The adventure of starting a layout started in 1997 on six acres out in the country. I had drawn up a plan in Auto Cad of a ranch style house. The wife and I came to an agreement that I would have full rein of the basement and she could decorate the house anyway she wanted to. I had come up with an 1800 sq.ft. design that was then taken to an architect for house plans to submit for a building permit. When he was finished with the plans we wound up with a 2300 sq.ft. house. Quite all right by me.
So next I had to find a spot I wanted the layout to be. I'm standing in the spot where the layout ...ah house will be built.
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As you can see the Tonka Toys are there to excavate that all important hole in the ground.
2300 sq.ft. turns out to be quite a big hole.
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The walls are poured concrete. The house is T shaped. The garage is toward the top center of the picture. Something I designed into the house is the stairway to the basement, upper left in picture, so it would be easy to bring full 4 X 8 sheets of material into the basement.
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The fully enclosed layout area. I'm standing close to the stairway from the garage. The ladder is temporary as a spiral staircase is going there. They take up less space.
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And the finished product. It took almost 20 years to get to this point.
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I had the house ruffed in, when the windows, roof and gutters where done I took over and did the electrical, plumbing, finish carpentry, heating and outside brickwork. There is still the master bedroom to finish and the kitchen is not fully finished yet. So occasionally I'll be involved with 1:1 scratch building. Just so you know I'm a died in the wool DYI'er unless it's to heavy to do.
So that's it for now. I'll post as soon as I get more pictures together. Hope this will be an enjoyable ride for you.
Bernd
It looks like a great start to a layout build. I will be following along on your journey.
Great work on the 1:1 build Bernd and congrats on the spacious man cave.....looking forward to your journey. 8)
Thanks John. You are one of the reasons for joining this forum. It because of your layout builds that I got deeply involved in doing some research in a build that I will document here. But more on that later. Here's what the basement looks like now after 20 or more years. Things have followed me home over those years.
I also had a couple of layout starts and then changed my mind. I was on the dark side of model railroading for a couple of years with interest in On30 due to all the HO stuff I have. That kind of faded out. I was involved with TT scale for several years and tried to help a group of modelers to get it back on the modeling scene. There was to much bickering among the group. Nobody was interested in building kits or scratch building. They all wanted to buy ready made items. TT scale is the Orphan Child of the modeling scales. It's 1/10" = 12" (1:120) That's in between HO and N scale for the newer modelers that haven't heard of it before. I figured I wouldn't get much done if I had an interest so many scales at one time. The decision came last year when I decided to concentrate on just one scale, but include three gauges, standard, 3 foot narrow gauge and 2½ foot narrow gauge.
So before I get into the layout itself a couple of more pics of the basement and then on to modeling.
20 years of accumulation of "stuff I needed". I'm also very interested in "Home Shop Machining" that's why the heavy equipment.
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A shot from the isle way from the basement stairs.
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Standing next to the spiral stairway looking toward the future start of the layout.
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Facing the hallway to the basement stairs and a distant view through the door of the shop/office space.
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Looking toward the machine shop area.
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The beginning of the HOn30 layout.
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And of course the obligatory pictures of the model shop/office. I'm kind of embarrassed to show these pictures because it looks like I had 10.5 earthquake on the Richter scale. I do get some projects finished occasionally.
On the next installment I'll get more into how I named the railroad and the concept behind the name. I also maintain my own website with my projects. I do try to keep it updated.
Until next time.
Bernd
Thanks Gregory. Much appreciated.
Hope I don't bore you guys to much with non-model pictures. Not to worry they are coming.
Bernd
Pictures are never boring..... ;D ;D ;D
Wow, I don't have the skills to build a house. It looks great and you should have a awesome layout.
Thank you Curt. Anybody can learn those skills.
I put together a little history of how and why I came up with the name NY,V & N Rwy. Hope you enjoy it. Hopefully next time I'll have some pictures to show of the prototype areas I want to portray.
Every railroad needs some form of history behind it. So how did I come up with the name of my freelanced railroad? When I got my first new car in early 1970 I did a lot of fan trips. To understand the name I'm sure you've figured out that the railroad is located in New York. And it is. To be exact it's located in the Rochester, New York area.
So back to my fan trips. There were five large railroads coming into the Rochester area, NYC, Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania, Erie and the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh. I'm talking back in the steam days. As of today what is left of the major lines is the Norfolk and Southern and the Rochester & Southern. I pretty much railfaned the New England states and down to the Mason Dixon line. I'm very much for Appalachian Mountain scenery. My other interest is in coal mining. So my eventual layout will have a large concept toward coal mining and shipping to customers. The idea of hauling coal from the southern coal states to the New England customers was going to be the theme of the line.
I started to put together some thoughts of what I wanted to model. It's now about 1984, I'm on my second marriage living in a mobile home with no place to build a layout, but one can dream of the day when a basement will be acquired to build that dream layout.
Once I got some ideas down on paper I realized that building a layout to accommodate the length of railroad I wanted. I would need two barns end to end to fit all in. I came to the conclusion that I would only model a portion of the line. I would use the railroads that served Rochester back in the late 30's to perhaps the 50's. That's one nice thing about freelancing, you can fit it into any time line and not have to follow what the prototype did.
The theme for the prototype system was to run from somewhere in the West Virginia coal fields to Portland Maine. Imagine trying to build a layout of that size? I guess I would have needed three barns and two life times. So I whittled it down to just the local area. Now I live approximately five miles from Lehigh Valley's Rochester Junction. The LV had a branch running south going down to Hemlock Lake and a branch running north into Rochester. To the west of me the BR&P, which became the B&O in 39 I believe, ran north to Lake Ontario. They had a yard on the west side of Rochester, near the airport, and ran coal trains to Irondequoit Bay. So I have my coal route to an unloading area. The three railroads that delivered coal to Lake Ontario were the Pennsy, Lehigh Valley and the B&O. The B&O was in Rochester, the Lehigh Valley was at Fair Haven NY and the Pennsy was at Sodus, NY.
Ok so I had my coal theme. Now I needed to connect the coal from the southern states to Lake Ontario. To the west of me is the town of Caledonia, NY. All the railroads, except for the Pennsy, ran through this town. The best part was/is that the B&O crossed the LV in this town and had interchange tracks. So I came up with the idea of using the B&O, which had a major yard in Salamanca NY and then headed south through Pennsylvania, to be the main route of hauling coal. The line would come up using the B&O and then follow the LV to Rochester Jct. then north on the Rochester branch to Rochester. Only problem here was how was I going to get the coal to the lake. The LV dead ended in the middle of the city on the east side of the Genesee River plus I couldn't use the B&O since it was located on the west side of the city. I needed to get to the lake. Enter the Rochester Rapid Transit. It ran right beside the LV and crossed the river to get to the west side. So the RRT got incorporated into getting coal to the lake. The transit line gave me an excuse to cross the river. I could then come up with my own line going to the B&O at the coal dock.
Now enter the narrow gauge lines of my layout. I discovered the East Broad Top railroad in the early 70's and it became my favorite railroad. Why? You guessed it, coal. So my idea for the 3 foot coal hauler connection will be from a coal mine to a coal processing plant. From the processing plant it'll travel up the B&O version of my line but will in no way be visually connected. It will become a separate scene. During all this planning came an idea to add a quarry line. Again to the west of me close to the town of Leroy NY is a quarry that mines limestone. Interesting part is that the LV had sidings here for ballast loading. The quarry had a narrow gauge line running through the quarry. So I just have to have that also. So thus the New York, Vermont & Northern Rwy. was born, The Route of the Black Diamonds.
Why Vermont? I did extensive rail fanning in Vermont and loved the marble quarries and the mountains. Plus the northern New England states had the type railroads I like to model, D&H, Rutland, Vermont RR, Boston & Maine and Maine Central to name a few. Also having the chance to operate as a guest on the New England, Berkshire and Western layout had an influence. One of my first visits to the layout in the late 70's when they were holding open house had a great influence on my modeling.
So that wraps it up as to the theme of the layout. Being a free lancer gives much latitude to building a model railroad. My though is applying the logic of the real world railroad to build a model railroad that could have been when railroads were spreading throughout the country. One other thing I'm very interested in is animation on a layout. I'm looking at animating the quarry line with loading of cars, taking them to a processing point and loading standard gauge cars. Same goes for the coal mine when I get to that.
So until the next post when I hope to have some prototype pictures of the area's to be modeled.
