Well, here I am again off on another one of my adventures. This time it is at the request of a very good friend and charter member of the SBG (Saturday Butty Group) John Mancuso. We all know John as CUSE on the forum.
John called me one afternoon and offered me a proposal I couldn't refuse. He offered me a dozen+ Tortoise turnouts in exchange for decaling and weathering his new HOn3, C-19 Class 2-8-0 consolidation. After speaking with John, I made the decision that the offer he made me wasn't fair to him. I mean decaling and weathering a small loco (and caboose by the way) is a very small task for me.
I decided in order to make the deal fair, I asked John if he wanted the old time FSM passenger station I aquired from Reading Bob. As you all are quite aware, Reading Bob is one fantastic model builder. I had the kit and Bob told me he would take the unbuilt kit for his built one. I housed the station for a few years and now Mancuso is the proud owner of another one of Reading Bob's fantastic builds. Anyway, I'm not sure the station had any drool spatters on it by the time it made its way to John's layout.
Here is a picture of the loco prototype.
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Also, John was able to get his hands on a set of decals either from the King, Dave Frary or Bob Hayden. John can fill you in on the details of the decal acquisition. The decals are left over from the Thatcher's Inlet and the Carrabasset & Dead River River Ry.. The decal have to be at least 35+ years old. I'll need to be extremely careful in appling these to the model. Here are the famous decals. NOTE: I had to darken the decal sheet so you are able to view the decals.
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Continued in a few.
Here is the loco. I sure hope I don't screw this one up!
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And here is the casboose.
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Decal and weathering considerations later!
Tom ;D
Thats a very sweet little locomotive.
Quote from: clevermod01 on October 05, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Thats a very sweet little locomotive.
Thom,
Thanks for checking in on the adventure. Yes, it is one sweet little loco. almost makes me want to switch, but not quite. ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 05, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: clevermod01 on October 05, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Thats a very sweet little locomotive.
Thom,
Thanks for checking in on the adventure. Yes, it is one sweet little loco. almost makes me want to switch, but not quite. ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Tom
You don't have to switch just add an HOn3 branch line to your layout. It is a great looking locomotive.
Yes. It is a spectacular RTR little beauty! Blackstone is the sole reason I switched to HOn3 from HOn30. The opportunity to get a finely-tuned, well-detailed, sound-equipped backwoodsy little engine trumped all else for me and pretty well addressed all of the operational headaches I was experiencing with my layout.
However, my heart is still in the Maine woods with the rails 30" apart. That's why I wanted to letter my loco for the railroad that inspires me above all others, the late 70's version of Frary & Hayden's Carrabasset & Dead River Ry. My friend David Fugere has several HOn30 cars lettered for the C&DR, so I asked him who made his decals. He told me Dave Frary did! Many years ago, they were both members of a club in New England. I had met Dave at the EXPO and CSS a few times and I had his email, so I asked him where I could purchase C&DR decals. He responded the same night that he had one set left and that he would send them out the next day. I had them within a few days!
I had also reached out to Bob Hayden. When Bob responded, I told him Dave had sent me some and Bob warned me to be very careful as the decals were likely decades old. Coincidentally, when I switched to HOn3, I purchased bulletproof Peco track with sprung points, so I could happily abandon my Tortoise installation burden. The stars were aligned...
Somehow, I came out of this lovefest with a FSM station too ;D
John
And, that folks, is the rest of the story from the Cuse himself.
Tom ;D
Quote from: S&S RR on October 05, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 05, 2014, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: clevermod01 on October 05, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
Thats a very sweet little locomotive.
Thom,
Thanks for checking in on the adventure. Yes, it is one sweet little loco. almost makes me want to switch, but not quite. ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Tom
You don't have to switch just add an HOn3 branch line to your layout. It is a great looking locomotive.
John,
Hhmmmmm!!! The possibilities??? One just never knows.
Tom ;D
Great loco.
Over the years I've had pretty good luck with old decals by sealing them with dull cote and then handle as usual.
I use solvaset for putting them down but the stuff has an alcohol base so if you can't smell the alcohol don't use it. Replace it.
Good luck
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on October 05, 2014, 10:11:06 PM
Great loco.
Over the years I've had pretty good luck with old decals by sealing them with dull cote and then handle as usual.
I use solvaset for putting them down but the stuff has an alcohol base so if you can't smell the alcohol don't use it. Replace it.
Good luck
Bob
Bob,
Thanks for checking in and offering the advise. I've used the dull coat method in the past with fairly good results.
I'm going to try a decal I won't be using to see how it comes off the paper prior to using the dull coat. I'll report on this later in the build.
Tom ;D
Neat looking loco Tom.....looking forward to seeing your work and a SBG trip to John's to watch it run. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 06, 2014, 08:42:32 AM
Neat looking loco Tom.....looking forward to seeing your work and a SBG trip to John's to watch it run. 8)
Gregory,
Thanks for checking in. It will be a fun project and I'm off to a slow start but it will get going soon.
