Good Morning All.

Thought I would bring everyone up to date of the buildings progress. First, Raymo and I have agreed that the clapboard siding is probably 4 1/2" versus two other larger sizes. With that information, I started to count. From the bottom of the building upwards to windows, doors, porches, etc... you get the idea. Then I multiplied the number of boards by 4.6 and divided by 12. Now you have the dimension, plus or minus a bit. I have been drawing both the front and side elevations, along with the top elevation. Boy, is this building big, I mean really BIG!!! Raymo commented that his numbers were +/- a foot or two. While his numbers come out to 113 feet, I have made it 115 feet long. One of the building additions just didn't look right. Just a little artistic license to make the building looked better. IMHO ( In my humble opinion)

In an earlier post, I inquired if anyone on the forum lived near or had a friend nearby to help on this project. Well, as luck would have it, Dave Emery has a friend in St. Johnsbury. Better yet, she is a librarian there. I am waiting to hear from here and discuss if she might be able to find some historical information on the structure. This is exciting. I hoping to hear from her soon to discuss this building project. Based on the current weather back there, she is probably staying close to the fireplace. Br-r-r-r-r.

Well, that's about all for now. Stay tuned.

Frank / Erieman

So-o-o, in the meantime, I count clapboard siding to get better dimensional information.

Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 12:04:03 PM
Good Morning All.

Thought I would bring everyone up to date of the buildings progress. First, Raymo and I have agreed that the clapboard siding is probably 4 1/2" versus two other larger sizes. With that information, I started to count. From the bottom of the building upwards to windows, doors, porches, etc... you get the idea. Then I multiplied the number of boards by 4.6 and divided by 12. Now you have the dimension, plus or minus a bit. I have been drawing both the front and side elevations, along with the top elevation. Boy, is this building big, I mean really BIG!!! Raymo commented that his numbers were +/- a foot or two. While his numbers come out to 113 feet, I have made it 115 feet long. One of the building additions just didn't look right. Just a little artistic license to make the building looked better. IMHO ( In my humble opinion)

In an earlier post, I inquired if anyone on the forum lived near or had a friend nearby to help on this project. Well, as luck would have it, Dave Emery has a friend in St. Johnsbury. Better yet, she is a librarian there. I am waiting to hear from here and discuss if she might be able to find some historical information on the structure. This is exciting. I hoping to hear from her soon to discuss this building project. Based on the current weather back there, she is probably staying close to the fireplace. Br-r-r-r-r.

Well, that's about all for now. Stay tuned.

Frank / Erieman

So-o-o, in the meantime, I count clapboard siding to get better dimensional information.

Anyone that counts clapboard siding for this hobby is a SERIOUS modeler!

Randy..

I think you are on to something here...

I've heard of rivet counters but never clapboard counters.

Are they clap counters? ? ? ?  Or simply board counters ? ? ? ? ?

staggers the imagination.

see ya
Bob

Quote from: Randee on January 08, 2015, 03:52:03 PM

Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 12:04:03 PM
Good Morning All.

Thought I would bring everyone up to date of the buildings progress. First, Raymo and I have agreed that the clapboard siding is probably 4 1/2" versus two other larger sizes. With that information, I started to count. From the bottom of the building upwards to windows, doors, porches, etc... you get the idea. Then I multiplied the number of boards by 4.6 and divided by 12. Now you have the dimension, plus or minus a bit. I have been drawing both the front and side elevations, along with the top elevation. Boy, is this building big, I mean really BIG!!! Raymo commented that his numbers were +/- a foot or two. While his numbers come out to 113 feet, I have made it 115 feet long. One of the building additions just didn't look right. Just a little artistic license to make the building looked better. IMHO ( In my humble opinion)

In an earlier post, I inquired if anyone on the forum lived near or had a friend nearby to help on this project. Well, as luck would have it, Dave Emery has a friend in St. Johnsbury. Better yet, she is a librarian there. I am waiting to hear from here and discuss if she might be able to find some historical information on the structure. This is exciting. I hoping to hear from her soon to discuss this building project. Based on the current weather back there, she is probably staying close to the fireplace. Br-r-r-r-r.

Well, that's about all for now. Stay tuned.

Frank / Erieman

So-o-o, in the meantime, I count clapboard siding to get better dimensional information.

Anyone that counts clapboard siding for this hobby is a SERIOUS modeler!

Randy,

Thanks for stopping by. I thought the comment about counting clapboard siding would raise something and you were the first. Well, I might be crazy, but St. Johnsbury, Vermont is a long way from Scottsdale, Arizona, so-o-o, I count boards. Besides, nobody I know would go out and measure anything this time of year. The photos that Raymo took are very well defined, so counting is not as bad as you think. Well, kinda. This is a big building and I am thinking I might have to use some selective compression to bring it down a bit. I'll know better in a couple of weeks. I will make a cardstock model from the drawing and then i can see what a monster the building really is. For now, it's counting clapboard sides and figuring out the building details. the trim around the roof is quite intricate. SRMW had a building that has some of the same feature that  are on this building. Delabarre Woolens has a very similar roof detail. Well, back to it, thanks for stopping by.

Frank / Erieman

Quote from: bparrish on January 08, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
Randy..

I think you are on to something here...

I've heard of rivet counters but never clapboard counters.

Are they clap counters? ? ? ?  Or simply board counters ? ? ? ? ?

staggers the imagination.

see ya
Bob

Bob,
How about a bored counter! It does work, but it is tedious. Thanks for stopping by. I will await another person who thinks I am nuts for counting, but he is on the night crew. We all know who he is!