Bernd
Bernd,
Wow, you have one heck of a shop for all things. And, one heck of a layout area. I think I only know of one house here in Central Fl. with a basement and it is only about 10 X 10.
I did in fact build my layout building in the back yard. I learned the skills as I went. Never laid one cinder block until I did this building. I wanted to learn more roofing skills so I opted to go with conventional framing and not ready made trusses.
I'll follow your thread.
Tom ;D
I built the layout building on the opposite side of the pool from the house.
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We spent 7 years commuting to Rah-cha-cha rrom suburban Bahstan while our daughter studied at UR. Never took much time to explore the railroad scene up there, but your B&O of knowledge the area is good. Looking forward to seeing more of your work and progress.
Hello Bernd, you did a great job on the house and I am looking forward to how you do on your layout. Jeff
I'm following along too. Beautiful house and wonderful area for the layout. :D
Hi Bernd,
Just jumping in now--and wow, that is one heck of a great way to approach layout design, starting with the house plans. I would sure love to have had an outside basement entrance instead of maneuvering 4x8 sheets through the living room and down a small stair. But at this point, that's all water under the trestle and Ben-Gay on the joints.
This is exciting--can't wait to see it come together into a trackplan.
--Opa George
Thanks guys. Much appreciated for the kind words.
@Tom, I've been following your build since I found this forum. Had trouble signing on and gave up for a while but still followed your layout build and John Sekirk's layout build. Now that I've committed to documenting the layout I'll have more incentive to work on it to show progress. It's always nice to know someone will give you a kick in the butt if progress stops. I just hope I don't disappoint along the way. And BTW having a very cooperative wife helps in building a house designed for a layout. Also remember many of us up here have basements. I just wish I would have finished the basement before all that "STUFF" followed me home. I did need a wood working area for the finish woodwork.
Looking forward to getting some pics together of my idea for the limestone quarry on the next thread post.
Bernd
It will be interesting to watch your layout plans take shape, Bernd.
Cheers, Mark.
I left off by saying I was going to get into the limestone quarry, well that's getting a little ahead of the quarry story. I'll begin with how much of the line I'm actually going to model.
So we are going to start to the west of Rochester Junction and work our way east to Rochester Junction and then down the Rochester branch to the Rochester Lehigh Valley station in downtown Rochester.
Since I'm using the BR&P line up from the southern states and LV line east to Rochester Junction my starting point of the layout will be the Pittsburg & Lehigh Junction area. This is where to BR&P (B&O) crossed the Lehigh Valley. At this point is where the NY,V&N Rwy. goes from the BR&P line to the LV line and follows the LV east to Rochester Jct.
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As you can see there several railroads at this point. This crossing is between the towns of Leroy to the west and Caledonia to the east. You also have the NYC Peanut line that ran from Canandaigua to Niagara Falls New York. That line ran past my parent's house. The Erie also ran into Rochester. Also note the Genesee & Wyoming RR came from Retsof to the Junction. This gives me an excuse to run salt trains to the north to salt the roads.
Here are some pictures of the buildings at the P&L Jct. crossing.
First the station that was there. The station was moved to Genesee Valley Museum.
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Opposite of the station was the tower that controlled the crossing.
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East we go and wind up at Rochester Junction. This portion I plan to model pretty much the way the prototype looked back in the steam to diesel era. First a map of how the prototype fit into this area of the state.
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The blue line is the east/west Lehigh Valley main line. The red line is the Hemlock branch that ran all the way, at one time, right up to the north shore of Hemlock Lake. The green line is the Rochester branch that ran into Rochester and ended almost in the center of the city on the east side of the Genesee River. The unmarked line running west to east through Honeoye Falls New York is the Peanut line. I believe that was abandoned in the 30's in this part of the country.
This is what the junction looked like in the late 1890's. The first station was single story.
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This is how it looked later. I don't have a date for this picture, but figure it looks like it could be from the 1920's to 30's from the looks of the boxcars.
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You are looking west. Note the two double slip turnouts. No idea of date this picture was taken.
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Again looking west. The Rochester branch leads off to the right of the picture. The track diverging to the left at the bottom of the picture is the west leg of a wye with tracks heading south to Hemlock Lake. Judging from the car in the right of the picture it was taken around the late 1920's or early 1930's. Also note the two double slip turnout have been replaced with simple turnouts. Makes track work much easier for the modeler.
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This picture looks like it was taken from the control tower. Note that the station platform toward the east of the station has been removed. Also I've been trying to find out what the building to the extreme right was used for. It was still standing at the time I used to go down to the junction in hopes of catching a train.
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In the next couple of views is the way I remember the Junction in the 1970's. This view is from the Rochester Branch side tracks looking south east.
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This is what I would call the front of the station. The main line is in front. The partially shown building in the left of the picture was a sort of freight house I believe.
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A south east view of the station.
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A larger south east view showing the mystery building in the background and the full platform covers.
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A south west view showing what could have been a freight house at some time. Also there are only three tracks as opposed to five tracks in early pictures.
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And a view no railfan or modeler likes to see. The station burnt to the ground on Thanksgiving Day 1973. The main line has been abandoned. Conrail still ran freight to Lima, New York to the insulator plant. In the last few years the Rochester branch's rail had been removed and became a trail. The whole area has become a park dedicated to the Lehigh Valley. If your interested in a little more, and I mean little, here's a link to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester_Junction_station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester_Junction_station)
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Okay, let's take a fast passenger train to Rochester. You'll arrive at this Station in downtown Rochester.
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There's lot's going on in this post card picture. Way to the right is the Erie line that ran into Rochester. That lasted into the 1970's I believe. The subway has been added. Those are the tracks to the left in the picture, they are running on the former Barge Canal. In the background where the canal building is where the Lehigh Valley Rochester yard was. It had a turn table and a two stall engine house. The LV station was built over the top of a mill race. Rochester is called the "flour city" because of the wheat that was grown here and milled with water power along the river.
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This is an aerial view of the same area that the previous post card picture depicted. Note the canal to the left of the station.
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Another view later in history.
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An early 1960's aerial view of downtown Rochester. The Erie tracks are on the west side of the river. The Erie warehouse is split in half by the four lane highway bridge. As of this writing that area now has a housing tract on it. To the right is the Lehigh Valley. Directly behind the station, the large square building is the Rochester Library. The bridge behind the library is a double deck bridge. It carried the barge canal across the river. A top portion was added when the canal was drained to make way for the rapid transit line and a roadway was built over the top. This is where I will carry my fictitious railroad back over to the BR&P line that ran all the way to the north shore of Lake Ontario.
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Now a bit of history on the station itself. This picture looks like it's from the late 1890's since I don't see any type of automobile in the picture.
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Looking south we see the LV station in the center. The Erie warehouse is to the right. The river is to the left. Next over toward the left is the mill race and next to the left are the subway and rapid transit tracks. They are curving to cross the bridge over the river. From the automobiles I'd have to say it's in the 1920's.
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The station in the 1940's perhaps. Not too good at judging the years of the cars.
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This is the way the building looked for many years. Notice too that the platform coverings are gone out over the tracks.
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A shot from the middle of the river. You are looking north with the library in the background.
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A view from across the river. You are looking east.
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Looking directly north on a bridge over the rapid transit tracks. The two tracks to the extreme right that went under the library and across the double-decker bridge have been removed. Interstate 490 now occupies the spot of where the tracks are.
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So what happened to the station? It became the home of the Dinosaur Bar-B-Que. It also looks like they added buildings to the left in matching brick work.
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So that wraps up a major portion of the fictitious NY,V&N Rwy. Next will be the portion from the Lehigh Valley yard in Rochester to the north shore of Lake Ontario and the rail to boat loading coal facility. As I build my railroad I'll delve into more detail at each location. After I finish up with the last stretch of railroad I'll start on the quarry line.
Until the next post.
Bernd
In my post about the Rochester station I mentioned that brick building was added to the left of the station proper, it wasn't added. It was there all along. It shows in all the photo's I posted of the station.
Bernd
Nice set of inspirational photos. Love the slip switches in the one junction picture!
dave
Great historical photos. A lot of inspiration there.
Terrific, Bernd!
Looks like you have some great structures to build in your future. Those two railway stations are humdingers!
Cheers, Mark.
Hey Bernd:
What A great bunch of historical photos. Loved looking at all of them.
Karl
What a project , that's going to be so much fun to build and for us to follow.
Some really great looking stations in those pictures.
Jeff
Many thanks for the kind words Dave, Curt, Mark, Karl, Janbouli, & Jeff.