Tom ;D
Tell Cuse to not get his panties in a wad!!
You're busy fixin' hot juice problems on your crossover!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: gnatshop on October 11, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
Tell Cuse to not get his panties in a wad!!
You're busy fixin' hot juice problems on your crossover!! ;D ;D ;D
Gman,
I have an idea, YOU tell Cuse what you said above. Oh, wait, I guess you just did. 8) 8) 8)
Tom ;D
Quick update:
I had some time this afternoon between projects to begin the decaling process. We previously mentioned the decals are about 35+ years old and the concern was would they hold together or break up when soaked in the water and applied.
These decals are one of a kind and I wasn't going to take the chance of ruining them. Of course, I had the option of spraying the decals with Dull Coat to prevent the break up.
The great news is that I cut one small decal out and soaked in the water and it wasn't an issue of breaking up at all! The decals were as good as new and I had no problem applying them. No photos as yet but they will soon follow.
Tom ;D
Tom...
That's great........ I've seen old decals go either way. Usually the more difficult to replace the more problems I have.
Murphy wrote extensively on this subject. Then of course O'Toole chimed in and said that Murphy was an optimist.
see ya
Bob
Let me know how the decals work out, I re-created the C&D logo about 20 years ago for Hayden, so if they need to be reprinted I maybe able too help out.
Hal
We love pictures! ;)
Great news on the decals...That Frary does good work!
Thanks Tom
John
I got a glimpse of the engine (and caboose) last week and it sure is a sweet looking little thing. I can't wait to see running around on John's layout after Tom does his thing to it. It's going to be a sight to behold. :D
Quote from: ReadingBob on October 17, 2014, 07:19:32 AM
I got a glimpse of the engine (and caboose) last week and it sure is a sweet looking little thing. I can't wait to see running around on John's layout after Tom does his thing to it. It's going to be a sight to behold. :D
What Bob said..... 8)
Quote from: bparrish on October 16, 2014, 05:54:27 PM
Tom...
That's great........ I've seen old decals go either way. Usually the more difficult to replace the more problems I have.
Murphy wrote extensively on this subject. Then of course O'Toole chimed in and said that Murphy was an optimist.
see ya
Bob
Bob,
Yes, the decals could have very easily gone the other way. We were fortunate this time around. Murphy must have forgotten I had the old decals. ;D ;D ;D
Tom ;D
Quote from: halrey on October 16, 2014, 06:38:48 PM
Let me know how the decals work out, I re-created the C&D logo about 20 years ago for Hayden, so if they need to be reprinted I maybe able too help out.
Hal
Hal,
Thank you for the offer and for following along on the adventure. The decals were no problem at all. They appear as if Champ did them last week. I'm not sure who did these but they are still very fresh. I had no problem at all in applying them to the loco even after all the passage of time.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Cuse on October 16, 2014, 08:20:54 PM
We love pictures! ;)
Great news on the decals...That Frary does good work!
Thanks Tom
John
John,
You are very welcome Butty. I'll get some pictures up this weekend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ReadingBob on October 17, 2014, 07:19:32 AM
I got a glimpse of the engine (and caboose) last week and it sure is a sweet looking little thing. I can't wait to see running around on John's layout after Tom does his thing to it. It's going to be a sight to behold. :D
Ah, another Butty checks in. I'll be starting the weathering process this weekend. Thanks for following along.
Tom ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 17, 2014, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: ReadingBob on October 17, 2014, 07:19:32 AM
I got a glimpse of the engine (and caboose) last week and it sure is a sweet looking little thing. I can't wait to see running around on John's layout after Tom does his thing to it. It's going to be a sight to behold. :D
What Bob said..... 8)
And a third Butty checks in on the adventure. Thanks for all the support. It sure is good to have friends, all four of them!
Tom ;D
Pictures!!
Please ;)
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on October 17, 2014, 12:20:39 PM
Pictures!!
Please ;)
Patience grasshopper, patience! They are a'comin.
Tom ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 17, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
Quote from: GPdemayo on October 17, 2014, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: ReadingBob on October 17, 2014, 07:19:32 AM
I got a glimpse of the engine (and caboose) last week and it sure is a sweet looking little thing. I can't wait to see running around on John's layout after Tom does his thing to it. It's going to be a sight to behold. :D
What Bob said..... 8)
And a third Butty checks in on the adventure. Thanks for all the support. It sure is good to have friends, all four of them!
Tom ;D
Hey.....what are friends for? ;D
The decaling is now complete but I forgot to show you what I did prior to applying the decals. I used blue painters tape to cover the areas I didn't want to cover with a gloss coat.
I like to use the blue painters tape and unlike the old masking tape trick, this tape doesn't leave any tape residue.
