I locked my original build thread on this forum (Volume 1) tonight because of the file corruption problems we have been experiencing. Please see the locked thread entitled Superior & Seattle Railroad Build for the previous 3 - 4 years of build history. I will be continuing the story of this build in the coming days.
Link to Superior & Seattle Railroad Build (Volume 1) 12/20/13 - 2/25/17 Build Progress
http://modelersforum.com/layout-tours/superior-seattle-railroad-build/msg65180/?topicseen#new (http://modelersforum.com/layout-tours/superior-seattle-railroad-build/msg65180/?topicseen#new)
Link to Volume 3:
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4531.0
Link to Volume 4:
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=5946.msg163250;topicseen#new
INDEX
Volume 1
Vol 1. Page 1 Changing forums - the benchwork
Vol 1. Page 2 Overview and Status in March of 2014
Vol 1. Page 3 A look back at the Benchwork and Paster work on the mountains,
Painting the Plaster work
The Photo Back Drops
Making Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 4 Making Pine Trees
Preparing the Talus Materials
Vol 1. Page 5 Prototype Photographs
Vol 1. Page 6 Prototype Photographs
Control Panel
Vol 1. Page 7 Layout Diagram "original plan"
Roundhouse Photographs
The Stone Roundhouse Build - start
Vol 1. Page 8 Stone Roundhouse Build - the walls
Vol 1. Page 9 Stone Roundhouse Build - the Roof
Vol 1. Page 10 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting
Vol 1. Page 11 Laying more track
Planning the town of Sellios
Vol 1. Page 12 Testing track
Vol 1. Page 13 First Runs - lower track
Vol 1. Page 14 Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Vol 1. Page 15 Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Vol 1. Page 16 Track work in Sellios
Vol 1. Page 17 Planning Structure Placement - Sellios
Vol 1. Page 18 Logo for the Superior & Seattle Railroad
Vol 1. Page 19 Cedar Shingle Pine Tree armatures
Modeling in the Summer
Vol 1. Page 20 Roofing on the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 1. Page 21 Doors on the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 1. Page 22 More plaster work
Vol 1. Page 23 Installing the DCC System
Vol 1. Page 24 DCC System Discussion
Vol 1. Page 25 DCC System Installation
Vol 1. Page 26 DCC System Installation
Vol 1. Page 27 More track installation
Vol 1. Page 28 Track Testing
Vol 1. Page 29 Door production for the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 1. Page 30 Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Vol 1. Page 31 Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Vol 1. Page 32 Changes - moving mountains
Vol 1. Page 33 Adding some talus materials
Vol 1. Page 34 Stone Roundhouse Build - Tar Paper Roof
Vol 1. Page 35 Stone Roundhouse Build - Doors, Windows, Trim
Vol 1. Page 36 Planting Aspen Trees,
prototype pictures Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 37 Stone Roundhouse Build Trim, Front Stone Work
Pictures of Mountains with Fall Color
Vol 1. Page 38 The view through "Wayne's hole"
Vol 1. Page 39 Some overall room photographs of the layout
Vol 1. Page 40 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the trim
Vol 1. Page 41 Stone Roundhouse Build - Installing the Windows
Vol 1. Page 42 The A&I tube
Vol 1. Page 43 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the Roof
Vol 1. Page 44 Stone Roundhouse Build - Final pictures on the workbench
Stone Roundhouse Build - Moving and installing on the layout
Vol 1. Page 45 Stone Roundhouse Build - Installation pictures
Vol 1. Page 46 Discussion of storage on the benchwork
Vol 1. Page 47 New - flex shaft rotary tool
Vol 1. Page 48 The Eagles Nest Yard
Vol 1. Page 49 Kit discussion
Vol 1. Page 50 Scenery on Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 51 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build - bents
Vol 1. Page 52 Testing coloring for the Trestle
Vol 1. Page 53 Start of scenery on Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 54 Progress pictures scenery on Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 55 Surveying for the Trestle
Stripwood for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Casting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 56 Changes in the Mountains
Vol 1. Page 57 Coloring the trestle footings
Vol 1. Page 58 Mt. Aiden Scenery progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 59 Setting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 60 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build first Bents
Vol 1. Page 61 Staining Stripwood
Vol 1. Page 62 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Vol 1. Page 63 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Vol 1. Page 64 Trestle Build progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 65 Trestle Build progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 66 Painting Bolt Castings
Vol 1. Page 67 Installing Bolt Castings - Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 68 Cutting more strip wood
Dealing with impatient forum members
Vol 1. Page 69 Adding retaining walls
Vol 1. Page 70 Trestle Build progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 71 Counting nut and bolt castings
Vol 1. Page 72 Mt. Aiden Trestle - the finishing process
Vol 1. Page 73 Adding Scenery to Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 74 Building retaining wall for Mt. Aiden
Pine Tree Production
Vol 1. Page 75 Dead Pine Trees
Vol 1. Page 75 The Brambell's Build Start - What's in the box
Vol 1. Page 76 Brambell's - Site preparation on the Layout
Vol 1. Page 77 Brambell's - Making Extra Castings
Vol 1. Page 78 Brambell's - Changing the site plan to fit my location on the layout.
Vol 1. Page 79 Brambell's - Making Molds
Vol 1. Page 80 Brambell's - Painting the castings
Vol 1. Page 81 Brambell's - Preparing the background scenery
Vol 1. Page 82 FSM Sawmill reconditioning for the S&S RR.
Vol 1. Page 83 Brambell's - Fitting castings to my site.
Vol 1. Page 84 Brambell's - Castings - lessons learned
Vol 1. Page 85 Brambell's - Painting the castings
Vol 1. Page 86 Brambell's - Testing the base with castings on the layout
Vol 1. Page 87 Brambell's - Detail castings - preparation for painting
Brambell's - The warehouse walls
Vol 1. Page 88 New Tools
Vol 1. Page 89 Brambell's - Warehouse Assembly
Vol 1. Page 90 Brambell's - Painting the detail castings
Brambell's - The wood retaining wall
Vol 1. Page 91 Brambell's - More Warehouse Assembly
Vol 1. Page 92 Brambell's - adding detail castings
Vol 1. Page 93 Brambell's - Warehouse Roof Construction
Vol 1. Page 94 Brambell's - Adding the Hoist House
Brambell's - Adding the back deck
Brambell's - A test fit on the layout
Vol 1. Page 95 Brambell's - Adding the ground cover
Vol 1. Page 96 Brambell's - Adding the Warehouse back shed
Vol 1. Page 97 Brambell's - More details
Vol 1. Page 98 Brambell's - Building the front deck
Vol 1. Page 99 Brambell's - Building the Trestle
Vol 1. Page 100 Brambell's - The cement wall
Brambell's - The Trestle Deck
Vol 1. Page 101 Updating the index
Vol 1. Page 102 Brambell's - Rail Siding and Dock
Adding more trees
Vol 1. Page 103 Brambell's Front Office
Vol 1. Page 104 Brambell's Scale and Scale House
Vol 1. Page 105 Brambell's Adding Dirt
Brambell's Test Plant on Layout
Vol 1. Page 106 Changes, Dad's, and the old layout
Vol 1. Page 107 Working in the Mountain
Vol 1. Page 108 Brambell's The Details
Vol 1. Page 108 Brambell's Finish Pictures on the Workbench
Vol 1. Page 108 A clean workbench
Vol 1. Page 109 Chippy Hollow Build Start
Vol 1. Page 110 Another Trestle Build
Vol 1. Page 111 More Pine Tree Production
Chippy Hollow Painting the wall castings
Vol 1. Page 112 Start of the Mt. Aiden Small Trestle
Vol 1. Page 112 Eagles Nest Hardware Build
Vol 1. Page 114 Track on the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 114 Chippy Hollow Build Progress
Vol 1. Page 115 Eagles Nest Warehouse Wall Castings
Vol 1. Page 116 Build Progress Eagles Nest Warehouse and Chippy Hollow
Vol 1. Page 117 Painting the Eagles Nest Warehouse Castings.
Vol 1. Page 118 Progress Report Small Trestle Build on Mt. Aiden.
Vol 1. Page 118 Layout Diagrams update
Vol 1. Page 119 Chippy Hollow Build update.
Vol 1. Page 120 Reusable Mold Material test.
Vol 1. Page 121 Trestle Build Progress.
Vol 1. Page 123 Final Pictures Mt. Aiden Trestle Build.
Vol 1. Page 124 Eagles Nest Warehouse Progress Report.
Vol 1. Page 126 Chippy Hollow Build Update
Vol 1. Page 128 Chippy Hollow Details
Vol 1. Page 128 Chippy Hollow become Walter P's
Vol 1. Page 129 The Staging Yard.
Vol 1. Page 130 The Control Panel Switch Panel.
Vol 1. Page 133 Eagles Next Warehouse - new paint and weathering.
Vol 1. Page 134 Start of the Jacob's Coal Build.
Vol 1. Page 136 Prototype Pictures from Greenfield Village
Vol 1. Page 137 Making room for the inside the mountain helix.
Vol 1. Page 138 Building the Helix.
Vol 1. Page 142 Making molds for plaster castings.
Vol 1. Page 143 More Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 146 Start of the C. C. Crow Stone Church Build
Vol 1. Page 147 Making room for the HOn3 Trestle
Vol 1. Page 148 Plans for the mountain top.
Vol 1. Page 148 Hidden Yard Build
Vol 1. Page 150 C. C. Crow Church Pictures
Vol 1. Page 153 Starting the HOn3 Trestle Builds
Vol 1. Page 155 Jacob's Coal Build Update
Vol 1. Page 157 Getting out the saw - more changes
Vol 1. Page 159 Using a Clay Mockups for design.
Vol 1. Page 162 The Start of the town of Sellios
Vol 1. Page 163 Sawmill placement.
Vol 1. Page 164 More on the Clay Mockup.
Vol 1. Page 167 Future Build Plans.
Vol 1. Page 169 The HOn3 Trestle Final Build Pictures.
Vol 1. Page 171 More Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 172 Moving on to Volume 2 of the S&S RR Build.
John,
I know that by locking a thread keeps it from being active so no additional posts can be made; however, do we even know if this "lock down" protects it from any future "back-up file corruption"?
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 26, 2017, 08:24:43 AM
John,
I know that by locking a thread keeps it from being active so no additional posts can be made; however, do we even know if this "lock down" protects it from any future "back-up file corruption"?
Tom
Hi Tom
Sorry about this file corruption issue and the devastating affect it has had on your thread. All locking does, as far as I know, is keep people from posting on the thread. This would have only helped in your case if the problem with your thread was caused by you hitting some maximum number like; posts, pages, characters, or something else that caused a software bug to corrupt your thread. Since you had more pages that I did when this happened I thought it was time for me to start volume 2. I will be backing up my threads to my own computer now so I don't loose them. This would not help the forum because I don't know how to restore them back to the server. I will call you this afternoon and walk you through doing the personal backup.
I had a long talk with Tom ACL1504 about this forum and the value of continuing to post on a build thread, this afternoon. As you probably know, Tom has one of the best build threads on this forum (probably any forum) and due to a computer and backup malfunction lost most of the pages of his thread, yesterday. This event had a number of us wondering if continuing to spend all the time required to keep up our threads on the forum was a good use of our time.
I thought I would share a few of the reasons I post on a build thread before moving on to Volume 2 of my build thread.
1) Through this forum and communicating about our common hobby I have met some great friends.
2) The forum allows me to share my hobby with people that have the same interest in fine scale modeling.
3) The tips I get from other modelers threads are extremely valuable in becoming a better modeler. Many times these tips come as a result of one of my posts in the forum of a personal email or message. You may want to try this!
4) I try to post the things I wish I had read about on a build thread when I was starting my first layout. Maybe, someone will find something that will help them with their build.
5) This build thread serves as a historic record of the building of my layout. I can go back and look at which techniques I used for a particular area or structure. If you haven't got to that point - you will. I find this very useful and is why an event like what happened to Tom is particularly devastating.
On this issue there is a solution for your personal use. Periodically go in to your thread and copy the pages. I have files that are backed up on my home server and on the iCloud of every page of every thread I have on this and other forums. Yes I have my threads from the "old forum". All you have to do with an MACBook is bring the page up in Safari and go to file and then - save as - web archive. I save the files in a directory with forum backups for each thread. When you call up this file it looks just like it does on the forum - even if you are not connected to the internet. If you are on the internet it will take you to the page on the forum which is active.
So I have been working on the layout the last few days and it's time to show what I have been doing. Welcome to the S&S Railroad (Volume 2).
INDEX
Volume 1
See post above on page 1
Volume 2
Vol 2. Page 1 Adding trees to the mountains.
Vol 2. Page 2 Using a Mortar & Pestle to create fine sand.
Vol 2. Page 3 Mountain Surgery
Vol 2. Page 4 Clay mockup of Phase III.
Vol 2. Page 5 Phase III Expansion
Vol 2. Page 6 Straightening the curves
Vol 2. Page 7 New Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 8 Phase III track work
Vol 2. Page 9 More Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 10 Making Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 12 New Crew member
Vol 2. Page 14 Test planting of Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 16 Test running the trains
Vol 2. Page 17 Helix build
Vol 2. Page 18 The HOn3 Branchline
Vol 2. Page 19 New HOn3 Locomotive
Vol 2. Page 20 Using my iPad to design the scenery
Vol 2. Page 21 Start of the Mackenzie Milling Build
Vol 2. Page 27 Start of the Isaac's Coal Build
Vol 2. Page 33 Running trains with the expanded crew
Vol 2. Page 35 Continued work on Mackenzie Mill and Isaac's Coal
Vol 2. Page 44 Adding another layer of scenery with some new Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 53 Isaac's Coal test plant
Vol 2. Page 54 Mackenzie Mill Build continued
Vol 2. Page 55 Locomotive Works build initial planning
Vol 2. Page 56 Isaac's Coal detailing
Vol 2. Page 58 Isaac's Coal on the layout
Vol 2. Page 59 Mackenzie's Mill detailing
Vol 2. Page 60 Clean workbenches
Vol 2. Page 61 Locomotive Works starting the build
Vol 2. Page 63 Future build planning
Vol 2. Page 66 Locomotive Works Roof mockup
Vol 2. Page 68 Locomotive Works Building the walls
Vol 2. Page 70 Painting Detail Castings
Vol 2. Page 73 Locomotive Works the layout site
Vol 2. Page 74 Locomotive Works painting the wall castings
Vol 2. Page 75 Locomotive Works starting the interior details
Vol 2. Page 77 Locomotive Works coloring the wall castings
Vol 2. Page 79 Locomotive Works the roof construction
Vol 2. Page 80 Monster Model Works brick tower
Vol 2. Page 82 Locomotive Works Inspection Pits
Vol 2. Page 83 Locomotive Works Brick Floor
Vol 2. Page 86 Locomotive Works Roof test fit
Vol 2. Page 87 Locomotive Works Overhead Crane installation
Vol 2. Page 90 Locomotive Works more interior details
Vol 2. Page 95 Mackenzie's Mill back on the details
Vol 2. Page 96 Locomotive Works interior lighting
Vol 2. Page 97 Locomotive Works coloring the metal roofing
Vol 2. Page 99 Locomotive Works more interior details
Vol 2. Page 102 Locomotive Works starting the exterior details
Vol 2. Page 103 More lighting for the layout
Vol 2. Page 105 Mackenzie's Mill Pond
Vol 2. Page 107 Planting more trees on the layout
Vol 2. Page 108 Using a mortar and pestle for grinding dirt fine
Vol 2. Page 110 Locomotive Works LED lighting
Vol 2. Page 112 Locomotive Works interior lighting test
Vol 2. Page 115 Layout Expansion
Vol 2. Page 117 More Aspen Trees on the layout
Vol 2. Page 118 Start of the Threadwell's build
Vol 2. Page 120 Threadwell's site planning
Vol 2. Page 123 Ipad mockup of the Threadwell site plan
Vol 2. Page 124 New resin walls for the build
Vol 2. Page 125 Starting the build on the workbench
Vol 2. Page 126 New pictures of the finished area of the layout
Vol 2. Page 128 More Details for the Locomotive Works build
Vol 2. Page 131 New Engineer on the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 133 First structure build for my Grandson
Vol 2. Page 136 Expansion Plans for the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 137 LED lighting for the Threadwell build
Vol 2. Page 138 Adding water to the Threadwell build
Vol 2. Page 140 Threadwell build moved to the layout
Vol 2. Page 141 More Trees
Vol 2. Page 142 Sewall's build start
Vol 2. Page 143 Adding the signs to the Locomotive Works
Vol 2. Page 144 Threadwell build photographs after adding the scenery
Vol 2. Page 146 More layout pictures
Vol 2. Page 148 Design plans discussion
Vol 2. Page 149 Baseboard for Sewall's and Fox Run builds
Vol 2. Page 150 Finishing the turntable area in front of the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 2. Page 152 First locomotives on the Eagles Nest turntable
Vol 2. Page 153 Scenery work around the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 2. Page 154 Draft Layout diagrams for the Phase IV Expansion
Vol 2. Page 155 Servo Turnout Controls
Vol 2. Page 156 The Phase IV Expansion begins
Vol 2. Page 157 Moving furniture and the Phase IV base cabinets
Vol 2. Page 158 Design Changes for the Superior Yard
Vol 2. Page 159 Phase IV construction - the helix
Vol 2. Page 161 Walter P. visits the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 163 Workshop Expansion
Vol 2. Page 164 Benchwork on the Phase IV expansion
Vol 2. Page 165 The table top of the lower level of the the Phase IV expansion
Vol 2. Page 166 Using lasers to keep the track straight
Vol 2. Page 167 The Phase IV track work begins
Vol 2. Page 169 Design Changes
Vol 2. Page 170 Control Panel Build
Vol 2. Page 172 The North Yard Construction
Vol 2. Page 174 Control panel construction Phase IV.
See Volume 3 for future updates.
This weekend, over 500 aspen trees and about a 100 pine trees were planted on the S&S RR. Wayne Olson spent the day with me on Saturday and we planted trees for most of the day and then spent a couple hours running trains. It sure was nice to be running trains on the layout.
Here are a few photographs of the areas that received new trees.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217215142.jpeg)
The area behind the HOn3 trestle on Mount Kara.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220241.jpeg)
Zooming back out.
Great scenery work.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220032.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220032.jpeg)
The Water Tank on the HOn3 line. The track crew will be coming in tomorrow to continue the track work from here across the trestle and on to the second HOn3 trestle.
We also started planting the trees on the mount side over looking the future town of Sellios.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217215222.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220109.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220109.jpeg)
Here is a picture from the other side.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220138.jpeg)
Finally, for tonight, here is a picture looking from the other side of the room along the Mount Aiden Trestle. The plateau in the picture is about 4 feet by 5 feet and will someday be the home of O'Neal's and the upcoming companion structures. Bret the back drop is almost ready.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220210.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220210.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220138.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260217220138.jpeg)
John, the colors make every thing pop. looks great
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 26, 2017, 10:12:30 PM
Great scenery work.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words. It's getting there a layer at a time.
Quote from: ak-milw on February 26, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
John, the colors make every thing pop. looks great
Andy
Thanks - I learned something about my lighting too. I think all of the overhead florescent lights are going to go and will be replaced with spot LED's from the valance. I need to do some experimenting.
John,
Be sure to keep us up to date on the light changes.
I have florescent lights with UV filters on each tube.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on February 27, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
John,
Be sure to keep us up to date on the light changes.
I have florescent lights with UV filters on each tube.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by - I will. This project will be a few months but I have already bought the light fixtures to implement it. The LED's just produce much better light.
Today, I got to test a tip I read in Steve Custer's O'Neal's build thread. Steve mentioned that he used a Mortar & Pestle to grind the sand finer for his pathways. Light bulb went off in my head and I had to try it. So off to Amazon and found a granite Mortar & Pestle on sale so I bought it. I have just about every color sand I could need between my place here in Clarkston and my Cabin in Northern Michigan. The problem is the texture - the sand is to coarse. The sand pile I have in the woods from digging the basement under my gazebo is just the right color but fits into the too coarse category. So here's pictures of the test.
Here is a picture of the sand that has been run through 3 different sizes of screen to remove the big chunks.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217202701.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217202701.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the process and the end results. I only worked on this about a minute. It was amazing how fine I could grind sand. Thanks for the tip Steve. I will have all the sand I need for modeling in just a few days work. I really like being able to collect scenery materials on my walks.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217201432.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270217201400.jpeg)
That will work great for silt.
I'm glad it worked out John. It definitely makes it easier to get the really fine dirt without sifting through screens and stockings etc..
I can't take credit for the idea, I got it from Brett Gallant but I'm glad I could pass it on.
-Steve
I still think we need a LIKE button on the forum.
I kike this idea.
Jim
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 27, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
That will work great for silt.
Curt
Yes it will - Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: SteveCuster on February 27, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
I'm glad it worked out John. It definitely makes it easier to get the really fine dirt without sifting through screens and stockings etc..
I can't take credit for the idea, I got it from Brett Gallant but I'm glad I could pass it on.
-Steve
Steve
Thanks again for passing it along - great source.
Quote from: jimmillho on February 27, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
I still think we need a LIKE button on the forum.
I kike this idea.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by and I'm glad you liked my third hand tip of the day. It does really work nice.
John:
Just make sure there are no iron particles in the sand. Run a strong magnet over your pulverized sand. Iron particles ruin locomotive motors.
Stay cool and run steam...... 8) 8)
Great idea! I have been adding a bit of earth colored pastel chalks to my sand , got some nice coloring with them...
Hi John:
Cool idea. Looks the the sand came out real fine. I might have to look for one of those.
Karl
Quote from: Powersteamguy1790 on February 27, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
John:
Just make sure there are no iron particles in the sand. Run a strong magnet over your pulverized sand. Iron particles ruin locomotive motors.
Stay cool and run steam...... 8) 8)
Good point Bob. I need to do that. I do it with the materials I bring back with me from Michigan's Upper Peninsula - lots of iron up there.
Quote from: rpdylan on February 27, 2017, 11:03:44 PM
Great idea! I have been adding a bit of earth colored pastel chalks to my sand , got some nice coloring with them...
I have colored dirt with chalks after it is installed but haven't tried adding the chalk before I glued it down. Another great tip to try.
Quote from: postalkarl on February 28, 2017, 07:49:30 AM
Hi John:
Cool idea. Looks the the sand came out real fine. I might have to look for one of those.
Karl
Karl
If you do - get the granite one. I think the weight makes the process easier. It does work very nice.
I have spent the last couple of days getting a fleet of locomotives / and rolling stock up and running. So far,/ all my testing has been with equipment I kept from my previous layout - some of it is very tired. I need to test my track work with various types and styles of locomotives and rolling stock, so I'm identifying and putting together the test trains. I have one comment for this process - RTR does not stand for ready to run. I just sent in an order for washers / shims / screws / bolts/ couplers and wheels, so I could get my test trains Ready-to-Run, or test in this case. I'm also going to make sure the rolling stock is at the NMRA recommend weight. The bottom line is that this is turning into a big project that has to be done before proper testing can begin.
Hi John:
Sounds like a fun project.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on March 01, 2017, 09:55:13 AM
Hi John:
Sounds like a fun project.
Karl
Hi Karl
Yes - it is - I think it's one of the most import parts of getting a layout running well. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
John,
You won't be disappointed in getting all your rolling stock up to standards. It is the most tedious and the most rewarding function of owning a railroad model with all the rolling stock.
The Judge and I went through about 100 freight cars two years ago. About three times that left to do. We checked coupler height, replaced all wheels with Intermountain wheel sets and the Kadee scale head couplers. When I finished a car I used a silver Sharpie marker and placed a dot on the bottom of the car. This let me know what cars have been upgraded.
We used to say the RTR cars were Ready To Repair. ;D
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 01, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
John,
You won't be disappointed in getting all your rolling stock up to standards. It is the most tedious and the most rewarding function of owning a railroad model with all the rolling stock.
The Judge and I went through about 100 freight cars two years ago. About three times that left to do. We checked coupler height, replaced all wheels with Intermountain wheel sets and the Kadee scale head couplers. When I finished a car I used a silver Sharpie marker and placed a dot on the bottom of the car. This let me know what cars have been upgraded.
We used to say the RTR cars were Ready To Repair. ;D
Tom
I like that Ready to Repair. I'm sure finding that they need lots of work. I have a couple 100 Kadde box cars that all need the intermountain wheel sets. I made a little test stand and will be adding a few cars and locomotives a day until my test fleet is complete. Anything of the rest of my rolling stock that doesn't have the Kadee couplers is get them.
Yeah, John, I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"
Quote from: rpdylan on March 02, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
Yeah, John, I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"
Bob
I have also started adding chalks to my rock work. It really makes the colors look natural in the rocks that are close to the viewer. I think the texture adds as much as the color. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: S&S RR on March 02, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: rpdylan on March 02, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
Yeah, John, I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"
Bob
I have also started adding chalks to my rock work. It really makes the colors look natural in the rocks that are close to the viewer. I think the texture adds as much as the color. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Yeah, dabbing chalks as a 'finish coat' adds depth to the colors on the rock, and keeps the colors from looking too linear. That's also true when doing slate shingles!
dave
Quote from: deemery on March 02, 2017, 04:08:51 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on March 02, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: rpdylan on March 02, 2017, 06:55:55 AM
Yeah, John, I have done both- added some chalk powder to the dirt prior to putting it down, and also brushing some chalks onto dirt already put down. Brushing some chalk powder onto the dirt is a great way to tone things down/ blend together and it seems to make the dirt look really "dry"
Bob
I have also started adding chalks to my rock work. It really makes the colors look natural in the rocks that are close to the viewer. I think the texture adds as much as the color. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Yeah, dabbing chalks as a 'finish coat' adds depth to the colors on the rock, and keeps the colors from looking too linear. That's also true when doing slate shingles!
dave
Dave
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I think adding depth is the right way to describe the process. I will photograph the process the next time I do it. But first more track to put down.
I spent the day working on the track work. I have a little more mountain surgery to do but I'm making progress. I should be starting the final helix this week. ;D
Mountain surgery, sounds like plaster is being cut.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 05, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
Mountain surgery, sounds like plaster is being cut.
Tom ;D
Yes - but in this case it's on the inside to reroute a tunnel by a few inches. A few minutes with a saw and all will be well. Thanks for stopping by the thread Tom.
Well, I got brave today and put one of the big steam locomotives on the track, a 2-6-6-2. The good news is it did real well on the layout - except - here comes the bad news - it didn't like the radius on the smaller trestle on Mount Aiden. :o :( It looks like tomorrows project will be to re-deck the trestle and change the track. I used a 24 inch radius but it needed a slight S as it came of this trestle and lined up for the big seven foot long trestle. I knew the S was going to be a problem with the big steam equipment. So it looks like a do over. Once again, we get to learn that you never cheat your standards. Once I get this problem solved I will be getting one of the S4 Broadways out for a test run.
Yesterday, I added about 20 feet of track and made it to the new area where I will be installing the new helix (see the clay mockup in my volume one thread). I will start taking the time to take some pictures of this last section. I will be able to show the intermountain helix as it goes together. This area will have very little plaster work for the scenery so I can do the track work first. A welcomed change. I will post some pictures tonight.
Pictures are going to wait until tomorrow or ???. We are having power outages because of high winds today and I'm posting this using my phone as a hotspot - not a very fast way of downloading pictures. I made a lot of progress today cleaning out the old benchwork and have the spot ready to go - tomorrow I will begin construction of the helix.
looking back on the photos again, I really like the photo of the green water tank against the yellow trees. In fact, the yellow makes everything look so nice. I bought some yellow leaf material from Scenic Express in order to add some here and there amongst all the green trees.....
Quote from: rpdylan on March 09, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
looking back on the photos again, I really like the photo of the green water tank against the yellow trees. In fact, the yellow makes everything look so nice. I bought some yellow leaf material from Scenic Express in order to add some here and there amongst all the green trees.....
Bob
Yes, the fall colors make all the colors pop. I have spent a lot of time taking pictures and testing different flocking materials to get the color the way I wanted it. I currently mix three colors of flock for yellow trees with some occasional orange which is very common in the mountain aspens. The green trees are also a mixture of three different shades of green. The key is don't put on to much flock. You need to be able to see through the trees. Most of the trees you see in the catalogs have way to much flock on them to look realistic. Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
John,
Some how I missed the first couple of pages of Volume 2. Thank you for the great compliment on my layout thread.
The pictures on the first two pages are absolutely wonderful. The depth of the mountains and backdrop is wonderful, in fact just unbelievable my friend.
You've done an excellent job of capturing the mountain region of the Great Northern.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 09, 2017, 02:05:34 PM
John,
Some how I missed the first couple of pages of Volume 2. Thank you for the great compliment on my layout thread.
The pictures on the first two pages are absolutely wonderful. The depth of the mountains and backdrop is wonderful, in fact just unbelievable my friend.
You've done an excellent job of capturing the mountain region of the Great Northern.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for the kind words. I'm making the final big push to get the benchwork and track work complete so I can start working on the stuff that shows again.
I have the internet back today so I can post a few pictures of the area I'm working on. First, here is the clay mockup I made of this area. I'm making a few changes to the area up front.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221754.jpeg)
The land on my clay mockup is ready for the little bulldozers to come in and start preparing for the foundations of all the buildings.
Here is a picture of this area (the working name is Mountain View) just after all the stuff was cleared off the benchwork.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221901.jpeg)
Hi John:
I shall be watching.
Karl
The first step was to get the remaining track from by previous layout out of the way.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221828.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221828.jpeg)
Let the sawing begin.
Quote from: postalkarl on March 10, 2017, 08:24:31 AM
Hi John:
I shall be watching.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for following along. There will be sawdust!
Here is what we have after a couple days of measuring twice and cutting once. I'm cutting the old benchwork into sections for the helix. You can see the first section of helix for the HOn3 line making it's way under the layout. I have the track already in to a point just around the corner (about 15 feet away). Most of the helix will be covered by the landforms as you can see on the clay mockup. The helix will have two tracks - HOn3 on the inside and HO on the outside. There will be a Station that serves both lines. The small yard will service the Narrow Gauge line.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100317082801.jpeg)
To give this area some perspective what you see in the picture is 6 foot deep and approx. 8 feet wide.
Today, I'm going to start putting the helix in starting with lowest level and working my way up - I will be putting the track in on each level before moving on to the next loop. It sure is nice working out in the open air where I can see what I'm doing.
Awesome! Following along so I can get pointers- I want to drop my track under the layout and come back up in another section....
Quote from: rpdylan on March 10, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
Awesome! Following along so I can get pointers- I want to drop my track under the layout and come back up in another section....
Bob
Thanks for following along. The HOn3 line on my layout is the upper most level and runs between the four major groups of mountains. At each end after making approximately a 80 foot run it travels down a helix with the return under the layout. I have been working on and off for three months putting in all the track under the layout. I anticipate a long shake out period with the track work because it was hard to see under the layout. We will see in a few weeks. The idea is to be able to run this continuously during open houses etc. The line can also be run point to point during operations.
I look forward to seeing your progress.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on March 10, 2017, 02:38:06 PM
I look forward to seeing your progress.
Curt
Thanks for following along.
Here are a couple pictures of something you shouldn't do. When I laid the track in this area I put in a 28 inch radius S curve. It really looks nice as a diesel locomotive pulls a train through the area. Problem is the steam locomotives can't deal with the S curve - derail every time. So one of my projects this week is to remove the S. I can do it without modifying the location of the trestle - I just need to add a couple deck planks. I used my radius gauges to figure out the new route.
As soon as I get the track work changed and tested I will be finishing the scenery in this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110317125944.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110317130039.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110317130112.jpeg)
John, how do you plan on bending the trestle, or do you have to redo it?
Great photo's John. :) 8) Well done.
Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Quote from: ak-milw on March 11, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
John, how do you plan on bending the trestle, or do you have to redo it?
Andy
All I have to do is add a couple planks to the trestle so no big deal. The S was an after thought that did look cool but was not functional with the larger steam locomotives.
Quote from: Powersteamguy1790 on March 11, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Great photo's John. :) 8) Well done.
Stay cool and run steam........ 8) 8)
Thanks Bob.
John,
To bad the S curve did not work out for the steam locomotives. I added a lot of interest to this great scene.
Can't you just flatten the curve near the embankment on the front left?
Awesome modeling. Very life like.
Quote from: sdrees on March 11, 2017, 06:24:22 PM
John,
To bad the S curve did not work out for the steam locomotives. I added a lot of interest to this great scene.
Steve
Thanks for stopping by - yeah it did look good but I can't have the big steamers having problems.
Quote from: MartyO on March 11, 2017, 07:28:21 PM
Can't you just flatten the curve near the embankment on the front left?
Marty
Tried that but it would require too tight of a radius coming off the big trestle. It will work by straightening out the track between the two trestles. I had it that way in the first place and decided to get cute with the S curve. Thanks for following the thread. I'll post some pictures of the fix when I get it done. I have some big pine trees already made up for the right side of the tracks. The trains will be running through a forest of big pines when this area is complete.
Good save John.....I'm sure that scene will be great when you get it finished and you'll be much happier when your steamers run thru it without problems. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on March 12, 2017, 10:08:10 AM
Good save John.....I'm sure that scene will be great when you get it finished and you'll be much happier when your steamers run thru it without problems. 8)
Thanks Greg. All the track work has to be tested with all my locomotives before I call it done. Thanks for following along.
John, I know what you are talking about. That's why I'm laying track and testing it right away. I have a UP Big Boy. If that beast of an engine can get through, anything can!! Phil
Quote from: KCS Trains on March 13, 2017, 11:45:49 AM
John, I know what you are talking about. That's why I'm laying track and testing it right away. I have a UP Big Boy. If that beast of an engine can get through, anything can!! Phil
Phil
Now that's a good test locomotive. I'm using a 2-6-6-2 which will be the biggest on my rooster.
I made some progress on the helix today. The Narrow Gauge loop is complete to the level below the layout. All I need is a 12 foot straight section of track to complete it. The first loop of the helix up is also in place and ready for track. The outer most loop is a reversing loop so I can turn a train without going up the helix.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140317171718.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140317171718.jpeg)
I also cut the front facia board to a maximum size using the clay mockup as a guide. I'm sure I will make some modification before it is installed permanently. I will determine the final shape once the helix is all in place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140317171755.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the clay mockup again for perspective.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090317221754.jpeg)
Looks like you are making good progress.
Moving right along John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on March 14, 2017, 07:23:59 PM
Looks like you are making good progress.
Thanks Curt - We are getting there.
Quote from: ak-milw on March 14, 2017, 08:05:16 PM
Moving right along John.
Andy
Thanks for stopping by - slow but sure.
Looking really good John.
I love to see the way things are built.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on March 15, 2017, 11:25:55 AM
Looking really good John.
I love to see the way things are built.
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I'm the same way, I guess that's why I'm doing a build thread. It sure is nice to be able to build this helix out in the open. Instead of going straight up, with each loop over the previous one, I'm going to stagger the loops after the first one so the radius can get bigger and I have more room to work on the track. I have the space once I get above the first loop so why not use it.
John,
Using the track gauges is a very wise idea, especially on the helix. You won't be sorry. Many modelers don't and the result is not good.
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 16, 2017, 11:23:55 AM
John,
Using the track gauges is a very wise idea, especially on the helix. You won't be sorry. Many modelers don't and the result is not good.
Tom
Hi Tom
Thanks for stopping by. I agree, the few minutes it takes to get it right now can save hours finding a spot where the radius got to tight.
Construction activities on the S&S RR have been put on hold for a few days so Amy and I can spend some quality time with the family. I completed the first loop of the helix and finalized the design, now that I can see how everything will go together. My saber saw will be getting a workout with this project.
Have fun with your family.
We all need a little family time.
Curt and Andy
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I am having a great time with my family.
Quote from: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
Index to Volume 1 of the Superior & Seattle Railroad Build Thread
Index to the thread Updated 3/21/17.
INDEX
Page 1 Changing forums - the benchwork
Page 2 Overview and Status in March of 2014
Page 3 A look back at the Benchwork and Paster work on the mountains,
Painting the Plaster work
The Photo Back Drops
Making Aspen Trees
Page 4 Making Pine Trees
Preparing the Talus Materials
Page 5 Prototype Photographs
Page 6 Prototype Photographs
Control Panel
Page 7 Layout Diagram "original plan"
Roundhouse Photographs
The Stone Roundhouse Build - start
Page 8 Stone Roundhouse Build - the walls
Page 9 Stone Roundhouse Build - the Roof
Page 10 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting
Page 11 Laying more track
Planning the town of Sellios
Page 12 Testing track
Page 13 First Runs - lower track
Page 14 Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Page 15 Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Page 16 Track work in Sellios
Page 17 Planning Structure Placement - Sellios
Page 18 Logo for the Superior & Seattle Railroad
Page 19 Cedar Shingle Pine Tree armatures
Modeling in the Summer
Page 20 Roofing on the Stone Roundhouse
Page 21 Doors on the Stone Roundhouse
Page 22 More plaster work
Page 23 Installing the DCC System
Page 24 DCC System Discussion
Page 25 DCC System Installation
Page 26 DCC System Installation
Page 27 More track installation
Page 28 Track Testing
Page 29 Door production for the Stone Roundhouse
Page 30 Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 31 Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 32 Changes - moving mountains
Page 33 Adding some talus materials
Page 34 Stone Roundhouse Build - Tar Paper Roof
Page 35 Stone Roundhouse Build - Doors, Windows, Trim
Page 36 Planting Aspen Trees,
prototype pictures Aspen Trees
Page 37 Stone Roundhouse Build Trim, Front Stone Work
Pictures of Mountains with Fall Color
Page 38 The view through "Wayne's hole"
Page 39 Some overall room photographs of the layout
Page 40 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the trim
Page 41 Stone Roundhouse Build - Installing the Windows
Page 42 The A&I tube
Page 43 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the Roof
Page 44 Stone Roundhouse Build - Final pictures on the workbench
Stone Roundhouse Build - Moving and installing on the layout
Page 45 Stone Roundhouse Build - Installation pictures
Page 46 Discussion of storage on the benchwork
Page 47 New - flex shaft rotary tool
Page 48 The Eagles Nest Yard
Page 49 Kit discussion
Page 50 Scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 51 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build - bents
Page 52 Testing coloring for the Trestle
Page 53 Start of scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 54 Progress pictures scenery on Mt. Aiden
Page 55 Surveying for the Trestle
Stripwood for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Casting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 56 Changes in the Mountains
Page 57 Coloring the trestle footings
Page 58 Mt. Aiden Scenery progress pictures
Page 59 Setting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 60 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build first Bents
Page 61 Staining Stripwood
Page 62 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Page 63 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Page 64 Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 65 Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 66 Painting Bolt Castings
Page 67 Installing Bolt Castings - Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 68 Cutting more strip wood
Dealing with impatient forum members
Page 69 Adding retaining walls
Page 70 Trestle Build progress pictures
Page 71 Counting nut and bolt castings
Page 72 Mt. Aiden Trestle - the finishing process
Page 73 Adding Scenery to Mt. Aiden
Page 74 Building retaining wall for Mt. Aiden
Pine Tree Production
Page 75 Dead Pine Trees
Page 75 The Brambell's Build Start - What's in the box
Page 76 Brambell's - Site preparation on the Layout
Page 77 Brambell's - Making Extra Castings
Page 78 Brambell's - Changing the site plan to fit my location on the layout.
Page 79 Brambell's - Making Molds
Page 80 Brambell's - Painting the castings
Page 81 Brambell's - Preparing the background scenery
Page 82 FSM Sawmill reconditioning for the S&S RR.
Page 83 Brambell's - Fitting castings to my site.
Page 84 Brambell's - Castings - lessons learned
Page 85 Brambell's - Painting the castings
Page 86 Brambell's - Testing the base with castings on the layout
Page 87 Brambell's - Detail castings - preparation for painting
Brambell's - The warehouse walls
Page 88 New Tools
Page 89 Brambell's - Warehouse Assembly
Page 90 Brambell's - Painting the detail castings
Brambell's - The wood retaining wall
Page 91 Brambell's - More Warehouse Assembly
Page 92 Brambell's - adding detail castings
Page 93 Brambell's - Warehouse Roof Construction
Page 94 Brambell's - Adding the Hoist House
Brambell's - Adding the back deck
Brambell's - A test fit on the layout
Page 95 Brambell's - Adding the ground cover
Page 96 Brambell's - Adding the Warehouse back shed
Page 97 Brambell's - More details
Page 98 Brambell's - Building the front deck
Page 99 Brambell's - Building the Trestle
Page 100 Brambell's - The cement wall
Brambell's - The Trestle Deck
Page 101 Updating the index
Page 102 Brambell's - Rail Siding and Dock
Adding more trees
Page 103 Brambell's Front Office
Page 104 Brambell's Scale and Scale House
Page 105 Brambell's Adding Dirt
Brambell's Test Plant on Layout
Page 106 Changes, Dad's, and the old layout
Page 107 Working in the Mountain
Page 108 Brambell's The Details
Page 108 Brambell's Finish Pictures on the Workbench
Page 108 A clean workbench
Page 109 Chippy Hollow Build Start
Page 110 Another Trestle Build
Page 111 More Pine Tree Production
Chippy Hollow Painting the wall castings
Page 112 Start of the Mt. Aiden Small Trestle
Page 112 Eagles Nest Hardware Build
Page 114 Track on the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Page 114 Chippy Hollow Build Progress
Page 115 Eagles Nest Warehouse Wall Castings
Page 116 Build Progress Eagles Nest Warehouse and Chippy Hollow
Page 117 Painting the Eagles Nest Warehouse Castings.
Page 118 Progress Report Small Trestle Build on Mt. Aiden.
Page 118 Layout Diagrams update
Page 119 Chippy Hollow Build update.
Page 120 Reusable Mold Material test.
Page 121 Trestle Build Progress.
Page 123 Final Pictures Mt. Aiden Trestle Build.
Page 124 Eagles Nest Warehouse Progress Report.
Page 126 Chippy Hollow Build Update
Page 128 Chippy Hollow Details
Page 128 Chippy Hollow become Walter P's
Page 129 The Staging Yard.
Page 130 The Control Panel Switch Panel.
Page 133 Eagles Next Warehouse - new paint and weathering.
Page 134 Start of the Jacob's Coal Build.
Page 136 Prototype Pictures from Greenfield Village
Page 137 Making room for the inside the mountain helix.
Page 138 Building the Helix.
Page 142 Making molds for plaster castings.
Page 143 More Aspen Trees
Page 146 Start of the C. C. Crow Stone Church Build
Page 147 Making room for the HOn3 Trestle
Page 148 Plans for the mountain top.
Page 148 Hidden Yard Build
Page 150 C. C. Crow Church Pictures
Page 153 Starting the HOn3 Trestle Builds
Page 155 Jacob's Coal Build Update
Page 157 Getting out the saw - more changes
Page 159 Using a Clay Mockups for design.
Page 162 The Start of the town of Sellios
Page 163 Sawmill placement.
Page 164 More on the Clay Mockup.
Page 167 Future Build Plans.
Page 169 The HOn3 Trestle Final Build Pictures.
Page 171 More Aspen Trees
Page 172 Moving on to Volume 2 of the S&S RR Build.
Index to Volume 2
Page 1 Indexes
Page 1 Adding more Aspen Trees
Page 2 The clay mockup and the final helix.
Page 3
John,
Thanks so much for taking the time to plan and post an index. That makes it SO much easier to find a specific part of the thread.
Hi John,
It looks like a beautiful Fall day with the leaves turning on the Aspen trees in the mountains. Pretty soon the snow will be falling.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on March 22, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
John,
Thanks so much for taking the time to plan and post an index. That makes it SO much easier to find a specific part of the thread.
Jerry
Thanks for following along and your welcome on the index. I use it myself when I'm trying to remember how I did something. Especially with paint colors.
Quote from: sdrees on March 22, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Hi John,
It looks like a beautiful Fall day with the leaves turning on the Aspen trees in the mountains. Pretty soon the snow will be falling.
Hi Steve
Thanks for stopping by the thread.
I plan on sticking with a nice sunny fall day. If I ever model snow it will be on a different area of the layout.
This past week I have only been doing some design work on the layout - mostly structure placement. This week, I should get back to work on the helix and track work. Between road trips and family obligations there hasn't been much time for modeling. Variety is the spice of life ;) .
Today, I returned from my road trip with the last stop being a visit to Erieman's - MORRISTOWN & ERIE RAILROAD - WESTERN DIVISION (http://modelersforum.com/layout-tours/morristown-erie-railroad-western-division/). I met Frank through the forum a few years ago and we have become good friends. This was my third visit to his layout and he has made tremendous progress in the two years since my last visit. Frank is getting his layout ready for a photo shoot and it is truly a "Great Model Railroad". One of the things that caught my eye as I walked in the door was the pine trees. Frank arranged a trip to see his supplier for the trees - Don Ledger. Don really knows how to model trees. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussions we had about trees and forest modeling and I'm looking forward to receiving the samples he will be sending me based on our discussions. I think his trees are going to really complement the caspia pine trees that I have been making for the S&S RR. Here is a photograph of one of one of the trees from Frank's layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290317174611.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290317174611.jpeg)
So John when are you going to make one, or two, or three ...?
That my friend, is a great tree!!! Phil
Quote from: MartyO on March 30, 2017, 12:01:24 AM
So John when are you going to make one, or two, or three ...?
Marty
When it comes to trees on my layout we always think in terms of 100's. I think these will really complement the caspia trees. I will post pictures when the samples arrive.
Quote from: KCS Trains on March 30, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
That my friend, is a great tree!!! Phil
Phil
Thanks for stopping by the thread - yes I think Don is really doing a great job with these. Amazing what you can do with a piece of rope.
Excellent looking tree.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on March 30, 2017, 02:27:37 PM
Excellent looking tree.
Curt
Thank you for stopping by the thread and for your comments.
I'm back working on the helix - loop one is complete - starting loop two. I'll take some pictures at the end of the day today. I bought a video camera that I can mount on a flat car, thanks to Erieman. I was holding out until I had more of the layout complete, but I think the camera will be very helpful in inspecting my track work. Especially in the hidden areas. Now I have another project - learning how to use it.
Here is a progress picture at the end of the day, today. I'm starting the third loop of the helix. The HO track is on the outside of the helix with a 26 inch radius. The HOn3 is on the inside with a radius of 24 inches.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010417202126.jpeg)
It sure takes a lot of tools to build a helix.
Can't wait to see the finished helix with trains running on it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 01, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
Can't wait to see the finished helix with trains running on it.
Curt
Thanks for stopping by - I'm really looking forward to having the trains running on this too. This helix will complete the track on the layout - at least for awhile - until the next expansion. ;) So far - all the track work in this area will be underneath the city that I will build on top.
I'm making progress on the helix, one more loop to go with the HO track and 2 more loops with the HOn3.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030417211545.jpeg)
Hi John:
Looks good you're getting there.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on April 04, 2017, 07:42:58 AM
Hi John:
Looks good you're getting there.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for stopping by - I'm ready to get back on building structures. I enjoy the track work but it's been a long stretch of doing the same thing.
Places that have 4'x8' CNC cutters are increasingly common (check with your local custom cabinetry guy). I think if I were doing a helix, I'd pay to have the plywood pieces cut by CNC.
dave
Quote from: deemery on April 04, 2017, 09:25:35 AM
Places that have 4'x8' CNC cutters are increasingly common (check with your local custom cabinetry guy). I think if I were doing a helix, I'd pay to have the plywood pieces cut by CNC.
dave
Dave
I would agree with you for a traditional helix - the problem with this helix, and the two others I've built for the S&S, is that every piece is custom. The clay mockup really helped with the visualization but now it's measure twice and cut once for each section. I'm also using up all the scrap pieces of wood that I had stored under the layout from all of the previous benchwork projects. At least I will not have to worry about covering up pretty benchwork. I'm spending most of my time checking the grade and testing to make sure there are no bumps or dips. The process is much easier on this helix with everything out in the open. Modeling a mountain railroad has it's challenges - just like the prototype.
Maybe 20% of my dumb mistakes are cutting errors, rather than measurement errors. CNC would prevent those, at least, at the cost of doing a lot more design work.
What's the grade through the helix?
dave
Quote from: deemery on April 04, 2017, 10:13:57 AM
Maybe 20% of my dumb mistakes are cutting errors, rather than measurement errors. CNC would prevent those, at least, at the cost of doing a lot more design work.
What's the grade through the helix?
dave
Hi Dave
The grade is between 2 and 3 percent depending on what I have to allow clearance for. I plan on running 2 and 3 locomotive consists, just like the prototypes in the mountains. The iPad is sure a great tool for measuring the grade. With the larger loops I can get 4 inches of rise per loop and maintain less than a 3 percent grade.
You certainly don't want stalls inside the helix, so an even grade would be important, I think.
For my layout, I've considered and discarded a 2 level design, mostly because I doubt I'd complete it :P
dave
More progress on the helix today. The facia board is in place for a fitting. The shape will change once I get the final loop in place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040417212326.jpeg)
Hi John:
Looking good buddy.
Karl
Jim and Karl
Thanks for stopping by. So far things are turning out the way I designed them using the clay mockup model. I really like the mockup process for understanding the elevation changes. I see more clay mockups in my future.
John, Do you ever get the feeling that you keep going around and around and around?
Quote from: MartyO on April 05, 2017, 11:30:22 PM
John, Do you ever get the feeling that you keep going around and around and around?
Yes - "all my life's a circle" - to quote Mr. Harry Chapin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To) (Johnny Cash)
dave
Quote from: deemery on April 06, 2017, 10:16:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFbUbmH7To) (Johnny Cash)
dave
Another fine circle song. I know what I'm going to be hearing in my head while I'm finishing the helix. ;D
Today, Wayne Olson worked with me on the layout. We made 214 more aspen trees and added most of them to the layout. I forgot to take a picture before I turned the lights out so pictures will have to wait for tomorrow. I'm just amazed at how many trees this layout can swallow up. We have planted over 1500 aspen trees so far. Yes - I have been counting them as we make them.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 08, 2017, 08:21:33 PM
Today, Wayne Olson worked with me on the layout. We made 214 more aspen trees and added most of them to the layout. I forgot to take a picture before I turned the lights out so pictures will have to wait for tomorrow. I'm just amazed at how many trees this layout can swallow up. We have planted over 1500 aspen trees so far. Yes - I have been counting them as we make them.
You're crazy guy :).... but are we don't too ? ;)
Eric Quebec city
John,
Spring is a great time for planting new trees ... Sounds like you have been busy making scenery for the S&S !
Tommy
Here is a picture of the area we where working on yesterday. The Plateau in the background is where we added the new trees. In the foreground you can see the trees that are ready for planting. Somewhere in the new batch is Aspen tree number 1500.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417094013.jpeg)
The process we use to make the trees is described in the volume one S&S RR thread if you are interested. The process we are using to plant the trees is working very well for creating the depth I'm looking for. You will notice that we are sorting the trees by size with the very smallest being used in the farthest location from the viewer on the the layout. You have to pay attention to both height and trunk diameter. It really helps to have a second set of eyes when your doing this. In my case, my good friend Wayne Olson is my eyes in the isle way and I'm crawling around on the mountain doing the planting. I know it's hard to see in the picture but as we plant the trees it looks like we are moving the backdrop farther away from the isle way. In this scene the trains will be running through the aspen forest at two different elevations. The trees are trimmed so the train will be visible with only the trunks of the trees blocking the view of the train. I will dig out my prototype pictures and post them in the coming weeks as we finish this scene. So thats the look we are trying to achieve - time will tell if we pull it off.
Here is a closeup of the trees on the plateau where you can see the track work behind the trees.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417095630.jpeg)
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 08, 2017, 09:05:23 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 08, 2017, 08:21:33 PM
Today, Wayne Olson worked with me on the layout. We made 214 more aspen trees and added most of them to the layout. I forgot to take a picture before I turned the lights out so pictures will have to wait for tomorrow. I'm just amazed at how many trees this layout can swallow up. We have planted over 1500 aspen trees so far. Yes - I have been counting them as we make them.
You're crazy guy :) .... but are we don't too ? ;)
Eric Quebec city
I have never met a modeler that didn't qualify for crazy. ;D ;) Thanks for stopping by the thread Eric.
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on April 09, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
John,
Spring is a great time for planting new trees ... Sounds like you have been busy making scenery for the S&S !
Tommy
Tommy
Thanks for stopping by the thread and yes spring is a great time for planting trees. In this case we have the production of a long winter to get planted on the layout.
Beautiful job. I especially like the rock slide under the trestle bridge. Are you going to add water to that scene?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 09, 2017, 10:12:29 AM
Beautiful job. I especially like the rock slide under the trestle bridge. Are you going to add water to that scene?
Curt
The rock slide under the bridge will be dry - I have a prototype picture of this scene from a trip to British Columbia. A river will run along the base of the mountains here. The North side of the river will be the town of VanGelder - I have a number of Bob's kits that will be planted there. And the South Side of the River will be town of Sellios - the area is about 6 x 12 so there is room for a number of kits in this town.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 09, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 09, 2017, 10:12:29 AM
Beautiful job. I especially like the rock slide under the trestle bridge. Are you going to add water to that scene?
Curt
The rock slide under the bridge will be dry - I have a prototype picture of this scene from a trip to British Columbia.The idea is that this is where the RR dumped the rock debris when the blasted the route through the mountain. A river will run along the base of the mountains here. The North side of the river will be the town of VanGelder - I have a number of Bob's kits that will be planted there. And the South Side of the River will be town of Sellios - the area is about 6 x 12 so there is room for a number of kits in this town.
John,
Your Aspen trees are beautiful. They really look fantastic up in the Rockies. Great job my friend.
Tom ;D
the final result is simply awesome
Eric QUebec city
Really like the color of the aspens with the dark rock behind them.
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 09, 2017, 11:09:05 AM
John,
Your Aspen trees are beautiful. They really look fantastic up in the Rockies. Great job my friend.
Tom ;D
Thank you Tom - Wayne Olson played a major roll in making and planting the Aspen forest. I think it is going to provide a wonderful backdrop to all those structures I have to build to complete the scene.
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 09, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
the final result is simply awesome
Eric QUebec city
Thank you for the kind words Eric. We are just getting good and started on the forestation of this area. I hope to post a photograph in a few weeks which will show why we started in this area.
Quote from: ak-milw on April 09, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
Really like the color of the aspens with the dark rock behind them.
Andy
Thanks - it is amazing how the aspens make the rock work look better.
The next few posts will be documentation and followup to a thread the Tom "ACS1504" started about "super trees". I decided to make the post below on Tom's thread and document the new Aspen tree process here on the S&S RR build thread. Here is the post I added on Tom's thread.
I just got off the phone with Wayne Olson and can now complete the story of the glycerin trees. The bottom line is I have 1500 trees on the layout with the old - right out of the box trees. I will soon have about 300 with the glycerin trees. The only way to tell them apart is to do a destructive test - for the engineers out there. The glycerin trees are more durable on the layout. I have noticed for a long time that the trees where very brittle after they dried out. So - rather than post all the details in two places - I will post our new and improved process on my build thread so we will be able to find it easier in a month or two when us older modelers have forgotten where we put it. Wayne made all the improvements while I was enjoy the sun out in AZ with Frank. Wayne gets a big thank you here - future purchases for the S&S RR will be the glycerin processed trees.
About 2 months ago I ordered a new case of super trees for Scenic Express. When Wayne Olson and I opened the box we noticed they were darker in color and very rubbery. After trying to get a few seed pods off we decided that Wayne would take them home and see if he could make them work.
I got a couple phone calls the next week which basically ended with - you need to send these trees back. In the mean time life got in the way and Wayne didn't get over to work on my layout for a few weeks and then I left on a trip out West. While I was gone Wayne figured out a solution to our rubbery tree problem and getting the seed pods removed. Yesterday, we flocked 214 trees which where both the old and new SE process - I didn't notice a difference in the trees flocking them or planting them on the layout once the matte medium was dry.
Here is a picture of those trees along with another batch of 141 trees that I flocked today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153551.jpeg)
While I was away, Wayne found that by using a diagonal cutter rather than tweezers he could remove the seed pods without destroying the tree. "It works better for both with and without glycerine trees".
Second, because he got frustrated in between starting with the wet rubbery trees and finding a solution to removing the seed pods he let the trees sit in the open air for a couple weeks. When he returned to the project, he found the trees were much stiffer. I think Dave recommended this as a solution on the other thread.
Wayne was also concerned with the paint sticking to the rubbery trees but once they were dried for a couple weeks in his workshop he had no problem.
I told Wayne I thought the trees were much less brittle once they were on the layout and asked him if I should call SE and see if we could get the original process - right out of the box trees or the new glycerine process trees. Wayne said with his new process it didn't matter to him and that less brittle on the layout made a lot of sense. We have both reached for something and broken the original brittle trees.
I will be planting trees where I can test the over the coming months and will update this story - I want to know if the trees will get more brittle with time.
I took a few pictures of the flocking process today and will post them here so we have everything in one place.
Here is a few of the trees after Wayne has removed the seed pods, trimmed them, and painted both the off white trunk and black spots.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153258.jpeg)
Yes - occasionally a seed pod gets through. I know that Wayne is going to accuse me of finding a tree with a seed pod for this picture.
The truth is, that after careful examination two or three time by both of us, there are a few seed pods on the layout. I tell myself that they look like branches after the flock is on the trees.
Here is a picture of my setup for flocking the trees. Step one is to clamp them with a soldiering clamp and soak them in a 6:1 solution of matte medium.
I use a wide mouth jug that is a reuse of the one Scenic express packages their hydrocal in. The clamps set on top the rim pretty well. If you look closely you will see the magnet on a stick that I use to fish them out of the glue when I knock them into the jug.
The trees soak in the matte medium about a minute while I flock a tree and clamp it to the drying line.
You will notice that I'm using five different colors of flock on this batch of trees.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153423.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the drying line. You can get an idea of how many trees I clamp with a soldiering clamp to help straight them.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153328.jpeg)
Some of the trees will never be straight no matter what you do. I use them on the side of hill or break them off and use just the tops for filler.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417153356.jpeg)
So - that's the process for the aspen trees - please let me know if you have any questions. As I said above, Wayne will be ready for another case of trees in a couple weeks. So he told me to order them this week so they will have time to dry before he works on them.
I want to thank Tom for posting his experience with the new SE tree process and running down what was different. I would have just thought the trees were green when we received them.
A major milestone was reached today on the S&S RR. The benchwork for the HO mainline is complete. I glued and screwed in the last section of the helix just before I shut things down for the day. Tomorrow I will probably complete the HO track with the official golden spike taking place once I get things wired up and running. I still have another loop of this helix to go to complete the HOn3 portion of the helix. I also have about a 12 foot straight section to complete under the layout and the HOn3 mainline will be complete.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191547.jpeg)
I also took a picture of one of my most useful tools during the building of the benchwork - my iPad. It works great for measuring the grade. Measuring 6 or 9 inches of surface is so much better than the smaller 2 inch device that I quit using.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191800.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191800.jpeg)
I also made progress on one other front today. I complete flocking all the trees that Wayne had painted up (he is working on another case) and delivered. So I cleaned up the workbench and got it ready for a fresh layer of brown paper and the start of my major scratch build for this summer. A companion building to my stone roundhouse - the S&S RR Locomotive works. I will get started on this build as soon as the golden spike is behind us.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090417191830.jpeg)
That's an expensive level. ;D What's the app?
Jeff
John,
Great progress. Your trees are beautiful, and I was glad to learn how to work with the "new" trees. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on April 10, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
That's an expensive level. ;D What's the app?
Jeff
Hi Jeff
The app I'm using is called Clinometer. Yes - it is an expensive level, but if you look at all the devices it has replaced it's a pretty good deal.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on April 10, 2017, 09:21:59 AM
John,
Great progress. Your trees are beautiful, and I was glad to learn how to work with the "new" trees. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
Jerry
Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by the thread. The process change with the super trees caused a little heart burn but I think it will be a good thing if the trees are more durable.
Great how to for excellent looking trees. It looks like you are moving right along with the helix.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 10, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
Great how to for excellent looking trees. It looks like you are moving right along with the helix.
Curt
Thank you - progress is slow but sure.
At the end of the day today, I have 1 more foot of track to put down on the HO mainline. The HOn3 mainline has 25 more feet of mainline and two trestle installations. I will need a few more days of laying track and a day to wire it and the S&S RR will be operational. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Looking forward to seeing a video.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 11, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Looking forward to seeing a video.
Curt
I just bought a camera that I can mount on a train car for track inspection and train perspective video - so there just might be a video in the S&S RR's future.
Hey John looks awesome looking forward to the video.
Jerry
A video of the layout from the tracks going to the golden spike ceremony would be neat..... ;)
Quote from: Jerry on April 13, 2017, 11:37:00 AM
Hey John looks awesome looking forward to the video.
Jerry
Hi Jerry
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have some new skills to learn before I will have video - I need to figure out how I will be editing and posting, so it may be a few months.
Quote from: GPdemayo on April 13, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
A video of the layout from the tracks going to the golden spike ceremony would be neat..... ;)
Hi Greg
That is a good idea - but as I said above some new skills will be required. We will see how it goes.
The youngest member of the S&S RR Crew is helping with the track inspections today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160417114852.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160417114741.jpeg)
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.
Happy Easter.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 16, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.
Happy Easter.
Tom ;D
Looks just like a very young "YOU"
Be proud of him.
Jim
I'd pay a million dollars to have a grandson to play trains with, lucky you and lucky grandson :D :D :D
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 16, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.
Happy Easter.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks - we will keep him. It is amazing every time I see him smile I see my dad, his great grandpa. He learned which button he need to push to make the whistle blow - he is on his way to being a model railroader.
Quote from: jimmillho on April 16, 2017, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 16, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
Gee John, he even looks like a Siekirk! Ya gotta be proud my friend.
Happy Easter.
Tom ;D
Looks just like a very young "YOU"
Be proud of him.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread.
My girls got out the old family photos - he does look a lot like me and my dad. It sure was fun to see all the excitement in his eyes with the trains - I hope it lasts.
Quote from: Janbouli on April 16, 2017, 04:52:34 PM
I'd pay a million dollars to have a grandson to play trains with, lucky you and lucky grandson :D :D :D
My dad told me when my daughters were born they were worth a million dollars. With all the inflation since then I figure Grandkids are worth a Billion. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
I bought my grandson one of the Broadway Hybrid locomotives for his first birthday. Well actually I'm in a little hot water with the boss because I couldn't just by him one so I got one for his brother too. They will be stored in the stone roundhouse and come out for special occasions.
Very cool John.
When I was out in Arizona Frank Baker introduced me to Don Ledger, the artist that made the pine trees on Frank's wonderful layout. I really liked the way the trees looked on Frank's layout and thought they would add another layer to the scenery on my layout. I ordered a test batch of trees from Don while I was there and they arrived this week. I have been testing them in different locations on the layout and thought I would post a few pictures to see what you guys thought. If you look at pictures of the mountain scenes in the Pacific Northwest you will find a few different pine trees along with the aspen trees. I was looking for trees that complement the caspia trees that I already have on the layout. Take a look at the pictures and let me know what you think. I have to work on size an shape and numbers in each location.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417085024.jpeg)
Here are a couple more photographs.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417084911.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417084806.jpeg)
The trees look great John.....they really help make the area come alive. 8)
Here is a different location where I test planted smaller trees on the mountain side. The size will be slightly taller than the aspen trees to help with giving the scene depth.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200417091820.jpeg)
Quote from: GPdemayo on April 20, 2017, 09:11:29 AM
The trees look great John.....they really help make the area come alive. 8)
Greg
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for your kind words. The scene is coming together one layer at a time.
You might be giving God a run for the money in planting trees! ;-)
dave
Looks great.
Sure wish we had a "like" button.
Jim
Magnificent. Those pines really add to the scene!
John
Quote from: deemery on April 20, 2017, 01:09:01 PM
You might be giving God a run for the money in planting trees! ;-)
dave
Dave
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words. I believe God did a perfect job creating mountain scenery - as a modeler I'm happy with a close approximation. My goal for this layout is to have some beautiful mountain scenery here in my basement in Michigan, so I can enjoy it every day.
Quote from: jimmillho on April 20, 2017, 08:06:06 PM
Sure wish we had a "like" button.
Jim
Jim
Thanks - I appreciate you stopping by to take a look.
Quote from: Cuse on April 20, 2017, 08:35:36 PM
Magnificent. Those pines really add to the scene!
John
The locomotive I recently acquired is going to really complete the scene. Thanks for stopping by John.
The two big pictures are totally awesome...
Eric Quebec city
The trestle scene is wonderful. The trees look great, as does everything else!
Jeff
John,
Wow! That has to be the best modeling of a forest that I can remember seeing. It might even be too good, with scenery like that who is going to be looking at the trains?
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 21, 2017, 05:20:30 AM
The two big pictures are totally awesome...
Eric Quebec city
Eric
Thanks for kind words. I'm looking forward to completing this scene and getting some proper lighting installed over the trestle.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on April 21, 2017, 08:04:59 AM
The trestle scene is wonderful. The trees look great, as does everything else!
Jeff
Jeff
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words. I will soon have an area on the layout that I consider finished - if that's possible on a model railroad. ;)
Quote from: jerryrbeach on April 21, 2017, 08:39:29 AM
John,
Wow! That has to be the best modeling of a forest that I can remember seeing. It might even be too good, with scenery like that who is going to be looking at the trains?
Jerry
Thanks for visiting the thread and for your kind words. I'm real close to having the trains running so we will see.
Like I said once before John, looks like a nice Fall day in the mountains of "Michigan". Nice work.
John,
Well, all I can say is well done, very well done.
Tom ;D
Quote from: sdrees on April 21, 2017, 12:39:59 PM
Like I said once before John, looks like a nice Fall day in the mountains of "Michigan". Nice work.
Steve
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 21, 2017, 01:23:52 PM
John,
Well, all I can say is well done, very well done.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom
John,
I love it, really very nice work! You were paying attention in modeling class. Me, I'm a drop out. You definitely graduated! Thanx Thom...
Quote from: tct855 on April 21, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
John,
I love it, really very nice work! You were paying attention in modeling class. Me, I'm a drop out. You definitely graduated! Thanx Thom...
Thom
Thanks for stopping by. I just plan on keeping up the practicing until I get it right.
Today, the layout swallowed up another 214 Aspen trees and 18 pine trees. It is amazing how many trees are required to make it look right. I will try to post a couple pictures this evening.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
Today, the layout swallowed up another 214 Aspen trees and 18 pine trees. It is amazing how many trees are required to make it look right. I will try to post a couple pictures this evening.
John,
More trees than anyone can imagine. I just finished making 150 Florida Slash Pines and I'm just getting started. I look forward to the photos.
Tom
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 22, 2017, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
Today, the layout swallowed up another 214 Aspen trees and 18 pine trees. It is amazing how many trees are required to make it look right. I will try to post a couple pictures this evening.
John,
More trees than anyone can imagine. I just finished making 150 Florida Slash Pines and I'm just getting started. I look forward to the photos.
Tom
Thanks for stopping by Tom. I'm actually keeping track of the number of trees I plant so I will have a count when I'm done. So far, I'm over 1500 aspen trees and 250 pine trees.
A few progress photographs of the area we were working on today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185710.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185642.jpeg)
Outstanding. The trees really set off the scene.
My jaw has dropped to the floor when I saw the photos. Great job!!!
Quote from: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
A few progress photographs of the area we were working on today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg)
I look at this picture and I can imagine an impetuous torrent in the bottom of this scene.
Bravo...
Eric Quebec city
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 22, 2017, 07:36:15 PM
Outstanding. The trees really set off the scene.
Curt
Thanks - This area is now ready for the next layers - ground cover and talus.
Quote from: MartyO on April 22, 2017, 08:46:45 PM
My jaw has dropped to the floor when I saw the photos. Great job!!!
Marty
Thanks for the kind words - this area will be the backdrop for the towns of Sellios and VanGelder. I will soon be in the structure building mode again. ;D
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 22, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 22, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
A few progress photographs of the area we were working on today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220417185739.jpeg)
I look at this picture and I can imagine an impetuous torrent in the bottom of this scene.
Bravo...
Eric Quebec city
Eric
Thanks for stopping by the thread - at the base of this scene will be the town of VanGelder with a river to power the mills. The hole in the benchwork that you can see in some of the pictures will be the home of Bob's second kit.
It was a big day on the S&S RR, today. I ran a SW 1200 across the complete mainline and then followed with a GP7. It took 27 minutes to complete the run at scale speed. I have three areas that need some work before full train testing can begin. ;) ;D The golden spike will be set when the HOn3 mainline is complete, sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
It was a big day on the S&S RR, today. I ran a SW 1200 across the complete mainline and then followed with a GP7. It took 27 minutes to complete the run at scale speed. I have three areas that need some work before full train testing can begin. ;) ;D The golden spike will be set when the HOn3 mainline is complete, sometime in the next couple of weeks.
You are getting close John. Will love to see the Golden Spike installed.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on April 23, 2017, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 23, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
It was a big day on the S&S RR, today. I ran a SW 1200 across the complete mainline and then followed with a GP7. It took 27 minutes to complete the run at scale speed. I have three areas that need some work before full train testing can begin. ;) ;D The golden spike will be set when the HOn3 mainline is complete, sometime in the next couple of weeks.
You are getting close John. Will love to see the Golden Spike installed.
Jim
Thanks Jim - I need to start thinking about how I want to add the Golden Spike. I may need two, one for the HO and one for HOn3. I'm thinking the best place is where the planned transfer facility will be.
John,
What a terrific scene. I love how each element in the scene compliments the other. The talus, wonderful carving and coloring of the rock faces, and the plethora of aspen trees, the great backdrop. All this, and the tracks winding along the cliffs. WOW!
Quote from: jerryrbeach on April 24, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
John,
What a terrific scene. I love how each element in the scene compliments the other. The talus, wonderful carving and coloring of the rock faces, and the plethora of aspen trees, the great backdrop. All this, and the tracks winding along the cliffs. WOW!
Jerry
Thanks for stopping by and for the kind words. I'm finally getting to the point where I can start putting the finishing touches on parts of the layout. I sure have a lot of structure builds in my future to complete this layout.
Yesterday, I ran the first real train over the layout and took a few railman pictures. It has been a while since I have taken some progress shots of the overall layout so here we go.
It took 27 minutes for the train to make it's way from the staging yard in my workshop, which is at the top level of the layout, to the Eagles Nest Yard which is at the lowest level and then return.
The train was at the Mt. Allen Trestle before I thought to take some pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155411.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155303.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155330.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155222.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155149.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155117.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155044.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417155013.jpeg)
John, was this the area where you had some derailment problems earlier? Looks great!
dave
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154933.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154933.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154850.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154809.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154735.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154700.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270417154631.jpeg)
Quote from: deemery on April 27, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
John, was this the area where you had some derailment problems earlier? Looks great!
dave
Dave
The fix on the smaller trestle is still on my to-do-list. The GP7's don't have any issues but my 2-8-8-2 likes to jump the rails so I need to make the radius bigger.
Looking at these pictures makes me realize how many structures I have to build and scenery to finish but they do a reasonably good job of showing where the layout is at, today. At least the trains are running!!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The eight reversing loops seem to be working just fine. I definitely need to electrify the frogs.