Frank / Erieman

Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
Bob,
How about a bored counter! It does work, but it is tedious. Thanks for stopping by. I will await another person who thinks I am nuts for counting, but he is on the night crew. We all know who he is!
Frank / Erieman   

I think that it's a wonerfull idee, as long as I don't have to do the countin' and calcalatin'!
The Ledbetters can only count so high, and calcalatin' is a whole nuther world!!

The only thing that I spent that much time countin' was how many petticoats were under the gal's dresses
on Candy's dioramies!!!  I ain't givin' the final answer, but it was a bunch!! 

Whatever the final build will be,it will look fine. I'm sure Mr. VanGelder  moved a few things around to get the right look when doing his kits. As my late Father would say ,"We're all counting on Ya" Raymo

Quote from: gnatshop on January 08, 2015, 06:25:07 PM

Quote from: Erieman on January 08, 2015, 05:15:08 PM
Bob,
How about a bored counter! It does work, but it is tedious. Thanks for stopping by. I will await another person who thinks I am nuts for counting, but he is on the night crew. We all know who he is!
Frank / Erieman   

I think that it's a wonerfull idee, as long as I don't have to do the countin' and calcalatin'!
The Ledbetters can only count so high, and calcalatin' is a whole nuther world!!

The only thing that I spent that much time countin' was how many petticoats were under the gal's dresses
on Candy's dioramies!!!  I ain't givin' the final answer, but it was a bunch!! 

David,

I don't know how to address all your information, but its sounds like fun. Thanks for stopping by.

Frank / Erieman

Quote from: Raymo on January 08, 2015, 07:15:10 PM
Whatever the final build will be,it will look fine. I'm sure Mr. VanGelder  moved a few things around to get the right look when doing his kits. As my late Father would say ,"We're all counting on Ya" Raymo

Thanks Dan. No pressure here. I like the challenge for sure. The more that I look at it, I will have to use selective compression to make this baby smaller. It's your fathers comment that has me worried. Only kidding!!! I'm up for the challenge, just ask anybody.

Frank / Erieman

Giood Evening everyone,

Well, I have been working on the elevation drawings of the building ( top, side and front). After looking at the drawing for several days, I have decided to use some selective compression of the building, mostly in overall length. I have finished the end view and like what I see. The front view is partially complete and I think it will be fine. More about the overall design in a week or so.

I have asked the Historical Society in St. Johnsbury for any information about the building. The first bit of information is that the East End Market was once a meat market. While the sign on the north end of the building implied East End Market, it was unclear what type of market. That also explains the garage door on the north end of the building. Probably for shipping and receiving of meat boxed or carcasses. This offers some possible interesting features for the building.

Dan has blown up some details of the building which are quite interesting to model.  One the back of the roof on South extension is a gutter that HANGS from the roof. Dan and I have discussed this detail and wonder why it is hanging. If you look close, there appears to be some type of duct running right below the roof. The duct has two vents out to the back of the building. Another question. Isn't this fun trying to figure out why this was done? Well, back to the drawings.

More later...

Frank / Erieman

The St. Johnsbury Historical Society has been very helpful in seeking information on this building. Some of it has been by mail, some by email and several responses by folks that I have or need to talk with. That is ongoing. In the meantime, I am working on the drawings of the structure. As I may have mentioned, I am using some selective compression on the structure. I decided this after looking at the first drawing that I did. I think the current drawing is significantly better in relationship to scale. I have attached two drawings of the building's progress. The main building is missing the small building on the left end because the paper was too short. I have been told that portion of the building might have been a fire station. A horse drawn fire station. I am in process of confirming that. The second drawing is the North end of the building. I am holding off continuing the drawings until I have a chance to compile more information about the building. After looking at the drawing and sites on the layout, I have selected a site on the layout. To make matters more complex, I will be constructing the structure in reverse and backwards. Due to the elevation change, I want the higher portion of the building to be on the left. More on to the reason for this and the topography latter. In the meantime, enjoy.

Frank / Erieman 

Frank,

That is going to be one fantastic structure. I see another winner in the future.

Tom

Nice drawings. Which part of the building would have been the firehouse, the left end where there was a door or the middle where neither one of us was sure there was a garage type entry? Also the front of the building faces west and the end faces south, not that it matters.   DJR

Quote from: ACL1504 on January 14, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
Frank,

That is going to be one fantastic structure. I see another winner in the future.

Tom

Thanks Tom for your kind words. Looking forward to this build, but I have a lot of information still to acquire before I start the final build. This will be fun, no question. My plan is to build this over the summer and take it to the regional convention here in Scottsdale in September. Going to be busy year!!!

Frank / Erieman

Quote from: Raymo on January 14, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
Nice drawings. Which part of the building would have been the firehouse, the left end where there was a door or the middle where neither one of us was sure there was a garage type entry? Also the front of the building faces west and the end faces south, not that it matters.   DJR

Good Evening Dan, Glad you like the drawings. Ran out of room on the paper on the main building drawing to include the far left structure. I get the impression that the far left building was the firehouse. I'll know more when I get some information from Howard Reed. Several other people have mentioned the same thing. Sorry about my references to the compass. Force of habit to say that North is to my right. Now that you have given me the correct direction, it will be noted on the drawing and in any further references. The drawing that i have posted has been selectively compresses by about 10% in length only. I think it works much better. Several other views to draw and then I will have them copied so I can mount them to cardstock. Then I will build the cardstock model to reference the model in its environment,

Thanks for stopping by.

Frank / Erieman