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I used Testors Spray Lacquer for the gloss coat.
PLEASE NOTE: I sprayed the clear laquer on an old boxcar to test the viscosity of the paint. In other words, I wanted to know how the paint would spray from the can prior to using it on the loco. This is a good practice to have as I've found different cans of the same spray may have different spray patterns or better yet, spray volume.
Okay, you've been warned!
Continued in a few.
I let the clear laquer dry for an hour and removed the tape. I then let the loco and caboose dry for the next twenty four hours.
I cut the decals from the sheet and soaked them in room temp. water for about one minute. Just prior to removing the decal from the water, I used a soft bristle brush and applied a small amount of Champ Decal Set on the area to be decaled. Microscale Micro Set can also be used for the decal setting solution. I just happen to like the Champ Decal Set. Note: Champ is no longer available.
I applied the decal, let it set for about an hour and then applied the Champ Decal Set over the decal to let it really set. Here are the results.
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Nice Tom!
And here is the caboose with it's nice new herald for the Carrabasset & Dead River Ry.
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I applied the caboose decal in the same manner as I did with the loco. However, this decal is applied over a vertical board by board sided area. When the decal set overnight, I used a #11 Xacto blade and carefully cut the decal along the vertical lines of the wood. I then applied more decal setting solution, twice to be exact, so the decal appears to be stenciled on the side.
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Quote from: halrey on October 17, 2014, 07:28:25 PM
Nice Tom!
Hal,
Thank you, much appreciated and thanks for following along.
Tom ;D
The decal sheet I received from John was in fantastic condition considering the age; however, it didn't have any numbers for the front of the smoke box or the number boards.
John wanted the loco decaled #101 but there were only two #1's on the sheet. So, easy peasy, we decided to decal the loco #102!
Back to the number boards. I went through my extensive decal supply and found numbers small and white enough to use on the number boards. The decals for the number boards came from a set of Champ Savannah & Atlanta Ry. decals. You can see them on the number boards below.
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The number plate on the front of the smoke box is larger than the number boards so the white #'s didn't look correct here. I found a set of Champ Southern Ry. (Delux Gold) decals and used the SRR tender decals for the #102 for the front of the smoke box. See photo below for another angle of the number boards and smoke box.
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I have a few more details for the loco John isn't counting on and these will be added prior to the weathering.
If you see in the pictures some dust or smudges on the loco and caboose they are from the decal process and handling. The loco will be cleaned prior to the weathering process so these "intruders" won't be glued to the loco and caboose when the weathering is applied.
Thanks for following and I hope the decaling process is of some help to those who hesitate to jump into the process.
Tom ;D
Spericence is the best teacher!
This is good advice, comin' from someone who has probly screwed up more than I have built!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fantastic Tom! and Thanks again to King Frary for being so generous and prompt with the decals. The quality of the people in this hobby never ceases to amaze me.
John
Quote from: gnatshop on October 17, 2014, 08:32:06 PM
Spericence is the best teacher!
This is good advice, comin' from someone who has probly screwed up more than I have built!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gman,
Thanks for stopping by, much appreciated. I have messed up my share of decaling and painting in the past. With a brass model you can strip it and start over, with one like this it a "first time or nothing" process.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Cuse on October 17, 2014, 09:27:53 PM
Fantastic Tom! and Thanks again to King Frary for being so generous and prompt with the decals. The quality of the people in this hobby never ceases to amaze me.
John
John,
You are welcome and thanks for the confidence in letting me detail this little beauty.
There are indeed some fantastic people and modelers in our hobby!
Tom ;D
John, based on Tom's recent comment - "I have a few more details for the loco John isn't counting on and these will be added prior to the weathering", I would check on what color he is paintin' his house!! ;D ;D ;D
More BS - I just like to gig you Floridy boys - wish I had met all of you before I left down there!!
I'm excited for the surprise...I'm hoping for a cone-shaped container of clam strips ???
I can't wait to see that thing chugging around your layout John. It's going to look great! ;D
Enough about Cuse's C-19, you're s'posed to have your camery out takin' pitures
of L'il Tommy paintin' his house!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
I'll have an update on the C-19 this weekend.
Tom ;D
Let's try this again. I wrote a comment and forgot to hit post. I must be getting old. Tom, Beautiful work on John's engine. Makes me want to dig out an engine and send it to you, but you have much too much on your plate. How about some more layout pictures? Can't wait to see the engine on john's layout.
Frank / Erieman
A big Whoa NELLY!!!
Quote from: gnatshop on October 23, 2014, 11:02:24 PM
John, based on Tom's recent comment - "I have a few more details for the loco John isn't counting on and these will be added prior to the weathering", I would check on what color he is paintin' his house!! ;D ;D ;D
More BS - I just like to gig you Floridy boys - wish I had met all of you before I left down there!!