Next step, is to fix the items on my list and run longer trains. Then it will be time to get out all those steam locomotives. I also need to finish the HOn3 track work to get the track work complete check mark.
Excellent job on the trestle bridge. If I remember right you had to adjust the track on the one side of the bridge. If you have a picture of that completed area can you post it?
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 27, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
Excellent job on the trestle bridge. If I remember right you had to adjust the track on the one side of the bridge. If you have a picture of that completed area can you post it?
Curt
I will post pictures when I make the changes. It is on my list but only needed for the big steam locomotives so I haven't made it a priority, yet. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: Janbouli on April 27, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words. I hope to someday achieve that affect on the whole layout. In about a month I hope to be back in structure building mode, along with working on the scenery. Working on the scenery makes me feel like I'm making improvements quicker.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: Janbouli on April 27, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words. I hope to someday achieve that affect on the whole layout. In about a month I hope to be back in structure building mode, along with working on the scenery. Working on the scenery makes me feel like I'm making improvements quicker.
Ooops , of course I meant the left side which would have been the right side to look at ;)
Quote from: Janbouli on April 28, 2017, 03:07:23 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 27, 2017, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: Janbouli on April 27, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
Wow , that first picture, the trees the bridge , if I only look at the right side of the photo , I would say it's the real thing.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words. I hope to someday achieve that affect on the whole layout. In about a month I hope to be back in structure building mode, along with working on the scenery. Working on the scenery makes me feel like I'm making improvements quicker.
Ooops , of course I meant the left side which would have been the right side to look at ;)
Jan
I knew what you meant - great minds think alike. ;)
Hi John,
The pictures are great. There must have been a lot of blasting of rock by the railroad to get the track laid through the mountains. Looking very nice.
Quote from: sdrees on April 28, 2017, 03:29:29 PM
Hi John,
The pictures are great. There must have been a lot of blasting of rock by the railroad to get the track laid through the mountains. Looking very nice.
Hi Steve
Yes - we exceeded our dynamite budget.
Oh boy.....Tom's burning things down, you're blowing things up.....I must be doing something wrong? :o :-\ ???
Quote from: GPdemayo on April 29, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
Oh boy.....Tom's burning things down, you're blowing things up.....I must be doing something wrong? :o :-\ ???
Greg
There is no right or wrong it's your railroad. ;D
The last loop of the helix up to the HOn3 mainline is cut, glued, and clamped in place.
;D
http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290417100652.jpeg (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290417100652.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290417100652.jpeg)
It looks great! I can't wait to see it in action.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 29, 2017, 11:55:05 AM
It looks great! I can't wait to see it in action.
Curt
Thanks - I hope to run the first HOn3 train in the next couple of weeks.
I have been doing mostly design work the past couple of days on the S&S RR. In the next few weeks I will be completing the track work and switching into structure building mode. My time for the next few years will be split about 75% on structures and 25% on scenery and layout track and electronic improvements. I need to electrify all of the turnout frogs, add electronic controls to all the turnouts, and continue to make improvements to track work.
I got back on the layout today - worked all day on the HOn3 Yard. I have it 90 percent laid out and plan on starting the track work tomorrow. I should have some pictures to post by the end of the day.
As I'm finishing up the track work for this part of the layout, (expansions planned but will not be implemented until the current sections of the layout are complete) I have decided to take a few days and reorganize my workshop. I have spent some time with some very good modelers over the years and have come to the conclusion that most of us spend a whole lot of time looking for stuff. It's not just me. ;) I have detail parts that I have picked up at conventions etc. stuffed in many many places all around the shop. The plan is to number all the cabinets and organize stuff in logical locations. I bought a label maker and will also be inventorying everything on my computer so I can search digitally next time for that horizontal steam engine that I just spent 2 hours looking for. I just bought it a couple months ago. Yes - it will take some discipline to keep it up. I'll post a few pictures when I get this project completed. I figure it will save me a lot of time down the road.
Just remember to leave your drawers/containers sparsely filled. I usually make the mistake of packing everything in tight, and then when I need to add something the whole organization scheme falls apart! (And as a computer scientist, I -should know better-, since the effects of overflow on packed data structures is something we study pretty early on.)
dave
Quote from: deemery on May 04, 2017, 06:40:47 PM
Just remember to leave your drawers/containers sparsely filled. I usually make the mistake of packing everything in tight, and then when I need to add something the whole organization scheme falls apart! (And as a computer scientist, I -should know better-, since the effects of overflow on packed data structures is something we study pretty early on.)
dave
Dave
Thanks for the good advice. A big goal of this project is to know just what I have - I have already found a couple kits I didn't remember buying. I have been buying stuff at shows for this layout for 25 years and, well, the memory isn't as good as it once was. I think this is going to be time well spent.
Hi John:
The helix is coming along. It look like a lot of work.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on May 05, 2017, 07:41:42 AM
Hi John:
The helix is coming along. It look like a lot of work.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for stopping by. Yes - the helix has been a lot of work - this is the third and final helix required to complete my track plan. I'm looking forward to completing it and getting back to structure building. Getting close.
Hey John
Just getting caught up again. Rock work is dead on great coloring.
Helix is taking shape an it looks like your ready to run freight.
Keep up the great work and sending those pictures.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on May 06, 2017, 01:14:12 PM
Hey John
Just getting caught up again. Rock work is dead on great coloring.
Helix is taking shape an it looks like your ready to run freight.
Keep up the great work and sending those pictures.
Jerry
Hi Jerry
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have a few more progress pictures to post tonight.
Here are a few progress shots from the last few days.
A picture of the board going in for the surface of the HOn3. Once again the iPad is a great tool to make sure it is level in all directions.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517202718.jpeg)
Playing with elevation and views. The tape measure is a proposed location and grade for a future road.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517203105.jpeg)
Here it is from a different angle.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517203024.jpeg)
At this point, I'm figuring out were and at what height I want to add the plywood base shelves that will hold the foam bases for the sections of the city that will be built on top of the helix. The HOn3 yard and on 1/4 of one loop of the helix will be all the track work that will be visible in this area. The rest will be a very detailed eye level city. I will modify the clay mock-up that I built for this area with the changes and use it to decide on structure, road, and scenery placement.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517202913.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060517202913.jpeg)
I sure have a lot of tools to pickup when this project is complete. ;)
Yes - I have a plan to hide the ugly corner. This is the only place I didn't add a curved backdrop, I wanted the space for structures.
Looking good. What's the grade that your tape measure is indicating?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 06, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
Looking good. What's the grade that your tape measure is indicating?
The grade in the picture is about 5 percent. I'm going by eye ball setting up the roads for the city. I haven't settled on a street layout yet.
I started doing some testing of the HOn3 line with this newly acquired C-19. Does anyone recognize it?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070517084338.jpeg)
The loco was probably before my time on here, but the rock work looks real. Well done.
Looks like one of Bob Hayden's C&DR locos.
Carrabasset & Dead River RY. - Another Fallen Flag Layout.
Tom ;D
The J. Mancuso loco. Bob Hayden's decals. Yes, I remember.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173058.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173041.jpeg)
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 07, 2017, 10:00:32 AM
Looks like one of Bob Hayden's C&DR locos.
Carrabasset & Dead River RY. - Another Fallen Flag Layout.
Tom ;D
Tom
Look closer - I was told you worked on it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 07, 2017, 09:55:26 AM
The loco was probably before my time on here, but the rock work looks real. Well done.
Curt
I bought it from one of our forum members that was changing gauges, again. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114173025.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-131114172807.jpeg)
John,
Do you also have the caboose?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164801.jpeg)
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 07, 2017, 10:43:11 AM
John,
Do you also have the caboose?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164723.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164801.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-111114164801.jpeg)
Hi Tom
Yes, I also have the caboose. The nice part about having a freelance layout is that I can buy beautiful equipment from any Railroad.
It pained me to part with those...I was only able to do it because it stayed in the "family" ;) . Tom did a great job and the decals direct from Mr. Frary himself had a special meaning to me.
It would have pained me more to have it in a box in my closet forever.
Enjoy! It's a beauty...John
Quote from: Cuse on May 07, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
It pained me to part with those...I was only able to do it because it stayed in the "family" ;) . Tom did a great job and the decals direct from Mr. Frary himself had a special meaning to me.
It would have pained me more to have it in a box in my closet forever.
Enjoy! It's a beauty...John
John
You know you have visitation rights. I'd love to have you take it for a run on the S&S RR.
I finished the back shelf that will hold the baseboards for all the structures that will some day be a city (I still need to name it). I will close the center portion with a removable hatch that will allow for maintenance and access during the construction. I will be updating the clay mock-up with the latest levels for visualization and an aid in structure placement. The original clay mock-up is actually pretty close to how it all turned out.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100517221648.jpeg)
Definitely the work of an engineer. You could land a plane on that beautiful layout! ;D
Great work John
John M.
Looks solid as a rock.
Quote from: Cuse on May 11, 2017, 06:55:05 AM
Definitely the work of an engineer. You could land a plane on that beautiful layout! ;D
Great work John
John M.
Hi John
I read Howard Zane's book - he had one of his cities destroyed when someone leaned on the benchwork that was supporting it. That shelf will hold me - field tested it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 11, 2017, 02:03:43 PM
Looks solid as a rock.
It is and it will be holding a few rocks along the way too. Thanks for stopping by.
I just spent the last couple of hours playing with my new toy. I bought a new iPad Pro - my old iPad was the one Steve Jobs used for the demo it was so old. I bought it so I could mark up photographs like a saw Frank Baker do when I visited him in March. So tonight I decided to give it a try. New machine, new software, so here is what I was able to do in 2 hours. I'm using an application called PROCREATE. The first photo is the one I posted a couple of days ago showing the benchwork and shelf in my new area. I imported the picture, then drew tunnel portals, landforms, at tree and then added a picture of a structure that was handy. I'm going to really like this. What do you think of this for a modeling tool?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100517221648.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100517221648.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110517225555.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110517225555.jpeg)
My next step is going to be taking proper perspective photographs of the areas I want to visualize. Then I need to collect and learning to properly scale photographs of the structures I want to add in each area. Then the games will begin.
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 12, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?
I agree with the comments. That looks like a great planning tool.
Jim
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 12, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?
Hi Curt
Yes - I think it is going to come in real handy. I plan to take pictures of the layout in the areas where I still need to plan structure placements. I will add targets to the pictures with known dimensions so I can properly size structure pictures. I will share a few pictures of the test results.
Quote from: jimmillho on May 12, 2017, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 12, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
Wow, that can be used as a great planning tool for what would this look like?
I agree with the comments. That looks like a great planning tool.
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I will post a few more what ifs when I get the sizing worked out.
I started to get ready to take pictures of the layout for my structure placement and design project. It seems I have collected about 500 trees that need to be planted, currently in foam pallets sitting where the town of Sellios will be built. The area where the yet to be named Seaport town will be is currently the home of all the stuff that I need to put back under the layout when the HOn3 line is complete. And the nice shelfs I made on top of the helix in the pictures above, well, that is the current home for all my scenery stuff while I reorganize the shelves I normally keep them on. So the pictures will wait for a few days. That's my update for today, back to work.
Today, I got the track laid for the little HOn3 yard. It is a bit of a switching puzzle but it will work. This area will have a HO to HOn3 transfer facility, a HOn3 engine house, and a Passenger terminal for my little people to switch trains from one line to the other.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150517211153.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150517211153.jpeg)
Tomorrow, I hope to wire this up and get it operational. At that point this area will remain a plywood city until it comes time to finish the city. That will be a few years from now - lots of structures to build and layout to finish before I will revisit this area.
Hi John:
Looks good. Keep at you'll get there.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on May 16, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
Hi John:
Looks good. Keep at you'll get there.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for stopping by and for the encouraging words.
It all gets done bit by bit until you realize that it's almost complete.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 16, 2017, 10:00:51 AM
It all gets done bit by bit until you realize that it's almost complete.
Curt
That's right - It is a life long project. That's why a layout can never be complete. A section at a time. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
John, Do you have any Dual Gauge Track in your plans?
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on May 16, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
John, Do you have any Dual Gauge Track in your plans?
Jim
Hi Jim
Not at this time. I was going to add some dual gauge in this area but the turnouts are not available unless you make them yourself. I don't need another project right now so I decided not to use dual gauge track. We will see what's available when I get around to finishing this area.
John...
Harris Models in Texas shows a bunch of Shinohara dual gauge track products.
Downside.......... code 70.
I have a NG division of Shinohara turnouts and track and if carefully laid works really well. To convert these turnouts to DCC you only need to take out the bronze wiper under the throw bars and then power the frogs from your turnout machine.
I still have some code 70 in my Nampa Yard and the transition joiners are REALLY easy to construct. Take your code 100 or 83 joiners and flatten half of it........ slide it on to the taller rail and then solder the 70 rail to the top of the joiner. It works well and there is almost never a height problem with code 100 transitions. The joiner needs so bending to make 83 work.
I double dog dare you to go for dual gauge ! ! ! !
see ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on May 16, 2017, 02:14:43 PM
John...
Harris Models in Texas shows a bunch of Shinohara dual gauge track products.
Downside.......... code 70.
I have a NG division of Shinohara turnouts and track and if carefully laid works really well. To convert these turnouts to DCC you only need to take out the bronze wiper under the throw bars and then power the frogs from your turnout machine.
I still have some code 70 in my Nampa Yard and the transition joiners are REALLY easy to construct. Take your code 100 or 83 joiners and flatten half of it........ slide it on to the taller rail and then solder the 70 rail to the top of the joiner. It works well and there is almost never a height problem with code 100 transitions. The joiner needs so bending to make 83 work.
I double dog dare you to go for dual gauge ! ! ! !
see ya
Bob
Bob
HI Bob
A double dog dare! WOW. I will check out what's available in dual gauge turnouts - I have a future project in mind. When I first started laying this section out I looked and could not find the dual gauge turnouts available.
This area just isn't big enough but there is a future town called Superior that just might have some dual gauge trackage. You are going to have to follow this thread for a few years to see it.
Today, the workbenches returned to duty on the S&S RR. I restarted my Jacob's Coal build - it will be named Isaac's Coal in this case.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517195049.jpeg)
I also took another yellow box off the shelf. I have been playing with a number of things for the corner near the Mt. Aiden Trestle. I did some measuring and the Mackenzie Milling FSM kit number 215 looks like it is going to fit with a few minor modifications. I cut a piece of gator foam for the base of the build and tried a few different scenarios for the placement of the structures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517200129.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517200055.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517200027.jpeg)
After I got comfortable with the placement, it was back to the workbench to get started.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160517195225.jpeg)
It's already a amazing scene John. I look forward to seeing your progress. The walls look really thick for the milling company or is that your mock up?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 16, 2017, 08:25:40 PM
It's already a amazing scene John. I look forward to seeing your progress. The walls look really thick for the milling company or is that your mock up?
I should have explained better. What you are looking at are the cement walls for the retaining pond. The mill is built on top of them. I'm just playing with the footprint in the pictures. George has a very unique way of turning a block of wood into a weathered cement wall. Stay tuned. This build is an old run down mill that hasn't been operational for years. It going to be right up front on the layout so it will be highly detailed.
I was also playing with the idea of a bridge from Brambell's over to the mill but the elevations just will not work and leave enough room for the mainline. You will notice a gauge in the picture. Conclusion - bridge idea will not work. The hole in the fence will be filled and the stone wall adjusted.
When these two builds are complete and planted I will be able to complete the scenery and declare a 12 foot by 8 foot section of the layout "complete".
Hi John,
Now you are talking my stuff with your structure builds. This will be interesting to follow.
Also about your dilemma with dual HO and HON3 switches. Try Jeff Otto at Oak Hill. He custom builds switches and I am using some of his on my layout. his email is jeff@ohrtracksupply.com
I have that kit too , so am very much looking forward to a build thread of it.
Quote from: sdrees on May 16, 2017, 10:56:52 PM
Hi John,
Now you are talking my stuff with your structure builds. This will be interesting to follow.
Also about your dilemma with dual HO and HON3 switches. Try Jeff Otto at Oak Hill. He custom builds switches and I am using some of his on my layout. his email is jeff@ohrtracksupply.com
Steve
Thanks for the lead on turnouts. I have a lot of structure builds lined up so check back often.
Quote from: Janbouli on May 17, 2017, 03:41:05 AM
I have that kit too , so am very much looking forward to a build thread of it.
Hi Jan
I did a search of build threads on Machenzie and there is very little out there. I will try to take lots of pictures along the way.
Here is the best thread that I found checking all the regular places. It's right here on our own forum
http://modelersforum.com/the-official-fsm-layout-thread!/fsm-mackenzie-milling-co/
Thanks for sharing the link John.
Thank you John, I wish Kimberley would show some more of her work.
Quote from: Janbouli on May 20, 2017, 03:30:17 AM
Thank you John, I wish Kimberley would show some more of her work.
I agree, she showed us some first class modeling.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 19, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Thanks for sharing the link John.
Curt
Your welcome - Like Jan said we need to talk Kimberly into sharing more of her wonderful modeling work with us.
The structure building continued today. Here is a progress picture for my Isaac's Coal Build (FSM Jacob's Coal) - the coal bins are starting to go together.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517160407.jpeg)
John,
Just checking in on your progress. I've built MacKenzie Milling but no longer have it on the diorama. Jacob's has always been one of my favorites.
Of course, I'll be following along.
Tom ;D
John,
I love Seattle and I love your modeling. You have matched that effort with posts that are incredible.
You are a very generous man. Every page is a treasure.
ed
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 20, 2017, 04:34:19 PM
John,
Just checking in on your progress. I've built MacKenzie Milling but no longer have it on the diorama. Jacob's has always been one of my favorites.
Of course, I'll be following along.
Tom ;D
Tom
As always, good to have you following along and to have your input.
Quote from: engine909 on May 20, 2017, 07:44:37 PM
John,
I love Seattle and I love your modeling. You have matched that effort with posts that are incredible.
You are a very generous man. Every page is a treasure.
ed
Ed
Thanks for following along and for your kind words.
I got a good start on the Mackenzie Milling build, today. Since I haven't been able to find a build thread on Mackenzie I will try to take pictures of most of the steps ( I have to keep remembering to take pictures). As usual, I must warn that I tend to deviate from George's wonderful instructions. It's and Engineer thing, can't look at the instructions until I get in trouble. I should also add that some of the older FSM kits recommend the use techniques that I have replaced with new - hopefully improved techniques. So here we go:
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517192826.jpeg)
I started out the day figuring out how I wanted to paint the window castings. I should start out by saying that this is one of the FSM builds where I'm going to model it as the run down - no longer in service mill - as George originally designed it. It is going to occupy a space (see above) that is on the other side of the tracks where the new mainline took out the spur that once serviced it.
So the freshly treated casting in the picture just had the final A&I wash. I started with a primer coat of khaki paint. I then weathered it with two shades of grey chalk. And then finally, set off the details with a alcohol and ink wash.
It looks like it is coming along nicely. I really like the color choice.
Next step, was to figure out the coloring for the outside walls of the run down mill. I tried a number of different techniques and narrowed it down two.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193021.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193021.jpeg)
The bottom sample is the khaki primer paint followed by a barn red "wet brush technique" pealed heavily weathered paint.
The top sample I added the two shades of grey chalk over the khaki paint - then the barn red "wet brush" followed by Alcohol & Ink. This samples had three different levels of the barn red paint. I will be shooting for the middle on the actual build.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 20, 2017, 08:10:42 PM
It looks like it is coming along nicely. I really like the color choice.
Thanks Curt - I think choosing colors is one of the hardest steps for me in starting any build.
The khaki paint that I use.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193128.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193202.jpeg)
Here is the barn red paint that I'm using.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517192938.jpeg)
The popsicle stick in the above picture was another test of the painting technique.
For the details of the "wet brush technique" see the Sierra West Scale Models Website or U-tube. Brett Gallant has a number of great techniques described in his "university" section of his website. If you can get a chance to attend one of his clinics - just do it!
Next step, was getting the casting ready for the paint booth. George's casting are so good that this doesn't take long.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193054.jpeg)
This kit has a number of unique casting that gives the build that run down look.
Here is a picture after the Khaki primer.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193234.jpeg)
The workbench - it didn't take very long for me to mess it up.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193345.jpeg)
Here is the 1983 color add that George ran for this kit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193314.jpeg)
I paid more than $62 dollars for this kit ;) :'(
This kit was made before laser cutting so George cutout the window openings with a table saw. The final cut is up to the modeler in some cases and the wall sections have strategic cut lines that need to be pieced together. I save all the little pieces from the openings for test samples for coloring the next kit. The pieces I used for samples on this kit came from the Brambell's build I did last year.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193548.jpeg)
Here is how I left the walls at the end of the day - ready to test fit the window castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200517193636.jpeg)
Today, I made some more progress on my Jacob's coal build, it is amazing how many pieces of strip wood go into each of the coal bins.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210517190141.jpeg)
So the outside walls of the bin is made of individual boards? If so you're doing a even better job than I thought!
I complied a couple more steps on the Mackenzie build, yesterday. First, I glued the wall sections together. With the "before lasers" kits the windows were cut with a table saw so the wall sections were in two or three pieces.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220517074955.jpeg)
I also started adding the joint lines to the concrete wall sections. The joint lines are put in with a scribe. I will also be adding some cracks, chips, and distress.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220517075032.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220517075032.jpeg)
Just caught up on your thread John.....great start on what looks to be a fun structure.....I'll be watching. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on May 22, 2017, 02:42:45 PM
Just caught up on your thread John.....great start on what looks to be a fun structure.....I'll be watching. 8)
Greg
Thanks for stopping by the thread, I really enjoying both of these builds.
I didn't get much bench time today but I did get the wall bracing completed.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220517212945.jpeg)
I also painted the inside of the walls with the Khaki primer.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220517213012.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220517213043.jpeg)
John,
Building two of George's kits at once, and doing an awesome job with both. Wow!
FWIW, I love those rattle can camo colors.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on May 23, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
John,
Building two of George's kits at once, and doing an awesome job with both. Wow!
FWIW, I love those rattle can camo colors.
Jerry
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words. The camo paint in the rattle can has become my new Floquil Earth. And no airbrush to clean ;D ;D ;D . I haven't found driftwood in a can yet but you can get there with the Khaki and some pigments. That is what I'm doing on the Mackenzie build. I really like the look of the pigments and chalks on top of the primer color - I think it's the texture as much as the color.
After the issue I had yesterday with the black I will follow your lead and spray the rattle can "sand" on the inside instead of black. Thanks for the idea.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 23, 2017, 10:36:53 AM
After the issue I had yesterday with the black I will follow your lead and spray the rattle can "sand" on the inside instead of black. Thanks for the idea.
I hope it works for you. Let us know.
I only got a few minutes of bench time in today. I started gluing the walls together for Mackenzie. I'm using my new process of doing the assembly and then painting and weathering the walls. Rather than doing the painting and weathering of the walls flat and then assembling. I have done this on my last couple of builds and like it better. I don't have to do all the touchup work from that assembly process. When I get all the walls together I will take it to the paint booth and spray the khaki primer coat.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230517224842.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230517224842.jpeg)
John,
Interesting approach. I always used to assemble the structure before painting the walls, but several years ago I switched to doing the walls flat on my work area. That has worked well fo me, but as you say, some touchup is necessary after assembly. I'll be watching closely to see if maybe I should return to the way I used to build.
Hi John:
I have the Khaki & the Sand camouflage paint. I use the sand as I think it looks more like Floquil Earth for wood casting. If you have the sand give it a try and let me know what you think.
Thanks:
Karl
Quote from: jerryrbeach on May 24, 2017, 07:47:29 AM
John,
Interesting approach. I always used to assemble the structure before painting the walls, but several years ago I switched to doing the walls flat on my work area. That has worked well fo me, but as you say, some touchup is necessary after assembly. I'll be watching closely to see if maybe I should return to the way I used to build.
I find when I use the pigments and chalks it's easier for me to have the wall built. If I was adding a big sign to the wall I would do that flat on the workbench. I think there is no right or wrong on this one just what you like better.
Quote from: postalkarl on May 24, 2017, 07:49:53 AM
Hi John:
I have the Khaki & the Sand camouflage paint. I use the sand as I think it looks more like Floquil Earth for wood casting. If you have the sand give it a try and let me know what you think.
Thanks:
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have the sand color too. I use that when I want newer looking wood. The Khaki as the primer seems to give me a older weathered wood look. With chalks, most of the color is coming from the chalk the primer is the shadow or under layer. At least that's the way my eyes see it. Next time I'm doing color testing I will do a side by side sample to show the different affects.
I made some progress on both builds. First, Jacob's (now Isaac's) Coal is progressing - I have partially built bins laying all over the work bench. I glue a few sticks on each one and then move on to the Mackenzie build. I moved between the two builds all day long as the glue dried.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517201841.jpeg)
Speaking of the Mackenzie build Karl suggested that I try the sand colored camo paint as the primer. So I did. Here is a sequence of pictures showing the progression of the process with both the sand colored primer on the top and the khaki on the bottom. The khaki sample that is shown has been through all but the A&I step. I did two samples one with the pop sickle stick and one with a scrap of the clap board.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517201954.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517201954.jpeg)
Next step add the two shades of grey chalk.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202125.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202203.jpeg)
Next the barn red "wet brushed" acrylic paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202238.jpeg)
Next the A&I. This is what it looked like wet.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202317.jpeg)
Here is after it dried.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202350.jpeg)
Trying to picture what it's going to look like on the full wall.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202437.jpeg)
So then, since I had the structure partially glued together, I decided to take a look at what it would look like in the location I have picked out on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202558.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202625.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202701.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202742.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202814.jpeg)
So, after careful consideration, I decided to stick with the khaki for the windows and doors and go with the sand camo primer for the clapboard siding. Thanks for the idea Karl.
On another front or project on the S&S RR. Don Ledger has sent me three batches of pine trees so far. Wayne and I are going to have a couple of fun days planting trees in the next couple of weeks. Don will be sending the smaller trees this week.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240517202847.jpeg)
I really liked the show and tell with the popsicle sticks. The kahki to me is surprising as my eyes see a lot of grey in it. The structure is going to look incredible built and in that location. I look forward to seeing your progress as you proceed.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 24, 2017, 09:25:02 PM
I really liked the show and tell with the popsicle sticks. The kahki to me is surprising as my eyes see a lot of grey in it. The structure is going to look incredible built and in that location. I look forward to seeing your progress as you proceed.
Curt
Thanks for stopping by the thread - I'm trying to remember to take pictures along the way with these builds and the color choices are always tough for me. I go through a lot of popsicle sticks. ;)
Hey, I really like those trees.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on May 25, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
Hey, I really like those trees.
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I think the new trees are really going to complement the ones I already have.
Looking good John.....that area of the layout is really starting to come alive. 8)
Quote from: GPdemayo on May 26, 2017, 08:30:03 AM
Looking good John.....that area of the layout is really starting to come alive. 8)
Thanks Greg - as soon as I finish these two builds I'm going to finish this section of the layout. It's about 8 x 12 feet - I want to have a section that is finished. At least as finished as any layout ever is.
I made some progress on painting the castings for my two FSM builds. Primer is on all the castings and I'm starting to mount the ones that need detail painting on popsicle sticks. I will take some pictures when there is more to show.
I spend most of the day doing assembly work on the Mackenzie Milling build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517214024.jpeg)
Here is one of the details George has on this build the clapboard siding has blown off exposing the underlayment.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213452.jpeg)
I then brought in the survey crew and started the process of deciding the final location for the mill on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213528.jpeg)
After viewing the model from many different angles. I decided it needed to line up with the railing rather than the Brambell's build behind.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213710.jpeg)
A few pictures of what I was looking at.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517212903.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517212828.jpeg)
During this process I decided that the build was too high so I decided to lower it by 3/4 of an inch. So the top layer of the benchwork was removed.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517211817.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517212935.jpeg)
This allowed the gator board base to be lowered 3/4 of an inch.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213012.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213051.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213150.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213255.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213332.jpeg)
This change really helped the look of the elevation and the base board is headed back to the workbench to glue down the concrete walls.
I also did some layout work for the Jacob's build. I will be building it with 6 coal bins and the loading conveyer will be at the end of the building.
Here are a few pictures of the base board in place on the layout with the bin roof cards used to establish the space required.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213944.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213905.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280517213831.jpeg)
Looks great John. Watching your layout progress is like time lapse of the real thing. First, there are these massive natural scenes of rocky cliffs. Then, the trestles creep in and provide access followed by structures leading to populated little areas among the mountains. Beautiful work!
John
Quote from: Cuse on May 29, 2017, 07:28:14 AM
Looks great John. Watching your layout progress is like time lapse of the real thing. First, there are these massive natural scenes of rocky cliffs. Then, the trestles creep in and provide access followed by structures leading to populated little areas among the mountains. Beautiful work!
John
John
Thank you for following the thread and for the kind words. Taking this approach has really helped me make the scenes look natural. The mountain locations were in many cases dictated by hiding some feature of the basement like the support polls, heating ducts, plumbing, stairs, and the general shape of the room. So the track layout was very much like build a real railroad - how do I get a train from here to there with all these mountains in the way. It helps to love mountains and mountain scenery.
Very nice work John. I bet it was a pain removing a layer of plywood without destroying everything around it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 29, 2017, 11:43:35 AM
Very nice work John. I bet it was a pain removing a layer of plywood without destroying everything around it.
Hi Curt
It wasn't to bad. I put a router bit on the dremel so I would only cut down 3/4 of an inch and cut out the opening. Getting the plywood loose from the old layout benchwork was a pain - a chisel was required. If you look closely in the hole that I created you can see the old location of a light house from my previous layout.
Quote from: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
.... If you look closely in the hole that I created you can see the old location of a light house from my previous layout.
Layout archeology!
dave
Quote from: deemery on May 29, 2017, 05:28:15 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on May 29, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
.... If you look closely in the hole that I created you can see the old location of a light house from my previous layout.
Layout archeology!
dave
Exactly! I can't tell you how many times I have found tools when I cut into the old benchwork. Files, track cutters, templates, etc.
Today, I got on a roll with the Mackenzie build. I finished the bracing on the main structure and finished scribing the concrete wall section. Then I started gluing the concrete wall sections to the base board. I made a few minor changes to make the wall sections fit the location on my layout. I also added a wood section that will help fit the build into the layout. This following few pictures describes the build sequence.
Final location established.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201520.jpeg)
Gluing the concrete wall sections to the baseboard.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201552.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201625.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201658.jpeg)
Test fit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201739.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201811.jpeg)
Time to let the glue dry - back to the Jacob's build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290517201852.jpeg)
John,
Coming nicely, I'll be following along as usual.
Excellent job. I look forward to it coming together.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on May 30, 2017, 07:22:48 AM
John,
Coming nicely, I'll be following along as usual.
Hi Jerry
Thanks for following along and the kind words.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 30, 2017, 07:46:40 AM
Excellent job. I look forward to it coming together.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words.
Today, I decided to tackle the trestle radius problem that I posted a few weeks back. I have been dreading this job - I hate redo's.
Just to remind everyone I got to cute with an S curve between the two Mt. Aiden trestles and have had some problems with derails with the big steam locomotives. I need to remove the S curve - even though I stuck to a 28 inch radius and have a 3 inch straight between the two radii - it just to much for the big guys.
So today, I removed the track off the small trestle without having any problems with damaging the trestle. I have a plan on the repair - but what I didn't do is take a picture. I'm going to be working on an outside project for the next couple of days but when I return to the layout I will take some progress pictures.
I managed to get a few hours at the workbench this morning before I started all my outside chores. Added the support pilers for the structure on the Mackenzie build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174423.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174505.jpeg)
I also applied a coat of primer to the cement work.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174539.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174614.jpeg)
Really new cement. Next we need to age it about a 100 years.
John,
That looks more like a newly whitewashed barn, looking forward to seeing it age 100 years right before my eyes.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on June 04, 2017, 06:48:44 AM
John,
That looks more like a newly whitewashed barn, looking forward to seeing it age 100 years right before my eyes.
Jerry
Your are correct - very light grey. It does do a good job of sealing the wood. I'm going to be adding lots of scenery to this and I don't want the wood to warp.
Great job John..... 8) That's going to make some great looking poured in place concrete walls!
Are you sure that isn't poured concrete ? Looks real to me.
You sure do good work.
Jim
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color. ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)
dave
Quote from: GPdemayo on June 04, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
Great job John..... 8) That's going to make some great looking poured in place concrete walls!
Greg
Well, so far so good, I'm real curious to see how the cracks look after the weathering. Most of the color will come from the pigments and chalks to follow.
Quote from: jimmillho on June 04, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
Are you sure that isn't poured concrete ? Looks real to me.
You sure do good work.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. Now, I need to make this concrete look like it was poured a 100 years ago.
Quote from: deemery on June 04, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color. ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)
dave
Dave
I plan to have a lot of olive in the next few steps. Pigments will be my tool of choice. The little bit of water that will be in the bottom is going to be real green and slimy. I use mostly pigments, pan pastels, and chalks from here on out. With A&I thrown in for the darkening and highlighting. Let's see where it takes us. I have a lot of surface to practice on because it will be covered in the final diorama.
Quote from: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: deemery on June 04, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color. ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)
dave
Dave
I plan to have a lot of olive in the next few steps. Pigments will be my tool of choice. The little bit of water that will be in the bottom is going to be real green and slimy. I use mostly pigments, pan pastels, and chalks from here on out. With A&I thrown in for the darkening and highlighting. Let's see where it takes us. I have a lot of surface to practice on because it will be covered in the final diorama.
I was suggesting that some concrete does have a slight green tinge to it (independent of pond slime :-) )
dave
Quote from: deemery on June 04, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on June 04, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: deemery on June 04, 2017, 12:37:57 PM
Try mixing a very small amount of olive to that primer, and see if you like the result as a good concrete color. ("Holy Driftwood" has a slight greenish tinge to it, and it makes a good weathered concrete color.)
dave
Dave
I plan to have a lot of olive in the next few steps. Pigments will be my tool of choice. The little bit of water that will be in the bottom is going to be real green and slimy. I use mostly pigments, pan pastels, and chalks from here on out. With A&I thrown in for the darkening and highlighting. Let's see where it takes us. I have a lot of surface to practice on because it will be covered in the final diorama.
I was suggesting that some concrete does have a slight green tinge to it (independent of pond slime :-) )
dave
Dave
I understood what you meant - there is a a lot of green in concrete depending on how much sun it sees. I made some progress with the weathering today, I will post some pictures tomorrow.
Most regular mixes of concrete have a slight greenish tint when it is poured.
Depending on humidity and temperature, it generally lightens within a short amount of time. :)
Quote from: GPdemayo on June 05, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Most regular mixes of concrete have a slight greenish tint when it is poured.
Depending on humidity and temperature, it generally lightens within a short amount of time. :)
Hi Greg
I remember new concrete being referred to as green make in my days of doing construction with my Dad. The green started to disappear as the concrete dried.
So here are a couple pictures of my aging concrete as it sits on my workbench this morning. I will post detailed pictures of the steps I went through to get to this point later today. What do you think?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617101505.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617103020.jpeg)
I think you did a great job, and I believe you said previously that it's supposed to be old.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 05, 2017, 01:07:04 PM
I think you did a great job, and I believe you said previously that it's supposed to be old.
Curt
Thanks for your comments, yes - this is going to be an old and run down abandoned mill. Most of the cement work will be hidden but I want what shows to look right.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice , great looking concrete, very convincing.
Concrete looks great, John.
Jeff
Quote from: Janbouli on June 05, 2017, 03:31:44 PM
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice , great looking concrete, very convincing.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on June 05, 2017, 06:00:57 PM
Concrete looks great, John.
Jeff
Jeff
Thanks. After letting it sit on my workbench for the day, while I was back working on the fine tuning of the track work, I have decided that I'm happy with it for now. Any changes will be part of the fine detailing at the end of the build. I often need to just get away from a project for a day and come back and take a second look before I decided, it's done.
As promised, here are the detailed steps in the process I used for the concrete walls. The first step, as reported above was the premier which was a very light gray.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030617174614.jpeg)
Next, I used the Neutral Grey Shade Pan Pastel. Which to me is the color of cured concrete.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617083630.jpeg)
After more progress.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617084307.jpeg)
I should mention that all of the joint lines and cracks and chips were added using a scribe or a rotary tool with a fine diamond cutter.
After all of the surfaces had been covered, using the sponge applicator, with the neutral grey shade I covered everything with a coat of A&I (my two tsp. to the quart of alcohol solution) with a 1/2 inch brush. This highlighted the cracks and joints along with the saw marks and woodgrain of the original wood. I think this really helps make it look like ported concrete - because wood forms would have been used in the original construction.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617193425.jpeg)
I then added some dark green and lighter brown pastels in a pattern that ended up looking like camouflage before they are blended.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617085742.jpeg)
I also added a lighter shade of grey because I thought it was getting a little to dark. All four colors of pan pastels can be seen in this picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617191809.jpeg)
You will also notice from the picture above that the camouflage look is now gone. I do this by blending everything together with the large brush shown in this picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050617192116.jpeg)
It is not until the blending process that it starts to look right.
I also added the two inlet pipes and painted them rail brown and then followed with a dark rust pan pastel.
At this point I have described the steps I went through to produce the color and look of the concrete walls as they sit on my workbench, today. I'm now going to move on to the structure and leave any further detailing work on the concrete wall until the end where I will blend in the scenery materials for the final scene.
John,
That's a great transformation from primer to aged concrete, thanks for the photos and explanation.
Thanks for the great tutorial photos!
dave
Quote from: jerryrbeach on June 06, 2017, 07:04:40 AM
John,
That's a great transformation from primer to aged concrete, thanks for the photos and explanation.
Jerry
Thanks for the kind words and for following the thread.
Quote from: deemery on June 06, 2017, 08:34:34 AM
Thanks for the great tutorial photos!
dave
Dave
Thanks for stopping by the thread and your welcome on the photos. I hope someone finds them helpful.
Hard to believe that wall has set around for100 years and the building still isn't done.
Great looking job John.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on June 06, 2017, 10:56:17 AM
Hard to believe that wall has set around for100 years and the building still isn't done.
Great looking job John.
Jim
Jim
Good point - I'm going to build it and then make it look 100 years old. Welcome to model railroading.
I have been spending the time I had for the layout the last couple of days working on the track changes to the Mt. Aiden Trestle. With the changes I can achieve a 28 inch minimum radius and eliminate the S curve. I think it's going to work! ;D
I'm interested in how you fixed the problem. Can you post a picture? :)
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 08, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
I'm interested in how you fixed the problem. Can you post a picture? :)
Curt
I will this weekend - I'm currently on Grandpa duty taking care of my Grandson so his mother can sleep. My daughter works 12 hour nursing shifts at night. I help out when she has to work during the week. Actually finding it to be a lot of fun spending time with him. I missed a lot of this with my own kids working 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week.
The track issue with my trestles is that I created an artistic S curve between the large and small trestles of Mt. Aiden. The trains looked great going through the S but I broke the rule of having a straight between the two curves that was at least as long as my longest locomotive. The big steam locomotives were derailing. Now, the trains will go around the curve have a straight and then go around the second curve. As I said above, I will post pictures.
The trestle track changes have been completed and tested. The problem has been solved. The next few posts will describe the solution.
Here is what the track work through the area looked like before the changes. Minimum radius was 28 inches with an S curve.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617190656.jpeg)
This track configuration worked fine with the diesels and the smaller steam locomotives. But when the larger steam locomotives got to the sharper radius combined with the S they derailed.
This is the new track configuration with a minimum of a 32 inch radius and 10 inches of straight rail between the two radii.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194553.jpeg)
The new track work was tested first with a 3 locomotive diesel consist with a number of box cars a passenger car and a caboose.
This train was test run across the trestle at increasing speeds through the scale speed ranges without incident. At this point the train was run at "Judge Speed" also with out incident. I learned about Judge speed from Tom Langford's build thread. It seems the Judge is a little heavy on the throttle.
Here is the test train.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194321.jpeg)
Here is the test train traveling the length of the trestles at "Judge Speed". ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194145.jpeg)
The next step was to get the largest steam locomotive owned by the S&S RR - a locomotive acquired from the Union Pacific Number 3671 a 2-8-8-2.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617193814.jpeg)
This locomotive was tested back and forth through the two trestles with increasing speeds without incident.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617193814.jpeg)
The Engineer on the 2-8-8-2 was not going to be outdone by a diesel so the locomotive was tested at full speed ( speed step 126) both forward and backward. After 12 test runs the problem was declared solved. This part of the railroad is ready for the Judge and/or my Grandkids to visit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194000.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617194000.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100617193629.jpeg)
It should be noted that the 2-8-8-2 locomotive couldn't get across the small trestle at any speed before the changes. This was also true for any of the 2-8-2 locomotives in the S&S RR fleet.
That's an accomplishment of the first order! I like the "zoom-zoom" photos, too.
dave
Great job, it definitely sounds like it's fixed.. Can you post a picture like the one showing the problem so we see how you fixed it?
Quote from: deemery on June 10, 2017, 08:46:11 PM
That's an accomplishment of the first order! I like the "zoom-zoom" photos, too.
dave
Dave
Thanks for stopping by - yes one more check mark. It is amazing how a small change in track work can make all the difference in the world.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 10, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
Great job, it definitely sounds like it's fixed.. Can you post a picture like the one showing the problem so we see how you fixed it?
Curt
Take a look at the picture on the bottom of page 31. The big difference is that there is a 10 inch straight between the two curves. I also went from a 28 inch radius minimum radius on the smaller trestle curve to a 32 inch minimum. I added about a 1/2 inch of planking on the close end of the trestle. It is all hid by the landform.
One more point on the track work changes. I didn't take the S completely out of the track so I still have the winding train look that I was looking for in the first place. I just added a straight section in-between the transition of the two radii. And I also added 4 inches to the radius across the smaller trestle.
Hi John.....great fix with your "S" curve. 8)
Just a small correction to your post above. In order to set the record straight and to keep the judge from an undeserved bad reputation.....the Judge, being the judge, does almost everything on the up and up, including running at or below the posted speeds on the A&S.
I, however, am the resident scofflaw, when it comes to blowing by the posted speeds at "Greg Speed." I have tried to behave, but I am so used to going 150 to 200 mph in a small plane that running a loco that slowly gives me the shakes something fierce. It takes a Diet Pepsi and a couple of hours rest to settle down from the ordeal.
I do however behave when I visit other layouts. I wouldn't want to get a bad reputation in the hobby. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: GPdemayo on June 11, 2017, 08:32:10 AM
Hi John.....great fix with your "S" curve. 8)
Just a small correction to your post above. In order to set the record straight and to keep the judge from an undeserved bad reputation.....the Judge, being the judge, does almost everything on the up and up, including running at or below the posted speeds on the A&S.
I, however, am the resident scofflaw, when it comes to blowing by the posted speeds at "Greg Speed." I have tried to behave, but I am so used to going 150 to 200 mph in a small plane that running a loco that slowly gives me the shakes something fierce. It takes a Diet Pepsi and a couple of hours rest to settle down from the ordeal.
I do however behave when I visit other layouts. I wouldn't want to get a bad reputation in the hobby. ;D ;D ;D
Oh - I don't want to get in trouble with the Judge. I was referring to a few comments that Tom made about his Engineering in a couple of the video's. So, I will now refer to full throttle operations as Greg's speed here on the forum. Thanks for the correction Greg.
Here is a picture of the changes to the trestles with just the track gauges in place. First gauge is a 10 inch straight, followed by 2 - 32 inch radius curves then a 34, 36 and 40 inch radius transition on to the straight track on the far right.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110617085932.jpeg)
Looks awesome John.
I spent most of the day today running trains. I'm real happy with the way things are running at this point. A few areas to work on but that's to be expected. The only real problem area is the hidden helix that I had to build in the mountain. I'm getting some uncoupling
and a few derailments and can't figure out what's causing them. Next step will be to run the camera car through the layout and see if I can spot the trouble. Tomorrow, I think I'm going to plant the more than 400 trees I have made ahead. It will be amazing how fast the layout swallows them up.
Update 06/15/17: I have been spending what time I had for the layout the last few days planting trees, and cleaning up for a open house that I'm hosting for the local train gang. After this process is complete I'm going to start focusing on a square foot at a time with scenery and structures. I have a few track work improvement projects and about 40 feet of the Narrow Gauge line to complete that will be my diversion project when I'm waiting for the glue to dry. Like most summers I have smaller blocks of time to devote to the layout so I want projects where I can get something done in a few hours and that are easy to start and stop.
John,
I just ordered 1 1/2 bushels of super trees from SE. Building trees is boring but I sure love the end result of how they look on the layout.
Looking forward to what you will be doing with yours. Your layout is wonderful and the mountain scenery is the best I've seen - ANYWHERE!
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 15, 2017, 07:24:57 PM
John,
I just ordered 1 1/2 bushels of super trees from SE. Building trees is boring but I sure love the end result of how they look on the layout.
Looking forward to what you will be doing with yours. Your layout is wonderful and the mountain scenery is the best I've seen - ANYWHERE!
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words my friend.
I had a great Father's day weekend running trains with my Grandsons.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190617115558.jpeg)
Update: Since I have the benchwork all cleaned off for a Show and Tell session with my local rail gang, I'm going to take a series of walking tour pictures of the layout. I will be posting them later in the week. The pictures will serve as a design baseline that I can markup and use for structure design and placement.
John,
That is the best picture I have seen of someones layout in years. You and those two boys are what's it's all about.
I now know you much better. Thank you for greatly enhancing my day. That picture I will save and look at often.
I hope the AK books you got enhance your weathering. From what I see you are quite good without them.
You are a very cool dude.
ed
Quote from: engine909 on June 20, 2017, 07:00:02 PM
John,
That is the best picture I have seen of someones layout in years. You and those two boys are what's it's all about.
I now know you much better. Thank you for greatly enhancing my day. That picture I will save and look at often.
I hope the AK books you got enhance your weathering. From what I see you are quite good without them.
You are a very cool dude.
ed
Ed
Thanks for stopping by the the thread and the kind words. The Grandsons enjoy running trains on the layout and finding what I have changed since their last visit. I agree that it's one of the best parts of the hobby. I will be spending a few hours in my gazebo this summer seeing what I can learn from the AK books. They look great.
The Superior & Seattle RR has survived our first open house. The trains ran! ;) :o ;D I hosted a few of the local train gang members an operations group. I learned a few things in the process - the biggest take away is that getting the layout ready for a showing is a lot of work. I have gained a new respect for all the layout owners that have hosted me over the years. Thank you. I also want to thank Wayne Olson for his help and for manning the throttle while I talked about all the plans for things to come. We only had one mishap, I decided to run a train while I was talking and ran a switch. :-[ I need to get the electronic turnout controls operational before my next group of visitors. Finally, I want to thank everyone that came to visit.
Today, while the benchwork is clean, I'm going to take a series of pictures that I will use for design and structure placement. I will be sharing the pictures and the plans over the coming weeks in posts here on the forum. I'm planning on doing this once a year so I have a history of the progress towards completion from here on out.
I'm back working on my Isaac's Coal build. I had three sessions today of gluing more of the supports on the coal bins. Here is a picture after one of them.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240617204422.jpeg)
I'm just about done with all six of the coal bins for Isaac's Coal. There are an amazing number of details to add to these coal bins. I will be touching up the coloring (lots of cut ends and edges to color) and then the next step will be to glue them to the roof card. It will start looking like a coaling facility, soon.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040717113526.jpeg)
You've bin hard at work, John!
dave
They look great John.
Quote from: deemery on July 04, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
You've bin hard at work, John!
dave
Dave
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have a few hours in those coal bins but I'm happy with the way they are turning out.
Those are some really neat looking coal bins John. Love to see them in place.
Jim
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 04, 2017, 12:27:48 PM
They look great John.
Curt
Thanks, I have some work to do to get the colors right. Chalk and alcohol will do the trick.
Quote from: jimmillho on July 04, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
Those are some really neat looking coal bins John. Love to see them in place.
Jim
Thanks, Jim. I should be gluing them to the base board later this week.
Quote from: deemery on July 04, 2017, 12:26:11 PM
You've bin hard at work, John!
dave
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.ccm2.net%2Fes.ccm.net%2Ffaq%2Fimages%2FUd6krzOUaQiVrbx4IWkuzUrMD8vWr4qbG1wMtmWKQ94r7Doi6fybXXnACJoLFtKR-lol.png&hash=84991a7a802968cf28cbc001ed92c0a66cc9c089)
Great work John.
Quote from: Donato on July 05, 2017, 12:40:30 PM
Great work John.
Thanks Donato. I know it's really play but don't tell anyone - I'm enjoying my second childhood. ;) ;D ;D ;D
John,
I'm just getting up to date on your thread. I love the coal bins, great job on them. I have the coal bunker FSM kit but not sure I'll be able to use it, unless I can fit it in on center portion of my layout.
Wonderful family picture of you and the boys. What a great photo of have for father's Day.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 05, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
John,
I'm just getting up to date on your thread. I love the coal bins, great job on them. I have the coal bunker FSM kit but not sure I'll be able to use it, unless I can fit it in on center portion of my layout.
Wonderful family picture of you and the boys. What a great photo of have for father's Day.
Tom ;D
Hi Tom
Thanks for stopping by and getting caught up. I have the FSM coal bunker on my build list - it will go on the back side of my Eagles Nest yard on the end with the Stone Round House.
We gave the layout a good workout running trains last week - I had my Grandsons and two of my nephews here for three days running trains. One of my nephews is in his 20's and the other is 14 and the trains kept them off the computer games. I was impressed.
That's unusual John. Great job.
Hi John:
Glad you had a good Father's Day with your Grandsons. Isaac's cola is looking pretty good to.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on July 06, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
Hi John:
Glad you had a good Father's Day with your Grandsons. Isaac's cola is looking pretty good to.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words.
Today, the newly acquired S&S RR Locomotive - GN 1147 2-8-0 was photographed being tested on the S&S RR.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717214909.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717214947.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717215026.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717215108.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717215200.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717215315.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717215346.jpeg)
I also made some progress on my Issac's Coal build. I started by touching up the coloring of the coal bins. Here is a picture of the pallet of four chalk colors that I'm using on this build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717210457.jpeg)
The next step was to glue the coal bins to the top cards. This was done upside down.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717210550.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the back side of the coal bins when the glue was dry and all six were turned back on their legs.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717210905.jpeg)
You can see how the colors are more even now. I still have one more round of blending and touchup to do. Then it will be time for the detailing.
This is were I left off for the day on this build - just started gluing the roof assembly together. Remember, this is a double kit so there will be two groups of three coal bins.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717210641.jpeg)
I also made some progress on my Mackenzie Milling build. The main structure assembly was completed and it made it's way to the paint booth for the primer coat.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213151.jpeg)
Here are a few pictures after the sand color was added.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213228.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213310.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213519.jpeg)
Next step is to add the chalks.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213419.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213448.jpeg)
Here is a photograph of the smaller structure component after the chalks are applied.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060717213346.jpeg)
It looks great on the trestle.
I made some more progress today on the Mackenzie Build. Here is a picture of the small structure after the A&I step.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070717193240.jpeg)
I then added the barn red using the Brett Gallent wet brushing technique. Here is a picture of the pallet card, the brush and the paper towel I used to remove most of the paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070717193202.jpeg)
Here is the structure after the paint was applied.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070717193130.jpeg)
That's going to look great when put all together.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 08, 2017, 10:47:53 AM
That's going to look great when put all together.
Curt
Thanks - it's coming along slow but sure.
John, do you thin the paint or is it as it comes out of the bottle? Looks great.
Jeff
Superb, the coal bins are awesome.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on July 08, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
John, do you thin the paint or is it as it comes out of the bottle? Looks great.
Jeff
Jeff
The paint is right out of the bottle. I need to put a warning label on this, though. Wipe the brush on the paper towel until you think you got all the paint out of it. Then, wipe it across the structure. I'm using about a 3/8 inch brush. It took some practice before I was ready to do the real structure. The bottom line is a am really liking this technique. For the builds on the layout that will be in the run down or slightly run down state this is my technique of choice. Again, credit goes to Brett Gallent of SierraWest who taught me the technique at a Narrow Gauge Clinic a few years back. Brett also has a video of the technique on U-tube - at least it was there a year ago when I decided to freshen up my recollection of the technique. If you go out and find it, please post a note or link here so everyone can find it.
Quote from: Janbouli on July 08, 2017, 05:14:15 PM
Superb, the coal bins are awesome.
Jan
Thanks, I'm trying to figure out what I want to do for shingles right now.
So here are a few pictures of the Mackenzie Milling main structure walls after the signs were added and the wet brushing technique was used.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175203.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175247.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175327.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175409.jpeg)
The next step is to get all the window and door casting along with the detail casting painted. The window castings are going to get the same chalk treatment that I used on the wood structure with the three colors of gray chalk. Then, I will give them a once over with A & I and glue them to the walls.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175444.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175444.jpeg)
You will notice that I'm assembling the structure before I paint it. I did this for the first time with my Brambell's build and I like the way it's working out. When I painted everything flat and then assembled I found that I was doing a lot of touchup work. So far I have no reason to go back to the old technique.
And now for an update on my second build, Isaac's Coal. Here is an overall picture of where I'm at. You are looking at the front side of half of the structure and the back side of the other half. It's just where I was at when I took the picture. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717175520.jpeg)
Very nicely done .... two thumbs up my friend
Eric Quebec city
Quote from: EricQuebec on July 08, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
Very nicely done .... two thumbs up my friend
Eric Quebec city
Eric
Thanks for stopping by and for the kind words.
My next step on Isaac's coal is to pick the color for the cedar shingle roof. Here are a few pictures of the choices.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717180432.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717180508.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717180541.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717180617.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717180716.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080717180755.jpeg)
Right now I'm leaning toward the grey shingles and making any changes to the color to make them look like they have been in a coal dust environment using chalks. I would be interested in your opinion.
Any other color shingles would turn grey, anyway, with all the coal dust.
dave
Looks really good.
John,
I like the Grey shingles the best.
When you get done with the chalks, I think they will look Awesome.
Jim
Quote from: deemery on July 08, 2017, 07:39:30 PM
Any other color shingles would turn grey, anyway, with all the coal dust.
dave
Dave
Yes - I believe you are correct. Looks like a need to order some more grey shingles so I know I'll have enough.
I like 3 and 4 , but they will all look good.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 08, 2017, 08:08:28 PM
Looks really good.
Curt
Thanks - the window castings should really help balance it out.
Quote from: jimmillho on July 08, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
John,
I like the Grey shingles the best.
When you get done with the chalks, I think they will look Awesome.
Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the words of encouragement - we will see how they look on the building.
Quote from: Janbouli on July 08, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
I like 3 and 4 , but they will all look good.
Jan
I understand why you like the way 3 and 4 look - blend right in with the rest of the structure - and I can blend some chalk in to get that color if the grey doesn't look good on the building. I'm looking for some contrast - I can never tell until I see it on the structure.
Quote from: S&S RR on July 08, 2017, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: Janbouli on July 08, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
I like 3 and 4 , but they will all look good.
Jan
I understand why you like the way 3 and 4 look - blend right in with the rest of the structure - and I can blend some chalk in to get that color if the grey doesn't look good on the building. I'm looking for some contrast - I can never tell until I see it on the structure.
Yes , exactly John, for contrast the grey will be great.
I completed one half of one building with the grey shingles today. Here is a photograph before weathering and pigeons.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090717155410.jpeg)
Great job. The shingles are awesome.
Looking good John..... 8)
Thanks Greg and Curt.
Update on the track work testing: I started this build thread with the idea of posting all the things I wished I had read on someone else's thread before I started to design and build my second layout.
So here is a lesson learned. Minimum main line radius 36 inches with #8 turnouts is the new standard on the S&S RR.
Previous standard: 28 inch minimum radius with #6 turnouts.
The reason: I want to be able to run steam locomotives reliably.
I just ordered the curved turnouts I needed to implement this new standard. After running trains for a couple weeks the only place I was having troubles, and only with the steam locomotives, was with #6 turnouts and curve radii below 34 inches. I changed out a 7 1/2 curved turnout that caused a few derailments with the steam locomotives with a #8 and the problems went away.
FYI: 7 1/2 curved turnout has a 32 inch and 28 inch radius
8 curved turnout has a 36 inch and 32 inch radius
Switching out the turnouts is going to cost me a few EXPO dollars and a few days work but I think it will make big difference to the running of the layout. It is a little challenging in places "this is a mountain layout" but I have decided to take this little step backwards. If you are reading this thread making notes for your layout "this is a big deal".
One more note on the minimum radius issue. If you read the manufactures specifications on the locomotives I'm running they all say minimum radius of 18 inches. Maybe at yard speed.
I made some progress on the Mackenzie Build, today. I finished adding the walls so I could do more of the detailing on my workbench before I plant the diorama on my layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717195715.jpeg)
The idea with these walls is that they will hold the sand and scenery materials until the diorama gets to the layout and then I will blend it in with the rest of the scenery.
Back on the workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717193558.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717195522.jpeg)
I then painted the walls black and started to add some foam filler for the land forms.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-120717193705.jpeg)
That's going to be a great addition to your layout.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 12, 2017, 08:06:32 PM
That's going to be a great addition to your layout.
Curt
Thanks - I'm real happy with the way it's turning out so far.
Today's update: I will be adding the sand and scenery materials along with finishing the window casting installation next on the Mackenzie build.
On the Isaac's coal build I'm building the front platforms while I wait for more shingles to arrive.
My main project is replacing the 7 1/2 curved turnouts with number 8's. It is amazing how much difference this makes with the steam locomotives.
I had a very nice chat with George Sellios, yesterday. He told me that he is enjoying retirement and spending a lot of time working on his layout. He said he is reviewing the pictures we are posting on the forum and finding ways to make the scenes better. Usually, by adding more details or mini-scenes. I can't wait to get back to the F&SM for a visit.
Update: My layout time has been very limited the last few weeks - it's the busy summer season. We need to take advantage of the nice weather while we have it. I have been getting a few hours a day which I have been using to make the track adjustments and changes that we found with the testing. Progress is being made but at a summer time pace. ;)
Quote from: S&S RR on July 15, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
I had a very nice chat with George Sellios, yesterday. He told me that he is enjoying retirement and spending a lot of time working on his layout. He said he is reviewing the pictures we are posting on the forum and finding ways to make the scenes better. Usually, by adding more details or mini-scenes. I can't wait to get back to the F&SM for a visit.
I wouldn't think that's possible yet I'm certain George will find a way to prove me wrong. :D :D :D
Mackenzie's is coming along nicely. I built that one a long, long time ago. Like every other FSM kit I've built over the years it was a lot of fun.
Hi Bob:
I was at the F&SM in June and it just keeps getting better. I very much enjoyed my visit. I talk with George Regularly and yes he is enjoying his retirement.
Karl
Quote from: ReadingBob on July 21, 2017, 08:07:17 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 15, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
I had a very nice chat with George Sellios, yesterday. He told me that he is enjoying retirement and spending a lot of time working on his layout. He said he is reviewing the pictures we are posting on the forum and finding ways to make the scenes better. Usually, by adding more details or mini-scenes. I can't wait to get back to the F&SM for a visit.
I wouldn't think that's possible yet I'm certain George will find a way to prove me wrong. :D :D :D
Mackenzie's is coming along nicely. I built that one a long, long time ago. Like every other FSM kit I've built over the years it was a lot of fun.
Hi Bob
Thanks for stopping by the thread. George called last week and gave me an update on the changes he is making. As Karl mentioned he is really enjoying retirement. I told him I'm buying a new camera and we talked about doing another photo shoot in a year or so when George has made a lot of changes.
Quote from: postalkarl on July 21, 2017, 11:19:09 AM
Hi Bob:
I was at the F&SM in June and it just keeps getting better. I very much enjoyed my visit. I talk with George Regularly and yes he is enjoying his retirement.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for stopping by - George does sound really happy with his decision to retire. He told me about your choice for his next kit but he said "I am done". He is having to much fun working on his layout.
I got back on my Mackenzie Milling build today. I added some sand to complete the landforms.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240717214236.jpeg)
Wet it all down to prepare for the glue.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240717213619.jpeg)
I then added lots of 4:1 water:white glue until it was completely soaked.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240717214307.jpeg)
I use beach sand over the foam to fill in my land forms. The next step will be to add the dirt and rocks that will be the top layer. For now it's time to let the glue dry.
I managed to get a couple hours in at the workbench, again today. I added more of the window castings on the Mackenzie build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250717191036.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250717191036.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250717191112.jpeg)
Great dilapidated modeling John.
Very nice work. I'm not sure for the colour of chimney (too red in my opinion), but the wall colour and weathering are just outstanding.
Eric Quebec city
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 25, 2017, 07:20:56 PM
Great dilapidated modeling John.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words.
Quote from: EricQuebec on July 25, 2017, 09:05:21 PM
Very nice work. I'm not sure for the colour of chimney (too red in my opinion), but the wall colour and weathering are just outstanding.
Eric Quebec city
Eric
Thanks for the kind words - you are absolutely correct on the chimney - I have only applied the primer quote - I plan on rusting it up with chalks and powders. I'm finding I like doing the detail coloring once things are in place. You can see a couple places where the window castings need some touchup from the assembly process.
Looking good John..... 8)
If nobody likes the building, you can send it my way cause I love it.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on July 26, 2017, 02:46:19 PM
If nobody likes the building, you can send it my way cause I love it.
Jim
Hi Jim
I'm glad you love the building - how about we give you visitation rights.
Hi John:
look like you have dilapidation down quite nicely. Keep the great photos coming.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on July 27, 2017, 07:40:55 AM
Hi John:
look like you have dilapidation down quite nicely. Keep the great photos coming.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I wanted to do a "run down build" and found a place to make it work on my layout. I'm really having fun with this one.
John,
Great job on MacKenzies. I built mine about 20 years ago and it was a lot of fun. I had it on my old old layout, three layouts ago. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I still have the structure but got rid of the diorama.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 27, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
John,
Great job on MacKenzies. I built mine about 20 years ago and it was a lot of fun. I had it on my old old layout, three layouts ago. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
I still have the structure but got rid of the diorama.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for the kind words. It is amazing that you are on your third layout. I have enough expansion space with this one that I don't think I will ever start over again.
John...
You have done some amazing stuff on scenicing. I'll evaluate your railroad any time.
It's good to see you on a structure adventure.
Amazing stuff
thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on July 28, 2017, 03:34:10 AM
John...
You have done some amazing stuff on scenicing. I'll evaluate your railroad any time.
It's good to see you on a structure adventure.
Amazing stuff
thanx
Bob
Hi Bob
Thanks for the kind words. I have a number of structure adventures to go! I'd love to have you stop by and evaluate my railroad - let me know if you are going to be in the area.
I got back at the Mackenzie and Isaac's coal builds, today. On Mackenzie's I added floors to the interior and painted the inside of the building dark burnt umber so it looks like old wood when you see through all the cracks in the windows and doors. There will be no lighting on this build. I'm modeling this as an old before electricity mill that has been long since forgotten. Here is the picture of the interior painting - the paint was still wet when I took the picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290717181919.jpeg)
Next step on Mackenzie's is the roof. On Isaac's Coal I received the shingles I was waiting for so I finished the roof on the first building and got started on the shingles for the second. I'll take some pictures later tonight.
I made some real progress on the roofing for Isaac's coal. Here is another example of you can never have enough weights.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717140303.jpeg)
I also did a little mockup build for the roof on the Mackenzie's Mill. I like the way the Campbell shingles look when your modeling a roof that's past it's prime. Here is a few pictures of my little test sample.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717193359.jpeg)
I started by using the standard glue tape method over a piece of card stock painted with my khaki camo paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717193359.jpeg)
This is for a color test so no points were given for straight rows of shingles.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194722.jpeg)
As you can see I really got after the shingles with a probe to get that weathered - way past prime look.
Nest it was into the paint booth for some khaki paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194814.jpeg)
I sure have built up some paint on the floor of my paint booth over the years.
Here is an after the paint picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194845.jpeg)
Next I went to work with the pastel chalk to get back the weathered color.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717194939.jpeg)
Here is a picture with the building.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717195013.jpeg)
While I was at it, I decided to take a look at it in the location I plan to put it on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310717195109.jpeg)
Looks great John.
John,
Who's roofing shingles did you use on your Jacob's build ? Are they stained by you or are they pre finished ?
Tommy
Hi John:
Still looking great. I'm following along.
Karl
Tonight, I'm going to try to get this thread up-to-date. I have been getting an hour here and two there on the layout for the last couple of weeks. I'm trying to stay on top of taking pictures and posting but it summer time - to much to do outside - so let's take a shot at getting caught up with the posting. Also, for the next 5 or 6 weeks I have lots of family get togethers, the Narrow Gauge Convention, and a trip to take some prototype pictures that I will report on later. So the layout work will be waiting for a few weeks. This is the time when I do a lot of design work and computer work making signs for future builds etc.
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on August 01, 2017, 09:07:53 PM
John,
Who's roofing shingles did you use on your Jacob's build ? Are they stained by you or are they pre finished ?
Tommy
Tom
Here is a picture of the as received roofing material that I'm using on the Jacob's build. They are stained but I will be adding my own coloring and weathering with chalks for this build. Wild West Scale Models has a number of different color - I have about 8 different ones in stock.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203112.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203112.jpeg)
Quote from: postalkarl on August 03, 2017, 11:31:58 AM
Hi John:
Still looking great. I'm following along.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by to see what I'm up too. I still haven't reached Karl speed with my builds.
The big news on the S&S RR this week was I spent a bunch of EXPO dollars on a new DSLR camera so I could upgrade my picture taking to the latest technology. I bought a Canon 5D Mark IV which is a full frame 30 megapixel camera with all the fun buttons that I need to learn how to use better. Here is my first picture with the camera.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030817111645.jpeg)
On the Mackenzie build I decided to do a test where I just colored the Campbell Shingles with pan pastel chalk rather than painting them with a khaki primer first.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203142.jpeg)
The painted first trial is on the other side of this test card.
Here is a picture after the chalks. I like this better because I like the texture of the shingles better, and also, because the brown shows through once in a while like the shingle has a fresh break from the wind.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203223.jpeg)
I also started building up the rafter sections that go in the roof holes where the shingle have complete blown of the roof. I really cool affect, in my opinion.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203300.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203357.jpeg)
One more test picture with the new camera.
On my Isaac's Coal build, it was time to take the base board and the structures so far back to the layout to determine final placement.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204137.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204137.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204137.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817204010.jpeg)
After, trying a bunch of different locations. Taking test photographs. And trying again. I came up with a final location. I added the dirt that I'm going to use in this area under the structures - wet it down with water - and then glue. And placed the buildings in place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203905.jpeg)
I also glued the siding track in place. Once the glue dries it will be time to start all the detailing. George included lots of great details with this kit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203823.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203742.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203639.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040817203559.jpeg)
With all that glue - I expected to find a mess on my work bench - but I only had one spot on the far left this morning when I lifted it up. The dirt did a great job of soaking it up.
Very impressive as always...
Can't wait to see this part of your layout totally finish....
Eric Quebec city
Everything looks great especially Isaac's.
John... This is hyper-critical but...
The small distance between the two hopper structures looks a little strange to me. I would have expected them to be combined (at least the roofs) into one big structure, or more separation between them (maybe even curve the supply track to justify why there are two separate buildings.)
Just a thought...
dave
Quote from: deemery on August 05, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
John... This is hyper-critical but...
The small distance between the two hopper structures looks a little strange to me. I would have expected them to be combined (at least the roofs) into one big structure, or more separation between them (maybe even curve the supply track to justify why there are two separate buildings.)
Just a thought...
dave
Dave
So here's my story, and I'm sticking to it. I tried having one big roof making it look like one complete structure and I didn't like the way it looked. So I started separating the buildings and liked it better - looks like a companion building when the company expanded. As for the gap - I have a mountain in the way on the left side and I run out of siding for the conveyor and unloading pit on the other so the gap was fixed. If it bugs me after everything is in place I will put a pine tree in front of the gap. I like the way you think and thanks for the suggestions - please keep them coming. I just got into a position with very few options because of the size of the spot.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 05, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
Everything looks great especially Isaac's.
Curt
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 05, 2017, 07:34:12 AM
Very impressive as always...
Can't wait to see this part of your layout totally finish....
Eric Quebec city
Eric
Thanks for the kind words - I have one more structure that I need to build for this area - a signal tower. And then, I will finish the scenery - lots of detailing to do. Especially with the rocks, talus, and ground cover.
I'm working on getting a few pictures ready to post of the next layer of scenery, that Wayne Olson and I added to the S&S RR on Saturday. I took a series of pictures of the areas we are working on - that I load on to my iPad where I can mark them up to make changes for the next layer. Add a tree here, take a tree out there, talus to be added over here, and a rock wall or retaining wall, etc. So here is the pictures that I will be marking up.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210619.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210544.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210707.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210745.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210831.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817210911.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211010.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211049.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211130.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211208.jpeg)
I did a previous comment but it didn't post (probably operator error). The scenery looks great with the addition of the trees. My favorite shot is the way everything blends together behind the roundhouse.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 07, 2017, 09:47:12 AM
I did a previous comment but it didn't post (probably operator error). The scenery looks great with the addition of the trees. My favorite shot is the way everything blends together behind the roundhouse.
Curt
Thanks - the next step will be to add the ground cover and talus. I will keep switching back and forth from structure building to scenery for the next few months. I have more trees ready to plant but wanted to let these sections soak awhile before moving forward.
John ...
Great stuff.
Just amazing
Thanx
Bon
This is the location for the future town of Gallant - yes as in Brett Gallant. In the valley will be the towns of Sellios and VanGelder. Picture O'neals, the Brass foundry, the Railroad Camp, and the *** which Brett hasn't announced yet strategically placed on both sides of the mainline. As you can see, the town will also be serviced by the narrow gauge line.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211244.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211244.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211333.jpeg)
Here is the site of the future town of Gallent.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211333.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211333.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211417.jpeg)
Here's a few pictures looking to the South East at the opposite end of the Mt. Aiden Trestle. Again, you can see the future site of the town of Gallant.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211511.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211511.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211607.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211607.jpeg)
This is the view from my workbench - it sure has changed over the years.
And finally for today, we need to check on the view from "Wayne's Lower Hole". If you haven't been following the thread for a few years this is a tunnel that was strategically lined up to view the town of Gallant - Wayne's lower hole. and the town of Sellios and VanGelder along with three mountain ranges through "Wayne's Upper Hole". Here is the view from the lower - I took this with my iPhone so the other side of the tunnel is not in focus - but you can get the idea. I will follow-up with better pictures from the DSLR at a latter date.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211705.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060817211705.jpeg)
You can't tell from the picture but this tunnel is about 3 feet long. The yellow aspen trees are about 20 feet away on the other side of the room.
Beautiful rock work. That's something I never really got the hang of.
The trestle is sure something else.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 07, 2017, 02:29:14 PM
Beautiful rock work. That's something I never really got the hang of.
Thanks Curt - I think I got my 10,000 hours in on rock work.
Quote from: Janbouli on August 07, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
The trestle is sure something else.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words. The scenery really helps to make it look real.
Hi John,
The layout is looking good. I like the pictures because they show a lot of depth to the layout. And I also like the way you mix up your trees.