It's quite an ambitious project. This will be my first layout and next month I turn 70. Makes me wonder how far I will get. I'm still working on projects to finish the house so my time will be divided up between modeling and house projects.
Yes those stations are rather unique. The Rochester Junction station was drawn up in Model Railroader by Harold Russell. I can't remember the date. I got to meet Harold when I joined the Kodak City Model Railroad Club back in the mid 70's. That first station that was at the junction was disassemble and moved to Lima, New York, just a few miles west of me. I have pictures of it in the 80's. The Rochester station will be the most difficult to build since nobody ever measured it or drew up plans. I'm going to attempt to build that. That is one of the reasons I joined this forum. With the many modelers here that build kits and scratch-build I figured I could learn the techniques that are used to build such a structure. I just hope that some of my techniques I use to do certain projects will help modelers here.
So I have one more post to finish up the portion of the line that will get modeled from the Rochester station to the coal dock which will be located on the Genesee River further north from the center of the city. I first need to get some picture together to finish that section. Problem with some of the pictures is that they are in books with copy right terms.
So until the next post in this thread.
Bernd
Just finished catching up on your adventure Bernd. Wow you brought back memories. I grew up in Scottsville and went to school at Wheatland-Chili. Looking forward to watching a part of western NY come to life. Love the background story.
Jim D
This is going to fun to watch you build Bernd.....we were in Rochester for a family wedding about 12 years ago and got to explore the area from there, thru the Finger Lakes, the wineries and to Buffalo and Niagara Falls. We even rented a Piper and flew over the western part of New York for a couple of hours.....beautiful part of the country. 8)
Amazing photos. Thanks for sharing
Great photos thanks for sharing.
This should be a fun project to follow with.
Looking forward to your progress!
Jerry
Frank,
The house you scratch built in 1997 looks great. That is not an easy task !
Looks like the ranch home has plenty of basement for your hobby.
Love the collection of old photos you posted too. Keep sharing your journey.
Tommy
Bernd
Wow, what a fantastic start to a layout thread. All the historical pictures with hundreds of modeling ideas. It going to be fun to see what you decide to include on your layout. I agree that the depots in your pictures are wonderful. I will be following along and hope for lots of pictures.
Jim, Gregory, Craig, Jerry, Tom & John thanks for commenting much appreciated. Glad I can bring back some memories for some of you. Ya, it's not a bad place to live considering the taxes. Best thing is we have a place in the 1000 Islands that we will be spending lots of time at. Wife retired this year so no hurrying home on the weekends. I'm going to have to get a second set of tools to work on projects while up there.
While I was using Google Earth I looked at what the Junction looks like today. There are trees growing where the station once stood.
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This next section will describe the line from the LV Station to the Charlotte Coal Dock. This picture is an Earth Google view. The yellow line encircles what was the LV's Rochester yard. I'd estimate that the yard was close to 2 miles long.
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This is how the line will continue following the river edge. The line will use the subway tracks and cross the river on the double deck Broadway Bridge.
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The line will follow the river north. The "X" at the bottom is the station and the "X" at the top is the coal dock. I estimate the distance to be 3 to 5 miles through the city. My intentions are to follow the river up by the buildings near the edge.
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Next pictures show the almost finished construction of the double deck bridge. Also note the library has not been built yet. The mill race has been blocked off.
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In this picture that looks like an unfinished bridge is actually a loop for the trolley line.
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A post card of the bridge.
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This map shows the rail lines crossing the bridge and the two loops. The one that was shown a previous picture.
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This is what the area looked like before renovation. The growth of trees and brush over the years is evident that nothing was done in quite a while. Never knew there was a windmill there either.
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This leads us into the so called Tunnel, which basically is going under the library and under the roadway across the bridge.
A couple of pictures looking north. About where the black building with the round top is called the Upper Falls. A bit further down the river is the famous Genesee Beer Co.
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One last parting shot of the station. You are looking south with the station in the upper left hand corner with the library to the left of the station. Note the arches under the library. This is where the mill raceway water exists back into the river.
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Now for a quick ride down to the coal trestle. We'll start off across the river for a look at how large the coal dock was. The year was 1925. You can see two ships, one getting loaded with coal and the other is the ferry between Rochester and Cobourg (/'koːbə˞g/) , Ontario, Canada. IIRC they had steel mills up there somewhere in Cobourg.
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A couple of pictures of the ferry slip. This gives me another area to exchange a lot of different cars, plus passengers.
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Empty hoppers being pushed up grade and it is a steep grade. I have not yet found out how steep it actually was. It seems like no one can remember.
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A ship being loaded. The two buildings The one closest to the camera is the Genesee Dock Station. The other one is Customs & Immigration and Passenger Landing. A stairway and walkway over the tracks for boat boarding so switching could continue while passengers boarded the boat or got off the boat. Some interesting modeling projects here.
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View of the dock with the kick back track way in the distance and the sloped track to bring the cars back down. Note the track under the trestle. This lead to a small yard.
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Better view of the return track, note the derail. Also note the track on the level ground is gone.
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In this picture you can still see track going under the sloped trestle. Still trying to figure out how they slowed the cars down after the kick back track.
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Another view of the top of the coal trestle.
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View of the yard at river level. The picture is fuzzy because I had to blow it up from 300 pixels by 234 pixels, but it gives an idea of the yard that was at river level.
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Ontario No.1 was one to two ferries that plied the waters between Rochester and Cobourg.
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Two ships in port. Don't know if they are unloading or loading passengers. Maybe both since the boat behind is not tied up at the coal chutes.
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The ferry slip apron is no longer there. This doesn't look like a coal carrying boat. I think they use this portion to turn the boats before they tied up at the mouth of the river docks.
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This is a Google Earth picture. There always was a bulk cement plant here. They now use pipes to unload the boats. The ferry slip is almost nonexistent. Red arrow.
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I was lucky to find a track diagram of the coal dock. I can faithfully reproduce the track plan at a condensed version.
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This will close the concept of the fictional railroad that will be modeled. The line is longer and I'm only going to model the Rochester Branch portion of my fictional line. The Hemlock lake branch is still being contemplated with the concept of that part running to a lumber transfer facility at the lake. As I said in the beginning the line ran from the southern coal mining states to the New England states hauling coal north. That's the main theme. Forrest products, fish products, potatoes and other products head south. The main line heads east through Manchester, New York which was a division point. A large engine facility was located there. The line then headed east to Geneva, New York and then headed south to Sayre, PA. In Geneva is where the NYV & N Rwy. keeps heading east into the New England states. I figured the most northern end will be up in Portland Maine on the cost line.
This is the most I've ever thought about the concept of the layout. I've probably wandered off the track a bit here and there but I think I have it down to what I want. I have certain areas in mind for modeling but they will not be 100% replicated.
Next post I'll start on the limestone quarry. That already has two structures under construction and some track configured.
So until next time.
Bernd.
Terrific stuff Bernd.
Some wonderful photos there!
Cheers, Mark.
Bernd,
Fantastic pictorial and history on the area. The photos also really bring it all together.
Tom ;D
Bernd, what a great history lesson through pictures. It was a lot of fun looking at all of them. You were right when you said there were a lot of modeling opportunities there. You could easily fill up your whole basement with great railroad scenes. Nice job. Jeff
Great photos Bernd.
Mark, Tom, Jeff and Curt thanks for the nice words. Ya, I hope I can build something that resembles the pictures. I've had this in my head for years. For some reason I just can't put it all down on paper as a drawing. I work best with an idea and then just doing it from thoughts so to speak. At times I need to restart several times.
You're right Jeff, I could fill up the whole basement. Trouble is 20 years of accumulating "stuff" has taken a toll on space. I was looking at all that "stuff" and figured it was time to purge this coming summer to make room for a layout. I'm even contemplating a double deck if I need more room.
Anybody interested in any stuff here?
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You only have to pay for shipping. :o ;D
Bernd
Bernd
I just got caught up on your build thread. Wow - great pictures. A couple things that you said stuck with me as I was looking through this huge project. I'm 70 and I wonder how far I will get. I'm thinking of a double deck layout if I need more space.
When I decided to add my Superior Yard to my layout a couple years ago I had the same thoughts going through my head. I decided to go ahead with the lower level in the expansion area and design it so I could add the upper level if I needed the space later. If you take a look at the Superior Yard build section of my layout thread I think you will see how I did this. Let me know if you have any questions.
Quote from: S&S RR on February 06, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
Bernd
I just got caught up on your build thread. Wow - great pictures. A couple things that you said stuck with me as I was looking through this huge project. I'm 70 and I wonder how far I will get. I'm thinking of a double deck layout if I need more space.