Gman,
Thanks for stopping by again and possibly getting our friend John, Cuse, all worked up. He stopped by the other day and saw that I've indeed changed the color of the house. I'm not sure it will look good on his tiny loco.
I got away from the earth tones and painted the house a very pale pastel yellow, white trim around the windows and light taupe(sp) shutters.
Tom ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Cuse on October 24, 2014, 06:41:14 AM
I'm excited for the surprise...I'm hoping for a cone-shaped container of clam strips ???
Sorry, John, no cone shaped container or anything!
Tom 8)
Quote from: ReadingBob on October 24, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
I can't wait to see that thing chugging around your layout John. It's going to look great! ;D
Bob,
The good news is that I'm finished with the loco but just have to upload, crop, etc, etc. all the pictures and oh yes, update the thread.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Erieman on October 28, 2014, 03:17:55 PM
Let's try this again. I wrote a comment and forgot to hit post. I must be getting old. Tom, Beautiful work on John's engine. Makes me want to dig out an engine and send it to you, but you have much too much on your plate. How about some more layout pictures? Can't wait to see the engine on john's layout.
Frank / Erieman
Frank,
Thanks for stopping by. I've been very busy with the Babe's 1:1 house painting and now I'm finished with that, now to retired Dec. 31, 2014 and full time train stuff.
I'll add more layout pictures after I finish this thread whicdh should be in the next day or so if not today!
Dig out the loco and send it to me and we'll go from there as I never seem to lack the desire for a challenge.
John's loco looks fantastic. I give all the credit to the guy doing the thread. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tom 8)
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on October 29, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
A big Whoa NELLY!!!
LHC,
Thanks for checking in. I'm happy you are liking the thread and I'll be adding to it this afternoon.
Tom ;D
Well, I promised an update last weekend but other things just got in the way. Nuff said. Here is where I left off - the loco and caboose are both decaled.
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I wanted to add a few little touches for John on his little C&DR locomotive #102. Here is what I did to make it look more believable or prototypical.
I painted all the water handles red (Floquil). There were three, the one you see in the next photo and two (one each) on the pumps on the left side of the loco. These are on the right side of the photo below but not yet painted.
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The bell and whistle cluster were a bright polished brass color so I painted them with Floquil Brass to give it more of as dull appearance.
I also painted the outer edges of the number plate on smokebox front with Floquils Brass to highlight the plate.
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The air hoses on the front pilot and rear of the tender were painted a rubber color. The rubber color is by Model Masters and called, Rubber! Go figure. The air coupling was painted with Flouqil's Old Silver.
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The handrails and grabirons on the caboose are all grey in color and not very appealing. I painted the areas of the grabirons where a person would grab them Floquil Reefer Yellow.
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Okay, let's weather this little gem. I hope this doesn't become a long screed but I need to mention some weathering ideas/thoughts/concepts or whatever.
Weathering is very subjective in nature in reference to models. What one person sees as light weathering anothers may see as medium, medium heavy or even heavy.
When I was professionally painting brass for customers, I stopped asking about the degree of weathering as most didn't know what I meant. I then asked if they wanted the loco to look out shopped, used and clean, used and not clean, used but not abused or used and abused.
Here is my opinion on weathering.
Out shopped and no weathering - Brass Frisco 4-8-2. Greg DeMayo wants this loco when I go to meet the big Engineer in the sky!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg)
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Used and clean, light weathering - Plastic Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170120.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170120.jpeg)
Used and not clean, light to medium weathering. - Brass 2-10-0.
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Used, not abused, medium to heavy weathering - MTH USRA type 2-8-2
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Used and abused, Heavy weathering - Brass Pennsy I1 2-10-0
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More tomorrow - I hope.
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 09, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Greg DeMayo wants this loco when I go to meet the big Engineer in the sky!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg)
Tell L'il Greggy not to pull his tighty whiteys too tight!
You're just about to start the fun part of life!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tom,
Wonderful group of locomotives, definitely the work of a professional!!! John's locomotive already looks great, really looking forward to seeing the finished product!
Mmmmm, drooolllll!! Very nice Tom.
I think he's just torturing me now :o
John
Quote from: Cuse on November 09, 2014, 08:30:31 PM
I think he's just torturing me now :o John
Just wait! He's savin' the final pitures of the yeller locomotive and the taupe caboose! ;D ;D ;D
I'm enjoying the the thread - great work!
Quote from: gnatshop on November 09, 2014, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 09, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Greg DeMayo wants this loco when I go to meet the big Engineer in the sky!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg)
Tell L'il Greggy not to pull his tighty whiteys too tight!
You're just about to start the fun part of life!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gman,
Good to see you this morning. I wonder why Greg keeps asking me how I feel! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tom :o
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 09, 2014, 07:28:01 PM
Tom,
Wonderful group of locomotives, definitely the work of a professional!!! John's locomotive already looks great, really looking forward to seeing the finished product!