John,
I can't get over all your rock work. It is wonderful and looks so natural. I know some of it is real but it all blends so well.
Tom ;D
John ....
If you aren't careful you're going to be in the cover of the national magazines
Thanx
Bob
Quote from: sdrees on August 07, 2017, 09:23:37 PM
Hi John,
The layout is looking good. I like the pictures because they show a lot of depth to the layout. And I also like the way you mix up your trees.
Steve
Thanks for the kind words - it is amazing how much difference it makes when you add variety. I like the scenes better with each layer of scenery. I like to look back at the way it looked a year ago or two years ago and compare.
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 08, 2017, 07:32:24 AM
John,
I can't get over all your rock work. It is wonderful and looks so natural. I know some of it is real but it all blends so well.
Tom ;D
Tom
The next layer for the scenery will be the "real" rock talus. I have some of it strategically placed to check the color but 99 percent of what you see in these pictures is painted plaster. I found just the right colors in AZ north of Frank's place. I have 5 - 5 gal. buckets full of talus ready to be added. After the buckets spent a winter in my garage in below zero temperatures, I baked it in the oven for 4 hours at 450 degrees to kill all of the AZ critters.
Quote from: bparrish on August 08, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
John ....
If you aren't careful you're going to be in the cover of the national magazines
Thanx
Bob
Bob
Thanks for the kind words - the magazines were not a goal when I started this but it would be cool if I got the opportunity.
I'm getting back into the research for the Superior portion of the Superior & Seattle Railroad. It is amazing how much information is now available on the internet that wasn't there a few years ago when I started this process. In one evening I collected 100's of useful photographs. Now, I have to decide just what I want to model. This project is 5 to 8 years away from construction. I plan to share some of the pictures as I get closer to the building stage.
To start my update tonight, I want to thank all the thread followers, that choose not to post, but who took the time to email or call me to offer kind words on the pictures I posted over the weekend.
I added the details to the back of Issac's Coal - the back is not going to be visible on the layout so I only added the walkway that is visible from above. I will weather the shingles all at once.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090817203827.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the front of the build building, in place on the base board, before starting the detailing.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090817203755.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090817203755.jpeg)
Beautiful work John. You probably mentioned it before, but what color stain did you use on the bins?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 10, 2017, 08:55:05 AM
Beautiful work John. You probably mentioned it before, but what color stain did you use on the bins?
Curt
The bins where stained with a alcohol and Chalk stain. Three different colors of chalk are used. I think I showed the process earlier but I will repeating the process when I stain the conveyer and out buildings so I will take a picture then. Thanks for following along.
The one thing that caught my eye was a lack of stain on the top of the bottom stick of wood on the bins. (Does that make sense?) Seems to me that the tops of wood pieces would be very black, as coal dust settles on them and gets washed onto those surfaces from rain, etc.
(Just picking more nits for you :-) :-) )
dave
Quote from: deemery on August 10, 2017, 10:31:25 AM
The one thing that caught my eye was a lack of stain on the top of the bottom stick of wood on the bins. (Does that make sense?) Seems to me that the tops of wood pieces would be very black, as coal dust settles on them and gets washed onto those surfaces from rain, etc.
(Just picking more nits for you :-) :-) )
dave
Dave
Good eye! It's just how the wood took the stain with the first coat. I will be touching it up once the assembly is complete. I have a number of items that will need to be stained after they are assembled including the conveyor.
It is amazing how much color difference I did get with this build. Each piece of wood took the stain differently and some of the wood took the stain very differently in different regions.
I'm doing more and more assemble and then stain builds. Especially, when there are laser cut walls involved. I would still stain first with a board on board build to get the color variety.
Here is a progress picture of my Isaac's Coal build. The signs have been started and the lower platforms assembled.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160817203246.jpeg)
I also made some progress on the Mackenzie build today - I'm glueing together the roof rafter and cedar shingle cross boards that will show through the roof in the areas with the holes. I need 8 -10 of the assemblies and I'm gluing them over the 1 template that comes with the kit - so it's taking some time. Another good reason to have more than one build going at the same time (see picture above).
Yes - the letter's in the Isaac's Coal sign need some weathering.
I like the platforms. It's an idea to think about using concrete footers instead of wood bracing underneath. Are the platforms permanently attached next to the track? I ask because the one on the right looks way to close to the track.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 17, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
I like the platforms. It's an idea to think about using concrete footers instead of wood bracing underneath. Are the platforms permanently attached next to the track? I ask because the one on the right looks way to close to the track.
Hi Curt
The platforms are just sitting close to in place to get a feel for how they will look. I have some work to do on the ground cover I put in to get them in place for gluing down. The concrete footings are what George provided for the kit. I think they will be mostly covered from view once all the details and ground cover are in place. Thanks for following along.
Update on Isaac's Coal - I got started on the conveyor.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240817220314.jpeg)
Hi John:
Very nicely done. Keep the photos coming.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on August 25, 2017, 08:22:15 AM
Hi John:
Very nicely done. Keep the photos coming.
Karl
Thanks Karl - Progress will be slow for the next couple months but I will be posting as I get workbench time.
Hi John,
Looking very nice.
Quote from: sdrees on August 25, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Hi John,
Looking very nice.
Thanks Steve - it will be waiting for me when I get back from the Narrow Gauge Convention. I have a lot of detailing to do on the two builds I have going and I'm already planning the next build. After a few kits in a row I think it's time for another scratch build.
Spent a lovely evening last night going back and re-following your Mackenzie build. The layout is looking spectacular. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Incredible work John. I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back. Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!
Quote from: Dave K. on August 27, 2017, 08:38:11 AM
Spent a lovely evening last night going back and re-following your Mackenzie build. The layout is looking spectacular. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Dave
Thanks for the kind words. I'm real happy with the way Machenzie's is turning out. I'm taking a little break from the workbench to attend the Narrow Gauge Convention, but I will be getting back on it when I return. It is my favorite convention every year. I'm hoping to see more inspirational layouts in the Denver area this year.
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on August 27, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Incredible work John. I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back. Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!
Thanks for the kind words. Are you planning on attending the Denver Narrow Gauge Convention? I can't slow down I don't know what might catch me. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: S&S RR on August 27, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on August 27, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Incredible work John. I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back. Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!
Thanks for the kind words. Are you planning on attending the Denver Narrow Gauge Convention? I can't slow down I don't know what might catch me. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Sadly, we can't make it to the NGC this year.
Keep those pics coming!
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on August 28, 2017, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on August 27, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on August 27, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Incredible work John. I remember you working around the clock getting ready for the Narrow Gauge Convention a few years back. Looks like you haven't ever slowed down!
Thanks for the kind words. Are you planning on attending the Denver Narrow Gauge Convention? I can't slow down I don't know what might catch me. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Sadly, we can't make it to the NGC this year.
Keep those pics coming!
Sorry you can't make it this year. We will keep the pictures coming.
I returned home this afternoon from my extended Narrow Gauge Trip. We traveled 5300 miles through 12 states. Our loop into the Canadian Rockies was postponed due to the forest fires. The Park Ranger in Glacier told me that the fires are going to keep burning until they have two feet of snow on the ground. It's not often that I pray for snow, but those people need relief.
I will be getting back to the workbench as soon as the unpacking is complete. I spent 3 days doing research, photographing, and measuring the structures and foundations of the Quincy Copper Mine that is going to be a very big scratch build project for the Superior & Seattle Railroad. We returned to Michigan along US Route 2 which parallels the GN railroad. I took lots of pictures and will be sharing them here on this thread as appropriate. It's time to take a look at all my buys from the Narrow Gauge Convention.
;D
Glad you are back safe and sound (poorer of course).
Jim
Glad you're home safe John. Looking forward to the pictures!
Quote from: jimmillho on September 15, 2017, 09:06:30 PM
Glad you are back safe and sound (poorer of course).
Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by - and yes my wallet is lighter but we had a great time.
John,
Isaac's coal is coming along famously! Lookin' good. keep workin' it girl. Thanx Thom...
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on September 15, 2017, 11:29:48 PM
Glad you're home safe John. Looking forward to the pictures!
Thanks for stopping by - I will be posting some pictures of the Quincy Mine, Smelter, and Stamping mill sites that I plan to build along with my layout tour photographs from the NG. I also managed to take a few pictures of the trees, rock formations and fall grass and foliage colors through the smoke. I wanted to confirm my scenery colors on the layout. The smoke kind of hung just above the tree tops like a big cloud. Mountain pictures were not possible anywhere in the states of Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, or Montana.
Quote from: tct855 on September 16, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
John,
Isaac's coal is coming along famously! Lookin' good. keep workin' it girl. Thanx Thom...
Thanks, Thom - A few more goodies from the Narrow Gauge Convention to store away and I will be back on it.
I got back to work on the Mackenzie build the last couple of days - building the roof sections. George has loaded them with details - holes with the rafters showing etc. They are a lot of work but I really like how they are turning out. Here are a few progress pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193445.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193535.jpeg)
The test fit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193647.jpeg)
Installing the rafters.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193731.jpeg)
Starting to install the shingles.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193805.jpeg)
I also, got started making the details for the platforms on Isaac's Coal.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170917193620.jpeg)
The rafters are a really nice touch.
Tremendous work John! Am I to surmise that you will assemble those decks before staining/treating the wood? I thought that was a no-no, doesn't the glue potentially resist or at least alter the stain? (or do you just not apply it with a roller-like me ;D )
John
Quote from: Cuse on September 18, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
Tremendous work John! Am I to surmise that you will assemble those decks before staining/treating the wood? I thought that was a no-no, doesn't the glue potentially resist or at least alter the stain? (or do you just not apply it with a roller-like me ;D )
John
Hi John
My last couple of builds I have been experimenting with doing some of the assembly work before I stain the wood. It really does work quite well. I haven't had a problem with an area not taking stain now that I'm using the chalks and alcohol for stain. I think the chalks have pigments that penetrate better than the inks and dyes. For me it saves a big step because I was always touching up the job after assembly anyway. We will see how it goes for the next few builds before I will be sold on the process change.
Looks great John!
Looking good John! That's a great looking structure
Quote from: MAP on September 18, 2017, 12:18:25 PM
Looks great John!
Mark
Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on September 19, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
Looking good John! That's a great looking structure
Leo
Thank you for the kind words. I'm getting close with the structure - then it's all the details.
I had this nice surprise waiting for me when I returned from the Narrow Gauge Convention.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190917215343.jpeg)
All I can say is "WOW"
Jim
That'S a nice surprise, and a very cool kit.
I'Ve a lot of fun to build it some years ago.
Eric Québec city
If you haven't opened it.....wait till you see the castings. 8)
Quote from: jimmillho on September 19, 2017, 10:23:33 PM
All I can say is "WOW"
Jim
I can't wait to build it. Thanks for stopping by the thread.
Quote from: EricQuebec on September 20, 2017, 05:32:09 AM
That'S a nice surprise, and a very cool kit.
I'Ve a lot of fun to build it some years ago.
Eric Québec city
Eric
I had a few years, about 15 years ago where I wasn't buying any kits because of the financial situation in the Auto Industry. I was happy to see Brett reissue this one.
Quote from: GPdemayo on September 20, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
If you haven't opened it.....wait till you see the castings. 8)
Greg
Like most finescale modelers the first thing I do with a new kit is open the box of castings. I always take pictures for planning purposes. This kit will be part of a scene that will also include O'Neal's and the soon to be released Foundry.
I have a spot all picked out for them on the layout.
Brett is sure doing a great job with his kits!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917090042.jpeg)
John one hell of a pile of castings. Should be a fun build.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on September 20, 2017, 09:47:27 AM
John one hell of a pile of castings. Should be a fun build.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for stopping by the thread. Yes, I think this is going to be a real fun build.
I made more progress on the roof sections for the Mackenzie build today. Here are a few pictures. This is what the roof shingles look like before the weathering and aging process. I glued these down with carpenters glue so I could get rough with them as I weathered the roof.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917191708.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917191733.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917191851.jpeg)
I added lots of bracing on the back.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917191822.jpeg)
One more test fit to make sure the bracing is not getting in the way.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917191919.jpeg)
Progress picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200917191947.jpeg)
The large lower roof card progress picture.
Great work John.
I see a lot of fun in store for you! I love Brett's kits!
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on September 21, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
I see a lot of fun in store for you! I love Brett's kits!
Leo
Yes - I have a big project planned for Brett's kits. He does a great job with them.
I completed all the small detail builds that I could do on the bench, on the Mackenzie
build. It's time to complete the assembly and then add all the details.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240917143553.jpeg)
While the glue is drying it's time to start putting the finishing touches on Isaac's Coal.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240917143123.jpeg)
Progress Pictures on the Mackenzie build. Small building sections have been added and it's time to add the roof sections.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250917132835.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250917132758.jpeg)
It's all coming together nicely. The holes in the roof are a very nice touch for a dilapidated structure.
Great job , what a scene this will be when ready.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 25, 2017, 02:25:09 PM
It's all coming together nicely. The holes in the roof are a very nice touch for a dilapidated structure.
Thanks Curt - the roof holes where very time consuming but I think they are well worth it.
Quote from: Janbouli on September 25, 2017, 03:08:47 PM
Great job , what a scene this will be when ready.
Thanks Jan
I'm real happy with it. Now for all the details, the best part.
John,
Mackenzie Milling is looking very good.
I had a lot of fun building that one. I used it on the old, old layout. Now its on the shelf.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 25, 2017, 03:47:03 PM
John,
Mackenzie Milling is looking very good.
I had a lot of fun building that one. I used it on the old, old layout. Now its on the shelf.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom
Oh yes the old, old layout. Since my new layout is built on top of the old layout I uncover it some times when I cut into the benchwork. In fact, I found the mounting plate for the old lighthouse when I cut the hole for the Mackenzie build. I think I sold or swapped that lighthouse some where along the line. Thanks for stopping by
Tom and the trip down memory lane.
I started installing the front platforms to the Isaac's Coal Build today. Here are a couple progress photographs.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280917193818.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280917193846.jpeg)
John,
This structure is really coming along N-I-C-E-L-Y I'm lurking as you build. Thanx Thom...
Great job John.
Quote from: tct855 on September 28, 2017, 07:50:50 PM
John,
This structure is really coming along N-I-C-E-L-Y I'm lurking as you build. Thanx Thom...
Thom
Thanks for following along. I'm getting close! Lots of details and weathering to add.
A couple more progress pictures on Isaac's coal. There is lots of glue drying tonight.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280917213633.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280917213704.jpeg)
John, Great layout. Also, very nice work on a kit I built in the early 70's. Not as good.
ed
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.
Quote from: engine909 on September 28, 2017, 10:48:58 PM
John, Great layout. Also, very nice work on a kit I built in the early 70's. Not as good.
ed
Ed
Thanks for the kind words - our modeling techniques have changed a bit from the 70's and it gives some of these older kits a new look.
Quote from: Janbouli on September 29, 2017, 03:29:29 AM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words and for following along - I'm having a great time building this layout. I have a lot of years worth of work to get it even close to where I want it to go. I hope you will stick around for the ride. Even better, would be to see you take a trip over here to see it.
John,
Your Isaac's Coal build is turning out great. First time that someone has taken two FSM Jacob's Coal kits and made into a very unique looking structure. 8) 8) 8)
Tommy
Quote from: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on September 29, 2017, 03:29:29 AM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words and for following along - I'm having a great time building this layout. I have a lot of years worth of work to get it even close to where I want it to go. I hope you will stick around for the ride. Even better, would be to see you take a trip over here to see it.
Don't be surprised if in the next few years I do come and visit, a trip to the US is on my list for within the next 5 years , that is if I can get off work for a month to make the trip worthwhile . Lots of places and most of all people I want to visit.
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on September 29, 2017, 02:22:11 PM
John,
Your Isaac's Coal build is turning out great. First time that someone has taken two FSM Jacob's Coal kits and made into a very unique looking structure. 8) 8) 8)
Tommy
Tommy
Thanks for the kind words. I don't know if it's the first time - but I've never seen it done this way. It works great in the spot I have on the layout.
Quote from: Janbouli on September 29, 2017, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on September 29, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on September 29, 2017, 03:29:29 AM
Looking great John, your whole layout is a treat to watch.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words and for following along - I'm having a great time building this layout. I have a lot of years worth of work to get it even close to where I want it to go. I hope you will stick around for the ride. Even better, would be to see you take a trip over here to see it.
Don't be surprised if in the next few years I do come and visit, a trip to the US is on my list for within the next 5 years , that is if I can get off work for a month to make the trip worthwhile . Lots of places and most of all people I want to visit.
Jan
I hope you find a way to make it happen.
I made a lot of progress on my Isaac's Coal build, today. I will post some progress pictures in a few minutes. First, I would like to share a tool that I have found very useful on my last couple of builds. When I bought my table saw one of the accessaries was this bag of brass shims to use in setting up the rip fence. You put the square brass shim between the blade and the rip fence to set the board width for the cut. The set comes from 1/16 inch up to 1 inch.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917171558.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917171558.jpeg)
So it works great for that application but I'm using them to set rafters, steps, and any other application where I want to evenly space boards for gluing.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917171639.jpeg)
Here I'm using it to setup the spacing for the runs on the latter up the conveyer chute on my Isaac's coal build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917171747.jpeg)
I have used this technique with a piece of strip wood for years - but with the brass the glue comes right off as I wipe it with a paper towel or with a knife if I forget and let it dry. Just thought I would pass it along.
Now for a few progress pictures of Isaac's Coal as I add more details.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917170635.jpeg)
The coal bin assembly.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917170724.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917170807.jpeg)
Conveyer complete with cat walk, hand rail and ladder.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290917170906.jpeg)
The platforms, now with eve troughs and down spouts.
Tomorrow, I hope to get the weathering done so it all starts to blend together and look like one structure.
Beautiful job and a great tip.
I'm really enjoying this build John. You're doing a fantastic job stitching these kits together. Thanks for the spacer tip!
Quote from: PRR Modeler on September 29, 2017, 07:04:16 PM
Beautiful job and a great tip.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words. The spacer tip is just a little thing that really speeds up the process.
Quote from: MAP on September 30, 2017, 06:40:55 AM
I'm really enjoying this build John. You're doing a fantastic job stitching these kits together. Thanks for the spacer tip!
Mark
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad you are enjoying following along.
Yesterday, Wayne Olson was here helping me plant more trees on the layout. While he was here we couldn't resist taking the Mackenzie build and the Isaac's coal build off my work benches and trying them in their home locations on the layout.
Here's a couple pictures that I just took before I moved them back to the workbench for the final push to completion.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017144600.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017144600.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017144530.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017144457.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017144457.jpeg)
The roof card is just sitting on top - not in position.
As soon as these two builds are complete I want to put the finishing touches on the scenery in this area of the layout. I have a check list of things that need to be fixed and changed to make that happen. Like the out of scale rocks behind Brambell's.
Both builds are going to look fantastic on your layout.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 01, 2017, 03:40:13 PM
Both builds are going to look fantastic on your layout.
Curt
Thanks - I'm really excited about finishing this area of the layout.
I started the weathering process on Isaac's Coal, tonight. Here's what it looked like after some alcohol and chalk pigments.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017203726.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017203757.jpeg)
Here are a couple pictures of Isaac's after round two of the weathering process.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017203822.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-011017203846.jpeg)
It's starting to look like a structure that has spent it's life in coal dust.
Now, for all those detail castings.
Looks great John! Nice work.
John
Quote from: Cuse on October 02, 2017, 06:34:02 AM
Looks great John! Nice work.
John
John
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Very nice John.
A suggestion: I'd expect some rain streaking down from the letters (as coal dust collects on the letters and then gets washed away.)
But overall I think you nailed the colors!
dave
Quote from: deemery on October 02, 2017, 04:33:22 PM
A suggestion: I'd expect some rain streaking down from the letters (as coal dust collects on the letters and then gets washed away.)
But overall I think you nailed the colors!
dave
Dave
Thanks for the suggestion. I will get back up there and do some work. I'm going to have to dry brush it without the alcohol. I painted the letters with red acrylic paint and as soon as I touched them with the alcohol and chalk the red started to run. I painted them over two months ago so it wasn't a paint drying time issue. I've never had that happen before and need to do some experimenting to see what's going on.
Could try the streaking with 'wet water' instead of alcohol.
dave
Quote from: deemery on October 02, 2017, 08:37:17 PM
Could try the streaking with 'wet water' instead of alcohol.
dave
Dave
I did some experimenting today with the acrylic paint and the alcohol and it does dissolve the paint. It's not as noticeable with lighter colors but with the red I pickup up the color with my brush. Lesson learned. I did go back and dry brush the letters with the dark pigment and then streaked it with some water. It looks pretty good. Sorry, forgot to take a picture tonight. I will follow-up.
Today, I built the platform for the Mackenzie build. It's hard to build things with legs that are not square and broken boards. At least for me. I think everything needs to be square and straight. Anyway, I'm having fun building a run down building. Here are a few progress pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031017225900.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031017225924.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031017225947.jpeg)
The test fit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031017230023.jpeg)
The next step will be to get the color right. Stay tuned.
Great work as always John. Another fantastic addition. I, for one, would love to see the EXPO show up near enough to visit the "World's Heaviest Layout". ;D
John
Looks good to me. Jim
Quote from: Cuse on October 04, 2017, 06:56:45 AM
Great work as always John. Another fantastic addition. I, for one, would love to see the EXPO show up near enough to visit the "World's Heaviest Layout". ;D
John
Thanks John
I think we need an EXPO North and a EXPO South to go along with the EXPO East. The Narrow Gauge Convention has the West covered for the next few years.
Quote from: jrmueller on October 04, 2017, 07:56:15 AM
Looks good to me. Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Typical day working on the layout, today. I worked on three different projects. First, I got started on the ground cover for the Isaac's Coal build. I want to complete as much as possible, before moving it to the layout to blend it in with the scenery.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-071017173453.jpeg)
I thought I better take a picture of the backside of this structure - once it's on the layout it will not be visible.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-071017173411.jpeg)
Waiting for the glue to dry.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-071017173342.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-071017173253.jpeg)
I also painted the platform for the Mackenzie build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-071017173516.jpeg)
After the paint dried, I glued it in position. Next step will be to weather it before I add the posts and the roof.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-071017173537.jpeg)
My third project for the day, was to start my scratch build S&S RR Locomotive Works. I cut the base board out of gator board and started to layout the positions for the walls. This is going to be a big project - the structure will be detailed inside and out. This will be a companion building to my Stone Roundhouse that I built a few years ago (see volume 1 of this thread). I also started pouring the castings for the lower walls. I will have pictures tomorrow when there's something to see (the castings need to setup in the molds). The wall casting for this build are highly modified versions of the original Bob VanGelder Stone Roundhouse that I made from castings that George Sellios gave me a few years ago. They are the same castings that I used for my Stone Roundhouse. George had a couple castings left over from his Stone Roundhouse build and gave these castings to me, with Bob Vangelder's blessing. I just love this Stone Roundhouse and the model railroad history that it represents. The original Stone Roundhouse on John Allen's layout was the inspiration for this structure.
Here are a few photographs of the base board and my initial layout of the casting for the lower level of the S&S RR Locomotive Works. I have also included a picture of the box that George Sellios gave me the casting in. Yes - the box also had some left over castings from the brick Roundhouse - another project for another day. This will be the box that I keep - red or yellow - after the kit is built.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017204045.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017204045.jpeg)
This is the gator foam base that I will build the model on. I will also have a 3/4 inch exterior plywood baseboard underneath it. I built the Roundhouse out of hydrocal - this model will be made out of resin. You can see the 9 stall Stone Roundhouse in the background. On my Brambell's build I made the stone wall out of the original metal castings from George's FSM kit, along with hydrocal and resin castings side by side. I can't tell the difference after they are painted and weathered. I like the idea of having resin casting in a foreground building like this one, just incase they get bumped.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017204128.jpeg)
In this picture I have the resin castings stacked in the approximate location they will be in the finished model. I'm just doing an initial check to make sure I don't need more castings. The fitting will begin soon.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175632.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175632.jpeg)
The Locomotive Works will have two repair bays on the right and two machine shop bays on the left. The second story of this structure will house the Engineering and Administrative Offices of the Superior & Seattle Railroad.
Notice that the original castings for the walls of the Stone Roundhouse were rectangular and make a great high bay first story (in the kit that Bob VanGelder put out the walls were tapered for the pitch of the roundhouse roof.
A new mold for the boiler house chimney and locomotive pits is also curing on the workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175704.jpeg)
I squeezed the plastic cup that was holding the liquid mold material to tight and broke it. Can you tell these molds got poured in a hurry. A bit messy but we recovered and didn't waste the material.
I also made some progress on the Mackenzie build today. Added the posts and lower roof cards. You can never have too many weights within reach on your workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175803.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175828.jpeg)
And finally, tonight a few progress pictures on my Isaac's Coal build. When I detail a structure I add the weathering and details in layers. In- between each layer I take pictures and then mark them up to get ready for the next layer. It's just how I do it. The pictures I'm sharing tonight are after about 4 layers of detailing. I will do one more round of detailing while this model is on my workbench and then it will be mounted on the layout for the final round of detailing to blend it into the scene.
When I mark-up the pictures I'm looking for things that are to shinny, too light or dark in color, look out of place, or unrealistic etc.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175858.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017175935.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180008.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180035.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180102.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180126.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180154.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180220.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180249.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081017180323.jpeg)
That is going to be a great looking engine facility.
Here are a few of the things on my mark-up.
- The steps are to light.
- The crate on the far left platform is to light.
- slow down when you take pictures with your iPhone - some of these are blurry.
- need to add some LED lighting to the platforms.
- figures need some detailing.
- Need to take the next round of pictures on the layout with the lighting that it will be on display with. The lights above my workbench are very bright and the camera is adjusting to that lighting on the exterior surfaces of the structure and the platforms look very dark.
-
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 08, 2017, 09:30:23 PM
That is going to be a great looking engine facility.
Curt
Thanks - it has been on the drawing board for a long time - I'm really excited to finally be starting to build it. There is going to be a lot of interior detail and I think I have a cool way to show it off. More on that latter.
Fantastic looking scene.
May I say that I find the ground looking a bit unnatural, I would think the whole soil/ground layer would have a grey/blackened look from all the coal dust .
You have certainly had a burst of activity since the Narrow Gauge Convention. Are you sure freight cars will clear the steps?
Jeff
Incredible work John.
ALways a pleasure to follow your progress on your layout..
Eric Quebec city
Quote from: Janbouli on October 09, 2017, 03:29:06 AM
Fantastic looking scene.
May I say that I find the ground looking a bit unnatural, I would think the whole soil/ground layer would have a grey/blackened look from all the coal dust .
Hi Jan
I think your right about the ground colors - the camera really shows it. I will make some adjustments in my last round at the workbench and then fine tone it once I have it on the layout.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on October 09, 2017, 08:04:15 AM
You have certainly had a burst of activity since the Narrow Gauge Convention. Are you sure freight cars will clear the steps?
Jeff
Jeff
I have been motivated since the Narrow Gauge Convention - I hope the EXPO provides a boost that gets me through the winter. I checked the clearance with the steps when I put them in, but I agree, that the pictures make it look like I need to check again.
Quote from: EricQuebec on October 09, 2017, 08:15:44 AM
Incredible work John.
ALways a pleasure to follow your progress on your layout..
Eric Quebec city
Thanks for following along Eric.
I completed another round of weathering and detailing on my Issac's Coal build today. I addressed everything on my improvements list. Here are a few pictures of the way Isaac's looked when it left my workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017195450.jpeg)
In this picture I have addressed the issue of the dirt being to light with a bath of A&I next to the platforms and the improvement can be seen by observing the untreated dirt in the foreground - on this side of the tracks.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017195519.jpeg)
In this picture I'm testing the clearance between the coal hopper and the stairs that looked like it may be an issue in the pictures,
yesterday.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017195551.jpeg)
Our test hopper has traveled all over the world.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017221330.jpeg)
I also tested the stair clearance issue with the widest piece of rolling stock on the layout - my cleaning car.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017223004.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017223047.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017223129.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017223207.jpeg)
With this round of improvements I declared the build ready for the trip to the layout - this is the final bench photograph.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017221752.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017221752.jpeg)
Isaac's Coal in it's home location on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222012.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222057.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222131.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222210.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222248.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222327.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222504.jpeg)
Over the next few weeks I will be completing the scenery in this area and then we will revisit it with some pictures from the good camera.
I also took some progress pictures of the Mackenzie build with the roof cards in place and the first round of weathering on the roof.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222904.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222803.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222727.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-091017222650.jpeg)
Mackenzie's is on it's way to falling down and the roof posts are not supposed to be all straight but it's killing me to see them out of square in the photographs.
Mackenzie's is going to be moving to my detailing bench, tomorrow. Lot's of details to add to this one.
Incredible modeling John. It will be a focal point on your layout.
Great great modeling John and the A&I does the trick on the ground .
Nice job John, It looks very nice on your layout.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 10, 2017, 10:10:07 AM
Incredible modeling John. It will be a focal point on your layout.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words and for following along.
Quote from: Janbouli on October 10, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
Great great modeling John and the A&I does the trick on the ground .
Thanks Jan - the dirt I'm using accepts coloring very well. I've used chalks, Inks, and acrylic paints to get the color I wanted in different areas. Thanks again for following along.
Quote from: sdrees on October 10, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
Nice job John, It looks very nice on your layout.
Thanks Steve - it was really nice meeting you at the Narrow Gauge Convention. I hope we get to have that conversation about what your remember about visiting John Allen's layout.
I talked to George Sellios today and he was very happy to see the two kits built into one coaling complex (he reads most of the threads on the forum - he just chooses not to post). He told me that one of the complaints he got when he offered the Jacob's Coal kit was that it was too big (???). He really got a kick out of seeing two built together.
Great modeling! As far as the porch posts being out of square,, the trouble with HO scale is that things like this look "weird". kind of like if our telephone poles are crooked...... i found that if I broke one of my posts in the middle, it looked more believable than if it was just crooked,,,,, again, I think it's the scale that affects the way things like this look, I love your modeling and weathering,,,, just fantastic builds all around!
Quote from: rpdylan on October 10, 2017, 09:30:42 PM
Great modeling! As far as the porch posts being out of square,, the trouble with HO scale is that things like this look "weird". kind of like if our telephone poles are crooked...... i found that if I broke one of my posts in the middle, it looked more believable than if it was just crooked,,,,, again, I think it's the scale that affects the way things like this look, I love your modeling and weathering,,,, just fantastic builds all around!
Bob
Thanks for the kind words - I'm going to try your idea of breaking one. I have guide wires to add yet and that corner post in the back is a perfect candidate. Thanks for following along.
Fantastic John!
Quote from: LongHornCaddy on October 11, 2017, 01:05:56 AM
Fantastic John!
Thank you my friend - now it's on to the next one.
John,
Very few layouts display the depth that yours does, nice scenes, it is very impressive. I think you have an equal amount of wood above the layout as you do below the layout. Very impressive!
Bob
Quote from: RWL on October 12, 2017, 02:33:42 AM
John,
Very few layouts display the depth that yours does, nice scenes, it is very impressive. I think you have an equal amount of wood above the layout as you do below the layout. Very impressive!
Bob
Bob
Thanks for the kind words. I have used 34 - 100 pound bags of Number 1 molding plaster on the mountains for this layout. So there is a fare amount of wood underneath holding them up. I'm happy to hear you say the layout has depth - that is what I'm shooting for. It's better in person than when you try to capture it with a photograph. I think it will get better as the structures are added.
John, 3400 pounds of plaster, that is more than it takes to plaster all my house walls. You will need na air-hammer to take it down in the future. LOL
Quote from: JusticeCity on October 12, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
John, 3400 pounds of plaster, that is more than it takes to plaster all my house walls. You will need na air-hammer to take it down in the future. LOL
Marty
I don't plan on that being my job! ;)
Great work John. Each scene draws you in with all of the details you've added.
Quote from: MAP on October 13, 2017, 05:48:58 AM
Great work John. Each scene draws you in with all of the details you've added.
Mark
Thanks for the kind words. It is all about the details.
So, on my last update I mentioned that I was going to move my Mackenzie build to my detailing bench now that Isaac's Coal has been moved to the layout. I took this opportunity to clean up my workbenches. It's all areas that you have seen before during by build pictures but I thought since I had them clean I would post pictures of my work areas before a build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134450.jpeg)
This is my detailing work station. Three work surfaces, two with glass plates to work on. I added brown paper to cover up all the paint stains this time around. After a while the all the paint and stains on the workbench surface were starting to look like camouflage when I was trying to find all those detail parts. Starting with a constant color really helps.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134530.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134620.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134555.jpeg)
In my shop area I also have three working surfaces / workbenches for the bigger layout jobs.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134647.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134716.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017134737.jpeg)
Okay, so now that you have seen the workbenches clean (it will be awhile before this will happen again) it's time to go mess them up again. Mackenzie's to the detailing area and the S&S RR Locomotive Works in the shop area. I wonder how long it will take me to find all the tools I put away while I was cleaning?
Quote from: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
Okay, so now that you have seen the workbenches clean (it will be awhile before this will happen again) it's time to go mess them up again. Mackenzie's to the detailing area and the S&S RR Locomotive Works in the shop area. I wonder how long it will take me to find all the tools I put away while I was cleaning?
I don't be able to clean up my workbench like you. The mess on it, is only varying between lightly mess to apocaliptically out of control :)
Now ,that is clean , I mean mine only looked like that once,when I built it ;D
Helpful and timely! Since I can see the end of the basement construction, I need to start planning the work area (as well as the layout track plan.)
dave
Quote from: EricQuebec on October 14, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on October 14, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
Okay, so now that you have seen the workbenches clean (it will be awhile before this will happen again) it's time to go mess them up again. Mackenzie's to the detailing area and the S&S RR Locomotive Works in the shop area. I wonder how long it will take me to find all the tools I put away while I was cleaning?
I don't be able to clean up my workbench like you. The mess on it, is only varying between lightly mess to apocaliptically out of control :)
Eric
I would have described mine as apocalyptically out of control before I took the two hours this morning to clean all 6 work surfaces. I had to remove everything from the benches to put down the brown paper. It is the best thing I have done for my modeling in a long time. My work surfaces were covered with paint dots from years of projects and were working like camouflage to hide the little detail parts. It was the perfect time to do it between major projects. I can tell you from working on the benches the rest of the day it will be they way I start any project from now on. A roll of the brown construction paper is very cheap and I have been using the same roll for a couple years.
Quote from: Janbouli on October 14, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
Now ,that is clean , I mean mine only looked like that once,when I built it ;D
Jan
You have a point, the last time mine looked like this was when I built them. I definitely think it was 2 hours well spent.
Quote from: deemery on October 14, 2017, 04:31:28 PM
Helpful and timely! Since I can see the end of the basement construction, I need to start planning the work area (as well as the layout track plan.)
dave
Dave
My work space has evolved over time but I got a lot of good ideas from taking pictures of other modelers work space on layout tours. The idea of having three work spaces around me in the detailing area came from a visit to Howard Zane's layout a few years back. You can keep gluing details on one surface while the assemblies on the other surfaces dry. I have taken this to the next level by having two setups so I can do the major construction on one project while I do the fine detail work on another. It's just the way I roll, as they say.
After dinner, I will take some pictures of the workbenches after one day of work.
As promised, here are a few photographs of the work in progress at the end of the day today. The workbenches didn't stay clean long.
The baseboard for the S&S RR Locomotive Works has been moved to the workbench and I have started to fit the castings for the lower level. I keep the shop vacuum going while I grind, sand, and file on these castings so you don't see much dust.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212544.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212544.jpeg)
The casting work has spilled over on to two workbenches. I'm taking inventory of my window castings to see if I will need to buy anything more for this build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212634.jpeg)
This is going to be a huge project with all the details I plan to add. These workbenches will be filled with this project for months.
The Mackenzie build has been moved to my detailing area and the rafters and rafter ends that I couldn't put in place until the roof cards were glued in place have started to go on.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017212438.jpeg)
I also started another project today on the other working surface in this area. My next build when Mackenzie's is completed will be the FSM Fox Run kit. It will be modified to fit the space I have for it on the layout so I started to do the layout work required to design the modification required. Here is the standard box opening pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194028.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194108.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194146.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194146.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194232.jpeg)
My primary objective for today was to get the base board layout cards out of the box along with the instructions. I want to make sure that this kit will work in the location I have picked for it before digging in deeper into the box.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194459.jpeg)
At dinner time I had managed to get the cards and instructions over to the layout location. Actually measurements and layout work where left for another day.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141017194535.jpeg)
The big labels on the plywood base pieces are to keep me from cutting them up for another use. They all have location labels that allow me to fit them back in the benchwork. At times I have a stack of 10 - 20 of them under the layout when the hatches are open to work on the layout.
As always I will follow....
Eric QUebec city
Quote from: EricQuebec on October 15, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
As always I will follow....
Eric QUebec city
Eric
Thanks for following along.
I received a package in the mail, yesterday, from Doug Foscale. The structures in this kit are going to fit into a future hillside scene on the S&S RR.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222429.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222429.jpeg)
A number of hours were spent at the workbench today, trimming, fitting, and cutting the wall castings for the S&S RR Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222507.jpeg)
I also made some progress with the Mackenzie's build. I added what seems like a hundred rafter ends, some guide wires, and trim pieces. Tomorrow, I plan on adding the water wheel and doing some more weathering on the roof and new pieces.
Bob - you will notice that the crooked posts on the front of the building are now broke and one is down, as per your advice. I think this is the way I will go. I could not stand those crooked out of square posts in the progress pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222402.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-191017222300.jpeg)
Hi John,
Your derelict building is looking good, I mean old and fallen in disrepair the way it should be. Nice job.
Great looking work John.
Quote from: sdrees on October 20, 2017, 01:14:07 PM
Hi John,
Your derelict building is looking good, I mean old and fallen in disrepair the way it should be. Nice job.
Steve
Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by the thread. My biggest challenge with this build is building it like it is falling down - out of square - tilting etc.
The walls starting going up on my S&S RR Locomotive Works today. I think I will be using every clamp and angle plate I own on this one.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017125140.jpeg)
You can't be too rich, too strong, or have too many clamps. (said my late brother the carpenter)
dave
Quote from: deemery on October 21, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
You can't be too rich, too strong, or have too many clamps. (said my late brother the carpenter)
dave
Dave
Sounds like a smart man.
Here is a series of photographs that show the progress on the three ongoing projects. First here is were I left off at the end of the day with the S&S RR Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215124.jpeg)
The Mackenzie Build is coming along, today I added the wood paddles to the water wheel and started building the Jordon Truck that George included in the kit. It will be a detail in what is left of the mill pond.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215227.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215158.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215158.jpeg)
My third project is the Fox Run FSM kit. The first step is to figure out the modifications I want to make to fit it in the spot I have picked out on the layout. I have spent a couple hours a day playing with different scenarios for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard. So here are a few pictures that describe where I'm at. This corner scene will have three major structure groups. The Monster Model works Signal Tower with a detailed interior will be on the far left of this picture. Sewall's Foundry another FSM kit will be at an angle in the corner. And Fox Run Mill will occupy the base board on the right of the picture. I have to layout each of the builds that are going to be in this area on their base boards before I can start the Fox Run build - to make sure it will flow from one build to the other. The siding track need to fit together and the roads need to line up end to end.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017214947.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017214947.jpeg)
I should note that all of the roof detail needs to be added to the background buildings in this scene. I decided to wait until the foreground structures were added before placing the water towers and other roof details.
Here is a photograph looking down the industrial area towards the Stone Roundhouse. I currently have 5 or more FSM kits planned for this area. In the next few days I will be laying out each of the baseboards and playing with different scenarios before I finalize the builds for this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg)
After the F&SM threads this has been my favorite follow-along. Isaac's looks fantastic in its spot!!!
John,
I must say your backdrops look great! The scenes really do look much bigger than they are. I like the curve of each corner. Thanx Thom...
Awesome John. I have been looking closely at the control tower. It will probably be a gift from Santa so I look forward to seeing you build it. I do have a question about the engine house you are working on. I see that you are putting it together before painting. I have never worked with that material, so is it easier to paint everything together rather in parts? Belive me I'm not critiquing but rather I'm curious.
Quote from: Dave K. on October 22, 2017, 08:21:09 AM
After the F&SM threads this has been my favorite follow-along. Isaac's looks fantastic in its spot!!!
Dave
Thank you for the kind words and for following the thread. I'm looking forward to meeting you at the EXPO.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Here is a photograph looking down the industrial area towards the Stone Roundhouse. I currently have 5 or more FSM kits planned for this area. In the next few days I will be laying out each of the baseboards and playing with different scenarios before I finalize the builds for this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg)
Good Morning John,
Been lurking but not posting until recently. A few areas on the layout and a couple of structures have kept me quite busy. Love, love, love the scene above. Can't wait to see how you populate it. This view show the background areas that you and Wayne have done a beautiful job on. Keep up the beautiful work.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: tct855 on October 22, 2017, 08:50:53 AM
John,
I must say your backdrops look great! The scenes really do look much bigger than they are. I like the curve of each corner. Thanx Thom...
Thom
Thanks for the kind words. The framing of the corners was a lot of work but I'm sure glad we did it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 22, 2017, 10:45:51 AM
Awesome John. I have been looking closely at the control tower. It will probably be a gift from Santa so I look forward to seeing you build it. I do have a question about the engine house you are working on. I see that you are putting it together before painting. I have never worked with that material, so is it easier to paint everything together rather in parts? Belive me I'm not critiquing but rather I'm curious.
Hi Curt
I will be spray painting the Locomotive Works with a gray primer and then using pan pastel chalks to color the stones. For me, it's much easier to do this with the walls in place on the base board rather than painting them before assembly. It will not be long and the base will be going into the paint booth. The color will match my Stone Roundhouse which you can see in the background of some of the pictures I have posted the last few days.
Quote from: Erieman on October 22, 2017, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on October 21, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Here is a photograph looking down the industrial area towards the Stone Roundhouse. I currently have 5 or more FSM kits planned for this area. In the next few days I will be laying out each of the baseboards and playing with different scenarios before I finalize the builds for this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211017215037.jpeg)
Good Morning John,
Been lurking but not posting until recently. A few areas on the layout and a couple of structures have kept me quite busy. Love, love, love the scene above. Can't wait to see how you populate it. This view show the background areas that you and Wayne have done a beautiful job on. Keep up the beautiful work.
Frank / Erieman
Frank
Thanks for stopping by the the thread and the kind words. The last few days I have been making some decisions on which structures will populate this area. The plywood will be an industrial area with businesses that need to be close to the RR line. I will post a few pictures of the plan.
This morning I updated the index to volume 1 of this thread. I was in there reviewing how I painted the Stone Roundhouse so I could make the new Locomotive works match. These threads are a very useful modeling tool or is it memory tool. :o ::)
As promised, here are the pictures I took after I completed laying out the base boards for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard. I set the yellow boxes in position to get a feel for what it will look like when the builds are in place, at least by looking at the picture on the box.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214753.jpeg)
Picture with the Fox Run box in place. There are a lot of hours of model railroading pleasure between now and getting this area populated with structures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017215425.jpeg)
"Sellios Row" is going to be spectacular! 👍🏻
That's going to be awesome!
I like your full-time job better than mine ;)
John
You are going to be busy, but it looks like a lot of fun. You definitely have enough things to do over the winter.
Quote from: Dave K. on October 24, 2017, 06:10:54 AM
"Sellios Row" is going to be spectacular! 👍🏻
Dave
Thanks - George's kits are going to be well represented on my layout. I have been collecting them for 25 plus years.
Quote from: Cuse on October 24, 2017, 07:11:04 AM
That's going to be awesome!
I like your full-time job better than mine ;)
John
John
This is the best job I ever had. Long hours but I enjoy every minute of it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 24, 2017, 09:47:31 AM
You are going to be busy, but it looks like a lot of fun. You definitely have enough things to do over the winter.
Hi Curt
Yes - I like to keep busy. Thanks for following along.
Wow! That's quite the ambitious project you have ahead of your self.
There's a small fortune there in yellow boxes. The 'million dollar spur' :-)
dave
Quote from: Raymo on October 24, 2017, 10:40:09 AM
Wow! That's quite the ambitious project you have ahead of your self.
Yes, it's a big project. And I have 5 more areas this size and bigger waiting to get worked on. I'm going to try to work up to PostalKarl speed. That's faster than light speed. The key is to maintain the quality. Karl does.
Quote from: deemery on October 24, 2017, 10:40:25 AM
There's a small fortune there in yellow boxes. The 'million dollar spur' :-)
dave
Dave
You would be correct if I paid eBay prices. I think I should call it the before eBay spur. If you add up what I paid George for the kits it's about what it cost me to go see his layout. It is worth every penny. I think I will add up the prices on the boxes, as I put them on the shelf in the order I plan to build them.
Today, was one of those days when I worked a little bit on about 6 different projects. It was just the way it worked out. I few more wall castings were added to the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281017225506.jpeg)
I also made some progress with the Mackenzie build. The paddles were added to the waterwheel and it received a coat of paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281017225532.jpeg)
Looking good John.
Everything is looking good
John,
The progress on the Mackenzie build is looking good. It's good to have a few projects to go back and forth on.
Good job.
Tom ;D
Quote from: MAP on October 29, 2017, 07:04:46 AM
Looking good John.
Thanks Mark
I made some more progress today - I will post some pictures in a few minutes.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 29, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
Everything is looking good
Curt
Thanks - I'm trying to get Mackenzie's finished before I get the Fox Run out of the box.
Quote from: ACL1504 on October 29, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
John,
The progress on the Mackenzie build is looking good. It's good to have a few projects to go back and forth on.
Good job.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by - I always seem to have multiple projects going. It's just the way I'm used to working.
While we are on the subject of multiple projects I started finishing the scenery behind Brambell's in preparation for permanently placing it on the layout. The rocks I used directly behind the structures were two big and made things look out of scale so I'm removing what I can and covering the two bigger stones that do not want to come loose with smaller stones. Finer talus will be added over this layer of stones.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291017204450.jpeg)
This is one of those project where you walk by and add a few more stones and then move on to something else while the glue dries.
Here is a few shots of the Mackenzie build after another round of weathering. The iPhone seems to enhance the lighter grey on the roof. It's darker and looks better to me with my eyes. I will take some pictures with the SLR before I call this complete.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291017204617.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291017204655.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291017204727.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291017204807.jpeg)
Outstanding, looks like it's going to fall apart any time soon.
Outstanding work John. It's hard not to run my finger through the "dust"!
John
Really outstanding modeling John.
Quote from: Janbouli on October 30, 2017, 05:25:51 AM
Outstanding, looks like it's going to fall apart any time soon.
Jan
Thanks for the kind words - I'm enjoying modeling an over the hill structure.
Quote from: Cuse on October 30, 2017, 06:39:12 AM
Outstanding work John. It's hard not to run my finger through the "dust"!
John
John
You need to plan a trip up this way and see it. Thanks for the kind words and for following the thread.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 30, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
Really outstanding modeling John.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words. Now for all those detail castings.
John,
Just like watching game 5 of the World Series last night...your build is another home run !!!
Great modeling sir... 8)
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on October 30, 2017, 02:59:43 PM
John,
Just like watching game 5 of the World Series last night...your build is another home run !!!
Great modeling sir... 8)
Tommy
Tommy
Thanks for the kind words my friend.
Outstanding work as usual John. Thank you.
Quote from: Donato on October 31, 2017, 12:50:59 PM
Outstanding work as usual John. Thank you.
Donato
Thanks for the kind words - I'm finishing the scenery in the area near the trestle and then I will be able to plant my last 4 builds on the layout - it has been a long time coming.
Nice job on Mckenzi's John!
I have spent the last 6 days traveling to and attending the EXPO. I had a real nice time at the EXPO and brought back some supplies and ideas to try on the layout. The best part of the EXPO is spending some time with forum members and exchanging ideas. Today, I stored away all of the goodies that I bought and spent some time evaluating all of the design ideas that where going through my head while I was doing all that driving. I will take some pictures and share what I'm up too in the next few days.
Looking forward to it John!!
John:
Looks great. You think it will still be standing by the time your done. Just beautiful weathering.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on November 09, 2017, 07:49:58 AM
John:
Looks great. You think it will still be standing by the time your done. Just beautiful weathering.
Karl
Karl
Thanks - as for how long it will be standing???? I don't build at Karl speed so I may get some natural weathering affects. ;) ;) Thanks for following along.
I'm back at the Locomotive Works build and the Mackenzie build. I should be far enough along to take some progress pictures by the end of the day. Yesterday, I made the rest of the castings I need for the Locomotive works interior. I enlisted the help of some high quality design expertise for the roof design, after making a few cardboard mock-ups that I didn't like. I'll post some pictures of what came in a box while I was at the EXPO, later in the day.
So, on the locomotive works design I tried a number of different roof types, flat with a second story, tapered with and without a second story, a barn style second story (three different heights), etc. Each time I made a cardboard mock-up and each time I came to the conclusion it wasn't what I was looking for.
I decided to take advantage of our forum connections and called Frank Baker "ERIEMAN". Frank has a background in architectural design so I asked him if I could send him some pictures and get his opinion.
He agreed to take a look and agreed with me that what I was coming up with didn't work. He said he wanted a few days to think about it and the next thing I know he is sending me a cardboard mockup that will fit right on my building. This is why I love posting on the forum.
Here is a picture of Frank's mockup on top of the locomotive works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180324.jpeg)
I have more explaining to do and more pictures - after dinner.
The idea behind this design is to keep from overwhelming the roundhouse and yard. Adding a second story with a high bay area just didn't look right. The story behind this build is that the S&S RR has just added on to the Locomotive Works to accommodate the new S4 Locomotives. In fact, the construction is still underway and the back of the building is still under construction. It will be detailed as full operational with the construction crew finishing the stonework on the back. The structure will be fully detailed inside and out. The last couple of days I made thin castings for the interior stonework. The following set of progress photographs shows how some of the future views of the details will work.
First a few pictures of the build up of Frank's roof design.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180401.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180440.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117175626.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117175923.jpeg)
The view inside the structure - left side of the picture will be the two locomotive repair bays with pits. The right side two bays will be a machine shop - belt driven.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180018.jpeg)
Frank's roof design will also provide visibility of the interior detail. The roof will also be removable to help with construction.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180102.jpeg)
View with the roundhouse in the background. The Locomotive Works will be the same colors.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180151.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117180245.jpeg)
The Locomotive Works is now back on my workbench adding the remaining castings to both the exterior and interior of the building.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117174051.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117174711.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-141117174938.jpeg)
You will notice that I'm starting to use the Titebond III glue for the resin castings. It holds just as well as the epoxy that I was using and it's easier to work with. I'm also using it as a filler to fill any gaps between the castings and to establish the initial ground level around the building. I really think the stone detail in the interior of this structure is really going to look nice.
A very big THANK YOU to Frank Baker for his design work on this build. It definitely got me over the hump on figuring out what I wanted to do for this. I originally wanted to have an office area - the headquarters of the S&S RR - in a second story of this building. With the high bays for the locomotive repair area it just didn't look right. Way to high - it would block the view of the rest of the yard. I think the unique roof line that Frank designed really works well. The office for the S&S RR will now be housed in another building. I made some extra castings. ;)
John,
That is a fantastic looking build.
I like the concept of being in the process of construction.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on November 15, 2017, 11:02:10 AM
John,
That is a fantastic looking build.
I like the concept of being in the process of construction.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for the kind words. If I'm going to put all the work into detailing the interior I want to be able to see it. This is going to be my big build for the winter. We will see how it comes out.
Very interesting build. The only resin I have worked with is some F&C car kits.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 15, 2017, 04:04:32 PM
Very interesting build. The only resin I have worked with is some F&C car kits.
Curt
I typically use hydrocal for stone work but it is very sensitive to chipping and damage and this building is going to be right near the edge of the layout. The resin is much more durable and when I paint and weather it I can't tell the difference. The only down side of resin is the cost.
I'm just catching up with this build. Holy Cow! This is great John! Your walls are looking fantastic and Frank's concept really works well with the building. Looking forward to watching your progress.
Hi John:
Very interesting project. I shall be following along. Can't wait to see how it come out.
Karl
Quote from: MAP on November 17, 2017, 07:35:23 AM
I'm just catching up with this build. Holy Cow! This is great John! Your walls are looking fantastic and Frank's concept really works well with the building. Looking forward to watching your progress.
Mark
Thanks for stopping by - I'm really having fun with this build. I have been collecting detail castings for this for years. Lots of belt driven machinery. Frank's roof design really helped - now it will become my big winter project. I usually have three builds going at the same time and rotate between them.
Quote from: postalkarl on November 17, 2017, 08:01:59 AM
Hi John:
Very interesting project. I shall be following along. Can't wait to see how it come out.
Karl
Karl
Thanks -- I have a picture in my head of what this build is going to look like but at our age that keeps changing. ;) Thanks for following along, we will see where this takes us, together.
Thank you to all the forum members that have sent me emails, txt, PM's, and called with sources for detail castings. I have orders out to 4 different suppliers for the detail castings for the Locomotive Works build. I also leaned that Rusty Rails and Rusty Stumps are two different companies, each with their own unique castings.
John just getting caught up again on this thread. Beautiful work all the around.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on November 18, 2017, 08:50:26 AM
John just getting caught up again on this thread. Beautiful work all the around.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words. We are getting into modeling season so I hope to be able to make more progress in the coming months.
I made some more progress with the interior wall castings on the S&S Locomotive works. Two more castings to go and then it will be time for the finishing work (a little filling here and cleanup there) and the paint booth.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117194600.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117194600.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117194536.jpeg)
I must have messed up the setting in my picture editing software - I don't like these little pictures.
Quote from: S&S RR on November 21, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
I must have messed up the setting in my picture editing software - I don't like these little pictures.
I Don't like too :)
Eric
I'm trying this again.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117224611.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117224653.jpeg)
That's better!
I also made some painting fixtures today to help speed up the casting and detail part painting process. I use popsicle sticks - two different sizes - to glue my detail casting to for paint. I made slits in a six inch long piece of 1x3 to hold the sticks. I also made one for painting window castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117225042.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the sticks - now to start gluing castings to them.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-211117225115.jpeg)
The settings I'm using in Apple photos is the large size for these pictures. The smaller ones that Eric and I didn't like is with the medium setting. Sure would be nice to have something in-between.
Looks great John.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
As promised, here are the pictures I took after I completed laying out the base boards for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard. I set the yellow boxes in position to get a feel for what it will look like when the builds are in place, at least by looking at the picture on the box.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg)
What a beautiful sight!
Quote from: Dave K. on November 22, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on October 23, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
As promised, here are the pictures I took after I completed laying out the base boards for the industrial area of Eagles Nest Yard. I set the yellow boxes in position to get a feel for what it will look like when the builds are in place, at least by looking at the picture on the box.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-231017214722.jpeg)
What a beautiful sight!
David
I have been waiting a long time to build what's in those yellow boxes. Thanks for stopping by - I hope to be able to show this scene with finished builds sometime soon.
I made some progress on a number of fronts today. I got the roof card made for the Locomotive Works build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204239.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204427.jpeg)
The big project for today, was cleaning and mounting detail castings - getting them ready for my next two builds. The sticks that are labeled F are for the Fox Run build and the rest are for the Locomotive Works build. I'm about half way through this task and have castings spread all over the place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204546.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204546.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204617.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-221117204704.jpeg)
Today, the castings are heading for the paint both. Film at 11 - as they use to say when we had news programs.
That's a lot of castings.
Hope you don't misplace any of them.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on November 24, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
That's a lot of castings.
Hope you don't misplace any of them.
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread - I actually have the sticks labeled so I know which project they are for. I have a few hours of painting ahead of me.
Well your sure picked up speed.
Tis is going to be a beautiful row of buildings.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on November 26, 2017, 11:40:01 PM
Well your sure picked up speed.
Tis is going to be a beautiful row of buildings.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for following along. I'm setting up to have three builds going at all times.
Wow that's a lot of castings! Good thing you have a method to your madness. I like your wooden jigs to hold castings. I noticed on your paint rack that you've colored the shelving with the associated color. Nice way to quickly find the color you're looking for!
Don't disturb, genius at work.
ed
Quote from: MAP on November 28, 2017, 12:26:44 PM
Wow that's a lot of castings! Good thing you have a method to your madness. I like your wooden jigs to hold castings. I noticed on your paint rack that you've colored the shelving with the associated color. Nice way to quickly find the color you're looking for!
Mark
Thanks for stopping by the thread - yes the first time I use a paint I color the shelf so I know what it really looks like. You don't want to use the color chart that comes with the paints. Most of the acrylic paints on that shelf are being used to paint figures and castings. Occasionally I will use them for the base coat on a structure. The fixtures I made to hold my casting sticks are working out real well in the paint booth for the primer coat.
Good Morning John,
Think you have enough project going on at the same time? WOW !!! They will keep you real busy, but they will look great when done. Like all your fixtures fore the windows, etc... Keep up the good work. Give my regards to your tree/ scenery helper, Wayne. Stay busy.
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: Erieman on November 30, 2017, 11:16:20 AM
Good Morning John,
Think you have enough project going on at the same time? WOW !!! They will keep you real busy, but they will look great when done. Like all your fixtures fore the windows, etc... Keep up the good work. Give my regards to your tree/ scenery helper, Wayne. Stay busy.
Frank / Erieman
Hi Frank
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I know another modeler that likes to have multiple project going and stay busy. ;) Wayne is planning on coming over this Saturday - we are making some changes in the track in the Eagles Nest yard. Continuous improvement as they say. I just bought a glass layout table that will be installed in my office (work stuff is getting packed away) to expand the number of things I can be working on at one time.
Hi Guys:
WOW lots of work going on here. Glad to see it.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on December 01, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Hi Guys:
WOW lots of work going on here. Glad to see it
Karl
Karl
My wife says this is play - not work - I'm okay with that - I'm retired. I sure like the sound of that.
Today, I spent most of the day getting more castings ready for the paint booth. Here is a picture of what I have so far. I have a number of window casting to get ready for the Locomotives works, and a few more machine tools, then I will be in the casting painting mode for a long time.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031217194805.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-031217194805.jpeg)
I also learned today, that the grey primer that I've been buying for years is now much darker in color. I'm not sure if this is just a particular batch that is darker or if the manufacture has switched the formula. I did a test with bringing the color back with light grey chalk and I think I can make it work. Consistent paint color seems to be a problem these days. Since, this grey primer is the base coat for the stone walls, I need to paint a casting with it and make sure that I can match the Roundhouse walls.
Hi John:
If you are using commercial spray cans from the hardware store they a few colors of gray primer. I have a dark and a lighter gray primer.
Karl
That is a lot of casting John.
John...
So what rattle can are you using.
See ya
Bob
Quote from: postalkarl on December 04, 2017, 12:20:23 PM
Hi John:
If you are using commercial spray cans from the hardware store they a few colors of gray primer. I have a dark and a lighter gray primer.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I'm currently looking for the lighter shade of gray that I used for years.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on December 04, 2017, 03:37:01 PM
That is a lot of casting John.
Yes it is. A few hours of painting ahead of me. And I still have more to prepare for painting. It's all about the details - right?
Quote from: bparrish on December 04, 2017, 05:11:51 PM
John...
So what rattle can are you using.
See ya
Bob
Bob
Here is a picture of the can.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200324.jpeg)
I managed to get most of the castings through the paint booth and primed. I made a test casting out of piece of scrap to test my new grey primer color for a match after the chalks are applied with the Stone Roundhouse.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200533.jpeg)
Here is what was drying in the paint booth at the end of the day.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200609.jpeg)
I also made a couple more painting fixtures for the round pulleys and flywheels for the overhead belt system. It is basically a piece of wire strung between two posts. I think it will work just fine.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217200641.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-041217211747.jpeg)
I just spent the last hour trying to figure out why sometimes the pictures are big and sometimes they are very small in my last few posts. I used the same process with the same settings. I don't know? It has to have something to do with the higher resolution pictures I'm taking now. Some of them are starting out at 30Meg. When I size them down I think the software is getting carried away with the down sizing - but only sometimes.
One of those computer mysteries that needs to be solved.
John...
I use photoshop. I set the horizontal size to 4-5 inches and 120 dot resolution. I get pretty consistent results.
See ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on December 04, 2017, 10:59:45 PM
John...
I use photoshop. I set the horizontal size to 4-5 inches and 120 dot resolution. I get pretty consistent results.
See ya
Bob
Thanks Bob
I'm not sure what is triggering my picture sizing problem. I have been taking the pictures lately with my iPhone and about every 20 pictures, I get a small one popping up. Last night,I tried resizing the same picture without changes the setting on my end and it worked just fine the second time. It may be something on the forum end with what is happening to a picture when you add it to the gallery.
I will have a few more progress pictures to try, tonight.
Today, I spent most of the day preparing castings. The work bench is getting full - I have another day or two to get through this phase of the projects. I'm either priming them or using a blackening agent as the first step.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-061217200350.jpeg)
I also got started on cutting the walls for the roof sheds for the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-061217200519.jpeg)
Yes - I have a lot of window openings to cut.
Looks like great progress.
John,
Just getting caught up on this thread. Holy cow you've been a very busy little boy. It looks great with all the FSM builds going on at one time. You are more brave than me. I'd have all the walls and casting in one big pile.
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on December 07, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
Looks like great progress.
Curt
Thanks - I keep working at it.
Quote from: ACL1504 on December 07, 2017, 04:56:40 PM
John,
Just getting caught up on this thread. Holy cow you've been a very busy little boy. It looks great with all the FSM builds going on at one time. You are more brave than me. I'd have all the walls and casting in one big pile.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by the thread. Yes, I've been spending as much time as possible in the train room. I like having multiple builds going but I always seem to reach a point where I should be doing the same task on all the builds at the same time - like painting castings. So they do end up in one big pile.
Todays, projects. Laying out the walls for the roof sheds on my Locomotive Works project.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217114517.jpeg)
And, assembling and painting a wheel grinding machine.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217114543.jpeg)
I finished the second round of filling and smoothing the walls for the Locomotive Works. A couple more rounds and I think it will be ready for the primer. I also cut the holes for the locomotive inspection pits.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217214913.jpeg)
To transfer the inspection pit holes from the gator phone base to the plywood base, I moved the structure to the layout. Here are a few pictures of how it looks in location at this point.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217214534.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217214507.jpeg)
I will be glad to get all the patchwork covered up with a good coat of primer
Here is a picture of the inside. I'm playing with the idea of having a brick floor on the repair pit side of the building and a wood floor on the machine shop side.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-081217214441.jpeg)
Saturday, while Wayne Olson was over working on the layout with me (caught him working in the photographs), I did a test fit one more time on the layout before I cut the holes for the inspection pits. While I was doing that Wayne asked me when I was going to get rid of the ugly knob on the side of the building. It is a hold over from my old layout and I planned to get rid of it , so it was removed and the base board was modified to make room for the scrap yard that will be modeled beside the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-111217144408.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-111217144458.jpeg)
The locomotive works is headed back to the workbench to do the last round of fill, shape, cut and fit on the stone wall castings and will then be off to the paint booth. It will look a lot better without all the patch work.
Looks great John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on December 11, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
Looks great John.
Curt
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
John,
I love the matching pair. They are going to look great together.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on December 11, 2017, 10:02:20 PM
John,
I love the matching pair. They are going to look great together.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. I have lots of exterior and interior detail plans for this one. I will also be detailing the Roundhouse at the same time. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Looking great John. You're really making some nice progress on this build. I'm loving the background scenery.....the mountains, trees...beautiful.
Quote from: MAP on December 12, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
Looking great John. You're really making some nice progress on this build. I'm loving the background scenery.....the mountains, trees...beautiful.
Hi Mark
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. This build will be on the workbench for a long time - lots of details planned. I will be getting back to the Mackenzie Build this week, too.
Here are a couple pictures of the area around the Locomotive Works without the ugly knob.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204833.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204805.jpeg)
I finished the base board and cut the holes for the inspections pits.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204805.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204733.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204703.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204633.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204602.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204524.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204456.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204419.jpeg)
There is lots of space beside the Locomotive Works and behind the Roundhouse now for the scrap yard.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-131217204348.jpeg)
I added an extension to the facia board that is the view block between my work area and the layout. I left the bar clamps on overnight and it's safety first on the S&S RR. I put a paper towel over the bar clamp so I wouldn't run into it in the morning.
That is just amazing. The new structure is great but the glimpses of the scope of the layout are fantastic! You've got a billion pictures on here but generally focused on the latest structure, trestle, etc...I'd love to see some sweeping panoramic shots. The background scenery, trees, and rocks are incredible. The degree of craftsmanship in your structures is highest level too but wow, the grandeur of your scenery is pretty unique.
John
Excellent.
Quote from: Cuse on December 14, 2017, 06:23:46 AM
That is just amazing. The new structure is great but the glimpses of the scope of the layout are fantastic! You've got a billion pictures on here but generally focused on the latest structure, trestle, etc...I'd love to see some sweeping panoramic shots. The background scenery, trees, and rocks are incredible. The degree of craftsmanship in your structures is highest level too but wow, the grandeur of your scenery is pretty unique.
John
John
This winter I plan to complete all of the background scenery - basically the backdrop for all the structures that I plan to build - at that point I will post a bunch of panoramic shots. We will do a tour of the layout in pictures with a description of the structures planed for the foreground. The layout is designed to have highly detailed structures in the foreground with deep mountain scenery in the background. Lots of fall color.
Today, I took a few minutes with the chalks on my test sample to make sure I could get a match of the roundhouse color with my new grey primer.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217165945.jpeg)
I think I can get there from here so the Locomotive Works is headed for the paint booth.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217170026.jpeg)
I bought two different primers from two manufactures and could not tell a difference in color.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217170026.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217170052.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217170125.jpeg)
I took this picture while the paint was still wet and I was waiting for the paint booth fan to catchup with the spray fumes.
Looking good John.
Late in the day the Locomotive Works made it's way back to the workbench for another round of fill and file. Here are a couple of pictures of this process. Tomorrow, it will head to the paint booth for the final touchup paint. This new primer is not what I consider ultra flat like it says on the can but the chalks will solve that problem.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217192050.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217192144.jpeg)
The seam on the front castings will be covered by the wood sign that will be across the front of the building.
I had some gaps between the two wall castings in some areas that showed in the window openings. The problem was solved with some filler putty.
Quote from: S&S RR on December 15, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
Late in the day the Locomotive Works made it's way back to the workbench for another round of fill and file. Here are a couple of pictures of this process. Tomorrow, it will head to the paint booth for the final touchup paint. This new primer is not what I consider ultra flat like it says on the can but the chalks will solve that problem.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217192050.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217192050.jpeg)
Looking very nice John and will compliment the roundhouse extremely well. With regards to the "sheen" from your primer coat, you could also top that with dull-coat or ultra-flat which would also add some "tooth" for your application of chalks, etc... Just a suggestion and look forward to seeing you bring this to life.
All the best and I'll be following along,
--Paul
this project is coming along nicely-- can't wait to see how it looks when the bricks are painted!
Quote from: PaulS on December 15, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 15, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
Late in the day the Locomotive Works made it's way back to the workbench for another round of fill and file. Here are a couple of pictures of this process. Tomorrow, it will head to the paint booth for the final touchup paint. This new primer is not what I consider ultra flat like it says on the can but the chalks will solve that problem.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217192050.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-151217192050.jpeg)
Looking very nice John and will compliment the roundhouse extremely well. With regards to the "sheen" from your primer coat, you could also top that with dull-coat or ultra-flat which would also add some "tooth" for your application of chalks, etc... Just a suggestion and look forward to seeing you bring this to life.
All the best and I'll be following along,
--Paul
Paul
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the suggestion - I will see what it looks like in the morning and will probably give it a quote of dull-coat, as you suggested.
Quote from: rpdylan on December 15, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
this project is coming along nicely-- can't wait to see how it looks when the bricks are painted!
Bob
Thanks - it's starting to take shape. After I get the walls painted and weathered I'm going to start on the interior detail. First step will be a brick floor on the locomotive repair side of the building. And the machine shop will get a traditional wood floor. I'm working on the layout for the interior now.
Today, I added the last few pieces to the wheel grinding machine that will be housed in the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217193919.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194433.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194503.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194526.jpeg)
A few touch-ups that I found in the photographs and this wheel grinding machine will be ready for the paint booth.
The paint booth was busy, today. I painted the brick red for the inspection pits.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194356.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194318.jpeg)
The walls made it into the paint booth for the touchup paint after another round of filling. They are now ready to start the chalks. The primer did dry a lot flatter after 24 hours so I'm waiting until this has a chance to dry overnight.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194318.jpeg)
I also got a lot more castings ready for the paint booth. Here is a group of wheels going in for the blackening process.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-161217194016.jpeg)
The pile of castings for my current projects is finally all mounted and primed. This batch is only part of the pile - I have already moved some of the castings to my detailing bench. The front row is the castings that have been blackened.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-171217210338.jpeg)
I started detailing some of the castings. Here is my version of a belt driven lathe that has been in service for a number of years. My time frame is 1949 which is getting toward the end of life for steam driven belt drive machine shops. I wanted to have a worn paint look. What do you think?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-171217210430.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-171217210457.jpeg)
They look like the tool room personnel have been using them for 30+ years!
Yep...got some miles on it. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Quote from: MAP on December 18, 2017, 06:07:43 AM
They look like the tool room personnel have been using them for 30+ years!
I need to get some extra details on them and fine tune the weathering. The biggest issue is they need some work going on.
Quote from: Dave K. on December 18, 2017, 06:18:29 AM
Yep...got some miles on it. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Dave, that's what I'm shooting for so I hope they look good in the build.
John...
The machines are great.
How are you going to model that distinct oil smell of a machine shop ? ? ?
We had a vocational education machine shop program at the high school that I taught mechanics in. It was in a separate building from mine. That building reeked of machine oil. The building had a 30 year head start on oil soaking the concrete floor before I arrived.
When they closed the program in 2001 they never got the smell out even after redoing the concrete floors. That smell gets into everything.
Great modeling.......... thanx
Bob
Bob, when you mentioned the "distinct" smell of a machine shop, I immediately had a flashback to the machine shops at my high school. I attended Brooklyn Technical High School (BTHS). It was one of the premier HS in the NYC school system. When I attended, it was all male students. This was in early 60's. One of the impressive things about that school were the shops. Besides the machine shops and wood shops (actually patern making shops), we had a foundry with an actual furnace, strength of material shop with all the destructive machines, a structural engineering shop wit a section of a skyscraper that the guys actually practiced welding and bolting. It had a 1 1/2 story house in the Architectural shop that got built and torn down each year. We even had in the aeronautical shop that housed an actual T6 Texan for the students to work on.
Great memories.
(https://modelersforum.com/data:image/jpeg;base64,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)
Tried to post some photos of the shops, but could not do it....maybe they were to large a file....
Quote from: bparrish on December 18, 2017, 12:53:17 PM
John...
The machines are great.
How are you going to model that distinct oil smell of a machine shop ? ? ?
We had a vocational education machine shop program at the high school that I taught mechanics in. It was in a separate building from mine. That building reeked of machine oil. The building had a 30 year head start on oil soaking the concrete floor before I arrived.
