operated it as the East End Market. Mr. Clouatre is now 88 and still has an interesting memory of the building. His father ran the market on the first floor. There were apartments on other floors. Mr. Clouatre thought that I wanted to buy the building and I had to explain that I was only seeking information to build a scale model. He warned me that the building was in a sad state of repair. I assured him that I was not interested in taking on such an enormous project. The scale model will be enough! I believe that building was constructed around 1900. First as one building then two separate buildings and joined together as you see presently. The old Portland and Ogdensburg Railroad ran behind the building.

I have completed the drawings of the building. with some selective compression ( very minor) beening done to bring the structure into a more pleasant scale. I will be spray mounting the prints onto cardstock to create a three dimensional model of the building. As I noted in a prior post, I have selected a site for the building on the layout and when the white model is complete, will be placed in this area to verify the location.

I talked to Raymo late this afternoon and asked him if he wanted a copy of the building. I will be sending Dan a copy of the drawing for all his help on this project. After all, If he hadn't posted the photo of the building in the first place, this project would not be happening. I have attached two photos. One with the front view and on with the rear view of the building. Stay tuned early next week for the cardstock model.

Frank / Erieman

Erieman

Two Dimension to three dimensions. I decided to make the three dimensional model today. Actually, once I get into a project like this, it is hard to do something else and believe me, I have plenty of other things to do around the house and on the layout! I went over to the local art store and purchased a couple of two ply cardstock sheets. then I trimmed the drawings down to eliminate some of the extra white space. I then took the drawings outside, placed them on some newspaper and sprayed them with 3M mounting cement. Then I applied the print to the cardstock. Front, back and one end were cemented.

Then I started cutting out the rear part of the structure. You also want to remove the parts that are not on the same plain. On the back of the building, the garage tower and small building appendage were cut out for future gluing. On the front of the model is the main door which extend out six feet from the back wall. There is also the porches. There actually three porches; two on the main building and one long one on the middle building. More about those later. I use Elmers yellow wood glue almost exclusively for all the building I do. Dries fast and adheres extremely well. I also cut some 45 degree triangles for corner bracing. Occasionally I use a small steel block to keep the corners square. The corner bracing stiffens the cardstock very nicely. corners are the most important. the photos show the from and rear views of the building. As you can see from the pictures, Roof panels will be added after the body of the structure is completed. On the front entry, I need to add both walls to the front panel. On the one end, I need to add the end wall. There is a small outbuilding that needs an end wall. I made four copies of the building so I can cut some of the scribed walls and add to the model. Or not. The front porches will be constructed from another print, mounted on cardstock and glued in place.

More tomorrow, I hope.

Frank / Erieman

S&S RR

Frank


It looks like the project is going well - there is no substitute for good cardboard mockups for visualizing where the project is going.  Love it.
John Siekirk
Superior & Seattle Railroad

Janbouli

Franks mockups are better then a whole lot of kits out there.
I love photo's, don't we all.

Mark Dalrymple

Looking very interesting, Frank.

The roofs will really help define things.

Cheers, Mark.

Erieman

Quote from: S&S RR on January 24, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Frank


It looks like the project is going well - there is no substitute for good cardboard mockups for visualizing where the project is going.  Love it.

John.

Good to hear from you. Glad you like the mockup. i'll post a few more pics of my progress momentarily. mockups really do make the build muck easier. Helps you to find the Oh shits real fast. More pics in a bit.

Frank / Erieman

Erieman

Quote from: Janbouli on January 24, 2015, 01:12:24 PM
Franks mockups are better then a whole lot of kits out there.

Jan,

Mockups help to realize the building quicker and cheaper. As far as being better than a whole bunch of kits, well.... thanks for stopping by. more pics momentarily.

Frank / Erieman

Erieman

Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 24, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
Looking very interesting, Frank.

The roofs will really help define things.

Cheers, Mark.

Mark,
Thanks for stopping by. did some yard work and some building work. Got quite a bit of the roof and porches done. Thought you might want to see the progress. Here a couple different views of the building. I am going to place the building with the back facing the layout, but angled so that from either aisle, you can see the front. In pic one, you see the footprint of another building. i will be placing another SRMW building - Tucker & Cook Yarn Mill in front. A trolley runs between them. Enjoy the pics.

Frank / Erieman

Erieman

Well, the weekend is over, not that it means anything to those that are retired! I have put the finishing touched on the white model. Now I will leave it alone for a while to take in the location that I have selected for the building. I have taken a few more pics that show it in place. Now I still have to look at what other buildings might be across the street.  So take a look and enjoy.

Frank / Erieman

GPdemayo

That's going to be another great scene.....good work Frank!  8)
Gregory P. DeMayo
General Construction Superintendent Emeritus
St. Louis & Denver Railroad
Longwood, FL

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