Jerry,
Thank you, much appreciated. I'll have more to add this afternoon and it turned out better than I thought.
Tom ;D
Quote from: coors2u on November 09, 2014, 08:19:39 PM
Mmmmm, drooolllll!! Very nice Tom.
Dustin,
Thanks very much. I appreciate you stopping by! I'll be adding to the thread this afternoon.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Cuse on November 09, 2014, 08:30:31 PM
I think he's just torturing me now :o
John
John,
The loco is finished and I'll give you a call this afternoon. I think I've tortured you enough by keeping the loco for a month+.
Tom ;D
Quote from: S&S RR on November 09, 2014, 11:16:20 PM
I'm enjoying the the thread - great work!
John,
Thank you, much appreciated. This has been a fun project.
Tom ;D
One thing I neglected to mention is that I personally believe that weathering has scale. What I mean by this is that I've found in the past a certain degree of weathering may look perfect for an O scale loco but the same weathering on a smaller HOn3 loco won't look as natural and may be overpowering. You can put a lot of rust coloring on a O scale loco and yet it looks very bad on the HOn3 loco.
I guess a picture is worth a thousand words. On Cuse's loco, I started the weatheirng process in reverse of what I normally do for HO locos. I started by using pastel chalks and then moved to the Floquil spray colors. I'll cover the Floquil in a later post on this thread.
The reason I did this is that the pastel chalks can be washed off/cleaned off and the spray can't unless you repaint the loco. I started by using a combination of three rust colors. Raw Sienna, Burnt Umber and Rust. These all came in a pack from Micro Mart. After I applied the "rust" colors I applied various shades of gray from light to dark. The grays were used on the areas of the loco that would gather dust and raod grime. The rusts were applied to the areas where the rust would form on the loco. Without naming all the loco parts I'll just show you in pictures with maybe a few comments.
In the next few photos you can see where I applied some rust color to the loco boiler, running boards, steam chest and front pilot.
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On the tender I applied some rust and grays.
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Remember, this is just the beginning of the weathering process. At this point don't worry about what it looks like. It will be more subtle when finished.
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I then used the light gray chalks and applied it to areas of the boiler and tender where water may be leaking. On the boiler this would be the steam dome, steam generator and various pipings.
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I then applied a heavier coat of rust colors to the boiler and tender.
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Continued in a few.
Here you can see I applied the same weathering to the other side and added more rust and grays to the left side around the pumps and piping.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114155256.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114155323.jpeg)
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Continued in a few.
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To be continued.
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When satisfied with the chalk dusting I moved to the Floquil weathering aspect of the process.
I used a special mix of Flouil paints for my grime, dust, dirt and etc. I use Floquils Grime, Mud and Aged Concrete. Yes, I said Aged Concrete. The concrete has a slight light mud look; however the Grime is the main color used.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181219.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181219.jpeg)
In a separate bottle, I mix 7 parts of Grime, 1 part Mud and 2 parts Aged Concrete. I used a small pipette (glass tube) for the "parts" mix and by part I mean only one squeeze of the black suction cup. I used the small one on the right, not the small one on the left. Although, you can use the one on the left if you want to make a lot of this mix, just use the formula mentioned above.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181238.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181238.jpeg)
And, here is the color mix I used for Cuse's loco with respect to the road grime, dirt, etc on the loco.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181301.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181301.jpeg)
Gman, was correct in that it does look a bit yellow in the photo. But have no worries John, the loco won't be yellow - I hope!
Continued in a few.
For my spray gun I use an old 40+ year old Binks sprayer. I have upgraded to a new compressor to get better control of the air pressure. It looks new because I take care of my tools of the trade.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181323.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181323.jpeg)
I have three of this type sprayer head. This one has a very small hole for the paint and air and perfect for this job. The other two have larger holes, one larger than the next.
Prior to painting anything, I always test the spray volume on a piece of cardboard or whatever I have handy. I do this as I want to know EXACTLY what is coming out and how much of it is spraying on the model. I said always and I mean it. The last thing you want is a big blob of paint coming out on a prized model or better yet, someone else's prized model like this one. In this case I used a small piece of Masonite/hardboard from the old layout for the testing.
NOTE: The main reason I do this as I take this time to get the spray adjusted so I know how it will spray on the model. In the following picture you can see how I've adjusted/tested the spray flow to my specific need. In this case, I adjusted the spray to almost a "ghost mist" as seen on the extreme right side of the Masonite.
Remember this is a small loco and a little weathering will go a long way!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181350.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181350.jpeg)
The next photo is like a forced perspective but it isn't meant to be. I'm just trying to show that I hold the spray gun about 8" to 12" from the model when the paint is applied.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181437.jpeg)
Thanks to all following. I'll be showing the rest of the weathering process tomorrow evening.