When they closed the program in 2001 they never got the smell out even after redoing the concrete floors. That smell gets into everything.
Great modeling.......... thanx
Bob
Bob
Thanks for the kind words - the only time I ever saw a good paint job on machine tools, was when they were new, so modeling them with worn paint was a must for this build. I will say that this will be the last time I use rattle can paint on castings. The new paints go on to thick for my taste - I tried every trick I knew to keep the paint thickness down. Has anyone else experienced this. Air brush or hand painting will be my MO for castings. The only thing that will get rattle can paint after this build will be plaster, resin, and wood wall castings.
I will be modeling the chips around the lathes but I don't think I will try to reproduce the smell. I spent my working career checking on my die builds in machine shops so I know exactly the smell you are talking about.
Quote from: Donato on December 18, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
Tried to post some photos of the shops, but could not do it....maybe they were to large a file....
Donato
Try giving in another try and see if you get an error message. The post looks like they may have been a file format that the forum software didn't like. It wants *.jpg if you have a way of converting them. Thanks for trying and following along. I had a very similar shop in the public high school that I attended in Comstock Park, Michigan. That experience really made me a much better Engineer.
Two thoughts on spraypaint: (1) it depends a lot on the paint. The old Floquil primer was great stuff. Some of the new Liquitex line of acrylic spraypaint seems to be worth a try. (2) I think it was in one of Dave Frary's Tips books that I read, "Soak the spraycan in warm/hot water for a couple of minutes, after it's well shaken, to help the spray pattern."
dave
Quote from: deemery on December 18, 2017, 03:28:44 PM
Two thoughts on spraypaint: (1) it depends a lot on the paint. The old Floquil primer was great stuff. Some of the new Liquitex line of acrylic spraypaint seems to be worth a try. (2) I think it was in one of Dave Frary's Tips books that I read, "Soak the spraycan in warm/hot water for a couple of minutes, after it's well shaken, to help the spray pattern."
dave
Dave
Thanks for the tips on paint. I agree that the Floquil primer was great - went on nice and thin. The primers that I was able to buy at my local hardware ( I posted pictures of the cans on this thread) go on way to thick for detail castings. I haven't had as big of a problem with the Camo paints that I use for Khaki and black. I'm going to try the hot water tip and see if it helps at all.
Today, I went back to working on the walls of the Locomotive Works. The primer had a couple days to dry so it was time to start adding the chalks.
Since this is the companion building for the Stone Roundhouse. I thought I would post a couple pictures of the Roundhouse wall that will be closest to the locomotive works for a color comparison.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204421.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204451.jpeg)
The highlight color and mortar color that I will be using is the PanPastel color Raw Umber Tint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204345.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204345.jpeg)
I started with a traditional application of the pastel chalk using a sponge applicator.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205048.jpeg)
In this picture the left wall section has just the sponge application and the right side has the start of the second application of chalk. In the second application I fill the deep mortar joints, air holes, and deep stone formations that didn't get a good coat of chalk with a small paint brush and an alcohol and chalk mix.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205048.jpeg)
Here is a picture of my chalk palette. You can see where I left off with painting detail castings, yesterday.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205219.jpeg)
Here is a process picture in the ReadingBob tradition of the process. I just add fresh alcohol to the palette every time I need to go to the small paint brush.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204951.jpeg)
This process is repeated all the way around the structure. In this case both inside and out.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205016.jpeg)
The final step in the process is to erase some of the color off the face of the stones to get some of the gray back.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204757.jpeg)
Here are a few pictures of what it looks like as you do the erasing process. You can see the eraser I used in the picture. It is a real soft gummy eraser.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204724.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204722.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204653.jpeg)
Here is what it looked like after the first four section where complete.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217204620.jpeg)
Compare this to the Stone Roundhouse pictures.
The wall can be made darker by doing more erasing. Basically letting more of the dark gray to show through.
Same process on the back wall.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205646.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205615.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205509.jpeg)
I also moved the structure to it's permanent location on the layout to check the color and do some machine layout work. I wanted some pictures with a few of the machines set in various locations, to put in the iPad. I want to play with different interior design ideas. Right now the left side of the building, where the inspections pits are, will have a brick floor. The right side will have a wood floor. A 11 foot wall, is planned, to separate the two areas. I have a lot of details to work out so sketching in the iPad will be a good way for me to spend any down time I have over the holidays.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205415.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-181217205415.jpeg)
I should mention that Slim is working on some LED lights that will be lighting up the interior of this building. I also purchased some goose neck lights for the outside at the EXPO.
Great coloring on the walls.
Impressive. I also use pan pastels but you work gives me a lot of helpful information. Thanks. Jim
Quote from: PRR Modeler on December 19, 2017, 10:20:04 AM
Great coloring on the walls.
Curt
Thanks for the kind words. I thick we achieved a match to what I did on the Roundhouse. I will be adding a few more colors of chalk once I get it on the layout and detailed. A little smoke here, and a little rust there, and even some mold just to make it look more realistic.
Quote from: jrmueller on December 19, 2017, 10:59:47 AM
Impressive. I also use pan pastels but you work gives me a lot of helpful information. Thanks. Jim
Thank you, Jim. Pan pastels have become a great tool in the tool box. Please let me know if you have any questions - that's what this forum is all about.
A question for the forum - I'm trying to find an overhead crane for my Locomotive Works Building. Right now, it looks like I'm going to have to scratch build it. Does anyone know of a source for an overhead crane? The only one I have found is in the Whalthers catalog. It's way to big and modern. I would also be interested in a source for any of the typical components that would help with a scratch build.
Beautiful work, John.
ed
Quote from: engine909 on December 19, 2017, 01:20:50 PM
Beautiful work, John.
ed
Ed
Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
John,
You have been really busy ! Neat looking engine house. Like the way the coloring is looking too.
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on December 20, 2017, 03:36:09 AM
John,
You have been really busy ! Neat looking engine house. Like the way the coloring is looking too.
Tommy
Tommy
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. I think the two structures are going to complement each other.
The last few days I have been working on different interior design scenarios for the Locomotive Works. I'm still trying to find a overhead crane design that will for for the structure. I like the idea of having a wall separate the machine shop area from the locomotive inspection pits. I'm leaning toward a wall that will go less than half way up to the roof beams. I would also like to find a way to incorporate a small engineering office.
Really looking great John. The wall coloring is excellent.
John,
Thanks for sharing your technique for the stone on your building. I think it looks great.
Quote from: MAP on December 24, 2017, 06:26:51 AM
Really looking great John. The wall coloring is excellent.
Mark
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
Quote from: sdrees on December 24, 2017, 12:18:07 PM
John,
Thanks for sharing your technique for the stone on your building. I think it looks great.
Steve
Thanks for stopping by and you are welcome. There are a lot of ways to get the same affect.
John,
The work you are doing on this engine house is impressive, the process and technique to coloring the walls is very interesting. The entire layout is impressive! Your question of sourcing an overhead crane in my mind is moot, I don't think you have enough vertical space to satisfy a crane. If there was a second story you could have the room, but then you would throw the architecture off. I think scale wise you would need another 15 to 20 feet to satisfy a crane. If you were to span both pits and the adjoining work space, you are roughly at a 35 foot width, the chord of the girder for such a span is probably 4 feet or better. The cable reel trolley would be another 2 feet above the girder and the gondola underneath it, six feet, maybe five. The gondola really doesn't play into this calculation because it was usually affixed to the end of the girders
With the girder and trolley at six feet and an engine on the pit with a 12 to 14 foot height, you are at 18 to 20. But to move anything from one side of the work space to the other, your clear space for cabling should be about ten feet. I really think you need another story, which then would disturb the essence of the engine house. Something to think about.
My two cents.
Bob
Quote from: RWL on December 25, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
John,
The work you are doing on this engine house is impressive, the process and technique to coloring the walls is very interesting. The entire layout is impressive! Your question of sourcing an overhead crane in my mind is moot, I don't think you have enough vertical space to satisfy a crane. If there was a second story you could have the room, but then you would throw the architecture off. I think scale wise you would need another 15 to 20 feet to satisfy a crane. If you were to span both pits and the adjoining work space, you are roughly at a 35 foot width, the chord of the girder for such a span is probably 4 feet or better. The cable reel trolley would be another 2 feet above the girder and the gondola underneath it, six feet, maybe five. The gondola really doesn't play into this calculation because it was usually affixed to the end of the girders
With the girder and trolley at six feet and an engine on the pit with a 12 to 14 foot height, you are at 18 to 20. But to move anything from one side of the work space to the other, your clear space for cabling should be about ten feet. I really think you need another story, which then would disturb the essence of the engine house. Something to think about.
My two cents.
Bob
Bob
Thanks for following along with the thread, your kind words, and your input on the overhead crane. When I get back to the workbench I will share some of the key dimensions of the interior and my current thought on a crane installation.
I'm back at the workbench today ;D .
Quote from: S&S RR on December 26, 2017, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: RWL on December 25, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
John,
The work you are doing on this engine house is impressive, the process and technique to coloring the walls is very interesting. The entire layout is impressive! Your question of sourcing an overhead crane in my mind is moot, I don't think you have enough vertical space to satisfy a crane. If there was a second story you could have the room, but then you would throw the architecture off. I think scale wise you would need another 15 to 20 feet to satisfy a crane. If you were to span both pits and the adjoining work space, you are roughly at a 35 foot width, the chord of the girder for such a span is probably 4 feet or better. The cable reel trolley would be another 2 feet above the girder and the gondola underneath it, six feet, maybe five. The gondola really doesn't play into this calculation because it was usually affixed to the end of the girders
With the girder and trolley at six feet and an engine on the pit with a 12 to 14 foot height, you are at 18 to 20. But to move anything from one side of the work space to the other, your clear space for cabling should be about ten feet. I really think you need another story, which then would disturb the essence of the engine house. Something to think about.
My two cents.
Bob
Bob
Thanks for following along with the thread, your kind words, and your input on the overhead crane. When I get back to the workbench I will share some of the key dimensions of the interior and my current thought on a crane installation.
Bob
A follow-up to our discussion of the overhead crane for the Locomotive Works. From the floor to the bottom of the roof support beams is 29 and one half feet. This will just barely clear your dimensional stack-up. The building is designed as a high bay one story. I have ordered some crane detail parts from Durango that I think will work. I will post an update when I get the parts and can do a final stake-up to see if I can make them work.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281217134259.jpeg)
The brick floor that I will be using on the repair pit side of the building is 1/8 inch thick which will almost make up for the fact that the scale in the picture doesn't start at the end of the rule.
On the do-over front the floquil boxcar red paint that I started to paint the windows with does not exactly match the boxcar red acrylic paint that I will be using for brush on applications so I'm sticking with the acrylics and will painting all the boxcar red surfaces with the same paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281217133438.jpeg)
The floquil paint is on top and has more red to it.
On my detailing bench the window production has begun. That's a big pile a windows!
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281217133615.jpeg)
I did a test paint of the boiler house that will be behind the Locomotive works. This is with red oxide primer as a base coat and the same pan pastel as I'm using on the stone work for the mortar.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281217133536.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281217133536.jpeg)
This will also be used for the inside of the brick inspection pits. And possibly the brick floor around the inspection pits with appropriate weathering for a working locomotive repair facility.
Nice progress on this project...
I continue to follow with a lot of interest
Eric QUebec city
Quote from: EricQuebec on December 28, 2017, 03:48:06 PM
Nice progress on this project...
I continue to follow with a lot of interest
Eric QUebec city
Eric
Thank you for your interest - this Locomotive Works is a big project that has been in the back of my mind for a number of years.
Here's what's going on with bench number three - I finished laying out the windows and have starting cutting the template walls for the roof sheds that Frank Baker designed. The windows are a customized Tichy Window. They are designed to go up and down with a sill. I'm removing the sill and trimming the molding on the bottom.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-281217173534.jpeg)
If you scroll up to the pictures of the window painting operation you can see the windows before the customization. I will have closed and open vent windows on the build.
Update on my overhead crane: I have parts on order for three different overhead crane concepts. I may be adding a crane outside, as well. I have lots of activity planed for this build. It will be the first detailed structure as visitors enter the train room.
Lots of wall and window cutting today. I completed the template walls and got the rest of the walls marked up and ready to cut.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291217180325.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291217180253.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-291217180429.jpeg)
Wow, what a project! BTW, that little corner punch is great- I love mine!
Quote from: rpdylan on December 29, 2017, 07:19:06 PM
Wow, what a project! BTW, that little corner punch is great- I love mine!
Bob
Thanks for stopping by the thread. The corner punch is a great tool and mine is getting a workout on this project.
Today, I made progress on all three workbenches. The window production continued - approximately half way there on the windows for the Locomotive Works. While I was waiting for some glue to dry I painted some samples to figure out which yellow I want to use for the accent color. I the Roundhouse I used a color that was too bright and orange and had to tone it down with A&I and chalks. That worked fine on a roundhouse which is a very smokey environment. I decided to startup with a toned down color for the Locomotive Works. I think I will be using the second from the left color sample.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217181711.jpeg)
By the end of the day I had all the walls cut, including the window openings, for the roof structures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217181750.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217181835.jpeg)
The window openings have all been fitted - I just need to do some work on the overall dimensions of the walls themselves. A little work with a sanding block. The next step will be to design and build the interior frame for each structure.
I also finished applying the pan pastel to the rest of the main structure both inside and out. I now have to go over it with the eraser to make the darker stones pop out.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217182028.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217181910.jpeg)
I'm going to make an exception to the three builds at a time to add a fourth for the RAYMO challenge this year. It will be the Monster Modelworks Brick Yard Tower.
The build thread can be found here: http://modelersforum.com/kit-building/monster-modelworks-yard-tower-second-annual-raymo-challenge-2018/msg85268/#msg85268
Here are a couple pictures of the tower from Monster Modelworks website. I will be adding a detailed interior. Over the next couple of days I will collecting all the pieces that I have stored in various yet to be determined places.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217202034.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217201913.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217201842.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-301217201623.jpeg)
The rest of this build will be on the special challenge build thread. I will only include the final pictures of the structure on the layout here on my usual build thread.
I had never heard of Monster Modelworks before. Just checked out their web site. That's a nice kit -- beautiful brickwork. All that from just laser-etched wood?
John,
You always do really nice work. I have enjoyed following your layout progress.
Keep it up!
Seth P.
Minnesota
Great progress John!
Nice progress. The color is grey as in the previous photos? I ask because the last 2 photos the color looks silver to me (flash maybe?)
Quote from: vinceg on December 30, 2017, 10:58:33 PM
I had never heard of Monster Modelworks before. Just checked out their web site. That's a nice kit -- beautiful brickwork. All that from just laser-etched wood?
Vince
I really like the Monster Modelworks products. It is replacing hydrocal and resin for most of my new scratch building stone and brick projects. I have a huge mine project in my future with numerous stone and brick structures where I plan to use Jimmy's wall sections.
Today, I completed the work on the Stone work to the point where I wanted to take some pictures to see where I might need to do some touch-up work. Here is what it looks like at this point. I have a few areas that need some more work with the eraser.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217205556.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217205556.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217205652.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217205901.jpeg)
The joint line above the doors will be covered by a sign, just like it was on the Stone Roundhouse.
The next step, was to mount the gator foam baseboard to the 3/4 inch plywood base that will be mounted to the layout. The plywood baseboard will house the inspection pits and provide the rigidity needed to start the detailing of this structure. Do you think I used enough weights to glue it down?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217205936.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217205936.jpeg)
While the glue was drying I assembled, painted, and added glass to a dozen or so more windows. The upper roof structures require 56 windows, and the lower requires 28 windows which come in two pieces, the rectangular lower and half round uppers.
After the glue was dry on the baseboard I started the process of fitting the inspection pit pieces and getting ready to put in the floor. As I mentioned earlier, the inspection pit side of the building is going to have a brick floor. The machine shop side of the building will have a wood floor. I just couldn't put a wood floor in a building with steam locomotives. The brick in this case will be from Monster Modelworks.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217210011.jpeg)
In this picture you can see the siding that will run along the side of the building.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-311217210044.jpeg)
John...
Pretty amazing stuff
Thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on December 31, 2017, 11:55:24 PM
John...
Pretty amazing stuff
Thanx
Bob
Bob
Thanks for stopping by - the workbenches have a lot of activity this time of the year.
I've seen several roundhouses with wood (posts on end) floors, because the wood absorbs oil spills and also doesn't get destroyed if something heavy drops on it.
dave
Amazing modeling John.
Looks good John top shelf as always.
Quote from: deemery on January 01, 2018, 10:32:21 AM
I've seen several roundhouses with wood (posts on end) floors, because the wood absorbs oil spills and also doesn't get destroyed if something heavy drops on it.
dave
David
I agree that many roundhouses had wood floors and many burned down. I like the idea of having the two different types of floors and can definitely justify doing it that way from an Engineering and Safety, perspective. I spent most of my career in and out of machine shops and die shops where big stuff was getting dropped from cranes. Brick floors repair about as fast as wood when things go wrong. I saw two fires, when the welders set the oil soaked wood floor on fire. It took all hands to keep the place from burning down.
Quote from: Twopoint2 on January 01, 2018, 02:48:09 PM
Looks good John top shelf as always.
Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
So, today I got a couple hours in at the workbench. The first inspection pit is fitted and glued in - the second is fitted but still needs to be glued in. I decided to do the finish painting and weathering with the castings glued in place. With the roof still off I have easy access and will not have to do all the touchup painting from the installation process.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010118215446.jpeg)
John...
I can't stand it any longer.......... you need to get this done so I can see what it looks like.
thanx
Bob
Looking good! What a project! Are you going to make the roof removable or will it be glued down?
Quote from: bparrish on January 02, 2018, 03:38:02 AM
John...
I can't stand it any longer.......... you need to get this done so I can see what it looks like.
thanx
Bob
Bob
I know how you feel - we will see if the plan comes together.
Quote from: rpdylan on January 02, 2018, 05:04:29 AM
Looking good! What a project! Are you going to make the roof removable or will it be glued down?
Bob
Yes - the roof is going to be removable. The shelf you see on the interior side of the front wall will be part of the lock that holds it in place. The steel support beams will stay with the structure when the roof is removed. The interior detail will also be visible from the end. The story behind this is the S&S RR had to extend the locomotive works to fit the new S4's - so the addition was done while maintaining operations. The scene will be as the construction crew is putting in the stone work for the back wall.
The loading dock in the back will be full of locomotive parts and the final construction supplies. It will be a busy - highly detailed - place.
I played with small magnets to make the roof of my (CM) roundhouse removable. The design is great, the problem I've had is getting a strong enough glue to hold the magnets in place. Seems the magnetic pull is greater than the strength of my epoxy :-(
dave
Dave...
Try this for a magnet idea. I know that there a lot of really strong ones out there. Especially those that come out of computer drive stuff.
A much weaker but cool magnet are those that are used on Brio children's trains........ What a coincidence ! ! ! !
The other solution for too strong of a magnet is to not let them touch. They have enough "field" that they will get the job done.
see ya
Bob
Quote from: deemery on January 02, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
I played with small magnets to make the roof of my (CM) roundhouse removable. The design is great, the problem I've had is getting a strong enough glue to hold the magnets in place. Seems the magnetic pull is greater than the strength of my epoxy :-(
dave
Dave
Thanks for the tip. I have a series of interlocking beams that will keep it in place. I would like to have a way to keep it from raising up or warping with temperature and humidity changes. I was considering giving small pieces of velcro a try. Magnets would also work. It sounds like I need to do some experimenting.
Quote from: bparrish on January 02, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
Dave...
Try this for a magnet idea. I know that there a lot of really strong ones out there. Especially those that come out of computer drive stuff.
A much weaker but cool magnet are those that are used on Brio children's trains........ What a coincidence ! ! ! !
The other solution for too strong of a magnet is to not let them touch. They have enough "field" that they will get the job done.
see ya
Bob
Bob
You make some good points if I go for the magnet method. Stay tuned.
I tried to provide some space when I "set" the magnets. First I glued the magnets to the roof. Then I added a couple pieces of paper (the "spacers") and attached the wall magnets to the roof. I put the epoxy on the walls, then positioned the roof. The -theory- was the wall magnets would be set at the appropriate spacing in that puddle of epoxy. The -practice- has been those wall magnets have come unglued. I think part of the problem is not enough gluing space on the wall to hold the wall magnets.
When I dig this project out again (once I'm ready to tackle the engine terminal in the new layout), I'll have to take a look at the wall magnet attachment points.
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 02, 2018, 04:55:09 PM
I tried to provide some space when I "set" the magnets. First I glued the magnets to the roof. Then I added a couple pieces of paper (the "spacers") and attached the wall magnets to the roof. I put the epoxy on the walls, then positioned the roof. The -theory- was the wall magnets would be set at the appropriate spacing in that puddle of epoxy. The -practice- has been those wall magnets have come unglued. I think part of the problem is not enough gluing space on the wall to hold the wall magnets.
When I dig this project out again (once I'm ready to tackle the engine terminal in the new layout), I'll have to take a look at the wall magnet attachment points.
dave
Dave
Thanks for the clarification - I need to take a look at my options on this one.
John,
Do you need to place a magnet in relation to a magnet to secure the two pieces, instead would not a magnet to metal work? You could attach thin metal shim stock to the top of a roof rafter or the top of a pilaster and a the magnet to the underside of the roof structure to secure it. The air gap between the two surfaces would determine the strength of the field and thus the magnetic attraction. Just a thought!
Bob
Certainly a small piece of steel would work on the 'other side' of a magnet. The magnets are taller, which makes it a bit easier to glue them, I think.
dave
Quote from: RWL on January 03, 2018, 09:01:18 AM
John,
Do you need to place a magnet in relation to a magnet to secure the two pieces, instead would not a magnet to metal work? You could attach thin metal shim stock to the top of a roof rafter or the top of a pilaster and a the magnet to the underside of the roof structure to secure it. The air gap between the two surfaces would determine the strength of the field and thus the magnetic attraction. Just a thought!
Bob
Bob
Great minds think alike. My plan is to use strips of thin sheet steel on top of the beams with a matching strip on the roof card. I have a magnetizer on my workbench that will turn any piece of iron or steel into a magnet. I will give this a try and report back. I think I could make velcro work to but this way sounds like a better solution.
Quote from: deemery on January 03, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
Certainly a small piece of steel would work on the 'other side' of a magnet. The magnets are taller, which makes it a bit easier to glue them, I think.
dave
Dave
I think we can solve the surface area issue with gluing the magnets with thin sheet steel, per post above. As always, I will post pictures when I work out the bugs in this idea. Thanks again for the tip/idea and the discussion.
The windows for the Locomotive Works are taking over my workbenches.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040118202830.jpeg)
Today, it was more window production and I started playing with the Monster brick material that I plan using for the floor in the Locomotive Works. I have some experimenting to do before it will be ready for pictures.
I started gluing the roof top sheds together today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118181110.jpeg)
The inside bracing for the sheds will not only hold the sheds together, but will serve as bracing to give the entire roof some rigidity.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118171147.jpeg)
The other project for today was the brick flooring for the inspection side of the Locomotive Works.
I decided to color the entire sheet of brick material and then cut it to the sizes I need for the floor area.
Here is the sheet I started with.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118223801.jpeg)
The color I'm looking for is a very weathered version of the same brick that is used for the inspection pits. So I started with painting the brick sheet with the red primer I used for the inspection pits.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118224218.jpeg)
You can see the different shades from the laser burn showing through the paint.
On the inspection pits I used the pan pastel application with the eraser to remove most of the light grey mortar color. I like the way the mortar shows off the individual bricks. I can get all the weather I need by using chalks and A&I. I decided to try the same technique on the wood brick material.
I tried just a corner to test it out. I've done this many times with resign and plaster castings because it's very easy to recover with the eraser if I don't like the results.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118224820.jpeg)
Here is what it looked like after some very heavy erasing. This usually works very easily with resign and plaster.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118225251.jpeg)
The bottom line is that the eraser doesn't perform the same magic on the wood walls. The combination of the wood texture and the primer paint that I'm using holds the pan pastel chalk so well that the eraser is almost removing the paint to lift the chalk - which spoils the look of the chalk we want to leave behind in the mortar cracks.
I finally decided after numerous trials with the eraser to abort the mission and remove the pan pastels with an alcohol bath and a brush. This got be back to having a primer colored wall with a darker corner from all the work.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118225930.jpeg)
I decided to go back to the paint and sponge technique that I have used on both plaster and resin castings for years. It's getting late so I will describe this process tomorrow.
Every roundhouse floor I've seen (in person or photos) is a pretty uniform greasy dark grey, regardless of what the floor is made of. That makes sense with all the oil in the air from the steam, coal or even oil ash/dust, spills, and general crudliness.
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 08, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Every roundhouse floor I've seen (in person or photos) is a pretty uniform greasy dark grey, regardless of what the floor is made of. That makes sense with all the oil in the air from the steam, coal or even oil ash/dust, spills, and general crudliness.
dave
Dave
I agree, as soon as I get the floors installed I will be getting out the chalks and creating the correct patina for a working shop. I'm using the brick floors to practice using the laser cut wood brick walls.
So, as promised, here is the process I used to color the bricks. After the prime coat of oxide red primer I applied a terra cotta over paint with the sponge technique. This adds a lighter color to the brick.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118140924.jpeg)
I then used some of the pan pastel grey mortar color powder.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118141030.jpeg)
I wet this down with lots of Alcohol to make a wash.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118141129.jpeg)
I then painted it on the wall section with a big brush to blend all the colors together.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118141239.jpeg)
The picture above is early on - I used lots of alcohol to darken the mixture and get more of the brick color and then blotted it dry with a paper towel.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118141954.jpeg)
This will be my starting brick color that will now be heavily weathered with grit, grime, oil etc. to get that grey color that Dave talked about above.
I have one issue to report. Since I was using a technique on wood that I usually use on plaster and resin the alcohol warped the wood because it was applied on only one side.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118141701.jpeg)
A quick application of clear alcohol to the back side of the wall. Followed by weights as it dried solve the problem.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118143215.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118141747.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the brick cut to size and glued between the inspection pits.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060118180929.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080118142114.jpeg)
There will be brick between the inspection pit and the dividing wall between the machine shop and the pit area. I need to do some more research on my crane installation before I can add the wall.
A quick update: Work on the S&S RR has come to a temporary halt while I spend time with my wife Amy (CFO of the Superior & Seattle). Amy ended up in the ER with appendicitis on Tuesday. All is well - we are hanging out in a hospital room while she recovers from surgery and receives IV antibiotics. I have been making use of my time catching up with my picture sorting from the Narrow Gauge Convention (see 2017 Narrow Gauge Layout Tours) if you would like to take a look at the pictures.
I got back into the train room very a little while, yesterday. I made 20 more windows for the Locomotive Works and started building the roof sheds.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130118212702.jpeg)
The perfect workbench picture - everything in it's place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130118212736.jpeg)
Round one of weathering the inspection pits. It's starting to look like somebody has been working on steam locomotives. I'm assembling the overhead crane so I can determine where the dividing wall will go. Then, I can complete the brick floor on the right side.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140118191437.jpeg)
That floor is looking great! So glad Amy navigated the hospital experience well.
Quote from: Dave K. on January 15, 2018, 08:11:03 AM
That floor is looking great! So glad Amy navigated the hospital experience well.
Dave
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. Amy is feeling a lot better - thanks.
Very nice and grimy John. What giddy you use to get that look?
Looks terrific, John!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 15, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
Very nice and grimy John. What giddy you use to get that look?
Thanks Curt - The wood started out with a coat of earth paint, the cement with med. grey paint, and the brick as per above posts. I then went to work on it with a few different gray pan pastels applied with a brush cut like chalks. It needs more work but we are started down the path I'm looking for. I need to get the details in before I do the final weathering steps. I also want to get the wall and the wood flooring on the other side to this level and then work on all of it at the same time. Next step, is the crane, which will setup all the dimensions.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 15, 2018, 12:54:24 PM
Looks terrific, John!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you my friend. I sure have a lot of details to add to this build. I hope it all looks good when I'm done.
I made progress on three fronts with the Locomotive Works build today. First, more windows. My next build is going to have less windows ;) .
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150118215605.jpeg)
You can also see pieces of the overhead crane going together while I'm working on the windows in the picture above.
I continued with the roof sheds. A few more braces and I will be painting these and mounting them to the roof card.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150118215531.jpeg)
And finally for tonight, the tracks were installed above the inspection pits. The second stall will have a track that extends out to the outside loading docks. A very useful feature for the big repairs and part shipments.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150118215245.jpeg)
I made some more progress on the Locomotive Works, today. More windows - I now have all 112 windows assembled and painted. Tomorrow I plan on adding the glass to the final batch (about a third of them) and this task will be complete. It took forever on this build. I need to find a faster way to prep., paint, and put glass in windows.
The roof card made it's way into the paint booth today. I painted it flat black, the camo black. It will be covered with the same black roofing material I used on the Roundhouse but I wanted a nice flat black color underneath just in case.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160118220500.jpeg)
I took this picture before the paint was dry - it turns flat black as it dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160118220550.jpeg)
I also primed the roof sheds.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160118220623.jpeg)
More progress today on the roof top sheds. First, I painted them with the flat yellow over the primer. I used a very thin coat of paint so some of the grey showed through.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170118193707.jpeg)
I know, too bright! So here is what it looks like after the A&I wash on the right side. Left side is just the paint.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170118193742.jpeg)
Finally, here is a picture with all the surfaces washed down with A&I and the corner posts painted box car red. I have the sheds sitting on the roof card in location to get a feel for how they will look.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170118193826.jpeg)
I also, finally finished all of the windows for the build. Tomorrow, I plan to start installing them in the roof sheds and maybe in the stone part of the building.
Great progress John.
Quote from: MAP on January 18, 2018, 12:10:46 PM
Great progress John.
Thanks for following along Mark.
Here is a picture of the roof sitting in place. The location of the roof is going to be held by the trim which will glove the brick around all four sides. I may add magnets to hold it down if I think it's necessary when I see how rigid it is when completed.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180118223708.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180118223708.jpeg)
The trim pieces - test fit. They are now off to be painted.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180118223630.jpeg)
Test inside shot of the internal view. Slim is working on some LED's that are going to light up the interior.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180118223439.jpeg)
Today, I spent the day installing windows and assembling and painting the overhead crane. I should have enough progress tomorrow to do another photo update of the Locomotive Works. I also cleared enough bench space to get back to work on the Mackenzie build. It's time to get that build detailed and installed on the layout.
I'm cutting and gluing roof cards for the roof sheds on the Locomotive Works, today.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118115550.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118115629.jpeg)
I also got the roof support beams fitted and ready for the paint booth. The beams will be glued in after the floor and walls are completed on the inside. The belt drive system for the machine tools will be mounted to the beams.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118120523.jpeg)
I need to glue end caps where I had to cut the beams to fit.
John,
The interior cross beams look great. Changes the entire look of the interior.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 20, 2018, 05:59:52 PM
John,
The interior cross beams look great. Changes the entire look of the interior.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks - I'm finally at the point where I will be adding details daily that change the look of this interior. There will be a lot of testing first, before I decide on the final look.
This afternoon, I did a test fit of the overhead crane that will service the inspection pits on the Locomotive works. IT FITS! The crane clears the roof beams with about 3 scale inches to spare, and the control shed clears the top of my tallest locomotive. There was a lot of measuring and remeasuring involved with this one.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193128.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193208.jpeg)
The next, fitting and layout issue was the wall that will separate the inspection pits from the machine shop. The wall is required to keep the operations separate and makes a nice break point for the two types of flooring that I'm using for the facility. I started with a full wall all the way to the top of the bottom of the roof beams to see how much a view block it would be. I then started cutting until I had something that was functional and didn't block the view of the machine shop details.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193654.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193654.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193246.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193727.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193802.jpeg)
As you can see from this sequence of pictures, I kept taking more and more of the wall away until I ended up with this. It is 12 feet high with cuts for windows for two bays, a 12 foot door in the front and a 20 foot opening in the back for material to move back and forth between the machine shop, and the locomotives. I also lowered the wall to 5 feet for the bay closest to the back to help with visibility into the machine shop.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193839.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-200118193918.jpeg)
Once the roof goes on - I will need lots of LED lighting to show off the interior. I will have traditional shop lights and I also plan to have lighting in the roof sheds.
The next step for this build is to finish the flooring. The crane is not level in the photographs because I need to add the brick flooring on the right side of the inspection pits.
My checklist:
- brick flooring
- dividing wall
- wood flooring in machine shop
- add the window castings
- start adding detail casting in the machine shop and locomotive inspection bay.
- finish the roof and add the trim
- add the roof beams
- add the belt and pulley system
- finish the weathering in the interior
- finish the weathering on the exterior
- add all the outside loading docks
- add the boiler house
- add all the details to the exterior.
John just getting caught up once again. really like what your doing with the Engine house especially the flooring.
I'll try to keep up with this and not wait so long to post on this outstanding thread.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on January 24, 2018, 10:46:16 AM
John just getting caught up once again. really like what your doing with the Engine house especially the flooring.
I'll try to keep up with this and not wait so long to post on this outstanding thread.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. I'm working hard on the Locomotive Works and should have some update pictures this evening.
I had a phone conversation with Frank Baker, yesterday. I was asking for things I might do to improve the Locomotive Works build. Frank suggested trying a contrast stone color - John try it on the back side was his words. It needs to be something that can be duplicated on the Stone Roundhouse so I did some playing. I first tried lighter colors and didn't like the way it looked. Here is close-up of the walls before I started playing.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240118222139.jpeg)
Here is a picture with the larger stones colored with a different brown color.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240118221123.jpeg)
Here is what it looks like if I soften the affect by adding the lighter mortar color over the darker colored large stones.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240118222648.jpeg)
This is just one of those things I needed to play with and let it sit overnight. I'll decide in the morning which way I want to go. What do you think?
Imho John it doesn't look right, it looks like someone brushed dirt onto the stones instead of the stones being a slightly different color.
John,
I think you need to add more color variation to the stone. I've included links to stone painting tips on Monster Modelworks and New England Brownstone. Jimmy Simmons even distinguishes between western stone and eastern stone.
I've attached a photo of a small plaster boiler house I painted. I used thinned acrylics to pick out individual stones, using a few very light coats until I got the subtle differences I thought looked realistic. Hope this helps.
http://www.monstermodelworks.com/_download_files/BlockDryStackedStone.pdf
https://www.nebrownstone.com/blog/painting-new-england-brownstone-castings/
Quote from: Janbouli on January 25, 2018, 06:07:50 AM
Imho John it doesn't look right, it looks like someone brushed dirt onto the stones instead of the stones being a slightly different color.
Jan
Thanks for giving me your opinion - and yes I agree. I was leaning towards sticking with the gray stone but thought I would see if I anyone would post their thoughts. This morning I went back and looked at my pictures from George Sellios' and Bob VanGelder's layouts and they have the gray stone walls like my original. I've always liked they way theirs looked and tried to copy it for mine. So, a stone wall with a variety of colors will wait for another build.
I have drawn one conclusion from this little experiment. You need to get the color variation with the sponge and acrylic paint technique and use the chalks as a blend. To use your words - the chalks as a base color look like you rubbed dirt on the stone. Thanks again for responding and following along Jan.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on January 25, 2018, 07:40:42 AM
John,
I think you need to add more color variation to the stone. I've included links to stone painting tips on Monster Modelworks and New England Brownstone. Jimmy Simmons even distinguishes between western stone and eastern stone.
I've attached a photo of a small plaster boiler house I painted. I used thinned acrylics to pick out individual stones, using a few very light coats until I got the subtle differences I thought looked realistic. Hope this helps.
http://www.monstermodelworks.com/_download_files/BlockDryStackedStone.pdf (http://www.monstermodelworks.com/_download_files/BlockDryStackedStone.pdf)
https://www.nebrownstone.com/blog/painting-new-england-brownstone-castings/ (https://www.nebrownstone.com/blog/painting-new-england-brownstone-castings/)
Jerry
Thanks for following along and posting the references. I really like the look of the varied color stone walls and will use them on a future build. I have the roundhouse all built and it's to late to change to that technique for this build because I want the two structures to match.
Today, I finished putting the windows in the roof sheds and put all the pieces together for a test fit of the Locomotive Works.
Here are a few pictures with everything sitting in place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250118211454.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250118211710.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250118211807.jpeg)
I have some trimming to do on the roof cards and then it will be time to add the roofing. I keep hitting the yellow paint with A&I to tone it down. It may just need another dose on some of the surfaces. After going back and looking and the pictures of Bob VanGelder's and George Sellios' Stone Roundhouse builds I've decided to leave the the coloring of the stone alone. I will be doing some more work with the eraser to let the gray show through more in some areas. After the roofing is complete it will be time for the details. I made some progress on completing the brick floor and plan on finishing it tomorrow. Then, I will build the wall that separates the two bays and the wood floor for the machine shop. I'm going to use pastel chalk and Alcohol to color the individual wood blanks for the floor.
Here is a picture of where I left off with the brick floor. The super glue I used to put down the track left some shinny residue that I need to take care of. I lightly weathered the brick floor that will be along the wall - no traffic area - workbenches and shelving will occupy this area. I will leave the final weathering until the castings are all mounted in place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250118213302.jpeg)
Very nice progress on this engine house. As always, your work is very inspiring.
Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on January 26, 2018, 07:35:50 AM
Very nice progress on this engine house. As always, your work is very inspiring.
Eric
Eric
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
I got an email asking me to post a picture of the Stone Roundhouse which is the companion building to the Locomotive Works. So here you go. This is the view from the spot where the Locomotive Works will reside.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118133002.jpeg)
John, I'm sure you explained this a while back, but why the "strange" open front on the loco shop? Will this connect to the Roundhouse in some way?
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 26, 2018, 01:54:02 PM
John, I'm sure you explained this a while back, but why the "strange" open front on the loco shop? Will this connect to the Roundhouse in some way?
dave
Dave
The opening I think your referring to is the back of the Locomotive Works (see picture below). The front will have two doors the match the doors on the Roundhouse. This building will be the first structure you see as you inter the layout room. It will be highly detailed in the interior which I didn't want to be only visible when you take the removable roof off.
So the story is, the Locomotive Works is being remodeled to extend the building so the
new S2 4-8-4's can fit into the building for maintenance. The construction had to go on without interrupting the crucial work being done - so the build is set in time where the construction is at the stage of building the back stone wall. The structure is designed to carry this theme including the seam on the floor were the bricks will change from the highly weathered bricks of the old building to the newer, less weathered bricks in the new section. In the next few posts, I will try to describe the scene with some progress shot pictures. The partial stone wall that you see in this picture will be complete with scaffolding and stone masons working to complete the build while the machinists and locomotive repairman are busy keeping the railroad running on the inside. The back of the building will also have the loading docks, boiler house, and a scrap yard.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118222203.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118222203.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the view as you inter the layout room. The Locomotive Works fits in the opening that is currently home to a tray filled with my challenge build. You can also see some of the trays that contain the detail castings for this build. I'm working on some track changes to accommodate the Fox Run Build in the background so there is lots of clutter on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118224744.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118224744.jpeg)
I was working on the brick floor today so I took a couple of progress pictures and placed one of the S2 4-8-4's in the work bay so you could get a better picture of what I'm talking about.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118154154.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260118154513.jpeg)
As you can see, this is a big structure and will consume 100's of detail castings when the scene is complete. With lot's of LED lighting, I hope that every one of them will be visible and a natural part of the scene when this is complete. The idea is to have depth to the scene inside the build and outside the build as you look at a row of structures that stretches all the way to the mountains in the distance. Anyway, I hope this explains the "strange" opening in the back of the building.
John,
You are doin' some beautiful work. Really enjoy the weathered brick floor. Wow! You go girl. Thanx Thom...
Quote from: tct855 on January 27, 2018, 12:10:39 AM
John,
You are doin' some beautiful work. Really enjoy the weathered brick floor. Wow! You go girl. Thanx Thom...
Tom
Thanks for stopping by and for the kind words. I need to figure out how to make the new addition brick look slightly used.
OK, thanks for the back-story. I'm looking forward to seeing how you stage this to tell the story!
dave
John,
I was wondering how we were going to enjoy the detailed interior. Sounds like you have a plan for not only that but some great photos, too.
Dave and Jerry
Thanks for the followup posts. Here is what the roof looks like with the trim. The trim pieces actually glove the side of the stone walls so it fits great and will not move. I think that it will stay down without adding the magnetic strips I talked about in a previous post, but we will see. The windows are all in the roof sheds. Except for the two that I made today to replace the ones that fell on the floor and I rolled over them with the chair wheel when I pushed away to look for them. I'm sure glad I had replacements on hand. I found them sitting on the workbench after the blue air cleared.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270118195450.jpeg)
The next step is to glue the roof sheds in place and add any bracing to the roof card that I think is need after I see how rigid it is with the sheds glued down. Then it's time for some roofing. The big roof will be rolled roofing that matches what I used on the Stone Roundhouse. The roof sheds will have metal roofing (which in this case will be the paper roofing that looks like metal roofing). We are getting close to adding all those details.
I got back on the Locomotive Works build today. I spent about half the day working on it and then switched to my Yard Tower Challenge build. I will post the progress pictures of the Yard Tower on the Challenge Kit build thread.
I accomplished three tasks today on the Locomotive Works. First, I put the windows in the Stone Walls.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010218181544.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010218181623.jpeg)
Next, came gluing the roof sheds to the roof card. They sure stiffened the Roof card and made it rigid.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010218181749.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010218181712.jpeg)
Finally, for today I cut all the strip wood for the wood flooring. I will be distressing it and weathering it with the Alcohol and Chalk tomorrow.
Very nice progress....and your work bench is ever so clean, so organized :) that I'm jealous :D :p
Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on February 01, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Very nice progress....and your work bench is ever so clean, so organized :) that I'm jealous :D :p
Eric
Eric
I'm making a big effort to have a place for everything and keep everything in it's place. I've got a very bad case of the can't find S**t going on that is killing my productivity. I actually work on 4 different work benches throughout the day depending on what I'm doing and I'm setting them up with the tools I use every day all within arms reach. It took a few bucks but so far I think it's worth the investment. It's helping a lot with productivity. I may have to go with the rope around my neck for my glasses, though, because I'm always taking them off and laying them down.
John great job on the windows in the stone walls.
Are you putting lights in the inspection pits?
Jerry
John, I so admire your modeling. Thank you for being so kind to share.
ed
Quote from: Jerry on February 01, 2018, 09:24:36 PM
John great job on the windows in the stone walls.
Are you putting lights in the inspection pits?
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for the kind words. Yes - the inspection pits will have lights. My plan is to show of the interior detail with LED lighting. Slim (his handle on the forum) is working on some special LED shop lights. Here is the link to slim's website if you don't already have it.
https://microlumina.com
Quote from: engine909 on February 01, 2018, 09:30:47 PM
John, I so admire your modeling. Thank you for being so kind to share.
ed
Ed
Thanks for following along and the kind words.
I have 2 flavors of "can't find s**t". The first is when the workspace gets too crowded.
The second is when I put stuff away, and then forget where I put something!!! (That's true right now for my 'truck tuner' wheelset axle tool.)
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 02, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
I have 2 flavors of "can't find s**t". The first is when the workspace gets too crowded.
The second is when I put stuff away, and then forget where I put something!!! (That's true right now for my 'truck tuner' wheelset axle tool.)
dave
Dave
You have the symptoms. I'm trying to fight it - the workbench organization is working pretty well. The labels I put on the cabinets only works when I take the time to read and update them. ;)
Today, I finished the strip wood that will be used for the floor on the machine shop side of the Locomotive Works. Also, drew up a template for the wall between the two bays and got started on building it.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020218192320.jpeg)
Today, I made some progress on the Locomotive Works. The framing was finished for the wall between the two bays of the work shop. Tomorrow, I will be adding the sheeting to the inspection pit side of the wall. The bare studs will be visible on the machine shop side of the wall.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030218185606.jpeg)
This is a factory size stud wall 2x8 studs with 4 by 8 plates.
Also, started gluing down the floor boards on the machine shop side of the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030218185651.jpeg)
Here is a sneak peak at the floor between the weights that are being used to hold it in place until the glue dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030218185841.jpeg)
John,
This is another great build with excellent documentation. Thanks, I'm enjoying it!
John
Quote from: Cuse on February 04, 2018, 07:16:12 AM
John,
This is another great build with excellent documentation. Thanks, I'm enjoying it!
John
John
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
Today, I spent most of the day working on my Yard Tower Challenge build but I also made some progress on the Locomotive Works. The sheeting started going on the wall that will separate the inspection pits from the machine shop.
I also laid down a couple more inches of the wood flooring for the machine shop.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040218193608.jpeg)
The chalk that is left on my workbench from the coloring of wood flooring is giving me a head start on coloring the wall.
John,
Enjoying the stick built construction of the wall, and the floor is looking more like the prototype than a model. Great modeling!
Quote from: jerryrbeach on February 05, 2018, 07:06:59 AM
John,
Enjoying the stick built construction of the wall, and the floor is looking more like the prototype than a model. Great modeling!
Jerry
Thank you for stopping by the thread and your kind words. I really love scratch building stick by stick. I have a number of project planed for the layout - the big problem with scratch building is that it take more time and I have a layout I would like to finish some day.
Great progress John. Wonderful details you're adding. Thanks for the progress photos!
Quote from: MAP on February 06, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
Great progress John. Wonderful details you're adding. Thanks for the progress photos!
Mark
Thanks for following along. I will add more progress photos tomorrow. Today, I finished the floor and started installing the overhead crane over the inspection pits. Also, finished and weathered the wall which will be the next installation. I also decided to add a foreman's office with an engineering office upstairs in the front of the machine shop. I drew up a template and will begin construction, tomorrow.
I did take a picture of the finished wood floor on the machine shop side of the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060218195020.jpeg)
Nice looking floor. Is the wooden wall you are building going to separate the floors?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 06, 2018, 07:58:47 PM
Nice looking floor. Is the wooden wall you are building going to separate the floors?
Curt
Yes - the wall will be mounted to the wooden floor right at the seam.
John,
Looks better with each photo you post.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on February 06, 2018, 08:23:48 PM
John,
Looks better with each photo you post.
Jerry
Thanks for following along - it's time to start adding the details so it should start changing rapidly.
I spent and hour on workbench organization, today. You may have noticed I keep the detail castings and parts for each project in a plastic tray. They really help when you have multiple projects going but they were taking up a lot of workbench space. So today I made a rack for them. It fits on the shelf above my detailing workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080218195536.jpeg)
There is a slot for one more tray that is on backorder.
Also, made some progress on the Locomotive works, the foremen's office, wall, and overhead crane frame are installed. the foremen's and engineering office is just a test fit. I will detail it when I decide that it's a go.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080218195452.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-080218195402.jpeg)
I did the initial weathering on the wall with A&I. There will be more with chalks later.
John .....
This is the coolest build ever.
thanx
Bob
John,
Very exciting to watch this take shape!
Quote from: bparrish on February 09, 2018, 03:42:26 AM
John .....
This is the coolest build ever.
thanx
Bob
Bob
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. We are getting to the fun part where I start adding the details. I'm having a lot of fun with this one. ;) ;D ;D ;D
John,
I agree, this is a very neat build. I'm loving the interior, looks good.
Tom ;D
Quote from: jerryrbeach on February 09, 2018, 09:19:19 AM
John,
Very exciting to watch this take shape!
Thanks for stopping by Jerry. I 'm excited to see it start coming together - this one has been in the planning stage for years.
John,
I am enjoying this build as best I can, Between eye surgeries when the glasses work.
Jim
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 09, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
John,
I agree, this is a very neat build. I'm loving the interior, looks good.
Tom ;D
Hi Tom
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. I'm spending most of the day painting the detail castings for the interior - I will be at this for a few days but it's all about those details.
John, I wasn't sure how it would all go together but that looks great.
Quote from: jimmillho on February 09, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
John,
I am enjoying this build as best I can, Between eye surgeries when the glasses work.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along and good luck with your eye surgeries.
Hey John
This is getting better with every post. Can't wait for the details.
Jerry
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 09, 2018, 05:33:45 PM
John, I wasn't sure how it would all go together but that looks great.
Curt
This is a true scratch build - a lot of making it up as we go. I have an idea of what I want to do in each location but I don't know for sure if I will like it until I see it on the model.
Quote from: Jerry on February 09, 2018, 09:00:10 PM
Hey John
This is getting better with every post. Can't wait for the details.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for following along. I with you on the details - I can't wait either.
For the next few days I have a number of mini projects for the Locomotive Works to complete. I have a boiler to assemble and finish paint, a horizontal steam engine to assemble and finish paint, and an overhead pulley system to assemble. All very cool details but very time consuming to assemble. Maybe a picture or two on the workbench. ;)
I also have the foreman's office and engineering office to detail. I need to figure out how I want to light it. :-\
The detailing bench is full of castings in various stages of being painted. I will be at this for a couple weeks with the castings for four different builds.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160218224843.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160218224843.jpeg)
The Mackenzie Build is back on the workbench and ready for all those detail castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160218225732.jpeg)
I have some of the machine tools painted for the Locomotive Works build. I'm adding them, as I finish the painting, to the build to test different locations and arrangements.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160218225817.jpeg)
Very cool... sir
See ya
Bob
John,
Wow! The flooring, both wood and brick, looks so real it knocks me out every time I check your progress. That is going to be one awesome shop.
Very Nice... all this project are piece of art.
Eric
Loco works is a great project. Enjoying watching a highly skilled builder. Jim
Quote from: bparrish on February 17, 2018, 12:12:22 AM
Very cool... sir
See ya
Bob
Bob
Thanks - I'm having fun with it!
Excellent modeling and weathering.
John, I don't understand why you are only working on four things at once?
To me, the amazing thing is you are doing all four extremely well.
Each one having it's own signature.
Thank you for sharing your incredible work.
ed
Quote from: jerryrbeach on February 17, 2018, 07:46:31 AM
John,
Wow! The flooring, both wood and brick, looks so real it knocks me out every time I check your progress. That is going to be one awesome shop.
Jerry
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. If I use all the castings I have primed it's going to be one very busy place.
Quote from: EricQuebec on February 17, 2018, 08:11:52 AM
Very Nice... all this project are piece of art.
Eric
Eric
Thank you for the very kind words.
Quote from: jrmueller on February 17, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
Loco works is a great project. Enjoying watching a highly skilled builder. Jim
Jim
Thanks - I try to make up for the skill thing with working hard at it.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 17, 2018, 01:58:09 PM
Excellent modeling and weathering.
Thanks Curt - my weathering kind of evolves as I go through the building process. One of the issues I'm having with posting pictures is that the new phones like to automatically enhance photographs. I will get the SLR out when I'm close to being finished and try to post some better photographs.
Quote from: engine909 on February 17, 2018, 02:08:45 PM
John, I don't understand why you are only working on four things at once?
To me, the amazing thing is you are doing all four extremely well.
Each one having it's own signature.
Thank you for sharing your incredible work.
ed
Ed
You ask a great question - why do I have 4 projects going at once? It's just the way I roll I guess. It works real well for me when I'm going through the building process. I move from one workbench to the other as I'm waiting for glue or paint to dry. The problem is that I always end up with all of builds needing the detail castings at the same time. Which means weeks of painting castings before I can finish up a model. This time I'm trying something different. I'm actually painting the castings for my next build - FSM's Fox Run - while I'm painting the casting for Mackenzie's, the Locomotive Works, and my challenge build the Monster Model Works Yard Tower. I'm hoping that I can keep going with Fox Run and have a smaller batch of castings for my next build sequence. We will see if this works better.
John were did you get those machines for the machine shop? They really look nice.
Even though I do O-Scale you don't see many HO scale machines that look that good.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on February 21, 2018, 09:15:40 AM
John were did you get those machines for the machine shop? They really look nice.
Even though I do O-Scale you don't see many HO scale machines that look that good.
Jerry
Jerry
The wheel grinder, drill presses, and band saw are from Scale Structures Limited, the lathes are from Crow River Products. I will be adding additional machines that I have picked up at shows over the years. I will also be adding some details that do not come with the stock kits. Many of the details will be added as I install the belt drive system.
Here's another source of machine tools: http://www.riograndemodels.com/HO.htm
And hopefully we'll get the Western Scale Models stuff again, including their belt drive set.
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 21, 2018, 03:16:45 PM
Here's another source of machine tools: http://www.riograndemodels.com/HO.htm (http://www.riograndemodels.com/HO.htm)
And hopefully we'll get the Western Scale Models stuff again, including their belt drive set.
dave
Dave
Thanks for adding these sources.
I also have a number of the rio grande models casting. Very nice castings. I have been trying for years to get the Western Scale Models HO machine tools. They only have the lathe in HO at this time.
A very nice job on the machine castings. I am working on a few as well. They are tiny little buggers and a challenge to paint. Yours look very clean. Again, nice job.
Matt
Quote from: restocarp on February 22, 2018, 07:23:37 AM
A very nice job on the machine castings. I am working on a few as well. They are tiny little buggers and a challenge to paint. Yours look very clean. Again, nice job.
Matt
Matt
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. The castings will be taking on a very used look once I get them in place. I have been saving HO size chips, and I plan on having some work in the machines when it's all said and done. I would like to make the scene look like a snap shot of a day in the life of a working Locomotive Works.
Quote from: S&S RR on February 22, 2018, 09:17:51 PMI have been saving HO size chips, and I plan on having some work in the machines when it's all said and done. I would like to make the scene look like a snap shot of a day in the life of a working Locomotive Works.
I have been using MDF dust tinted with my ink and isopropyl alcohol mix.
Matt
The first tray of castings has been completed and is ready for installation in the Mackenzie build, the Locomotive Works, and the Fox run build. I'm 90% complete with the second tray of castings and then the fun will begin. This tray is 19 x 30 inches. That's a lot of HO scale castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270218195855.jpeg)
Today, I started fitting and assembling the stone wall that will go around the scrap yard beside the Locomotive Works. These are hydrocal castings that will be colored to look like the wall was made from stones from the area around the Locomotive Works. The first picture is on the workbench. The second, is with the build in place on the layout to test the fit.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270218200016.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270218195935.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270218195935.jpeg)
The facia above the hydrocal wall is the built in bookshelf that divides my layout room from the workshop. It will be covered and painted dark green like the rest of the facia on the layout.
John nice detail work. That wall is going to really look nice.
Are those castings NewEnglandBrownstone? Or ones you made??
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on March 02, 2018, 12:33:00 AM
John nice detail work. That wall is going to really look nice.
Are those castings NewEnglandBrownstone? Or ones you made??
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along and the kind words.
I believe the original castings were New England Brownstone. I found them in my castings box - they are off from some molds that I made a few years ago. I cut them down and added the mortar lines for the top stones. I painted the wall today, and will post some pictures this evening.
Here are a couple pictures of the progress on the wall that will enclose the scrap yard behind the Locomotive Works. First the wall in place and primed.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030318082604.jpeg)
Here it is with the final coloring. I used 5 different colors of chalk and alcohol.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030318082701.jpeg)
I also got started with the details for the Mackenzie build. Here I'm installing the waterwheel and flume.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030318082857.jpeg)
What a nice building, very well done.
Can't wait to begin my own....
Eric
Great looking wall.
You did the wall justice great job.
Jerry
Quote from: EricQuebec on March 03, 2018, 08:48:21 AM
What a nice building, very well done.
Can't wait to begin my own....
Eric
Eric
Thanks - This has been a very fun build. I'm looking forward to the final pictures of it on the layout.
Quote from: Jerry on March 03, 2018, 04:23:25 PM
You did the wall justice great job.
Jerry
Thanks Jerry - now for all the junk that will cover most of it up. ;)
I added the dirt base for the junk yard today. I also started adding the interior details - the steam engine, and some work benches have been glued in. The HO figure laying between the locomotive inspection pits is my height gauge for hanging tools and equipment on the walls.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030318193121.jpeg)
I also added the dirt and more details to the Mackenzie build. The chimney's were added along with the loose bricks falling all over the roof from the chimney that's on it's way down. The boat casting is very detailed, including a rat. The dried up pond area for this build is going to take a lot of work but I think it's going to be worth it.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030318193032.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-030318193032.jpeg)
Looking good John.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on March 03, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
Looking good John.
Jim
Thanks for stopping by the thread Jim. We are at the fun part of these builds where every day brings more details.
Looks great John.
I started installing the belt drive system in the Locomotive Works, today. I'll post some pictures when I get further along. Lots of measuring and measuring again, and then some cutting. At least I have a plan now, we will see if I can implement it.
I was working on some track changes today and decided to cut the base board for the Yard Tower build. This is the location where it will be planted on the layout. Two FSM kits are planned just to the right in the space in the picture. Sewall's Foundry will be just to the right and Fox Run Milling will be next door.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100318154256.jpeg)
I received a special package from Slim - the LED shop lights for the Locomotive Works and some other future projects. Great custom packaging Bill. I'm looking forward to installing these.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210318091738.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210318091814.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210318091857.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210318091935.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-210318092010.jpeg)
Hey John:
Looks like yo are hard at work. I will be watching as you progress.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on March 21, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
Hey John:
Looks like yo are hard at work. I will be watching as you progress.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for following along - I'm behind on taking pictures. I will post a progress report later in the week.
It's later in the week!!! :)
Looking for pictures of progress!!
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on March 23, 2018, 09:39:17 AM
It's later in the week!!! :)
Looking for pictures of progress!!
Jerry
Jerry
Your right - I just added taking pictures to my to-do-list for, today. ;)
As promised, here are a few progress pictures. These are the "whats on my workbench variety". First, the Mackenzie build, adding the pond water and cattails. The MOD PODGE water is the second coat and I may have went a little too heavy on the second coat - it taking forever to dry clear. The cattails are glued in long and then trimmed and painted with the brown tops.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230318212448.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230318212448.jpeg)
I working on a number of fronts on the Locomotive Works. The metal roofing is almost complete on the roof sheds. I should be able to finish this up and start the coloring / weathering process, tomorrow. This is the first time I've used the paper version of metal roofing. So far, I really like it, we will see if I still feel the same way about them after the roof is weathered. I made a test sample and liked the way it turned out. I would take a picture but I can't find it. ;) :(
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-230318212347.jpeg)
I took some more update pictures but the internet is taking it's sweat time uploading them to the cloud. I think the boss is streaming a TV program upstairs. I'll post them in the morning.
Here are a few more progress pictures of the Locomotive Works. I'm building the boiler for the steam driven belt drive system for the machine tools.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240318083612.jpeg)
The interior is still a work in progress - installing more machines and the belt drive system.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-240318083834.jpeg)
I really like the last picture of the interior. It's very nicely done.
What a piece of art.
John Have try 'Golden Soft gel (gloss) ' rather than Modge Podge to make water ?
I use it forl years. No need to make several coat, dry in 24H, and can be sculpted when apply to make wave.... a great product ...
Eric
The machinery would make a good reason for me to go to a larger scale , I just love the detail.
John,
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-280414101931.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-280414101931.jpeg)
AND MORE -FINE STUFF!
Tom ;D
Quote from: PRR Modeler on March 24, 2018, 09:59:36 AM
I really like the last picture of the interior. It's very nicely done.
Curt
Thank you for the kind words. I'm just getting started with the interior detail. Many of the machines will have work in progress. I had to get the belt system all setup before I could start working out the details. As they say, please stay tuned.
Quote from: EricQuebec on March 24, 2018, 11:00:16 AM
What a piece of art.
John Have try 'Golden Soft gel (gloss) ' rather than Modge Podge to make water ?
I use it forl years. No need to make several coat, dry in 24H, and can be sculpted when apply to make wave.... a great product ...
Eric
Eric
Thank you for the kind words. I have lots of details to add to this build - I like how the structure turned out now to frame it with some nice scenery.
This is the first time I've used Mod Podge for water. Based on the drying time I will be trying the Golden Soft gel (gloss) on my next project. Thank you for the tip.
This is really looking great, nice work on the interior.
I have tried modge podge and gotten a lot of small bubbles. The Golden products work well .
Quote from: Janbouli on March 24, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
The machinery would make a good reason for me to go to a larger scale , I just love the detail.
Jan
You do great work in N scale. Every scale has it's advantages and disadvantages. I also love the details and sometimes think I should have switched to O. I think it's one of those grass is greener things.
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 24, 2018, 04:44:46 PM
John,
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-280414101931.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-280414101931.jpeg)
AND MORE -FINE STUFF!
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words.
Quote from: Lynnb on March 25, 2018, 04:18:37 PM
This is really looking great, nice work on the interior.
I have tried modge podge and gotten a lot of small bubbles. The Golden products work well .
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words. I will be giving the Golden products a try.
I finished up the roof on the Locomotive Works this weekend, and since this is my first experience with the paper metal roofing I thought I would post the process I used to color it. Here is a picture of the roof with the paper material as it comes out of the package.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318213500.jpeg)
I first colored the roofing with a Alcohol and chalk mixture using the Rembrandt 409.3 Dark Brown pastel chalk.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318213552.jpeg)
The two long roof sheds on the left show the roof after this first step.
You will notice that I have a picture of a prototype roof on my iPad for reference.
The next step was to color the complete roof with a burnt umber (lighter and more red than the first coat) Vallejo pigment.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318213656.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318213656.jpeg)
I then started apply three different shade of rust pigments randomly to the roof. Here is what my pallet looked like. This final step I applied the pigments dry.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318213933.jpeg)
The following pictures show the roof from various angles and finally installed on the Locomotive Works. I also applied a light grey pigment to the cooled roofing portion of the roof before I took the pictures of the roof on the building.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318214248.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318214153.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318214118.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318214050.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250318091146.jpeg)
Looks fantastic, what method did you use for the rusty roofs?
Great weathering of the roofs John , what would you say is the difference between the pastel chalks and the pigments ?
Hey John that came mighty fine! Great job on the roof.
Jerry
Quote from: Lynnb on March 25, 2018, 10:50:01 PM
Looks fantastic, what method did you use for the rusty roofs?
Thank you. The roof was done with the new textured paper metal roofing instead of the traditional metal roofing from Campbell. The coloring was all done with chalks and pigments. If you go back a page or two I have posted some progress photographs. Please let me know if you have any questions.
I decided to go with the paper roofing because I thought it would hold up better if something touches it. This structure is going to be right on the edge of the layout. One of the problems I have had with the Campbell roofing in the past is the primer popping off and taking the weathering with it if anything touches it. The paper passed the application and coloring test - if it holds up well on this build it will become my material of choice. I do have a lot of the Campbell stuff to use up - for background buildings. ;)
Quote from: Janbouli on March 26, 2018, 06:34:55 AM
Great weathering of the roofs John , what would you say is the difference between the pastel chalks and the pigments ?
Jan
The only difference to me is the color. I use them interchangeably. The only issue is when I'm using them dry I like the texture to be really fine. I sometimes get out the mortar and pestle to achieve it. This would be even more of an issue for you in N scale.
I also, always try to use three shade of color. In this case, I used two base coats and threes shades of the red/brown rust color.
Quote from: Jerry on March 26, 2018, 12:35:55 PM
Hey John that came mighty fine! Great job on the roof.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the complement - it is much appreciated.
The coloring of this roof needed to meet my time frame (1949). Although, there is an addition being added to the structure, the story is that this is the roof that was put on the building before the depression and war. It is still keeping the rain out so it was not replaced with the addition to the back of the Locomotive Works. It's showing the rust, with most of the original finish gone, but hasn't rusted through, yet. The building originally had an overhanging roof off the back - the extra stone work was done to accommodate the new longer Steam Locomotives with warm dry service space. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
So here is a picture of my Mod Podge pond after 3 days of drying. Has anyone ever had this problem? I know I went a little heavy on the second coat but the cloudy look is going away about a 1/4 inch a day. My original plan was to put down a couple base coats and then add the green scum coloring - and then add more coats until I got the depth I'm looking for. I also see some bubbles as Lynn mentioned. At this point I wish I would have used EnviroTex. Any suggestions?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270318213554.jpeg)
John I guess I had missed all your March 25 roof updates, I now see all your steps. I had recieved some of that type of roofing in a one of my Bar Mills kits. I also was a bit leary about using it compared to the Campbell roofing but it went well and I found once I had a good primer / base color down , I think I used a tinted polly scale rust or floquil rust and then also used some rembrant chalks and alchohol.
As for the Modge podge back when I was trying different things actually applied on the cured surface of envirotex I simply used my paint stripper gun and heated the surface a bit and the entire area lifted right up in pretty much one piece. Keep in mind its basicly transparent glue and water will probably loosen it right up. If I didn't mention the bubbles you probably would never had noticed. ;D
Quote from: Lynnb on March 28, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
John I guess I had missed all your March 25 roof updates, I now see all your steps. I had recieved some of that type of roofing in a one of my Bar Mills kits. I also was a bit leary about using it compared to the Campbell roofing but it went well and I found once I had a good primer / base color down , I think I used a tinted polly scale rust or floquil rust and then also used some rembrant chalks and alchohol.
As for the Modge podge back when I was trying different things actually applied on the cured surface of envirotex I simply used my paint stripper gun and heated the surface a bit and the entire area lifted right up in pretty much one piece. Keep in mind its basicly transparent glue and water will probably loosen it right up. If I didn't mention the bubbles you probably would never had noticed. ;D
Thanks you for the follow-up post. I applied the Mod Podge on a surface that I would have used for EnviroTex. As of today (day four) the Mod Podge is curing but very very slowly. Since I started down this path I'm going to try to make it work. If I have to I will lift the whole water scene up and start over but, like I said, I think it will cure and work out eventually. I actually added more water and cattails to the scene today.
A few months ago we had a discussion about the best way to old down the removable roof on models. I planed the space for velcro and today I added it. I think it's going to work just fine. A few pictures of how I implemented it.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280318205635.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280318205602.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280318205723.jpeg)
I made some more progress on the interior detail and thought I would share the progress pictures. I took this set of pictures with my iPhone for review - what do I want to add, change, etc. ? I always use photographs to review my models before the final round of detailing. This model will have more details outside than inside - that will be next.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210455.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210534.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210614.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210721.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210830.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210906.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318210955.jpeg)
I also got started on the loading dock that will go between the tracks in the back of the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300318212211.jpeg)
Tomorrow, I'm going to get started on the installation of the shop lamps that Slim made for me.
Looking good John, how do you like the rusty stumps jigs? I like them, they keep the spacing right on the line.
(https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX10622016.jpg)
Great job John. That's really fine work!
The roofs look great. I prefer the paper product as there are no "shiny spots" like on the Campbell roofing if you manage not to cover it all or as you said, you touch it. The interior looks wonderful as well.
Jeff
Quote from: Lynnb on March 30, 2018, 11:52:08 PM
Looking good John, how do you like the rusty stumps jigs? I like them, they keep the spacing right on the line.
Thank you for the kind words. The Rusty Stumps Jigs work great. I had cut some similar jigs with my table saw many years ago that I got rid of when I found these. I use them in place of the template cards for most of my builds. I'm planning to make a little fixture to hold them and use them up side down for my next build. Stay tuned to the thread and I will show you what I mean.
Quote from: Janbouli on March 31, 2018, 03:10:57 AM
(https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX10622016.jpg) (https://d2gg9evh47fn9z.cloudfront.net/800px_COLOURBOX10622016.jpg)
Jan
Thank you
Quote from: Cuse on March 31, 2018, 05:38:54 AM
Great job John. That's really fine work!
John
Thank you for the kind words and following along. I need to complete about 30 feet more track on the HOn3 line on my layout and I will be able run some very special locomotives. It's on the to-do list for this summer - as soon as I complete the three builds on my workbench and wire the turnout controls for the Eagles Nest Yard.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on March 31, 2018, 08:21:16 AM
The roofs look great. I prefer the paper product as there are no "shiny spots" like on the Campbell roofing if you manage not to cover it all or as you said, you touch it. The interior looks wonderful as well.
Jeff
Jeff
Thank you for following along and the kind words. The paper product for the metal roofs is definitely my material of choice - the only problem is it is expensive and I have a ton of the Campbell material.
John,
The shop interior is stunning! The belt driven machinery is just beautiful. What a shame to hide that wonderful detailed interior under the roof (even though it is removable)!
Quote from: jerryrbeach on April 01, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
John,
The shop interior is stunning! The belt driven machinery is just beautiful. What a shame to hide that wonderful detailed interior under the roof (even though it is removable)!
Jerry
Thanks for following the thread and the kind words. The interior detail will be visible through the back wall of the structure which is being modeled as "under construction". The roof is also removable - for special occasions. My next step is to install all the LED shop lights. Then the loading docks and scaffolds for the stone masons that will be working on the back of the building. I'm also working on a boiler that powers the belt drive system that will be installed behind the main structure. The side yard will have some locomotives being scraped out for parts.
This morning I realized that volume 2 of this build thread is already at 100 pages. I updated the index to volume 1 and will update the index to volume 2 to get everything up--to-date in the next few days. About 70 more pages and it will be time to start Volume 3. I better get to work. ;)
Quote from: S&S RR on March 31, 2018, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: Lynnb on March 30, 2018, 11:52:08 PM
Looking good John, how do you like the rusty stumps jigs? I like them, they keep the spacing right on the line.
Thank you for the kind words. The Rusty Stumps Jigs work great. I had cut some similar jigs with my table saw many years ago that I got rid of when I found these. I use them in place of the template cards for most of my builds. I'm planning to make a little fixture to hold them and use them up side down for my next build. Stay tuned to the thread and I will show you what I mean.
I think I know what you mean for a jig, they would work so much better if they could be held so the slots face up and just have to drop joyces in.
Quote from: Lynnb on April 01, 2018, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on March 31, 2018, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: Lynnb on March 30, 2018, 11:52:08 PM
Looking good John, how do you like the rusty stumps jigs? I like them, they keep the spacing right on the line.
Thank you for the kind words. The Rusty Stumps Jigs work great. I had cut some similar jigs with my table saw many years ago that I got rid of when I found these. I use them in place of the template cards for most of my builds. I'm planning to make a little fixture to hold them and use them up side down for my next build. Stay tuned to the thread and I will show you what I mean.
I think I know what you mean for a jig, they would work so much better if they could be held so the slots face up and just have to drop joyces in.
Yes - that's what I have in mind. A wood block with slits that will allow the Rusty Stumps jigs to stand upright so the joists just drop in - then add the top surface. The lower joist supports can then be added once the jigs are removed. This is how the templates I made with my table saw worked.
Ready to add the deck to loading dock number one for the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-020418205842.jpeg)
John your detail work inside is perfect.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on April 03, 2018, 01:10:58 PM
John your detail work inside is perfect.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for following along and the kind words. I have been trying to figure out when to quit - how many details are enough? One of the things I wanted to do is to have this be a working shop. I have seen many machine shops modeled over the years, and to often, they look beautiful but it's the seen only the midnight watchman sees. Nothing going on. I added work in the mill, lathe, and wheel grinder - machinists, and chips on the floor to try to achieve the working shop look. The HO size chips are from a #80 drill. HO scale firewood is beside the stoves, yes I really cut it and chopped it. There is a tree by my deer hunting blind that is missing a branch that was just the right size. I have a few more things to add - but it's time to get the outside detail done. As soon as I get the LED lights installed. Once I get outside area done I will take some photographs with the SLR camera and study them for changes and/or more details.
Hey John:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that is really cool and very well done.