I like to use pictures more than words since I'm a little lazy in typing with the two finger hunt peck system. I figure a short explanation and the rest can be gotten from the pictures. I like the though of having the option of going double deck if I need. Hey at this point I guess it doesn't matter if it gets finished. I'm just looking forward to actually building a layout. If it gets done great, if it doesn't, oh well.
QuoteWhen I decided to add my Superior Yard to my layout a couple years ago I had the same thoughts going through my head. I decided to go ahead with the lower level in the expansion area and design it so I could add the upper level if I needed the space later. If you take a look at the Superior Yard build section of my layout thread I think you will see how I did this. Let me know if you have any questions.
I've been following your layout build since I found this forum over a year ago. So I know what you're saying and am getting ideas from your build.
I did a quick picture of the basement architectural plans . It's got some dimensions on it and may help you figure out size. I've outlined the area available for the layout, my shop, the wood/metal shop area and the office/model shop. You got me interested in drawing up a CAD drawing of the basement layout with some dimensions now.
No questions yet. You've pretty well explained it all in words and pictures.
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Bernd
Great layout space, Bernd.
So around 958' squared (89m2)? That's a lot of layout.
I have 635' feet. Most people seem surprised when they ask when I think I'll be finished and I reply "it would nice to be finished before I'm dead".
Cheers, Mark.
Do you have a sink down there? Half the expense ($40k total) of finishing my basement went into the 3/4 bath, including the up-flushing system to move the waste water to the septic system. (The marginal cost to add a shower was small, and that makes the space usable as an extra bedroom/guest room for a future occupant. There's no 2nd exit, so it's not a legal bedroom, but what a homeowner does with the space is their business....)
The strange thing was the building code requirement for the up-flushing system. If we used a grinder system, building code required an external (to the house) connection to the septic. But if we used a 'chunk chucker' system, there was no such requirement. The plumber and I looked at each other and said, "That makes no sense at all!" and connected that to the waste piping within the basement. I think if we had to do the external connection, that would have added as much as $10k to the cost.
dave
Quote from: mark dalrymple on February 06, 2021, 05:01:43 PM
Great layout space, Bernd.
So around 958' squared (89m2)? That's a lot of layout.
I have 635' feet. Most people seem surprised when they ask when I think I'll be finished and I reply "it would nice to be finished before I'm dead".
Cheers, Mark.
Thanks Mark.
Ya, lots of space. All I need to do is get rid of all the stuff that now sits in that 958sq. ft. I've already started to move stuff around. Can't wait till spring to start taking stuff to the transfer station.
I like your answer. I'm going to have to commendire that answer.
Bernd
Quote from: deemery on February 06, 2021, 05:46:16 PM
Do you have a sink down there?
dave
No Dave, I don't have any comfort immensities in the basement. I never gave it any thought in designing the house plan. I figure two baths upstairs id good enough. I usually take stuff upstairs to the kitchen sink. In the summer I go outside and use a hose.
Bernd
Once you have a sink in/near the workshop, it's hard to be without it! My previous workshop was set up next to the hot water heater and associated floor drain (town sewer, not septic.) It was easy to add a (non-conforming) sink that got water from the lines for the water heater with the drain pipe above the floor drain ;)
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 06, 2021, 09:16:34 PM
Once you have a sink in/near the workshop, it's hard to be without it! My previous workshop was set up next to the hot water heater and associated floor drain (town sewer, not septic.) It was easy to add a (non-conforming) sink that got water from the lines for the water heater with the drain pipe above the floor drain ;)
dave
I have instantaneous water hearts to supply hot water to each of the bath rooms and kitchen. So I only needed to run a cold water line to spots under each of the bath rooms and kitchen. So I have 3 separate water heaters. I do have access to cold water in the basement though. So far I haven' missed having hot water so I guess I'll be fine.
Bernd
Found a few more pictures of the coal dock at Charlotte.
That kick back didn't work at times. Heck of a way to unload a hopper.
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And that derail works well too!
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Definitely not going to model that. It'll probably happen all on its own anyway.
Bernd
Onward to the quarry. I take my inspiration for the quarry from a prototype on the east side of the village of Leroy, NY. It used to be called General Crushed Stone. The best I can gather is that at one time it had a narrow gauge line that ran throughout the quarry.
The first map view is of the quarry as a whole. When I first discovered this area a majority of the quarrying came from the old quarry. From the roads viewable on the map it looks like the Lehigh Valley used the narrow gauge line to reach the quarry. The B & O is at the bottom and the LV is at the top.
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It seems from the lines, which could have been the narrow gauge turned roadway after the line was taken up, that the line ran over to what I marked as the old quarry. A one time friend supposedly had drawings of buildings located at the LV tracks. From what's left from this view is seems like it was quite a large area for loading railroad cars. I can only speculate since I have found no information on this operation.
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This where the B & O (BR&P) their loaded hopper cars. The loading bins were large, probably close to 10 feet in diameter concrete silos. There were 6, three in a row by two wide and covered two loading tracks. As of this date the silos have crumpled and only the concrete support structure still stands. I was going to us the silos on the layout but could not figure out how I would be able to animate those loading cars.
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An aerial view of a piece of historic interest.
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This is one of my pictures back in the late 70's early 80's. The little steamer and quarry car were still there. The engine was moved to Central Square, New York and as cosmetically restored. I have have more. Once I find them I'll post them. The steam shovel is a Marion 91. Rumor has it that it was one of the original steam shovels that dug the Panama Canal. It was disassembled and brought here after the canal was finished. It worked the quarry from 1906 to 1949. It been sitting here for 72 years. I think at one time a group had planned on restoring it to operating condition, but apparently it was to expensive because it been quite a few years since I read about that.
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Time to get into the building of this part of the layout. This will be the third try at building the quarry or a portion of. Originally I was going to build an On30 line. I got a start on it and got interested in TT scale. It's the next size up from N scale. After a long dormant time in modeling I came to the decision if I wanted to get a layout built I needed to concentrate on one scale, not three. So since HO dominated my kits and rolling stock that's what was chosen.
Now I needed an idea for a track plan. I always like Chuck Yungkurth's Gum Stump & Snowshoe Railroad.
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The layout of the tracks didn't quite fir what I needed in the space I was putting it. I used a photo editing program to clean up the writing and to flip the layout lengthwise. Much better.
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But before I could start on the quarry line I needed to disassemble the On30 portion of the layout.
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I still can't come up with a good reason why I tore off the Styrofoam.
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A quick sanding with the belt sander to smooth things out.
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Ok, everything is nince and smooth, now what?
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A bit of time on the computer with a CAD program and I think I've got something I can work with.
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I wound up with an area of 2' X 8'. The last 2' are to be used for a hill and where the stone crusher building is going to go. The upper portion has been installed. I'm using paper templates to get a feelof where to lay the track. As you can see from the time stamp this was eight years ago.
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This was where the storage bins where supposed to go.
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I moved the portion that was against the back wall to the front. I hadn't figure how I was going to run the track to the standard gauge exchange point or where the exchange point would be.
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And nine years later this is as far as I have gotten. Pretty sad I'd say.
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In the next post I try to get the build caught up to what the last picture shows.
Until then.
Bernd
I drank a lot of Molsons in college :)
dave
Great progress.
Quote from: deemery on February 07, 2021, 05:56:03 PM
I drank a lot of Molsons in college :)
dave
I switched to Yuengling Traditional Lager after Molson started tasting like skunk. What's a skunk taste like? I really don't know. :o
Bernd
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 07, 2021, 06:30:32 PM
Great progress.
Thanks Curt. What your seeing has taken twenty years to get there. It'll slow down as soon as I get further into the quarry line.
Bern
Hello Bernd, you sure have a lot of layout space to fill up. Can't wait to see what happens. I enjoyed the additional historical photos very much. Jeff
Quote from: nycjeff on February 08, 2021, 11:41:32 PM
Hello Bernd, you sure have a lot of layout space to fill up. Can't wait to see what happens. I enjoyed the additional historical photos very much. Jeff
You're welcome Jeff. It's going to be slow going getting all that space filled up. I'm still working on house projects 20 years later. Have tons of stuff that need to be gotten rid of in the basement. I've finally decided I need to throw stuff out that hasn't been used or thought it might be needed/used.
I'll post as along as there some railroad progress. It may just not be as fast as others here on the forum.