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 10, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181301.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181301.jpeg)
Gman, was correct in that it does look a bit yellow in the photo. But have no worries John, the loco won't be yellow - I hope!
Glad that you relieved John's mind - I was beginnin' to hear him singin' 'Yellow Locomotive, Yellow Locomotive' to the
tune of The Beatle's Yellow Submarine - that wasn't fun listenin' to what he called 'singin'!! ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 10, 2014, 06:49:08 PM
For my spray gun I use an old 40+ year old Binks sprayer. I have upgraded to a new compressor to get better control of the air pressure. It looks new because I take care of my tools of the trade.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181323.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181323.jpeg)
I have three of this type sprayer head. This one has a very small hole for the paint and air and perfect for this job. The other two have larger holes, one larger than the next.
Prior to painting anything, I always test the spray volume on a piece of cardboard or whatever I have handy. I do this as I want to know EXACTLY what is coming out and how much of it is spraying on the model. I said always and I mean it. The last thing you want is a big blob of paint coming out on a prized model or better yet, someone else's prized model like this one. In this case I used a small piece of Masonite/hardboard from the old layout for the testing.
NOTE: The main reason I do this as I take this time to get the spray adjusted so I know how it will spray on the model. In the following picture you can see how I've adjusted/tested the spray flow to my specific need. In this case, I adjusted the spray to almost a "ghost mist" as seen on the extreme right side of the Masonite.
Remember this is a small loco and a little weathering will go a long way!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181350.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181350.jpeg)
The next photo is like a forced perspective but it isn't meant to be. I'm just trying to show that I hold the spray gun about 8" to 12" from the model when the paint is applied.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181437.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181437.jpeg)
Thanks to all following. I'll be showing the rest of the weathering process tomorrow evening.
Tom
The old tools are very often the best tools. I use the tools from my Dad's tool box more often than the new stuff in mine. Enjoying the thread.
:) :D ;D
Looks great, excellent info as well.
Thanks Tom
John
Wow! :o That little engine looked good before Tom went to work on it. Now it looks GREAT! ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 09, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Okay, let's weather this little gem. I hope this doesn't become a long screed but I need to mention some weathering ideas/thoughts/concepts or whatever.
Weathering is very subjective in nature in reference to models. What one person sees as light weathering anothers may see as medium, medium heavy or even heavy.
When I was professionally painting brass for customers, I stopped asking about the degree of weathering as most didn't know what I meant. I then asked if they wanted the loco to look out shopped, used and clean, used and not clean, used but not abused or used and abused.
Here is my opinion on weathering.
Out shopped and no weathering - Brass Frisco 4-8-2. Greg DeMayo wants this loco when I go to meet the big Engineer in the sky!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170042.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170101.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170101.jpeg)
Used and clean, light weathering - Plastic Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170120.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170120.jpeg)
Used and not clean, light to medium weathering. - Brass 2-10-0.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170136.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-091114170136.jpeg)
Continued in a few.
Hey Tom.....as much as I would love to have that great steamer on the StL&D, I much prefer coming down to visit you and the A&S and drool. :)
Quote from: gnatshop on November 10, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 10, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181301.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181301.jpeg)
Gman, was correct in that it does look a bit yellow in the photo. But have no worries John, the loco won't be yellow - I hope!
Glad that you relieved John's mind - I was beginnin' to hear him singin' 'Yellow Locomotive, Yellow Locomotive' to the
tune of The Beatle's Yellow Submarine - that wasn't fun listenin' to what he called 'singin'!! ::) ::) ::)
Thanks Gman,
Now I can't get the dang song out of my mind. Here's one for you, Disney's "It's a small world"!
Anytime I can help, ya know.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Cuse on November 10, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
:) :D ;D
Looks great, excellent info as well.
Thanks Tom
John
John,
Thanks, I'll see you either Thursday or Friday!
Tom ;D
Quote from: ReadingBob on November 11, 2014, 07:40:01 AM
Wow! :o That little engine looked good before Tom went to work on it. Now it looks GREAT! ;D
Bob,
Thanks for checking in on the weathering. John will be taking possession of the little gem later in the week. Update later this evening.
Tom ;D
Hey Tom.....as much as I would love to have that great steamer on the StL&D, I much prefer coming down to visit you and the A&S and drool. (https://modelersforum.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) (http://modelersforum.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
Greg,
I understand but I'm just saying. I hope I out live you! I'll get to keep it longer that way! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Tom ;D
NOTE:
For those of you who PM'd or emailed me with your questions, I hope I was helpful. Also, I'm very honored and humble you want my to weather/paint or repair your locos but I just can't take on the work.
Also, please note I no longer paint and weather locos. I did it for some 35+ years but now spend the time working on the Atlantic & Southern, my railroad model. I will once in a blue moon paint brass or weather one for a Saturday Butty Group Member, SBG, but only if I have one of my own I'm painting.