Karl
Just catching up with your progress John. Holy Cow! Everything looks fantastic! I really like that you've included "people" working in the machine shop. Really adds another level of detail. Love it!
Quote from: postalkarl on April 03, 2018, 05:22:00 PM
Hey John:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that is really cool and very well done.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for the complement it is much appreciated. Stay tuned for the final pictures - this build has a ways to go yet.
Quote from: MAP on April 03, 2018, 06:13:43 PM
Just catching up with your progress John. Holy Cow! Everything looks fantastic! I really like that you've included "people" working in the machine shop. Really adds another level of detail. Love it!
Mark
Thanks for the kind words. We have all learned from George that it's all about the details - and telling a story.
I have spent the last week doing the detail work on the Locomotive Works and Mackenzie Mill. Lots of details taking lots of time. I spent most of the day today doing HO scale plumbing for the steam boiler that will power the machinery in the machine shop. I will post some progress pictures in a few days.
John...
Have you considered having your structures evaluated for the AP.
Sticks in a box is not a reason to not consider it. There has been a long debate about this sticks in a box idea. The fact that someone else put the sticks in the box somehow makes it unacceptable.
We have all seen poor assemblies of various craftsman kits and then there is the stuff we see on this forum. I doubt that anyone on this forum could not have the AP structures certificate already done, or else well on the way.
Thanx John for your regular submissions to this forum. It is motivational.
see ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on April 11, 2018, 04:00:47 PM
John...
Have you considered having your structures evaluated for the AP.
Sticks in a box is not a reason to not consider it. There has been a long debate about this sticks in a box idea. The fact that someone else put the sticks in the box somehow makes it unacceptable.
We have all seen poor assemblies of various craftsman kits and then there is the stuff we see on this forum. I doubt that anyone on this forum could not have the AP structures certificate already done, or else well on the way.
Thanx John for your regular submissions to this forum. It is motivational.
see ya
Bob
Hi Bob
I have considered going for an MMR - I went as far as sitting down with Frank Baker and going through some of the documentation he did for his certificates. As I'm writing this I don't know if Frank has his MMR, yet. As I complete my layout, I will have a number of scratch build structures along with many kits - some will be built looking like the pictures that come with the kit and some will only have a slight resemblance when I'm done with them. Actually, I see a kit as a box full of parts. I know that many of the kit manufactures love to see what others can do with their box full of parts and one design idea. I have had this conversation with George Sellios many times.
I see no difference in the skills that are required to build a kit verses building a scratch built model of a prototype building. In both cases the design is given to you. The kit has some of the materials cut to size. The good kits provide detail castings that are extremely less expensive than buying individual castings to make a quality model. This is true even if you buy the good kits at ebay prices.It is truly all about the details.The only problem I have with submitting my builds for certificates is the paper work and the time it would take away from building to complete it. I spent 38 years doing the paper work - technical publications, patents, etc. for my engineering projects. I love designing, engineering, and building. I don't enjoy the paper work. My way of communicating with the model railroad community is through this build thread, for now. I may change my mind later - first by some potential magazine articles about the layout, and maybe later by pursuing my MMR. For now, I have a railroad that I want to build and I'm having a great time doing it. I managed to collect, while I was working, a lot of boxes with sticks and wonderful detail castings in them that need to be built.
I hope this answers your question.
I'm with you, John. It seems to me that the evaluation of the paperwork often is more important than the evaluation of the model (and the skill of the modeler.) Having to worry "Did I hit all the talking points in my paperwork?" is not how I want to spend my modeling time.
NMRA is slow to realize this, but I think at least some groups are having "popularity contests" that are independent of the NMRA Achievement Program. That's A Good Thing.
In fairness, the few times I've submitted models, I have learned from the evaluations. (But the criticisms of the paperwork, such as "You should have pointed out XYZ" went out the other ear :-) )
dave
John and Dave..........
You share some good points here. Sorry John for taking over your post here. One response and I'll leave it alone.
Everyone has their horror story of some recalcitrant judge that made it and then decides that he is going to single handedly make it tougher for everyone that comes after.
In the northwest we have started allowing the modeler to sit with the judges and talk them through what they did and how they got it done. This is about modeling not running a bureaucracy. Dave you're right about the NMRA being slow about this but it is not endemic to the entire process.
I have a good friend who is an evaluator in central Oregon who asked me about the electrical certificate that he was working on. I told him that if he smashed his own atoms for the electrons he would get a better score ! ! !
I don't care if a guy sat out in the woods for thirty years and told the trees how to grow and then planked his own lumber. What is in front of me as a model?
I'm not a push over here for passing out certificates but I work hard at remembering that this is a hobby and the AP is about making better modelers.
And we have some pretty accomplished modelers on this forum. Yourselves included.
With that............................... I will now return you to control of your thread.
thanx
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on April 12, 2018, 01:53:02 AM
John and Dave..........
You share some good points here. Sorry John for taking over your post here. One response and I'll leave it alone.
Everyone has their horror story of some recalcitrant judge that made it and then decides that he is going to single handedly make it tougher for everyone that comes after.
In the northwest we have started allowing the modeler to sit with the judges and talk them through what they did and how they got it done. This is about modeling not running a bureaucracy. Dave you're right about the NMRA being slow about this but it is not endemic to the entire process.
I have a good friend who is an evaluator in central Oregon who asked me about the electrical certificate that he was working on. I told him that if he smashed his own atoms for the electrons he would get a better score ! ! !
I don't care if a guy sat out in the woods for thirty years and told the trees how to grow and then planked his own lumber. What is in front of me as a model?
I'm not a push over here for passing out certificates but I work hard at remembering that this is a hobby and the AP is about making better modelers.
And we have some pretty accomplished modelers on this forum. Yourselves included.
With that............................... I will now return you to control of your thread.
thanx
Bob
Bob
There are no issues with you posting this topic on my thread - it's a build thread - all related model railroading topics are welcome. I think if the evaluation procedure was changed to a verbal walk through it would be of interest to more of the modeling community. NMRA I hope your lessoning.
Yep, I have an aversion to paperwork anymore. That might explain the fact that I haven't posted any new LightBite articles on the ML site for a year or two.
We have one of those certification audits at work every year. Anyone familiar with them knows the volumes of paperwork they generate with all the verifying and validating activities required. Dave and I have shared many Dilbert cartoons on this subject. Suffice it to say, I don't want to add paperwork to my hobby. I think the paperwork, certificate programs and all that stuff reminds me of the white shirt and tie, pipe-smoking model railroader of the sixties. Nothing wrong with it; some people like that kind of structure.
I, on the other hand, am considering making some YouTube videos instead of writing articles. That way I don't have to worry about any dangling participles and comma splices. I just need to transition from being a basement dweller into a being a basement dweller that talks aloud to no one in particular. :o
John - have you ever given any thought to lighting up that shop? ;)
-slim
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on April 12, 2018, 11:44:36 AM
Yep, I have an aversion to paperwork anymore. That might explain the fact that I haven't posted any new LightBite articles on the ML site for a year or two.
We have one of those certification audits at work every year. Anyone familiar with them knows the volumes of paperwork they generate with all the verifying and validating activities required. Dave and I have shared many Dilbert cartoons on this subject. Suffice it to say, I don't want to add paperwork to my hobby. I think the paperwork, certificate programs and all that stuff reminds me of the white shirt and tie, pipe-smoking model railroader of the sixties. Nothing wrong with it; some people like that kind of structure.
I, on the other hand, am considering making some YouTube videos instead of writing articles. That way I don't have to worry about any dangling participles and comma splices. I just need to transition from being a basement dweller into a being a basement dweller that talks aloud to no one in particular. :o
John - have you ever given any thought to lighting up that shop? ;)
-slim
I take a break from thinking about bookcases (see Slims LightBite articles), drawing wiring diagrams and soldiering to find this post. Yes - slim I have thought about lighting up the Locomotive works. Step one was to reread the LightBite. Step two buy lots of LED stuff from Slim. If you look back a few pages I ordered some special shop lights from Slim and posted a picture. I will be documenting my journey into LED structure lighting here on my build thread. I plan on lighting up all the structures in the Eagles Nest Yard. The current plan is to use two 18 volt power supplies that I bought from Slim. I will be using the books case design technique described in LightBite number 3. Do your home work and read them if you want to follow along. Actually, they are very good - but don't tell Slim. It was a great refresh to all that EE stuff I learned as part of my Mechanical Engineering education 40 years ago. It is amazing that I can remember all that stuff but not the names of the guys I met at the train meeting last night. Back to the workbench - pictures soon.
Oh I forgot. QS9000 and all that paperwork did nothing for quality. It was the MBA's and bureaucrats way of trying to understand what the Engineers, and skilled trades people were doing. They never did - only made everything cost more because of all the time spent on the paperwork.
Back to my trains. Slim if you want to cut and paste my pictures and edit the words fell free to use this journal of my experience with your stuff for your next LiteBites article.
And so the LED structure lighting journey begins.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 12, 2018, 03:30:09 PM
... It was a great refresh to all that EE stuff I learned as part of my Mechanical Engineering education 40 years ago. It is amazing that I can remember all that stuff
Lucky you. I found the notebook from my ME1020 Vibrations Analysis class from back then and have
- absolutely - no - clue - whatsoever what any of the Greek symbols and equations mean. Looks impressive though.
Rest easy folks, I didn't work for any companies that built airplanes or airplane power systems. :P
-slim
I sat down this afternoon and used Slim's LightBite articles to design the lighting for the North End of the Eagles Nest Yard. This will include all the lighting for the Roundhouse, the Locomotive Works, the Icing Platform, the coal tower, the water tower, and two other structures. The power will come from one 18 volt power supply that will be plugged into the power strip right next to the Locomotive works. The control panel for this will be in the facia just below the Locomotive works. I need to do some work to finish the diagrams in my log book and I will share the design and notes that I have prepared to keep everything straight. I will follow-up with photographs of the actual installation of all the LED's, and wiring as it progresses. My plan is to have photographs of the figures I'm using from Slim's article next to the photographs of my installation.
The South End of the yard will have a similar control panel and circuit. This will power the Brambell's, Chippy Hollow, Isaac's Coal, Yard Tower, Sewall's, Fox Run, Swakhammer's, G. Wiliker's, and Barnstead Lumber structures. I have plans for some additional track side structures and features that will also be part of the same circuit.
Hi John,
Your engine house and machine shop look great. I like your machinery and the guys working on the machines. It seems to me now you need a lot of clutter like Brett provides in his kits.
Have you considered the NCE lighting decoders for you lights. If I understand there use, all you need to do is wire then to your bus wires and hook up your light to the decoders. The decoders are cheap. When I was building some of my structures, I procrastinated about putting lights in them and kept on procrastinating and didn't do it. Now I am kicking myself in the butt. I am going to go back and see if I can do it retroactively. Like you say only I know what is inside the buildings and I had fun doing them, but I would still like to see them.
As to your AP, I have earned merit awards for my sticks in a box projects to count towards my Structures AP. You are required to build 12 structure, at least 6 can be scratchbuilt and rest kits.
Quote from: sdrees on April 13, 2018, 10:50:34 PM
Hi John,
Your engine house and machine shop look great. I like your machinery and the guys working on the machines. It seems to me now you need a lot of clutter like Brett provides in his kits.
Have you considered the NCE lighting decoders for you lights. If I understand there use, all you need to do is wire then to your bus wires and hook up your light to the decoders. The decoders are cheap. When I was building some of my structures, I procrastinated about putting lights in them and kept on procrastinating and didn't do it. Now I am kicking myself in the butt. I am going to go back and see if I can do it retroactively. Like you say only I know what is inside the buildings and I had fun doing them, but I would still like to see them.
As to your AP, I have earned merit awards for my sticks in a box projects to count towards my Structures AP. You are required to build 12 structure, at least 6 can be scratchbuilt and rest kits.
Steve
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I have moved the Locomotive build to it's location on the layout and started wiring it for the LED lights. There will be LED flood lights on the pit side of the structure and shop lights on the machine shop side. On the outside of the structure I plan on 5 goose neck lights on the building and another 5 mounted on poles that will light up the salvage yard and loading dock areas. I will then be adding lots of clutter, especially on the outside of the Locomotive Works where there will be a locomotive salvage yard. I'm also adding LED lighting to the Stone Roundhouse at the same time. I too, procrastinated. ;) :-[
I would encourage you to go back and light up your structures - I think it really adds to the realism - especially when you have taken the time and effort to add interior detail. Although, I usually have removable roofs on the structures I build with interior detail - I want the detail to be visible when the roof is on. Just the way I roll, as they say. I consider the removable roof as a maintenance feature.
I will shoot a couple progress photographs this afternoon, or tomorrow morning, so I can post a few pictures. I'm in the middle of adding more lighting to the room and I had to move all the structures off the layout again to safely make that happen before I permanently plant them on the layout.
Here are a few progress pictures from this week. First here is the boiler for the Locomotive Works on the work bench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140418230812.jpeg)
And here is the boiler installed behind the Locomotive Works - all the detailing will be done with the structure on the layout. Final painting and weathering and adding all those detail castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140418230656.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-140418230623.jpeg)
Pretty darn neat, it'll be interesting to see how you weather it.
Amazing. All I have to say.
John,
Nice job on the boiler, it looks like there will be a flickering fire in its depths if the wires are any indication. I agree with Lynnb, it will be interesting to see your approach to weathering it. One observation and hence a comment, I believe your whistle is upside down, it looks to me the sound chambers are on the bottom and the pivot point for the pull lever is reversed. But, I could be wrong. None the less it is a great addition to the engine house.
Bob
Quote from: Lynnb on April 14, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Pretty darn neat, it'll be interesting to see how you weather it.
Lynn
Thanks for stopping by the thread - I have to complete a wiring project and then I'm going to get started on weathering and detailing this build and the Mackenzie build which I have also moved to the layout.
Quote from: RWL on April 15, 2018, 06:47:34 AM
John,
Nice job on the boiler, it looks like there will be a flickering fire in its depths if the wires are any indication. I agree with Lynnb, it will be interesting to see your approach to weathering it. One observation and hence a comment, I believe your whistle is upside down, it looks to me the sound chambers are on the bottom and the pivot point for the pull lever is reversed. But, I could be wrong. None the less it is a great addition to the engine house.
Bob
Bob
Thanks for stopping by the thread. Yes - I mounted a red LED in the boiler before I glued it in place. I have a access hole from underneath.
You are correct about the whistle - thank you for pointing it out. I don't have any idea how that happened. :-[ I added it to my fix list.
I fixed the steam whistle first thing this morning. It's clamped in place until the glue dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150418172038.jpeg)
For the last couple of days I've been adding more lighting above the layout. I wanted to get this job out of the way before I permanently mount the structures in this area. I'm adding 18 more LED flood lights.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150418172139.jpeg)
I wonder if the whistle for a mill/engine would be mounted -outside- the boiler building. I can think of 2 reasons for this:
1. Easier for the everyone to hear it
2. A LOT easier on the ears of the boiler engineers :-)
dave
Quote from: deemery on April 15, 2018, 05:37:48 PM
I wonder if the whistle for a mill/engine would be mounted -outside- the boiler building. I can think of 2 reasons for this:
1. Easier for the everyone to hear it
2. A LOT easier on the ears of the boiler engineers :-)
dave
Dave
On the S&S RR the steam whistle is used to signal other facilities on the sprawling Eagles Nest complex. Especially important, lunch and end of the shift.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 16, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
...
Dave
On the S&S RR the steam whistle is used to signal other facilities on the sprawling Eagles Nest complex. Especially important, lunch and end of the shift.
That's what I figured it was for, and why I thought it should be mounted outside of the building so everyone can hear. It's my recollection that steam sawmills had whistles for the same reason (plus to alarm everyone in case of fire, a common occurrence in sawmills!)
dave
John....
Even your construction photos with a ladder in it show what a cool RR you are building.
Thanx
Bob
Quote from: deemery on April 16, 2018, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 16, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
...
Dave
On the S&S RR the steam whistle is used to signal other facilities on the sprawling Eagles Nest complex. Especially important, lunch and end of the shift.
That's what I figured it was for, and why I thought it should be mounted outside of the building so everyone can hear. It's my recollection that steam sawmills had whistles for the same reason (plus to alarm everyone in case of fire, a common occurrence in sawmills!)
dave
My time frame is 1949 so the only electronic communications would have been a telegraph in the mountains. After having my Grandson's here for the weekend, last weekend, I may just find another use for a steam whistle. It involves light screens and fingers reaching in where they are not welcome. Just a thought. I'm actually looking into a button activated steam whistle for the boiler that the kids can push. If I remember correctly Slim has just what I need. ;)
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 11:44:58 AM
John....
Even your construction photos with a ladder in it show what a cool RR you are building.
Thanx
Bob
Bob
Thanks for the complement. It should also be noted that the bump hat on top of the ladder is one of the most important tools when working both above and below the layout. That bump hat has a number of scares that I would have had on my head.
That picture was taken with circuit 3 turned off. My layout room has 4 - 20 amp power circuits in an auxiliary box so I can turn off the power when I'm working on it without turning the power off for the rest of the house. The boss and CFO of the S&S RR likes that feature. When I designed it LED lights were not available, I could power the whole thing with one now - but it is nice to be able to turn off 25 % of the lights when I'm working on it.
John...
I know that LED strips will not operate off of a common zero up rheostat. But they can be dimmed with a timer device that runs a variable on - off ratio. Like a 555 timer chip up to a darlington pair transistor that will take the current load.
Have you considered something like that for a dusk setting?
Thus thinkin' out loud...
see ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 03:58:42 PM
John...
I know that LED strips will not operate off of a common zero up rheostat. But they can be dimmed with a timer device that runs a variable on - off ratio. Like a 555 timer chip up to a darlington pair transistor that will take the current load.
Have you considered something like that for a dusk setting?
Thus thinkin' out loud...
see ya
Bob
The LED lamps that I'm using are supposed to be dimmable but I haven't tried it yet. I'm not using the LED strips but replacing my incandescent lamps with LED lamps. I like having the option of putting the light right where I want it. It should be easy to implement your idea - just replace my switch with the proper dimming switch. A future project. ;)
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 03:58:42 PM
John...
I know that LED strips will not operate off of a common zero up rheostat. But they can be dimmed with a timer device that runs a variable on - off ratio. Like a 555 timer chip up to a darlington pair transistor that will take the current load.
Have you considered something like that for a dusk setting?
Thus thinkin' out loud...
see ya
Bob
For strip LED lights there are a lot of neat solutions. Take this item for example: https://www.flexfireleds.com/juno-bluetooth-smartphone-single-color-led-dimmer/ (https://www.flexfireleds.com/juno-bluetooth-smartphone-single-color-led-dimmer/)
If you're using LED floodlights that screw into regular 110V bulb sockets then dimable versions of the LED floods coupled with a LED compatible dimmer will work.
-slim
Somehow I knew slim would have a answer.
Thanx
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 05:40:02 PM
Somehow I knew slim would have a answer.
Thanx
Slim has lots of answers.
Quote from: S&S RR on April 17, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 05:40:02 PM
Somehow I knew slim would have a answer.
Thanx
Slim has lots of answers.
Some of them are even correct. ;)
dave
Wow Dave ! ! ! !
Ya really know how to hurt a guy.
thanx......... I think
Bob
Quote from: deemery on April 17, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 17, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 05:40:02 PM
Somehow I knew slim would have a answer.
Thanx
Slim has lots of answers.
Some of them are even correct. ;)
dave
Ouch! Slim has lots of good correct answers. My fault for being brief. ;)
No apologies Dave.
That was really funny.
See ya
Bob
Quote from: deemery on April 17, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 17, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 05:40:02 PM
Somehow I knew slim would have a answer.
Thanx
Slim has lots of answers.
Some of them are even correct. ;)
dave
Like the broken clock that's right twice a day.
-slim
Hey John:
Looks great so far. Nice job on the boiler.
Karl
Quote from: Slim Jerkins on April 18, 2018, 09:01:37 AM
Quote from: deemery on April 17, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 17, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: bparrish on April 16, 2018, 05:40:02 PM
Somehow I knew slim would have a answer.
Thanx
Slim has lots of answers.
Some of them are even correct. ;)
dave
Like the broken clock that's right twice a day.
-slim
;) ;D
Slim I'm working on an order for the sound circuits we talked about. I will be getting in contact with you with questions.
Quote from: postalkarl on April 18, 2018, 04:37:26 PM
Hey John:
Looks great so far. Nice job on the boiler.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the compliments. I completed my lighting project today so I can get back on mounting these latest builds on my layout and doing the final detail work. I like doing the final weathering and detailing with the models in place on the layout.
Hi John:
Waiting to see more as always.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on April 19, 2018, 07:42:44 AM
Hi John:
Waiting to see more as always.
Karl
Thanks for stopping by Karl. I'm in the middle of a lighting project - I'm replacing all of my lighting on the layout with LED's. It's been one of those projects that just keeps going - I liked it so much in the one area that I decided to go for it with all the lighting. It will be a few weeks before I can get everything back in place and take some new pictures. It's going to be time to get the SLR our and take some nice progress pictures. In short, I'm adding new LED flood lights in the valance, replacing all the incandescent and florescent bulbs with LED's. The day light bulbs make all the colors in the rock work, the trees and the structures really pop. I'm real anxious to see how the SLR captures what I see with my eyes. As they say, stay tuned.
Update: The lighting project has been completed. I have 7 builds that need to be permanently mounted to the layout and the final detailing, weathering, and scenery completed around them. This is the best part for me, seeing what the structure builds look like on the layout. I will spending a few days taking pictures after this phase is completed. When my back needs some time at the workbench, I will be getting started on my next two builds, the FSM Fox Run and Sewall's Foundry. I will taking a few pictures with my phone of the installation process as things move along.
Good news on the lighting, that's one project where you can see the difference :-)
Keep the photos coming.
dave
Quote from: deemery on April 22, 2018, 11:00:33 AM
Good news on the lighting, that's one project where you can see the difference :-)
Keep the photos coming.
dave
Dave
Thank you for stopping by the thread. Yes - it's good to have a project where you can see the difference. I'll keep the pictures coming.
The next generation of Engineers is starting to take over on the Superior & Seattle. Running trains is serious business.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260418075618.jpeg)
Good morning all. Great picture Dave. He looks like he knows what he knows what he's doing as opposed to many of the rest of us. Have a great day.
Got the stitches out of my hand and work will continue outdoors and in the train room. Jim
Quote from: S&S RR on April 26, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
The next generation of Engineers is starting to take over on the Superior & Seattle. Running trains is serious business.
Future OPSIG member to be sure.
Vince
He sure looks serious about the trains. Great picture.
Great pic, John...I'm 50 and I'd have a hard time resisting playing with all of those switches ;D
Quote from: jrmueller on April 26, 2018, 08:20:07 AM
Good morning all. Great picture Dave. He looks like he knows what he knows what he's doing as opposed to many of the rest of us. Have a great day.
Got the stitches out of my hand and work will continue outdoors and in the train room. Jim
Jim thanks for stopping by the thread.
He watched Grandpa run the train and change the speed - I let him press the horn and bell buttons and he knew which ones he had to push the next time. I handed him the throttle and he just took over. Amazing how quickly they understand technology.
Quote from: vinceg on April 26, 2018, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 26, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
The next generation of Engineers is starting to take over on the Superior & Seattle. Running trains is serious business.
Future OPSIG member to be sure.
Vince
Vince
Thanks for stopping by - It will be interesting to see if the trains keep his interest. He sure like them now.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 26, 2018, 10:18:25 AM
He sure looks serious about the trains. Great picture.
Curt
Thanks - I'm having a great time with him and the layout. Everything is new and exciting when your 2.
Quote from: Cuse on April 26, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
Great pic, John...I'm 50 and I'd have a hard time resisting playing with all of those switches ;D
John
Thanks for stopping by - I showed him what the switches do and he told me - "no trains off PaPa" and hasn't played with them since. When he approaches "Greg" speed he looks at me and says too fast.
I was working on the Mackenzie's build today and I just had to take a progress picture of the water in the pond. This is an old slimy mill pond that doesn't see much fresh water. I really like how it's turning out. This is after three coats of water. After the second coat I coated the surface with slime green chalk. When I added the third coat of water I swirled it around and it swirled the chalk into formation that "to me" look just like the slim in a stagnate pond. I will be adding more coats to get the water to the level I'm looking for. Please excuse the dust I was weathering the old railroad ties above this area and the dust was going everywhere.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260418220526.jpeg)
The picture of the pond looks a lot darker once I got it posted on the forum. A better picture will be coming when this build is finished.
The water looks real to me , job well done in the making.
Yuck! It looks perfect. :)
Jeff
Quote from: Janbouli on April 27, 2018, 05:15:47 AM
The water looks real to me , job well done in the making.
Jan
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. It looks a lot better in person than in the picture I took with my iPhone. Maybe it's because my eyes are used to looking through all the dust on my glasses.
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on April 27, 2018, 08:04:54 AM
Yuck! It looks perfect. :)
Jeff
Thanks Jeff - that's the look I was going for.
Really nice modeling John. You nailed the slimey water. Now you need to model the smell!
That is the worst looking pond I have ever seen......you could not pay me enough to jump in to that slimy, stinking, gross water. :o :o :o :o
Good job John.
Jim
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 27, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
Really nice modeling John. You nailed the slimey water. Now you need to model the smell!
Curt
Thanks - I think I will pass on modeling the smell but I would like to find a sound system that has the little frogs that we have here in Michigan. My Grandmother used to call them peepers. One of the first signs of spring.
Quote from: jimmillho on April 27, 2018, 01:46:35 PM
That is the worst looking pond I have ever seen......you could not pay me enough to jump in to that slimy, stinking, gross water. :o :o :o :o
Good job John.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for the kind words, I think. ;) Yeah, I think your right, the days of swimming in the old mill pond are gone.
That's horrible....well done!
John
Quote from: S&S RR on April 26, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
The next generation of Engineers is starting to take over on the Superior & Seattle. Running trains is serious business.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260418075618.jpeg)
Cute, I have a few years before grandson will be running trains.
Nice job on the slime water, wood looks great too.
This week I started the process of permanently mounting some of my recent builds to the layout. The first step is to get the location ready in the benchwork. Lots of shims to get the elevation right and to get everything level. Also, making sure that there is access to the lighting if maintenance is ever required.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224411.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224411.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224316.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224524.jpeg)
If you look down in the hole for the Brambell's build you will see an abandoned line that ran to a hidden yard on my previous layout. I was originally going to keep it for this layout but the maintenance was just to difficult - so I terminated it with this scene.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280418095206.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224605.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224605.jpeg)
The next step is to test all the LED's one more time before access is from under the benchwork. ;) I bought the tester from Slim at the EXPO - great little tool.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224236.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224201.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280418095119.jpeg)
Next step was to add the structures and make sure they were level.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224034.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224127.jpeg)
Once the structures where in place I started to add the land forms to blend them into the other scenery. I start out by filling all the holes with wood, old cards from hotel stays, clay, and paper. This needs to be sealed with thick glue so the thinned glue that I use in the scenery steps don't run out on the floor. I then add a base layer of beach sand. Here are a few build pictures of this process. After the sand glue mixture dries it will be time to add the final scenery materials.
http://Houston we have a problem. I reposted this picture three times and get a blue box with a question mark. When I posted the same picture below it works. ??? ??[/img] (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224745.jpeg%5Bimg)
Just incredible...
Always a pleasure to follow ths thread.
Eric
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224745.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224857.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418224933.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418225010.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-270418225047.jpeg)
Quote from: Lynnb on April 28, 2018, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on April 26, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
The next generation of Engineers is starting to take over on the Superior & Seattle. Running trains is serious business.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260418075618.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260418075618.jpeg)
Cute, I have a few years before grandson will be running trains.
Nice job on the slime water, wood looks great too.
Lynn
Thanks for stopping by my Grandson is going to be 2 on Sunday. He knows buttons and knobs make things happen and does a great job. He watched his brother and Grandpa and just copied what we did.
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 28, 2018, 10:08:46 AM
Just incredible...
Always a pleasure to follow ths thread.
Eric
Eric
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. I hope to be able to take some finished scene photographs of this area this summer.
I just went though the posts I just made and I left out a step. All of the LED's were tested and then I added long lead wires through the benchwork that will connect to a terminal board and power supply. I didn't take a picture. :-[ I will be posting pictures of this process as I power up the Locomotive Works. The next project. ;) :D
Turning into gorgeous scenes John , what a great layout.
Looking fantastic, John!
That dog looks harmless!
Cheers, Mark.
Beautiful modeling John. A joy to view.
ed
Quote from: Janbouli on April 28, 2018, 11:20:02 AM
Turning into gorgeous scenes John , what a great layout.
Jan
Thanks for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on April 29, 2018, 02:34:47 PM
Looking fantastic, John!
That dog looks harmless!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the kind words. I'm learning the importance of elevation change in structure placement. Yes - the dog is the official greeter at Brambell's.
Quote from: engine909 on April 29, 2018, 03:38:41 PM
Beautiful modeling John. A joy to view.
ed
Ed
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words.
John,
WOWSER! Great stuff.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 01, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
John,
WOWSER! Great stuff.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. It's good to see some structures getting installed.
I always have a modeling project that I take with me when I go to the S&S RR Northern Hqtrs. This year I have two - I plan on spending the evenings painting castings and designing the layout for the towns that will be located in two different areas of my layout. This picture is a panoramic view of the first area - the world kinda of bends here but you can get the idea of the view. The mountains and trees (the 3D backdrop) are almost done. The area that will comprise the town is 150 x 75 inches. The town will not be built on the flat plywood base (this is just a starting point) I will be cutting away section to allow ground level to go up and down as the final "design" requires. My design process is to start with photographs and mark them up with different ideas. I use both my iPad and old fashion pencils and hard copy photographs to do this. I then make a scale drawing of the layout plan view or footprint that I use to establish the boundaries as I build each section of the town. My current concept is to actually have two towns separated by a river. The town of VanGelder will be on the South side of the river and the town of Sellios will be on the North side of the river closest to the viewer. At this point I know the original concept for the area has ended up on the cutting room floor (you may remember a discussion of it a few years back in this thread). I know I want more elevation change and the structures will be more kit bashed than originally planned.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040518094009.jpeg)
If you scroll over to the far right in the picture above there is a mountain plateau that will be home to another town served by both both standard and narrow gauge railroads. The area for this town is 60 by 36 inches. This town will be called Gallent and the structures will contain lots of pieces from recent Sierra West Scale Models kits. The structures in all of the towns on the S&S RR will be combinations of pieces from all kit manufactures but the major theme for the three "name sake" towns will be obvious.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-040518093613.jpeg)
So as you can see there will be lots of planning work to do this summer - one of my favorite parts of the hobby.
The tunnel in the picture above is one of the view remaining pieces of my previous layout. It will be covered by the land forms as the design for this town takes place. The picture above sure got dark as it was transformed to fit the forum.
It might be cool if you could come up with some scenic approach to use that tunnel as an abandoned line.
dave
Quote from: deemery on May 04, 2018, 11:01:47 AM
It might be cool if you could come up with some scenic approach to use that tunnel as an abandoned line.
dave
Dave
The thought has crossed my mine but I haven't come up with a way to make it work with the layout for the town. It's on the idea list. Thank you for following along and your input. If you look back a few pages I did do an abandoned line that goes under the Brambell's build. I think this is the only other place that the old layout still shows.
Do it as a landslide that mostly buries the tunnel portal :-)
dave
John.... consider hand laying some derelict track coming out of the tunnel and turning toward the current right of way but not connecting to it. Then model back in the hole a cave in that a visitor really has to hunt for.
On the UP. right of way near a place in eastern Oregon called Lime, the is a tunnel through a hill with two holes on one side and only one on the other. Solution........ the original tunnel caved in 1928 at one end so the dug a new one next to it that is still in service.
There is a orototype for everything.
See ya
Bob
Quote from: deemery on May 04, 2018, 04:35:31 PM
Do it as a landslide that mostly buries the tunnel portal :-)
dave
That is an interesting idea. I need to see how much real-estate is evadable after I lay in the structures I want to add in this area. We are having fun now.
Quote from: bparrish on May 04, 2018, 05:06:26 PM
John.... consider hand laying some derelict track coming out of the tunnel and turning toward the current right of way but not connecting to it. Then model back in the hole a cave in that a visitor really has to hunt for.
On the UP. right of way near a place in eastern Oregon called Lime, the is a tunnel through a hill with two holes on one side and only one on the other. Solution........ the original tunnel caved in 1928 at one end so the dug a new one next to it that is still in service.
There is a orototype for everything.
See ya
Bob
Bob
Another interesting idea. If it stays there will be some very old bent up track work that got rearranged in the landslide. It will all get worked out at the drafting table. Thank you for following along.
Here is a picture of my new favorite tool. I know I have posted pictures of this before but if your doing scenery work with real dirt buy one. It's called a mortar and pestle and it turns sand or dirt that is to coarse for HO scale into nice fine dirt "that looks right" on less than a minute. Here is a before picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050518150925.jpeg)
Here is what it look like after about a minute being ground with the mortar and pestle. It looks so much better on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050518150956.jpeg)
And finally for todays update, here is a progress shot of the dirt being added around my Mackenzie's and Brambell's builds. Lots of details to add but the basic ground form will be done when the glue dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050518151029.jpeg)
We have a design change in progress - the hole in the fence is going to be filled. I was going to have a road running down the hill but decided against it. Small stones will be added to match the talus on the hill after the fence is installed.
I'm building fences today - I have some time in that box full of sticks. I'm ready for some gluing.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100518090758.jpeg)
A few weeks ago, we had a discussion about building a jig to hold the laser cut templates from Rusty Stumps so you can use them upside down for holding joists for gluing. I said I would post some pictures of my jig the next time I used it so here we go.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100518171745.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100518171745.jpeg)
This works great. So much faster and better than using a template under glass. I'm building a small loading dock for my S&S RR Locomotive works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100518171820.jpeg)
Here is a picture with the deck boards drying. This loading dock is longer than the jig so I will glue the joists down to the deck boards in two steps. The third template is just set in the jig for the picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100518171847.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100518171847.jpeg)
Love the town tribute names...structures are looking fantastic in their places.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Quote from: Dave K. on May 11, 2018, 06:37:14 AM
Love the town tribute names...structures are looking fantastic in their places.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dave
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the kind words. I'm enjoying the design work that will setup my structure building schedule for years to come.
Just getting caught up again John.
Beautiful scene love your rock work and details.
Jerry
Quote from: S&S RR on May 05, 2018, 03:13:42 PM
Here is a picture of my new favorite tool. I know I have posted pictures of this before but if your doing scenery work with real dirt buy one.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050518150925.jpeg)
Why do I suddenly have a craving for fresh guacamole?
Quote from: Jerry on May 11, 2018, 12:38:57 PM
Just getting caught up again John.
Beautiful scene love your rock work and details.
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for following along and the kind words. It is amazing how much sand and glue I have gone through finishing up these landforms.
Quote from: Dave K. on May 11, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on May 05, 2018, 03:13:42 PM
Here is a picture of my new favorite tool. I know I have posted pictures of this before but if your doing scenery work with real dirt buy one.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050518150925.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050518150925.jpeg)
Why do I suddenly have a craving for fresh guacamole?
Dave
I don't think this dirt will be the taste your looking for. ;) ;D ;D If you go back a few pages I think I might have had the color right with my pond water.
Raymo's latest for the S&S.
Quote from: Dave K. on May 12, 2018, 08:52:32 AM
Raymo's latest for the S&S.
Dave
I don't think that one would ever make it out of clay studio. It does make me want to use my mortar and pestle. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Good evening - it has been awhile since I did an update post. I have been working on three different areas of the layout doing detailing and scenery. The Brambell's and Mackenzie's builds have been permanently mounted to the layout benchwork. The Locomotive Works has also been placed on the layout and I'm in the process of permanently mount it. This is a slow process, I add a layer of detail, let it rest for a day or two and then go in and add the next layer. I will be at this for a few weeks with all the yard work and house maintenance work I have on my agenda. In a few weeks, we should have lots of pictures to post.
I'm also adding the LED lighting to the Locomotive Works - I will post all the progress pictures as soon as everything is wired up and working.
Hey There:
Looks good so far. Love the pickle car too.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on May 24, 2018, 12:19:08 PM
Hey There:
Looks good so far. Love the pickle car too.
Karl
Thanks Karl
My next four builds are in the holding area. FSM kits, Fox Run, Sewall's, Swakhammer's, and G. Wilikers in that order. It's good to have a plan. Now let's see if I stick to it. ;) :D
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-250518091000.jpeg)
Hey John:
Sounds good to me. I'll be watching for them.
Karl
I will be watching these next builds also.
Jim
Quote from: S&S RR on May 25, 2018, 09:13:02 AM
My next four builds are in the holding area. FSM kits, Fox Run, Sewall's, Swakhammer's, and G. Wilikers in that order. It's good to have a plan. Now let's see if I stick to it. ;) :D
Great choices! Will definitely be watching.
John,
Hey, my friend. At least you can make a decision. I haven't even gotten that far as yet.
Tom ;D
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-250518180308.jpeg)
Quote from: postalkarl on May 25, 2018, 09:47:26 AM
Hey John:
Sounds good to me. I'll be watching for them.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for following along. I'm actually about half way through painting the castings for Fox Run. I want to finish all the detailing for the last four builds now that they are on the layout. Then it will be time to open these yellow boxes.
Quote from: jimmillho on May 25, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
I will be watching these next builds also.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along - as I said above I want to complete the last four builds and then it will be full steam ahead on these.
Quote from: vinceg on May 25, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on May 25, 2018, 09:13:02 AM
My next four builds are in the holding area. FSM kits, Fox Run, Sewall's, Swakhammer's, and G. Wilikers in that order. It's good to have a plan. Now let's see if I stick to it. ;) :D
Great choices! Will definitely be watching.
Vince
Thank you for following along. We will see if I can do justice to these great kits.
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 25, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
John,
Hey, my friend. At least you can make a decision. I haven't even gotten that far as yet.
Tom ;D
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-250518180308.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/24-250518180308.jpeg)
Tom
I love this photograph - I'm not the only one that needs to expand my layout to make room for all the red, yellow, white, green, and a few other color boxes that I've collected over the years. I'm currently going through the process of finding a home on the layout for each one of the kits that I have bought.
Looks like your not going anywhere soon. Those kits will keep you busy for a while. I guess no fishing this summer.
Quote from: S&S RR on May 25, 2018, 07:26:45 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 25, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
John,
Hey, my friend. At least you can make a decision. I haven't even gotten that far as yet.
Tom ;D
Tom
I love this photograph - I'm not the only one that needs to expand my layout to make room for all the red, yellow, white, green, and a few other color boxes that I've collected over the years. I'm currently going through the process of finding a home on the layout for each one of the kits that I have bought.
Haha! You guys are making me feel better. It's an insidious yet sweet disease, no? I am too embarassed to publish my own stockpile. Fortunately, I only recently discovered Sierra West, Bar Mills, and FOS Scale. Else it would be lots "worse!"
Quote from: sdrees on May 25, 2018, 08:04:48 PM
Looks like your not going anywhere soon. Those kits will keep you busy for a while. I guess no fishing this summer.
Steve
I take my modeling with me on my fishing boat. ;) ;D ;D ;D I have a portable workbench that I use at the cabin and out on the boat.
Quote from: vinceg on May 25, 2018, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on May 25, 2018, 07:26:45 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 25, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
John,
Hey, my friend. At least you can make a decision. I haven't even gotten that far as yet.
Tom ;D
Tom
I love this photograph - I'm not the only one that needs to expand my layout to make room for all the red, yellow, white, green, and a few other color boxes that I've collected over the years. I'm currently going through the process of finding a home on the layout for each one of the kits that I have bought.
Haha! You guys are making me feel better. It's an insidious yet sweet disease, no? I am too embarassed to publish my own stockpile. Fortunately, I only recently discovered Sierra West, Bar Mills, and FOS Scale. Else it would be lots "worse!"
Vince
There are a number of us here on the forum that are a little embarrassed about how many kits we have to build. My
answer to those that ask how much I have invested in my layout, is that it cost about the same as 20 years of golfing. I gave up golf when I no longer need to play to maintain business relationships and have been putting all the money I saved into the layout. ;) I sure enjoy model building a lot more than I enjoyed golf.
John,
I agree about the golf and the cost. Although upon retirement from Law Enforcement I worked at a golf course, I got free golf at all local courses. What it did cost me was 5-6 hours an outing of my time. Time, I figured 8 years ago, could be spent on railroad modeling and kit building. I haven't looked back or taken any mulligans. ;D ;D ;D
I'm better stocked than the local Hobby Shop after 50+ years of kit buying and collecting. I realize I'll never get to all the kits I have to build, even with Reading Bob's help.
On the other hand, I can't bring myself to get rid of the kits I won't build either. Yes, as I told my Babe, "I'm a bit of a hoarder".
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 27, 2018, 09:00:06 AM
John,
I agree about the golf and the cost. Although upon retirement from Law Enforcement I worked at a golf course, I got free golf at all local courses. What it did cost me was 5-6 hours an outing of my time. Time, I figured 8 years ago, could be spent on railroad modeling and kit building. I haven't looked back or taken any mulligans. ;D ;D ;D
I'm better stocked than the local Hobby Shop after 50+ years of kit buying and collecting. I realize I'll never get to all the kits I have to build, even with Reading Bob's help.
On the other hand, I can't bring myself to get rid of the kits I won't build either. Yes, as I told my Babe, "I'm a bit of a hoarder".
Tom ;D
Tom
I have the same problem. Last count, I had 55 yellow boxes, 8 red boxes, and most of the the SWSM releases. I also bought the seaside releases of Doug Foscale's, a number of the bar mills releases and one or two kits from each of the other kit manufactures that caught my eye. I must be somewhere close to the 200 mark. One of my design projects is to figure out where each of my current kits will be places on the layout. I'm sure that some of them will not find a home and be sold. I'm also sure that many of the kits will be used as a box full of parts or combined and the end product will be a very kit bashed structure.
I also have an expansion planned for the layout but it is many years off. I will complete the current layout space before going through the wall or removing the wall ;)
The new area will be 90 % scratch built if my current plan holds.
Today, I completed the LED wiring for the interior of the Locomotive Works. I'm using Slim's LightBite articles as a guide for this so I thought I would explain my application using his terminology. Slim uses a bookcase analogy to explain his wiring technique.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518200429.jpeg)
I'm using an 18 volt power supply and setup the interior lighting of the Locomotive works as three shelves in the bookcase using Slim's analogy. Here is a picture of the shelves when they were on my workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518200540.jpeg)
The one closest to us is the short 3 shop lamp shelf. The one farther away has 5- 5mm flood LED's and will be installed in the locomotive repair area over the inspection pits. I need clearance for the crane in this area so shop lights would not work.
Here is a picture of the lighting installed in the Locomotive works. I decided to add the current limiters into the circuit right in the beams. Here you can see three book shelves - the wiring will run through the drain pipes for the roof down underneath the build to a drawer which will house the connections and the switches that will control the lighting.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202205.jpeg)
The wires and wood supports will be painted black, now that I have an assembly picture so that will not be visible in the finished model.
The next step was to cut the hole in the facia for the wire connection box.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518205318.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518205345.jpeg)
Fast Forward. I built the little drawer, painted it black and installed the switches.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518210351.jpeg)
The purpose of making this a drawer is to make expansion and maintenance, easy. This junction box will house all the connections for all the structures in the Eagles Nest Yard. The LED's will be controlled by seven switches.
Switch 1) Inside Locomotive Works Lights
Switch 2) Outside Locomotive Works Lights
Switch 3) Outside Scrap Yard Lights
Switch 4) Roundhouse Lights
Switch 5) Future Builds
Switch 6) Future Builds
Switch 7) Future Builds
There is plenty of space and power supply capacity for future expansion in this area. I will also be talking to Slim about some sound affects.
I took a few pictures of the wiring progress.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202837.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202752.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202714.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202641.jpeg)
One more point before I move on to the lightup photographs. While I had the benchwork still open I pulled the wires I will need for the 8 - 10 structures that will built for the industrial area at the back of the Eagles Next Yard. I read somewhere that John Allen used to pull the wires for his layout expansions 10 years ahead so he wouldn't have to fish them through the benchwork.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202911.jpeg)
I will be back in a little while with the light-up photographs.
Late this afternoon, I got everything wired for the interior lights of the locomotive works. I threw switch number one and we had light.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202405.jpeg)
I will be painting the wires so they will not be visible when the roof is on the building.
Here are a couple quick - cell phone pictures - with the roof on the structure. The LED's really light up the shop - just right to my eye. The interior details will all be visible.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202320.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518202132.jpeg)
You may notice a few more outside details since my last update photographs.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-310518213048.jpeg)
Hi John,
Did you solder the leads to the LED's or did you buy them that way. If so, where did you get them?
Your layout is coming along very nicely.
Quote from: sdrees on May 31, 2018, 10:46:43 PM
Hi John,
Did you solder the leads to the LED's or did you buy them that way. If so, where did you get them?
Your layout is coming along very nicely.
Steve
The leads were already on these LED's - I soldered them to the copper tape to complete the circuit. I bought all the supplies for this project from Slim at Microlumina. Check out his website at www.microlumina.com (http://www.microlumina.com)
The next step on this lighting project is to install the outside Goose Neck lights on the building and light poles in the yard.
Nice job on the lighting and wiring.
There's no such thing as "too much organization" when it comes to wiring.
dave
Splendid John , looks very neatly organized a major plus in electrification.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 01, 2018, 10:05:56 AM
Nice job on the lighting and wiring.
Curt
Thanks for stopping by the thread - it was nice to have some progress to report.
Quote from: deemery on June 01, 2018, 12:32:51 PM
There's no such thing as "too much organization" when it comes to wiring.
dave
Dave
I couldn't agree more - I take pictures and keep log books so I can go back later and figure out what I did and how to either fix it or expand.
Quote from: Janbouli on June 01, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
Splendid John , looks very neatly organized a major plus in electrification.
Jan
Thanks for stoping by and the kind words. There is going to be a lot of wires in that little drawer before all of the LED's that are planed for this area are operational.
As I was turning out the lights tonight, I took this picture of the second shift operations at the Locomotive Works.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010618192632.jpeg)
Quote from: S&S RR on June 01, 2018, 07:48:05 PM
As I was turning out the lights tonight, I took this picture of the second shift operations at the Locomotive Works.
That's a great shot, John.
The scaffolding on the outside really finishes telling the story.
dave
Quote from: vinceg on June 01, 2018, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on June 01, 2018, 07:48:05 PM
As I was turning out the lights tonight, I took this picture of the second shift operations at the Locomotive Works.
That's a great shot, John.
Vince
Thanks,
Quote from: deemery on June 01, 2018, 08:24:10 PM
The scaffolding on the outside really finishes telling the story.
dave
Dave
Thank you, I'm almost to the point where I can start putting the final details on this scene. I have the stone pile and the brick pile and the figures that will complete the construction scene. Around the side of the building will be the scrap yard where the locomotives that can no longer be repaired will meet their fate. I need to build a crane for this area. I also need to build a coal bin that feeds the boiler and a wood pile that feeds the pot belly stoves that keep the locomotive works warm in the winter. This has been a big project.
I spent a few hours today installing goose neck lamps on the outside of the Locomotive Works. The wires are sooo thin. It is challenging work but so worth it. I will take some more pictures when I get them all installed and powered up.
Hi John,
I've been away from the forum and the hobby for the last few months. Just finally catching up on the latest. You have been busy! This is mighty impressive!!!!
Quote from: Bobby on June 03, 2018, 02:00:05 PM
Hi John,
I've been away from the forum and the hobby for the last few months. Just finally catching up on the latest. You have been busy! This is mighty impressive!!!!
Bobby
Thanks for the kind words and welcome back. I hope you where away for a good reason. Are you planning on attending the NG convention or the EXPO this year?
It is a joy to see your incredible modeling. Thank you kindly for sharing. Many are appreciative.
ed
Quote from: engine909 on June 03, 2018, 05:13:07 PM
It is a joy to see your incredible modeling. Thank you kindly for sharing. Many are appreciative.
ed
Ed
Thank you so much for the kind words.
Looking fantastic, John! Truly a show stopper of a scene!
Cheers, Mark.
Very very nice John! A bit of Winston O Link I think.................
Mike
Quote from: mark dalrymple on June 04, 2018, 01:09:34 AM
Looking fantastic, John! Truly a show stopper of a scene!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the complements. As soon as I get the LED lights finished, I will be adding the final details.
Quote from: madharry on June 04, 2018, 06:55:26 AM
Very very nice John! A bit of Winston O Link I think.................
Mike
Mike
Thank you for the kind words. We will see what we can do with the camera when I get the scene complete.
I finished the lighting for the Locomotive Works, yesterday. I'm going to be working on the finish detailing now. For the next few weeks I plan on working on detailing and scenery and then spending a day taking pictures. About mid summer, I will be starting a new batch of structure builds for the industrial area of the Eagles Nest Yard. So, we have a plan and it's time to get going on implementing it.
Here is a picture of the Locomotive Works with the LED's on and the room lights off. Now for all the outside details. I also have gooseneck lamps mounted on the front of the building.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-070618150843.jpeg)
Wow, that's a striking scene. Love the lighting including the glow in the furnace. Very nice!
Great scene John!!
John
Top notch John , magnificent.
Excellent job John. Really top notch.
Quote from: vinceg on June 07, 2018, 03:34:08 PM
Wow, that's a striking scene. Love the lighting including the glow in the furnace. Very nice!
Vince
Thank you - I'm looking forward to putting the details in the yard.
Quote from: Janbouli on June 07, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
Top notch John , magnificent.
Jan
Thank you for the kind words.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 07, 2018, 05:22:39 PM
Excellent job John. Really top notch.
Curt
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. This build is getting close.
I spent most of the day doing some design and material purchasing work for a scratch build project that is a few years off yet. I wanted to make sure I had what I needed from Monster Model Works to complete the project. Jimmy is selling his business and it's unclear if his wonderful brick and stone walls will be available in the future. It was a bit of a side track but needed to be done.
John absolutely beautiful!!
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on June 09, 2018, 12:09:38 AM
John absolutely beautiful!!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the kind and inspiring words.
Hi John:
WOW!!!! now that is so cool. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on June 10, 2018, 10:15:05 AM
Hi John:
WOW!!!! now that is so cool. Can't wait to see more.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for the kind words and inspiration. I'm working on it now, just stopped in the forum while I have a cup of coffee. I'm building a crane for the scrap yard beside the Locomotive Works. You will recognize it as the crane from Sewall's. Maybe, I will have something to take a progress picture of, this evening.
Tonight, a couple progress pictures. First, I've been working on a crane for the scrap yard of the Locomotive Works. While I was waiting for the glue to dry, I prepared the castings for the upcoming FSM Sewall's Foundry build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110618211856.jpeg)
FSM castings in the paint booth - a new build can't be far behind.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-110618211930.jpeg)
Edited this post 6/12/18 original post had the wrong picture. :-[
I have been spending the last few days switching between scenery work and putting the finishing touches on the Locomotive Works. I'm taking progress pictures as a go and will post them when I get time to process them. At this point we have a number of areas that are under construction.
John,
Lots of great stuff going on the S&S RR these days. You are the casting king for sure.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 17, 2018, 09:41:19 AM
John,
Lots of great stuff going on the S&S RR these days. You are the casting king for sure.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by. I have castings everywhere - waiting for final paint and weathering. It is all about the details.
Update: My layout time has been coming in a couple hours here and a couple hours there the last few weeks - lots of summer time activities. I have been working on the scenery and details around the builds from last winter that are now mounted on the layout. I have also been working on the design and plans for future builds in my travels. Photographs to follow - in a few weeks. It's summer time. ;)
Checking in to see if the thread is still here after the "database error". Seems to be all here.
Update: The past few weeks have found me enjoying the summer weather with family and friends. My layout time has been limited to a few hours here and there. I have decided to do a side project and add drawers to my workbench to hold all the scratch building supples I have stored in boxes under the layout. It's a great summer time project when I don't have long periods of time to work on the layout. I'll take some pictures when I have it completed.
John,
Sometimes it's just good to take a break and one with the family is the best kind.
Looking forward to your updates.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 09, 2018, 10:08:46 AM
John,
Sometimes it's just good to take a break and one with the family is the best kind.
Looking forward to your updates.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by - yes time with the family is very important. My Grandson and I took a 6 mile walk along the lake shore this morning.
I took a couple progress pictures of the projects I've been working on for the layout. First, I extended the benchwork in the waterfront area. This adds about 2 feet by 4 feet for more waterfront structures. As with all of the other areas of the layout, the plywood can be removed with a few screws and serves as the baseboard for the structures. The plywood footprint becomes the design footprint for the structures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160718172151.jpeg)
I'm also working on painting and weathering detail castings. Here is a few castings that will be placed in the scrap yard beside the Locomotive Works. I started by placing the castings in acid to etch them black, I then use three different shades of rust chalk to finish the coloring process.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-160718173020.jpeg)
Quote from: S&S RR on July 16, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
I took a couple progress pictures of the projects I've been working on for the layout. First, I extended the benchwork in the waterfront area. This adds about 2 feet by 4 feet for more waterfront structures. As with all of the other areas of the layout, the plywood can be removed with a few screws and serves as the baseboard for the structures. The plywood footprint becomes the design footprint for the structures.
Beautiful rock work. Reminiscent of the old Gorre and Daphetid.
I love majestic rock faces. Somebody remind me again why I'm modeling the Illinois Central, Chicago District?
Great looking modeling.
Quote from: vinceg on July 16, 2018, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 16, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
I took a couple progress pictures of the projects I've been working on for the layout. First, I extended the benchwork in the waterfront area. This adds about 2 feet by 4 feet for more waterfront structures. As with all of the other areas of the layout, the plywood can be removed with a few screws and serves as the baseboard for the structures. The plywood footprint becomes the design footprint for the structures.
Beautiful rock work. Reminiscent of the old Gorre and Daphetid.
I love majestic rock faces. Somebody remind me again why I'm modeling the Illinois Central, Chicago District?
Vince
Thank you for the kind words - as a student of John Allen's work I appreciate the reference to the Gorre & Daphetid. The rock work in this area has the base acrylic paint and will look even better when their detailed. I have some modifications to make and a trestle to install for the Narrow Gauge line. The workbench project has but me in the woodworking mood, so I'm completing some of the benchwork modifications while I have the tools out.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 16, 2018, 06:34:57 PM
Great looking modeling.
Curt
Thank you for the kind words. I hope to have more progress to report later in the summer.
Update: I have been away from the layout for the past couple weeks. We were blessed with our first Granddaughter and Grandma and Grandpa were helping out watching our Grandson. I came back to about a dozen projects in various phases of completion. I will be working my way through the list in the coming days and posting pictures as I complete them. First up, completing the drawers in my workbench so I can clean up my workbenches.
Can't wait to see the pictures....
Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on July 28, 2018, 07:19:41 AM
Can't wait to see the pictures....
Eric
Eric
Thanks for following along. I will post a picture of the workbench project this evening.
I completed the workbench project today. ;D This is the same rolling workbench that you have seen in the pictures on this thread. I added 11 heavy duty drawers - 3/4 inch pine, with 100 lb. ball bearing slides. The plan is to have all of my building materials, scratch building supplies, etc. all in one place. So I don't spend half my time looking under the layout. The drawers on the left side are 25 inches deep (so I can store the clapboard I got from George Sellios and the special stone and brick sections I had made by Monster Models). The drawers on the right are 18 inches deep.
Most of my buildups are done on this bench and then I move them to my other workbench for detailing. I also incorporated a sewing cabinet that my Dad made for my Mother into the upper left. It is 60 or 70 years old but is very functional.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280718215654.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280718215654.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-280718221847.jpeg)
Tomorrow, I will be loading it up and getting it ready for the next build. FSM 295, Fox Run Milling.
Quote from: S&S RR on July 27, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Update: I have been away from the layout for the past couple weeks. We were blessed with our first Granddaughter and Grandma and Grandpa were helping out watching our Grandson. I came back to about a dozen projects in various phases of completion. I will be working my way through the list in the coming days and posting pictures as I complete them. First up, completing the drawers in my workbench so I can clean up my workbenches.
John,
Congratulations on your first Grand Daughter ! :)
Thanks for sharing all the layout updates, your organization skills, and know your open house next year will be a big hit !
Tommy
That is really great how you included your dad's cabinetry into yours. They'll always be looking over your shoulder as you work! Your thread continues to inspire.
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on July 28, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 27, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Update: I have been away from the layout for the past couple weeks. We were blessed with our first Granddaughter and Grandma and Grandpa were helping out watching our Grandson. I came back to about a dozen projects in various phases of completion. I will be working my way through the list in the coming days and posting pictures as I complete them. First up, completing the drawers in my workbench so I can clean up my workbenches.
John,
Congratulations on your first Grand Daughter ! :)
Thanks for sharing all the layout updates, your organization skills, and know your open house next year will be a big hit !
Tommy
Tommy
Thanks - I'm enjoying being a Grandpa. Also, thanks for stopping by to see what I'm up too.
Quote from: Dave K. on July 29, 2018, 06:46:36 AM
That is really great how you included your dad's cabinetry into yours. They'll always be looking over your shoulder as you work! Your thread continues to inspire.
Dave
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I also use a lot of my Dad's tools when I'm modeling.
Nice job on the cabinet, John. In an earlier picture, you have a set of finger drills. Are those the ones from Micro-Mark? How do you like them? Are the bits easy to change out?
Jeff
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on July 29, 2018, 08:36:21 AM
Nice job on the cabinet, John. In an earlier picture, you have a set of finger drills. Are those the ones from Micro-Mark? How do you like them? Are the bits easy to change out?
Jeff
Jeff
I have a set of finger drills that I mounted in a wood block to protect the drills. I think they are the ones you are referring to. Yes they are from Micro-Mark - they come permanently mounted in a holder so if you break the drill your buying the holder again, too. :( I really like them for the 60-80 size drills. Easy to use and your not spending all your time picking the little drill bit up off the floor trying to mount it in a holder. Yes, I have a magnet to help find them under the workbench. For drills larger than 60 I prefer to use the collet. Let me know if this answers your questions.
Thanks, John. Those are the one's I'm referring to. I do tend to break the smaller (#70s) size bits. I think I'll get several pin vises for them, rather than change out the bits each time.
Jeff
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on July 29, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
Thanks, John. Those are the one's I'm referring to. I do tend to break the smaller (#70s) size bits. I think I'll get several pin vises for them, rather than change out the bits each time.
Jeff
That will work but it's hard to find pin vises that will close small enough to handle the 70-80 size
bits.
I used to break small drill bits all the time, particularly #79 for grabirons, etc. Craig Bisgeier clued me into a pistol grip handheld rechargeable low RPM screwdriver. To go with that, I bought a bunch of the Micro-Mark hex shank micro drill chucks. (I tried "train show tool booth" versions, but they're not sufficiently accurate/true. Pay the $ for Micro-Mark quality, and note you get a discount if you order more than 3.) I also buy good quality bits in bulk from Amazon. I push the bit into beeswax every 6-8 cuts (should do this more frequently, but I get lazy :-) )
I now have 10 of these chucks, with the most common sizes of bits "permanently" clamped into them. I went from breaking 2 bits/model to 1 bit/every 3 models or so (depending on how hard the resin is, old Westerfield kits used tough resin, and drilling into PC boards also dulls the bits quickly.)
dave
Quote from: deemery on July 29, 2018, 04:31:13 PM
I used to break small drill bits all the time, particularly #79 for grabirons, etc. Craig Bisgeier clued me into a pistol grip handheld rechargeable low RPM screwdriver. To go with that, I bought a bunch of the Micro-Mark hex shank micro drill chucks. (I tried "train show tool booth" versions, but they're not sufficiently accurate/true. Pay the $ for Micro-Mark quality, and note you get a discount if you order more than 3.) I also buy good quality bits in bulk from Amazon. I push the bit into beeswax every 6-8 cuts (should do this more frequently, but I get lazy :-) )
I now have 10 of these chucks, with the most common sizes of bits "permanently" clamped into them. I went from breaking 2 bits/model to 1 bit/every 3 models or so (depending on how hard the resin is, old Westerfield kits used tough resin, and drilling into PC boards also dulls the bits quickly.)
dave
Dave
Thank you for passing along your technique. I find I'm better off using my fingers when it comes to the small drill bits. I do go through them. I buy them by the dozen.
John,
I love the new work bench and all the drawers.
The "drawers" word reminded me of an incident I was involved in while working on the police department.
I was dispatched to an office where an overnight burglary occurred. At the time, I was working as the CSI guy. The office had three women at their respective desks all of which were pried open and ransacked.
I approached the first desk and said to the secretary, "I'll need you to move so I can inspect your drawers." She simply said, "Should I leave them on or take them off?"
We all looked at each other and burst out laughing. True story. Oh, by the way, I only touched the deck drawers.
Being in law enforcement sure had it's fun at times.
Tom ;D
I got it on video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5X8l-0sUF0
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 30, 2018, 06:43:51 PM
John,
I love the new work bench and all the drawers.
The "drawers" word reminded me of an incident I was involved in while working on the police department.
I was dispatched to an office where an overnight burglary occurred. At the time, I was working as the CSI guy. The office had three women at their respective desks all of which were pried open and ransacked.
I approached the first desk and said to the secretary, "I'll need you to move so I can inspect your drawers." She simply said, "Should I leave them on or take them off?"
We all looked at each other and burst out laughing. True story. Oh, by the way, I only touched the deck drawers.
Being in law enforcement sure had it's fun at times.
Tom ;D
Great story Tom. It's great to be retired and be able to laugh about these stories. The workbench will hopefully help with my modeling efficiency. I'm so tied of spending time looking for stuff.
Quote from: S&S RR on July 30, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 30, 2018, 06:43:51 PM
John,
I love the new work bench and all the drawers.
The "drawers" word reminded me of an incident I was involved in while working on the police department.
I was dispatched to an office where an overnight burglary occurred. At the time, I was working as the CSI guy. The office had three women at their respective desks all of which were pried open and ransacked.
I approached the first desk and said to the secretary, "I'll need you to move so I can inspect your drawers." She simply said, "Should I leave them on or take them off?"
We all looked at each other and burst out laughing. True story. Oh, by the way, I only touched the deck drawers.
Being in law enforcement sure had it's fun at times.
Tom ;D
Great story Tom. It's great to be retired and be able to laugh about these stories. The workbench will hopefully help with my modeling efficiency. I'm so tied of spending time looking for stuff.
John,
Wait 'til you get to be my age. You'll get tired of forgetting which thing you've lost/misplaced that you were looking for.
Quote from: BandOGuy on July 30, 2018, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 30, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on July 30, 2018, 06:43:51 PM
John,
I love the new work bench and all the drawers.
The "drawers" word reminded me of an incident I was involved in while working on the police department.
I was dispatched to an office where an overnight burglary occurred. At the time, I was working as the CSI guy. The office had three women at their respective desks all of which were pried open and ransacked.
I approached the first desk and said to the secretary, "I'll need you to move so I can inspect your drawers." She simply said, "Should I leave them on or take them off?"
We all looked at each other and burst out laughing. True story. Oh, by the way, I only touched the deck drawers.
Being in law enforcement sure had it's fun at times.
Tom ;D
Great story Tom. It's great to be retired and be able to laugh about these stories. The workbench will hopefully help with my modeling efficiency. I'm so tied of spending time looking for stuff.
John,
Wait 'til you get to be my age. You'll get tired of forgetting which thing you've lost/misplaced that you were looking for.
Trust me it is already and issue with me, now.
My biggest problem is my inability to put my damn tools away when I'm done with them. I'd pay someone to follow me around and pick up stuff. :-)
dave
Quote from: deemery on August 01, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
My biggest problem is my inability to put my damn tools away when I'm done with them. I'd pay someone to follow me around and pick up stuff. :-)
dave
Yup, I understand.
Well, the tools and materials are all put away in the new and improved workbench. It's ready for my next build project. But first, I'm going to finish all the detailing and layout scenery around the builds from last winter. Like I said a few days ago, I came back to about a dozen unfinished projects.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-010818161610.jpeg)
Now that's what I call organized!!
Bet you can't find anything now that is so neat!! :)
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on August 04, 2018, 12:04:06 PM
Now that's what I call organized!!
Bet you can't find anything now that is so neat!! :)
Jerry
Jerry
Thanks for stoping by - actually the new organization of my tools and supplies is really helping. I still remember where I put stuff. :-[ We will see what happens when I have three builds all going at once.
Yesterday, I made progress on three of the many projects that I have started on the layout. Wayne Olson was over and we worked on scenery. I added the trees to this section of the layout and test planted the church I built a couple of years ago for the forum challenge build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818072156.jpeg)
Here is a second section of the background trees that were added above the town of Sellios.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818072226.jpeg)
We also got started on the rock wall that supports the trackage along this section of the mainline.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818072302.jpeg)
I will also be adding some wood retaining walls in a couple sections to add some variety.
Really nice looking trees and rock work.
Man, that is nice looking. Great work, John.
Fabulous, very impressive as usual...
Eric
Beautiful Aspens!
Great looking scene John. Keep the updates coming.
Jim
So pleasing to the eye (s). John, thank you kindly for sharing.
ed
Quote from: PRR Modeler on August 05, 2018, 09:46:46 AM
Really nice looking trees and rock work.
Curt
Thank you for the kind words. Another couple of work sessions and the background trees will be complete. At least for now - there is always an expansion on the drawing board.
Quote from: vinceg on August 05, 2018, 10:25:42 AM
Man, that is nice looking. Great work, John.
Vince
Thank you for the kind words. Once I get this area complete I will get out the SLR and take some nice pictures that will show the depth of this area.
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 05, 2018, 10:49:10 AM
Fabulous, very impressive as usual...
Eric
Eric
Thank you for your kind words and for following along on this journey.
Quote from: Dave K. on August 05, 2018, 11:49:12 AM
Beautiful Aspens!
David
Thank you. How is your vacation going? I assume your spending a couple weeks in Onekama this year. I may head up there later this week if it cools down.
Quote from: jimmillho on August 05, 2018, 01:28:35 PM
Great looking scene John. Keep the updates coming.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for following along and the kind words. It's good to have some progress to report.
Quote from: engine909 on August 05, 2018, 05:03:14 PM
So pleasing to the eye (s). John, thank you kindly for sharing.
ed
Ed
Thank you for the kind words and it is my pleasure. I hope to have another update later this evening. I've been busy.
John,
Love the trees. Ya'll did a great job in the placement as well. Looking great as usual.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 05, 2018, 05:39:46 PM
John,
Love the trees. Ya'll did a great job in the placement as well. Looking great as usual.
Tom ;D
Thanks Tom. Wayne Olson does the spotting from the aisle while I do the planting. It works great. We sure have planted a lot of trees on this layout.
So, today I started another build. I hit a snag with my design work for the town of Sellios - I need to know exactly where the river is going to run through the scene. On the South side of the River is going to be the town of VanGelder and on the North Side will be the town of Sellios. Bob VanGelders Treadwells Textile is going to be planted in the area where I'm working on the scenery. I needed to assemble the base so I could establish exactly where and start setting up the elevations. So I got out the red box and built the base. I think I may just keep going with this build since I have everything out of the box and on the workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818214753.jpeg)
This is the area where this build will be placed. The siding for the Mill will come off the track at the base of the aspen trees. All of the rest of the elevations will be built down from this point. The river will make it's way to the backwards through culverts under the tracks.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818214822.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818214822.jpeg)
Here is the view as we pan back a little. The plaster will be removed for this Treadwell's baseboard. Originally, I was going to have a roadway running up the mountain side - but as all good model railroaders do - I changed my mind. ;D ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-050818214853.jpeg)
I'm going to need more castings for the pond and spillway than Bob provides in the kit. So my first step with this build is going to be to make some molds of these castings. I really like the big stone castings Bob used for this kit. I can see these castings also being used in a few other places on my layout. I will take some pictures after I remove them from the molds. ::)
Here is a picture of one of the large stone walls that Bob supplies with the kit. As you can see from the picture, I made molds for the retaining pond castings along with the main mill building. I have a kit bashing project in mind for a second set of castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060818190134.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060818190214.jpeg)
In the process of getting the castings out of the mold I managed to break one of them (about 6 pieces). It gave me a chance to try out a new tool purchase. I bought a top for one of my work benches with T - slots. It will serve as my gluing bench. The T - slots have special clamps and jig components that allow me to clamp buildups squarely. I used it for the first time to hold the broken casting. I sure like the way it works - you will be seeing a lot of this in my future builds. It sure is a lot easier than all the weights, squares, and bar clamps. If you look in the top, right, corner of the picture you will see another setup where I started gluing the castings together for the culvert.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060818190249.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-060818190249.jpeg)
I have a cabinet with a plywood top and T-Track, that I use for my machine tools (modeler table saw, drill press, etc.) I use the T Tracks so I can reposition the tools when necessary. I never thought about using that as a clamp setup!
dave
Quote from: deemery on August 06, 2018, 08:15:32 PM
I have a cabinet with a plywood top and T-Track, that I use for my machine tools (modeler table saw, drill press, etc.) I use the T Tracks so I can reposition the tools when necessary. I never thought about using that as a clamp setup!
dave
Dave
It works great and it's a very fast setup.
Looks great, John!
Another one of my favourite kits out on the workbench. Yippee!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on August 06, 2018, 10:45:16 PM
Looks great, John!
Another one of my favourite kits out on the workbench. Yippee!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thanks for stopping by the thread - yes this is one of my favorite kits, too. That's why I decided to pull it ahead in my build sequence. I can also solve some design issues for my future planning.
A question for the forum - has anyone seen a build thread on Treadwell's? Please post a link if you know of one.
Hey John,
Have you check on the old forum.
I think remember that Katty Millat (or an other modelers)
have made Something with this kit...
Eric Quebec city
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 07, 2018, 08:43:36 PM
Hey John,
Have you check on the old forum.
I think remember that Katty Millat (or an other modelers)
have made Something with this kit...
Eric Quebec city
Hmmm finally you will only found a kitbash with this kit realized by mlvarley
Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 07, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 07, 2018, 08:43:36 PM
Hey John,
Have you check on the old forum.
I think remember that Katty Millat (or an other modelers)
have made Something with this kit...
Eric Quebec city
Hmmm finally you will only found a kitbash with this kit realized by mlvarley
Eric
Eric
Thanks for trying - yeah I haven't found anything. I did have a few pictures in my archive of the mlvarley kitbash. If you look around in the thread I did on the F&SM you find that George used the walls from the main structure for a number of different buildings on his layout. I really love the stonework on this.
Mark
Thank you for sending the pictures of the diorama you found on the internet. They will make a great reference for my build. Since I can't find another build thread for this wonderful kit I'm going to start a separate build thread for this project. I will be also posting some progress pictures here on this build thread. I will post a link here when I get things started. As they say stay tuned. I need to take some pictures and get caught up with the build thread.
Quote from: S&S RR on August 07, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
A question for the forum - has anyone seen a build thread on Treadwell's? Please post a link if you know of one.
John,
Kathy Millatt, forum name kathy.millatt did the Treadwell build here on our current forum.
It's very odd that her name no longer appears in the member list. The thread no longer has any photos. Perhaps she has removed or deleted them.