Bernd
Bernd - The Gumstump and Snowshoe has always been one of my favorites. Once upon a time, I had a house with a nine-foot bar that allowed guests to sit on either side. I thought putting a glass top on the bar and adding the Gumstump inside would be fun. Unfortunately, I never got around to it. Thanks for bringing it back.
Bernd,
One of the fun things I enjoyed most was the planning stages of the Atlantic and Southern RR. Like the Judge, I've often thought of building the small switching layout.
Great progress among all the other 1:1 projects you have going.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Judge on February 09, 2021, 02:31:56 PMBernd - The Gumstump and Snowshoe has always been one of my favorites. Once upon a time, I had a house with a nine-foot bar that allowed guests to sit on either side. I thought putting a glass top on the bar and adding the Gumstump inside would be fun. Unfortunately, I never got around to it. Thanks for bringing it back.
You're welcome Judge. Ya it dates back quite a bit. I originally almost had it built when I was in TT scale. I was going to do a few modules in that scale to take to train shows and help in trying to bring back that scale. It's a great scale for the modeler that is getting older and their eye sight starts to fail more and for the guy that doesn't have the room for HO but wants something bigger than N scale.
Here are some pictures.
Thanks for stopping by.
Bernd
An TT SW1200 between two HOn3 steam engines.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/TT/TTnut/HOnTT1a.jpg)
A resin casting of a GP38-2 shell. The development stopped because nobody could come up with a power chassis. The one behind the TT is an HO scale GP38-2.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/TT/TTnut/GP38-2.jpg)
The top picture is of a TT RS3 made in Germany. A resin casting. The bottom is an HO scale Atlas RS3.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/TT/TTnut/IMGA0821A-vert.jpg)
From left to right - the SW1200, Docksider and the HO scale Docksider.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/TT/TTnut/TTHO2.jpg)
As I said before I needed to par down my modeling scales and concentrate on one scale. So far so good.
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 09, 2021, 05:36:01 PM
Bernd,
One of the fun things I enjoyed most was the planning stages of the Atlantic and Southern RR. Like the Judge, I've often thought of building the small switching layout.
Great progress among all the other 1:1 projects you have going.
Tom ;D
Thanks for stopping by. I just wish I could get one thing done so I can run some trains. I'd be real happy. My problem is I get distracted to fast by new things. Kind of like going for the shiny objects. :-\
I hope I get to finish those 1:1 before going to that roundhouse in the sky. :(
Getting the next posting ready for the quarry line. Getting more into the modeling aspect now.
Bernd
Hey Bernd:
Looks like you are having fun. I shall be following along.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on February 11, 2021, 01:18:28 AM
Hey Bernd:
Looks like you are having fun. I shall be following along.
Karl
Yup, lots of fun. Sometimes to much. :P
Thanks for joining in and following a long. Don't follow to fast now because I don't move so fast. ???
Bernd
Bernd,
Neat history photos of the NY state area you will model...looks interesting...like that Alco power...
keep the photos coming...
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on February 11, 2021, 11:39:28 AM
Bernd,
Neat history photos of the NY state area you will model...looks interesting...like that Alco power...
keep the photos coming...
Tommy
Thanks for stopping by Tom, much appreciated for the comments.
I'm kind of surprising myself with all the history I've collected over the years. Never quite put it all together. Kind of makes me glad I joined. It's forcing me to finally do a write up of what I'd like to build with some history behind it, even if it's part fictional. Lots more pictures coming. Like I said I'm to lazy to write how it's done. I like taking picture with a short description. The you can ask questions which I'll try to explain.
Bernd
I'm going to concentrate on the quarry part of the layout now. I started at least three times before I came up with something I liked.
First off I wanted to use the Gump Stump track plan reversed and mirrored as a starting point. What didn't make sense after revisiting what I wanted to do was build the rock bunker up on a flat ridge and running a track to it. They would have simply run chutes down to the loading track. So I decided to drop the rock bunker to table top level to make the loading facility more plausible.
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I found a better picture I had captured on Google Maps a few years ago. It's a clearer picture of the six concrete silos I was going to model with the two tracks under it. The last I remember this scene was when they still used the silos to load cars.
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And another picture a bit further to the right of the previous photo showing the rusting equipment.
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Picture of where I figured it should go. The one foot space behind it is to hold the bin of crushed stone and auger to load the bins. The idea was to just model the rock bunker being fed from a conveyor out of the scene.
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I started on designing the bunkers. I'm going to animate them to actually fill cars which will be taken to a dumper on the standard gauge line and dumped into standard gauge hoppers.
In order to hold the mechanism for the sliding door where the rocks come out I made that part of the structure out of a piece of 2" copper pipe, a brass rolled cone, a piece of 2½" mailing tube and a flat board. Here are the ingredients for one bunker.
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The tapered discharge chute needs a ledge to sit on so it's level when the bunker is stood up. A thin slice of copper tubing split will do the trick.
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That gets placed in the tube to get marked where to cut a section out so it fits in. Note the overlap at the bottom of the copper ring.
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Once cut the ring is tested to see if it fits. Notice the tiny gap at the bottom.
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Once satisfied with the fit and making sure it is even with the end, it is solder in. I use a small butane torch for this work.
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Next we turn our attention to making the cone. I found a program on the net that helps solve the problem of getting the right dimensions. I hope it never disappears from the net. http://craig-russell.co.uk/demos/cone_calculator/
And I came up with this. I drilled some holes in the sheet metal and stitched it together with some wire. The wire keeps it from unraveling and unsoldering when it gets soldered into the copper tube.
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The cone is soldered into the copper tube. I make sure it is well seated on the ring I soldered in earlier and then solder it all together.
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Here's where the mailing tube, 1/4" square wood strips and board come into the picture. I'm going to pour casting plaster around the outside of the copper tube to make the bunker look like real concrete.
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The copper tube is first glued to the board with hot melt glue. The mailing tube is placed over that with the 1/4" square wood spacing the mailing tube the proper distance from the copper tube.
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The casting plaster is then poured and with any luck the part will turn out like this.
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The first one using the procedure shown in the above picture showed this procedure would work. Once the plaster had dried for a day I removed the cardboard mailing tube. I then clamped the bunker in the lathe and turned the outside concentric with the copper tube. Why? All six bunkers need to be the same diameter so they are correctly spaced once the cars sit under the rock bunker. Things need to be aligned properly to pull off this project. The piece leaning up against the bunker will become the sliding door that will allow the rocks to flow from the bunker. I just hope it will work when I get to the point of having all six rock bunkers up on their structure.
I poured the two remaining silos. So that makes three if these two come out like the first one. Here I used ACC with an accelerator to glue the copper pipes down. Hot glue didn't want to work for me this time. The mailing tubes were glued down with hot glue and a bead was used to seal around the tube.
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And here's the messy part. Not much room to try to pour something that's thicker than pea soup into a 1/4" wide slot. I hope I have no air bubbles in these. I did tap the whole works on the table and it did burp once.
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Partial success on the casting I poured. But it's expected. One thing I forgot to mention was I used clear gloss polyurethane to coat the inside of the tube. I discovered on the very first one that the cardboard attaches itself to the plaster as if it was glued on. The polyurethane kind of moisture proves the tube. Started peeling off the cardboard.
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I cut into the cardboard with a utility knife till I get to the plaster. Then take the knife and kind of pry up a layer of cardboard and peel it off. Usually when you get close to the bottom it all comes off at once.
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So the first one was a success. The second one, not so successful. I happened to catch the edge of the knife in the plaster, it pop off a piece.
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After letting them dry for a time the castings were harder. The one that didn't turn out had a powdery feel to it so I decided to redo that one. The one that turned out OK was clamped gingerly in the lathe and had the OD turned nice and smooth to approximately a 2.5" dia.
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Wound up with two good ones on the first casting attempt.
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I poured a couple more of the round bins but was getting poor results. I decided to put that project on hold and see if I could come up with a better rock storage/loading bunker. In the mean time I started on some scenery. Next time around I'll show two attempts at some scenery.
Bernd
Impressive technique Bernd.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 11, 2021, 01:54:51 PM
Impressive technique Bernd.
Thanks Curt. Unfortunately it didn't work out to well. Might be able to use that technique on some other project. I'm not afraid to post my failures since other may learn from them. I also know 100 ways of not making a light bulb. ;)
Bernd
Quick question here. I've noticed everybody puts their description of a picture under the picture. I've always put it over the picture. What is the preferred method? Under or over the picture. Which is easier on the eyes?