John Mancuso, Cuse on the forum, is a member in good standing of the SBG. And, I've made an offer several years ago to Erieman (Frank Baker), to send me his basket case and have me paint, fix or whatever it needs. The offer is still open.
Other than that, I just don't have the time for any others.
Tom 8)
Let me mention more concerning the pastel chalks for weathering. I use these as they are easy to use and can be moved around on the model.
NOTE: It's probably not a good idea to use the Bragdon powders for weathering your looo. Bragdon powders are excellent for weathering but they contain an adhesive that bonds the powders to the loco paint, structures, etc. and can't be removed. Once applied, you have permanent pigment on the model. I would say that only experienced modelers, with regards to loco weathering, should use the Bragdon powders.
Here's an excellent piece of advice concerning weathering. Unless you have many years of experience weathering locos, start off with very little weathering on the model and add more as you go. It's easier to add more chalk than to remove to much chalk.
Also, take note that when the model is finished off with a flat or dull coat, the flat/dull coat will hide some of the weathering chalks.
Now that everyone is confused, I've done my part.
Tom ;D
With the spray nozzle set and using the grimy mix, I made a few horizontal passes on the loco drivers, tender trucks and lower sides of the tender and up under the running boards.
I then made a few light passes of paint vertically on the boiler, cab sides, tender sides and the end of the tender.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181502.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181523.jpeg)
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Continued in a few.
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John wanted the caboose weathered but not to the extreme as the loco. He wanted a caboose that was cared for but had a few days road grime. To achieve this effect, I made two passes on the caboose trucks and two passes on the lower sides of the caboose.
As you can see the weathering is very light on the sides of the caboose.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181652.jpeg)
I forgot to show you the front of the loco where the pilot was sprayed with the grime.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-101114181623.jpeg)
Continued in a few.
After the grimy colors dried I mixed a small bottle of Floquil Weathered Black and Grimy Black. I think these are the same color as I couldn't tell a difference but I made a mix of 50/50 anyway!
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Using the weathered black mix, I adjusted the spray in the same manner as I did the grimy colors. However, this time when sprayed, I made short vertical passes on the drivers, boiler, pilot, cab sides, steam chest, steam cylinders smoke stack, smoke box sides and tender sides.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164856.jpeg)
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Continued in a few.
On the caboose I made one pass on the sides and ends of the caboose. I made one pass on the trucks as well. Here is the finished caboose. I also made one pass down the top (not shown) of the caboose to represent coal soot.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164703.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164703.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164744.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164744.jpeg)
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Continued in a few.
Here are a few pictures of the almost finished look of the loco.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164820.jpeg)
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(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114165001.jpeg)
Continued in a few.
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Continued tomorrow.
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 11, 2014, 03:57:58 PM
NOTE:
For those of you who PM'd or emailed me with your questions, I hope I was helpful. Also, I'm very honored and humble you want my to weather/paint or repair your locos but I just can't take on the work.
Other than that, I just don't have the time for any others. Tom 8)
Naww, you don't!!
We're all waitin' to see trains rollin' around the Atlantic and Southern again!!!
Hopin' that full time retirement moves that up on the Priority List again - sorry to The Babe, but we're
a demandin' bunch!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
FANTASTIC!!
Can't wait to see it and hear it chugging through some scenery!
Very nice...John
Great job Tom..... 8)
We all live in a yellow locomotive, a yellow locomotive!
And our friends are all on board!!!
Sorry, couldn't help it, Tom!!
It got caught in my mind, too. And old times are sometimes the best!
Quote from: gnatshop on November 11, 2014, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 11, 2014, 03:57:58 PM
NOTE:
For those of you who PM'd or emailed me with your questions, I hope I was helpful. Also, I'm very honored and humble you want my to weather/paint or repair your locos but I just can't take on the work.
Other than that, I just don't have the time for any others. Tom 8)
Naww, you don't!!
We're all waitin' to see trains rollin' around the Atlantic and Southern again!!!
Hopin' that full time retirement moves that up on the Priority List again - sorry to The Babe, but we're
a demandin' bunch!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gman my good friend,
Trust me when I say, nobody wants to get the A&S going more than moi!
Tom ;D
Quote from: Cuse on November 11, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
FANTASTIC!!
Can't wait to see it and hear it chugging through some scenery!
Very nice...John
John,
I'm soory I kept the little gem so long. It should be on home rails later this afternoon.
Tom ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on November 12, 2014, 08:48:57 AM
Great job Tom..... 8)
Greg,
Thanks and much appreciated.
Tom ;D
Quote from: gnatshop on November 12, 2014, 11:21:46 PM
We all live in a yellow locomotive, a yellow locomotive!
And our friends are all on board!!!
Sorry, couldn't help it, Tom!!
It got caught in my mind, too. And old times are sometimes the best!