Here is the link - http://modelersforum.com/kit-building/treadwell-and-ware/ (http://modelersforum.com/kit-building/treadwell-and-ware/)
Also, she has many Youtube videos out. Maybe you can contact her.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 08, 2018, 11:53:07 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on August 07, 2018, 08:04:54 PM
A question for the forum - has anyone seen a build thread on Treadwell's? Please post a link if you know of one.
John,
Kathy Millatt, forum name kathy.millatt did the Treadwell build here on our current forum.
It's very odd that her name no longer appears in the member list. The thread no longer has any photos. Perhaps she has removed or deleted them.
Here is the link - http://modelersforum.com/kit-building/treadwell-and-ware/ (http://modelersforum.com/kit-building/treadwell-and-ware/)
Also, she has many Youtube videos out. Maybe you can contact her.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for the input - interesting, I did a search yesterday and this thread didn't pop up. I tried again today after reading your post and it does. I don't know. ::) ??? It wasn't my typing because the search from yesterday was still in the pop down list. I just clicked on it again. I have a link to Kathy's blog and u-tube posts I will check them out this evening. The missing pictures are a shame - not sure what happened.
Thanks again for your help,
John,
You are welcome. Don't know if she removed the photos, I do remember seeing them, or they got lost in the crash when I lost most of mine.
Tom ;D
John,
Kathy's build of Threadwell appears to be in the "NMRA BR Structure challenge" portion of her blog : https://www.kathymillatt.co.uk/blog/category/modelling-2/railroading/newhavenlayout/nmra-br-structure-challenge/ (https://www.kathymillatt.co.uk/blog/category/modelling-2/railroading/newhavenlayout/nmra-br-structure-challenge/)
Matt
Quote from: restocarp on August 08, 2018, 02:08:12 PM
John,
Kathy's build of Threadwell appears to be in the "NMRA BR Structure challenge" portion of her blog : https://www.kathymillatt.co.uk/blog/category/modelling-2/railroading/newhavenlayout/nmra-br-structure-challenge/ (https://www.kathymillatt.co.uk/blog/category/modelling-2/railroading/newhavenlayout/nmra-br-structure-challenge/)
Matt
Matt
Thank you for the link - I have some reading to do.
Whoops...hadn't been on your thread for a few days so didn't see the link to Kathy's build. Onekama's been beautiful this week. Swimmable lake temps and hovering around 80, though warmer inland, I'm sure. Continuing to love this thread. Cheers!
I'm really intrigued by that t-track system you have. Went to Rockler's website and watched some of the videos. That's really cool! I'll have to scroll back through your thread to see if you have any pix of it in action that I may have overlooked. 👍🏻
Quote from: Dave K. on August 08, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
I'm really intrigued by that t-track system you have. Went to Rockler's website and watched some of the videos. That's really cool! I'll have to scroll back through your thread to see if you have any pix of it in action that I may have overlooked. 👍🏻
Hi Dave
I'm glad you are enjoying your vacation in Onekema. I'm waiting for the weather to cool down a bit before I spend much time up there.
The t-track system is new - the pictures I posted were the first time I used it this week. So far I really like it. I will be gluing up a number of builds in the next few weeks so it will get a good test. I will let you know what I think after more use. It sure saved me a lot of time on the first job.
I just learned Rockler has a brick-and-mortar store about 30 minutes from home. ;D I'll make sure you get any commissions!
Quote from: Dave K. on August 08, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
I'm really intrigued by that t-track system you have. Went to Rockler's website and watched some of the videos. That's really cool! I'll have to scroll back through your thread to see if you have any pix of it in action that I may have overlooked. 👍🏻
If you look at that photo of my (terribly messy) workbench with the T-Tracks, you can see I mounted the modeler's table saw and drill press to pieces of MDF, and that's what gets clamped down. I'm using the long T-Track clamps, you should look for some of those. They allow you to hold a piece farther away from the track itself.
dave
Quote from: Dave K. on August 08, 2018, 08:02:45 PM
I just learned Rockler has a brick-and-mortar store about 30 minutes from home. ;D I'll make sure you get any commissions!
We also have one near my house. Fun store to visit but your wallet will be lighter when you leave. I buy most of my stuff through their on line outlet.
I should mention that I was originally going to build a t-track system into my rolling workbench but after I priced out all the components it was much cheaper to buy the table top with the t-slots already installed. I was concerned about the size of the clamps etc. for HO scale stuff - but I'm finding they work great.
My workbench looks much better with a kit build underway.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818090646.jpeg)
This project expanded this morning. We have some serious mission creep. I will post some pictures this evening.
Here is a picture of the location where Threadwells is going on my layout. Once I established the location and orientation I need to establish the height. The river that feeds the backwaters for the Threadwells dam flows across the layout and then will feed the backwaters for the Salyes Mill. I needed to establish these to sites to complete the design for this entire area.
Once these two locations were frozen it was time to get out the sawzall to prepare the space and design the baseboards for both the Threadwell and Salyes Mills. The next few pictures will describe the process.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091222.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091222.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091222.jpeg)
Salyes Mill location.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091150.jpeg)
This picture shows both locations and the relationship between them. The river will run at the base of the rock work. The track in this location will be moved about 6 inches towards the front of the layout to make room for the river. There will be some white water, and water falls - it is about an 18 inch drop from one backward pond to the other.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091000.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091000.jpeg)
Once you decide what you want to do - George Sellios has taught us to just get out the saw.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818090926.jpeg)
Before: Salyes Mill Site.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091036.jpeg)
After: Salyes Mill site.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091150.jpeg)
Safety Note: Using red sawzall blades to cut though plaster can be hard on your heart. Work was halted while all appendages where accounted for. :o :-[ ??? ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091118.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818091118.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818205539.jpeg)
The Salyes Mill site. A few small additions will be made to the baseboard to fill in the holes. I want to complete as much of the scenery as possible on the workbench. This diorama will be designed to be lifted out if necessary to work on the layout in this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818205720.jpeg)
Here is a picture of the river bed area. The track will be moved to the left to make room for the river and river bank.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818205800.jpeg)
The Threadwell site: Let the cutting begin.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818205833.jpeg)
Once I got a hole big enough for Threadwells I got an idea.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818210023.jpeg)
The Delabarre Tap & Die will fit nicely up on top of the hill - rather than down below this area where I originally planned to put it. The same siding will service both facilities. So more cutting.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818210152.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818210152.jpeg)
Tomorrow, I will finish the base board for both kits. Here are the pictures of the kits as Bob built them from his website so you can begin to visualize how this will look.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818222137.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818222218.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-090818094038.jpeg)
The mill pond will fit between the two structures and be fed by a culvert under the tracks.
That's gonna be a killer scene!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm always fascinated to see how easy it is for you to destroy entire piece of your layout that are finished to incorporate improvements. It's something that I have to learn. I hold to consider that when my scenery is finished, it must not be touched anymore.
Wondeful.
Eric
Quote from: Dave K. on August 09, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
That's gonna be a killer scene!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Dave, we have a plan, now to implement it.
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 10, 2018, 05:35:08 AM
I'm always fascinated to see how easy it is for you to destroy entire piece of your layout that are finished to incorporate improvements. It's something that I have to learn. I hold to consider that when my scenery is finished, it must not be touched anymore.
Wondeful.
Eric
Eric
The piece of plaster mountain that was cut out will be moved about 5 feet and will be used to fill in a section that I didn't like. The key is to be able to envision what you want it to look like when your done. I do a lot of looking and planning before I get out the saw.
I just reread what I had posted yesterday, it seems spell checker thinks Delabarre should be Delaware? I think I fixed it in all the places required.
I can't wait to see your progress and finished scene.
Looks like you're the Master of Plaster John! ;D Great job. Things are coming along nicely.
Quote from: ReadingBob on August 10, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
Looks like you're the Master of Plaster John! ;D Great job. Things are coming along nicely.
Thanks Bob.
Today, I completed the base board. It will be ready to move to the workbench as soon as the glue dries. I actually used a section of my old layouts benchwork as an anchoring post. If you look underneath this section you can see all the benchwork from the old layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818211123.jpeg)
My new baseboard gloves this post so it slide into position and locks in place.
Here is a construction picture as I was assembling it.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818211703.jpeg)
And here it is slid into place.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818212301.jpeg)
All the details of the slopes and the waterfall etc will be done on the workbench. Bob's first two kits will be side by side on the same hillside.
Here are pictures from a couple different angles.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818220714.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818220749.jpeg)
And an overview picture showing the Salyes Mill location in relationship to the Threadwells site.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818220521.jpeg)
John,
Will you be making mold of the Sayles structure ?
Tommy
Quote from: tom.boyd.125 on August 11, 2018, 01:42:17 AM
John,
Will you be making mold of the Sayles structure ?
Tommy
Tommy
The casting for Salyes are already resin so I will only make molds if I need one of the casting for a scratch building project or to expand the retaining walls. It will be a while before I get to the Salyes build so I have some time to think about it.
Here is a picture of the Salyes Mill baseboard and site.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-100818211554.jpeg)
Great project, I'm enjoying the thread!
Wow...I'm sure I've said it before but "you rock". Elite craftsman kits placed among those cliffs - amazing!
When the EXPO comes to Michigan, I'm in.
John
Looking good John.
I really like seeing how you -redo- scenes. It gives us a look under the 'curtains' and an understanding of the evolving design process.
dave
Quote from: rpdylan on August 11, 2018, 03:49:13 PM
Great project, I'm enjoying the thread!
Bob
Thank you for following along and the kind words.
Quote from: Cuse on August 11, 2018, 05:20:59 PM
Wow...I'm sure I've said it before but "you rock". Elite craftsman kits placed among those cliffs - amazing!
When the EXPO comes to Michigan, I'm in.
John
John
The narrow gauge line runs just behind the aspen trees in this scene. Standard gauge will service the mill. I hope you can make it up to Michigan to see your locomotive run through the scene with or without the EXPO.
Quote from: deemery on August 11, 2018, 08:14:43 PM
I really like seeing how you -redo- scenes. It gives us a look under the 'curtains' and an understanding of the evolving design process.
dave
Dave
Thank you for the kind words - the design process does evolve - it is one of the best parts of the hobby for me.
Update on the t-track system. After using the t-track system for clamping and holding castings, holding pieces for the diorama bases while I cut them, etc. etc. I can't believe how I got along without it. It is the best tool investment that I have made in a long time. Great time saver. I ordered a second set of clamps this week so I could hold two builds at the same time. There is plenty of room on the 28 by 42 inch table top. We will see how it works for clamping structures together for gluing this week. I did a test - without glue - to see how well it worked and was very pleased with the results.
I will take some pictures of the setups if your interested.
Hey John:
What can I say but WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on August 12, 2018, 09:32:43 AM
Hey John:
What can I say but WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karl
Karl
Thanks for stopping by the thread - and yes WOW this is a big project.
Here is the link to the Threadwells build thread if you would like to following along on the details of the project.
http://modelersforum.com/kit-building/srmw-threadwell-textile-on-the-ss-rr/30/
I will post a few progress pictures on this thread and post the details on the thread above.
I did some visualization of this latest project through the magic of Apple. What do you think?
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-130818104617.png)
Look very good for me. May be a little less domestication of the stone in the retaining wall just after the dam of Threadwell.
I would say more Natural rock rather stone wall in the right side
Eric
John - just throwing this out there.
Can you rotate the structures 180 degrees and swap the sides of the river they are on? I would be curious to see how it looks this way. For me, the best view of Dalabarre Tap and Die is the far end of the building which is out of view. It has so many interesting lines and (believable) changes of material. I am rather natural on which view of Threadwell is best. Thats the BIG problem with SRM kits - they look great from every angle!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: EricQuebec on August 13, 2018, 11:22:19 AM
Look very good for me. May be a little less domestication of the stone in the retaining wall just after the dam of Threadwell.
I would say more Natural rock rather stone wall in the right side
Eric
Eric
Thank you for your comments - I will be playing with this to make a better representation of what I want to build, as time goes on. I used the pictures of the kits that were available on Bob's web site and thought it was a cool visualization tool.
I plan on using stones for the walls that match the stones in the area, so it will be hard to tell if nature or a crane put them in place.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on August 13, 2018, 03:15:50 PM
John - just throwing this out there.
Can you rotate the structures 180 degrees and swap the sides of the river they are on? I would be curious to see how it looks this way. For me, the best view of Dalabarre Tap and Die is the far end of the building which is out of view. It has so many interesting lines and (believable) changes of material. I am rather natural on which view of Threadwell is best. Thats the BIG problem with SRM kits - they look great from every angle!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I agree with your assessment of the best side of Dalabarre Tap and Die. I have already change the orientation so you get a true front view from the orientation of this picture and still will be able to see the side with all the elevation changes. I will work on getting a picture. The Threadwell orientation will be rotated about 10 to 15 degrees from the orientation of the picture that I used. It will be centered more in the corner. I will post some new pictures when I get the picture oriented better. Thanks again for your comments.
Mark made a great point with the Dalabarre view angle. It's hard to find pictures at the right angle but here is another attempt at a design view.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150818193824.png) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-150818193824.png)
What happened to my zoomed in view when I transferred the picture to the forum? Slide the picture to the right to see what I'm talking about.
That looks WAY better, John!
The way Dalabarre is a very similar colour to your rock work also works magic. The eye is instantly drawn in to the lighter colours of Threadwell's which really pops. It then makes the sideways transition to Dalabarre. I think in this way the two structures don't seem to compete for the viewers attention, but are rather taken in one at a time.
I actually went looking at the SRM site after your last post (before I commented) to look at that end view. I remembered a wonderful wooden stairway from the track level platform to the lower level door, kind of tumbling down on the roof. Turns out that was just an addition I did to my scratch-build which I based on this kit. I remember that stairway taking me 9 hours to construct!
Looking fantastic! Cheers, Mark.
Followup to Hydrocal castings issue: I few pages back in this thread you will find a discussion of my experience with old hydrocal castings for my Threadwell's build. Long story short one of the castings fractured during the molding process when I was making molds for a duplicate set of resin castings. I decided based on that experience to make molds of my hydrocal castings for Delabarre's Tool and Die. My theory being that the old hydrocal castings had become brittle. Well, I pulled the mold boxes off the molds and castings today. I had three castings fracture from the Delabarre's batch.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170818203449.jpeg)
Two of the castings are very repairable but I did loose some brick detail in the fracture zone. The third castings would require lots of repair hours to be able to use for a build. Here are a few photographs that show the issues. First, this photograph of the castings just after I removed the mold box. The castings are already broken before I even tried to get them out of the mold. I don't know if the breaks are caused by thermal stresses or if I did it while I was removing the mold box. The bottom line is that the casting are very delicate.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170818203600.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170818204008.jpeg)
This closeup shows how the brick surface is breaking off in the mold.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-170818204037.jpeg)
So, the good news is, that I have all the detail captured in the molds - so I can make resin replacement castings. The bad news is that I need to make molds of all of the old hydrocal kits that I have on the shelf to protect my investment. I need to check the rest of my SRMW kits to see if I have any more with plaster castings. I know I have some very old York kits that I will need make molds from. Also, some C . C. Crow kits.
Anyway, I thought I would share this with the forum so you can decide what you want to do with your older hydrocal kits.
Thanks, John. This is soooo useful. I have most of the early SRMW kits as well. In the early stages of my current build of Rugg, I had a couple of cases where a casting tipped over while standing them up and test fitting. Remarkably, no castings have broken. I didn't realize how lucky I have been. Hopefully I am out of danger with the Rugg build but there are many more to come (including Delabarre Tap and Die -- the first SRMW offering and one of my faves). I am definitely going to follow in your footsteps here to help protect those precious components.
Quote from: vinceg on August 17, 2018, 11:17:26 PM
Thanks, John. This is soooo useful. I have most of the early SRMW kits as well. In the early stages of my current build of Rugg, I had a couple of cases where a casting tipped over while standing them up and test fitting. Remarkably, no castings have broken. I didn't realize how lucky I have been. Hopefully I am out of danger with the Rugg build but there are many more to come (including Delabarre Tap and Die -- the first SRMW offering and one of my faves). I am definitely going to follow in your footsteps here to help protect those precious components.
Your welcome, I think it's the right thing to do. Bob's casting look so good.
Two thoughts: (1) could your hydrocal be compromised/old? (2) you could put gauze in the middle of the casting to help add some strength. The gauze won't cause any problems cutting out the windows.
It's been interesting to read about your trials on making these castings.
dave
Quote from: deemery on August 18, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
Two thoughts: (1) could your hydrocal be compromised/old? (2) you could put gauze in the middle of the casting to help add some strength. The gauze won't cause any problems cutting out the windows.
It's been interesting to read about your trials on making these castings.
dave
Dave
All of these castings were made years ago with fresh hydrocal. The castings would be fine to build with if you didn't bump them during the building process or once they are on the layout. The problem is if you have a problem replacing a casting now is difficult or very expensive. Thanks for following along.
John......
Consider a mold release. I know they use it on fiberglass stuff for boats and such.
I made some cut stone castings some years ago. I used spray Pam non stick cooking stuff. Once the hydrocal had REALLY kicked off a quick rinse in the kitchen sink with a mild soap took any oil off of the plaster. I also found that the oil stayed on the mold for several castings.
I never had any problem getting paints or dyes to stick to the plaster thereafter.
WARNING ! ! ! ! This does NOT work with common plaster of Paris. It is too porous.
Hope this helps.
see ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on August 18, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
John......
Consider a mold release. I know they use it on fiberglass stuff for boats and such.
I made some cut stone castings some years ago. I used spray Pam non stick cooking stuff. Once the hydrocal had REALLY kicked off a quick rinse in the kitchen sink with a mild soap took any oil off of the plaster. I also found that the oil stayed on the mold for several castings.
I never had any problem getting paints or dyes to stick to the plaster thereafter.
WARNING ! ! ! ! This does NOT work with common plaster of Paris. It is too porous.
Hope this helps.
see ya
Bob
Hi Bob
Thank you for the suggestion.
I have been using a mold release that I buy from Micro-Mart. These castings are breaking before I even try to get them out of the molds.
John...
I have never "ganged" that many items in a sheet like that. Is it possible that they are loading each other during the cure time?
Just thinking out loud here.
see ya
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on August 18, 2018, 05:49:52 PM
John...
I have never "ganged" that many items in a sheet like that. Is it possible that they are loading each other during the cure time?
Just thinking out loud here.
see ya
Bob
Bob
I really think that the thermal stress during the curing process is what is causing the cracking. The artist foam holds the walls from moving. I have no way of proving it, but I have made hundreds of castings over the years and haven't seen this kind of casting failure. If I was in the business I would spend the time to figure it out - but I have a solution by pour resin castings of the older hydrocal kits that I have purchased over the years - so I'm going to move on. I did check and all of the SRMW kits that I have to build after these two are all made with resin castings. ;)
Just one more point on this casting dilemma - it was the middle casting in the group that shattered. I will be making smaller mold boxes in the future, just in case.
Today, I moved the diorama base for the Threadwell's, and Delabarre Tool & Die Builds from it's location on the layout to my workbench. I had to make sure I could move it from my workshop to the layout without a clearance problem.
I use the base cart from my tool box to move the big dioramas. The first step was to move it from it's location on the layout to the edge of the layout - keeping it level. Next, I lifted onto the cart.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180818182244.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190818203039.jpeg)
I then moved the cart thought the layout room into the shop checking for clearances. The tight spot was getting through the door, but still an inch on each side. There is no room for work bench expansion with this one.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190818202957.jpeg)
Finally, I moved it from the cart to the work bench. Just the right size.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190818203329.jpeg)
Everything is setup for the stickup and the right orientation of the structures. I will complete the foam base on the workbench. I have a feeling that this is going to be on my workbench for awhile.
One more follow-up item for tonight. I have been using my new T-track system for the buildup and gluing of the walls for the Threadwell's build. I really like how this T-track system simplifies the setup and clamping process. Everything is held in place perfectly square and it allows me more freedom to shim the wall sections to get the rows of stones to line-up in the corners.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190818202854.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190818202854.jpeg)
I have also been busy detailing the Locomotive Works and Mackenzie builds. I'm getting close to some final pictures with these builds in their home locations.
So today got swallowed up with my garage cleaning project. All was not lost, I found two five gallon buckets full of scenery materials that I had forgotten about.
HeyJohn:
Looks like you are off to a good start with the kit. Can't wait to see this one.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on August 21, 2018, 01:33:23 PM
HeyJohn:
Looks like you are off to a good start with the kit. Can't wait to see this one.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for following along. I think this is going to be a very fun project.
I finished one of my test walls for the Threadwell's build. I thought I would post it here in addition to the build thread for future reference.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-220818180300.jpeg)
What do you think?
John,
I'm just going to plagiarize my other comment.
"Looks wonderful and that area will be a real eye catcher when finished. Well done my friend."
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 23, 2018, 05:47:00 PM
John,
I'm just going to plagiarize my other comment.
"Looks wonderful and that area will be a real eye catcher when finished. Well done my friend."
Tom ;D
Tom
Thanks for stopping by and the kind words. I spent the day doing more castings and the more of them I do the better I like this approach. I will post a detailed procedure on how I'm painting the rock castings on my Threadwell build thread.
This week most of my layout work has been on the Threadwell build so see the build thread on Threadwells for an update.
I'm getting close to having the baseboard blocked for the Threadwell build completed. I have also been working on the detailing around my last 4 builds. Almost time for some more pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-260818195244.jpeg)
Each year, just before the Narrow Gauge Convention, I take a bunch of progress pictures of the areas of the layout I've worked on in the previous year. The tradition has given me a overall progress record. I decided, this year to start posting the pictures here on the build thread. I hope you enjoy them.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230406.jpeg)
John,
Wonderful view of the layout, trestles, mountains and FSM structures.
Beautiful stuff.
Tom ;D
Yep - great scene, John.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818224905.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818224905.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225037.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225147.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225232.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225408.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225457.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225553.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225703.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225804.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818225859.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230016.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230112.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230205.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230304.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230406.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230845.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818230943.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231037.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231127.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231218.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231314.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231414.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231509.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231601.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231702.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231756.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231839.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818231929.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232026.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232116.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232253.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232347.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232426.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232513.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-290818232543.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082142.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082219.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082252.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082354.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082453.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082601.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818082716.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818083321.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818085754.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818085842.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818085948.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818090046.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818093552.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818093636.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818093750.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818093946.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818094030.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818094110.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818094147.jpeg)
Over then next few months I will be marking these photographs up for improvements. The scenes are not complete by getting closer. It's all about the details.
Quote from: ACL1504 on August 30, 2018, 08:26:01 AM
John,
Wonderful view of the layout, trestles, mountains and FSM structures.
Beautiful stuff.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for the kind words my friend.
This is the next area that I plan on working on, to complete the detailing. One of the big projects coming up is to install all the switch machines and controls/control panels to finish the Eagles Nest Yard.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818101222.jpeg) (http://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818101222.jpeg)
Hi John,
Your the man!!!!!!!!!!! The pictures are great along with the modeling, and I like all the different stories told.
Quote from: sdrees on August 30, 2018, 11:38:23 AM
Hi John,
Your the man!!!!!!!!!!! The pictures are great along with the modeling, and I like all the different stories told.
Steve
Thank you for following this thread and your kind words. Are you coming to the Narrow Gauge Convention this year?
Some amazing progress, John!
Your layout is looking wonderful!
One detail I thought you could add - some sort of lifting device to get the stones up to the scaffold. I can't see those being carried up a ladder!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on August 30, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
Some amazing progress, John!
Your layout is looking wonderful!
One detail I thought you could add - some sort of lifting device to get the stones up to the scaffold. I can't see those being carried up a ladder!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the kind words - I like the way you think - There happens to be a little crane sitting on my work bench just out of the paint booth from priming. It's out of one of George's kits - I'm counting on Jimmy D. for a replacement casting. ;) ;D Are you listening Jimmy?
If you look closely, you will also notice that the guy cutting the stones, and the guy lifting them into place are big boys.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-300818152736.jpeg)
The rest of the castings on the workbench are for my next two FSM builds.
Such a great layout , beautiful scenery, superb structures , just wonderful John.
John, I think that little crane came from FSM 155 Old Time Coal Dock. (https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.railroad-line.com%2Fforum%2Fdata%2Fdeemery%2F201121217713_CoalDock%2520001.jpg&hash=24b30fed5bbed6056e27276d07f25173446820cf)
That's actually my (slightly reduced) model from my old layout. The problem is this kit is set up to feed from the right, and I really should have one that feeds from the left. I'm not sure what I'll do for fueling locos once I get to the main yard on the new layout.
dave
Big boys - that made me laugh! I like the way you think!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Janbouli on August 30, 2018, 05:39:22 PM
Such a great layout , beautiful scenery, superb structures , just wonderful John.
Jan
Thank you for the very kind words. We will see how much I can get done this next year. As always, thank you for following along.
Quote from: deemery on August 30, 2018, 06:02:19 PM
John, I think that little crane came from FSM 155 Old Time Coal Dock. (https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.railroad-line.com%2Fforum%2Fdata%2Fdeemery%2F201121217713_CoalDock%2520001.jpg&hash=24b30fed5bbed6056e27276d07f25173446820cf) (http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/deemery/201121217713_CoalDock%20001.jpg)
That's actually my (slightly reduced) model from my old layout. The problem is this kit is set up to feed from the right, and I really should have one that feeds from the left. I'm not sure what I'll do for fueling locos once I get to the main yard on the new layout.
dave
Dave
Nice build! The crane on my workbench is actually from Sewall's but I now know where I can get a replacement castings. I have two of the 155 kits - my second one came from a box full of yellow boxes I bought many years ago. I ended up with two duplicate kits - my Isaac's Coal double build is the other. George called it Jacob's coal.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on August 30, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
Big boys - that made me laugh! I like the way you think!
Cheers, Mark.
;) ;D
John
Just getting caught up once again.
That is some beautiful work! Love the details you keep adding.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on September 05, 2018, 09:13:52 AM
John
Just getting caught up once again.
That is some beautiful work! Love the details you keep adding.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along and the kind words.
I have returned from the Narrow Gauge Convention extremely inspired to get to work on the layout. I visited 16 wonderful layouts in Minnesota and Wisconsin last week. I will start a layout tours thread with the pictures I took over the next few weeks. Tomorrow, I need to unpack the supplies I purchased at the show along with the packages that came in while I was away. Then, it will be back to work in the Threadwell build along with completing the scenery work and making the corrections I marked up on the pictures I took along with me on the trip.
I've only been to the NGNC in Augusta, ME, but there certainly was a lot of good modeling on display. Sacramento next year will be a long, long way. 2020 in St. Louis is less than I drove to get to K.C. last month, but I need to see how they g the NGNC and NMRA conventions fit together for travel. Gateway 2020's site ( http://www.gateway2020.org/ ) says the NMRA will be July 12-18, hot but before my grain harvest. I don't find a web presence for the 2020 NNGC, which is a bit worrisome in this day and age.
James
Thanks for stopping by the thread. I grew up on my Grandparents farm so I know what it's like in the summer on the farm. Don't worry about the websites for the Narrow Gauge conventions - one of the rules is that they can't start advertising until the previous years convention is over. So the Sacramento group will be firing up their website in the next couple of weeks. St. Louis will not add any details other than the dates to their website until this time next year. The Narrow Gauge Convention is historically the first week of September. The organizers for both convention put on a presentation at this years NG Convention and they both look like they will have very nice programs. Sacramento said they have 50 layouts under consideration for their layout tours. ;) :D FYI - the NG convention will be in Hickory, NC in 2021, in Seattle, Washington in 2022, and in Denver, CO in 2023.
Link to Narrow Gauge Convention 2019.
http://www.nngc2019.org (http://www.nngc2019.org)
Jaime keeps us all informed about the Narrow Gauge Conventions on his website.
http://www.narrowperspective.com
My Grandson (2 years old) was here this weekend running trains - the layout has a different look from his viewing angle. It is simply amazing how fast he learned to run them.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180918092610.jpeg)
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-180918092704.jpeg)
Wow - that's a beautiful layout and layout room - I don't think I've ever seen anything that complete - layout, backdrop, fascia, below-fascia, hardwood floor, lighting, valance. Man. I hope I can get over there to see it sometime.
What do all the light switches control?
Quote from: vinceg on September 18, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
Wow - that's a beautiful layout and layout room - I don't think I've ever seen anything that complete - layout, backdrop, fascia, below-fascia, hardwood floor, lighting, valance. Man. I hope I can get over there to see it sometime.
What do all the light switches control?
Vince
Thank you for the kind words. I hope you can get over here for a visit sometime. You are always welcome. The switches control blocks of track. I wired the track work with 8 DCC power districts and 112 (and growing) blocks (basically a section of track). If I have a sort somewhere on the layout I can turn off sections of track until I find the section that has the short. It has come in handy many times. Track cutters laying across the track in a tunnel more than once. The switches also come in handy to turn off a section of track if I don't want to hear all of the locomotives on the layout all at the same time. It is especially useful in the roundhouse and in the yards. All I needed to do was show my Grandson what they were for and he leaves them alone. He knows where the main power switch is and how to "wake up the trains".
Great photo of a seasoned engineer at the throttle...!!
And you win the "most switches in one place" award....
;D
Marty
Quote from: CVSNE on September 19, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
Great photo of a seasoned engineer at the throttle...!!
And you win the "most switches in one place" award....
;D
Marty
Marty
Thanks for stopping by the thread.
He is well on his way - I hope he keeps his interest in trains. As for the switches, I'm very glad I took the couple days to add them when I was wiring the layout. They have saved countless hours of aggravation.
I prepared the castings that I picked up at the Narrow Gauge convention for the paint booth while I was waiting for paint to dry on my Threadwell's build.
(https://modelersforum.com/gallery/18-190918120258.jpeg)
John beautiful layout and pictures.
Your Grandson looks right at home running those trains!!
Jerry
John,
Wow, most excellent layout and room. Well done my friend, very well done.
Tom ;D
Quote from: Jerry on September 20, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
John beautiful layout and pictures.
Your Grandson looks right at home running those trains!!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the kind words. Yes - he loves them. I thought 10 minutes tops for a two year old - he was at it for two hours until I told him Grandma bought ice cream for desert and it was time for lunch. He told me it was time for the train's nap. ;) He was right back at it after his nap.
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 20, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
John,
Wow, most excellent layout and room. Well done my friend, very well done.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for the encouraging words - there are a lot of structure builds between here and where I want it to be. It will keep me busy for many years to come.
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 20, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
John,
Wow, most excellent layout and room. Well done my friend, very well done.
Tom ;D
John,
I could not have said it any better
Someday I would love to get back up to Mi and see it in person.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on September 20, 2018, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on September 20, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
John,
Wow, most excellent layout and room. Well done my friend, very well done.
Tom ;D
John,
I could not have said it any better
Someday I would love to get back up to Mi and see it in person.
Jim
Thank you for the kind words - repeated. ;) ;D ;D
You are welcome anytime - please let me know if life brings you back this way.
Update: I haven't posted on this thread for a couple weeks - I was away from the layout for 10 days on a vacation. Today, I got back at it working on the Threadwells Build that has it's own build thread in the kit building category. I'm currently splitting by time between structure builds and scenery work and will post additional progress pictures here in the coming days.
Hey John:
You do have one beautiful RR. I always enjoy your photos.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on October 03, 2018, 08:33:47 AM
Hey John:
You do have one beautiful RR. I always enjoy your photos.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread. I'm working hard to have some new areas to take pictures of.
Update: Most of my layout time for the past few weeks has been spent on the Threadwell's build and as of today the Delabarre Build which will share the same base board on the layout. Here is a picture of the dry fitting process for the castings of the Delabarre Tool & Die.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-081018191313.jpeg&hash=08a13b497e834725c34a9d6b429a5b3e033c7deb)
The details for this diorama can be found in the Threadwell's Kit build thread.
I received a shipment from Texas, yesterday.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-091018170010.jpeg&hash=6535b8eedb0a036c338c8e339d89cbfbc33c8f51)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-091018170100.jpeg&hash=a44219f14c2581e95ee9f99dacdfc488e8564385)
It looks like a fun kit to build. Great work so far on your other 2 projects.
John...I'll be anxious to follow your build of the Foundry...I have it on order as well but haven't rec'd it yet
Terry
Quote from: PRR Modeler on October 10, 2018, 10:00:31 AM
It looks like a fun kit to build. Great work so far on your other 2 projects.
Curt
Thanks for following along. I have been posting my updates on the Threadwell's Thread, lately. I will be posting more regular updates on this thread as the projects progress.
Quote from: Vietnam Seabee on October 10, 2018, 10:48:21 AM
John...I'll be anxious to follow your build of the Foundry...I have it on order as well but haven't rec'd it yet
Terry
Terry
Thanks for following along. This build is about number 10 on the list so it will be awhile before I get to it. I have an area of the layout that will be the town of Gallent where about 8 - 10 of Brent's kits will be located. At this point the kits are on the shelf and the design for the town is floating around in my brain. The town will be right at eye level on a plateau in the mountains where the viewer will be able to look down the street at eye level. I can't wait to get to it. All of the wonderful detail that Brett provides in the kits will be right where you can see it.
Big smiley face...the town of Gallent seems an appropriate location for those 8-10 kits...I'm currently working on the Railroad Camp....is that one on your list to do?
Terry
Always cool sir.....
Thanx
Bob
Quote from: Vietnam Seabee on October 11, 2018, 12:02:14 PM
Big smiley face...the town of Gallent seems an appropriate location for those 8-10 kits...I'm currently working on the Railroad Camp....is that one on your list to do?
Terry
Terry
I have the railroad camp and it's on the list, but have another place in mind for it on the other side of the layout.
We got back to work on the Eagles Nest Yard, today. Wayne Olson spent the day with me. Ballast for the new track and some paint refresh on the warehouse building.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-131018193953.jpeg&hash=60640e38b1e13007cf80afa6861bb5f264cca991)
Next, it's time to get the benchwork ready for the 8 F&SM kits that will occupy this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-131018173413.jpeg&hash=55508efb18276cc3dc866b7969469014c255c315)
And I even let Wayne use the power tools, with appropriate supervision. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-131018173248.jpeg&hash=59a2cdf7bdbf894d2a1c6fe077a98674a4c596a8)
The benchwork in this area will have two removable panels for the occasions when we need to work on the track in on the upper level or on the turntable and roundhouse.
I need to get the roof details done for the warehouse. Roof top water tanks and some elevator shaft houses, etc. I think a bird watcher looking at the Eagles Nest might be a nice mini scene. The roof details will be the most visible part of this area once the structures go in in front.
For the next few weeks I will be concentrating on the Threadwell's and Delabarre builds so I thought I would post a link to the build threads if you want to see what I'm up to on the Superior & Seattle Railroad.
http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=3796.360
I started building the loading dock doors for the Delabarre build and got inspired to scratch build the doors for the locomotive works. One of the tasks on my finishing list for that build.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-051118190608.jpeg&hash=dab4f3b404f4a7fcc49631141877d4ede1228025)
This is a process picture with three of the doors rough trimmed and the forth partially glued together. The cardboard template is used to cut the doors to shape. Final shaping of the round trim piece on the top of the doors was done with a number 11 blade in the exacto knife and a sanding stick.
I got the first coat of paint on the Locomotive Works doors today.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-101118213446.jpeg&hash=3fe718df7432320e6b33165835e62a88d999687e)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-101118213408.jpeg&hash=6eaa75dbb2c24e6721bc1f881fc97ea1acc674ca)
Another coat of paint, some hinges, and some weathering and these doors will be ready to go on the front of the Locomotive works. Next on the list for this build is the signs for the front and maybe the side.
John, are you doing working hinges? I remember struggling with design and execution, but on my stone CM (Model Masterpieces) roundhouse was able to get hinges that worked. They're too fragile for normal operations, though. The basic idea is L-shaped hinge pins stuck in the stonework door frames, and small thin tubing that fits over the hinge pin as the hinge barrel.
dave
Quote from: deemery on November 12, 2018, 09:18:09 AM
John, are you doing working hinges? I remember struggling with design and execution, but on my stone CM (Model Masterpieces) roundhouse was able to get hinges that worked. They're too fragile for normal operations, though. The basic idea is L-shaped hinge pins stuck in the stonework door frames, and small thin tubing that fits over the hinge pin as the hinge barrel.
dave
Dave
I thought of making working hinges but decided that they are way to close to the edge of the layout and too big of a temptation for little hands (the Grandkids). I have the same hinges that I used on the stone roundhouse and plan on modeling them in the open position.
My grandson is starting is first kit build - it is the stone shed from Grandpa George's last FSM kit. He is 2 and one half years only - which is almost three - just ask him.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-121118151255.jpeg&hash=fc449dec7a59a62cecd8dfede7ac9515c78d36c5)
We are using four different colors of Rembrandt chalk pigments with alcohol to color the stones.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-121118151424.jpeg&hash=d39033aed569dc4bf85d9c1abbb2519e977ea9cb)
We are now ready for the mortar color.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-121118151346.jpeg&hash=ded615a52480f54a4c2ddd554f7d37ccd1a563c6)
It's time to let it dry and wash our hands before heading into Grandma's part of the house. Updates to follow.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-121118152702.jpeg&hash=84b63aa610d4bbf23ed505e404d655cb1b95896f)
The chalk makes the #11 blade scares show up on your hands.
Quote from: S&S RR on November 12, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
It's time to let it dry and wash our hands before heading into Grandma's part of the house. Updates to follow.
Wise man!!!
dave
Cool project with grandson.
That is so Awesome.
Jim
Quote from: deemery on November 12, 2018, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on November 12, 2018, 03:29:21 PM
It's time to let it dry and wash our hands before heading into Grandma's part of the house. Updates to follow.
Wise man!!!
dave
It is the process of becoming wise that is painful.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on November 12, 2018, 04:04:08 PM
Cool project with grandson.
Curt
Thanks - I don't know who had more fun.
Quote from: jimmillho on November 12, 2018, 07:25:29 PM
That is so Awesome.
Jim
Jim
It sure is - I had to share it with you guys. He had so much fun. The structure is going on the layout.
Here are a couple pictures of my Grandson's shed build after the mortar dried and we cleaned off the stone faces. I have been informed that we are going to make Slim happy and add internal and external lighting. Also we need interior details, including a people and a dog. He is looking at my locomotive works build. On his next visit we will be adding a floor and roof.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-141118205422.jpeg&hash=ec3822f18c5e5b2b103d2d02312321bac253b35a)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-141118205339.jpeg&hash=571dd0c6a7fc33ae21bfb7a27cd3f6756b5a1f63)
He definitely has talent , where from I ask ;)
Quote from: Janbouli on November 15, 2018, 06:29:57 AM
He definitely has talent , where from I ask ;)
Jan
You ask a good question. George Sellios saw the pictures and really got a kick out of the next generation of model railroads starting out - and with one of his kits. That little stone shed is perfect - he has been asking to paint something.
From you John , from you , the way he did that fantastic job on those stone walls , could only come from you.
Quote from: Janbouli on November 15, 2018, 05:51:01 PM
From you John , from you , the way he did that fantastic job on those stone walls , could only come from you.
I hope he keeps his interest in modeling and maybe learns something from me. Thank you for the kind words.
Those pictures of your gran'doodle are just priceless! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Quote from: Dave K. on November 16, 2018, 06:31:29 AM
Those pictures of your gran'doodle are just priceless! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Dave
Definitely great idea getting your grandson involved in the hobby! It looks like he's a natural at stonework.
Quote from: MAP on November 16, 2018, 09:20:21 AM
Definitely great idea getting your grandson involved in the hobby! It looks like he's a natural at stonework.
Mark
Thanks for stopping by and yes I'm enjoying sharing the hobby with my Grandson.
I sprayed the two stone shed with fixative today. The one on the left was painted while I was doing the walls for the Threadwells build and the one on the right is the one my Grandson painted with four different shade of Rembrandt chalks.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-161118180837.jpeg&hash=2caa3177b18355a62b0dd3a0d48e2f034f33c1bb)
This weekend we had a family party for Thanksgiving and the trains were running for hours on the S&S RR. I got to see the layout running with multiple trains at the same time for the first time - I few track changes were added to the list but it ran pretty well. I also developed an initial plan for the expansion. :o ;)
The stonework on both look great.
In addition to a lot of detail work on my Threadwell build (see the Threadwell Build Thread), I also made some progress on the finishing work on the Locomotive Works. I started hanging the doors on the front. In addition to the other doors, I will be adding some signs similar to what I did for the Stone Roundhouse.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-271118215231.jpeg&hash=3ae24992bbef5d4240cae0914736ca77e6992a89)
John,
Not much to say other than the structures - and the entire layout - are looking great.
Enjoying following along and thanks for sharing!
Marty
Quote from: CVSNE on November 28, 2018, 07:56:05 AM
John,
Not much to say other than the structures - and the entire layout - are looking great.
Enjoying following along and thanks for sharing!
Marty
Marty
Thank you for following along and the kind words.
God you look so young in that picture! Than I realized it was your grandson!! :)
I hope he taught you something new? Great job John with the grandson!
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on November 28, 2018, 11:41:33 AM
God you look so young in that picture! Than I realized it was your grandson!! :)
I hope he taught you something new? Great job John with the grandson!
Jerry
Jerry
I'm learning youthful enthusiasm from him for one thing. It's so wonderful to be around. So much fun!
This weekend I got final approval for the expansion of the S&S RR form the CFO. I want to reclaim the area in my workshop that currently contains the reversing loop. The new area will start with a reversing loop and a large yard and roundhouse facilities.
This will give me a place to store all the locomotives and rolling stock in a safe place while I work on the rest of the layout. It will also make it easy to run the trains on a moments notice when the Grandkids are visiting. I will post a new layout diagram when the design is complete. Construction will begin when it's warm enough to cut wood in the garage. I love railroad expansions.
O MY GOD , just glancing through finally and I must say , stunning work, you took my heart away with those trestles. I really hope your grandson keeps going with you on this project , mine just turned 2 and with my layout being put on hold to build the kits he is missing out on the layout stuff. I sometime wish I would have kept going on my previous layout where like you I had added an additional room. Simply stunning.
Lynn
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I hope my Grandson keeps his interest in the layout. Time will tell - he sure loves it now. I'm glad I did the restart with my layout - if you can have just a small section running while you work on structures your Grandson may get a kick out of it.
I spent some time today playing with the design for my upcoming layout expansion. The green box in this picture is the new area 27 x 18 feet. This is a photograph off the screen of my MacBook for those interested in the CAD package I use. It's call TurboCAD. It is full 3D capable but I'm just playing in a plan view at this point. My process is to do a mockup in CAD and then I will mark this photograph up using an electronic pencil on my iPad. I used to use this process to feedback changes to my designers back in my working days so it works very well for me. By using CAD I can make calculations like I know that I can manage a 14 car train through the reversing siding and into the yard. The turntable in this yard will be capable of handling locomotives that are 15.25 inches long.
This current design maintains the chair, sofa, and TV area that are currently in the room. The crew quarters. The current plan is to model the Quincy Mining Facilities in the open areas that are not occupied by the yard - the structures will all be scratch built. It's a starting point and gets some of the ideas that I have been playing with on a scratch pad into the computer for serious design work.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-161218211517.jpeg&hash=6d7dac86cbcfa509ba0884721fe8057bc132bc61)
Here is a zoomed in picture that shows the track plan better.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-161218210535.jpeg&hash=0c39cb455a6e23fd2f90dd3b343c746014fe772d)
Quote from: S&S RR on December 16, 2018, 09:30:17 PM
Here is a zoomed in picture that shows the track plan better. This new design moves the current reversing loop out of my workshop which opens up a lot more bench space for structure builds. There will be times in the next few years when I will have more than one large module in the build sequence at the same time, which requires more bench space.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-161218210535.jpeg&hash=0c39cb455a6e23fd2f90dd3b343c746014fe772d)
This looks like a fabulous addition to your empire, John!
Normally I might think its a little ambitious, but knowing the speed, quality and quantity of your work - I think its very achievable! Looking forward to an overall plan with the addition added to get the overall perspective (I'm sure its coming!)
As always, thanks for sharing! Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on December 16, 2018, 11:15:31 PM
This looks like a fabulous addition to your empire, John!
Normally I might think its a little ambitious, but knowing the speed, quality and quantity of your work - I think its very achievable! Looking forward to an overall plan with the addition added to get the overall perspective (I'm sure its coming!)
As always, thanks for sharing! Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for stopping by - yes it's more than a little ambitious - my whole layout is. It's just the way I want to enjoy the hobby, the key is to live long enough to finish it. The main reason for the expansion now is that this area will store the trains. I can move all of my locomotives and rolling stock into one area which will have a cover that will protect them from dust and construction movement while I complete the rest of the layout. More on this as the design progresses. It also will free up some workshop space that currently houses a reversing loop. I will post a picture of the entire layout plan from the CAD system latter today.
Words to live by...
"the key is to live long enough to finish it"
Cheers, Mark.
John,
Very nice addition to the layout. We all need some storage of sorts.
I'm not sure I'll ever finish my layout but I'm giving it the old college try.
Tom ;D
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
Yep - some questions are off-limits to me. One of those is how much you spend on your hobbies. You're much more polite.
Here is a layout plan that includes the complete usable basement. The bathroom and storage closed that contains all the well and water softening equipment is not shown. The expansion I am designing now is Phase IV. As you can see from the floor plan there are option for Phase V and beyond. There are a lot of years between now and completing the first four phases.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-171218151501.jpeg&hash=6a1596e5cfa365c22dc1f40c5f292fcd1e48a3b2)
Quote from: vinceg on December 17, 2018, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
Yep - some questions are off-limits to me. One of those is how much you spend on your hobbies. You're much more polite.
Vince
It is usually one of my wife's friends asking the question and I know my wife knows how much I spent on golf back in the day. Especially, when it was part of my job.
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
John,
My response to the money question is, "Don't know and don't care. Can't put a price on the fun I'm having building the empire."
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on December 17, 2018, 03:29:19 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
John,
My response to the money question is, "Don't know and don't care. Can't put a price on the fun I'm having building the empire."
Tom ;D
Tom
That is a good answer. And I would add you meet a lot of great people in this hobby, too.
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: vinceg on December 17, 2018, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
Yep - some questions are off-limits to me. One of those is how much you spend on your hobbies. You're much more polite.
Vince
It is usually one of my wife's friends asking the question and I know my wife knows how much I spent on golf back in the day. Especially, when it was part of my job.
That was fantastic pre-planning to ensure your post-retirement train budget would be intact ;D ...I need to start playing (and spending) more golf to set the stage.
Quote from: cuse on December 19, 2018, 06:28:50 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: vinceg on December 17, 2018, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on December 17, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
Mark and Tom
Thank you for the inspiring comments. The two most common questions that I'm asked by visitors to my layout is; do you think you will every finish it?, and how much money do you have in it? I always answer the first with that depends on how long I live. The second question I answer by saying the same amount that I would have spent on golf if I would have kept playing.
Yep - some questions are off-limits to me. One of those is how much you spend on your hobbies. You're much more polite.
Vince
It is usually one of my wife's friends asking the question and I know my wife knows how much I spent on golf back in the day. Especially, when it was part of my job.
That was fantastic pre-planning to ensure your post-retirement train budget would be intact ;D ...I need to start playing (and spending) more golf to set the stage.
You need a plan John :) ;D
That will be a nice addition. 15 years ago I started buying stuff I thought would come in handy for the retirement time of the hobby , still havent retired and most of my dcc stuff is now ancient :-[
Quote from: Lynnb on December 19, 2018, 08:50:51 PM
That will be a nice addition. 15 years ago I started buying stuff I thought would come in handy for the retirement time of the hobby , still havent retired and most of my dcc stuff is now ancient :-[
Thanks Lynn - I have found that the older DCC stuff works just fine. The sound decoders have come a long way over the years.
Merry Christmas from the Management and Crew of the Superior & Seattle Railroad. We will be running trains and enjoying having the family together for the next few days.
Hi John,
Merry Christmas to you as well. The layout is nothing short of amazing!
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on December 23, 2018, 11:42:20 AM
Hi John,
Merry Christmas to you as well. The layout is nothing short of amazing!
Bruce
Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread.
Update: I new year is starting on the Superior & Seattle Railroad. I have two build threads going that chronicle the structure builds. The Threadwell's and Delabarre builds and the just started today Schwarz Foundry - aka FSM Sewall's Foundry. I made the first pour of water in the mill pond of Threadwell's today. Here is a progress picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-020119195706.jpeg&hash=55c00ce28869c4c0c0380578f4ba3df57ded1ed0)
My other big project is the completion of the Eagles Nest Yard. I will be installing the rest of the track, the switch machines, the control panels, and the detail scenery. The plan is to switch back and forth between this project and the structure builds.
In the spring when the weather is good enough to work in my garage, I plan on constructing the benchwork and doing the track work for the layout extension that was discussed above.
So thats the plan, until I change it. ;)
This weeks update pictures. The inside lights of the Threadwell's and Delabarre builds.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060119193936.jpeg&hash=032ca0f9f16f9c46ee1eb516061312862661a449)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060119194114.jpeg&hash=5f4780ac0d5582bce81d1cbfaf1820cea0082c94)
Nice job with the lighting John.
Lights look good John.
Jim
It was moving day on the S&S RR today. I decided to bring the Threadwell's diorama into the layout room for the final details and scenery.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120119175931.jpeg&hash=59557907a7d1735d0fa09e49832184e76c0f3808)
This is the backside - it will be rotated 180 degrees and moved back about 6 feet into it's final location.
The front side before it was moved into the layout room.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120119175049.jpeg&hash=3d39629a78ac3331e91a83887a06c00df1e6c380)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120119175143.jpeg&hash=d41a4df7440552e63ac90850b35174b3143ba78c)
OMG! Absolutely Beautiful John!
;D ;D ;D
Hey John:
Wow really looks great.
Karl
Wow...that's going to be an amazing scene when you drop it in and fill in the rock work, etc.
John
Yes, indeed a spectacular scene.
John, now that you have been through a couple of water techniques, do you have any recommendations? Maybe a better question is what are you going to do for your next water scene? Acrylic or resin or something else?
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on January 12, 2019, 07:56:40 PM
OMG! Absolutely Beautiful John!
;D ;D ;D
Bruce
Thank you for the kind words and for following along as we build a railroad.
Quote from: postalkarl on January 12, 2019, 08:11:19 PM
Hey John:
Wow really looks great.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, Bob made some great kits.
Quote from: cuse on January 12, 2019, 09:55:53 PM
Wow...that's going to be an amazing scene when you drop it in and fill in the rock work, etc.
John
John
Thank you for following along - I really can't wait to see how this ends up looking. Once I brought it into the room I'm really motivated to get it done and in place. I also have empty workbenches to fill up with new projects. ;) I will be building Sewall's Foundry (now known as Scwartz Foundry), Fox Run Milling and Swankhammers Welding as my next three builds.
Quote from: vinceg on January 13, 2019, 07:09:00 AM
Yes, indeed a spectacular scene.
John, now that you have been through a couple of water techniques, do you have any recommendations? Maybe a better question is what are you going to do for your next water scene? Acrylic or resin or something else?
Vince
All my future water scenes, I have a bunch of them planned, will start with resin. The Acrylics will stay in the tool box for wave and waterfall affects.
In the process of loading my cart with all the remaining subassemblies and detailing tool & supplies, an amazing thing happened. All three workbenches were clean and the tools put away at the same time. I thought I would take pictures to document that it can happen. How long will it take me to get all the tools on one workbench, again. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130119115524.jpeg&hash=9f1b0a4d171e1e2ee47b24b9ed226862b59d4c92)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130119115600.jpeg&hash=864c25c8d9f3f740a8a1ee123582bd395f8f9312)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130119115634.jpeg&hash=7e7ac3a1db63b2d52f8eac306c5bfd00dd7d53c4)
Let the next three builds begin.
John, that is a lot of clear workbench space, I will bet it gets filled up soon.
Jim
John , that looks awful , the empty workbenches , what a sad sight ;)
Quote from: jimmillho on January 13, 2019, 12:21:33 PM
John, that is a lot of clear workbench space, I will bet it gets filled up soon.
Jim
Jim
I have already started. ;)
Quote from: Janbouli on January 13, 2019, 12:53:20 PM
John , that looks awful , the empty workbenches , what a sad sight ;)
Jan
Your right, I need to get them filled up again as quick as possible.
John the diorama looks wonderful. Excellent job on those two buildings.
Jerry
John,
Wow, they surely do look fantastic. Great job on the structures and diorama, it must weight a lot.
Tom ;D
Your latest build looks great and the water redo came out really well.
A fantastic scene, John!
I was looking back over your plan - I did some figures to work out where my 'large' layout would fit and yours is enormous! Do all the numbers refer to pages of the thread? It is a truly mammoth project!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: Jerry on January 13, 2019, 11:39:49 PM
John the diorama looks wonderful. Excellent job on those two buildings.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the kind words.
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 14, 2019, 08:18:46 AM
John,
Wow, they surely do look fantastic. Great job on the structures and diorama, it must weight a lot.
Tom ;D
Thank you for the kind words my friend. It doesn't weight to much, lots of foam. I would guess 30 pounds. Most of the weight is the stones I added for the scenery.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 14, 2019, 10:27:34 AM
Your latest build looks great and the water redo came out really well.
Curt
Thank you - I'm happy with the water for the location on the layout. The big surprise for me on the redo was how much the acrylic materials darkened the colors I used for the bottom of the pond.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on January 14, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
A fantastic scene, John!
I was looking back over your plan - I did some figures to work out where my 'large' layout would fit and yours is enormous! Do all the numbers refer to pages of the thread? It is a truly mammoth project!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
This layout is a lifetime project so yes it's big by home layout standards. The current layout is about 1200 square feet minus the areas for the furnace and workshop. The addition that I will be getting started on this summer will be another 20 x 40 feet but more than half of that space will be crew quarters. Any future expansion will consume crew quarters space currently unapproved for expansion by the CFO of the S&S RR. ;) CFO=Boss=wife.
The numbers that you see on the diagram are track power block numbers. Each block of track can be turned on and off by the switches you see on the lower benchwork. This really helps when I leave a pair of pliers inside one of tunnels and need to find a short. It also allows me to turn off the sound to a locomotive when it's on a storage siding. The layout has 9 power districts and 120 power blocks as currently designed.
Do you have a "it's finally dry" photo of the water?
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 14, 2019, 03:01:31 PM
Do you have a "it's finally dry" photo of the water?
dave
Dave
Not yet, I have the diorama on the layout with the back facing me for additional work. I will turn it around in the next couple of days and take a "it's finally dry photograph". The pond is dry but the water in water fall area is still curing.
Looking forward to it! I thought you might need a couple more days of cure.
dave
Quote from: deemery on January 14, 2019, 04:13:40 PM
Looking forward to it! I thought you might need a couple more days of cure.
dave
Dave
I looked at it this afternoon and it will be a few days for the waterfall area to cure. I think it has more to do with temperature than humidity. The temperature in the house is 70 degrees now with the furnace running. When I was working on the water for the Mackenzie Mill it was 78 degrees with the air running.
Today, was a big day on the S&S RR, the Threadwell diorama was moved into position on the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119202714.jpeg&hash=396b9bfeb701111c0e6bc0c9a4e2c0f2bf8fcb16)
I decided to do all of the scenery and final detailing work in position. The following pictures show the module sitting in place in it's final position. Now all the landforms need to be blended into the surrounding scenery.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119202753.jpeg&hash=1e8b382389c7b406fc41599a66f037b830ed091a)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119202838.jpeg&hash=f59768791e1bcd91a4031b2a63abad94ed5526b3)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119202920.jpeg&hash=6bf98a8aaea200342c7a3eb993d2eba09b95c14b)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119203031.jpeg&hash=e764cc7acbf3e9344b91bc6382a1915d9ad9aae3)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119203123.jpeg&hash=6c6d75eadeeb59768b588b84eb2ab84dd501a86a)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119203204.jpeg&hash=73125af74351d86b6e0394ff66fb0e785116f234)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119203301.jpeg&hash=013e67569df2375fd8fb543bc5a88c777d1f519f)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119203341.jpeg&hash=bfcfb174a78f03a47682e715cf3e560c26c6761c)
The night shot. This is with my iPhone, which is overwhelmed by the outside gooseneck lights. When I complete the scenery and final detailing work I will get out the SLR and take some good pictures of the final scene.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160119203413.jpeg&hash=3cacf2763d17c12865960655ba1e9aa74f629488)
I decided to share all the pictures I download into my iPad for markup of the final scene. Let the scenery designing begin.
WOW
Spectastic!
WOW is right. What a beautiful build John.
Really awesome John
Doug
Quote from: NKP768 on January 17, 2019, 09:54:09 AM
Really awesome John
Doug
Doug
Thank you for following along and the kind words.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on January 17, 2019, 09:31:09 AM
WOW is right. What a beautiful build John.
Curt
Thank you,
John,
This is truly a perfect fit for the area, I love it my friend. Fantastic job and well worth all the effort.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 17, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
John,
This is truly a perfect fit for the area, I love it my friend. Fantastic job and well worth all the effort.
Tom ;D
What he said. Awesome looking addition to your layout.
Jim
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 17, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
John,
This is truly a perfect fit for the area, I love it my friend. Fantastic job and well worth all the effort.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words.
Hey John:
It gets a big WOW!!!!! for me to. You have a beautiful RR.
Karl
John,
Awesome scene / structures. You have truly captured the Colorado scenery, structures and look. wonderful job my friend. KUDO's
Frank / Erieman
Quote from: postalkarl on January 18, 2019, 02:46:34 PM
Hey John:
It gets a big WOW!!!!! for me to. You have a beautiful RR.
Karl
Karl
Thank you Karl. I'm really motivated to finish the scenery in this area and give it that finished look.
Quote from: jimmillho on January 17, 2019, 07:08:56 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on January 17, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
John,
This is truly a perfect fit for the area, I love it my friend. Fantastic job and well worth all the effort.
Tom ;D
What he said. Awesome looking addition to your layout.
Jim
Thank you Jim.
Quote from: Erieman on January 20, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
John,
Awesome scene / structures. You have truly captured the Colorado scenery, structures and look. wonderful job my friend. KUDO's
Frank / Erieman
Thank you Frank. I can't wait to finish the scenery and take some final pictures.
Hi John,
Well you get another big WOW from me to. Just amazing!
Quote from: sdrees on January 20, 2019, 09:44:02 PM
Hi John,
Well you get another big WOW from me to. Just amazing!
Thank you for the complements.
Final pictures in a week or so.
I was back in Aspen tree production mode today on the Superior & Seattle RR. At the end of the day there were 245 more Aspen trees ready to be planted this week. This brings the total number of trees on the layout to 2561.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-260119211026.jpeg&hash=de2b26b3de9f60c2d957c0d3fe5bab4273139b71)
Are you sure it's 2561, really sure , I will count them when I visit your layout ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Janbouli on January 27, 2019, 06:42:56 AM
Are you sure it's 2561, really sure , I will count them when I visit your layout ;D ;D ;D
I hope you do make it over here to count my trees. ;) I count them when there hanging on the strings drying after each batch and record the number in my layout facts sheet. The number is pretty good unless I forgot to record a batch then it's off by 200 or so. ;) It is interesting to keep track of a few things about the layout - like I'm on bag number 34 of plaster. Each bag is 100 lbs. so there are 3400 lbs of plaster in the mountains - minus what got spilled and thrown out over the years.
Well, you only need 1 original Aspen. The rest are all just clones :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonal_colony
dave
Now that's a lot of trees.
I will wait for Jan to count them.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on January 27, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
Now that's a lot of trees.
I will wait for Jan to count them.
Jim
Don't count on that too soon ;)
Quote from: deemery on January 27, 2019, 10:58:18 AM
Well, you only need 1 original Aspen. The rest are all just clones :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonal_colony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonal_colony)
dave
Dave
I haven't had much luck with the first ones that I planted sprouting roots and growing more sprouts. I must be doing something wrong. :-[
Quote from: jimmillho on January 27, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
Now that's a lot of trees.
I will wait for Jan to count them.
Jim
It sounds like Jan has got himself an assignment.
Quote from: Janbouli on January 27, 2019, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: jimmillho on January 27, 2019, 02:20:51 PM
Now that's a lot of trees.
I will wait for Jan to count them.
Jim
Don't count on that too soon ;)
By the time you get here you will have even more to count.
I have been splitting my time between four different projects the last couple of weeks. I'm adding the scenery around the Threadwell's and Delabarre builds, I have started my next two structure builds Sewall's ( my Challenge build) and Fox Run Milling, I'm also finishing the Eagles nest yard track work including the track for the Stone Round house. This will include the electronics for the turnouts and the new control panel that will control the turnouts. I will be adding some pictures in the next few days of each project. To get things started, here is the progress pictures of the base builds for Sewall's and the Fox Run. These two builds will go in the Eagles Nest Yard area right next to each other so I'm combining the baseboards.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-020219205043.jpeg&hash=d25ffe704840c1d335737f15795b524b8e87f815)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-020219205118.jpeg&hash=4ada21065aa231566d0503f78f6f36e003811b34)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-020219205151.jpeg&hash=f3f063f2d1d07dafc879958bdcc4f96ab8c13e23)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-020219213935.jpeg&hash=c4b11b2bbf3f39474c827342f612a6727b33c925)
For my builds of these two kits the pit area will extend into the Schwarz Foundry area. The wood base will go through the plywood base that is part of the benchwork. I will need to do some cutting. The pit will have a wood floor that I will cut to look like concrete.The wood and metal castings that George supplies with the kit will be glued to my wood frame.
Just getting caught up John. Looks great.
Is there any special way your making the aspens?
Jerry
John, That is quite impressive.
I will be watching and learning.
Jim
Quote from: Jerry on February 03, 2019, 10:41:37 AM
Just getting caught up John. Looks great.
Is there any special way your making the aspens?
Jerry
Jerry
If you look back in the thread I posted all the detail on my process for making the aspen trees. I'm using the super trees for the armatures and painting them the off white color with black spots. The main thing, as far as I'm concerned, is use more than one color of yellow. I use three. I also mix in a few green leaves and the orange that is so common in the mountains of the west that I'm modeling. The other thing that makes a big difference is don't use too much flock. You want to be able to see through the tree. This is the hardest thing to learn because all of the trees you see in the catalogs have way to much flock. Sorry, but they are selling flock. That's about it - nothing to special but it what I'm doing.
I took hundreds of photographs of the aspens in the mountain I'm modeling and just tried to match what I see in the photographs.
Quote from: jimmillho on February 03, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
John, That is quite impressive.
I will be watching and learning.
Jim
Jim
Thanks for following along.
I completed the base for the Sewall/ Schwarz Foundry and Fox Run Milling builds, today. Here is a few pictures that describe the process I used to build the base for the builds. Before I added the bottom of the pit area I took the base to the layout and cut the hole for the pit in the layout benchwork.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219192323.jpeg&hash=e4cefa0a301dd7caaa3bdf8cdd3f56e014e7c323)
After marking the outline it was time to get out the saw.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219192236.jpeg&hash=8383d79cf887e5a7d402680e3ec24503c9f65a3a)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219192113.jpeg&hash=aa7c81e36af75367afe4f43e3128a2c3bb69f531)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219192036.jpeg&hash=cc96234d0d9e6b49408bf682b51ed8678fd6d3da)
I then added the bottom to the pit.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219191011.jpeg&hash=4ec72b16f1e9daabadc37be0ca76994dd9bf6631)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219191135.jpeg&hash=e723fc131d7a08081a0ce761ed6b3b20103f261d)
The finished base on the workbench ready for the assembly process.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219191239.jpeg&hash=adeefe9b0821969f423cdfd0e2ad4739aad68c0c)
On another front, I added some signs to the S&S RR Locomotive works. I continued the tradition from the Stone Roundhouse of adding name plates over the stalls. Wayne Olson works on the layout with me. And Frank Baker aka ERIEMAN, here on the forum, helped with the design of the Locomotive Works. Yes, the name plates cover the joint between the castings.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219194053.jpeg&hash=703c7f49699947916b4cad1a45e578136c9bcc1c)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219194013.jpeg&hash=1480d04babe55962070a198278fe6a88e27bfaf1)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030219193931.jpeg&hash=ee12bcce76af6b069123d620f297a1ecfc97c6b7)
Those eagles look so cool , what a great sign.
Quote from: Janbouli on February 03, 2019, 07:54:00 PM
Those eagles look so cool , what a great sign.
Jan
Thank you, they were a good find.
I have been following your layout build the entire time and I am quite impressed. I'm also quite envious.
Dave
Seattle
Quote from: DACS on February 04, 2019, 07:13:48 AM
I have been following your layout build the entire time and I am quite impressed. I'm also quite envious.
Dave
Seattle
Dave
Thank you for following along and the kind words. I'm having fun with it.
Quote from: S&S RR on October 13, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
Next, it's time to get the benchwork ready for the 8 F&SM kits that will occupy this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-131018173413.jpeg&hash=55508efb18276cc3dc866b7969469014c255c315)
John, I think you better scale back on the size of your people population. The one in the picture is way out of scale.
Dave
Seattle
The background with the trees is very nicely done.
Quote from: DACS on February 05, 2019, 07:39:39 AM
Quote from: S&S RR on October 13, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
Next, it's time to get the benchwork ready for the 8 F&SM kits that will occupy this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-131018173413.jpeg&hash=55508efb18276cc3dc866b7969469014c255c315)
John, I think you better scale back on the size of your people population. The one in the picture is way out of scale.
Dave
Seattle
Dave
You got that right. Wayne like to come over and play with my little people in the yard.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 05, 2019, 10:14:45 AM
The background with the trees is very nicely done.
Curt
Thank you for the kind words. I think that the structures look a lot better in a natural setting. And all of it looks better with a train running through the scene.
Today, I finished up the scenery around the Threadwell's build planted on the layout. I was hoping to get some picture tonight but it got too late. I should have some pictures posted, tomorrow. Please stay tuned.
John,
You sure do some nice work! I have really enjoyed following along with your progress.
Seth P.
Minnesota
I'm tuned! Does that mean at 12:01 am we can expect pictures??
Or at first daylight!!! :)
Can't wait!!
Jerry
Quote from: pbltrains on February 09, 2019, 12:35:50 AM
John,
You sure do some nice work! I have really enjoyed following along with your progress.
Seth P.
Minnesota
Seth
Thank you for following along and the kind words. I'm working on a progress report with pictures.
Quote from: Jerry on February 09, 2019, 03:37:01 PM
I'm tuned! Does that mean at 12:01 am we can expect pictures??
Or at first daylight!!! :)
Can't wait!!
Jerry
Jerry
I'm working on the pictures as I type this. The boss (CFO of the S&S RR) gave me an assignment so it will be later this evening ;) ;D
Here is a sneak peak.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219162538.jpeg&hash=4b38113bac2d9d0d51f74aab68ef5ca1f32a622a)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219163359.jpeg&hash=aee7249156f9c33d5c4347f340854b9940311514)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219163223.jpeg&hash=2e6e58a5ccef4796de3791325668113650a80e1d)
Okay, the rest will have to wait until I finish with budget negotiations. ;)
What a very nice scene. Two thumbs up.
Eric
Great scene John
Quote from: EricQuebec on February 09, 2019, 04:47:59 PM
What a very nice scene. Two thumbs up.
Eric
Eric
Thank you for the kind words. I think I enjoy the scenery building as much as the structure building.
Quote from: Janbouli on February 09, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Great scene John
Jan
Thank you - I will be posting some more detailed pictures later this evening.
Great scene John.
Here are a few more pictures that show the detail and the area from a few different angles.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219190327.jpeg&hash=bd824e9b8f07068623fea1029123e9fa82451eea)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219192852.jpeg&hash=b114c5041cdf219550f939f2a2005be64978360f)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219192934.jpeg&hash=3fa9d690fe2ec4ea757743f916c9cd721cf5f93b)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219193210.jpeg&hash=4195630582f36b8a672f74c8e9cf6ef22b4a44c7)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219193316.jpeg&hash=40711eeef9e2e80162b6b5afcac72a61c6a0d9ad)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200131.jpeg&hash=7482f07cd6fcf61b8a7c15c6c207521cd6101c4e)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200213.jpeg&hash=c16ca9fad0d452e40f25f0d64ff172d1685a62ae)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200300.jpeg&hash=5ccf6914c0110f720949a6c83e0c3a23fa944810)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200337.jpeg&hash=3950bc6d91ca672d6cdc3d2e8303614111c21a62)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200417.jpeg&hash=2106a60abb9d3ba47a6707b8a08d6dba76e233dd)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200457.jpeg&hash=1c7d8ecfce34922c94c4e1ec622d7c07a1f8539d)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200528.jpeg&hash=26aa19a327c768af6de89b761557358f8ee2f5ee)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200610.jpeg&hash=f009ea1e8ab666867f2e67bba27b6aa48f569aac)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200651.jpeg&hash=0e6b622435861b5136a586c114e47d5c94682f8f)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219200846.jpeg&hash=33b3a186a7bea187139c58a1014aaf111572aa08)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090219201011.jpeg&hash=aa41763164a0dbe6f195ff96d152da9b5d90d601)
The last few pictures of the trestle are intended to give you a perspective of where the new structures are placed in relation to my previous 5 or 6 builds.
Hi John,
The scene with your new structures has turned out just terrific.
Quote from: sdrees on February 09, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
Hi John,
The scene with your new structures has turned out just terrific.
Steve
Thank you for the encouraging words.
Awesome Scene John.
The trees look fantastic.
Jim
Once again everything looks awesome. I really like the look of the dead tree lying on the slope.
WOW!
Majestic, I love how you've made the scenery dwarf the trains, something normally done in my scale.
EPIC
John,
Well done, very well done.
Tom ;D
Gorgeous, John. Are you able to get some overhead pics that show how the water plays into the whole scene?
John,
The rock work and aspens really frame Vogel's and Threadwell's. They looked great on the workbench, but simply gorgeous against the mountain scenery.
Looking good John!
Quote from: jimmillho on February 09, 2019, 09:16:40 PM
Awesome Scene John.
The trees look fantastic.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along and the encouraging words.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 09, 2019, 09:21:35 PM
Once again everything looks awesome. I really like the look of the dead tree lying on the slope.
Curt
Thank you, I thought the dead tree would look great there. Something a little different.
Quote from: Dave K. on February 09, 2019, 09:30:48 PM
WOW!
Thanks Dave. I had a lot of fun taking the pictures, yesterday. Now on to the next build.
Quote from: Janbouli on February 09, 2019, 09:39:19 PM
Majestic, I love how you've made the scenery dwarf the trains, something normally done in my scale.
Jan
Thank you, I actually parked the locomotive on the trestle to try and give the pictures some scale. The trees and mountain have to be the right size in any scale to make the scene work. I'm very careful about the size of the trees to create distance. The largest trees are 15 inches high and the smallest are 2 inches high in these pictures. My friend Wayne Olson commented when we first started adding the trees that the walls of the room moved back 10 feet as we were planting them. The diameter of the trunks on the Aspen trees is also getting smaller as you move back into the scene.
Quote from: ACL1504 on February 10, 2019, 08:09:31 AM
John,
Well done, very well done.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you, it's sure nice to have a few areas on the layout that are starting to look finished.
John that is one awesome scene!!