Bernd
Wow — this quarry is gonna be very cool. And an impressive start!
re: question. I put my text above a photo adding a " : " to preface what I'm about to show. That said, it's whatever works best for you! This is your part of the forum, after all.
I've done both. Generally text above the photo introduces it and highlights something to look for.
Text after the photo describes how or why I did something.
Those are just generalizations, no hard-and-fast rule!
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 12, 2021, 12:15:47 PM
Text above the photo introduces it and highlights something to look for.
Text after the photo describes how or why I did something.
Perfectly put, Dave. This exactly.
Thanks guys. I didn't want stray to far from forum conventions. I'll continue with the text above then.
Dave, great idea with the posting.
Bernd
Quote from: Rusty Robot on February 12, 2021, 11:08:41 AM
Wow — this quarry is gonna be very cool. And an impressive start!
Hey there Rusty. This was the second attempt. Once I get through explaining what didn't work I'll post how it finally came together for me.
Bernd
In the last post I ended it with casting some storage bins. I determined that's not the way to go. Also I've come up with a track plan that might work now. I've tossed out the Gum Stump & Snowshoe plan for something completely different. The quarry will have a large animated rock bunker. The bunker will be filled via a belt system from a rock crusher which will be off stage so to speak. The idea is to have a bin filled with limestone that will be conveyed to the rock bunker. There will also be a track on a higher grade going to the quarry off stage to bring back large cut limestone. The idea is for the HOn2½ line to feed a transfer plant somewhere on the standard gauge line. So I started with getting some Styrofoam cut and laid out for the high level track to the quarry.
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Notice I haven't done any wall prep. Another mistake I made. Won't happen again.
As I looked over the last two pictures I posted. I need to cover that wall before I go any further. Nothing like doing things bass akwards, layout first - wall finishing last. I had to wait for the weather to break before I could go to the local home horror store for some supplies. Thinking of using either 1/4" plywood or 1/8" under floor laminate. I went with the under floor laminate.
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In the last picture I'd like to introduce you to the "Twins". This was a tribute build to a member of another forum. The prize was a set of decals to put on your project when finished. It's a semi-scratch build. If there is interest I can do a thread on the engine build in the "Rolling Stock" subforum.
I decided that the line was to high. I need to get to the table top level in a short distance on the uncompleted part to the left. So I removed one layer and proceeded to glue down the first layer with construction adhesive.
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At this point I had already started working on a wall background idea. Using ceiling tile I cut 2" wide strips. Then broke those two inch wide strips into one inch wide strips so they would have a rough edge. While I was building up the background wall a member of the other forum mentioned that rock strata like that was hardly ever straight like I had it. He said there usually was a upheaval in the strata some where along that line. I'll address that in the next post.
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While gluing down the styrofoam the mind wandered away for a while and came back with an idea. How about extending the track to the left to an open pit where pieces of larger limestone will be quarried. Something like this Vermont Granite Quarry Museum picture.
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Until then.
Bernd
Bernd,
In reference to the question you posed above. As Dave stated no "hard or fast rule" here. It comes down to personal preference.
I like explain what I did and then show a photo. It flows better for the reader/follower to see the photos after a short explanation.
My 2 cents worth.
Tom ;D
Bernd,
Why not make your round silos form PVC pipe or PVC pipe couplings? You can turn them in your lathe to the correct diameter, then scuff sand them with some emery cloth while in the lathe. After that you can either use a rattle can of texture paint or some gesso to roughen the surface of the pipe to better resemble concrete. After that, some "Cocoon" chalk paint (Jason Jensen YouTube videos), weathering chalks or powders and "Bob's your Uncle".
Hey Bernd:
Looks great so far. Keep the pics flowing.
Karl
I'm enjoying your journey Bernd.....keep up the good work. 8)
Quote from: jerryrbeach on February 12, 2021, 10:06:42 PM
Bernd,
Why not make your round silos form PVC pipe or PVC pipe couplings? You can turn them in your lathe to the correct diameter, then scuff sand them with some emery cloth while in the lathe. After that you can either use a rattle can of texture paint or some gesso to roughen the surface of the pipe to better resemble concrete. After that, some "Cocoon" chalk paint (Jason Jensen YouTube videos), weathering chalks or powders and "Bob's your Uncle".
Good question there Jerry. One of the reasons was that PVC didn't come close enough to the 10 foot dia. I was looking for. 1 1/4" outside diameter is 1 5/8" or 11 feet 9 inches. The other was they way I was going to make the sliding doors I needed the strength of a metal to make them function. Remember I said I'm going to animate the loading process. You also see as I progress with this story that I have a totally different structure in mind.
Bernd
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 12, 2021, 05:33:23 PM
Bernd,
In reference to the question you posed above. As Dave stated no "hard or fast rule" here. It comes down to personal preference.
I like explain what I did and then show a photo. It flows better for the reader/follower to see the photos after a short explanation.
My 2 cents worth.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom. Just wanted to make sure I sort of follow the forums protocol. Sounds like I just keep on doing the same then.
Bernd
Quote from: postalkarl on February 13, 2021, 09:35:59 AM
Hey Bernd:
Looks great so far. Keep the pics flowing.
Karl
Thanks Karl. More pics coming as I try to catch the forum up on my past progress and errors.
Bernd
Quote from: GPdemayo on February 13, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
I'm enjoying your journey Bernd.....keep up the good work. 8)
Thanks for the encouragement Gregory. I need at times. I'll try to keep up the work.
Bernd
Before I move on with the quarry area I want explain about the two electric engines in the picture. I built a total of four engines. The shell is totally a brass scratch built with an N scale power unit. I'll do a thread build sometime on these.
Okay, at this point I had some idea as to a track plan that hasn't changed in the two years since I came up with it. A quick hand drawn picture is below. The squares are 1". The two tracks under the bunker still need to be decided on as far as an exact location.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/layout-a001.jpg)
As I mentioned before a fellow modeler on another forum mention that rock strata always has a curve or doesn't run parallel to the ground. So I did some experimenting. I took strips of ceiling tile soaked them in water for a short time so they would flex without breaking and draped them over a couple of stacked strips. I had to hold down the one end to straighten out the strata. I let them dry over night.
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Once that was dry I proped it up against the backdrop wall.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com//RLF/HOn30/quarryline13.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com//RLF/HOn30/quarryline15.JPG)
I put the first coat of color on it. I mixed up some "parchment" color acrylic paint with some water and Durham Water putty and had at it. This gives me a base color.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline16.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline17.JPG)
The bottom wall supporting the tracks was done differently. I used the flat of ceiling tile and not the edge. These are the tools of destruction.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline18.JPG)
I first slice the tile with a box cutter. Be careful and keep your fingers clear.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline19.JPG)
Next a little ruffing up with the saw blade.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline20.JPG)
Then a vigorous scrubbing with a still wire brush.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline21.JPG)
And there you have it. A sort of stratified wall. Some paint and you're all set.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/quarryline22.JPG)
Here is a whole set of pictures. I've made them small so they load faster on the forum. I've included the link to larger pictures under each picture in case you want a closer look.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/RLF/HOn30/Scenery/thumbnail/IMG_3097.JPG)
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Okay, I'm sure everybody is suffering from picture overload right about now. So will give it a rest until tomorrow. I'll warn you now, I've got another picture overload for tomorrow.
Until then.
Bernd
Very nice scenery modeling.
Hello Bernd, thanks for the tutorial on your rock walls. Don't worry about a picture overload, as a certain someone always says " We love pictures ". Looking forward to more. Glad you're doing some actual modeling now. It looks great. Jeff
Thanks Curt and Jeff. This was actually done quite a while ago. I'm just catching you guys up to where I am today. It would have been hard to just come in at the point I'm at today and explain how I got here. Plus this is helping me get things in better order and hopefully motivate me to do more once I'm all caught up on these projects.
Glad you're not bored by the pictures more to come.
Bernd
Very imaginative use of acoustical ceiling tile Bernd.....looks great. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on February 14, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
Very imaginative use of acoustical ceiling tile Bernd.....looks great. 8)
Gregory,
I can't take credit for the use of ceiling tile. That was written up in either MR or RMC many years ago. I think the method sort of got lost over the years with all the newer scenery techniques that have come out over the years.
