Old track closeups

Started by jbvb, May 10, 2026, 10:37:43 PM

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jbvb

Seashore Trolley Museum's Main Line uses a lot of 85 lb. rail because it was a B&M standard and we could often get it free.  Today that's really light, even for light-rail transit.  Modern heavy duty track is almost all welded with rail between 115 lb/yard and 136 lb.  So I'll post pictures of items of potential modeling interest as they catch my eye. Others welcome.

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Side view of a sharp angle (maybe #4) bolted frog in (I think) 80 lb.

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Same frog disassembled for cleanout and 1 1/8 inch bolts instead of the 7/8" our predecessors used.

The flat bars with punched hooks are called Hook Plates. They're often seen in older turnouts.

James

Jerry

Very interesting James.  Thanks for the pictures and how they work.

Jerry
"And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." A. Lincoln

Rick

James, thanks for the pictures.
I've been wondering what kind of track work you've been doing.

KentuckySouthern

Old track can be facinating.  Any year markings on them? 

jbvb

Quote from: KentuckySouthern on May 11, 2026, 08:07:11 AMOld track can be facinating.  Any year markings on them? 
The rails are bent and drilled but otherwise I don't see marks.  The 5 blocks that space the points and wing rails have RACOR cast into them.  Ramapo Foundry was bought by American Brake Shoe in 1922. The closest I can come to a date is they were using the RACOR trade name by 1930 and we installed the frog in the 1980s.  These days RACOR is owned by voestalpine Railway Systems.  
James

ACL1504

James,

Very nice photos of the old track work. I found myself daydreaming about all the steam locos that passed over those rails.

Thanks for sharing them with us.

Tom.
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Tom Langford
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jbvb

Quote from: ACL1504 on May 13, 2026, 01:54:22 PMVery nice photos of the old track work. I found myself daydreaming about all the steam locos that passed over those rails.

Thank you, Tom. That frog has a sharp enough angle (#4 or maybe a little sharper) that I'm pretty sure it only carried trolley cars, but some people daydream about them too...
James

jbvb

Here's a view of the trolley #4 angle point/mate double slip switch earlier in the project.

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We're using a small excavator with a bucket narrow enough to work between timbers. Here we and it have removed the really bad switch timbers and a couple of new ones have been placed. The little Track Jack lower left has raised the castings enough that ties can go in and out with a minimum of excavation.

If you look closely, you may spot a couple of Gauge Rods near the righthand edge.  These steel items attach to the base of the rail. They're used when the gauge needs to be held (in or out) when the ties or timbers can't. They're supposed to be temporary but some in our yards have been there longer than I've lived in my present house.

James

deemery

Quote from: jbvb on May 14, 2026, 11:37:35 AMHere's a view of the trolley #4 angle point/mate double slip switch earlier in the project.

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We're using a small excavator with a bucket narrow enough to work between timbers. Here we and it have removed the really bad switch timbers and a couple of new ones have been placed. The little Track Jack lower left has raised the castings enough that ties can go in and out with a minimum of excavation.

If you look closely, you may spot a couple of Gauge Rods near the righthand edge.  These steel items attach to the base of the rail. They're used when the gauge needs to be held (in or out) when the ties or timbers can't. They're supposed to be temporary but some in our yards have been there longer than I've lived in my present house.


For the record, James is not the original occupant of his 200+ year old historic house.  :-) 

dave
Modeling the Northeast in the 1890s - because the little voices told me to

jbvb

Quote from: deemery on May 14, 2026, 12:01:22 PMFor the record, James is not the original occupant of his 200+ year old historic house.  :-) 
But I did move to this house during the S&L Crisis.

Here's our Track Dept. building a #4 switch out-of-place.  We made a crib of old rail on timbers so we didn't have to work on our knees. We laid out the switch timbers, placed the two stock rails (outside edges) and bent the left stock rail. Then we placed the two closure rails, bending the left one. Then we assembled the frog (ex-B&M, looks like another RACOR bolted model) to the closure rails.

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The volunteer on the left is making bolt holes for the RH guardrail with our modern gasoline rail drill. Middle volunteer is testing the fit of a track bolt in one of the cast blocks that space the guardrail away from the running rail. One side of the guardrail's base was planed off at the factory so it could go close enough to the running rail.

You can see the tie plates that protect the ties from wear by a moving rail base.  Also rail anchors clipped around the base of the running rail to keep it from sliding fore & aft under traffic. We started spiking with the straight stock rail. Everything else will be gauged from it.
James

deemery

And then you'll use a crane to move the pre-assembled switch into location?

dave
Modeling the Northeast in the 1890s - because the little voices told me to

jbvb

#11
Yes. Here's our little Pettibone MK-36 rough terrain crane all set up at twilight.  It's ready to lift the next morning.  We'd done our best to estimate the weight of the partial turnouts, and the lifts went smoothly.  Good thing, because our Shop wasn't connected to the railroad for a week before this point, and for three weeks afterward.

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Here's a closeup of the frog we used for this turnout:

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It's newer and intended for much heavier traffic than the frog in the Double Slip shown above.  The diamond shape is rail bent around a cast manganese steel insert. Manganese steel is very tough, so here it handles all the major wearing surfaces.

Last but not least, our Western-Cullen-Hayes manual rail bender:

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Freight railroad workers rarely see rail bent, if ever.  On normal RR track, the "vertex bend", in the curved closure rail just before the point connected to the straight closure rail, is the only place where rail is bent.  Normal RR minimum radius was 220-250 feet in the last century. All but 4 of our curves are tighter than that, and our tighter radii need a bend every foot or so.  Big transit agencies often own a garage-sized roller bender that does a whole rail in a few minutes, once it's set up properly.
James

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