The buildings look great but that scenery really shows off your skills.
The picture with the dead tree is one of the best I've ever seen!!
It was well worth the wait!!
Jerry
Uprooted tree is a scenery game changer, well done!
Chris
Quote from: vinceg on February 10, 2019, 08:15:02 AM
Gorgeous, John. Are you able to get some overhead pics that show how the water plays into the whole scene?
Vince
Thank you for the kind words and yes I took a couple pictures for my planing that I can mark up and show the current plan for the river. I need to add them to the gallery so I can post them. I will be back to this in a few.
Quote from: jerryrbeach on February 10, 2019, 08:52:18 AM
John,
The rock work and aspens really frame Vogel's and Threadwell's. They looked great on the workbench, but simply gorgeous against the mountain scenery.
Jerry
Thanks you for the kind words - planning the colors for the buildings while they were on the work bench with a picture in my head of how the scenery was going to look kept my brain busy. I love it when a plan comes together. I also love doing the scenery work because it makes such a big difference to the look of the layout.
Quote from: Jerry on February 10, 2019, 01:28:06 PM
John that is one awesome scene!!
The buildings look great but that scenery really shows off your skills.
The picture with the dead tree is one of the best I've ever seen!!
It was well worth the wait!!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for the encouraging words and for waiting. ;)
Quote from: chris.mincemoyer on February 10, 2019, 02:17:52 PM
Uprooted tree is a scenery game changer, well done!
Chris
Chris
I have been looking for the right place to put that tree for over a year. Don Ledger from AZ developed the process to create it and gave that one to me. Amazing what you can do with a piece of rope and glue. I will be adding some other scenery features to the layout using Don's process.
Now, to answer Vince's question regarding the path for the river. Here is a view of the mill pond from a higher angle. I added some leaves to the pond but they are only visible with a fly over view of the layout. The River flows into the pond through the 3 culverts. After being used by the mill the water falls down to form the river.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100219202912.jpeg&hash=87c020650ff19ae161bd3357bed0d401859531ab)
The river path can bee seen in this picture marked up in blue. I have some benchwork and track work to make this happen. The North side of the River is VanGelder, the South Side will be the town of Sellios.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100219202952.jpeg&hash=60341c34715911de6df5b8cd9b344bb832039ac3)
The river will pass under mainline just before reaching the mill pond for Salyes - another Bob VanGelder kit.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100219203034.jpeg&hash=50526ba754a6f4c5c249920fe14bec3ef8d836cf)
After leaving the mill pond for Salyes Mill the River continues along the East side of the Mountain Valley and then leaves the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100219205134.jpeg&hash=292ea1356af4dcf6804c75113be308f723955d0a)
All of the plywood and open area you see in the pictures will all be structures and mini scenes. This is an area 5 x 10 feet. How many structures do you think I will use to fill this area? I'm in the process of designing the town.
The mountain plateau east and above the river will be the town of Gallent. Brent Gallent has already designed all of the kits that will make up this mountain town. The final piece of that puzzle is his soon to be released kit Riverfront. At least 6 - maybe more of Brent's kits will find their way to this area in one form or another. I like to make changes and also like combining pieces from one kit with those from another. The holes and one tunnel you see in the picture are left over from my previous layout. Gallent is serviced by both the standard gauge and the Narrow Gauge Trains. So now that you know the plan you can follow along as it gets implemented and changed over the next few years. This summer I'm planing a large extension to the layout that will be the Superior Yard. A large classification yard and storage area for all of my rolling stock and locomotives. The idea is to have a place to store the trains - most of which are in boxes now, while I work on the rest of the layout. The goal is to be able to run trains any time. To-date there have been long periods of time when that wasn't possible because of the construction. I should also mention that I plan on completing the Eagles Nest Yard (I have about 8-10 structures to build) along with track work and turnouts to electrify, before I will get back to the towns of VanGelder, Sellios, and Gallent.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100219203109.jpeg&hash=771cf65f30225484a2cc5d4019daec35554f5454)
Looks terrific John. I enjoy following your build. Jim
Quote from: jrmueller on February 11, 2019, 08:21:30 AM
Looks terrific John. I enjoy following your build. Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along, and the kind words. This layout keeps me out of trouble.
John,
I love your plans for all this open space. I will be watching as you go.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on February 11, 2019, 10:56:47 AM
John,
I love your plans for all this open space. I will be watching as you go.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along. Now to implement the plan.
Looking really great John!
Hal
Your layout is really amazing, John. I've seen museum-scale layouts (like San Diego) and I've seen exquisitely detailed layouts. You have a rare combination of both. Fun to watch you work.
Quote from: halrey on February 11, 2019, 03:51:30 PM
Looking really great John!
Hal
Hal
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I plan to use the bridge I bought from you a couple years ago spanning the river you see in my plan sketch.
Quote from: vinceg on February 11, 2019, 06:14:42 PM
Your layout is really amazing, John. I've seen museum-scale layouts (like San Diego) and I've seen exquisitely detailed layouts. You have a rare combination of both. Fun to watch you work.
Vince
Thank you for following along - it will be years before it is close to being finished but I'm enjoying the journey. I hope you can make it over here for a visit.
Now that we have reviewed part of the plan, it's time to get back to building. As I mentioned above, I'm working on the electrification of the Eagles Nest Yard, I will also be busy at the work bench with structure builds. As is my tradition, I will again have three structure builds going at the same time. I have a good start on the Sewall's Foundry FSM kit (see thread in kit builds). This build will share a baseboard with the FSM kit Fox Run (I will post progress pictures on this thread), and the castings are being processed for Swankhammer's Welding (this one will be called "Grandpa John's Welding", for my Dad). It has been over 18 years since my Dad has worked on the layout with me. I will post a picture when we get going on this build that I took on one of his last visits. Yesterday, was 25 years since we moved into this house, so the benchwork for my previous layout, which is underneath everything you see now, was started 24 years ago. So here is a fit up picture of the base for Sewall's and Fox Run just before the pieces headed for the painting process.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130219133546.jpeg&hash=96eaf67295894be719a74afc142d4d2dd23a70cb)
The left side stone wall has already been to the paint booth for the sand base coat.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130219133633.jpeg&hash=722fe15be4b14c71d6298d9345ea1a9a92a54cd8)
Looking good, John.
Always a pleasure to watch your layout evolve. I do enjoy seeing the bare bones and then watching as things slowly (often not so slowly!) change.
5' by 10' - at least 100!!! (OK - that's me - but still plenty! How many does George fit into Franklin???!!!)
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on February 13, 2019, 09:02:11 PM
Looking good, John.
Always a pleasure to watch your layout evolve. I do enjoy seeing the bare bones and then watching as things slowly (often not so slowly!) change.
5' by 10' - at least 100!!! (OK - that's me - but still plenty! How many does George fit into Franklin???!!!)
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for stopping by the thread - your number might be pretty close when it's all said and done. I hope you continue to follow along. I'm watching your progress, too.
I started making structure placement decisions for the Sewall's / Fox Run builds today. I confirmed the track placement so I glued it down.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150219202252.jpeg&hash=ad59cede0db810b5dd90595c52c7bf901f2a3a6b)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150219202611.jpeg&hash=9b1dccfb21f76840af293c6ce1d8052f51655953)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150219202653.jpeg&hash=246b75f41aa01c08d3c538e2304e2c47f77295f6)
On the new tools front. I bought some glue tubs a few months ago from Rockler that I don't think I have posted about. They are made of silicone rubber and glue just doesn't stick to them. White glue, carpenter's glue, gallery glass, etc. just peels off. Here is a picture of the tub after one days use and then a second picture showing how I pulled the glue all in one piece out of the tub. They also sell paddles of different sizes for applying glue that work the same way. I really like them - I bought 3 tubes, one for each workbench on sale for about $10. I liked them so well that I bought the bench matts made of the same material for two of my workbenches. The blue pads in the pictures above.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150219202408.jpeg&hash=2e5b2471caf1ac08d49dc9393192d23e317bbf94)
The glue just peels off in one big chunk (the pile on the left side of the tube).
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150219202446.jpeg&hash=ff210def9f1af767894ebcc0d336f6fcdc4f8528)
Tomorrow, I'm starting the electrification of Eagles Nest Yard. I started today by placing the tools I will need on the benchwork so I can reach them when I stick my head through the benchwork cutout. I don't want to have to keep crawling back and forth under the layout to get tools.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150219202336.jpeg&hash=839befa49bc7c8f76c9dd1fd7535ac9f87ef094b)
I will also be finishing the scenery and detailing in this area as soon as everything is operational. I have more track, turnouts, turnout controls, turntable, and wiring to complete.
Awesome John.
Jim
Pretty cool......... sir
see ya
Bob
You just amaze me!! Your planning ahead is something everyone should learn to do.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on February 16, 2019, 01:18:11 PM
You just amaze me!! Your planning ahead is something everyone should learn to do.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along - the planning is the way I'm wired. I'm an Engineer by profession so that's the part of the hobby that comes naturally to me.
Great progress John. You make it look easy putting all of the elements of your railroad together in beautiful scenes. Where did you buy those silicone tubs? They're pretty cool.
Quote from: MAP on February 17, 2019, 06:12:13 AM
Great progress John. You make it look easy putting all of the elements of your railroad together in beautiful scenes. Where did you buy those silicone tubs? They're pretty cool.
Mark
Thank you for following along and the kind words. The silicone tubs came from a company called Rockler. They are a wood working supply company.
John, your discussion of the Rockler silicone tubs made me look for similar items on Amazon. I saw some silicone mini cupcake "wrappers" that I'll try as glue tubs. I'll try one, and save the rest of them for cupcakes. :-)
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 17, 2019, 10:25:48 AM
John, your discussion of the Rockler silicone tubs made me look for similar items on Amazon. I saw some silicone mini cupcake "wrappers" that I'll try as glue tubs. I'll try one, and save the rest of them for cupcakes. :-)
dave
Dave
Interesting - let us know how they work. I'm not sure I want cupcakes cooked in silicone wrappers. Let us know if they come with a bunch of stickers on them from California. I think my mom used to use paper wrappers.
The baseboard is ready for structures for the Sewall's and Fox Run Milling builds.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-170219202408.jpeg&hash=40189a7a971bf37be66caac4229a655e5778b5ea)
I made some progress on the Stone Roundhouse electrification and detailing today. I cleaned up the benchwork and painted it black in preparation for the track extensions that will attach the roundhouse tracks to to the turntable. There will also be a number of sidings around the turntable for outside locomotive storage. The track in this area will be mounted directly plywood.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-200219185738.jpeg&hash=f6be37a578f26179f0656846144926dd3d8d9058)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-200219185812.jpeg&hash=3225a4856638bf51fb99ff54ca9fee83593f4b67)
The turntable is in and wired for the Stone Roundhouse. I forgot to mention, yesterday, that I taped all of the seams in the plywood benchwork before I painted it black. Once all the feeder tracks are in place and tested this area will receive a layer of sand and then ballast.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-220219185953.jpeg&hash=2e00b37654d29b386ab6a490f1557eede3d43405)
I finished the day, today, grinding the tapper on the feeder tracks and cutting the shims required to matchup all the different levels of track to the turntable.
Fantastic, John! Beautiful job on all the SRMW and FSM kits. What's not to like?!
I agree, superb modeling John. Thank you for sharing.
ed
I got those mini-cupcakes silicone cups and tried some glues in them today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO)
MEK had no effect/no damage, it just flashed off.
Thin CA flakes off, but it pulls a little bit of the silicone with it.
PVA just popped off.
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 22, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
I got those mini-cupcakes silicone cups and tried some glues in them today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO)
MEK had no effect/no damage, it just flashed off.
Thin CA flakes off, but it pulls a little bit of the silicone with it.
PVA just popped off.
dave
How do cupcakes work? :P
Quote from: vinceg on February 22, 2019, 07:40:49 PM
Fantastic, John! Beautiful job on all the SRMW and FSM kits. What's not to like?!
Vince
Thanks for stopping by the thread and for the kind words.
Quote from: engine909 on February 22, 2019, 08:28:20 PM
I agree, superb modeling John. Thank you for sharing.
ed
Ed
Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by the thread to see what I'm up to.
Quote from: vinceg on February 23, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: deemery on February 22, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
I got those mini-cupcakes silicone cups and tried some glues in them today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO)
MEK had no effect/no damage, it just flashed off.
Thin CA flakes off, but it pulls a little bit of the silicone with it.
PVA just popped off.
dave
How do cupcakes work? :P
You put them in your mouth and chew :-)
dave
Quote from: deemery on February 22, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
I got those mini-cupcakes silicone cups and tried some glues in them today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO)
MEK had no effect/no damage, it just flashed off.
Thin CA flakes off, but it pulls a little bit of the silicone with it.
PVA just popped off.
dave
Dave
It sounds like they will work as well as the tubs I bought. And your workbench will be more colorful.
Quote from: vinceg on February 23, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: deemery on February 22, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
I got those mini-cupcakes silicone cups and tried some glues in them today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO)
MEK had no effect/no damage, it just flashed off.
Thin CA flakes off, but it pulls a little bit of the silicone with it.
PVA just popped off.
dave
How do cupcakes work? :P
Vince
If you scroll up a page or two, I talked about some silicone glue tubs that I bought. Dave found some silicone cupcake holders on amazon and was reporting that they worked the same way.
Quote from: deemery on February 23, 2019, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: vinceg on February 23, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: deemery on February 22, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
I got those mini-cupcakes silicone cups and tried some glues in them today. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HMW7XTO)
MEK had no effect/no damage, it just flashed off.
Thin CA flakes off, but it pulls a little bit of the silicone with it.
PVA just popped off.
dave
How do cupcakes work? :P
You put them in your mouth and chew :-)
dave
I lost control of my thread again ;)
Another great update.
John question for you what thickness & grade is the plywood your using?
And what kind of tape did you use on the seams?
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on February 23, 2019, 01:18:03 PM
Another great update.
John question for you what thickness & grade is the plywood your using?
And what kind of tape did you use on the seams?
Jerry
Hi JerryThe plywood is 3/4 inch exterior grade B/C. I'm not worried about the surface of the plywood other than it needs to be sanded smooth. It will all be covered, someday. ;) ;D I just used painters green masking tape to cover the seams. It only has to keep the sand and ballast from finding it's way to the floor under the layout. As soon as I get the sand where I want it, I wet it down with wet water and then glue it in place. Once it is dry the tape has served it's purpose. I want exterior grade plywood so the water from the gluing process doesn't warp or degrade the plywood.
Day two, of the turntable installation. Wow, this is going to be a lot of work. Each one of the lead tracks is a real production with grinding tapered leads, wiring it to the control panel, and making sure everything is straight and level. This is my first electronically controlled turntable installation. I had manually controlled turntables on my previous layouts. So far everything is going fine just taking a lot more time than I was expecting. I fired up the turntable control panel this afternoon and got the code I was expecting from the instructions.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-230219202427.jpeg&hash=f3dd8782bc63bbb17124e8efcd542e6be4bc690d)
Great modeling John. I really like that wall.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on February 23, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Great modeling John. I really like that wall.
Curt
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words.
Quote from: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
Index to Volume 1 of the Superior & Seattle Railroad Build Thread
Index to the thread Updated 3/21/17.
INDEX
Volume 1
Vol 1. Page 1 Changing forums - the benchwork
Vol 1. Page 2 Overview and Status in March of 2014
Vol 1. Page 3 A look back at the Benchwork and Paster work on the mountains,
Painting the Plaster work
The Photo Back Drops
Making Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 4 Making Pine Trees
Preparing the Talus Materials
Vol 1. Page 5 Prototype Photographs
Vol 1. Page 6 Prototype Photographs
Control Panel
Vol 1. Page 7 Layout Diagram "original plan"
Roundhouse Photographs
The Stone Roundhouse Build - start
Vol 1. Page 8 Stone Roundhouse Build - the walls
Vol 1. Page 9 Stone Roundhouse Build - the Roof
Vol 1. Page 10 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting
Vol 1. Page 11 Laying more track
Planning the town of Sellios
Vol 1. Page 12 Testing track
Vol 1. Page 13 First Runs - lower track
Vol 1. Page 14 Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Vol 1. Page 15 Benchwork and Town layout - Sellios
Vol 1. Page 16 Track work in Sellios
Vol 1. Page 17 Planning Structure Placement - Sellios
Vol 1. Page 18 Logo for the Superior & Seattle Railroad
Vol 1. Page 19 Cedar Shingle Pine Tree armatures
Modeling in the Summer
Vol 1. Page 20 Roofing on the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 1. Page 21 Doors on the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 1. Page 22 More plaster work
Vol 1. Page 23 Installing the DCC System
Vol 1. Page 24 DCC System Discussion
Vol 1. Page 25 DCC System Installation
Vol 1. Page 26 DCC System Installation
Vol 1. Page 27 More track installation
Vol 1. Page 28 Track Testing
Vol 1. Page 29 Door production for the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 1. Page 30 Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Vol 1. Page 31 Ballasting The Eagles Nest Yard
Vol 1. Page 32 Changes - moving mountains
Vol 1. Page 33 Adding some talus materials
Vol 1. Page 34 Stone Roundhouse Build - Tar Paper Roof
Vol 1. Page 35 Stone Roundhouse Build - Doors, Windows, Trim
Vol 1. Page 36 Planting Aspen Trees,
prototype pictures Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 37 Stone Roundhouse Build Trim, Front Stone Work
Pictures of Mountains with Fall Color
Vol 1. Page 38 The view through "Wayne's hole"
Vol 1. Page 39 Some overall room photographs of the layout
Vol 1. Page 40 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the trim
Vol 1. Page 41 Stone Roundhouse Build - Installing the Windows
Vol 1. Page 42 The A&I tube
Vol 1. Page 43 Stone Roundhouse Build - Painting the Roof
Vol 1. Page 44 Stone Roundhouse Build - Final pictures on the workbench
Stone Roundhouse Build - Moving and installing on the layout
Vol 1. Page 45 Stone Roundhouse Build - Installation pictures
Vol 1. Page 46 Discussion of storage on the benchwork
Vol 1. Page 47 New - flex shaft rotary tool
Vol 1. Page 48 The Eagles Nest Yard
Vol 1. Page 49 Kit discussion
Vol 1. Page 50 Scenery on Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 51 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build - bents
Vol 1. Page 52 Testing coloring for the Trestle
Vol 1. Page 53 Start of scenery on Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 54 Progress pictures scenery on Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 55 Surveying for the Trestle
Stripwood for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Casting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 56 Changes in the Mountains
Vol 1. Page 57 Coloring the trestle footings
Vol 1. Page 58 Mt. Aiden Scenery progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 59 Setting the footings for the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 60 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build first Bents
Vol 1. Page 61 Staining Stripwood
Vol 1. Page 62 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Vol 1. Page 63 Mt. Aiden Trestle Build
Vol 1. Page 64 Trestle Build progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 65 Trestle Build progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 66 Painting Bolt Castings
Vol 1. Page 67 Installing Bolt Castings - Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 68 Cutting more strip wood
Dealing with impatient forum members
Vol 1. Page 69 Adding retaining walls
Vol 1. Page 70 Trestle Build progress pictures
Vol 1. Page 71 Counting nut and bolt castings
Vol 1. Page 72 Mt. Aiden Trestle - the finishing process
Vol 1. Page 73 Adding Scenery to Mt. Aiden
Vol 1. Page 74 Building retaining wall for Mt. Aiden
Pine Tree Production
Vol 1. Page 75 Dead Pine Trees
Vol 1. Page 75 The Brambell's Build Start - What's in the box
Vol 1. Page 76 Brambell's - Site preparation on the Layout
Vol 1. Page 77 Brambell's - Making Extra Castings
Vol 1. Page 78 Brambell's - Changing the site plan to fit my location on the layout.
Vol 1. Page 79 Brambell's - Making Molds
Vol 1. Page 80 Brambell's - Painting the castings
Vol 1. Page 81 Brambell's - Preparing the background scenery
Vol 1. Page 82 FSM Sawmill reconditioning for the S&S RR.
Vol 1. Page 83 Brambell's - Fitting castings to my site.
Vol 1. Page 84 Brambell's - Castings - lessons learned
Vol 1. Page 85 Brambell's - Painting the castings
Vol 1. Page 86 Brambell's - Testing the base with castings on the layout
Vol 1. Page 87 Brambell's - Detail castings - preparation for painting
Brambell's - The warehouse walls
Vol 1. Page 88 New Tools
Vol 1. Page 89 Brambell's - Warehouse Assembly
Vol 1. Page 90 Brambell's - Painting the detail castings
Brambell's - The wood retaining wall
Vol 1. Page 91 Brambell's - More Warehouse Assembly
Vol 1. Page 92 Brambell's - adding detail castings
Vol 1. Page 93 Brambell's - Warehouse Roof Construction
Vol 1. Page 94 Brambell's - Adding the Hoist House
Brambell's - Adding the back deck
Brambell's - A test fit on the layout
Vol 1. Page 95 Brambell's - Adding the ground cover
Vol 1. Page 96 Brambell's - Adding the Warehouse back shed
Vol 1. Page 97 Brambell's - More details
Vol 1. Page 98 Brambell's - Building the front deck
Vol 1. Page 99 Brambell's - Building the Trestle
Vol 1. Page 100 Brambell's - The cement wall
Brambell's - The Trestle Deck
Vol 1. Page 101 Updating the index
Vol 1. Page 102 Brambell's - Rail Siding and Dock
Adding more trees
Vol 1. Page 103 Brambell's Front Office
Vol 1. Page 104 Brambell's Scale and Scale House
Vol 1. Page 105 Brambell's Adding Dirt
Brambell's Test Plant on Layout
Vol 1. Page 106 Changes, Dad's, and the old layout
Vol 1. Page 107 Working in the Mountain
Vol 1. Page 108 Brambell's The Details
Vol 1. Page 108 Brambell's Finish Pictures on the Workbench
Vol 1. Page 108 A clean workbench
Vol 1. Page 109 Chippy Hollow Build Start
Vol 1. Page 110 Another Trestle Build
Vol 1. Page 111 More Pine Tree Production
Chippy Hollow Painting the wall castings
Vol 1. Page 112 Start of the Mt. Aiden Small Trestle
Vol 1. Page 112 Eagles Nest Hardware Build
Vol 1. Page 114 Track on the Mt. Aiden Trestle
Vol 1. Page 114 Chippy Hollow Build Progress
Vol 1. Page 115 Eagles Nest Warehouse Wall Castings
Vol 1. Page 116 Build Progress Eagles Nest Warehouse and Chippy Hollow
Vol 1. Page 117 Painting the Eagles Nest Warehouse Castings.
Vol 1. Page 118 Progress Report Small Trestle Build on Mt. Aiden.
Vol 1. Page 118 Layout Diagrams update
Vol 1. Page 119 Chippy Hollow Build update.
Vol 1. Page 120 Reusable Mold Material test.
Vol 1. Page 121 Trestle Build Progress.
Vol 1. Page 123 Final Pictures Mt. Aiden Trestle Build.
Vol 1. Page 124 Eagles Nest Warehouse Progress Report.
Vol 1. Page 126 Chippy Hollow Build Update
Vol 1. Page 128 Chippy Hollow Details
Vol 1. Page 128 Chippy Hollow become Walter P's
Vol 1. Page 129 The Staging Yard.
Vol 1. Page 130 The Control Panel Switch Panel.
Vol 1. Page 133 Eagles Next Warehouse - new paint and weathering.
Vol 1. Page 134 Start of the Jacob's Coal Build.
Vol 1. Page 136 Prototype Pictures from Greenfield Village
Vol 1. Page 137 Making room for the inside the mountain helix.
Vol 1. Page 138 Building the Helix.
Vol 1. Page 142 Making molds for plaster castings.
Vol 1. Page 143 More Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 146 Start of the C. C. Crow Stone Church Build
Vol 1. Page 147 Making room for the HOn3 Trestle
Vol 1. Page 148 Plans for the mountain top.
Vol 1. Page 148 Hidden Yard Build
Vol 1. Page 150 C. C. Crow Church Pictures
Vol 1. Page 153 Starting the HOn3 Trestle Builds
Vol 1. Page 155 Jacob's Coal Build Update
Vol 1. Page 157 Getting out the saw - more changes
Vol 1. Page 159 Using a Clay Mockups for design.
Vol 1. Page 162 The Start of the town of Sellios
Vol 1. Page 163 Sawmill placement.
Vol 1. Page 164 More on the Clay Mockup.
Vol 1. Page 167 Future Build Plans.
Vol 1. Page 169 The HOn3 Trestle Final Build Pictures.
Vol 1. Page 171 More Aspen Trees
Vol 1. Page 172 Moving on to Volume 2 of the S&S RR Build.
Volume 2
Vol 2. Page 1 Adding trees to the mountains.
Vol 2. Page 2 Using a Mortar & Pestle to create fine sand.
Vol 2. Page 3 Mountain Surgery
Vol 2. Page 4 Clay mockup of Phase III.
Vol 2. Page 5 Phase III Expansion
Vol 2. Page 6 Straightening the curves
Vol 2. Page 7 New Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 8 Phase III track work
Vol 2. Page 9 More Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 10 Making Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 12 New Crew member
Vol 2. Page 14 Test planting of Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 16 Test running the trains
Vol 2. Page 17 Helix build
Vol 2. Page 18 The HOn3 Branchline
Vol 2. Page 19 New HOn3 Locomotive
Vol 2. Page 20 Using my iPad to design the scenery
Vol 2. Page 21 Start of the Mackenzie Milling Build
Vol 2. Page 27 Start of the Isaac's Coal Build
Vol 2. Page 33 Running trains with the expanded crew
Vol 2. Page 35 Continued work on Mackenzie Mill and Isaac's Coal
Vol 2. Page 44 Adding another layer of scenery with some new Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 53 Isaac's Coal test plant
Vol 2. Page
I started updating the index for Volumes 1 and 2 of this thread. This is a work in progress - I have over 100 pages to go in volume 2.
Update: I have spent the last week wiring and installing the electronics for the Eagles Nest Yard - at the current rate I will be at it for a couple more weeks. At this point the pictures would be all underneath the layout and trust me if you have seen one wire you have seen them all. A video of me crawling out from under the layout after hours of connecting wires may be entertaining for some but I will leave that to your imagination. I will post some pictures when the control panels and turntable controls are working. That's all I got for this update. You can follow my structure building activities on the challenge build thread.
I would think you would have a cold one under there with you just in case you got thirsty!! ;)
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on February 28, 2019, 05:33:34 PM
I would think you would have a cold one under there with you just in case you got thirsty!! ;)
Jerry
Jerry
If I stored my cold ones under the layout I might not come out. ;)
I finished the day today stuck on a wiring problem. I have installed all of the tracks for the turntable roundhouse complex. I wired the first three and discovered a problem. I have 12.75 volts on the wire that I'm clamping a single suitcase connector to. The same ones I have used for the whole layout. When I measure the voltage on the 22 inch length of track I'm getting 2.5 volts. I will attack this again in the morning but I'm pulling what's left of my hair out trying to figure out what's going on.
Sometimes the connectors you are using do not crimp on the wires properly (I use them). I would double check the track solders also.
What Curt said... My approach to wiring is to do suitcase connectors to a heavy lead, and plug that into a Wago connector right under the track with the thin track feed wire. That way I can 'flip the lever' to remove a wire for testing, etc. I've only actually wired -1- segment that way, though.
dave
John,
I agree with Curt, I think that you have a bad connection in the run that has resulted in a "High Resistance" connection that is causing a significant voltage drop. I could be a bad crimp or a bad solder joint.
Jim
Curt, Dave, and Jim
Thanks for following along and offering suggestions. I solved my electrical problem this morning. The "new box" of suitcase connectors that I was using had larger slots in the metal prog that makes the connection. My smaller wire was slipping into the slot without completely piercing the insulation on the wire. A trip to the hardware store and I was back in business. I won't get those hours back that it took to figure out the problem. :(
Really looking good John! The turntable installation will be worth it when you get some trains running over it into the roundhouse. Keep the progress pics coming!
Just really enjoying following the development of your world. Can't tell you how many tips/pix I've bookmarked for reference! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Here is the update picture I was going to post last night when the data base went missing. I have the tracks down and wired. Today, I need to get everything straightened up, level and painted, then add the sand and ballast as soon as the paint dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030319090804.jpeg&hash=df7b44082bd59d5afa75a4c179d07317bc18b747)
Quote from: MAP on March 03, 2019, 06:38:15 AM
Really looking good John! The turntable installation will be worth it when you get some trains running over it into the roundhouse. Keep the progress pics coming!
Mark
Thank you for following along - I can't wait to get this turntable going.
Quote from: Dave K. on March 03, 2019, 06:55:28 AM
Just really enjoying following the development of your world. Can't tell you how many tips/pix I've bookmarked for reference! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dave
Thank you for following along - I'm in the process of updating the index to these threads so I can find what I'm looking for. And maybe it will help someone else, too. I have done enough builds now that, what I did on this one, is all stirred up with previous builds. I find doing a build thread like this to be very helpful - so what paint color did I use for Brambell's?
A big day on the S&S RR. The turntable and track work for the Stone Roundhouse is now operational. Programing of the turntable went by the book and I started loading Locomotives into the stalls of the Roundhouse. Once I have completed the testing I will sand and ballast the track in and start making things look good.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-040319181841.jpeg&hash=4bdc164250969ee1e77371187274b9a34732e687)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-040319181738.jpeg&hash=4630406b519cc0dd906bb339033547894563bbd7)
Great milestone, John.
Looks great John. Congratulations.
Quote from: vinceg on March 04, 2019, 06:25:06 PM
Great milestone, John.
Thank you Vince. It feels good to have this part of the layout operational.
Quote from: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
The index for volumes 1 and 2 has been updated.
INDEX
Volume 1
See post above on page 1
Volume 2
Vol 2. Page 1 Adding trees to the mountains.
Vol 2. Page 2 Using a Mortar & Pestle to create fine sand.
Vol 2. Page 3 Mountain Surgery
Vol 2. Page 4 Clay mockup of Phase III.
Vol 2. Page 5 Phase III Expansion
Vol 2. Page 6 Straightening the curves
Vol 2. Page 7 New Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 8 Phase III track work
Vol 2. Page 9 More Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 10 Making Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 12 New Crew member
Vol 2. Page 14 Test planting of Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 16 Test running the trains
Vol 2. Page 17 Helix build
Vol 2. Page 18 The HOn3 Branchline
Vol 2. Page 19 New HOn3 Locomotive
Vol 2. Page 20 Using my iPad to design the scenery
Vol 2. Page 21 Start of the Mackenzie Milling Build
Vol 2. Page 27 Start of the Isaac's Coal Build
Vol 2. Page 33 Running trains with the expanded crew
Vol 2. Page 35 Continued work on Mackenzie Mill and Isaac's Coal
Vol 2. Page 44 Adding another layer of scenery with some new Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 53 Isaac's Coal test plant
Vol 2. Page 54 Mackenzie Mill Build continued
Vol 2. Page 55 Locomotive Works build initial planning
Vol 2. Page 56 Isaac's Coal detailing
Vol 2. Page 58 Isaac's Coal on the layout
Vol 2. Page 59 Mackenzie's Mill detailing
Vol 2. Page 60 Clean workbenches
Vol 2. Page 61 Locomotive Works starting the build
Vol 2. Page 63 Future build planning
Vol 2. Page 66 Locomotive Works Roof mockup
Vol 2. Page 68 Locomotive Works Building the walls
Vol 2. Page 70 Painting Detail Castings
Vol 2. Page 73 Locomotive Works the layout site
Vol 2. Page 74 Locomotive Works painting the wall castings
Vol 2. Page 75 Locomotive Works starting the interior details
Vol 2. Page 77 Locomotive Works coloring the wall castings
Vol 2. Page 79 Locomotive Works the roof construction
Vol 2. Page 80 Monster Model Works brick tower
Vol 2. Page 82 Locomotive Works Inspection Pits
Vol 2. Page 83 Locomotive Works Brick Floor
Vol 2. Page 86 Locomotive Works Roof test fit
Vol 2. Page 87 Locomotive Works Overhead Crane installation
Vol 2. Page 90 Locomotive Works more interior details
Vol 2. Page 95 Mackenzie's Mill back on the details
Vol 2. Page 96 Locomotive Works interior lighting
Vol 2. Page 97 Locomotive Works coloring the metal roofing
Vol 2. Page 99 Locomotive Works more interior details
Vol 2. Page 102 Locomotive Works starting the exterior details
Vol 2. Page 103 More lighting for the layout
Vol 2. Page 105 Mackenzie's Mill Pond
Vol 2. Page 107 Planting more trees on the layout
Vol 2. Page 108 Using a mortar and pestle for grinding dirt fine
Vol 2. Page 110 Locomotive Works LED lighting
Vol 2. Page 112 Locomotive Works interior lighting test
Vol 2. Page 115 Layout Expansion
Vol 2. Page 117 More Aspen Trees on the layout
Vol 2. Page 118 Start of the Threadwell's build
Vol 2. Page 120 Threadwell's site planning
Vol 2. Page 123 Ipad mockup of the Threadwell site plan
Vol 2. Page 124 New resin walls for the build
Vol 2. Page 125 Starting the build on the workbench
Vol 2. Page 126 New pictures of the finished area of the layout
Vol 2. Page 128 More Details for the Locomotive Works build
Vol 2. Page 131 New Engineer on the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 133 First structure build for my Grandson
Vol 2. Page 136 Expansion Plans for the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 137 LED lighting for the Threadwell build
Vol 2. Page 138 Adding water to the Threadwell build
Vol 2. Page 140 Threadwell build moved to the layout
Vol 2. Page 141 More Trees
Vol 2. Page 142 Sewall's build start
Vol 2. Page 143 Adding the signs to the Locomotive Works
Vol 2. Page 144 Threadwell build photographs after adding the scenery
Vol 2. Page 146 More layout pictures
Vol 2. Page 148 Design plans discussion
Vol 2. Page 149 Baseboard for Sewall's and Fox Run builds
Vol 2. Page 150 Finishing the turntable area in front of the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 2. Page 152 First locomotives on the turntable
Good to see another project nearing completion on your pike. Lookin' good!
Jeff
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on March 05, 2019, 07:10:58 AM
Good to see another project nearing completion on your pike. Lookin' good!
Jeff
Jeff
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I'm getting a lot done this winter because you keep sending me all that cold and snowy Iowa weather. ;)
Progress is great. Jim
I started the sand process around the Stone Roundhouse, today. I use good old Michigan beach sand to fill in my landforms on the layout. Just add a little wet water, once you get it where you want it. And then wet it down with Matt Medium. Once this dries I add the top layer that is the color I want and in this case some ballast on the tracks. I will be painting the tracks before the final ballast. I have done it before and after the sanding process. The beauty of this process is if you get the sand where you don't want it or want to change it - all you have to do is wet it and it loosens right up. As soon as it dries again you have a nice hard surface to work from.
For example: To get the sand off the ties I will use a wet rag.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-050319191423.jpeg&hash=14bc8b47672ba1e5b54a2bc69d1c688a3ae6a8ce)
Interesting John. I look forward to seeing the sand area when completed.
Hey John:
Roundhouse looks just great. I'll be following along to see how the sand comes out.
Karl
It sure does look like good old Michigan to me.
Jim (former Michigan Resident)
Quote from: PRR Modeler on March 06, 2019, 09:41:06 AM
Interesting John. I look forward to seeing the sand area when completed.
Thank you for following along Curt.
Quote from: postalkarl on March 06, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
Hey John:
Roundhouse looks just great. I'll be following along to see how the sand comes out.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the kind words and for following along.
Quote from: jimmillho on March 06, 2019, 10:50:48 AM
It sure does look like good old Michigan to me.
Jim (former Michigan Resident)
Jim
Yes, good old Michigan beach sand. I fill three 5 gallon buckets with it every summer that usually gets me through until the next summer. I actually dig a hole about three feet deep near my cabin and I have beautiful white sand as deep as I want to dig. The whole lower peninsula of Michigan was once a beach.
I used to get sand from the Dunes around Hart and Pentwater on the west side of the State.
Jim
Quote from: jimmillho on March 08, 2019, 10:39:27 AM
I used to get sand from the Dunes around Hart and Pentwater on the west side of the State.
Jim
Jim
Hart is very close to where my cabin is at.
I made some progress on the sanding and detailing of the Stone Roundhouse area. Here is an update photograph.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-110319153548.jpeg&hash=73046f25c85276205383dc0cc7b8d5dba55e05bd)
The little round spots you see are glue clogging up some sink holes that developed. Holes in the benchwork that didn't get filled with tape. Next round of detailing will cover up the glue. I'm using chalk to detail the track - It's wet in this picture but I can already tell you that I will not be painting track in the new section of the layout and the track will be detailed with chalk in all of the visible areas of the current layout. I'm using the same process that I use for metal roofing. The matt medium that I use for the ballast sets the chalk in place. I just started playing and love the way it turned out on my test section.
The track looks good John - could you give some details on using the chalk. I am also trying to avoid the mess of painting track.
Doug
Quote from: NKP768 on March 12, 2019, 10:10:48 AM
The track looks good John - could you give some details on using the chalk. I am also trying to avoid the mess of painting track.
Doug
Doug
I sure will, as soon as I perfect how I'm going to do it. ;) I did a couple test sections and love the results - over the next few weeks I will be completing the area around the Stone Roundhouse and plan on using the technique for the rest of the layout. I will add some better pictures, soon.
Thanks - I don't know which is worse - the smell from airbrushing the track or the fact that I'm down to my last two bottles of Rail Brown.
Quote from: NKP768 on March 12, 2019, 11:31:09 AM
Thanks - I don't know which is worse - the smell from airbrushing the track or the fact that I'm down to my last two bottles of Rail Brown.
I have 4 bottles of rail brown and none of them look like they are the same color. I will be follow-up in a few weeks with what I come up with. Like I said - I already like the look much better than the painted track and rail ties.
[/quote]
I sure will, as soon as I perfect how I'm going to do it. ;) I did a couple test sections and love the results - over the next few weeks I will be completing the area around the Stone Roundhouse and plan on using the technique for the rest of the layout. I will add some better pictures, soon.
[/quote]
Looking forward to you sharing your experience with this.
Update: I switched gears this week and decided to get ready for the layout expansion that I plan to start in April. I plan on adding cabinets under the layout in the new section that will provide storage for the CFO of the railroad. I estimated the cost for materials and the time it was going to take to build the cabinets, this week. This shocked me - if you haven't priced wood lately - it has gone way up. So I decided to go to Menards and have a train buddy, that works there, do a pricing study with nice quality kitchen cabinets. I ordered the cabinets, today. I wouldn't save any money building them myself and it gets me building the layout a lot sooner. ;) ;D ;D Win Win. The cabinets will arrive in 4 weeks so we have a date to start the expansion. I'm basically starting with base kitchen cabinets under the layout. Then there will be a 11.5 inch facia (for all the controls etc.) and then the table top. This section of the layout is going to be a large yard. It will be designed so a second layer of layout can be added, at a future date. I will post the updated track plan when I have completed the finishing touches.
John,
Great choice on getting the cabinets. Anything saving layout build time is the way to go.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on March 14, 2019, 06:45:43 PM
John,
Great choice on getting the cabinets. Anything saving layout build time is the way to go.
Tom ;D
Tom
I would have put a lot of hours into cutting and staining wood in 1:1 scale that I would much rather use to build the layout. The cabinets keep the CFO happy, too. Thank you for following along.
Update: Getting ready to add the detail castings to the Schwarz's Foundry.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160319182558.jpeg&hash=697c064566ab5a0b70aff3c79a064f9fa1702ccd)
Looking great John!
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on March 17, 2019, 11:37:49 PM
Looking great John!
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along, and the kind words. I will be getting back to it in a few days.
John, I Cant speak for anybody else but your layout is amazing. I'm about 50% through reading your posts on this Great layout. I'm very impressed what you got done in the years you worked on it, And you take the time to answer questions even from a newbie here as myself.... I appreciate everything you done for me. My level of skills will never compare to you and others here but I came to the right forum to learn. I been following people like Karl O and postalkarl. such great guys all around. Please keep posting that Beautiful layout and giving those tutorials. Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on March 19, 2019, 03:15:28 PM
John, I Cant speak for anybody else but your layout is amazing. I'm about 50% through reading your posts on this Great layout. I'm very impressed what you got done in the years you worked on it, And you take the time to answer questions even from a newbie here as myself.... I appreciate everything you done for me. My level of skills will never compare to you and others here but I came to the right forum to learn. I been following people like Karl O and postalkarl. such great guys all around. Please keep posting that Beautiful layout and giving those tutorials. Dennis
Dennis
Thank you for the kind words and for following this thread. There are a number of great modelers and layouts that post on this forum and I learn from them every day. The nice thing about this hobby is you never stop learning. Keep asking questions, every one of the modelers on this forum learned how to do what you see by asking questions. The two Karl's you mentioned above are two of the best to learn from.
Hey John:
You have done a beautiful job with this kit so far. Looks just beautiful.
Karl
I just added a 3rd ;)
A few months ago I posted some pictures from the CAD package I'm using called TurboCAD for the design of the S&S RR. Since the design has evolved over the past few months I thought I would post and update, tonight. The new expansion is a large yard called the Superior Yard. This yard will someday be the lower level of a two layer area of the layout with a mining operation occupying the upper level. (ten plus year plan). This fist picture is the entire layout to give a perspective of the size of the expansion.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240319222535.jpeg&hash=d72bebc9e30f0d231f322f931d7387d0716bf7e0)
Here is the expansion area - zoomed in. This expansion will not only provide a large yard for staging but will also give me more space in the workshop. The reversing loops that you see in the expansion area are currently in the workshop by the water heater.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240319222417.jpeg&hash=122c9b5d575822aabb21d6f1d3cbbf3c28c74ff7)
That's a really neat tool (TurboCAD) for a project of this magnitude...So, the smelter and mining operation will be above the track we're seeing here? Will it be staging or a scenicked yard?
Looks great. Also, can't help but notice the depth of your existing benchwork/layout - no way you could have achieved the "vistas" your photos show without them. Great stuff.
John
Quote from: cuse on March 25, 2019, 06:16:20 AM
That's a really neat tool (TurboCAD) for a project of this magnitude...So, the smelter and mining operation will be above the track we're seeing here? Will it be staging or a scenicked yard?
Looks great. Also, can't help but notice the depth of your existing benchwork/layout - no way you could have achieved the "vistas" your photos show without them. Great stuff.
John
John
Thanks for stopping by the the thread. TurboCAD is a great tool for designing. I'm just using it as a drawing tool - it has the capability to build a three dimensional model in solids but I decided not to take the time to learn how to do that.
The yard will have a few structures and some scenery, and I plan to ballast and detail the track. I may put up backdrops, on parts of it. So I guess the answer to your question is semi-scenicked. The mines and smelter will be the real points of interest - when I get to them - but I want the staging yard to look nice for the years it will take to finish all the rest of the layout.
One of the goals for the layout was to create the depth. There are areas where it is 8 feet from the viewer to the backdrop. I'm adding to that by sizing the trees to create perspective.
Thanks again for the kind words.
Update: I have been working on benchwork changes and track improvements the past couple of days. Changes that I wanted to make before the detailing and wiring of the Eagles Nest Yard. I'm also experimenting with using servo motors to drive some of my turnouts where there just isn't room for a clean tortoise machine installation. I thought I would post some pictures of the test installation that I'm building for the testing. The hardware that I'm using is sold by Barrett Hill and works with their touch toggle switches.
It all starts with a whole to hide the servo motor in the benchwork.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-010419191332.jpeg&hash=aabbddbd3cd38ce792f62d903da9a45fda84eb5d)
Here are a couple pictures of a servo motor installation from the Barrett Hill website to show you where I'm going with this.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-010419193434.jpeg&hash=4cf82106b5d843d178c5b485f08a826656333538)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-010419193510.jpeg&hash=d8187dc29f8d0dbe4f143005e0cb449a8d8bfe3a)
Very cool John. I too am interested in the servo machines from Berrett Hill but doing some more home work, and perhaps looking at the under table servos but open yet to other possibilities. Your endeavor is very timely and I certainly will be paying attention.
Thanks for sharing and all the info you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
--Paul
Quote from: PaulS on April 01, 2019, 07:54:03 PM
Very cool John. I too am interested in the servo machines from Berrett Hill but doing some more home work, and perhaps looking at the under table servos but open yet to other possibilities. Your endeavor is very timely and I certainly will be paying attention.
Thanks for sharing and all the info you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
--Paul
Paul
I will post what I find and maybe we can learn together. My initial interest is to use them in places on the layout where I don't have the space underneath turnouts to place tortoise machines. I'm currently using manual ground throws to switch these turnouts. I also bought their under the layout brackets to give them a try. Stay tuned.
John: To what depth did you have to rout the opening for the motor case? Would these motors create any heat? I ask because I would be using them (depending on your feedback) in an extruded (blue) foam base (2").
Quote from: Blazeman on April 02, 2019, 08:45:05 AM
John: To what depth did you have to rout the opening for the motor case? Would these motors create any heat? I ask because I would be using them (depending on your feedback) in an extruded (blue) foam base (2").
The hole is 1 and 5/8 inch diameter and 5/8 of an inch deep. I can't detect any change in temperature of the motor cycling it back and forth about 2 dozen times. I will post pictures of the test rig when I get it done and have a plan for my layout. The one thing I don't like is the movement of the motor on startup. My control boards are a couple years old and Barrett Hill tells me that that problem has been solved with the new boards. I thought I was going to get to this project a lot sooner. ;) I ordered a couple new boards to test before moving forward with this. I will update this once I have the new boards and have tested them. The way Barrrett Hill recommend that you account for the start up jitters is to add a Z to the wire linkage, to act as a spring, to protect everything. I will be doing this with or without the new control boards.
For todays update: I completed my testing of the servo controls for turnouts from Barrett Hill. As I posted earlier, I made up a test station to learn how to program the servo motors and make sure that I could make them function the way I planned for the layout. The first test was a simple pit mounting with a wire running from the servo motor to the turnout. Using a setup module to program the servo motors I was able to throw the turnout and change the speed of the action to simulate what you would expect from a tortoise machine. I will be using this setup in location where a tortoise machine will not fit under the layout and setting up a remote more difficult than using the servo motors.
I also received the new servo control board, as mentioned above, and it definitely does a better job of controlling the startup jitters. It doesn't eliminate them but make them much better. I will still be adding a spring to each of the control arms to protect the installation on startup.
As a point of interest, my current plan calls for 34 servo motors and 85 tortoise turnout controls. I will have 6 main panels and about a dozen mini panels (between 1 and 6 touch controls).
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060419161720.jpeg&hash=ba0fde854126b664e089e5e4c427a3dc9039c2fa)
If you studied the picture above you will notice a second wire arm going out the other side of the turnout. Which brings me to the second test for the test module.
I have a number of locations where the track is right on top of the framework for the bench on the outside edge of the layout. See pictures below.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060419161608.jpeg&hash=1ceda22a8fe7a27c677fd1e367eb9e5da75c8094)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060419161528.jpeg&hash=ff1287481fefe8c5bf0c7eac23422dd48f529936)
For these installations, the servo motor well will be mounted vertical.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060419163639.jpeg&hash=d3d0d05baea2a14b7cc90edd3bca8595b446c485)
Most of the servo installation will be replacing manual turnout controls that have already been installed. The only area that will continue to have manual controls is the yard above my workbench which will serve as a holding and repair yard.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060419163717.jpeg&hash=14041fe28cf5c33cbc63020af3169da8708b512a)
Here is a closeup of the servo motor installation in the test module. It works great even with the tape holding it in and the control arm that was fabricated in about 2 minutes. On the layout the servo motor wells will be glued in place and a cover hatch with screws for access will cover it. The wells that are on the horizontal surface of the layout will be covered with ground cover or a structure.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060419161642.jpeg&hash=a2c425417847fcbda0513e541a3b65e84494acee)
So, after playing with the test module, I'm ordering the the rest of the parts I need to complete all of the layout with the Barrett Hill system. I ordered the glass for the control panels from my local hardware store. I showed the owner a picture of what I was using the glass for and he gave me the glass- if I let him come see the layout. He said it was a great way to use up a bunch of small scrap pieces from other projects. He also gave me some new glass plates for my workbenches. I can throw out the scratched up ones. I will keep posting progress pictures as this project moves along.
On the question of heat, that was asked earlier, you can burn up a servo motor, according to the directions, if you program it to move to a location where it can't overcome the physical resistance. They are not stall motors like tortoise controllers. With Peco turnouts I have a spring that makes sure of the contact on closing a turnout. The spring in the linkage also serves this purpose, so I don't see a problem with this. I didn't detect any temperature change in the servo motors during my testing.
I found it very easy to program the servo motors. It worked the first time I tried it - I just followed the directions on the Barrett Hill Website.
Please let me know if you have any questions - I tried to cover most of the steps that I took to test the motors and controllers - but I'm sure I missed something.
I already have some future projects for the servo motors. Great automation tool.
Sounds like you made a major step today John.
Hi John,
I to am using the Barrett Hill touch toggle system. All my switch machines are tortious so I did not have to do any programming. I bought some picture frames from Micheals for my control panels. I then drew a track diagram using 3rd Planit Cad software in color and printed it on an Ink Jet printer and used double sided tape to fasten it to the glass.
I used a 3M heavy duty transfer tape to mount the toggles to the back side of the diagram.
I found out after I had a panel set up that every time you turn the power on to the system the switches will reset to there default direction. So I had to reset the default direction of some of the switches. And I also found out that if I rubbed up against the panel with my arm or belly that it thru a bunch of the switches.
And I do like the system very much and it was very easy to install.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 06, 2019, 06:06:14 PM
Sounds like you made a major step today John.
Curt
Thank you for stopping by the thread - yes, this is a major step now the complete layout will be controlled by the same system. I have lots of holes to drill and wires to connect but it will be worth it.
Quote from: sdrees on April 06, 2019, 08:12:23 PM
Hi John,
I to am using the Barrett Hill touch toggle system. All my switch machines are tortious so I did not have to do any programming. I bought some picture frames from Micheals for my control panels. I then drew a track diagram using 3rd Planit Cad software in color and printed it on an Ink Jet printer and used double sided tape to fasten it to the glass.
I used a 3M heavy duty transfer tape to mount the toggles to the back side of the diagram.
I found out after I had a panel set up that every time you turn the power on to the system the switches will reset to there default direction. So I had to reset the default direction of some of the switches. And I also found out that if I rubbed up against the panel with my arm or belly that it thru a bunch of the switches.
And I do like the system very much and it was very easy to install.
Steve
Thank you for the advice and details. I read through your posts on your layout in preparation for this project - it was very helpful. I have one question from your comments - How do you reset the default direction of a switch? I am assuming it's just a matter of switching the wires from the tortoise controller. It is important to my design scheme to always have green for one direction and red for the other. I have two light red/green touch toggles.
My toggle switches have two green lights. So on my panel, I have a green light for each track. So if a track has a green light lite, that is the direction of the switch and if the track doesn't have a green light the switch isn't lined up for that track. Then it is a matter of turning the toggle switch around.
Quote from: sdrees on April 06, 2019, 10:32:26 PM
My toggle switches have two green lights. So on my panel, I have a green light for each track. So if a track has a green light lite, that is the direction of the switch and if the track doesn't have a green light the switch isn't lined up for that track. Then it is a matter of turning the toggle switch around.
Steve
Thank you for the input. I have one red and one green so I will have to flip wires. I guess I will have to cycle the power to see what the default is and then adjust.
that is what I had to do John.
Quote from: sdrees on April 07, 2019, 01:35:28 PM
that is what I had to do John.
Thank you Steve. I will let you know how it goes.
Update: The expansion of the layout officially began last night. I moved the furniture in preparation for the delivery of the under the layout cabinets that are scheduled to arrive, today. As soon as the weather allows me (snow in the forecast tonight), to cut wood in the garage, I will switch gears and get all the benchwork built and installed. The first area to be completed will be the reversing loop and helix (see the track diagram above). This will allow me to move the current reversing loop out of my workshop, freeing up more workbench area for future builds.
The under-the-layout cabinets arrived for the new expansion. My Grandkids are going to have a lot of fun with those big boxes.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100419210453.jpeg&hash=9992096217b55f1834992fc161080b13bc1b86fe)
WOWSER!
Quote from: ACL1504 on April 11, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
WOWSER!
Thanks for stopping by Tom. When you started your third level it gave me the bug to add on and put in the staging yard that I wanted. Okay, so I spent a little money on cabinets. All approved by the CFO.
Today, all of those cabinet boxes have been emptied and the cabinets are roughly in position. Here are a few progress pictures. I'm currently reviewing what height I want the yard to be at, now that I plan on a second level in the future. Long term planning, I don't expect to get to the second level for more than 10 years. I had the first cabinet out of the box as was about to move it in position when I remembered to take a, before picture. There is a lot of stuff in the picture that will not be there when this section of the layout is complete.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120419161207.jpeg&hash=9a5811a842529f33657f99671241be5a465179ed)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120419161515.jpeg&hash=e1b545bbed8b40630e10ab9ca5f6f1aced67d839)
You can see the plywood for the table top stacked against the wall.
Here is a picture with the cabinets sitting with an inch or so of final position. The L section of the sofa is out of place so I could get in to make adjustments.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120419161859.jpeg&hash=02192b825679d4d34de17a890d557302f10073a4)
If you page back in the thread to the plan view of the layout you can start to see how this is going to look when completed.
Finally, for today, the future location of the Langford Ovalix Version 2.0. This will get the trains from the 53.5 inch level from the other room - to the 52 inch level of the upper level and 42 inch level of the yard level of this section.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120419161927.jpeg&hash=c6c22658e34d884c7bf868ce2fae6259203b87de)
I look forward to seeing you're progress Dave. Do I understand correctly that on top of the cabinets will be a yard?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 12, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
I look forward to seeing you're progress Dave. Do I understand correctly that on top of the cabinets will be a yard?
Curt
Yes, this entire section of the layout will be a large yard. If you look back on page 155 of this thread I posted a track diagram.
Update: After getting started on the benchwork and seeing everything full scale I decided to move the turntable and roundhouse to the area by the window (top of the ovalix). This will allow me to utilize the yard real-estate better and turn longer trains on the Wye. Moving the roundhouse also fits in better with my plans for the upper level. I will post a new track diagram when I complete the CAD work. I'm sure glad I came up with this new design before I started laying track. ;)
Hi John,
I'm still working on my own MacKenzie Milling co kit (I've bought the kit after you assemble it on your S&S RR, and be very impressive with it).
Actually I'm not sure how paint the Paddle wheel. Look like wood or rusted metal ... That's a dilemme.
What color have you used for it on your model ?
Thanks. Eric
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 13, 2019, 05:10:05 PM
Hi John,
I'm still working on my own MacKenzie Milling co kit (I've bought the kit after you assemble it on your S&S RR, and be very impressive with it).
Actually I'm not sure how paint the Paddle wheel. Look like wood or rusted metal ... That's a dilemme.
What color have you used for it on your model ?
Thanks. Eric
Hi Eric
I had to go back and look at my build to remember what I did. I painted it for wood construction - started with a brown primer and then used chalks to whether it. I used a lot of slim green and also added some pigeon poop. I took a couple pictures and wrote myself a note to go back and hit the metal parts (the bolt heads and the spindle) with some rust colored chalk. Every time I look at a build I find little things to improve it. Here are the two pictures that I took for your reference. I hope this helps.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130419184408.jpeg&hash=30b4addd28412c4ef6ea2731acf06e41bc927a5a)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130419184452.jpeg&hash=0e9e9256f48d7f2a4a64e662f8727c6622c60aa7)
Quote from: S&S RR on April 13, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: EricQuebec on April 13, 2019, 05:10:05 PM
Hi John,
I'm still working on my own MacKenzie Milling co kit (I've bought the kit after you assemble it on your S&S RR, and be very impressive with it).
Actually I'm not sure how paint the Paddle wheel. Look like wood or rusted metal ... That's a dilemme.
What color have you used for it on your model ?
Thanks. Eric
Hi Eric
I had to go back and look at my build to remember what I did. I painted it for wood construction - started with a brown primer and then used chalks to whether it. I used a lot of slim green and also added some pigeon poop. I took a couple pictures and wrote myself a note to go back and hit the metal parts (the bolt heads and the spindle) with some rust colored chalk. Every time I look at a build I find little things to improve it. Here are the two pictures that I took for your reference. I hope this helps.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130419184408.jpeg&hash=30b4addd28412c4ef6ea2731acf06e41bc927a5a)
It help a lot. Thank you very much my friend.
Eric.
Great progress, John.
PS - really love that vine on MacKenzie Milling co. Very realistic!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on April 13, 2019, 09:14:00 PM
Great progress, John.
PS - really love that vine on MacKenzie Milling co. Very realistic!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I spent a few hours today, changing my track plan for the yard expansion. I may have something to post by the end of the day.
I reviewed the latest design with the CFO and there where some changes. ;) I like this cabinet over here and that cabinet over there. But Boss the trains have to go here to be able to turn around. ::) Well, the end result is another design iteration but her changes have been incorporated and the layout design has not been compromised. ;D As soon as I get the CAD work completed I will post some pictures.
Here is a screen shot of the new yard design. The major difference is that the Roundhouse has been expanded and moved to the other end of the yard. The yard tracks have also been rearranged. It's time to start building.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160419081740.jpeg&hash=5bdc91be617efba55fcfe366d26a434955a1003f)
Hey John:
Looks pretty cool. Can't wait to see it all laid out.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on April 16, 2019, 08:31:24 AM
Hey John:
Looks pretty cool. Can't wait to see it all laid out.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thank you for stopping by - I can't wait to get this operational - It will allow me to get all my locomotives and rolling stock out of the boxes and ready to run on the layout. I will store all the trains here while I work on the rest of the layout.
I'm curious how this will work out. Regarding trains on the layout, I kept most of my equipemtn in boxes till I began setting up for operations - less dust, less vacuuming boxcar roofs.
Quote from: jbvb on April 17, 2019, 03:01:12 PM
I'm curious how this will work out. Regarding trains on the layout, I kept most of my equipemtn in boxes till I began setting up for operations - less dust, less vacuuming boxcar roofs.
Hi James
I have two plans for the dust issue. The area with the pink track will have a removable wood cover to keep them out of harms way and shield them from dust. The cabinets in this area have drawers that can hold anything that is removed from the layout. I also plan on a dust cover for the turntable area.
Update: I started cutting lumber and assembling the benchwork for the expansion, yesterday. I'm starting by the window so I can move the reversing loop out of my workshop and free up some work space. I should have something to take a picture of by the end of the day.
I finished the track work and added the foam for the landforms in front of the Treadwell's build, today. I need all the tools that were scattered over the benchwork and decided to complete this project before moving on. This area will now be in a holding pattern until I finish the Superior Yard (the expansion) and the remaining structures for the Eagles Nest Yard. My Grandson's will have new track work to test this weekend.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190419140734.jpeg&hash=7a62739cdea8c54b27bd06a1e0565c682edd7652)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190419140659.jpeg&hash=196bd8d4f598975cefe01a0c2b423f05deac0051)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190419140808.jpeg&hash=47253cb4675196ebaa18f45c5d01eb31eeaed75a)
You will notice that the C.C. Crow Church that I built for a challenge build a couple years ago has found a home along side the river.
Wow- that scene has some great depth
You always do excellent rock and tree work.
Beautiful John, just beautiful.
Jim
Quote from: cuse on April 19, 2019, 04:29:31 PM
Wow- that scene has some great depth
John
Thank you - When the structures start getting placed down in the valley I think it will create even more depth. The background of the scene is close to being done - now it's time to complete the foreground.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on April 19, 2019, 04:35:36 PM
You always do excellent rock and tree work.
Curt
Thank you,
Quote from: jimmillho on April 19, 2019, 07:42:33 PM
Beautiful John, just beautiful.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along.
The benchwork for the expansion has begun - starting with the helix that will take the trains from the 42 inch yard level up to the 53 1/2 inch level where they will pass through my workshop. The second level of this area (long term addition) will be at he 53 1/2 inch level. A turntable and Roundhouse facility will go at the upper level of the helix. The grade on the helix will be 1.6 percent and there will be 3 turns to raise the trains the 11.5 inches.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-210419203236.jpeg&hash=4f8ea267e869b5764a8ac49fd459b3656ca94024)
Looking Good John, I'm watching this build closely.
Quote from: DennisBourey on April 22, 2019, 08:06:11 AM
Looking Good John, I'm watching this build closely.
Dennis
Thank you for following along. The progress is slow but we keep building.
I spent the morning working on the layout and the afternoon working in the yard. The outside work included taking the snow plow off my tractor and reinstalling the mower deck. This process usually results in a snow storm but I'm committed to working on the layout until any snow that we get melts.
I completed the lowest level of the helix for the new Superior Yard Section of the layout. I thought I would post a few pictures that describe my technique for putting the track down. I don't think it's unique but it is the method that I have evolved to over the years.
My first step is to get the benchwork in place and the base plywood at the right angle. For this helix I'm maintaining a 1.7% grade - I try to keep it as constant as possible but with a digital level I keep it between 1.5 % and 2%.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240419195651.jpeg&hash=8a3e7c5f7722d4fa28592d60d40857207a675b50)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240419195809.jpeg&hash=d51fcfe6f7eafe5013ad60512f6bbc968f6b9dce)
I use a belt sander to get each section of plywood into spec. - then I add the cork which I smooth and shape with both handsanding and the belt sander. On the helix I'm adding 1.5 - 2 degrees of taper to help keep the rolling stock on the track as it makes it way around the curves.
I glue the cork down with carpenters glue and nail it in place with brad nails from an air nailer. The nails hold it in place until the glue dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240419215253.jpeg&hash=4b46b2de787443cebcd4d0adb1597a38f546474d)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240419220254.jpeg&hash=86aa5a511d59c1b7112f457f9b0e30b2d99d475e)
The final step before ballasting is to glue the track down. I used to use track nails to hold the track in place until I ballasted it, but my process has evolved to using carpenter's glue and weighting the track in place until the glue dries. Once the glue dries the track is not going to move and is ready for the weathering and ballast. This is the process that will be used for this entire expansion.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240419195729.jpeg&hash=18f2b1c649e074410b7bd3b48de6fb15d085c34f)
I will follow-up with a picture of the first section of track after the glue dries, tomorrow.
Looks great John.
Here is the picture of the track once the glue has dried. A little glue cleanup and a bright boy on top of the rails and it's ready for trains.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-250419200424.jpeg&hash=449ad70d51542ce8bcd769899a10dcf5704e012d)
The track work continued today. I also made a trip to the lumber yard for plywood and 2x4's.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-250419200515.jpeg&hash=61a4a429540f0f0d7b177c0322472253a66346e5)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-250419200547.jpeg&hash=4d46850ce7601bf7ec71ec0c52d8d6f1920f3e48)
Loop two of the helix is well on it's way. I will be spending some time with my saber saw tomorrow.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-250419200624.jpeg&hash=f8db489fc8899d34f1d947657c8a63b3b57c8158)
Coming along very nicely John!
John looks like a train of weights!! ;)
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on April 26, 2019, 10:32:13 AM
John looks like a train of weights!! ;)
Jerry
Jerry
It sure does. It's going to get longer and longer when I get to the straight track. Thank you for following along.
John - I really have enjoyed your pics. You're doing a helluva job on the helix. It's amazing how those things actually go together - and they work! Patience is important. I'm one of those guys who can't wait for a project to be completed instead of enjoying the ride. Maybe that is why I like projects that only take one evening.
BTW, it will approach 90 degrees here tomorrow with not a cloud in the sky. Its spring and the gators and black bears are mating. Some of them venture to within several blocks from our house. We keep the garbage cans locked to discourage the bears and our garage doors down to avoid reptiles. Of course, nothing discourages the racoons, armadillos, and 'possums.
Quote from: Judge on April 28, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
John - I really have enjoyed your pics. You're doing a helluva job on the helix. It's amazing how those things actually go together - and they work! Patience is important. I'm one of those guys who can't wait for a project to be completed instead of enjoying the ride. Maybe that is why I like projects that only take one evening.
BTW, it will approach 90 degrees here tomorrow with not a cloud in the sky. Its spring and the gators and black bears are mating. Some of them venture to within several blocks from our house. We keep the garbage cans locked to discourage the bears and our garage doors down to avoid reptiles. Of course, nothing discourages the racoons, armadillos, and 'possums.
Judge
Thank you for following along and the encouraging words. Our seasons in Michigan for the past four years have shifted by 6 weeks. We will make up for the cold spring in the fall, if the trend continues. The one thing we can count on is climate change - the slogan up here is if you don't like the weather wait 5 minutes. I need to plan a trip down to Florida one of these winters to see all of you guys, again. I have some Grandkids that would like to go see Mickey and his friends. If you find you way up to Michigan be sure to stop in and see the S&S Railroad.
Hey John:
the Helix looks just great. Keep the photos coming.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on April 29, 2019, 02:56:07 PM
Hey John:
the Helix looks just great. Keep the photos coming.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, will do.
Update: I have spent the last three days running trains with the Grandkids. Today, I'm getting back to building and chasing an electrical problem that developed. I'm getting a hesitation of 2 to 3 seconds when the locomotives go over some of the gaps between power districts. I added a second 5 AMP power booster and I think they are fighting each other for control. We will see what happens when I drop one out of the system.
Well, I disconnected the second 5 amp power booster and all of my hesitation problems went away. I can't explain what is happening but I had 5 power districts on one amp and 5 on the other. Every time a locomotive would pass over a gap between the power districts it would hesitate for about a count of 2 or 3 and then start back up again. It wasn't only the gaps between the power districts from one Amp or the other it was all of the gaps. Does anyone have a theory? I'm back to running with a 5 amp system, which I don't think will ever be a problem. I'm running an NCE system and just added another DB5.
Can you make your new amp be controlled by the first one so it's more like in series than separate? It may be a dumb suggestion but it's all I got.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 01, 2019, 09:29:56 AM
Can you make your new amp be controlled by the first one so it's more like in series than separate? It may be a dumb suggestion but it's all I got.
Curt
The second amp was plugged into the base controller which has my first Amp. I believe the units where sensing a different voltage and thinking there was a short. Amp one was at 13.8 volts and amp 2 was putting out 12.9. It's only a theory at this point but one of the guys that visited my layout yesterday, had the same problem. I need to find out if there is a way to adjust the output of the amp. For now, I'm back to running with 1 amp and having no issues. I may need more than 5 amps on startup when I get all of my locomotives on the layout at the same time.
You're really doing a great job on that Helix John! Is that cabinet grade ply you're using? It looks perfectly smooth, which is great for track laying.As for electrical problems I'm absolutely clueless.
Quote from: MAP on May 03, 2019, 06:52:42 AM
You're really doing a great job on that Helix John! Is that cabinet grade ply you're using? It looks perfectly smooth, which is great for track laying.As for electrical problems I'm absolutely clueless.
Mark
Thank you for stopping by the thread. Most of the plywood is sanded on one side A/B grade exterior. I do have a couple sheets of birch cabinet grade plywood that was on sale for the same price a couple weeks ago at Menards. It's hard to tell the difference in the pictures - same color.
One of my visitors this week was Walt Plentus. My Chippy Hollow build is named after Walt - the sign reads Walter P's Wholesale Distribution Walter Plentus Proprietor. I named this build after Walter a couple of years ago when he was in a coma in a Hospital in Montana. I had just hung up the phone after talking to Walt's wife and sat back down at the workbench. Next step on the build, was the sign. He became ill on a trip out there and after a couple month stay in Montana was air lifted back to Michigan to recover. It took two years for Walt to recover enough to get back over to see my layout and his building. I have know Walt for 25 years - we worked together at Chrysler along with sharing the model railroading hobby. Walt it's great to have you back with us and we need to finish your railroad. Walt models the Pennsy - Horseshoe Curve area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030519222552.jpeg&hash=02adf9e18c37ce29ac96272a75cb10d90cbe124e)
Glad to see your Ok Walt. Enjoy your visit....
Sad story but a great ending. Enjoy the visit with your friend.
Great story Glad it ended well for you and your friend!!
Jerry
Hope to see Walt back at his own layout soon .
Dennis, Curt, Jerry, and Jan
Thank you for the kind words on behalf of Walt, he has had a tough go of it and needs the therapy that working on the railroad can bring. It sure was nice hosting the little train get together this past week. Now, I need to get some more done so I have something to show them the next time they visit.
John, You are a great friend to Walt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey John:
Nice picture.
Karl
Dennis and Karl
Thank you for the kind words and for following along with my build thread.
Great news about Walt! I'm sure getting back to railroading will be one of the best therapies he could have.
Quote from: MAP on May 06, 2019, 02:13:05 PM
Great news about Walt! I'm sure getting back to railroading will be one of the best therapies he could have.
Mark
Mark
Thanks Mark - yes - the model railroading is good therapy.
The helix has one more 1/2 loop to complete and I will be at the top level. Here is a progress picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060519144724.jpeg&hash=ef667823d4e7e01faad7910519a222659a4c5e6c)
WOW!!!! Looks Great John. Dennis
Hmmm... I would have used my biscuit joiner for those butt joints on the helix arms, and then put a piece underneath. But in part that's because I happen to have a biscuit joiner and big pile of biscuits to use :-) :-)
dave
Very nice job John.
Quote from: deemery on May 06, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
Hmmm... I would have used my biscuit joiner for those butt joints on the helix arms, and then put a piece underneath. But in part that's because I happen to have a biscuit joiner and big pile of biscuits to use :-) :-)
dave
I prefer the lap joints with plywood, Dave. ;)
Quote from: PRR Modeler on May 06, 2019, 05:55:42 PM
Very nice job John.
Thank you Curt - I need to take pictures as I build this because it's all going to be covered.
I made a little more progress today. Added the front piece of plywood to the upper level for setup and started the lower level benchwork behind the sofa. Once I have everything setup and in place I can move the sofa to work on the track work. Okay, so the starving artist painting is coming down tomorrow. I bought that for my apartment when I just got out of college and had no money. I've found a place to hang it for a lot of years but I think it going to come down for the layout. I wonder what it's worth. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-060519222719.jpeg&hash=c7c9c8fbb3c4ec51c29c0be36a43c8c74de9d3fe)
Really looking good John. I like the bench work.
Jim
I LOVE IT WHEN A TRAIN TAKES OVER THE HOUSE !!!!! ;D
Quote from: jimmillho on May 07, 2019, 10:54:09 AM
Really looking good John. I like the bench work.
Jim
Jim
Thank you for following along. I using 2x4 for the frame work - overkill - but much cheaper than by 1 x 3 pine. I will be able to climb on top of this - if required.
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 07, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
I LOVE IT WHEN A TRAIN TAKES OVER THE HOUSE !!!!! ;D
Dennis
Don't let the CFO hear that! Only my negotiated space. ;) And I'm only using my golf money.
My CFO says as long as her craft room is not touched. I'm good lol. Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 07, 2019, 12:26:46 PM
My CFO says as long as her craft room is not touched. I'm good lol. Dennis
Keeping the CFO happy is the only way to run a railroad.