Bernd
The wall to the left of the finished wall, behind the planned pit, I was going to try a different method with the ceiling tile. I glued up 1 1/2" wide strips and was going to give them the wire brush treatment. Never finished and am now contemplating changing the whole scene. The next three pictures show the method used.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingstonemodelworks.com%2FRLF%2FHOn30%2Fquarryline28.JPG&hash=c8877da2f1c1fc123eae1dc199c47e21fd4109de)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingstonemodelworks.com%2FRLF%2FHOn30%2Fquarryline27.JPG&hash=e5e221c15b9db1f72006240e3cdd3c6c6313500b)
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After spending some time on wall construction I needed a break and do something else. While cleaning up a section of the basement I came across a project I had started. This is the base that was once a bird feeder project that never got finished. The auger part was a tryout to see if I could make a auger using my lathe. The drive motor with gearbox is a Tamyia planetary gearbox. It was purchased from Pololu Robotics & Electronics and was originally going to be used to power the Walthers Rotary Dumper project.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingstonemodelworks.com%2FHOn30QRR%2Fquarryline31.JPG&hash=ea3d3e02ea903334326cdbe47f0cdcb9186ed7ef)
This what a planetary gear box looks like.
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The auger and gear motor rough assembled.
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The upper portion was originally to hold a one gallon plastic jug turned upside down to allow bird feed to run out onto the base. The one gallon plastic jug is not going to be used.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingstonemodelworks.com%2FHOn30QRR%2Fquarryline33.JPG&hash=78bda4a870dcdf43000dce07475447198a435736)
Looking down into the holding bin. I added four slope sheets and a small funnel to funnel the stone into the auger.
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This is the place where the bin will be located. Height still needs to be determined.
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If the motor was mounted to the wood it would have been a sounding board. I poured a rubber base using Smooth-On silicone rubber casting material with screws buried in the rubber to be able to fasten the motor to.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kingstonemodelworks.com%2FHOn30QRR%2Fquarryline41.JPG&hash=cbc4ec925f7719caea77783d06ba9bbd971d7d93)
The motor fastened on the rubber base.
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Parts for the new setup. 1" diameter pipe with hole for the funnel to fight in. The auger and the end cap, yet to be modified to hold the free end of the auger in the proper position.
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Auger attached.
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Pipe slide over auger and secured with straps and bedded in hot glue.
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Bin located over hole in pipe.
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Parts for the free end support of the auger.
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Stub end on support bracket fits in hole on auger.
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Support bracket soldered onto half a pipe connector.
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Showing end support bracket and closeness of auger flights to pipe bottom.
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A short video showing that the auger works.
https://youtu.be/4pfcfvqNEuc (https://youtu.be/4pfcfvqNEuc)
So I finally got the auger working to the way I wanted. This will load a conveyor that will go to the top of the rock storage bins and then be distributed to the different bins.
Next time around I'll show how i'm going to construct the rock crusher building. It will be a scratch build project. It is still under construction at this point.
Until then.
Bernd
Bernd,
That auger and loader is quite something. It will be an eye catcher for sure.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 14, 2021, 05:28:03 PM
Bernd,
That auger and loader is quite something. It will be an eye catcher for sure.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom. I'm hoping I can pull it off.
Bernd
Continuing on. With the background wall done it was time to figure out where to locate the rock crusher building. I had found an article in Model Railroader on a rock crusher that would fit nicely in this spot. I made a mock up of foam board to help visualize how it would all go together. There are to be two loading tracks under the rock bunker. I already have another plan that I found in Model Railroader magazine for the rock bunker. Both of these buildings will be scratch built and I plan on doing a thread on there build as I get to them.
Here's the layout that I started out with.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/137.JPG)
The idea is to load the rock bin via a conveyor belt. I had built this conveyor structure earlier to get some idea of building a working conveyor is HO scale.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/138.JPGG)
The idea here was a track coming from the quarry and would empty the cars into the jaw crusher with perhaps a small rotary car dumper.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/139.JPG)
An almost complete picture of what I had, notice I said had, in my mind.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/139.JPG)
After placing the holding bin with the auger, it just didn't feel right.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/141.JPG)
I moved the crusher building closer to the edge of the layout. I added a second stub end track for the unloading of cars leaving the main line clear for other trains coming from the quarry. Something still didn't seem right.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/142.JPG)
I still hadn't decided about the rock bin structure at this point since I was concentrating on getting the crusher building in the right spot. Moving back in to butt up against the stub end unloading tracks now gave me room for what I need to do to hide the loading of the conveyor belt from the auger.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/143.JPG)
Not being quite sure of the angle the working conveyor could be at to function properly I moved the building to within about a foot of the wall to the right.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/144.JPG)
A quick mock up of what was to be the rock bins.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/145.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/146.JPG)
Not being happy with what I saw in the last two pictures I drew up in HO scale what is to be the new rock bin base structure from the rock bin article
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/147.JPG)
Getting closer to what I had in my mind's eye I built the shell of the rock crusher building and came to the conclusion I would need to add onto the building. There is going to be a shed to hide the auger and conveyor belt.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/148.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/149.JPG)
(continued in a bit)
Seems like I ran into a posting limit. I'll try and post the rest of the thread later.
Bernd
Continued from previous post. Discovered the problem was on my end.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/150.JPG)
Here is the final decision on the placement of the everything.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/Modelrs%20Froum/HOn30quarryline/Crusher%20Building/151.JPG)
That's about it for getting the layout of the scene finalized. There may still be some small changes done as the scene gets closer to being finished.
Next I'll get into some preliminary experimenting I did to build the rock crusher building. I'll introduce a material that I have not yet seen being used in model building.
Until next time.
Bernd
I've started a thread in the "Scratch Build Section" on building the rock crusher building.
LINK: http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=5670.0 (http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=5670.0)
Bernd
It's been a little over four years since I posted anything on this thread. With the Railroad Line forum gone I'll carry on here with this thread.
Back in March of 2022 I did a basement redo. I won't bore you with the details of moving the metal and wood working machines to their new area. I did move the quarry line and built new bench work for it.
Here's a drawing of the basement showing from where the quarry line was and where it was moved to.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/Qmove.JPG)
A graphic picture of the mess during the basement redo.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/29.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/30.JPG)
This was the original start many years ago of the layout, a 4X8 size. I was going to start with Rochester Jct. of the Lehigh Valley line. I figure I could put that to good use incorporating it into the quarry line.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/4X8-1.JPG)
Moving it was real easy. I removed the leg's super structure and it folded up nicely to move.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/4X8-5.JPG)
Reassembled it midway between the two walls, from where the quarry line was to where it will be from now on.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/4X8-12.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/4X8-13.JPG)
There's going to be a height difference between the 4X8 section and the new quarry line benchwork.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/4X8-15.JPG)
I didn't like the old construction of the benchwork so I built new benchwork using the Kreg Assembly method.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/IMG_0007.JPG)
Once assembled it was mounted to the wall at a height of 39" to the top of the foam board.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/IMG_0017.JPG)
The plywood added.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/IMG_00018.JPG)
Once I had the foam glued down I added the old backdrop, added different levels of track and laid out approximately where the stone crusher will be located.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0001.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0002.JPG)
Three levels of track. The first one on the left is basically a main line. The middle track is an incline down to the right track which will be the unloading of rocks brought in from the quarry.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0003.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0004.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0005.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0006.JPG)
The loaded cars will come down the incline behind the engine since they don't have brakes. Then back to the dumper (yet to be designed and built).
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0007.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0008.JPG)
The top track will run from the quarry on the right to the wall where the crusher was originally. There it will interchange loads with the standard gauge line.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0009.JPG)
The upper track will curve to the left on to the 4X8 section.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0010.JPG)
I extended the mainline to a narrow extending shelf where I'll hand load the cars. I plan on animating the dumping of quarry rock, sending it to the crusher where it will be dumped. The bin in earlier pictures is a hopper that will then auger the crushed gravel into the rock bins to then be loaded into the cars below the bins.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0011.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0012.JPG)
Here's a side view of the conveyor and the Plexiglas storage bins.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0013.JPG)
In order to hide the bin that will hold the crushed rock I needed to build a high wall. I started out by using 1" foam to build a wall.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0014.JPG)
On the bottom I added three stone castings to hold back the wall.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0015.JPG)
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0016.JPG)
Next I used ceiling tile to stimulate rock layers.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0017.JPG)
I'm adding a curve to the strata to make it look like it heaved millions of years ago.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0018.JPG)
Here's the crusher building, conveyor and rock bin in approximate position.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com/HOn30QRR/Quarry%20move/QM_0019.JPG)
I'll be working on finishing the wall in the coming days.
Until then.