Gamn,
I do understand and yes, the old times do seem to be the best, but only at times.
Besides, "
It's a small world after all, it's a small world afterall". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs&feature=player_detailpage#t=94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs&feature=player_detailpage#t=94)
Tom ;D
Tom,
Absolutely wonderful finish to both the engine and the caboose. Thanks for the many tips and the insight into your techniques.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on November 13, 2014, 01:59:03 PM
Tom,
Absolutely wonderful finish to both the engine and the caboose. Thanks for the many tips and the insight into your techniques.
Jerry,
Thank you very much! I very much appreciate your comments and it was fun getting it weathered for Cuse! The loco returned to it's home rails this afternoon and I'm finishing the thread with more pictures after this repsonse.
Tom ;D
After the loco was weathered to my satisfaction, I let it sit for 24+ hours and then sprayed a coat of full strength Floquil Flat Finish on the loco.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173221.jpeg)
I chose Floquil Flat finish for one very important reason. From experience I'm advising/telling you, you want "FULL CONTROL"over the volume of the finish. If you use Testors Dull Coat, you will have no control over the amount of material coming from the nozzle of the can. Remember the photo I listed previously of the "ghost" grimy color. Floquil Flat Finish goes a long way with just a little. Testors Dull Coat spary nozzle will give you 5 times the amount you need. Just trust me on this!
My suggestion is to never use Testors Dull Coat on a model locomotive. If you have a spray gun/air brush, you can use the Scalecoat II Flat/Dull finish. You will get the control you need. Scalecoat is still available whereas Floquil isn't.
Anyway, after the flat finish was applied and dry I went back and used a #1 soft bristle brush and applied just the slighest amount of rust chalk to the following areas. The chalk was applied to the underside of the boiler along the top of the running boards, the lower portions of the cab, the front pilot, the lower portion of the pumps, the bottom portion of the tender and a few of the pipes. I used just a little of the light gray chalk on the pipe fitting and water plugs.
I believe you can see the added chalk in the following pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114172807.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114172825.jpeg)
Continued in a few.
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(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114172945.jpeg)
Continued in a few.
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(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173025.jpeg)
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(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173058.jpeg)
The C&DR C-19 Class 2-8-0 returned to home rails this afternoon. Cuse was very pleased and that in turn pleased me!
Thanks John for letting me weather you little gem!
Tom ;D
John must be a happy camper, and wootin' and tootin' about now!
Admiration to you for bein' such a good friend and doin' this awesome job for him!! ;D ;D ;D
Wonderful job on the locomotive and caboose, Tom.
Jeff
My little jewel made it back to its home rails from Tom's shops looking a bit worse for the wear (which was the mission).
Thanks Tom!
Great shot of it on the trestle.
Quote from: gnatshop on November 13, 2014, 07:51:17 PM
John must be a happy camper, and wootin' and tootin' about now!
Admiration to you for bein' such a good friend and doin' this awesome job for him!! ;D ;D ;D
Gman,
Thanks for following along.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on November 13, 2014, 07:52:34 PM
Wonderful job on the locomotive and caboose, Tom.
Jeff
Dr. Jeff,
Thank you, much apprecitated. It was a great little loco to work on.
Tom ;D
John,
You are very welcome and the layout is really looking great. Can't wait to see it all again.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 13, 2014, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: gnatshop on November 12, 2014, 11:21:46 PM
We all live in a yellow locomotive, a yellow locomotive!
And our friends are all on board!!!
Sorry, couldn't help it, Tom!!
It got caught in my mind, too. And old times are sometimes the best!
Gamn,
I do understand and yes, the old times do seem to be the best, but only at times.
Besides, "It's a small world after all, it's a small world afterall".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs&feature=player_detailpage#t=94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs&feature=player_detailpage#t=94)
Tom ;D
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....not Small World.......... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Tom - really great.
Quote from: GPdemayo on November 14, 2014, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: ACL1504 on November 13, 2014, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: gnatshop on November 12, 2014, 11:21:46 PM
We all live in a yellow locomotive, a yellow locomotive!
And our friends are all on board!!!
Sorry, couldn't help it, Tom!!
It got caught in my mind, too. And old times are sometimes the best!
Gamn,
I do understand and yes, the old times do seem to be the best, but only at times.
Besides, "It's a small world after all, it's a small world afterall".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs&feature=player_detailpage#t=94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs&feature=player_detailpage#t=94)
Tom ;D
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....not Small World.......... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Yes, unfortunately Gman started it with the yellow submarine stuff! You are just collateral damage. Sorry Butty! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Tom ;D
Quote from: jrmueller on November 14, 2014, 10:19:57 AM
Tom - really great.
Jim,
Good to see you my friend! Thank you, very much appreciated and I can't wait to see it on Cuse's layout! When I do, I'll add more photos here.
Tomj ;D