Today, I spent most of the day laying out the top area above the helix. This area will have a large roundhouse and turntable. I tried a number of different designs - starting with the one I settled on in the computer. Once I got it all mocked up full scale on the plywood I didn't like having turnouts and turntable areas that were out of reach if something went wrong. By shifting the turntable to one side I gave up some outside storage tracks but gained some roundhouse stalls. I also moved the turnouts farther back so I could reach through the wall to retrieve any locomotive that got hung up on a turnout. If you have a turnout someone is going to run through it without aligning the points. Here is a picture of the design mocked up. If I still feel the same way about it, after reviewing it again in the morning, I will be implementing it. The Roundhouse will have 3 stalls, then a gap for the feeder spur, and then another 10 stalls. So technically there will be two roundhouses served by one turntable. I have seen pictures of many prototype roundhouses with this type of design and have always liked it. I will be scratch building this roundhouse using brick walls that I purchased from Monster Models before they went out of business. I should mention that the last loop of the helix that you see in the picture will be below this level when it is installed. I clamped it in place above the roundhouse level so I could mark the cuts I need to make for clearance.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-070519222305.jpeg&hash=d216e3d98a65a26779835306df102eab2422ce9e)
If this design survives the morning after test, I will be cutting a hole in the wall tomorrow. ;) :o
We have faith in you :)
Impressive work John.
Jim
Jim and Dennis
Thank you for the kind words and stopping by the thread. I'm cutting a hole in the wall today.
Today was a pretty productive day on the Superior & Seattle RR. I started the day by confirming that I was happy with the new design for the roundhouse and turntable area for the Superior Yard. As reported, yesterday, I made some changes based on reachability. You need to be able to get at turnouts if there is a problem. Usually, it's someone running through a turnout with out aligning it properly. So this morning I confirmed that there was a way of getting at a locomotive or piece of rolling stock from all areas in the new portion of the layout. I started the implementation phase by removing the reversing loop from my workshop. I has already got a good start before I took this picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080519200553.jpeg&hash=a8bdfe2b67f53bf12c12bc71afc08b1c48100324)
Here is what it looked like about an hour later. It has been a lot of years since I have seen the top of that workbench.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080519213448.jpeg&hash=ded892465b4ecdff345d468d4cd46ac30205020a)
Next, I did all the saber saw work for the top of helix. The hole for the turntable and the clearance for the last loop of the helix.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080519213623.jpeg&hash=91e96e1da3da66d68ee67d700f61e103d2671c6e)
It was then time to officially break through the wall and expand the layout.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080519213653.jpeg&hash=d75c17be495d9bf660fb2ad29adbe0052e941897)
In this last picture the final loop of the helix is clamped up in position. I have a couple more boards to cut and braces to put in place before it is ready for cork and track. The upper level of the helix is ready to put in place once this is complete. Work for another day.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080519213728.jpeg&hash=5b54ba660491ba84799b6677c0e19d47b022ce19)
It is about seven feet from the front of this section to the back wall. If a locomotive gets in trouble in the back I can easily reach through the hole in the wall. The benchwork is easily strong enough to get up on to complete the track work.
John, Lot's of construction. I love it!!!!! Looks like my basement ;) Dennis
Great days work, John.
Its great when you get to tick things off that never ending list at a greater rate than it seems to grow!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 08, 2019, 10:07:53 PM
John, Lot's of construction. I love it!!!!! Looks like my basement ;) Dennis
Dennis
Thank you for following along. We are making progress.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on May 09, 2019, 01:05:06 AM
Great days work, John.
Its great when you get to tick things off that never ending list at a greater rate than it seems to grow!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for following along - my list seems to grow as I work on implementing what's already on the list. ;) It's just the way the hobby works.
John,
Wow, great progress my friend. I can smell the sawdust from here. 8) 8)
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 09, 2019, 05:26:37 PM
John,
Wow, great progress my friend. I can smell the sawdust from here. 8) 8)
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by - the sawdust smells good. I like the idea of the railroad expanding.
Today, the helix was completed, and I started adding the top level to the benchwork. As I mentioned, earlier, this top area will have a large roundhouse and turntable. It will be built on my workbench on a piece of 1/4 inch plywood that will be glued and screwed in place on top of the 3/4 inch plywood that you see in the photograph. The helix has all the drop wires soldiered on and pasted the test car inspection. No pumps or out of gauge track that put it on the ground as it wound it's way from the top to bottom level. I even gave it a shove at the top and let it fly at "Greg speed plus" and it didn't come off the track. Tomorrow, I plan on pulling some wires and getting started with some power to the area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-100519195055.jpeg&hash=0f24fcfd532466de58e1ccfe0c18159e3db438f4)
Wildlife report: So far, I have had 10 deer, a raccoon, a possum, a fox, to many squirrels to count, and a wild turkey look in the window at me as I was building the helix.
Beautiful job John, Cant wait to see your Roundhouse ;)
Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 10, 2019, 08:23:43 PM
Beautiful job John, Cant wait to see your Roundhouse ;)
Dennis
Dennis
Thank you, I'm not sure when the roundhouse will make it to the top of the build list. It's a long list. ;)
Looking great John! You're really knocking off a lot of things on your expansion. Keep those progress pics coming.
Quote from: MAP on May 11, 2019, 08:45:48 AM
Looking great John! You're really knocking off a lot of things on your expansion. Keep those progress pics coming.
Hi Mark
Thank you for the complements. I'm really looking forward to get this new yard area functioning. It is going to help with progress on the rest of the layout, too. The expansion of my workshop is also a welcome change.
Today, Wayne Olson and I spent part of the day pulling the need wires for the expansion of the layout. The two pair of main power district wires had to go from the main control panel all the way to the opposite side of the layout - roughly 80 feet because of the L shape of the benchwork. We also spent some time perfecting the technique we are using to do the final coloring of all the rock work on the layout using chalks and pigments. I really like how it makes the features of the rocks pop, and allows you to create more depth. I will take pictures when we get an area completed.
I made some more progress on the benchwork for the expansion. This expansion is Phase IV of the layout build. In Phase V the entertainment center will be replaced and the upper layer of the layout will fill that area. The TV and stereo will be built into the benchwork. Constantly planning ahead. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-120519210023.jpeg&hash=371e46bb30fc89bf76ce6a08e2d1d5a5d526a55b)
Wow...that's an ambitious expansion...When is the Expo coming to your town?
John
I agree WOW!!!!!!!!!!! It's looking great John.
Quote from: cuse on May 13, 2019, 06:35:37 AM
Wow...that's an ambitious expansion...When is the Expo coming to your town?
John
Thanks for stopping by John. It would be nice to have an EXPO in the Midwest.
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 13, 2019, 04:38:06 PM
I agree WOW!!!!!!!!!!! It's looking great John.
Thank you Dennis. The lower level of this area is going to be one big yard. The upper level Phase V, will be all scratch built structures, if the current plan passes the test of time. Phase V is probably 5 or more years from now.
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You need a showing ;) Dennis
Todays progress picture: The framing is almost complete. I need to make a run to the lumber yard for a few more 2x4's in the morning. I should start adding the plywood top tomorrow.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-130519220326.jpeg&hash=c64014565531702b82d1f805c96b44126bb15a19)
Wow! :o That's really impressive John.
Hey John
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! That's really cool. Looks like the kitchen cabinets.
Karl
John,
Storage space for out of view stuff, ya just can't have to much storage space - of any kind.
Looks great.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 14, 2019, 05:08:36 PM
John,
Storage space for out of view stuff, ya just can't have to much storage space - of any kind.
Looks great.
Tom ;D
Yes, but stuff expands to exceed to storage space available!
dave
Quote from: ReadingBob on May 14, 2019, 12:45:21 PM
Wow! :o That's really impressive John.
Thank you Bob. I think this new area, along with the expanded workshop space is really going to help with the pace of progress on the whole layout.
Quote from: postalkarl on May 14, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
Hey John
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! That's really cool. Looks like the kitchen cabinets.
Karl
Hi Karl
Thank you for following along, the cabinets were originally going to be home made, but after pricing out prebuilt cabinets vs buying the supplies I need to build them myself, I bought the cabinets. I much rather spend my time working on the layout.
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 14, 2019, 05:08:36 PM
John,
Storage space for out of view stuff, ya just can't have to much storage space - of any kind.
Looks great.
Tom ;D
Tom
I agree. Keeping the top of the benchwork clear when I'm working on the layout saves so much time.
Quote from: deemery on May 15, 2019, 02:23:38 AM
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 14, 2019, 05:08:36 PM
John,
Storage space for out of view stuff, ya just can't have to much storage space - of any kind.
Looks great.
Tom ;D
Yes, but stuff expands to exceed to storage space available!
dave
I have reached the point where I'm not keeping anything that doesn't have a location planned for it on the layout. That includes the upper level of new expansion area.
Update: The plywood is going on the new expansion.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519213059.jpeg&hash=967116cb4150fc970dcae1c5f640c15219f7c4e5)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519213131.jpeg&hash=d4895687ff716b64134a1ee8adce89dededef562)
First step - get out the belt sander and get all the high spots off the framework.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519215011.jpeg&hash=7e2a16ada03e324fa1f7080547f3ac76c97c2b9e)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519215059.jpeg&hash=2a998ed843bebe3ed0e7670491c05c5ad0245b0f)
This evening I have all the plywood screwed down and cut to size.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519212535.jpeg&hash=5fadcb54ce46e6a24f88147fbf97312b29f8317b)
I don't know how you do EVERYTHING You do John. (Amazing Job)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519212606.jpeg&hash=45ef40f1b83c95e056f9e8990fb5aa5c505f7855)
In this picture you can see where the oak facia board will fit in. The control panels will also go in this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519212636.jpeg&hash=063677bd383b4a5d88cb91bc434f4b29b60e0f27)
Tomorrow morning I will do a once over on all the seams with the belt sander and it will be time to start laying track. I have some work to do on the framework in the hallway and then I will also add the plywood there. I also need to put the hole through the wall to the South side of the yard, in the hallway. I did a little test with the laser to see if I could use it to put down the lines for the track. This track is going to be straight - works great.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150519212719.jpeg&hash=09a72933f0d18bb4f4b35c13df37e9b052dff029)
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 15, 2019, 09:53:38 PM
I don't know how you do EVERYTHING You do John. (Amazing Job)
Thank you Dennis. I'm having fun!
Looking good, John.
Structurally wise, as you have used 4x2's on their flat rather than their edge, this is really no difference to using 2x1's on their edge. The span seems to be 4' (going by the timber paneling probably being 2' wide). I wonder whether you might be wise to cut some jack studs and slip them in with some glue between what you have (ie 2' centers). I believe the rule is 1' of span for every inch of thickness. On their edge you would have achieved this. Probably overkill - but also about 10 minutes of easy work. Cut them nice and tight and use a bar to lift the top 4x2 up a couple of mm's while you slide into position, pre glued.
As always I am amazed by your energy levels! I find your thread very motivating!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on May 16, 2019, 01:24:26 AM
Looking good, John.
Structurally wise, as you have used 4x2's on their flat rather than their edge, this is really no difference to using 2x1's on their edge. The span seems to be 4' (going by the timber paneling probably being 2' wide). I wonder whether you might be wise to cut some jack studs and slip them in with some glue between what you have (ie 2' centers). I believe the rule is 1' of span for every inch of thickness. On their edge you would have achieved this. Probably overkill - but also about 10 minutes of easy work. Cut them nice and tight and use a bar to lift the top 4x2 up a couple of mm's while you slide into position, pre glued.
As always I am amazed by your energy levels! I find your thread very motivating!
Cheers, Mark.
HI Mark
Thank you for following along. I will be adding 1"x 4" edge wise on the widest section once all the tortoise machines (there will be a lot of them) are in place. I'm not concerned about strength but I want to make an L section to make sure I don't get any warpage down the road. I spent a lot of time getting the top surface flat and want to keep it that way.
Hey John:
It's looking good. Can't wait for some more progress reports.
Karl
I think a cheap laser level is a good investment. It's always great to see this kind of work (that goes underneath the track.)
dave
Quote from: postalkarl on May 16, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
Hey John:
It's looking good. Can't wait for some more progress reports.
Karl
Thanks Karl. I started laying track today. I will post more pictures when I have made significant progress.
Quote from: deemery on May 16, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
I think a cheap laser level is a good investment. It's always great to see this kind of work (that goes underneath the track.)
dave
Dave
I find the laser levels to be a very useful tools in the layout room. The benchwork is the foundation for everything that comes after. It needs to be strong enough to do the job and easy access is critical for all the wiring, turnout controls, signals, etc. I can reach every location under this new section of benchwork. Once everything is complete the facia boards will cover it up. The cabinets are sink bases so the front panels just pop off if I need to get into the works for maintance.
Morning John, Long time ago on page 87 2nd picture is that Lattice Beam bought or made by you? Thanks Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 17, 2019, 09:23:14 AM
Morning John, Long time ago on page 87 2nd picture is that Lattice Beam bought or made by you? Thanks Dennis
Dennis
I bought those beams from Plastruct - I believe they are still available.
Thank you sir............
Update: The top of the benchwork has been sanded - let the track work begin.
Today, I put down the track on the upper level for the helix and reversing loop. While the glue was drying the layout work was started for the yard. This job is so much easier with the laser. It has been a long time since I started track work for a large section of a layout. I'm really having fun with this.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-180519223730.jpeg&hash=d8a14badfedf98b173897ab3f2ab6c89f1596980)
I finished the day by starting to put the cork in place.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-180519223810.jpeg&hash=8949f8aa2f31d200fc29b6f0372be60356d7df63)
Progress at its finest!!
Jerry
Very nice job on the wood working.
Yesterday, I started laying the track for the yard. I'm spreading all the turnouts out on the plywood to see if I want to make any changes.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-200519072700.jpeg&hash=7206d030f2acbf52996927a8aea0fdc2a20e476a)
Also, cut the hole for passage into the hall way. I cut one stud and decide to change the track configuration to keep from cutting any more. This hole will be covered by the upper level on one side but I'm working on ways to disguise it on both sides.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-200519072754.jpeg&hash=1e964fadd675c573448728f22f13bcc7773eaa85)
Track plan version 3.0 is in the works.
Honestly you can't get any better then this. I came here last December and been amazed by all the work you (John) and the other guys and woman can do here. I read about 80% of your work John and other's. Member's like you and other's are the reason why RR modeling is still alive. Dennis B
Quote from: DennisBourey on May 20, 2019, 07:53:11 AM
Honestly you can't get any better then this. I came here last December and been amazed by all the work you (John) and the other guys and woman can do here. I read about 80% of your work John and other's. Member's like you and other's are the reason why RR modeling is still alive. Dennis B
Dennis
Thank you for following along, we all learn from each other here.
Nice progress, John.
Best to keep some timber in the walls...
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on May 20, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
Nice progress, John.
Best to keep some timber in the walls...
Cheers, Mark.
Yes it is, even if it's only holding up the dry wall. I showed my wife how easy it is to fix them if we ever decided to move. I'm not planning on it. ;)
Hey John:
Keep up the good work. Don't forget to post pics when its done.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on May 21, 2019, 08:56:58 AM
Hey John:
Keep up the good work. Don't forget to post pics when its done.
Karl
Karl
Thanks for following along - finish pictures are a little ways off on this project. ;)
Update: Laying track in the new section. It's amazing how fast a tortoise machine goes in when it's only a few inches under the benchwork - easily with-in reach as you line things up. I will take some progress pictures tomorrow - so far the track plan from the computer is working out pretty good, only a few minor changes.
It looks like we lost a few days in the server change over. I will work on getting some update photographs on the expansion project.
Updates are on hold until the administrator can fix a data base error with the picture gallery. I can only post words with no pictures. The S&S RR is standing by until we get that troublesome box full of switches working properly.
Here we go with an update post to test the gallery on the new server.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-290519100145.jpeg&hash=ff738dee77c329905f38c056c441936a14eda26b)
Looks like we are up and running again. The only issue I had was that I had to dial down the resolution of my picture to get below the 4.7 M limit. This was not necessary with the old server.
Hey John:
Sound good. Glad you have everything working well.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on May 29, 2019, 04:54:37 PM
Hey John:
Sound good. Glad you have everything working well.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for stopping by. It looks like things are getting back to normal, here on the forum.
The benchwork has been completed in the hallway. I took a couple progress pictures as I was testing the track placement.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300519112816.jpeg&hash=935733b837c60e4c2055444dab66921fe399cbdf)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300519112726.jpeg&hash=14d9ac5c3cb3f59496e9e30f2f1b95b8699565b5)
Looking good John.
Quite an undertaking John, but I like it. It does not look like the opening is high enough for some Engines.
Jim
...and the bench-work looks to be the same height on either side of the wall!
I remember well one time when my boss made up a three walled shield out of custom wood to disguise a toilet vent in a multi-unit. He cut all the pieces, screwed and glued together, sanded the edges, and then carried up five flights of scaffolding where he put it in position and we all noted that it was about a foot too short!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: jimmillho on May 30, 2019, 02:13:40 PM
Quite an undertaking John, but I like it. It does not look like the opening is high enough for some Engines.
Jim
Jim
I think it's an optical allusion - clearance height is 3 1/8 inches above the track. Nothing that I own gets up that high. If it did there are a lot of tunnels that would be a problem on this mountain railroad. Thank you for the observation - I did go out and check the height. ;)
Quote from: mark dalrymple on May 30, 2019, 09:36:13 PM
...and the bench-work looks to be the same height on either side of the wall!
I remember well one time when my boss made up a three walled shield out of custom wood to disguise a toilet vent in a multi-unit. He cut all the pieces, screwed and glued together, sanded the edges, and then carried up five flights of scaffolding where he put it in position and we all noted that it was about a foot too short!
Cheers, Mark.
You are correct Mark. Didn't even have to use shims to line it up. Full disclosure, the hole was already in the wall when I put the top on the benchwork in the hall way. ;) I was going to cut the corner a little more but the stud locations didn't allow for it. I will be able to hold a 30 inch minimum yard radius with the current configuration.
John,
You've been busy and it looks great. Love all the track and turnouts. Keep up the great job my friend.
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on May 31, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
John,
You've been busy and it looks great. Love all the track and turnouts. Keep up the great job my friend.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by the thread. I have been putting in some quality model train time the last few months. Enjoying every minute of it. This is going to be a very busy area of the layout.
Finally getting caught up on my favorite build threads...really coming along great, John.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Quote from: Dave K. on May 31, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Finally getting caught up on my favorite build threads...really coming along great, John.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dave
Thank you - more track going in every week.
John
The new extension is looking good.
Looking forward to seeing this part done.
Jerry
Quote from: Jerry on June 01, 2019, 09:12:12 AM
John
The new extension is looking good.
Looking forward to seeing this part done.
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you for following along. This extension is moving along - I have about 1/4 of track and turnouts down.
Update on the expansion: Starting the reversing wye and the curves to the South Sidings.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-010619162024.jpeg&hash=fa54ef2b7c4d956c9950e984ab584138babfe0e6)
You use the nailer for the cork?
dave
Quote from: deemery on June 01, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
You use the nailer for the cork?
dave
Yes, it is all glued down so the brad nails hold it in place until the glue dries.
Great progress John! Thanks for all of the update pics.
Quote from: MAP on June 02, 2019, 06:17:59 AM
Great progress John! Thanks for all of the update pics.
Mark
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. Once I get past this section with all the turnouts, the progress should go faster.
Update: I opened the 4th case of cork for the expansion, this morning. I keep rotating between putting cork down, laying track and turnouts, and installing tortoise switch machines.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030619150151.jpeg&hash=63ceae314f9273068ea6341fe894d3eef7ce53c1)
John, Wow!!!!! I like the way its turning out...... Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 03, 2019, 04:27:27 PM
John, Wow!!!!! I like the way its turning out...... Dennis
Dennis
Thank you for the kind words. There is certainly going to be a lot of space to store rolling stock when this is done.
I'm spending some time, today, updating my design to reflect all the changes I'm making to the track plan as I'm building the expansion. This always happens when you let an Engineer build something. The pictures from the CAD design are going to be used for the control panels so they have to be right. I will post the final track plan when it's built and I can't make any more changes. ;)
Okay, so it appears that I'm making a lot of changes as I build this yard. I erased the track from my CAD drawing and will be recreating it with the pictures from the build. ;)
True Engineer ;)
Yesterday, Wayne Olson was over and we did some more experimenting with the chalks and pigments over the acrylic paints on the layout stonework. Here are a couple pictures.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080619192107.jpeg&hash=5da3033fa8f7cab05e64985d94d0e15961fac224)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-080619192036.jpeg&hash=72cb56787709698d82a661f29b5645612aafe186)
WOW, just wow John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 09, 2019, 10:17:49 AM
WOW, just wow John.
Thanks Curt - I think it makes a big difference.
Fantastic...you've got a lot of rock faces to go over now!
John
Quote from: cuse on June 09, 2019, 06:46:10 PM
Fantastic...you've got a lot of rock faces to go over now!
John
[/quote
John
Thank you for the kind words - yes, we do have a lot of rock surfaces to go over but I think it is going to be well worth the time and effort. The way the rock starts popping out at you, not being able to tell the difference between the color of the plaster rocks and the "real" ones, and the difference in the texture make it all worth it. The texture change alone makes a big difference. The track work will be the next order of business - I have already done some experimenting.
The trains of weights are getting longer as the expansion work continues.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090619191817.jpeg&hash=73172c010b3f5ccec2b83fba7eb40c42578aaf78)
The North side of the yard will have 12 sidings and the main leg of the reversing wye.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090619191745.jpeg&hash=eb76617f4d881ffc8776d9fb3258e0713d4bb1a8)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090619191720.jpeg&hash=bf17d9b8b82abf2b2145adc620807d2a797e5212)
I also started the connection board for expansion. This board will be mounted underneath the layout with feeder wires to the main control panel for the switches. The Superior Yard will have two power districts and at least 23 blocks that will be individually controlled by a switch so I can turn the power off for testing, startup, and locomotive sound control.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090619191651.jpeg&hash=c75849f294c3526d3546d7295124d662f60de170)
The last few pictures have been posted using the reduced resolution picture formate required by the new server. If you zoom in to look at a detail in the picture you start loosing picture quality pretty fast. What do you think?
Good looking progress. I think the photos are fine.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 09, 2019, 08:07:45 PM
Good looking progress. I think the photos are fine.
Curt
Thank you for following along and reviewing the new picture quality.
You're really moving along John. Great progress! The pics look good to me, however I don't really blow them up so can't comment on the quality or graininess of them when enlarged.
John, Everything on this end look's great!!!! Dennis
Pictures come across very well. A lot bigger than mine.
Outstanding John. Really did make the stone work pop!!!
What color chalks/pigments are you using to do the coatings over the stone & rock work??
Jerry
Quote from: MAP on June 10, 2019, 06:33:48 AM
You're really moving along John. Great progress! The pics look good to me, however I don't really blow them up so can't comment on the quality or graininess of them when enlarged.
Mark
Thank you for your comments - I tend to zoom in on the details in pictures and that's where I notice the difference. The expansion is coming along about 1/3 of the track is down.
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 10, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
John, Everything on this end look's great!!!! Dennis
Dennis
Thank you for your comments. I went back and looked at some of the F&SM pictures I posted a few years back and realized that I'm usually looking at the pictures in High Definition on my Apple so it does make a big difference.
John, I'm sure lots of the guys here are behind me when WE say your doing a top notch job on the Superior & Seattle Railroad. Your picture's are always great to view and perfect references.
Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 10, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
John, I'm sure lots of the guys here are behind me when WE say your doing a top notch job on the Superior & Seattle Railroad. Your picture's are always great to view and perfect references.
Dennis
Amen to that. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Jim
Quote from: Oldguy on June 10, 2019, 10:42:43 AM
Pictures come across very well. A lot bigger than mine.
Thank you for your comments. I like the details so I want to make sure they look good on all monitors and computers.
Quote from: Jerry on June 10, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
Outstanding John. Really did make the stone work pop!!!
What color chalks/pigments are you using to do the coatings over the stone & rock work??
Jerry
Jerry
I have a couple dozen colors of pigments/chalks that we are using. I will take a picture of palette next time we work on this project. The rule I use is to have at least three shades of a color. Like three shades of brown and they shades of grey. We are also using three shades of green for the moss on the rocks. I will post more on this process as we get it perfected.
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 10, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
John, I'm sure lots of the guys here are behind me when WE say your doing a top notch job on the Superior & Seattle Railroad. Your picture's are always great to view and perfect references.
Dennis
Dennis and Jim
Thank you for your kind words - I'm having fun creating my little world - I really enjoy this hobby.
Update: Continued progress with the expansion, it has now swallowed up 5 cases of cork roadbed 50 sections of flex track, and 30 turnouts. I purchased 7 cases of cork roadbed and 175 section of track for the project with the original design, so we will see how much I use with new and improved design.
John,
Rock and mountains are fantastic looking. Like you, I try to purchase in bulk. As Howard Zane said, "Get all you need prior to the project. If you have to stop in the middle for supplies, you don't go back to it right away or even a few days."
Tom ;D
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 13, 2019, 03:59:22 PM
John,
Rock and mountains are fantastic looking. Like you, I try to purchase in bulk. As Howard Zane said, "Get all you need prior to the project. If you have to stop in the middle for supplies, you don't go back to it right away or even a few days."
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I couldn't agree more about the supplies, I hate waiting for the UPS man in in the middle of the project. The problems with supply in our hobby right now make this more important than ever. I had some of the supplies for this expansion on backorder for more than 6 months. I actually had to make some changes because I never received some of the turnouts that I had on order.
Hey John:
It coming along very nicely. Thanks for the pics.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on June 14, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
Hey John:
It coming along very nicely. Thanks for the pics.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the kind words and following along.
Here is another progress picture of the North End of the yard. I burned through close to another case of cork road bed, today. The track is in for this end of the reversing WYE along with the by-pass loop. This is going to be a very busy portion of the layout. Tomorrow, I will be completing the cork road bed for this area and putting down as much track as I can. My plan is to complete the track before I go back in and install the rest of the tortoise machines. I will then start adding the drops and wiring everything to the main control panel. There will be a fourth control panel for the power to the tracks for Superior Yard and control of all of the turnouts for this area.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-140619222257.jpeg&hash=29e9871e34da90415a28a1b0a44e76c86d28f88e)
I made some more progress on the Superior Yard today. The cork roadbed is complete for the North End of the Yard. The track placement and turnout placement decisions are made so I can update my CAD design and printout the pictures for the control panel. The track gluing procedure is going faster as I add paint cans, water bottles, and assorted other items to weight it down while the glue dries.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-150619192746.jpeg&hash=6779516c7aae447fd42c26cd45cdd12195b3ab08)
Check with a granite countertop company, ask them for samples from discontinued/out of stock granite slabs. They make great weights.
dave
Quote from: deemery on June 15, 2019, 08:27:28 PM
Check with a granite countertop company, ask them for samples from discontinued/out of stock granite slabs. They make great weights.
dave
Dave
Yes, the small pieces of granite do make excellent weights. I have a couple of them from one of my building projects. If you slide this picture over to the right you will see one of them in use. I may just stop and see if I can get some more. While I was typing this I thought of something else that's going to get a test. I have a couple boxes of ceramic tiles left over from the bathroom remodeling.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-160619074809.jpeg&hash=e52718e226c679b022f60ab03d243f2ce9535ffb)
I will be taking a few days this week to get the workshop back in order after the changes for the expansion. I have a casting project that needs to be done so all the workbenches need to be cleaned, including building a new workbench and some shelving for the area cleared out by moving the reversing loop into the expansion area. The plan is to glue down as much track as I have weight for first thing in the morning and then moving into the workshop project and casting project while the glue dries.
Hey John:
sounds like you are having lots of fun.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on June 17, 2019, 03:36:13 PM
Hey John:
sounds like you are having lots of fun.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for stopping by - yes, I'm having lots of fun.
That sure is a lot of cork & track you've got there John! Coming along nicely.
Quote from: MAP on June 18, 2019, 06:44:14 AM
That sure is a lot of cork & track you've got there John! Coming along nicely.
Mark
Thanks for stopping by - yes it is a lot of cork and track, I can't wait to see it full of locomotives and rolling stock.
I completed the junction panel for the track power, as far as I could take it on the workbench. I need the bench space for a casting project. The switches will be mounted on the main control panel and allow for on off control for each power block. All of the power leads to each block of track will be connected to this panel underneath the layout. I wired all five of the control panels this same way, which as discussed before, gives me the ability to power each block of track separately, which makes finding a short much easier. It also allows for turning off a section of track loaded with locomotives for system startup, and when the noise of every locomotive on the layout sounding off all at once.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190619145104.jpeg&hash=68323e86da6226183e606b054a40d1255567a546)
I glued down the last section of track for the North end of the yard. Next up is the curves into the South Yard.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-200619181002.jpeg&hash=4ecc4eca8a01a239405fbfa72198fa3e445a081a)
I did a count this afternoon and it's going to be close on having enough sections of track to complete this job.
Here is the view of the North Yard from the other side of the room. My goal is to get the track all down for this Phase of the layout this weekend. I want to be able to concentrate on getting power to the track next week.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-210619174946.jpeg&hash=73e812252b8e9ad6c3ef83f1bf08e39108adb482)
John,
Wow, that is going to be a great yard, What am I saying, it is a great looking yard.
Well done my friend.
Tom ;D
You're doing really nice work and the yard will be huge.
Between yard work and yard work there can't be much time left in the day!
Looking very impressive, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 21, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
John,
Wow, that is going to be a great yard, What am I saying, it is a great looking yard.
Well done my friend.
Tom ;D
I have to agree with Tom. Very well done. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Jim
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 21, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
John,
Wow, that is going to be a great yard, What am I saying, it is a great looking yard.
Well done my friend.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for stopping by and the kind words. I have been putting a lot of hours in trying to get this yard operational. I should get to the electrification part next week.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 21, 2019, 07:04:00 PM
You're doing really nice work and the yard will be huge.
Curt
Thank you for the complements and yes this yard will be capable of holding a lot of rolling stock. It will be the center of activity during operation sessions.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on June 21, 2019, 07:28:24 PM
Between yard work and yard work there can't be much time left in the day!
Looking very impressive, John.
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
You are correct, my two yard projects are keeping me busy. This year we are having record rain fall so the nice days outside have been few and far between. My outside projects are backed up about 8 weeks. I had the house painted and a sliding door installed last week. I hope to get to staining my deck this coming week. As soon as we get some summer like weather my yard time is going to take away from my yard building time, for a few weeks.
Quote from: jimmillho on June 21, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 21, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
John,
Wow, that is going to be a great yard, What am I saying, it is a great looking yard.
Well done my friend.
Tom ;D
I have to agree with Tom. Very well done. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Jim
Jim
Thank you for stopping by the thread and the complement. I sure have burned through a lot of cork roadbed, flex track and turnouts on this project.
Here is a picture of the North End of Superior Yard with a little less clutter on top of the benchwork. I have a few holes to fill and then it will be on to the South End of the yard.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-220619204406.jpeg&hash=a6b2bf844c07892aa958076b8ed611eb3ed46aee)
John, This is looking Great!!!!!!!!!!
Dennis
Quote from: S&S RR on February 26, 2017, 09:12:29 PM
Index Updated 6/22/19.
INDEX
Volume 1
See post above on page 1
Volume 2
Vol 2. Page 1 Adding trees to the mountains.
Vol 2. Page 2 Using a Mortar & Pestle to create fine sand.
Vol 2. Page 3 Mountain Surgery
Vol 2. Page 4 Clay mockup of Phase III.
Vol 2. Page 5 Phase III Expansion
Vol 2. Page 6 Straightening the curves
Vol 2. Page 7 New Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 8 Phase III track work
Vol 2. Page 9 More Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 10 Making Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 12 New Crew member
Vol 2. Page 14 Test planting of Aspen Trees
Vol 2. Page 16 Test running the trains
Vol 2. Page 17 Helix build
Vol 2. Page 18 The HOn3 Branchline
Vol 2. Page 19 New HOn3 Locomotive
Vol 2. Page 20 Using my iPad to design the scenery
Vol 2. Page 21 Start of the Mackenzie Milling Build
Vol 2. Page 27 Start of the Isaac's Coal Build
Vol 2. Page 33 Running trains with the expanded crew
Vol 2. Page 35 Continued work on Mackenzie Mill and Isaac's Coal
Vol 2. Page 44 Adding another layer of scenery with some new Pine Trees
Vol 2. Page 53 Isaac's Coal test plant
Vol 2. Page 54 Mackenzie Mill Build continued
Vol 2. Page 55 Locomotive Works build initial planning
Vol 2. Page 56 Isaac's Coal detailing
Vol 2. Page 58 Isaac's Coal on the layout
Vol 2. Page 59 Mackenzie's Mill detailing
Vol 2. Page 60 Clean workbenches
Vol 2. Page 61 Locomotive Works starting the build
Vol 2. Page 63 Future build planning
Vol 2. Page 66 Locomotive Works Roof mockup
Vol 2. Page 68 Locomotive Works Building the walls
Vol 2. Page 70 Painting Detail Castings
Vol 2. Page 73 Locomotive Works the layout site
Vol 2. Page 74 Locomotive Works painting the wall castings
Vol 2. Page 75 Locomotive Works starting the interior details
Vol 2. Page 77 Locomotive Works coloring the wall castings
Vol 2. Page 79 Locomotive Works the roof construction
Vol 2. Page 80 Monster Model Works brick tower
Vol 2. Page 82 Locomotive Works Inspection Pits
Vol 2. Page 83 Locomotive Works Brick Floor
Vol 2. Page 86 Locomotive Works Roof test fit
Vol 2. Page 87 Locomotive Works Overhead Crane installation
Vol 2. Page 90 Locomotive Works more interior details
Vol 2. Page 95 Mackenzie's Mill back on the details
Vol 2. Page 96 Locomotive Works interior lighting
Vol 2. Page 97 Locomotive Works coloring the metal roofing
Vol 2. Page 99 Locomotive Works more interior details
Vol 2. Page 102 Locomotive Works starting the exterior details
Vol 2. Page 103 More lighting for the layout
Vol 2. Page 105 Mackenzie's Mill Pond
Vol 2. Page 107 Planting more trees on the layout
Vol 2. Page 108 Using a mortar and pestle for grinding dirt fine
Vol 2. Page 110 Locomotive Works LED lighting
Vol 2. Page 112 Locomotive Works interior lighting test
Vol 2. Page 115 Layout Expansion
Vol 2. Page 117 More Aspen Trees on the layout
Vol 2. Page 118 Start of the Threadwell's build
Vol 2. Page 120 Threadwell's site planning
Vol 2. Page 123 Ipad mockup of the Threadwell site plan
Vol 2. Page 124 New resin walls for the build
Vol 2. Page 125 Starting the build on the workbench
Vol 2. Page 126 New pictures of the finished area of the layout
Vol 2. Page 128 More Details for the Locomotive Works build
Vol 2. Page 131 New Engineer on the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 133 First structure build for my Grandson
Vol 2. Page 136 Expansion Plans for the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 137 LED lighting for the Threadwell build
Vol 2. Page 138 Adding water to the Threadwell build
Vol 2. Page 140 Threadwell build moved to the layout
Vol 2. Page 141 More Trees
Vol 2. Page 142 Sewall's build start
Vol 2. Page 143 Adding the signs to the Locomotive Works
Vol 2. Page 144 Threadwell build photographs after adding the scenery
Vol 2. Page 146 More layout pictures
Vol 2. Page 148 Design plans discussion
Vol 2. Page 149 Baseboard for Sewall's and Fox Run builds
Vol 2. Page 150 Finishing the turntable area in front of the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 2. Page 152 First locomotives on the Eagles Nest turntable
Vol 2. Page 153 Scenery work around the Stone Roundhouse
Vol 2. Page 154 Draft Layout diagrams for the Phase IV Expansion
Vol 2. Page 155 Servo Turnout Controls
Vol 2. Page 156 The Phase IV Expansion begins
Vol 2. Page 157 Moving furniture and the Phase IV base cabinets
Vol 2. Page 158 Design Changes for the Superior Yard
Vol 2. Page 159 Phase IV construction - the helix
Vol 2. Page 161 Walter P. visits the S&S RR
Vol 2. Page 163 Workshop Expansion
Vol 2. Page 164 Benchwork on the Phase IV expansion
Vol 2. Page 165 The table top of the lower level of the the Phase IV expansion
Vol 2. Page 166 Using lasers to keep the track straight
Vol 2. Page 167 The Phase IV track work begins
Vol 2. Page 169 Design Changes
Vol 2. Page 170 Control Panel Build
Vol 2. Page 172 The North Yard Construction
Vol 2. Page 174
I updated the index to volume 2 of this build thread, tonight. This thread is getting close to the maximum number of pages (200). I will be closing it and starting Volume 3 in the next few weeks.
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 22, 2019, 08:53:13 PM
John, This is looking Great!!!!!!!!!!
Dennis
Dennis
Thank you for the compliment. It will look a lot better with some ballast and full of rolling stock. It will be awhile before I add the ballast. I want to get a lot of run time in on it to see if any changes are required before I ballast the track.
Very nice job John.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on June 23, 2019, 09:00:17 AM
Very nice job John.
Thank you Curt. And also, thank you for following along.
Hey John:
It's coming along quite nicely. Keep da pics a flowin. I love seeing what you are doing.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on June 23, 2019, 11:27:51 AM
Hey John:
It's coming along quite nicely. Keep da pics a flowin. I love seeing what you are doing.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for following along - I try to take a picture or two every few days.
I mentioned that my side project was pouring castings for the brick roundhouse that is going to be in the corner by the window in the Superior Yard. Here is a picture of the casting production. I'm making enough castings for 15 stalls - I have some layout work to do before I start the build. I'm pouring the castings now, while I had the casting materials out - the build of this project is sometime in the future.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240619073306.jpeg&hash=56f697ad1b0b3e64e0172f99d9149881d1ceb609)
John, Look's like a very good build to watch ;) Can't wait.
Dennis
That is going to be an ambitious project. What did you use for the master for your molds?
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 24, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
John, Look's like a very good build to watch ;) Can't wait.
Dennis
I'm looking forward to the build - so many projects. :o ;)
Quote from: sdrees on June 24, 2019, 12:54:04 PM
That is going to be an ambitious project. What did you use for the master for your molds?
Steve
It's the SRMW Brick Roundhouse original castings. I got them in a trade with a very special friend. It sure is a big project - I have over three hundred dollars in mold making and casting supplies already. I passed on this one because I didn't think I would ever have the room for it. That's when the layout was at Phase I.0. I wonder how much the window castings will cost?
It's the last SRMW kit I passed on - they are great for trading even if you don't have room for them on your layout.
Steve, John, It doesn't take long to add up. Even if you have the kit and want to increase the size of the kit. I hope to build my SRMW Brick roundhouse soon. John I love what you did to the floor molding's I wish I thought of that lol. Dennis
John,
At one time I had two of the brick with additional stalls and one stone roundhouse. They were big and very heavy.
I ended up selling all three for just under $8,000. Not a bad deal for the return.
I wish now I kept one of the brick roundhouses.
Tom ;D
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 24, 2019, 02:15:27 PM
Steve, John, It doesn't take long to add up. Even if you have the kit and want to increase the size of the kit. I hope to build my SRMW Brick roundhouse soon. John I love what you did to the floor molding's I wish I thought of that lol. Dennis
Dennis
It will be a lot easier to build this way - I don't have to ship them and I'm using resin so I don't have the same design constraints that Bob had when he did the kit. FYI - although I will be glad I went with resin when it's done - it takes a quart of resin to do 1 stall worth of castings. I just ordered 5 more quarts. Another Hundred dollars. I should have went with hydrocal.
Quote from: ACL1504 on June 24, 2019, 02:56:47 PM
John,
At one time I had two of the brick with additional stalls and one stone roundhouse. They were big and very heavy.
I ended up selling all three for just under $8,000. Not a bad deal for the return.
I wish now I kept one of the brick roundhouses.
Tom ;D
Tom
That's a hard to pass up price. I sure like the way they look and the way I'm doing this mine can be different than all the rest. I just pulled up the pictures I took of Dick Elwell's version - lots of possibilities.
Update: Today, I got about half of the cork road bed down for the South End of the Superior Yard. I'll take some pictures tomorrow. The track work for the North End is complete and ready for the drop wires to be installed. I want to finish all the track before moving on to the wiring.
The cork roadbed is down for the South End of the Yard. I just have to add the cork for the crossovers. As you can see from the picture, the track is started.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-250619134128.jpeg&hash=2502ca3f5580282bac298bfb25b2d433b5c1e866)
Someone's been a busy guy............... Great job John.
Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 25, 2019, 01:51:39 PM
Someone's been a busy guy............... Great job John.
Dennis
Dennis
Thanks - I have put in a few hours the past couple of days.
Update: I started working on the control panel today. I will be using the touch controls for the turnouts so this is going to be a new thing for me. The plan is to use them for the expansion and if I like them I will convert the rest of the layout. I'm going to post this and come back to it when my internet service is better - currently have very poor service.
I decided that a cardboard mockup was in order for the control panel, so it will be one of the tasks for today. I want something that I can attach a few of the touch controls and get a feel for operations with them. I don't think the traditional vertical panel is the best solution. I will be trying different angles for both viewing and throwing the turnouts. I also want it in a location where I can see the layout I'm controlling without blocking the view of the layout. Maybe I'll have some pictures this weekend.
Here is an overall picture of the North Yard - South Yard is the other side of the wall in the hall way. It is 15 feet 4 inches from the end of the sidings to the wall and 24 feet from end of Siding North Yard to end of Siding South Wall.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-290619132007.jpeg&hash=bf407a3b6229006f13811352dfa8a4d0c39f9f41)
Holly poop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's Awesome and very neatly done John. More layout then house? God Bless Momma :)........ Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 29, 2019, 06:33:54 PM
Holly poop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's Awesome and very neatly done John. More layout then house? God Bless Momma :) ........ Dennis
Amen
Hey John:
WOW very nice. The cabinets are very cool to.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on June 30, 2019, 08:41:36 AM
Hey John:
WOW very nice. The cabinets are very cool to.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for the compliment. The cabinets where the way to go for the base of the layout in this area. I was originally going to build them myself - but after a cost analysis I think I saved money buying them. Wood and hardware prices have skyrocketed - and building them would have taken a couple months out of my modeling time.
Quote from: S&S RR on June 29, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
Here is an overall picture of the North Yard - South Yard is the other side of the wall in the hall way. It is 15 feet 4 inches from the end of the sidings to the wall and 24 feet from end of Siding North Yard to end of Siding South Wall.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-290619132007.jpeg&hash=bf407a3b6229006f13811352dfa8a4d0c39f9f41)
John,
To paraphrase the last person in the White House, "If I had a basement, it would look like yours."
You have a huge amount of space for the two yards and it is all looking very good my friend.
Tom ;D
Tom
Thank you for the kind words, my friend. I have all the track cut and in place for the South Yard. I few dozen more soldier joints and I will finish gluing it in place.
Today, I did a few visualization experiments while I was taking a break from laying track. I'm trying to decide where I want to install the control panel, and if I want one big panel or several smaller ones. Here is a picture of the work in progress switching diagram.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300619201906.jpeg&hash=6330fff7958493dde1a443b8a89770a3596372f6)
Each piece of paper could be a separate control panel for a given area or I could combine them. Any suggestions?
As part of this process, I also made a mockup with a couple of cardboard boxes and a piece of 1x 4 of the upper level that will someday be Phase V of the S&S RR. This addition is many years off but I want to plan ahead.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300619202002.jpeg&hash=f43ad3819ed1c05724944a45723d15d1758bc69f)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300619202106.jpeg&hash=a5c861b60b9063a5a742e51c440690953c6d0db7)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300619202139.jpeg&hash=f7d356a541f15b2e8bca58e90f0826f826dd4859)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300619202310.jpeg&hash=27e25d55d08be70bd5ee0337908e71292e6232ff)
Quote from: S&S RR on June 30, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Today, I did a few visualization experiments while I was taking a break from laying track. I'm trying to decide where I want to install the control panel, and if I want one big panel or several smaller ones. Here is a picture of the work in progress switching diagram.
...
Each piece of paper could be a separate control panel for a given area or I could combine them. Any suggestions?
Are you going to have a separate "tower operator"? If so, that would argue for a single panel. If you're expecting each engineer/operator to use the panel, that would argue for multiple panels, to prevent congestion.
Does that help?
dave
The brick roundhouse on top of the helix is part of Phase IV and as you can see from this picture I'm already using the castings to layout the footprint. This will probably make it to the top of the build list this next winter. ;)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-300619202037.jpeg&hash=a92f71cb1400a0f45bc605c4057d63b3b6530dcf)
Quote from: deemery on June 30, 2019, 08:34:33 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on June 30, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Today, I did a few visualization experiments while I was taking a break from laying track. I'm trying to decide where I want to install the control panel, and if I want one big panel or several smaller ones. Here is a picture of the work in progress switching diagram.
...
Each piece of paper could be a separate control panel for a given area or I could combine them. Any suggestions?
Are you going to have a separate "tower operator"? If so, that would argue for a single panel. If you're expecting each engineer/operator to use the panel, that would argue for multiple panels, to prevent congestion.
Does that help?
dave
Dave
Yes it does help. I'm going back and forth between the two concepts. The North Yard and South Yard will probably work independently and the turning WYE will service both yards. There is also a smaller West Yard that will probably be used for overflow traffic during operation sessions.
Quote from: S&S RR on June 30, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: deemery on June 30, 2019, 08:34:33 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on June 30, 2019, 08:27:50 PM
Today, I did a few visualization experiments while I was taking a break from laying track. I'm trying to decide where I want to install the control panel, and if I want one big panel or several smaller ones. Here is a picture of the work in progress switching diagram.
...
Each piece of paper could be a separate control panel for a given area or I could combine them. Any suggestions?
Are you going to have a separate "tower operator"? If so, that would argue for a single panel. If you're expecting each engineer/operator to use the panel, that would argue for multiple panels, to prevent congestion.
Does that help?
dave
Dave
Yes it does help. I'm going back and forth between the two concepts. The North Yard and South Yard will probably work independently and the turning WYE will service both yards. There is also a smaller West Yard that will probably be used for overflow traffic during operation sessions.
The full size mockups really help me visualize the operations.
John, I will be watching very closely. Looks interesting ;)........Dennis Those base are resin?
Quote from: DennisBourey on June 30, 2019, 08:42:14 PM
John, I will be watching very closely. Looks interesting ;) ........Dennis Those base are resin?
Thank you for following along - yes - the base castings for the roundhouse are resin.
Large stock in Resin Foundry. ;D
Really nice job John.
I'm gluing down the last of the track in the South Yard, today. For the next couple weeks it's going to be wiring and control panel building. First step, will be to add another 30 tortoise machines, then I will be soldiering jumpers for a few days. I will be posting pictures when the control panels start going in - I'm still working on how I want them to be organized.
When you have all the track down can you do a overhead view?
Hey John:
Looks great so far and will be following along.
Karl
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 02, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
When you have all the track down can you do a overhead view?
Curt
Will do - I should be removing all the weights tomorrow, and will take a few overhead pictures so you can see the track plan.
Quote from: postalkarl on July 02, 2019, 05:49:41 PM
Hey John:
Looks great so far and will be following along.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, it's great having you along for the ride.
Update: I spent most of the day, today, working on putting my workshop back together in it's new and improved, expanded format. ;D I feel some structure building coming on, in parallel to the wiring of the layout expansion. ;) ;D
Quote from: S&S RR on July 02, 2019, 06:46:51 PM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 02, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
When you have all the track down can you do a overhead view?
Curt
Will do - I should be removing all the weights tomorrow, and will take a few overhead pictures so you can see the track plan.
Curt
I removed all the weights and tools, etc from the top surface so I could take some overall photographs. I think you will be able to see how this section will work from these pictures. I will try to add some ink, to quote one of our forum members, to try to explain what is planned.
This first picture is of the West Yard. The mainline (third track from the left) comes out of the tunnel from the lowest level of the helix on the far end. The two tracks on the left of the main and three tracks on the right provide access to the North Yard and room for train sorting and staging. The second track from the right also provides a return from the South Yard and the reversing WYE. I plan to add background structures along the wall on the left side.[size=78%] [/size]
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030719191344.jpeg&hash=b36f1671c5e48998f8adabafe09202a62ef56b2e)
This picture shows the top of the T shaped yard. You can see the reversing WYE - it is designed to be able to turn a 14 car train without splitting.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030719191422.jpeg&hash=ebd8160602fab7d2e72a0a215556c9fbe4937e84)
This picture shows the North Yard sidings and the cross overs for sorting trains. The middle tracks are for sorting and the outer tracks are for storage. I have plans for water towers, coaling facilities, locomotive storage sheds, and the usual yard structures in the areas that are not occupied by track.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030719191519.jpeg&hash=3f6719169342a494a1b97a981a3e1c6aaefe5017)
This is the view of the South Yard which is located in the hall way. I plan to have an observation deck, that the train passes through, that will help hide the hole in the wall.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030719191551.jpeg&hash=0204df2d27db61e869515e9440ecbb4df5b4b1a5)
John, That's a incredible job!!!! I would be lost in all of that and I would love whats gonna run this huge layout? And your control panel gotta be huge to replace all your light switches?.....Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 03, 2019, 07:36:47 PM
John, That's a incredible job!!!! I would be lost in all of that and I would love whats gonna run this huge layout? And your control panel gotta be huge to replace all your light switches?.....Dennis
Dennis
The control panel or panels will be above the cabinets in the facia area. I will be building a mockup in the next few days that will show it. This control panel will be just for this yard. I will have touch control switches that control the turnouts and a row of toggle switches that will control power to each of the power blocks. I'm currently working on the graphics for this and will post it when I get it finished. I'm leaning toward three control panels rather than one big one for this area. They will be in a row but give multiple operators more room. I hope to have it so I can reach all three of them from one position - to help when I'm operating alone. The switches for the helix area that control if a train goes through the reversing loop on top of the helix or goes down the helix to the Superior Yard will be controls from this control panel and the Control panel for Eagles Nest Yard.
It's still amazing. No wonder your build has been read over 100,000 times my friend................... Dennis
Finally, for tonight, I'm getting the workshop back in shape so I can start building structures again. I want to be able to work a few hours on wiring and then head in to the workshop and work on some structures. My first structure project will be Fox Run Mill which will be the companion building to the Schwarz Foundry that I built for the challenge this year.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 03, 2019, 07:49:58 PM
It's still amazing. No wonder your build has been read over 100,000 times my friend................... Dennis
Thank you for the complements. I was looking at the original build thread the other day while I was updating the index and noticed that if you combine the views from Volume 1 and Volume 2 we are almost up to half a million views. I think that's amazing for a railroad thread. There are a few layouts here on the forum at that level (Tom is well into his third volume), which says a lot for this forum. This thread is getting close to the 200 page limit that Jimmy asked us to stay under - so I will be starting a Volume 3 in the next few days.
(500,000) VERY IMPRESSIVE SIR.................. kudos to you and Tom.
John, WOW WOW WOW. Like others have said, I would be lost in all of that. Very impressive.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 03, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
John, WOW WOW WOW. Like others have said, I would be lost in all of that. Very impressive.
I could not have said it any better. Impressive is a small word to describe such an undertaking.
Jim
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 03, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
John, WOW WOW WOW. Like others have said, I would be lost in all of that. Very impressive.
Curt
Thank you - it remains to be seen, if I'm not lost. We will see if it works when I get it wired up.
Quote from: jimmillho on July 03, 2019, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 03, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
John, WOW WOW WOW. Like others have said, I would be lost in all of that. Very impressive.
I could not have said it any better. Impressive is a small word to describe such an undertaking.
Jim
Thank you Jim. For some reason my wife uses the word crazy. :o ::)
Test post from iPad.
Ipad test with picture.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-030719191344.jpeg&hash=b36f1671c5e48998f8adabafe09202a62ef56b2e)
The last three posts were for server testing. I have posted without issues from my Apple phone, iPad, and MacBook Pro. ::) Poor Jimmy D. - I wonder if he has any hair left.
Wow John, This sure is impressive. Truly Amazing.
;D ;D ;)
Quote from: Bruce Oberleitner on July 04, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
Wow John, This sure is impressive. Truly Amazing.
;D ;D ;)
Bruce
Thank you for the kind words and for following this thread. I have a lot of wiring to do before I can see how well this works - I can't wait.
Update: I have spent the last couple of days working on my workshop expansion. I'm finding things I forgot I had in the process. I hope to have it ready for some structure building by the end of the weekend. I should take some pictures while it's still clean. ;) ;D
Yes Please!!!!!! :)
Test post from updated MacBook Pro
Great progress! It's really enjoyable watching this portion of the layout take form. Thanks for all of the updates & pics!
Quote from: MAP on July 05, 2019, 06:24:39 PM
Great progress! It's really enjoyable watching this portion of the layout take form. Thanks for all of the updates & pics!
Mark
You are welcome - thank you for following along. I started some wiring, today.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 05, 2019, 11:11:31 AM
Yes Please!!!!!! :)
Dennis
Will do - I have a lot of stuff to move and organize now that the expansion has really happened. I got the lighting in the new area today- love the LED lighting, all of the florescent tubes will be gone soon - so we are one step closer.
Update: Most of my day was spent out in the outside yard getting the deck ready to stain and just enjoying the beautiful weather. I did make some progress this morning on the wiring. Getting electricity to all those rails is going to take a few hours/days.
Hey John:
WOW!!!! great looking yard.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on July 08, 2019, 11:20:05 AM
Hey John:
WOW!!!! great looking yard.
Karl
Thank you Karl, I got my deck staining project completed today, so I will be concentrating on my HO scale yard tomorrow. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: S&S RR on July 08, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
Thank you Karl, I got my deck staining project completed today, so I will be concentrating on my HO scale yard tomorrow. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Some yards are more fun than others.
dave
Quote from: deemery on July 08, 2019, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: S&S RR on July 08, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
Thank you Karl, I got my deck staining project completed today, so I will be concentrating on my HO scale yard tomorrow. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Some yards are more fun than others.
dave
You got that right.
Today, I finished the workbenches/lighting etc. for the new shop area. I started the sifting, sorting, and rearranging process and remembered that I promised to post some pictures of the new work benches before I cluttered them up. This is picture is the new workbench which will serve as my layout and assembly table. I moved the t-slot table top to this workbench. My belt sanders also found a new home here.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090719223506.jpeg&hash=c9b669a37b492d4f59ef15dc5fbbfbeb64c2d04e)
In this new shop configuration my table saw has been moved off my rolling bench onto an extended workbench. I also raised my workbenches 2 inches - remember my back problems last winter. The PT recommend raising the work surfaces and spending more time working on my feet rather than sitting. So far it has really helped.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-090719223548.jpeg&hash=66e79ed1a512583a8739ac78a324117fb6dae3e9)
This new shop configuration should really help with the big builds that I have planned for the next few years. I like combining multiple kits into a diorama on the workbench before moving them to the layout. This setup provides a layout bench, a detailing bench, and three benches for diorama buildups. Let the fun begin.
John, You did a Beautiful job.... you did the v pattern where everything is arm reach.........Dennis
Nice work area, John.
Looking forward to those big builds!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 09, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
John, You did a Beautiful job.... you did the v pattern where everything is arm reach.........Dennis
Dennis
Thank you - I have spent a few hours with the old configuration so I knew what I wanted to change with this remodel. It will be interesting to see if this helps me get closer to "Karl" speed.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on July 10, 2019, 01:16:33 AM
Nice work area, John.
Looking forward to those big builds!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for the complements, I'm looking forward to getting started on those big builds. The Threadwell's and Vogel Tool & Die build last winter convinced me that big dioramas is the way to go. I have actually created a plan which breaks the layout up into build sections. Lots of bench size sections.
I'm really enjoying your build thread - speaking of big builds.
Very nice work area.
Update: I'm back from my fishing trip and ready to start using that new shop area. I will be opening a yellow box today, along with a few yours working on the wiring in the new section of the layout.
John, Cant wait to see your amazing work................Dennis
Hey John:
great work benches. Just beautiful.
Karl
Quote from: postalkarl on July 13, 2019, 11:16:19 AM
Hey John:
great work benches. Just beautiful.
Karl
Karl
Thank you, I spent a good part of the day adding a shelf here, storing clamps there, and generally getting things organized. For those that are suffering from back issues, like I am, raising the work benches 2 inches really helped. I wanted them so I could work on a baseboard without bending over. They will work now for most dioramas and I will use buildups to get things were I need them for the odd shaped baseboards. If you remember my Threadwell's build the baseboard started out 6 inches below my work bench. The key for me is nothing goes lower than the bench surface - higher is okay. I did get the cover off the FSM Fox Run kit - that's about as far as I got, today. I kept coming up with more organizational projects.
Since I've been spending most of my time working on my workshop and wiring there hasn't been many picture taking opportunities the last couple of weeks. This morning I printed out a draft version of the backgrounds for my control panels and thought they may be of interest. The blue boxes will be were the touch controls will be placed. The black numbered boxes are the power districts (color coded) - an on/off switch will be on the control panel for each power district. This drawing will go under the plexiglass face of the control panel. The LED lights of the touch switches will show through where you see the circles. The box showing location of the touch switches will be gone in the final printing. I also have some editing to do.
The switch numbers (in red) are very useful for wiring but will probably also be deleted for the control panels.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-140719112853.jpeg&hash=b47b7b10a7a6673b1f0bfcf419e2167773a5e1fe)
I like the control panel drawings. What program did you use for these?
Jeff
Quote from: Zephyrus52246 on July 14, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
I like the control panel drawings. What program did you use for these?
Jeff
Jeff
Thanks - I use a program called TurboCAD that runs on my MAC. The drawings of my full layout that I have posted in the past were created using the same program.
John....
If you are not careful.... you're going to end up with a real railroad on your hands.
I may have to plan a trip to Michigan sometime to witness this ! ! !
Thanx'
Bob
Quote from: bparrish on July 14, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
John....
If you are not careful.... you're going to end up with a real railroad on your hands.
I may have to plan a trip to Michigan sometime to witness this ! ! !
Thanx'
Bob
Bob
You are welcome anytime, I would love to have you visit. I'm looking forward to getting this new section wired up and running.
Update: Tomorrow will be a special day on the S&S RR. I have one more track joint to link the new expansion to the original layout. The sections will join right over my new workbench. This will complete the track work - but not the wiring. I have many hours of work ahead of me getting everything powered.
John, We can't wait...Dennis
Hey John:
thanks for the reply.
Karl
Update: I completed the track connections so the original layout is now connected to the new expansion. So we officially have a gold spike. I will be working on powering up the track and turnouts in the Superior Yard over the next few weeks. Today, I'm working on the control panel that will connect all those wires that need to be pulled.
NEWS RELEASE S&S RR: This evening the youngest member of our Engineering Staff successfully piloted one of our largest steam locomotives from the mountains above Sellios, across the timber trestle above the Eagles Nest Yard and reached the throat of the Superior Yard yard before loosing power.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190719210847.jpeg&hash=1e90df2a30a4173f4fa71441da0284584455ba6b)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190719210926.jpeg&hash=07074dd3d947f621c1681800522b9b7a4a97de66)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190719211051.jpeg&hash=e629c499a5395450dbbd3125a5df24fd4e8df20d)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190719211007.jpeg&hash=306cf6121ee53bc062c90e370dc699a34fea68da)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190719213847.jpeg&hash=a837e804bb1436ce11e0252a3cb1ec773d6db4bc)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-190719213951.jpeg&hash=9b0477a47335c92f9d834cec84747de97e1fbcc8)
As you can see from the pictures this test run was for the mainline only - construction debris has yet to be cleared. My Grandson Isaac is 3 and is having his first sleep over at Papa's house to help him work on the trains. Tomorrow he will help Papa pull wires so the train can go farther into the yard.
Good Job Isaac, Love it when they start so early and you can tell he's happy and holding interest into model RR. Good for you too!!!
Dennis
Hey John:
Looks just great.
Karl
Looks like great fun. Issac needs a srepstool! :)
Good job Issac. Don't forget your drink container when you get down. ;D ;D ;D
OH yeah, Nice looking track John.
Jim
Very Nice!
(One of these days I need to clean and then try to power my track. :-( )
dave
Great fun, John!!
Cheers, Mark.
Fantastic John and great job Isaac.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 20, 2019, 06:25:23 AM
Good Job Isaac, Love it when they start so early and you can tell he's happy and holding interest into model RR. Good for you too!!!
Dennis
Thank you Dennis. I hope he keeps his interest, he sure likes them now.
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 20, 2019, 09:32:38 AM
Looks like great fun. Issac needs a srepstool! :)
Curt
Thank you for following along - we did have a lot of fun. We had three different places where he could get up and look at his train. One of them was Grandma's step stool from up stairs - which got Papa in trouble. I think I'm going to have to go to the hardware store before his next visit. His sister will need a step stool in a couple years.
Quote from: jimmillho on July 20, 2019, 10:43:55 AM
Good job Issac. Don't forget your drink container when you get down. ;D ;D ;D
OH yeah, Nice looking track John.
Jim
Jim
Isaac says thank you. His water glass went with him to each stop along the way. The track work got a good test - one place where I need to do some work.
Quote from: deemery on July 20, 2019, 11:41:33 AM
Very Nice!
(One of these days I need to clean and then try to power my track. :-( )
dave
Dave
Thanks. Having the Grandkids over or the rail gang gets me to clear things off to run trains. I keep telling myself that I'm not going to use the bench work for storage but it still seems to happen.
Quote from: mark dalrymple on July 20, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
Great fun, John!!
Cheers, Mark.
Mark
Thank you for stopping in - yes we had great fun.
Quote from: Janbouli on July 20, 2019, 02:06:14 PM
Fantastic John and great job Isaac.
Jan
Thank you for following along, and Isaac also says thank you.
John, Family is a blessing, Love them while we can................Dennis
Looks great John.
And Isaac seems to have everything under control! ;)
Jerry
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 21, 2019, 08:48:36 AM
John, Family is a blessing, Love them while we can................Dennis
Dennis
Family is the great blessing. I couldn't agree more.
Quote from: Jerry on July 21, 2019, 09:05:58 PM
Looks great John.
And Isaac seems to have everything under control! ;)
Jerry
Jerry
Thank you - and yes he does. It's amazing how fast they learn. I think the trains are a wonderful learning tool - using electronics to control something physical rather than just a picture on a screen.
Isaac did a great job pulling the wires for each of the power districts with his Grandpa this weekend. I showed him once and he just went for it. He is just the right height for the job.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-220719074057.jpeg&hash=b9de48a37db944cb5164849886a588986cf0932b)
Turning the corner to the control panel - the kinks are almost gone.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-220719075058.jpeg&hash=dfb308fb820915ec9f8ba6be13504cc52fe1343f)
That is so cool.Isaac...............
Perfect John, just perfect.
Now we know you couldn't have built this layout all by yourself.
Isn't help great ???
Jim
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 22, 2019, 08:02:01 AM
That is so cool.Isaac...............
Isaac is well on his way to his MMR. He explained to his Dad when he got home how the electricity goes through the wires and tells the locomotive what to do.
Quote from: jimmillho on July 22, 2019, 01:49:56 PM
Perfect John, just perfect.
Now we know you couldn't have built this layout all by yourself.
Isn't help great ???
Jim
Jim
Great help is wonderful!
Looks like you had the right man for the job, John!
Cheers, Mark.
And I don't even see a phone sticking out of his back pocket.. ;D
Quote from: mark dalrymple on July 22, 2019, 07:52:48 PM
Looks like you had the right man for the job, John!
Cheers, Mark.
I sure do.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 22, 2019, 08:54:11 PM
And I don't even see a phone sticking out of his back pocket.. ;D
Good point - I hope we can keep it they way long enough for him to learn useful "marketable" skills.
I started implementing my control panel design, today. I used a cardboard mockup to establish the angle and height for this first one, because it is the tallest. There will be a total of four panels to control all of the turnouts in the Superior Yard. I put together a list of the oak lumber and moldings that I needed to complete them and took a trip to the lumber store this evening. All of the oak will be stained to match the cabinets.
I should have an update, tomorrow.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-230719211618.jpeg&hash=c6632bb2506af64f18afd34cd274a41e55122eba)
John, You building a touchscreen controller? Dennis
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 23, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
John, You building a touchscreen controller? Dennis
Yes Sir.
OMG....................... Can't wait............. ;)
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 23, 2019, 09:48:29 PM
OMG....................... Can't wait............. ;)
You shouldn't have to wait too long. I plan on getting the first one operational this week. We will see how fast it really goes. I have pieces laying everywhere right now.
John I read about a system called Crestron system. But only in RR Magazine's.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 23, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
John I read about a system called Crestron system. But only in RR Magazine's.
Dennis
The system I'm using is Barrett Hill. Here is the website if you want to check it out. I know of a couple guys here on the forum that have used it. If this installation works out well I'm planning to convert the rest of the layout to this system.
http://www.berretthillshop.com (http://www.berretthillshop.com)
John, Thank you very much sir.......Dennis
If you haven't found it yet, check out Mark Dalrymple's Shadowlands and Tellynott build thread. I think it is a great addition to our build threads here on the forum. I will be following along on Mark's build journey. Here is the link:
http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4484.0 (http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4484.0)
I decided to take some pictures to document how I'm putting together the control panels because I haven't seen good information on the internet on installing these touch control systems. I have made a few changes to the instructions available on the Barrett Hill website. So this is the way I decided to do it - for your reference.
Here is a picture of my test setup for the first control panel.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719195733.jpeg&hash=e1c7d12a8cb8b97a26aff6b4a05aad539daadcb3)
I created the track diagrams that will be mounted under the plexiglass using a CAD Package called TurboCAD on my MacBook Pro Computer. I printed two versions of the diagrams with and without the square boxes that represent the touch controls. The touch controls are mounted in a foam board to hold them in place and provided a spacer between the plexiglass and the 1/2 inch plywood back to the control panels.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719195819.jpeg&hash=0d88cba576aa2c932276e9ea9cbaaf480eefb16a)
I used a punch to pierce a hole for the LED light. Barrett Hill recommends letting the LED light shine through the paper but I liked the look with the LED visible.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719202840.jpeg&hash=37f3ac2d0d8de18f11536e9322660e63aca16bb1)
The final piece to the system is the plexiglass. I haven't cut the plexiglass for each panel to size yet so I just laid a piece on top to make sure the touch toggles would be able to sense my touch through the plexiglass. The protective film will be removed as a last step. I have four touch toggles installed in this picture so you can see what the LED lights look like through the protective film.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719195849.jpeg&hash=786c580bd6a43409ea08c7c12f1e30b131559879)
Here is a picture of the plywood backboard with the holes drilled for the wires. It also has the square opening for the track power district control switches.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719200231.jpeg&hash=084143306797c9f52a0c19466e714536d6118c91)
I had to cut a notch in the benchwork for the large bundle of wires for the switch panel.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719200403.jpeg&hash=c0f5af6e7fd8999b09b6282c419ff05801262160)
Here is a final picture for tonight of the control panel starting to go together.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-240719200324.jpeg&hash=70b7f6d7a9857300ca838903e8c557fafe5fc16a)
The labels on the switch panel refer to labeling on the track layout diagrams.
I love it...... Keep the Great work up
john.............Dennis
Sensational, John!
Cheers, Mark.
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 24, 2019, 10:25:01 PM
I love it...... Keep the Great work up
john.............Dennis
Thank you Dennis
Hey John:
Looks like you are moving right along. I'm enjoying the progress shots.
Karl
I love to watch what you are doing and the progress you have made.
John
Quote from: postalkarl on July 25, 2019, 03:27:06 PM
Hey John:
Looks like you are moving right along. I'm enjoying the progress shots.
Karl
Karl
Thank you for following along - more progress pictures to follow.
Quote from: jimmillho on July 25, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
I love to watch what you are doing and the progress you have made.
John
Jim
Thank you for following along.
A few progress pictures of the control panel going together.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-260719153800.jpeg&hash=95ecf4bb3f8247900347d50f83c46f7c88ace0d2)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-260719153830.jpeg&hash=5e0f650410698e25ccb8f464f0232d17354da952)
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-260719153858.jpeg&hash=6786c3727edb3ae921d45eb2f457ffbfa4c18dec)
Prayers for my train buddy Wayne Olson for a fast recovery. I called him this afternoon to see if he could work on the layout tomorrow and was informed he was home recovering from two surgeries to fix a broken hip and femur from a fall off a ladder in his garage. Wayne is 86 so it's more difficult to come back from these types of injures. I told him as soon as the doctors let him I was going to get him back over here to test all the track work in the new section. We will setup a stool in front of the control panel. Get well fast Wayne.
Really nice job on the control panel. Best wishes to your buddy.
Looking good John! How did you mount the touch switch to the back of your schematic?
Quote from: PRR Modeler on July 26, 2019, 03:47:55 PM
Really nice job on the control panel. Best wishes to your buddy.
Thank you, Curt.
Quote from: sdrees on July 26, 2019, 04:23:23 PM
Looking good John! How did you mount the touch switch to the back of your schematic?
Thank you Steve. The schematic is taped to a piece of foam board the thickness of the touch switch. I cut pockets in the foam board to locate the touch switches and then put a piece of tape on the back so they couldn't fall out during construction.
Here is a picture from a little later in the day when I started to fit the oak frame that will surround the control panel.
(https://modelersforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelersforum.com%2Fgallery%2F18-260719174829.jpeg&hash=ce8784c759b7352ec674276c4f7f2be17ab849ce)
The third row of switches is for the phase V expansion - the upper level over the yard. ;)
John, Very nice job................Dennis
Hey John:
Very nicely done so far.
Karl
Quote from: DennisBourey on July 26, 2019, 06:33:56 PM
John, Very nice job................Dennis
Thank you Dennis - tomorrow I need to cut the plexiglass and square everything up in it's final position. Today, I was cutting moldings. I have the pieces cut for the next two panels.
Quote from: postalkarl on July 26, 2019, 06:53:03 PM
Hey John:
Very nicely done so far.
Karl
Thank you Karl - I have a few adjustments to make and then I can put the final touches on it.
John , I probably missed something , but what are the normal switches for on the left ?
Quote from: Janbouli on July 27, 2019, 04:45:49 AM
John , I probably missed something , but what are the normal switches for on the left ?
Jan
They control power to each power district so I can shut down the power a block at a time. It works great for testing and trouble shooting and I can also turn the sound off on locomotives that are not in use. I will be post pictures of the schematic drawings in the next few days. Each power district is represented by a different color.
Quote from: S&S RR on July 27, 2019, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Janbouli on July 27, 2019, 04:45:49 AM
John , I probably missed something , but what are the normal switches for on the left ?
Jan
They control power to each power district so I can shut down the power a block at a time. It works great for testing and trouble shooting and I can also turn the sound off on locomotives that are not in use. I will be post pictures of the schematic drawings in the next few days. Each power district is represented by a different color.
Yep that makes sense.Thanks
Tonight, I will be starting Volume 3 of this build thread. This thread is getting close to the 200 page limit and I don't want to push it. I want to thank everyone for following along. Please see volume 3 for future updates.
Link to volume 3.
http://www.modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4531.0
Link to Volume 1:
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.0 (http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=49.0)
Updated the index on Page 1.
Link to Volume 3:
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=4531.0
Link to Volume 4:
http://modelersforum.com/index.php?topic=5946.msg163250;topicseen#new
All new posts are in volume 4.