Bernd
Fun to see this take shape! I should take a break from the models and maybe tackle the corner of my layout with the slate quarry...
dave
Neat up thrust rock formation, great progress Bernd..... 8)
Quote from: deemery on February 23, 2025, 06:32:43 PMFun to see this take shape! I should take a break from the models and maybe tackle the corner of my layout with the slate quarry...
dave
Thanks Dave. Wish it would go a little faster.
Bernd
Quote from: GPdemayo on February 24, 2025, 08:46:28 AMNeat up thrust rock formation, great progress Bernd..... 8)
Thanks Gregory. When I did the original before I moved the quarry to the other wall Bill Gill advised that I should put a curve in as strata is never that straight. I think it'll add interest to that large portion of wall.
Bernd
I still must hand it to you folks who do such nice work on your layouts vs folks like me who only construct building models. Much work has to be planned in advance to incorporate your thoughts into actual displays of well- thought out procedures, to arrive at your finish line. And everything looks great too.
Rich
Quote from: Bernd on February 24, 2025, 11:43:59 AMQuote from: GPdemayo on February 24, 2025, 08:46:28 AMNeat up thrust rock formation, great progress Bernd..... 8)
Thanks Gregory. When I did the original before I moved the quarry to the other wall Bill Gill advised that I should put a curve in as strata is never that straight. I think it'll add interest to that large portion of wall.
Bernd
Well, how straight the strata is depends very much on where you live. If you're in the big middle of the US, the strata are pretty even, laid down by prehistoric oceans. On either coast, where mountains are or were, strata are deeply folded. And in between, strata tend to be bent by the forces from the oceans that get pushed up against the Great Plains....
If you want to see nice exposed level strata, look at the coastlines of the Great Lakes.
dave
Quote from: Pennman on February 25, 2025, 04:51:42 PMI still must hand it to you folks who do such nice work on your layouts vs folks like me who only construct building models. Much work has to be planned in advance to incorporate your thoughts into actual displays of well- thought out procedures, to arrive at your finish line. And everything looks great too.
Rich
I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you very much Rich. I always marvel at how to can build a structure by just looking at a picture. We each have our own area of talent.
Bernd
Quote from: deemery on February 25, 2025, 05:25:13 PMQuote from: Bernd on February 24, 2025, 11:43:59 AMQuote from: GPdemayo on February 24, 2025, 08:46:28 AMNeat up thrust rock formation, great progress Bernd..... 8)
Thanks Gregory. When I did the original before I moved the quarry to the other wall Bill Gill advised that I should put a curve in as strata is never that straight. I think it'll add interest to that large portion of wall.
Bernd
Well, how straight the strata is depends very much on where you live. If you're in the big middle of the US, the strata are pretty even, laid down by prehistoric oceans. On either coast, where mountains are or were, strata are deeply folded. And in between, strata tend to be bent by the forces from the oceans that get pushed up against the Great Plains....
If you want to see nice exposed level strata, look at the coastlines of the Great Lakes.
dave
I get to see that every time we go up I-81 to the Thousand Islands in the summer. That's why I'm using ceiling tile to make it look like strata since my railroad is located in New Yorkistan. The ceiling tile bends easily if you soak in water.
Bernd
Bernd
Just getting caught up here Bernd.
Looks like a great start!
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on February 28, 2025, 09:32:12 AMJust getting caught up here Bernd.
Looks like a great start!
Jerry
Thanks Jerry. Been working on some scenery items.
Bernd
Bernd,
Nice to see you back at things here.
The rocks in upstate NY where you live and I grew up are for the most part flat-lying without noticeable folding or faulting. I believe they dip gently to the south but I could be misremembering.
There are some very gentle folds but so broad as to be generally unnoticeable to the eye at a single location. I suppose you might see some subtle wrinkles in the strata at the large limestone quarries in the Buffalo area.
Mike
Quote from: Michael Hohn on March 02, 2025, 09:24:29 AMBernd,
Nice to see you back at things here.
The rocks in upstate NY where you live and I grew up are for the most part flat-lying without noticeable folding or faulting. I believe they dip gently to the south but I could be misremembering.
There are some very gentle folds but so broad as to be generally unnoticeable to the eye at a single location. I suppose you might see some subtle wrinkles in the strata at the large limestone quarries in the Buffalo area.
Mike
Mike,
Ya, I found a new home here and plan on staying. I'll annoy the modelers here for now, MRH isn't that much fun to post modeling ideas. Over there they are more into operations and electronics.
I don't see it some much in my area here as I do going up to the 1000 Islands. I've been wanting to stop along the way and takes pictures, maybe this year. You get up into the Niagara area, I think it's route 190 North you'll see the strata and I think your right it's a north/south strata and not much been to it.
Bernd
8) Build me a Shay! ;)
Good seeing these again Bernd!
Philip
Quote from: Philip on March 02, 2025, 10:44:41 AM8) Build me a Shay! ;)
Good seeing these again Bernd!
Philip
More to come.
On my workbench this Sunday. I got a load of corrugated sheets to work on the upper portion of the crusher building. I was going to use board-n-batten. After a year it looks like they shrunk and left a wide split. I used double sided transfer tape to fasten the sheets. I was going to make new sides but decided I could use the old ones and just cover them up with the corrugated sheets like a real building might do. Anyway as I loaded the last sheet on the back of the VW crew cab I stuck it through the rear window. Gonna' be a cold ride home. >:( :'( :(
IMG_0001.JPG
Bernd
Bernd,
This is looking good. I have many of the cinder block sheets but haven't used them yet on any project. I think I need to try them now. I have an old metal boiler kit that can easily be turned into a block structure.
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 03, 2025, 08:41:36 AMBernd,
This is looking good. I have many of the cinder block sheets but haven't used them yet on any project. I think I need to try them now. I have an old metal boiler kit that can easily be turned into a block structure.
Tom
Tom,
Those are real blocks. I used "soap stone" to make those. There are over 1,000 blocks in just the front and one side of the building. Looks like I'll need to post how I did all that. Perhaps I should start the next post on how I built the bottom part of the building. I had it posted on the Railroad Line Forum but that's all gone now.
Bernd
My old VW had 2 temps. Fry or freeze! Looking great!
Quote from: Bernd on March 03, 2025, 08:55:44 AMQuote from: ACL1504 on March 03, 2025, 08:41:36 AMBernd,
This is looking good. I have many of the cinder block sheets but haven't used them yet on any project. I think I need to try them now. I have an old metal boiler kit that can easily be turned into a block structure.
Tom
Tom,
Those are real blocks. I used "soap stone" to make those. There are over 1,000 blocks in just the front and one side of the building. Looks like I'll need to post how I did all that. Perhaps I should start the next post on how I built the bottom part of the building. I had it posted on the Railroad Line Forum but that's all gone now.
Bernd
Bernd,
Amazing, they look fantastic and to me I thought they were embossed paper.
Well done for sure.
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 03, 2025, 10:09:10 AMBernd,
Amazing, they look fantastic and to me I thought they were embossed paper.
Well done for sure.
Tom
Tom,
I just found that I had already started a thread on this building. I started a thread back in February of 2021 on this build in the "Scratchbuilding" section. You even made comments on it back then.
Here's the link: https://modelersforum.com/index.php? topic=5670.0 (https://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=5670.0)
I had another modeler interested in the build. I remembered I'd done a thread on the defunct Railroad Lines. My search turned up that I had also done one here. So no need for me to go into how I did that build. I'll continue on with the upper portion of this scratch build story.
Bernd
Deleted. Already posted a link to the beginning of this build.
B
At the workbench this weekend.
Started to glue corrugated panels on the upper portion of the crusher building.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com//HOn30QRR/crusher-170.JPG)
Time to go get more panels.
(https://www.kingstonemodelworks.com//HOn30QRR/crusher-171.JPG)
Bernd
Time to go get more panels.
Roll on, Bernd!
dave
Quote from: Bernd on March 03, 2025, 11:00:47 AMQuote from: ACL1504 on March 03, 2025, 10:09:10 AMBernd,
Amazing, they look fantastic and to me I thought they were embossed paper.
Well done for sure.
Tom
Tom,
I just found that I had already started a thread on this building. I started a thread back in February of 2021 on this build in the "Scratchbuilding" section. You even made comments on it back then.
Here's the link: https://modelersforum.com/index.php? topic=5670.0 (https://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=5670.0)
I had another modeler interested in the build. I remembered I'd done a thread on the defunct Railroad Lines. My search turned up that I had also done one here. So no need for me to go into how I did that build. I'll continue on with the upper portion of this scratch build story.
Bernd
Bernd,
Yes, I remember the thread and the soap stone blocks.
Tom
Looks good, Bernd.